Riding 1/18th of an electric semi!! Chooch got me into riding, he would come on esk8 rides and I bought my first wheel, a 67v ACM, from him. We used to hang out, he was a really cool dude. Just started completely ignoring me a few years ago
I wonder if the fact that it has a progressive suspension (gradually building resistance as it's loaded with pressure) is meant to compensate for it's lack of travel I imagine you could set this up as a super stiff ride fairly easily for bigger drops and not have to worry about bottoming out as much
Yes, That does seem to be the case. I may have unintentionally overstated the suspension travel gripe, There really doesn't appear to be anything major wrong with it. I just believe that for something marketed as a trail wheel specifically, it should have further travel distance capability.
@@WheelGoodTime yeah Im not an expert on the subject so idk. It could be something like that extra 40cm being enough to cause rebounding from a highly tensioned spring at the end of it's travel causes the EUC to turn into a catapult but I'm just using my imagination here tho😅 I do wish I could see some better pictures of the thing without its plastic panels I'd like to know where the majority of the mass is, if there's pieces in high impact points that could be prone to getting bent/broken and will the plastic fairings be enough to hold up to prevent that. I would like to see some fiberglass shells become standard accessories for these things. I wear a helmet to protect my meaty computational bit i believe it should as well. One way or another I suppose the thing should sell well as long as its not cutting out or burning people's houses down those tend to be the sort of things people hold onto
Personally I love the looks, very ergonomical. Also like they put the weight in motor and battery + save weight on shells as replaceable plastics. Thank you for the video!
Good point - as long as the plastic isnt too expensive to replace after a crash, it may very well be a good sacrificial layer that protects the rest of the wheel's structure. 😊
My guess is with they want the off-road wheels to look kind of like a dirt bike. Plastic might look dingy but it looks like it comes off with the batteries. I have a v12 with almost 3000 miles and the thing is bullet proof so I’ll still have a tough time justifying the adventure but personally I wouldn’t put my money anywhere else but InMotion
I would pre-order the v14 right now... but it's 70 kph max speed doesn't offer enough headroom 😢 Make it 80+ and I'm sold! most riders on online forums seem to agree 70 for headroom reasons isn't enough. Patton, extreme, command mini etc all do 80+
There is talk happening right now to potentially increase the speed limit to 80+ *AND* it will likely now have 50S batteries. This is huge, if it happens! Keep your ear to the ground 😁
I only ordered it because the V11 requires tools just to change the suspension air and I can't get to the tire's bent valve to place air in it. This one looks like those issues are eliminated.
For sure. Safety is something they did best. And don't forget - in a way, their progressive shock should make up for the 85mm of suspension travel. IN THEORY.
I mean, a full meter dead drop with a 200lb rider won't bottom it out, so what are you concerned about? The spring isn't linear, and instead of focusing on an improvement that will (and SHOULD) likely become the industry standard, people want to complain about something that the change obviously is made to address (suspension travel) not being enough. Enough for WHAT? How far do you normally dead-drop when riding? How many other suspension wheels can drop straight down that far with 200lbs on it without bottoming out? MAYBE one, and certainly not many that have "more travel."
@@sammysokosammysoko Exactly what I was thinking! Chooch rode his Begode Extreme in his first TH-cam video of that wheel, and even though the Extreme has a full 120mm (or something like that) of suspension travel, he said it was still bottoming out with the slightest bumps downhill - meaning nothing major for the wheel to handle! If this is the first progressive shock in the industry, it ought to be crazy good. If the marketing department of the Inmotion Adventure is true to their words, there is literally nothing that comes even close to this. Though, the only confusion I have for the progressive shock is why the spring constant is lower near the top of the progressive shock and not the other way around. Still, it should do the flipping job.
Disagree on the design. I think is one of the most beutiful wheels to day. It looks like an actual consumer product, not a hobbist techy half made lab product, like the rest of the wheels out there. Inmotion always designs wheels that look nice for the masses.
The looks of an EUC is so subjective. I like the garage project tech mean looks of Begode wheels myself and think Inmotion and Kingsong, mostly the s19 look like cheap toys.
I'm cautiously optimistic about this wheel. The things that get me really excited are the fact that they are actively trying to make this EUC easy to maintain. It's insane how hard it is to change a battery or tire in most other EUC's. I also like that they are returning to smaller wheels. Those of us that use EUC's for commuting have been sorely lacking in good options with high levels of waterproofing. The IPX6 rating is awesome, and will make all-weather commuting a much less worrisome experience. I totally agree with a lot of the downsides. The amount of plastic is disconcerting. The V11 is known to shatter into a billion pieces in high speed crashes, and I worry that an even more capable wheel like this would do even worse. I would loved to have seen a more tanky casing like the Patton. The suspension travel doesn't bother me too much because I'd use it for commuting, and if I wanted to use it for off-road I could get an after-market shock, but I agree it's goofy that it doesn't come with better suspension out of the box. The early bird pricing is great for this EUC I think. I wouldn't pay $4k, but $3k is a fair price for sure.
@@Blox117 I can only hope the lower prices are an indication of the direction EUC's are headed. I can't see myself ever dolling out $4k for an EUC or scooter. Most of the $4k scooters don't sell, and I'm guessing the EUC's aren't much different, so maybe the companies are realizing that $2-3k is the limit.
@@Blox117 we’ve all got to remember the 25% tariffs placed on electronics from China during the last administration, and continued through now. So, even with deceased sales volume, the innovation coming from all manufacturers is fair. KS took (on average) $500 off the price of their suspension wheels by removing quality and giving us lights and speakers instead of quality; and although I think sales will be slightly boosted by their clownish wheels, this design will ultimately betray serious enthusiasts and poison the KS brand for years to come. Without tariffs, the $3300 Adventure could possibly cost about $2650 without harming profit margins, and sales might increase slightly. This means that the wholesale cost from the manufacturer (including profits) is about $1350, which could be as little as $700 for materials and labor. (Assuming standard markups). It’s for this reason why we see low quality air shocks on Begode’s wheels and either hydraulic suspension or linkage suspension but not both. Also, accessories like pads, pedals, fairings, speakers and seats are supplied with the barely acceptable options (like cast pedals without removable spikes), and these cheaper items help keep costs lower, as most people tend to customize and upgrade to aftermarket parts as much as possible. A $3300 IM Adventure could easily exceed $4k with E-rides pedals, a FOX shock or an improved FastAce hydraulic struts, etc. I’m all for lower priced EUCs, and I think it’s possible once the mass market develops for PEVs. But, for now, imagine making a machine that costs the maker only $700 to create, then some wannabe Empire adds another $650 in pre-sales tax just to screw your margins. Personally, I’m only buying used wheels until the war ends, which are a great value when compared to the price of new. Otherwise, if we want lower prices, we got to protest unjust sanctions against all countries… and maybe start manufacturing EUCs domestically.
