WINMIX Reborn67 Retro Inspired Mechanical Keyboard
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 มิ.ย. 2024
- Win Mix sent me this intriguing mechanical keyboard to cover, so let’s unbox it and do just that! It has a rather unique look and a hefty aluminum body so it seemed promising. But then I tried it… and found out the price.
Here’s where they’re sold: winmix.store/products/reborn67
To those asking if Winmix responded to this: yep! Here's an email snippet.
"Thank you for sharing your opinions. It is interesting to hear totally different opinions from people who are not into mechanical keyboards.
A super flex plate is considered good in the keyboard community. A springy plate and soft bottom-up keypress are also what most, if not all, keyboard reviewers look for in their reviews.
Your opinion is valuable for those who are not into the mechanical keyboard community, though, and that's what I wanted to hear from you. I hope there will be other opportunities to collaborate with you [...]. Again, I appreciate your honest opinions, as well as accepting the review request in the first place."
😂
I'm more into mechanical keyboards than I'd like to admit and... no, just no. Yes some people like to soften the blow a little with gaskets and maybe a little flex in the plate material, but not to this "typing on a throw pillow" level of squish.
That's certainly an interesting tone for them to take. Nothing plainly hostile in there but this could fairly easily be boiled down to "you're not into mechanical keyboards so you wouldn't get it" by anyone feeling even slightly uncharitable.
That section about plate flex being considered good and something reviewers care about is also an awkward half-truth at best on top of being a strange thing to make blanket statements about. It's something quite a small but vocal minority particularly value, but even in those cases it's generally to extents pretty far below the genuine extreme they've taken it to with this board.
Weird vibes I don't much care for as someone who's been a passionate long-time member of the community they seem to think they're speaking for.
SInce when is LGR "not into mechanical keyboards"?
"Dude, we bought a good review, why didn't you give us a good review? It must be because you aren't into keyboards."
I'm so glad to know that even when given a free product, you're brutally honest about the good and the bad.
It's called integrity. Not many people have it any more. It's nice to see some people still do.
The "Don't Waste Your Money" key reminds me of the "Get me off this show before I kill myself" button on one of the bridge computer panels in Star Trek: Voyager. (I completely forget which documentary it was though which pointed that out.)
Some disgruntled employee told his boss he would take care of promoting the new keyboard, that he new the perfect keyboard "influencer".
Knowing how honest Clint's review would be as a sweet send of he printed up that keycap and sent it away for review.
@@HappyMinds1 This was my thought too when he showed that
Either that or change it out for the 'Any' key, LOL! (I've seen that before somewhere!).
Props for being honest when receiving something expensive for free.
$500 and it flexes like that?!?!? That is completely insane.
Modern sensibility keyboard nerds love flex apparently.
I'll take a steel/aluminum plate TBH. Tho I don't think this kit has stiffer plates available. Usually these kits come with options and not just the plastic plate with maximum flex cutouts.
@thumbwarriordx
The keyboard should never flex unless it's made out of cheap crap imo, I don't understand how this wouldn't effect accuracy
@@mustangmckraken1150 Yeah there's no accounting for taste but some people really love the flex, and they're very loud so the market is listening.
IMO get loud from the other side, maybe they'll realize it's not so cut and dry.
Ironically it's not super cheap to machine out all the extra flex cuts, a solid plate of the same material would be cheaper to make.
@@thumbwarriordx It's not like everyone loves flex, it's just an option that is there. The bouncy typing feeling appeals to a lot of people so it's there as an option, and hard boards are also there. I personally like a bouncy experience myself (bonus points if it thoccs), it's some extra feedback and makes typing more fun. With that in mind, this board in the video isn't that. It's way too much and it's different from a bouncy gasket-mount that people enjoy.
@@mustangmckraken1150 Just read into it more please.
This is the keyboard equivalent of those modern cassette players that are designed to look retro but are actually just the cheapest mechanism in a metal case
It's actually not cheap. You can see all the slots they cut into the board to make it flex like that. A lot of extra machining time, and thus cost, went into making sure it feels as rubbery as a Spectrum.
@@CptJistuce Coulda fooled me. In fact if their goal was to fool me, they nailed it.
