What they really mean is they want a fictional character they made up in their head to be said celebrity. Look at fanfics and people speaking for these individuals as if they know them. You see comments on videos like 'so and so is furious about this.' Or 'so and so would never agree with this' When they don't even know what that person is thinking.
Also if you notice ALL of your examples are WOMEN. There is a HUGE difference in gender roles and how women are supposed to be seen as polite and submissive
Agreed. I'm tired of "PR training" being used as a crutch for how media corporations basically make these celebrities have to act like robots just to keep their bag secured.
That’s literally the first thing I thought. Stan culture has been around for decades but with how popular kpop is today, people see that everything idols do is curated for the image companies want them to portray, and people are trying to apply that too western artists now….
People don’t hate personalities they had people. Period. Whether it’s because they’re just generally miserable, or they’re envious of them they just will never be satisfied. Just like they hate celebrities that speak their mind they will hate on people like Beyoncé for not speaking at all. Maybe it’s a control thing as well, because you can’t control someone who is outspoken, and you can’t control someone who doesn’t speak bc you know nothing about them
D'Angelo Wallace had a great vid about this. I think people coming from a good place saying they need media training is more like, "look dude, this is mass media. We know you have nuance but learn how to communicate these feelings on the mass scale your platform now is"
@@savvy76 I also watch D’Angelo and usually agree, but I had slightly differing views. I just feel for them cause I wouldn’t wish a celebrities position on anyone. But I do see where training could help in certain situations
@@tinysey Yah exactly, I totally agree with your points about celebs just being humans and deserve to have autonomy in how they portray themselves,, my divergence is where there is a benefit for media training. Chappell is obviously and vocally struggling with her meteoric rise. I think having a team behind her to help guide her would benefit her greatly. With the plus that she is a very stern person when it comes to boundaries, I feel she would do better enforcing those with a team than the millions of parasocial leeches she feels the need to acknowledge.
@@savvy76respectfully, i disagree. i see where you’re coming from but most PR people follow the guidelines and tend to water down a statement and it hinders the artist more than help them. whatever chappell says will have backlash, especially with all the eyes on her right now. she will drain her swamp and real fans will stay as she is first and foremost, a drag queen above everything else. and notice how it’s always women who need to be “trained” whereas a man of the same age would be praised for being not like others
It does suck to see authentic celebs have to essentially be 'toned down' for the masses, but tbh I do think that media training is vital for the job - not even as a means of controlling the narrative or what have you, but as a safety measure. Sad to say, but the public def seems to think that a celebrity becomes public property when they become famous. It's obviously not right, but we all have to remember that 'the public' is comprised of everyone from every walk of life, including many, many people that simply do not care to understand nuance, or are willing to act in bad faith in interpreting what these celebs say. In the same way that sarcasm or ironic joke statements are hard to understand over text, celebs need to be able to protect their own image, and unfortunately one of the only ways to do that is by being very careful with what they say.
I agree with most of this but including Blake Lively is a miss. Tone deaf, rude, out of touch and failing to address the serious topic of the movie, which is problematic AF to begin with. It’s dangerous to normalize and be so light hearted about something as serious as DV as a public figure. That’s not media training that’s common sense
right, the only reason I clicked the video was to see why on earth Blake was used in the thumbnail. We don’t need to be confusing or excusing people with genuinely horrible values and character traits by saying “oh, so people can’t have a personality anymore??” They can, just not a horrible one. This seems like an obvious notion…
I think Blake Lively is older and had a pre-curated image that people felt she broke the illusion of really harshly and people found it jarring. I don't think it's quite the same as Rachel Ziegler or Chappel Roan since those women are younger while Blake has experience. 😂 So yeah, with Blake starting in a movie about DV I think it was fair for people to expect some tenderness and seriousness instead of the weird flippant vibe she was giving the press tour.
I think we should think of celebrities as strangers and stop being to interested in their identity. Beyond the product and the service we shouldn’t expect nothin. They don’t owe us a perfect little facade
People legit sating "Hey talented women, bow to my wants and needs. I'm here to consume you, after all!" Great video ❤ you're right and you're right for saying it.