But that Empire is the reason no bombs drop in NAmerica. 195 nations in this world and only 26 are democracy. The rest are totalitarian regimes with crime and war. So I'll pay the tariff to not have to live in the Middle Ages
not because of bad press due to inherent high speeds, but rather from people cutting out from pushing their EUCs beyond their limits and then blaming their EUC.
@@WheelGoodTime still makes no sense, ppl will cutout any wheel because it's a possibility, this one as well. You're making it seem like chooch has a much greater influence than he really has
I ordered Hou's ningning hypercharger for unrelated reasons a few days ago. It goes up to 18 amps and do it over 2 connectors... I hope the GX connector isn't anything new so that it's supported.
your bias towards begode is very clear here from this an the last video, I too wanted 100mm or more of travel and a high top speed the 43.5 put it similarly to the s22 top speed aka not fast enough but my faith in the extreme is at a low, IDK what to do but give it more time.
Trust me, I have no bias toward Begode. I call it like I see it, and can tell IM has an incredible marketing strategy, but that makes it easy to gloss over other certain issues. I have bought IM before and have experienced firsthand Begode issues and IM issues, and the IM ones are more costly in general. If there is anything that I am biased toward, It would be value. And I definitely see value from before and especially Extreme Bull while increasing their quality over the last couple of years. It puts a sour taste in my mouth wheel IM sells aftermarket things that other companies include in the overall design of their products.
@@WheelGoodTime IDK that chooch video has rocked my preorder and begode extreme confidence, i want something that can go 45 or more and take a beating, and the extreme looks awesome until i worry about it cutting out and breaking because im buying this is Jump, i want airtime and I dont wanna bottom out, tilt back mid air, cut out on my rides, i want a patton dependability with a 100mm or more travel.....im just kinda disappointed with some of these releases
@@saltlife316 I understand your hesitation. It shakes my confidence too a little bit, but since we have photographic proof now (on the screen) that Chooch went 80+ km/h during the cutout, and Ride One cut out at 80 kmh, we now know where "the line" is. God bless those brave souls who leaped across that line, for science! 🤣
The release video also shows 130v remaining in the batteries in their video on the battery management portion of thief app. I agree a bit on the childish aesthetics and non-matching orange all over the wheel. I saw another video where he pointed out that there are 4 orange colors. The 85mm of travel is acceptable, in my opinion, as they use a progressive spring rate. Same sort of thing that happened to motorcycles historically.
It’s cool, but even at the $3300 price point, I’d still get the Commander Mini. A swappable battery (which I’ll never use cuz I don’t buy extras or travel by plane anywhere) and an extra 800 watts in the motor with less speed just isn’t worth the extra $500. I’d rather have an all metal build with high speed like the Mini offers. I’m sure it’ll be a great wheel but I’ll wait till the price goes down before I consider it.
I have the Patton and the Mini, will order the adventure. Also have the S22 pro. Yes, I have a problem. Best wheel? Honestly, nobody can touch the Patton torque and handling at the moment. It is agile and powerful, and you feel it in your bones. For the money though, and on street, I pick the Mini! That thing is a weapon. Can’t turn on a dime or accelerate from stop like the Patton, but it will take you faster in terms of top speed. Like jumps? There is only one, the S22!
@@RogueTravel Leaperkim must have the best engineers in the industry. The Patton has been in the market for quite some time, which usually gives competitors the ability to dissect the tech. It’s amazing that none of the manufactures cracked their code, since their release. This is truly a testament of their genius.
That is likely going to happen! I will possibly get my hands on a pre-production model for video review purposes, courtesy of eWheels. Some of the "issues" that I mentioned may be addressed prior to its release, so it very well might be even better before they release the production model.
It's not that ugly, the orange is getting old, I didn't mind the rim on the v12 but all this extra doesn't give you a blank enough canvus to individualize much, I remember when the s20 came out, sucks if you live in a neighborhood full on crips in LA or something 😂
Did I miss the spot where IM state it has 85mm travel, or are you guessing it at 85mm? I think it would be really good if you stated each time something is your option, we get confused between what is opinion and what is fact from IM, otherwise good video if it wasn’t from your bed room. Well done 👍🏼
Unfortunately I was sent out of the country for work, and an unable to record videos in a better setting. That was actually filmed in a hotel room, where was the quietest location that I could get. My other option is in a cramped, noisy ship or a loud coffee shop 😀 IM didn't specify in their launch video that it would be 85 mm, but they confirmed it unofficially beforehand. Thanks for the feedback!
@@WheelGoodTime thanks for the reply. Yeah I get it, work travel has its benefits and downside. I bet you put a lot of time into your videos, they can take a lot of energy to do, keep at it they are getting better all the time. I really don’t like your click bait like facial expressions on the video cover, it often has me go straight past onto something less wanky, just my opinion tho.
@@scottmorris7320 I don't enjoy doing the facial expressions lol... but it's sadly a necessity. If you put your face onto a thumbnail, it subconsciously draws in a person's eyes to very, very briefly process mentally what is being communicated. I have no intent to ever be clickbait and want to deliver effectively whatever I am trying to convey through a thumbnail without leaving a viewer thinking they got tricked into clicking 😊 I almost had a far more ridiculous facial expression on this thumbnail, but I chickened out and used this one instead 🤣
@@WheelGoodTime hey points to you for being bold, if it works for you great, just saying I usually only watch you less wanky thumbnail videos. This one got me because of the new IM wheel, very keen to learn more about it. I have a S22, T4 and a Patton, this V14 looks like a real competitor to the Patton on trails.