@@rzeka I'm not saying it isn't flimsy garbage. I'm saying that there are cheap ways to make garbage, and very expensive ways to make garbage. They chose the very expensive way.
It is also hilarious that they made a friggin' metal ingot for a case, then worked very hard making sure it still bent more than a gymnast.
I've never seen a keyboard created by a trampoline designer before.
Maybe it's an "air gasket?"
The flex of that board makes me physically ill.
I saw all the comments about flexing as the vid started so I thought I was ready for it.
Then he pressed it. ☠️
That keyboard is for people who like to sleep on waterbeds.
Try it before you knock it
@@nickthaskater {breaks the pcb with a single keypress}
@@fus132 if you'd ever actually used a flexible PCB like this you'd know that it doesn't break. You can press it into the bottom of the case as hard as you like and it won't break.
I got seasick watching that keyboard flexing
I'm actually so confused by the "Don't waste your money" key. What on earth was their thought process on adding that?
Talking about retro-themed keyboards, 8bitdo made a mechanical board with a retro theme for a lot less with higher overall quality.
I have one of those, the Famicom/NES version. It is surprisingly great for the price!
@@LGRBlerbs I really love the two silly big red buttons (play and pause for me) too.
They just put out a C64 themed version that is gorgeous looking IMO. Also a separate numpad with an integrated calculator.
I have the Famicom one. I had to write a utility to configure it in Linux though because the "A" and "B" modifiers aren't mapped to windows key and menu key by default annoyingly... and the windows utility kinda sucks.
I have (and I'm typing on it currently) the C64 version and it's the best keyboard I've owned in a long time. Just enough click and feedback to make it beautiful to type on without being *loud*, the ergonomics are good, and it just feels nice. I just retired my K70 to use this instead lol. I also have the matching numpad on pre-order.
I’m sorry but there no way that’s anywhere near the quality for that asking price, $500 USD = $750 AUD, Plus $150 AUD for the arm rest, $900 ! There trying to take the Mickey on this one.
I'll stick to my Logitech.
For that price you can get a Model F, which is an actual recreation of an old keyboard lol
Every time that wrist rest clangs against the desk, I think, this has to be just a spare part meant for something else. You wouldn't want that scraping around a wood surface.
It vaguely sounds like that "metal pipe falling" sound effect people use in memes lol. Unsurprising, since it's metal, but still kinda funny since that sound effect could be the best way to represent this keyboard in general.
1950's baseboard heater parts used to make the wrist rest. My carpel tunnel feel worse already.
So they just painted random colored rectangles on some keys? It's all so weirdly surface-level, as if some marketing guy watched a couple of videos from mechanical keyboard nerds and made a list of keywords that are going to appeal to them without actually understanding anything. So they like these weird expensive switches, check. Case made of metal, check. Shaped vaguely like an old computer? Uh... maybe our concept artist can throw together something that looks like a cross of an NES and a Commodore 64 in 15 minutes. Weird labels on the keys I can't understand? They probably don't mean anything, let's just silkscreen some shapes on there. Some of these Japanese keyboards have two space bars, I don't know what that's about. Let's cut a notch in a normal-sized one, just to be safe.
welcome to the AI era
Don't forget the two gaudy knobs that make it look like a recolored Fisher-Price toy.
@@Blackadder75 Bingo. It's covered in shapes and symbols that almost look like they *should* make sense, but just don't. The binary codes on the keycaps might have been actually useful to retro nerds if they represented either ascii codes, or the hex nybble (i.e 0000 to 1111 on keys 0 -9, A-F). But, alas, they do not.
The name “Toshi” made me think of Star Wars and that’s almost what this seems like, a movie prop
"I saw 2001: A Space Odyssey, I got this."
Lol the ending is perfect 😅
DON’T WASTE YOUR MONEY😂
$500 + that much board flex = not a chance in heck I would buy this
The typography for the Reborn logo is giving me waking nightmares.
Feels like someone made a stencil font without learning why stencils exist. Also, making the B look like an E in a word that has a normal E before the B...
I bought the 8bitdo NES keyboard for around 100 quid with accessories and I love it, it's full of great features and will use it until i, or it dies, which ever comes first. There is nothing a keyboard can offer to justify a $500 dollar price tag for me.