I feel like this is also a product of the internet being able to take a couple of seconds moment and create whatever narrative about said person and people run with it
10:05 if i had thousands of people judging me based on what my dads fucking BROTHER is doing, i’d quit, because yall don’t deserve nice things anyway. outside of making it clear to them i disagree with them, i am not responsible for my parents siblings. the people who need media training are the general public actually.
1) people forget that artists are artists.... and people... who can become celebrities. 2) celebrities aren't appealing to any and everyone and actually, everyone is an individual and people that are more "themselves" or individualistic, tend to be less-liked. why? because they appeal to fewer masses generally. Higher individualism is often more authentic as well. people just hate on anyone. i don't think media training should make artists less controversial. that would be going backwards in time. I disagree with this media training b.s. Just let people be themselves. If you have a big opinion you want to share with the world, do it yourself. Don't expect artists or people who have "platforms" to do it for you.
3:06 what happened?!? ⭐ People mad at Rachel for being Colombian have no idea what race, ethnicity and nationality are. Because she's literally a white woman. Her name is literally a white name. There are White Colombians.
Fans only want these celebrities to say what THEY want to hear and their beliefs. People claim to want diversity, but true diversity is the thoughts. Not the looks. You can see this with politics and opinions on current events, even with personal feelings. If you don't say the correct mass opinions. You are problematic and, therefore, should be canceled. We're all really aren't the same, but people view celebrities as dolls than human beings with their own thoughts and feelings. I respect Chappelle, doja, and others like them. People have been doing this for too long, and it's time to break the fantasy.
An off-topic comment on Rachel Ziegler's take on the purpose of the snow white movie. The thing is: a lot of people want both self-actualisation and true/quality love. These days movies/media pit the two against each other sometimes, as if people (or women, rather🤔) no longer want that communion.
@@tinysey I don’t understand why this is surprising when it’s one of the most contentious issues in the US right now. Yes, speaking out either way will get you major backlash because it’s an issue people are divided on. Ironic that she’s willing to do that, but didn’t say who she was voting for until she was pressed. She’s literally a secret conservative and y’all love it
@@DavidJones-ot8qushe raises money for palestine through her merch stand at her concerts. she reaches out to local drag queens per show to open for her. nothing conservative about that. if anything she’s strictly left leaning when most of our country is republican or centrist. her town and county don’t like or agree with her as ive heard from my fellow Missourians
@@DavidJones-ot8quyea in what world is one vague statement where you couldn't even say the name of the place you were referring to being outspoken on a issue i swear the energy during the celeb block list movement is night and day different if this was then the convo would be entirely different
It's almost like they want people to stop acting like everyday people. Whether that be normal personalities or yes, out of touch, rude, offensive...human. I feel like female actresses were like this in the Golden Era. Marilyn. Liz. Ingrid. Etc. Not allowed to be human. But now combined with celebrity worship and social media no one would mentally survive that. Just let people be.
Media training isn't always taking someone's personality away. Sometimes it's just telling a celebrity to express their real opinion in an easy to digest way, because the public is stupid and mean and will torment you over a misunderstanding or cherry picked comment. You are right when you say people lack media literacy, your desire for it to change is righteous, but realistically it's not going to, so it's smartest to work around people's shortcomings, lest you be constantly infuriated by them like Chapell Roan. If she could handle the fire then I'd say go for it, don't ever censor yourself, but it seems to be really damaging her, so... something's gotta change. She could also just stop doing interviews and scale way back on social media; not sure why she doesn't tbh. D'Angelo, who has a college degree relevant to this issue, recently made a video on Chapell Roan and media training. I highly recommend watching it.
you didn't mention into detail ice spice, and this is something i thought of (before the cleo situation which i think we can agree was simply unprofessional in workplace standards) but a while ago she got the same allegations as ariana grande not being a girls girl. when did any of them claim they were? people need to stop projecting onto public figures, ESPECIALLY POLITICIANS, on what they want. all of these people mentioned in the video didn't get "media training" ok but i know how i personally feel about them & if it's enough for me to stop engaging with their work or not. we need to accept that this is how celebs are- not saying they don't deserve criticism, but like damn, leave room for all of us to think critically. media literally is dead.