“A bit ugly.”, “Gucci beginner wheel”, “Feels cheap”… I disagree with your opinion. Regarding the price I do agree that any more than the 3300 USD, or the equivalent in EUR, delivered including VAT, would be a deal breaker looking at the competition. I’m also very interested in seeing if there will eventually come a 14” version and the price of it. Will be interesting to view the real reviews coming, I mean when the testing of the actual EUC will start. Always good to get to know both the strengths and weaknesses of any EUC.
Just want them to focus on protecting the bearings from rust. 4 years ago all my wheels were fine in the rain. Protecting the mother boards and batteries is easy from water but with the new hollow bore motors seems like they cannot figure out how to protect the bearings. Yes not having a weak axle is a huge upgrade for safety but they need to fix the rust issue. I hate riding a wheel with rusty bearings. So loud. Just use upgraded bearings or give me an option of paying 300 dollars more for upgraded bearings with a 3 year warranty. Nobody keeps a wheel longer than 3 years. lol
The shorter suspension travel will make the wheel a better option for people looking to travel very quickly down hard pack/gravel roads and with the progressive spring will keep the tire in contact with the ground better than their competitors on those surfaces... in theory anyway. Probably not as good of an option on bumpy/root covered offroad/downhill trails but the 200mm eye to eye setup will allow people to easily swap their suspension to something that matches their riding style/terrain preference and that's a good thing. Eco friendly renewable non-metal is what exactly Inmotion? Did they make this thing outta wood? Samsung 50G/GB is a 21700 battery that looks like it has 50% better max discharge amps then the 50E but with the same capacity; however, there is no consistency between sites on the internet and nobody seems to have these things to sell. Hard to believe this battery is currently competitive in price to mass produced Samsung 40T or maybe even the Molicel p45b but if it is its not a bad option over the 50E.
@@Stan-kj8fq I bought a Begode Extreme coil suspension and I would again because the build quality is finally good, it still has water ingress resistance (but no IP## rating and it has some features that I prefer for my use case. Plus it was cheaper (by a lot) and will show up before winter hits. Almost can't lose buying any of the new 16 inch suspension wheels as each has its advantages.
@@mikko.g I totally agree. The manufacturers have impressed me with their technology deliveries, thus far. The most interesting decision by the manufacturers was to invest their experience into the 16” category. I am assuming this size has been proven to perform best in many environments. What’s your take? I am hoping the sport will evolve enough that the manufacturers will sponsor riders to represent their engineering feats in professional races. That would push the tech narrative, and inevitably make our EUCS better.
Should have at least been a fast as the exn high torque. Imo. Right guys?? That would have made it WAY better. Because we need a water proof exn style wheel!!
Many very good points. Some are slamming the extreme suspension yet I am suspecting they had improper suspension. Everybody is persuing the coil suspension yet the air suspension on the extreme has the least reported issues. I want to like inmotion because of their waterproof and safety. Eucs are all about speed though. Ya adventure is ugly, the extreme does look nicer yet they are very similar. V13 suspension wasnt all that either and the seat was not standard. I can only judge for myself by riding the wheels myself. Very promissing direction though for eucs as a whole.
I believe them for the most part - and they did an incredible job with their marketing for this launch. We just need to read between the lines to see if the hype is justified. 😊 I think it has potential to be a great wheel, as long as the price never ever exceeds $3300 USD lol
Dude, in all fairness this is the first video I've seen of yours. I gotta say though it seems rather biased in that you complained about everything about the wheel and then said lets get into the not so good things about the wheel hahahaha. Considering the offerings from the other companies so far, your definitely going to be in the minority on your feelings about this wheel. When your posting a snippet of Chooch and his crash, I already figured where this video was going.
Thanks for your input. I feel like this wheel has a lot of potential, but I also believe they missed the mark in other ways. IM has a very good way of marketing, and conveniently glossing over their not-so-good aspects, or lying about their wheels, such as potential range and waterproof ratings. Again, this may be the most powerful 16" euc ever. But I have to treat them fairly when they miss the mark too, just as I have treated other EUC companies fairly and excposed issues with their wheels as well.
They literally said in their video that they tested a 1m drop with a 90kg rider and didnt bottom out. Dont know why you didn't mention that part and just kept talking about the travel.
Travel distance is very important. The suspension otherwise looks very nice, but it'll still require a rather stiff setting in order to compensate for the travel distance on bumpy trails. Again - it looks nice, but just not for something marketed as trail wheel.
I don’t see such a huge improvement over the Extreme or Patton to justify the high price. I’m also not a fan of limiting any of the wheels capable performance; I paid for it so I want all of it. Also luv seated riding and agree u won’t be able to on this out of the box like other EUCs. Good review.
There's talk going on right now to potentially increase the top speed to 80 KMH and have 50S batteries included. This is hugely good news, if it happens!
I get its IM interpretation of what offroad suspension should be & that 85mm travel is enough. Maybe but me, I look at other forms of offroad vehicles ie. MTBs, enduro/MX bikes, Jeep types & specialized offroad racing types. Not one touts less suspension travel as a virtue. Indeed all them puahes the opposite. The Extreme has 135mm so its gonna fun to compare both when properly setup for the rider ofcos. I must say the quick disconnect batt packs seems good but then BGs modular batt packs arent exactly difficult to remove either. I do have major concerns with the 70kmh speed limit which seems pretty dumb to me. Speed limits are already available via app so factory preset seems redundant & excessively limiting. Def a big YMMV. Wont comment on looks & other such til its out. But pricing is also gonna be a huge factor. Me, I'm likely gonna be in the Extreme camp for a variety of reasons, not least being that I can purchase for close to 1k less. Say what we want but price is a big deal
After posting this video I discovered that in motion is also extending their factory warranty to two years, but 18 months for the battery packs. Unfortunately now I can't find the source where I found that information 🤣 But that does definitely add significantly to its value and being worth the price. Still I can't justify more than $3300 even with an extended warranty like that. Thanks for your insight!!
@@WheelGoodTime Agreed, maybe 😅. Easy to make paper promises but we'll see when owners spank them hard offroad. There's gonna be plenty dumps & crashes. We'll see how good IM 2yr warranty is. If its fully warrantied with zero issues with claims, then ya, the extra $$$ might be worth it. Until then, all we have is big claims. As in all things, the devil lies in the details esp with insurance of which warranties are.