I recently bought one of those too!(... and the FC version. I couldn't choose just one.)
And then I swapped all the key switches out. I like heavier switches. The board it is replacing used mx blacks, and on the 8bitdo I was bottoming out every keystroke(and also the click sounded awful, if I can't get a solid typewriter sound then don't bother with the noise).
Wow, it's like typing in a dish of Jello
Typing in a bowl of jello sounds like a great video idea
Probably for a different channel though
@@jeff8383 It's like making love on a water bed. It sounds great but it's really not that great.
They're out of their minds with that price point.
Custom keyboards, especially expensive ones, are built with multiple options for gaskets and with plate cuts for that flex. Even with Keychron only the first ones are case mounted, while the Pro, Max and budget V max boards have a more flexy plate and gaskets
Good gravy that deck flex is just unacceptable
Many mechanical keyboard enthusiasts actually prefer some flex. Many enthusias-level PCBs have dedicated cuts in them to enable more flex and higher-end mounting styles such as gasket mount also allow for more flex compared to very stiff tray mounts usually found in low-cost boards.
edit: Okay, I typed this comment too early. That's certainly too much flex :D
Nerds think a rubber gasket is premium lol @@NMZS
I agree, the flexing is strange. Maybe it's so you can lie your head down on the keyboard and take a nap?
bizarrely some people like keyboard flex so some exotic keyboards come like this. The remedy is to find something that provides a solid backplate.
Keychron for life. Heavy AND well made.
I love that Q1. I keep trying all kinds of new boards that might possibly suit my needs and preferences better, but so far none have supplanted it.
Perhaps the Q1 Pro or V2 will, I haven't tried those yet 😁
@@LGRBlerbs I have the Knob version of the Q6 and it's easily the nicest and best keyboard I have ever used.
I have the Black Q6 (Knob) myself, with their Black Double-Shot keycaps. It really feels like the last keyboard i'll ever need. I went with Cherry MX Silent Red switches with custom bottoming out 50g springs and lubbed all of them by hand.
I do hope this is a prototype and not the final product. Because man, all it really has going for it is aesthetics at the moment. And I do hope that the company who sent this takes the feedback and improves the product more.
oh, a metal wrist rest with sharp slits cut on it. DELICIOUS. Also, who would want a small factor sized kb with those humongous bezels??
With all the cuts in the pcb and the level of detail one would assume that it is intentional, does people in the comments not think before typing.
Anyways it's a flex keyboard PCB which itself is gasket mounted(entire pcb,switch and caps are suspended with rubber gasket inside) in the chassis. The beauty of custom stuff is if you don't like then just change the pcb or get a rigid keyboard like what LGR likes.
Edit- wrote it a little early, 500 is too much and aesthetics and layout aside It doesn't have functional knobs.
Thanks for the review, I love when you review keyboards! I'm not exactly a fan of all the flex-cuts and super flexy plates without structural support that I'm seeing in a lot of mechanical boards these days- but that flex is absurd. I recently grabbed a Class80 that definitely scratched the retro-inspired itch for me. It has a toggleable buzzer and solenoid with some pretty sturdy construction.
Not a keyboard guy exactly, but I know that the flex is something that (some) people like. You can tell by the cuts in the top plate(?) thingy around every key that the flex is engineered in. I'm forgetting the word for it but veritasium made a whole video about it. But yeah that amount of flex is wild. I bought a Keychron Q-whatever and the top plate thingy is foam mounted so the whole deck has a little bit of flex, but it's uniform across the board. The Reborn67 looks like basically every key is in it's own flex zone (I'm just making up terms now) so the whole thing doesn't flex evenly which seems like not something I'd like, at all. I'm sure it's the perfect keyboard for someone, but I feel like they made a very niche keyboard in an already very niche market.
I had to catch myself, for a moment I thought you had uploaded a WinMX retrospective first thing in the morning.
Accidentally called it WinMX while recording the video too, haha
I got way too excited for a moment
Guess I'm a weirdo, I actually love the "bubble wrap" sound this thing makes and the custom design decisions. Also, some people find the flex plate more comfortable to type on. It's supposed to make the "bottoming out" more pleasant to type on, I've never tried one though.