Personally I don’t care if a celeb is polished bc if theyre acting up I’m just like dang no way! I grab the popcorn and it’s entertainment. Idk these people bc they are just people but yeah sure I can respect their work. Personally, I think they need training. It’s going to affect their career a lot if they are always outspoken bc not everyone is going to agree. Some people may just not like you for who you are and will boycott a film just for the person that is in it. It’s best to separate yourself from the work but if you don’t you’re taking a risk of potentially being cancelled bc it is not hard to say the wrong things or get worked up by something and act up. No one is perfect but cancel culture is real. Side note: entitlement just irks me. I can’t bear out of touch people, celebs or not so I’m not immune to seeing the blake lively interview and thinking dang she was being a major a hole for no reason. Yuck
yeah i pretty much... listen. don't idolize anyone. every celebrity you know and love is just a human person. they are flawed, they are normal, and _i think_ it's better for them to act like it and for us to act like it. "she didn't get the media training" is a weird sentiment for a FAN or even an onlooker to have IF you value authenticity like i do. the practices and policies imparted by media training literally function as a wall between the real you and the real celebrity... it runs conter to that which is genuine. think about what you want. also paparazzi is just legal stalking like 😂 give it a fucking rest you freaks. BE NORMAL!!
Honestly, I love chapel. I was a big fan before she got big not like it really matters, but to be honest I understand how she feels but she has to also realize that without her fans, she wouldn’t really have this place. I know she’s number one the billboard. I don’t think she expected to be that big and I’m sure she’s not expect for to feel the way it is. But she is number one right now. So that’s what it feels like. You know once or twice of telling people I get it but it’s likeat a certain point it does come across like a little bit ungrateful even though I do love this girl it’s just like stop complaining like you have something so many people do not have and if you don’t want it I guess stop doing it. I don’t know, man.
There is a lot going on here I feel. I see how you want people to dial back their expectations on how people should act. However, I believe you get what you give. Give respect get respect. Some people think keeping it real means they don’t have to feel empathy or compassion for other people’s emotions. Dave Chapelle believes that until racism ends he is not going to give 2 shits about anybody’s feelings. Don’t like him, don’t listen, is that where we want humanity to evolve to? By humanizing others we retain our humanity. Being kind with no ulterior motive other than there’s enough ugliness in the world and it feels good to cheer other people up. If we just say fuck it then we revert back to Homo Erectus. Without politeness, manners, a code of honor, humility, and compassion we are basically worse than chimpanzees. Humans need ambition to strive to be better than what they currently are. What has keeping it real done for Paul Mooney? You can piss off white people, congrats but can you stop thinking that they’re all shit and unworthy of equal respect. How are we winning as a species? Why do we deserve to rule this planet?
Also Chappell used "bothsidesism" in her political statement, first off, I don't think ANY celeb needs to express politics. Again, media training would have helped her circumvent this question if she didn't want to answer,, and answer in a a more clear way that would have minimized a hate mob continuing to drain her mental health.
She did well when people tried to tie a candidate to her. As someone who likes some of her music she doesn’t need to be tied to that wannabe black and poor bitch Kamala.
![[MV] A leap of faith...ความเชื่อใจครั้งสุดท้าย (From "Petrichor the series")](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/U1piZH2CNXA/mqdefault.jpg)
Had to remove a segment due to copyright 😢. Hope you enjoy watching regardless. What do you all think about media training?
I admire authenticity, media training is a tricky one.
People say they want “authenticity and vulnerability” but then have terrible, adverse reactions when they get it…
What they really mean is they want a fictional character they made up in their head to be said celebrity.
Look at fanfics and people speaking for these individuals as if they know them. You see comments on videos like 'so and so is furious about this.' Or 'so and so would never agree with this'
When they don't even know what that person is thinking.
@@mx8357 They just want someone who doesn’t literally suck lmao. Chappell Roan is just a mean girl larping as a liberal
Also if you notice ALL of your examples are WOMEN. There is a HUGE difference in gender roles and how women are supposed to be seen as polite and submissive
💯
Agreed. I'm tired of "PR training" being used as a crutch for how media corporations basically make these celebrities have to act like robots just to keep their bag secured.
@@lorriechristian7164 💯
They want them to be like K-pop idols. Very little of their personalities are shown, they're almost like robots
As someone that was into kpop, I agreeee
That’s literally the first thing I thought. Stan culture has been around for decades but with how popular kpop is today, people see that everything idols do is curated for the image companies want them to portray, and people are trying to apply that too western artists now….