An 8 volt difference is a big deal eh... you clearly have not tried the Patton and the Extreme (spoiler: the 126v wheel has more torque). I get that you and your 130mm suspension are just trying to make content but a bit more research and/or avoiding the topics you don't know anything about would serve you well
The 8 volt difference is a big deal, but it's pretty apparent that LK hit a home run with the power that they were able to extract from the Patton. I'm aware that the Patton had more torque, prior to the Extreme's 350a max phase current firmware update. I'd like to try both side by side but I'm unable to do so right now. I stand by my stance about being disappointed in the adventure's suspension travel distance. 85mm suspension is also a big deal compared to 130mm, considering the adventure is marketed as a trail wheel. Thanks for the feedback!
@@WheelGoodTime after looking into them more, i think id prefer molicel p45b batts over 50s batts, the 50s batts are only rated to %60 capacity over 250 charge cycles. the 50e is rated for %80 after 500 cycles. The 50s capacity TANKS aproaching 300 charge cycles. while that is all the way to 2.5v, thats still not great. Its a little concerning given i want my wheel to last as long as possible.
@@j_a_a i've heard that the capacity only tanks if you're riding it ultra hard every time. If you are riding like a normal person, then it should last quite a while. I belivee there are no molicel batteries coming out these days because of china's tensions with taiwan, where molicels are made :(
Glad I have an extreme which with its all metal cnc build is far more durable than the v14 (really needed for offroad dedicated wheels especially) that has a lot of plastic in its build, has much longer suspension travel (full 130mm with air shock- just get a third party 200mm spring to take full advantage of full 130mm with coil shock like I did), isn't speed capped at only 43mph and with its low cog and wider 3" rim the extreme probably is more stable/ planted and has more agility (due to low cog)..extreme has better pedals too and better value for money, especially when purchased from Next Gen Mobility..I like that my extreme has a seat too..the modular begode design doesn't make it hard to remove the batteries for shipping on the extreme anyway.. many who had their extremes air shipped had the batteries sent separately so why can't they do the same if they want to fly somewhere with their extreme too? Think it's questionable why inmotion haven't yet disclosed what voltage it runs at.. anything less than 134v these days is a deal breaker too for me
They later disclosed that it'll be 134v :) I agree with your points. The Adventure might be an outstanding performer but I see a lot of drawbacks to it that make it hard to justify their asking price in my opinion.
So all 4 pack is a 30s4p system this kind worries me the absolute peek for the is 14a for 3sec with 30sec rest. 14 x 4 = 56A at 126v full charge so the battery is capable of 7000w for 3 sec max or 5000w constant
@@themadchemist2805 I have a few begodes and if I'm crush back trails away from the road I want something reliable and predictable. And let's say begode leaves a little on the table in this department. I have a sherman s and sure it's not over kill at anything but it's a solid 8 at all things and the build quality is a step or two above begode wheels inmotion has some of the best off the shelf build quality but it also a lot of plastic and they are not very friendly to user modifications.
Its wrong of you to use chooch as an example of a customer who purposely over speeds a wheel to then blame the equipment, begode obviously dont know what they are doing design/QC wise or his wheel wouldn't have been indicating low batt within 10 mins of being fully charged which caused a premature cutout far earlier than could be expected, chooch is no fool and has a lot of experience on euc he knows how to back off when he hears the beeps to avoid a cutout on a wheel which functions properly. What about martys broken leg? Is that another guy just blaming begode when it was actually the rider pushing the wheel too hard?? Of course not.. the problem with this chinese rubbish is that owners are putting their bodies on the line and relying on the cheep chinese electronics/batteries/build quality to keep the wheel upright. On an ebike or escooter if it quits you just roll to a stop. An euc is even more critical than an aircraft, if the power system has a gitch nothing will save you. You go down like a bag of shit. Even a helicopter can autorotate in the event of a power failure but eucs are completely reliant on the motor.
I'd like to see myself as even-handed in my criticism or praise of Begode - I publicly offered my thoughts and criticism of the A2 after the blown board incident, and since we still don't know still exactly why the A2 cut out and broke Marty's ankle, I rescinded my recommendation for that wheel. As far as the extreme cutout is concerned: after much discussion and analysis, he was going far faster than claimed and it was user error rather than equipment failure. That said, I passed up a recommendation to Begode to increase the default PWM safety margin an extra 5-10% via firmware update, to prevent this sort of awful incident from happening again.
I hear a lot of "I'm Guessing....", "I suppose....", "Seems like....", "I think...." So the whole video is you telling us you don't know what you're talking about.... Thanks for your opinions.
Im not getting one until Chooch fails it 🤣
Lol...he can destroy any wheel
Riding 1/18th of an electric semi!!
Chooch got me into riding, he would come on esk8 rides and I bought my first wheel, a 67v ACM, from him. We used to hang out, he was a really cool dude.
Just started completely ignoring me a few years ago
*falls on it
The safest out so right now it gets the win
I wonder if the fact that it has a progressive suspension (gradually building resistance as it's loaded with pressure) is meant to compensate for it's lack of travel I imagine you could set this up as a super stiff ride fairly easily for bigger drops and not have to worry about bottoming out as much
I agree
Yes, That does seem to be the case. I may have unintentionally overstated the suspension travel gripe, There really doesn't appear to be anything major wrong with it. I just believe that for something marketed as a trail wheel specifically, it should have further travel distance capability.
@@WheelGoodTime yeah Im not an expert on the subject so idk. It could be something like that extra 40cm being enough to cause rebounding from a highly tensioned spring at the end of it's travel causes the EUC to turn into a catapult but I'm just using my imagination here tho😅
I do wish I could see some better pictures of the thing without its plastic panels I'd like to know where the majority of the mass is, if there's pieces in high impact points that could be prone to getting bent/broken and will the plastic fairings be enough to hold up to prevent that.
I would like to see some fiberglass shells become standard accessories for these things.
I wear a helmet to protect my meaty computational bit i believe it should as well.
One way or another I suppose the thing should sell well as long as its not cutting out or burning people's houses down those tend to be the sort of things people hold onto
Personally I love the looks, very ergonomical. Also like they put the weight in motor and battery + save weight on shells as replaceable plastics.
Thank you for the video!