Some people: if the circuit board flexes, it doesn't feel bad to bottom out.
Me: Why are you bottoming out? Get heavier switches! MX Black is the lightest tolerable switch!
This looks awesome! The operative word being "looks". "Don't waste your money" indeed!
I'd be kinda tempted to try the 70's-style shiny keycaps, and I love that the letter keys have the binary on them that corresponds to that letter's position in the alphabet (since that's also what the ASCII codes are based off of). You could basically instantly reference it for translating short bits instead of having to work it out or use a tool.
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For anyone in Today's Lucky 10,000: What I meant by the letter position/ASCII code thing is that ASCII arranges things so that the capital letters start with A at position 65 and lowercase a at 97. This isn't arbitrary, it actually makes it simple to convert, because that means capital letters are 64 + letter position, and lowercase numbers are 96 + letter position. 64 is 01000000 and 96 is 01100000 (being 64+32). So since the keys have things like 00101 (5) for E (5th letter of the alphabet), or 10011 (19) for S (19th letter of the alphabet), you could basically combine them.
010 00101 (69) is E
011 00101 (101) is e
010 10011 (83) is S
011 10011 (115) is s, and so on.
So you can also go from uppercase to lowercase, or vice versa, by just adding or subtracting 32. They're all just one bit apart! And now you know how ASCII text works!
Anything that doesn't start with 010 or 011, or starts with those but the last part isn't between 1-26, means it's not a letter. Could be punctuation, like:
Space is 00100000 (32)
Comma is 00101011 (43)
Period is 00101110 (46)
Underscore is 01011111 (95)
Tilde (~) is 01111101 (125), and so on.
Look up an ASCII chart for more information! Or just open up Notepad/something similar, and experiment. Hold down the ALT key, and type numbers with the number pad. When you let go of ALT, you'll get a character! Try any of the ones above, or go wild! Some of my favorites include 130 (é - Now you can spell Pokémon correctly.) and 147 (ô - I like to use this one for a "raised eyebrow" face: ô.o) Though, the numpad bit's a little old, and now that so many things use Unicode, it can be a little strange. Like, some of these might only work on certain code pages, or certain languages.
It's easy once you know the trick! Everything is just numbers, when you get down to it. Aren't computers great? ^_^ (And ^_^ is 94-95-94, or 01011111 01011110 01011111.)
Wow what a dumb product. That amount of weight, but still flexes like cooked spaghetti...
"It's supposed to be shit!"
@@Lemon_Inspector Unironically, a very loud minority of keyboard enthusiasts love flex.
Normally the rest of us don't get left out cuz kits this expensive usually have a metal plate, and a plastic/composite plate available cuz this is not to everyone's taste.
@@thumbwarriordxFlex is oddly desired by some. It is the same sort that does not like clicky keys.
probably chinese brand
@@RocketboyX And these people speak a different language. They have their own jargon, they use weird adjectives and apparently know what they mean.
Not all keyboard nerds are plugged into the reddit hivemind.
Begging these keebmakers to do some market research outside of reddit lol
I love my mechanical keyboards, but I would never ever want a keyboard that flexes that much. I want it sturdy, so saying it is "considered good in the keyboard community", well, I doubt it.
That looks solid, I hope it doesn't fall on your foot.
Thanks for the heads up on what not to buy! This is absurd.
Whose idea was that metal wrist rest? Whose idea was any of this
Cheese grated wrists, a delicacy!
I like honest review.. Good job!
WAUW! This has to be the most ridget and flexible keyboard at the same time 😅 Do like the color scheme.
That wrist rest is an extra $100.
I got one for free because it fell out of someone's AC unit.
this is the "omg so retro" of enthusiast keyboards
love the idea loathe the execution i have been looking for a Sinclair QL style key board for my PC
For some reason many modern keyboard enthusiasts like flexible mounting plate and "gasket mounts" but with super heavy metal chassis (and many openly despise clicky switches).