It's not true, a lot of idols show personality, because they can't seem like they don't have personality.
Hm! It always comes back to
"be yourself ❤"
*person is themselves*
"No, not like that!"
People don’t hate personalities they had people. Period. Whether it’s because they’re just generally miserable, or they’re envious of them they just will never be satisfied. Just like they hate celebrities that speak their mind they will hate on people like Beyoncé for not speaking at all. Maybe it’s a control thing as well, because you can’t control someone who is outspoken, and you can’t control someone who doesn’t speak bc you know nothing about them
Let artists be PEOPLE AGAIN!!!! Instead of just "Brandoids".
D'Angelo Wallace had a great vid about this. I think people coming from a good place saying they need media training is more like, "look dude, this is mass media. We know you have nuance but learn how to communicate these feelings on the mass scale your platform now is"
@@savvy76 I also watch D’Angelo and usually agree, but I had slightly differing views. I just feel for them cause I wouldn’t wish a celebrities position on anyone. But I do see where training could help in certain situations
I also watch D’Angelo and feel like he missed the mark on his critique (for once!) I’m glad to see your video had a different take.
@@tinysey Yah exactly, I totally agree with your points about celebs just being humans and deserve to have autonomy in how they portray themselves,, my divergence is where there is a benefit for media training. Chappell is obviously and vocally struggling with her meteoric rise. I think having a team behind her to help guide her would benefit her greatly. With the plus that she is a very stern person when it comes to boundaries, I feel she would do better enforcing those with a team than the millions of parasocial leeches she feels the need to acknowledge.
@@savvy76respectfully, i disagree. i see where you’re coming from but most PR people follow the guidelines and tend to water down a statement and it hinders the artist more than help them. whatever chappell says will have backlash, especially with all the eyes on her right now. she will drain her swamp and real fans will stay as she is first and foremost, a drag queen above everything else.
and notice how it’s always women who need to be “trained” whereas a man of the same age would be praised for being not like others
I think we need to learn to humanise celebrities. Like can we just buy the albums without investing our emotions into the entertainer?😂
i don’t even listen to her music but chappell roan seems to have actual values and isn’t afraid to assert her boundaries and it’s sooooo refreshing
@@gemela777 She has literally no values. She is a Jill Stein republican, which is almost worse than being a Trump supporter at this point
It does suck to see authentic celebs have to essentially be 'toned down' for the masses, but tbh I do think that media training is vital for the job - not even as a means of controlling the narrative or what have you, but as a safety measure. Sad to say, but the public def seems to think that a celebrity becomes public property when they become famous. It's obviously not right, but we all have to remember that 'the public' is comprised of everyone from every walk of life, including many, many people that simply do not care to understand nuance, or are willing to act in bad faith in interpreting what these celebs say. In the same way that sarcasm or ironic joke statements are hard to understand over text, celebs need to be able to protect their own image, and unfortunately one of the only ways to do that is by being very careful with what they say.
I agree with most of this but including Blake Lively is a miss. Tone deaf, rude, out of touch and failing to address the serious topic of the movie, which is problematic AF to begin with. It’s dangerous to normalize and be so light hearted about something as serious as DV as a public figure. That’s not media training that’s common sense
it’s her getting married on a plantation for me
right, the only reason I clicked the video was to see why on earth Blake was used in the thumbnail. We don’t need to be confusing or excusing people with genuinely horrible values and character traits by saying “oh, so people can’t have a personality anymore??” They can, just not a horrible one. This seems like an obvious notion…
I think Blake Lively is older and had a pre-curated image that people felt she broke the illusion of really harshly and people found it jarring. I don't think it's quite the same as Rachel Ziegler or Chappel Roan since those women are younger while Blake has experience. 😂 So yeah, with Blake starting in a movie about DV I think it was fair for people to expect some tenderness and seriousness instead of the weird flippant vibe she was giving the press tour.
I think we should think of celebrities as strangers and stop being to interested in their identity. Beyond the product and the service we shouldn’t expect nothin. They don’t owe us a perfect little facade
Media training is really more about being mindful of how what you say will be perceived by different groups of people.
People legit sating "Hey talented women, bow to my wants and needs. I'm here to consume you, after all!"
Great video ❤ you're right and you're right for saying it.