Good point - as long as the plastic isnt too expensive to replace after a crash, it may very well be a good sacrificial layer that protects the rest of the wheel's structure. 😊
I always thinked about easily replaceable bumpers that really protects in eucs
My guess is with they want the off-road wheels to look kind of like a dirt bike. Plastic might look dingy but it looks like it comes off with the batteries. I have a v12 with almost 3000 miles and the thing is bullet proof so I’ll still have a tough time justifying the adventure but personally I wouldn’t put my money anywhere else but InMotion
I would pre-order the v14 right now... but it's 70 kph max speed doesn't offer enough headroom 😢 Make it 80+ and I'm sold! most riders on online forums seem to agree 70 for headroom reasons isn't enough.
Patton, extreme, command mini etc all do 80+
There is talk happening right now to potentially increase the speed limit to 80+ *AND* it will likely now have 50S batteries. This is huge, if it happens! Keep your ear to the ground 😁
I only ordered it because the V11 requires tools just to change the suspension air and I can't get to the tire's bent valve to place air in it. This one looks like those issues are eliminated.
Indeed, biggest problem is the 85mm suspension, but the controller still the best and safest so I will go for it
For sure. Safety is something they did best. And don't forget - in a way, their progressive shock should make up for the 85mm of suspension travel. IN THEORY.
I mean, a full meter dead drop with a 200lb rider won't bottom it out, so what are you concerned about? The spring isn't linear, and instead of focusing on an improvement that will (and SHOULD) likely become the industry standard, people want to complain about something that the change obviously is made to address (suspension travel) not being enough.
Enough for WHAT? How far do you normally dead-drop when riding? How many other suspension wheels can drop straight down that far with 200lbs on it without bottoming out? MAYBE one, and certainly not many that have "more travel."
@@sammysokosammysoko Exactly what I was thinking! Chooch rode his Begode Extreme in his first TH-cam video of that wheel, and even though the Extreme has a full 120mm (or something like that) of suspension travel, he said it was still bottoming out with the slightest bumps downhill - meaning nothing major for the wheel to handle! If this is the first progressive shock in the industry, it ought to be crazy good. If the marketing department of the Inmotion Adventure is true to their words, there is literally nothing that comes even close to this.
Though, the only confusion I have for the progressive shock is why the spring constant is lower near the top of the progressive shock and not the other way around.
Still, it should do the flipping job.
Im just happy going off curbs.@@sammysokosammysoko
Disagree on the design. I think is one of the most beutiful wheels to day. It looks like an actual consumer product, not a hobbist techy half made lab product, like the rest of the wheels out there. Inmotion always designs wheels that look nice for the masses.
The looks of an EUC is so subjective. I like the garage project tech mean looks of Begode wheels myself and think Inmotion and Kingsong, mostly the s19 look like cheap toys.
I'm cautiously optimistic about this wheel. The things that get me really excited are the fact that they are actively trying to make this EUC easy to maintain. It's insane how hard it is to change a battery or tire in most other EUC's. I also like that they are returning to smaller wheels. Those of us that use EUC's for commuting have been sorely lacking in good options with high levels of waterproofing. The IPX6 rating is awesome, and will make all-weather commuting a much less worrisome experience.
I totally agree with a lot of the downsides. The amount of plastic is disconcerting. The V11 is known to shatter into a billion pieces in high speed crashes, and I worry that an even more capable wheel like this would do even worse. I would loved to have seen a more tanky casing like the Patton. The suspension travel doesn't bother me too much because I'd use it for commuting, and if I wanted to use it for off-road I could get an after-market shock, but I agree it's goofy that it doesn't come with better suspension out of the box. The early bird pricing is great for this EUC I think. I wouldn't pay $4k, but $3k is a fair price for sure.
3k is not fair, its the "new normal"
@@Blox117 I can only hope the lower prices are an indication of the direction EUC's are headed. I can't see myself ever dolling out $4k for an EUC or scooter. Most of the $4k scooters don't sell, and I'm guessing the EUC's aren't much different, so maybe the companies are realizing that $2-3k is the limit.
@@Blox117 we’ve all got to remember the 25% tariffs placed on electronics from China during the last administration, and continued through now. So, even with deceased sales volume, the innovation coming from all manufacturers is fair. KS took (on average) $500 off the price of their suspension wheels by removing quality and giving us lights and speakers instead of quality; and although I think sales will be slightly boosted by their clownish wheels, this design will ultimately betray serious enthusiasts and poison the KS brand for years to come.
Without tariffs, the $3300 Adventure could possibly cost about $2650 without harming profit margins, and sales might increase slightly. This means that the wholesale cost from the manufacturer (including profits) is about $1350, which could be as little as $700 for materials and labor. (Assuming standard markups). It’s for this reason why we see low quality air shocks on Begode’s wheels and either hydraulic suspension or linkage suspension but not both. Also, accessories like pads, pedals, fairings, speakers and seats are supplied with the barely acceptable options (like cast pedals without removable spikes), and these cheaper items help keep costs lower, as most people tend to customize and upgrade to aftermarket parts as much as possible.
A $3300 IM Adventure could easily exceed $4k with E-rides pedals, a FOX shock or an improved FastAce hydraulic struts, etc.
I’m all for lower priced EUCs, and I think it’s possible once the mass market develops for PEVs. But, for now, imagine making a machine that costs the maker only $700 to create, then some wannabe Empire adds another $650 in pre-sales tax just to screw your margins.
Personally, I’m only buying used wheels until the war ends, which are a great value when compared to the price of new. Otherwise, if we want lower prices, we got to protest unjust sanctions against all countries… and maybe start manufacturing EUCs domestically.
But that Empire is the reason no bombs drop in NAmerica. 195 nations in this world and only 26 are democracy. The rest are totalitarian regimes with crime and war. So I'll pay the tariff to not have to live in the Middle Ages
It’s 134V I heard from someone has the sample.
Glad to hear it!
I hated this breakdown but I'm going to use your affiliate link! Thanks for taking the time and effort.
I appreciate it!! Thanks 😀
Lol 😂
I agree. the v13 goes like 90 right? so it makes total sense they would limit their new wheels because of.. bad press?
yea, makes total sense.
not because of bad press due to inherent high speeds, but rather from people cutting out from pushing their EUCs beyond their limits and then blaming their EUC.