Frankly I'm fine with a plastic chassis but with solid metal mounting plates, I have a Keychron K10 Pro and an old CM Storm quickfire full size on two different machines that don't flex at all and that's how I like it. It's sort of weird when the best keyboard of a manifacturer has "bonus features" that are actually a turn-off like a flexible polimer switch plate.
With a PCB that mushy, I'm surprised it's not marketed as an official Kirby keyboard.
Sounds like that 500 dollars is towards all the metal bits and they cheaped out on the rest minus the key switches, Ive heard theyre alright.
I swear everything about keyboard market research right now says the flex is a feature.
It's popular, people like it, keyboard reviewers show it off like it's a good thing.
But it's a massively polarizing matter of taste. and the plate is a small component that should have alternates available but I don't think this one has a stiffer option ATM
Perhaps it is made from melted-down coins? Hence the 500 dollar price tag? This is how many needed to make the case...? Sorry, I had to do it. (This comment is meant to be amusing and is not meant to offend or upset anyone. It is a personal comment not meant to be taken seriously!). I feel this one needed a disclaimer of sorts?
The circuit board is actually MORE expensive than one with structural integrity.
Thanks for the Blerb.
The keycap at the end of the video says it all! LMAO!
Keycap design looks like what AI would do. Random shapes and stuff without any logic. And the oddities of the case too, it just does not make sense. The plate is cut in such a way that it bends as you type, which is odd because it is gasket mounted. Gasket mount already softens the feel of the typing but with a flex plate it's just too much.
The keycaps are indeed not great - they're Chinese specials. They are decently finished but plagued by the idiosyncrasies of culture and language differences. FWIW, they are not directly related to this board, they were apparently just included alongside it.
As for the flex, gaskets and flexible cuts accomplish different objectives and can be complimentary. I daily a board that's gasket mounted and plateless with flex cuts. It's super comfortable and enjoyable to type on.
the pricepoint is nuts!!
gotta say you got me back into mechanical keyboards. logitech k845 is what i rock nowadays. but it is sooo good for 90s gaming.
Nice!
i find it really funny, even as someone who likes mechanical keyboards as they are now with the linear/tactile switches and such, how divorced the idea of mechanical keyboards has become from the original retrocomputing-enthusiast-focused ideal, where everyone wanted nice, satisfyingly clicky switches like box jades/Navys because that was how old keyboards sounded!
i still have something with nice, loudly clicky Alps switches on my keyboard "bucket list" as it were...
First really negative review I've seen from LGR : )
Refreshing to see someone bounce as hard off of current mechanical keyboard trends as I did. The tiny layout, intentional mushy flexy feeling, linear switches, just not for me.
Beautiful case though. If i had a ton of money burning a hole in my pocket i'd hope they make an 1800 or something,
All that crappiness for $600 (Keyboard and wrist-rest....no function keys)....no thanks!!!
Some people swear by the 5-row keyboard.
And it's not consistent with who the fans are, Gamers like it and massive programming nerds also like it.
But if you do 3D, edit video, audio, do production... One of your hands is on the mouse, not positioned to be pressing Fn nonstop for your F-keys. I'd take the 75 key layout every time.
@@thumbwarriordx Function keys are used in a lot of games so I don't see how gamers would like it.
@@thumbwarriordx it's literally the same size as something like a tlk or a 75 yet it's so fucking massive for a 60% it's not even practical
All that metal work and they didn't think to do the same for the switch mount, what an odd choice.
the flex is deliberate.
@@Schule04 So you are saying it is supposed to be sh*t?
@@sagichnicht6748 Deck flex is something keyboard enthusiasts like to have
@@sagichnicht6748 Yup. But like most "diy" mech keyboards, it's not actually meant to be used. It's meant to be displayed on shelves of people who lack creativity.
@@Schule04 Well I guess there are more destructive and dangerous ways, to oneself or others, to waste ones money. So who am I to judge.
Looking for something to chill to. Lil cheeky Blerb pops up. Thank you youtube gods.
With that amount of flex consistently across the whole board, you'd think it was intentional
I bet it is - you can see the flex cuts in the plate very clearly, and I bet the PCB has them as well with that level of flex. Some keyboard enthusiasts love flex for a softer typing experience and it appears they took that to the extreme here.
enthusiasts/psychopaths
It is intentional
@@_PGleo86 This. There seems to be a trend towards a specific subset of "enthusiasts" that are obsessed with extreme flex now. They're largely a separate group from the people who like retro feeling keyboards though which makes me question who this product is actually for. I guess just people who want the retro aesthetic only?