I feel like this is also a product of the internet being able to take a couple of seconds moment and create whatever narrative about said person and people run with it
I remember when folks used to say that it was always best to tell the truth and we are all now seeing that it's a str8 up LIE!!!!!
Been a long time fan of yours and this video feels like your best along many great ones! Love watching, keep up the great work!
Wow thank you 🌸
10:05 if i had thousands of people judging me based on what my dads fucking BROTHER is doing, i’d quit, because yall don’t deserve nice things anyway.
outside of making it clear to them i disagree with them, i am not responsible for my parents siblings.
the people who need media training are the general public actually.
yesss, I wish there was media training for society.
@@tinysey lmfao i think that’s meant to be high school, but clearly that whole thing ain’t goin so well 🥴
You can be classy and mean...
1) people forget that artists are artists.... and people... who can become celebrities.
2) celebrities aren't appealing to any and everyone and actually, everyone is an individual and people that are more "themselves" or individualistic, tend to be less-liked. why? because they appeal to fewer masses generally. Higher individualism is often more authentic as well. people just hate on anyone. i don't think media training should make artists less controversial. that would be going backwards in time.
I disagree with this media training b.s. Just let people be themselves. If you have a big opinion you want to share with the world, do it yourself. Don't expect artists or people who have "platforms" to do it for you.
3:06 what happened?!? ⭐
People mad at Rachel for being Colombian have no idea what race, ethnicity and nationality are. Because she's literally a white woman. Her name is literally a white name. There are White Colombians.
Fans only want these celebrities to say what THEY want to hear and their beliefs. People claim to want diversity, but true diversity is the thoughts. Not the looks.
You can see this with politics and opinions on current events, even with personal feelings. If you don't say the correct mass opinions. You are problematic and, therefore, should be canceled.
We're all really aren't the same, but people view celebrities as dolls than human beings with their own thoughts and feelings.
I respect Chappelle, doja, and others like them. People have been doing this for too long, and it's time to break the fantasy.
An off-topic comment on Rachel Ziegler's take on the purpose of the snow white movie. The thing is: a lot of people want both self-actualisation and true/quality love. These days movies/media pit the two against each other sometimes, as if people (or women, rather🤔) no longer want that communion.
Can’t help but notice that Chappell Roan and Rachel Zegler have both been outspoken about Palestine 🇵🇸 ❤🖤🤍💚🇵🇸
@@angelitaedwards which also gets them in trouble 😕
@@tinysey I don’t understand why this is surprising when it’s one of the most contentious issues in the US right now. Yes, speaking out either way will get you major backlash because it’s an issue people are divided on. Ironic that she’s willing to do that, but didn’t say who she was voting for until she was pressed. She’s literally a secret conservative and y’all love it
@@DavidJones-ot8qushe raises money for palestine through her merch stand at her concerts. she reaches out to local drag queens per show to open for her. nothing conservative about that. if anything she’s strictly left leaning when most of our country is republican or centrist. her town and county don’t like or agree with her as ive heard from my fellow Missourians
@@DavidJones-ot8quyea in what world is one vague statement where you couldn't even say the name of the place you were referring to being outspoken on a issue i swear the energy during the celeb block list movement is night and day different if this was then the convo would be entirely different
@@kc-db6fg I don’t know what you’re talking about TBH
We could also talk about this but corporate!! 8:21 like there are rules but at the end of the day what makes you you…matters!!!
It's almost like they want people to stop acting like everyday people. Whether that be normal personalities or yes, out of touch, rude, offensive...human.
I feel like female actresses were like this in the Golden Era. Marilyn. Liz. Ingrid. Etc. Not allowed to be human. But now combined with celebrity worship and social media no one would mentally survive that. Just let people be.
I think with celebrities it's a blessing and a curse for them. They get the dream job but at what cost 😅
Media training isn't always taking someone's personality away. Sometimes it's just telling a celebrity to express their real opinion in an easy to digest way, because the public is stupid and mean and will torment you over a misunderstanding or cherry picked comment. You are right when you say people lack media literacy, your desire for it to change is righteous, but realistically it's not going to, so it's smartest to work around people's shortcomings, lest you be constantly infuriated by them like Chapell Roan. If she could handle the fire then I'd say go for it, don't ever censor yourself, but it seems to be really damaging her, so... something's gotta change. She could also just stop doing interviews and scale way back on social media; not sure why she doesn't tbh. D'Angelo, who has a college degree relevant to this issue, recently made a video on Chapell Roan and media training. I highly recommend watching it.