@@WheelGoodTime still makes no sense, ppl will cutout any wheel because it's a possibility, this one as well. You're making it seem like chooch has a much greater influence than he really has
I ordered Hou's ningning hypercharger for unrelated reasons a few days ago. It goes up to 18 amps and do it over 2 connectors... I hope the GX connector isn't anything new so that it's supported.
Knowing Hou, he'll probably make it compatible with the V14 somehow, some way 😊
your bias towards begode is very clear here from this an the last video, I too wanted 100mm or more of travel and a high top speed the 43.5 put it similarly to the s22 top speed aka not fast enough but my faith in the extreme is at a low, IDK what to do but give it more time.
Trust me, I have no bias toward Begode. I call it like I see it, and can tell IM has an incredible marketing strategy, but that makes it easy to gloss over other certain issues. I have bought IM before and have experienced firsthand Begode issues and IM issues, and the IM ones are more costly in general. If there is anything that I am biased toward, It would be value. And I definitely see value from before and especially Extreme Bull while increasing their quality over the last couple of years. It puts a sour taste in my mouth wheel IM sells aftermarket things that other companies include in the overall design of their products.
@@WheelGoodTime IDK that chooch video has rocked my preorder and begode extreme confidence, i want something that can go 45 or more and take a beating, and the extreme looks awesome until i worry about it cutting out and breaking because im buying this is Jump, i want airtime and I dont wanna bottom out, tilt back mid air, cut out on my rides, i want a patton dependability with a 100mm or more travel.....im just kinda disappointed with some of these releases
@@saltlife316 I understand your hesitation. It shakes my confidence too a little bit, but since we have photographic proof now (on the screen) that Chooch went 80+ km/h during the cutout, and Ride One cut out at 80 kmh, we now know where "the line" is. God bless those brave souls who leaped across that line, for science! 🤣
The release video also shows 130v remaining in the batteries in their video on the battery management portion of thief app.
I agree a bit on the childish aesthetics and non-matching orange all over the wheel. I saw another video where he pointed out that there are 4 orange colors.
The 85mm of travel is acceptable, in my opinion, as they use a progressive spring rate. Same sort of thing that happened to motorcycles historically.
It’s cool, but even at the $3300 price point, I’d still get the Commander Mini. A swappable battery (which I’ll never use cuz I don’t buy extras or travel by plane anywhere) and an extra 800 watts in the motor with less speed just isn’t worth the extra $500. I’d rather have an all metal build with high speed like the Mini offers. I’m sure it’ll be a great wheel but I’ll wait till the price goes down before I consider it.
I have the Patton and the Mini, will order the adventure. Also have the S22 pro. Yes, I have a problem. Best wheel? Honestly, nobody can touch the Patton torque and handling at the moment. It is agile and powerful, and you feel it in your bones. For the money though, and on street, I pick the Mini! That thing is a weapon. Can’t turn on a dime or accelerate from stop like the Patton, but it will take you faster in terms of top speed. Like jumps? There is only one, the S22!
Overall the Patton is the best wheel I’ve ever ridden in my life, at this point! Until the adventure… perhaps…
@@RogueTravel Leaperkim must have the best engineers in the industry. The Patton has been in the market for quite some time, which usually gives competitors the ability to dissect the tech. It’s amazing that none of the manufactures cracked their code, since their release. This is truly a testament of their genius.
@@RogueTravel and the extreme? what do you know or think about it?
its worth the extra money to not crash. 134v wheels are suicide
You should get your hands on one and review it again.
That is likely going to happen! I will possibly get my hands on a pre-production model for video review purposes, courtesy of eWheels. Some of the "issues" that I mentioned may be addressed prior to its release, so it very well might be even better before they release the production model.
@@WheelGoodTime will please do a through review as I’ve put a deposit on one - eWheels - good luck
@@Timemachine69 As long as I can get my hands on one, I absolutely will! I love trying out new EUCs and making videos :)
I like it cuz i wont go on trail … 3900 is not bad cuz sherman s n v13 is 4k .. the top speed im aiming at is only 50mph
Is the battery casing metal?
Yep :)
It's not that ugly, the orange is getting old, I didn't mind the rim on the v12 but all this extra doesn't give you a blank enough canvus to individualize much, I remember when the s20 came out, sucks if you live in a neighborhood full on crips in LA or something 😂
Agree, as if riding an EUC doesn’t get u noticed enough.
Did I miss the spot where IM state it has 85mm travel, or are you guessing it at 85mm?
I think it would be really good if you stated each time something is your option, we get confused between what is opinion and what is fact from IM, otherwise good video if it wasn’t from your bed room. Well done 👍🏼
Unfortunately I was sent out of the country for work, and an unable to record videos in a better setting. That was actually filmed in a hotel room, where was the quietest location that I could get. My other option is in a cramped, noisy ship or a loud coffee shop 😀 IM didn't specify in their launch video that it would be 85 mm, but they confirmed it unofficially beforehand. Thanks for the feedback!
@@WheelGoodTime thanks for the reply. Yeah I get it, work travel has its benefits and downside. I bet you put a lot of time into your videos, they can take a lot of energy to do, keep at it they are getting better all the time. I really don’t like your click bait like facial expressions on the video cover, it often has me go straight past onto something less wanky, just my opinion tho.
@@scottmorris7320 I don't enjoy doing the facial expressions lol... but it's sadly a necessity. If you put your face onto a thumbnail, it subconsciously draws in a person's eyes to very, very briefly process mentally what is being communicated. I have no intent to ever be clickbait and want to deliver effectively whatever I am trying to convey through a thumbnail without leaving a viewer thinking they got tricked into clicking 😊 I almost had a far more ridiculous facial expression on this thumbnail, but I chickened out and used this one instead 🤣
@@WheelGoodTime hey points to you for being bold, if it works for you great, just saying I usually only watch you less wanky thumbnail videos. This one got me because of the new IM wheel, very keen to learn more about it. I have a S22, T4 and a Patton, this V14 looks like a real competitor to the Patton on trails.
Does the Adventure lack the battery safety feature compared to the V13 since the batteries are placed differently?
I am in the process of trying to find that out right now. Hopefully i find out soon!