Had them working on that Deck/Patio, I see! 😁👍
You need this on the Heart Of Gold just in case you're feeling like a sofa.
WOW that's a lot of $$$ the flex was disturbing. Really, really nice looking key caps though, that takes me back.
I love the metal and the retro styling, but man... That flex is a no-go. At that price, it needs to be PERFECT....Or reasonably close to it. I feel like the inclusion of function keys wouldn't have interfered with the styling either.
Looks cool, but not $500 cool. I will take a hard pass on this one! Thanks for reviewing this one Clint! I really enjoyed the video!
It's so weird to me how flex has become desirable among high-end keyboards in the last few years. Flex cuts and gasket mounts exist to try and add as much flex as possible, and rigid plates are seen as "cheap" now.
I guess the notion is that flexible boards are less fatiguing over a long period of time, but that strikes me as something far better solved at the switch level if it's an issue at all (and I doubt it actually is).
Fads are gonna fad I suppose, and keyboards are definitely at the point where the high-end market has to invent SOMETHING to create demand since durable keyboards are otherwise a solved problem.
Yay, more blerbs ❤
The flex you felt is a "wanted" (yeah no idea either) feature these days in mechanical keyboard scene they say it's "more satisfying" even though I'd say a hard bottom out feels way better
I'd say both are bad. Super-light switches that make it almost impossible to activate without bottoming out suck, and the whole assembly bending like a five-dollar keyboard to absorb the crash is a terrible way to fix the problem.
My answer? MX Black.
In 2022 I bought a gaming keyboard for about a dollar on Black Friday, really cheap plastic and it has no weight to it, but still it flexes less than this 500$ thing. 🤯
Today I learned that the minimum number of rows for a usable keyboard is 6.
I've never seen a keyboard bend like soft rubber before (unless it was made by soft rubber)
It comes with its own cattle guard 😂😂
The 8bitdo retro mechanical keyboard is definitely worth a look.
Great functionality: Wired, 2.4gz wireless, Bluetooth Wireless, Rechargable.
And great quality. What you get, for the price, is pretty impressive.
Hi Clint. Good review, bad keyboard! :) I was having a look at another review of the same keyboard and apparently that keyboard flex is an intentional design. The flex is designed as a "shock absorber" for when you press down on the keys. No amount of flex will absorb my shock at how terrible that feature is. UUGGHHH I agree with you mate, absolutely horrible.
That price is insane!! I am pretty hard on my keyboards so I never spend huge amounts, I got a Ajazz AK820 pro for about £50 and im loving it so far even the keycaps are very nice.
Oh my god they put the little default Substance Painter brush looking doodads you see all over the cars in Cyberpunk 2077 on the back.
I've never seen one that existed in the real world and was solid, and this keyboard has four.
I don't even play CP, and know that brush. Still using pre Adobe Cloud versions.
@@d.r.1402 I've looked into it and the ones in substance painter are not identical.
For some reason every in-house asset library on earth has its own version of the same little doodads.
It is a mystery that will either never be explained... or which would drive you mad if you ever knew the truth.
I'm not a keyboard guy (I use a Logitech MX Master) but I like looking at them, usually with bewilderment. I've never tried to install keycaps on a pillow before, but I imagine it would work a lot like this.
Wow, even my noname plastic keyboard I got for free with a cheap case doesn't flex like this 👀
I asked for a flexible keyboard, but I just meant one that works with AT, PS2, and USB protocols.
Heh
what has the company said in response to the video? I’m dying to hear them defend their choices.
"Please send our keyboard back."
They said Clint's just not that into keyboards.
Well, I'm happy for two Blerb videos from you in such a small amount of time. Obviously bad keyboard. Kinda wonder if a support bracket was missing or something?
That flex is wild. You should take it apart and see if the weight is the construction, or if they just added weights to make it feel more premium?
The VIA support may be coming to the official VIA release in an update.