Ohhh you cooked with this !!
😁🌸
you didn't mention into detail ice spice, and this is something i thought of (before the cleo situation which i think we can agree was simply unprofessional in workplace standards) but a while ago she got the same allegations as ariana grande not being a girls girl. when did any of them claim they were? people need to stop projecting onto public figures, ESPECIALLY POLITICIANS, on what they want. all of these people mentioned in the video didn't get "media training" ok but i know how i personally feel about them & if it's enough for me to stop engaging with their work or not. we need to accept that this is how celebs are- not saying they don't deserve criticism, but like damn, leave room for all of us to think critically. media literally is dead.
Personally I don’t care if a celeb is polished bc if theyre acting up I’m just like dang no way! I grab the popcorn and it’s entertainment. Idk these people bc they are just people but yeah sure I can respect their work.
Personally, I think they need training. It’s going to affect their career a lot if they are always outspoken bc not everyone is going to agree. Some people may just not like you for who you are and will boycott a film just for the person that is in it. It’s best to separate yourself from the work but if you don’t you’re taking a risk of potentially being cancelled bc it is not hard to say the wrong things or get worked up by something and act up. No one is perfect but cancel culture is real.
Side note: entitlement just irks me. I can’t bear out of touch people, celebs or not so I’m not immune to seeing the blake lively interview and thinking dang she was being a major a hole for no reason. Yuck
yeah i pretty much... listen. don't idolize anyone. every celebrity you know and love is just a human person. they are flawed, they are normal, and _i think_ it's better for them to act like it and for us to act like it. "she didn't get the media training" is a weird sentiment for a FAN or even an onlooker to have IF you value authenticity like i do. the practices and policies imparted by media training literally function as a wall between the real you and the real celebrity... it runs conter to that which is genuine. think about what you want. also paparazzi is just legal stalking like 😂 give it a fucking rest you freaks. BE NORMAL!!
Honestly, I love chapel. I was a big fan before she got big not like it really matters, but to be honest I understand how she feels but she has to also realize that without her fans, she wouldn’t really have this place. I know she’s number one the billboard. I don’t think she expected to be that big and I’m sure she’s not expect for to feel the way it is. But she is number one right now. So that’s what it feels like. You know once or twice of telling people I get it but it’s likeat a certain point it does come across like a little bit ungrateful even though I do love this girl it’s just like stop complaining like you have something so many people do not have and if you don’t want it I guess stop doing it. I don’t know, man.
This so true
There is a lot going on here I feel. I see how you want people to dial back their expectations on how people should act. However, I believe you get what you give. Give respect get respect. Some people think keeping it real means they don’t have to feel empathy or compassion for other people’s emotions. Dave Chapelle believes that until racism ends he is not going to give 2 shits about anybody’s feelings. Don’t like him, don’t listen, is that where we want humanity to evolve to? By humanizing others we retain our humanity. Being kind with no ulterior motive other than there’s enough ugliness in the world and it feels good to cheer other people up. If we just say fuck it then we revert back to Homo Erectus. Without politeness, manners, a code of honor, humility, and compassion we are basically worse than chimpanzees. Humans need ambition to strive to be better than what they currently are. What has keeping it real done for Paul Mooney? You can piss off white people, congrats but can you stop thinking that they’re all shit and unworthy of equal respect. How are we winning as a species? Why do we deserve to rule this planet?
⭐️
yay ✨
Also Chappell used "bothsidesism" in her political statement, first off, I don't think ANY celeb needs to express politics. Again, media training would have helped her circumvent this question if she didn't want to answer,, and answer in a a more clear way that would have minimized a hate mob continuing to drain her mental health.
I’m the opposite, I appreciate hearing celebs politics and I change the way I consume their media accordingly.
Mind your idols.
“bothsidesism” is when you say the democrats are funding a genocide. just say you hate arabs and go
She did well when people tried to tie a candidate to her. As someone who likes some of her music she doesn’t need to be tied to that wannabe black and poor bitch Kamala.
I can pretty much tell when someone is fake af
⭐️