Calling it ugly is a stretch
It's growing on me a little... But I'm still not a fan 😊
“A bit ugly.”, “Gucci beginner wheel”, “Feels cheap”… I disagree with your opinion. Regarding the price I do agree that any more than the 3300 USD, or the equivalent in EUR, delivered including VAT, would be a deal breaker looking at the competition. I’m also very interested in seeing if there will eventually come a 14” version and the price of it. Will be interesting to view the real reviews coming, I mean when the testing of the actual EUC will start. Always good to get to know both the strengths and weaknesses of any EUC.
Just want them to focus on protecting the bearings from rust. 4 years ago all my wheels were fine in the rain. Protecting the mother boards and batteries is easy from water but with the new hollow bore motors seems like they cannot figure out how to protect the bearings. Yes not having a weak axle is a huge upgrade for safety but they need to fix the rust issue. I hate riding a wheel with rusty bearings. So loud. Just use upgraded bearings or give me an option of paying 300 dollars more for upgraded bearings with a 3 year warranty. Nobody keeps a wheel longer than 3 years. lol
The shorter suspension travel will make the wheel a better option for people looking to travel very quickly down hard pack/gravel roads and with the progressive spring will keep the tire in contact with the ground better than their competitors on those surfaces... in theory anyway. Probably not as good of an option on bumpy/root covered offroad/downhill trails but the 200mm eye to eye setup will allow people to easily swap their suspension to something that matches their riding style/terrain preference and that's a good thing. Eco friendly renewable non-metal is what exactly Inmotion? Did they make this thing outta wood?
Samsung 50G/GB is a 21700 battery that looks like it has 50% better max discharge amps then the 50E but with the same capacity; however, there is no consistency between sites on the internet and nobody seems to have these things to sell. Hard to believe this battery is currently competitive in price to mass produced Samsung 40T or maybe even the Molicel p45b but if it is its not a bad option over the 50E.
Very informative, does that mean it’s a buy? Thanks
@@Stan-kj8fq I bought a Begode Extreme coil suspension and I would again because the build quality is finally good, it still has water ingress resistance (but no IP## rating and it has some features that I prefer for my use case. Plus it was cheaper (by a lot) and will show up before winter hits. Almost can't lose buying any of the new 16 inch suspension wheels as each has its advantages.
@@mikko.g I totally agree. The manufacturers have impressed me with their technology deliveries, thus far. The most interesting decision by the manufacturers was to invest their experience into the 16” category. I am assuming this size has been proven to perform best in many environments. What’s your take?
I am hoping the sport will evolve enough that the manufacturers will sponsor riders to represent their engineering feats in professional races. That would push the tech narrative, and inevitably make our EUCS better.
Good point about the ability to swap out the shock.
Should have at least been a fast as the exn high torque. Imo. Right guys?? That would have made it WAY better. Because we need a water proof exn style wheel!!
Many very good points. Some are slamming the extreme suspension yet I am suspecting they had improper suspension. Everybody is persuing the coil suspension yet the air suspension on the extreme has the least reported issues. I want to like inmotion because of their waterproof and safety. Eucs are all about speed though. Ya adventure is ugly, the extreme does look nicer yet they are very similar. V13 suspension wasnt all that either and the seat was not standard. I can only judge for myself by riding the wheels myself. Very promissing direction though for eucs as a whole.
As Flavor Flave would put it “ Don’t believe the hype “ 😂
I believe them for the most part - and they did an incredible job with their marketing for this launch. We just need to read between the lines to see if the hype is justified. 😊 I think it has potential to be a great wheel, as long as the price never ever exceeds $3300 USD lol
Dude, in all fairness this is the first video I've seen of yours. I gotta say though it seems rather biased in that you complained about everything about the wheel and then said lets get into the not so good things about the wheel hahahaha. Considering the offerings from the other companies so far, your definitely going to be in the minority on your feelings about this wheel. When your posting a snippet of Chooch and his crash, I already figured where this video was going.
Thanks for your input. I feel like this wheel has a lot of potential, but I also believe they missed the mark in other ways. IM has a very good way of marketing, and conveniently glossing over their not-so-good aspects, or lying about their wheels, such as potential range and waterproof ratings. Again, this may be the most powerful 16" euc ever. But I have to treat them fairly when they miss the mark too, just as I have treated other EUC companies fairly and excposed issues with their wheels as well.
They literally said in their video that they tested a 1m drop with a 90kg rider and didnt bottom out. Dont know why you didn't mention that part and just kept talking about the travel.
Travel distance is very important. The suspension otherwise looks very nice, but it'll still require a rather stiff setting in order to compensate for the travel distance on bumpy trails. Again - it looks nice, but just not for something marketed as trail wheel.
Your affiliate link's dont work. They say not valid
Which one(s) are you trying to use?
I noticed that the alien rides link must be copied/pasted because otherwise, YT turns it into half of a link unfortunately.
I don’t see such a huge improvement over the Extreme or Patton to justify the high price. I’m also not a fan of limiting any of the wheels capable performance; I paid for it so I want all of it. Also luv seated riding and agree u won’t be able to on this out of the box like other EUCs. Good review.
Wouldn’t it be more safe to have a headroom of 80 km/h?
There's talk going on right now to potentially increase the top speed to 80 KMH and have 50S batteries included. This is hugely good news, if it happens!
I get its IM interpretation of what offroad suspension should be & that 85mm travel is enough. Maybe but me, I look at other forms of offroad vehicles ie. MTBs, enduro/MX bikes, Jeep types & specialized offroad racing types. Not one touts less suspension travel as a virtue. Indeed all them puahes the opposite. The Extreme has 135mm so its gonna fun to compare both when properly setup for the rider ofcos. I must say the quick disconnect batt packs seems good but then BGs modular batt packs arent exactly difficult to remove either. I do have major concerns with the 70kmh speed limit which seems pretty dumb to me. Speed limits are already available via app so factory preset seems redundant & excessively limiting. Def a big YMMV. Wont comment on looks & other such til its out. But pricing is also gonna be a huge factor. Me, I'm likely gonna be in the Extreme camp for a variety of reasons, not least being that I can purchase for close to 1k less. Say what we want but price is a big deal
After posting this video I discovered that in motion is also extending their factory warranty to two years, but 18 months for the battery packs. Unfortunately now I can't find the source where I found that information 🤣 But that does definitely add significantly to its value and being worth the price. Still I can't justify more than $3300 even with an extended warranty like that. Thanks for your insight!!