I've done a little keyboard development. In the mean time there'll be a JSON file you can sideload into VIA dev mode to get it to talk to the keeb. If they've got a support contact they should hook you up with that.
I will never understand this desire to make keyboards smaller and smaller with less functionality... I need a full size keyboard at pretty much every setup I use. I don't even like tenkeyless but no F keys would drive me BONKERS. I am building my first keyboard soon but I went with the Monsgeek M5 because I need that fullsize layout :p
without the wobbling it would be a killer product... i love the looks and the metal chasis!!
The flex is intentional. Looking at the extra plate it's full of flex cutouts which is definitely not for everybody. I would imagine the PCB also has its own flex cutouts based on the amount of flex in the video.
$250 and its a buy cause its unique. Have they looked at the keyboard market budget is winning the race.
My excitement dumped multiple times in this video, key points...... not a full keyboard, and the bow in the switch cradle or whatever, it's so bouncy, you can make a bouncy castle on it. Very sad
FIVE HUNDRED dollars?!
Suddenly I don't feel so bad about continuing to use cheapo Logitech K120s for 15+ years.
The positive side is if the people at Toshi Industrial Design wanted a cyberpunk aesthetic in the packaging of their products and in the company's name, congratulations, they nailed it.
I think I'll stick with a Ducky fitted with MX Greens or Unicomp Spacesaver M, thanks. Nice sturdy *clicky* things that don't have a deranged price tag.
Also, those both have function keys.
If I'm forking out $500 for a keyboard and it flexed like that I would be livid and returning it so fast.
Ready for a WinMX retrospective! Went to that after p2p napster died
Peer to peer idea sharing is alive and well in 2024.
@@excrono I know, I didn't say p2p died, just the old napster client.
@@colinstu In should confirm the passage of an idea from person to person.
Woof that's some flex. And $500? Makes my £190 spend on a Wooting Two HE and keycaps seem cheap in comparison!
Extreme board flex: for people too proud to admit they prefer the feel of silicone dome switches.
I hope this doesn’t dissuade WINMIX from continuing to develop a product. They’re onto something, even if this is a full miss. I really like the lifetime build idea.
This has to be a prototype demo unit. It's missing so many basic features. 0.o
Any chance you will be checking out the IBM Model M inspired keyboard by 8BitDo?
I have one preordered!
I love a good amount of flex in my keyboards, I even have one that makes this look stiff, but it really is a preference thing. That's the joy of custom keyboards. You can have one you like that feels like a rock and I can have something that bounces. I have my fair share of sturdy keyboards as well. It's the joys of having so much variety in the hobby now.
ok winmix
@@philp7353?
I am really into retro-keyboards. This was an absolutely brutal review. Respect to you and certainly also to the vendor for agreeing to all this. Maybe they will fix some of the problems. I actually sort of like the style.
They can fix it with additional plate accessories for people who don't like it...
But tbh... $500... there was a spare plate in the packaging but it's just another copy with all the flex cutouts.
I think the second plate should at least be another plastic one with no flex cuts. An aluminum plate would certainly eliminate the flex.
@@thumbwarriordx agreed, the price is really steep. But I certainly like the style of those key caps. I still agree with LGR that they have too many symbols on them. I am actually by pure coincidence very happy with the very same Keychron keyboard Clint uses. I clearly recommend the Q1.
Seems like I blind bought the best of these retro and recreation keyboards (8bitdo Nintendo kb and New Model F). Any further blind buying before release isn't worth it when they're phoning in the fundamental factors like rigidity. The online manual is the polar opposite of the New Model F which came with an old style font printed manual. edit: I mention the online manual because I think the ephemeral nature of online documentation reflects how long the manufacturer expects this to last.
Although I've never considered myself a keyboard snob, I like a good keyboard. Not even just one kind of keyboard, or one kind of switch. Just as long as it has a subjective "good action", I'm good. That FLEX THOUGH! 😲 I've used a lot of terrible keyboards at work and others' houses in my life, simply because "that's what's in front of me", and I don't think I've ever used a keyboard that flexed like that! It's like watching some kind of educational simulation of a building with internal supports removed or something... it's just... WRONG. Why?!