@@WheelGoodTime Agreed, maybe 😅. Easy to make paper promises but we'll see when owners spank them hard offroad. There's gonna be plenty dumps & crashes. We'll see how good IM 2yr warranty is. If its fully warrantied with zero issues with claims, then ya, the extra $$$ might be worth it. Until then, all we have is big claims. As in all things, the devil lies in the details esp with insurance of which warranties are.
An 8 volt difference is a big deal eh... you clearly have not tried the Patton and the Extreme (spoiler: the 126v wheel has more torque). I get that you and your 130mm suspension are just trying to make content but a bit more research and/or avoiding the topics you don't know anything about would serve you well
The 8 volt difference is a big deal, but it's pretty apparent that LK hit a home run with the power that they were able to extract from the Patton. I'm aware that the Patton had more torque, prior to the Extreme's 350a max phase current firmware update. I'd like to try both side by side but I'm unable to do so right now. I stand by my stance about being disappointed in the adventure's suspension travel distance. 85mm suspension is also a big deal compared to 130mm, considering the adventure is marketed as a trail wheel. Thanks for the feedback!
Samsung 50G batteries are 21700
I am just repeating what I read - however IM may be using 50S batteries instead after all (!) 😀
@@WheelGoodTime after looking into them more, i think id prefer molicel p45b batts over 50s batts, the 50s batts are only rated to %60 capacity over 250 charge cycles. the 50e is rated for %80 after 500 cycles. The 50s capacity TANKS aproaching 300 charge cycles. while that is all the way to 2.5v, thats still not great. Its a little concerning given i want my wheel to last as long as possible.
@@j_a_a i've heard that the capacity only tanks if you're riding it ultra hard every time. If you are riding like a normal person, then it should last quite a while. I belivee there are no molicel batteries coming out these days because of china's tensions with taiwan, where molicels are made :(
@@WheelGoodTime awww that makes sense, damn. Honestly gives me more reason to seek out molicel batteries lol
Glad I have an extreme which with its all metal cnc build is far more durable than the v14 (really needed for offroad dedicated wheels especially) that has a lot of plastic in its build, has much longer suspension travel (full 130mm with air shock- just get a third party 200mm spring to take full advantage of full 130mm with coil shock like I did), isn't speed capped at only 43mph and with its low cog and wider 3" rim the extreme probably is more stable/ planted and has more agility (due to low cog)..extreme has better pedals too and better value for money, especially when purchased from Next Gen Mobility..I like that my extreme has a seat too..the modular begode design doesn't make it hard to remove the batteries for shipping on the extreme anyway.. many who had their extremes air shipped had the batteries sent separately so why can't they do the same if they want to fly somewhere with their extreme too? Think it's questionable why inmotion haven't yet disclosed what voltage it runs at.. anything less than 134v these days is a deal breaker too for me
They later disclosed that it'll be 134v :) I agree with your points. The Adventure might be an outstanding performer but I see a lot of drawbacks to it that make it hard to justify their asking price in my opinion.
It's 126v using 21700 samsung 50gb cells 5ah 10a discharge each pack is a 30s1p 600whr 126v 5ah
So all 4 pack is a 30s4p system this kind worries me the absolute peek for the is 14a for 3sec with 30sec rest. 14 x 4 = 56A at 126v full charge so the battery is capable of 7000w for 3 sec max or 5000w constant
For more proof the screen in the web site show individual cell voltage is a 5x6 grid 5x6=30 in series
I think if I had to pick I'd go with the patten it's a one wheel tank and looks that part this looks like a plastic toy.
I totally agree with your points, but why the Patton over the Extreme?
@@themadchemist2805 I have a few begodes and if I'm crush back trails away from the road I want something reliable and predictable. And let's say begode leaves a little on the table in this department.
I have a sherman s and sure it's not over kill at anything but it's a solid 8 at all things and the build quality is a step or two above begode wheels inmotion has some of the best off the shelf build quality but it also a lot of plastic and they are not very friendly to user modifications.
Patton doesn't have pads.
seems to be a speed limited by software version of the begode extreme...
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Its wrong of you to use chooch as an example of a customer who purposely over speeds a wheel to then blame the equipment, begode obviously dont know what they are doing design/QC wise or his wheel wouldn't have been indicating low batt within 10 mins of being fully charged which caused a premature cutout far earlier than could be expected, chooch is no fool and has a lot of experience on euc he knows how to back off when he hears the beeps to avoid a cutout on a wheel which functions properly. What about martys broken leg? Is that another guy just blaming begode when it was actually the rider pushing the wheel too hard?? Of course not.. the problem with this chinese rubbish is that owners are putting their bodies on the line and relying on the cheep chinese electronics/batteries/build quality to keep the wheel upright. On an ebike or escooter if it quits you just roll to a stop. An euc is even more critical than an aircraft, if the power system has a gitch nothing will save you. You go down like a bag of shit. Even a helicopter can autorotate in the event of a power failure but eucs are completely reliant on the motor.
I'd like to see myself as even-handed in my criticism or praise of Begode - I publicly offered my thoughts and criticism of the A2 after the blown board incident, and since we still don't know still exactly why the A2 cut out and broke Marty's ankle, I rescinded my recommendation for that wheel. As far as the extreme cutout is concerned: after much discussion and analysis, he was going far faster than claimed and it was user error rather than equipment failure. That said, I passed up a recommendation to Begode to increase the default PWM safety margin an extra 5-10% via firmware update, to prevent this sort of awful incident from happening again.
I hear a lot of "I'm Guessing....", "I suppose....", "Seems like....", "I think...."
So the whole video is you telling us you don't know what you're talking about.... Thanks for your opinions.
Thank you for your opinion as well.
18650 is a bad idea, less e-density
girls would love to sit on this wheel. the suspension dampening will pleasure them while riding in bumpy road.
can everyone please stop calling it the v14? it's not the v14...
It ifficially is, just like the Challenger is a v13
Lol who cares
I can’t stand your thumbnails. I’d still watch with something a bit more subtle
thanks for the input. I dont enjoy that part but it does bring in views so I feel obligated to do it lol
@@WheelGoodTime I figured. That darn algorithm 😂
O, your this guy….
The one who criticizes before even having introductions…
Well done 🤮
Yep, It's a reaction video and I make no apologies for voicing my honest thoughts on it. But thanks for your feedback!