I rode the school bus with the two children of this household in the 90s and at the time was of similar age: I actually rode my bicycle, one time to the property and saw the weirdly dressed mannequins that flanked the indoor pool. In consideration I will not name the names of the son or daughter but honestly......there's no way that the wife didn't know that something was sideways.. ... Their home was definitely odd and so much, even as a fifteen year old I felt so uncomfortable that I never went back again. Sheriff's office under Whisman at the time also seriously botched this investigation. ... They had info that was not followed up on months ahead while Herb B kept killing.
Great documentary and memory of those who were lost. I was shocked to see myself and my ex in this video. I remember this time like it was yesterday. I personally knew two of the victims!
I believe in the statement by Micheal Connelly's character, Harry Bosch. 'Either everybody counts or nobody counts'. Perhaps if more people followed this guideline, more people would be saved from perps.
Herb Baumeister for sure the John Gacy of Chicago ; Dean Corll of Houston ; Jeff Dahmer of Milwaukee Randy Kraft & William Bonin of Los Angeles. Baumeister Indianapolis, Indiana. All of these prolific serial killer of young men & Teenage Boys .
I spoke with Mary Wilson as she was investigating an individual from my area. Mary left a deep impression on me & she handled the interview in such a professional sophisticated way she won my respect @ that time. I was getting off work 3:00pm & she handled everything so professional,she had my plant manager to call me aside & go into a conference room where I Met with Mary & another officer. Should this have happened in today's time, I am sure everyone where I worked would have known something was going on & it could have made everything complicated, my Family & I have always been associated with law enforcement ,back then,& it was more professionalized then than it is today.I always wanted to somehow tell Mary, even though had she not done her homework & back ground investigation so well our conversation could have not went so smoothly, she was Very Good @ her job & i believe she broke this case. She didn't look down on a person's lifestyle,she knew these individuals had Loved Ones that were missing & she had the determination she was going to bring their Loved Ones closure. Thank you Mary
A few years later the individual Mary had asked me about,his Grandparents bought the adjoining property to mine,even though I grew up in this same small town I didn't know that their Grandson was missing until they became my neighbors.
The wife waited two years after finding a SKULL on her property before she decided to report it? I think she knew what was going on. If not right from the very beginning then certainly some time before she found the skull. She needs to take some responsibility.
I think she did what any woman did and said ok I don't have no proof. Maybe it is his father's skull. But as time goes like all women her intuition turns into proof.. idk though
I was just thinking the same thing, the guy that got away described the mansion and after that the guy saw him again at the gay bar that he was picked up from. My friend Phil was still going to that same bar, Our Place, now named Jimmy's, in the late 70s and early 80s it was a gay leather bar, a lot of men wearing leather caps. My friend Rick and I accidently went in there looking for beer and girly in about 1980. We figured out quickly it was a all male gay bar so we left and ended up going to another bar. What strkes me is that Herb looked so nice and frail in the picture. You just never know what a monster can look like. His wife had to know that he brought men home that she never saw again and she had to know of his bisexuality.
My brother Steven Elliott was one of his victims that was found in a ditch a quarter mile east of the Indiana Ohio State line in Eaton, Ohio on August 12, 1989. When I was interviewed once Herb was found in Canada I was asked if he had an accomplice. I told the interviewer from Channel 13 I told her yes because my brother was not a pushover. When I watched The Haunting of Fox Hollow Farm you can hear Herb talking to them and say ask Chuck. My question to this day is after all these years why hasn't anyone looked into the identity of Chuck. I would love to have someone from the news or the police department get in touch with me about the investigation on this vase
Hamilton Co. was advised by a caring Indy detective that Herb was a suspect & they did nothing. When the Indy detective finally got Julie's permission, Hamilton sheriff office went with her to inspect the property. They found bones quickly. Julie got a court order for the kids. Hamilton Co. picked them up at Herb & Julie's lake house. They had probable cause to detain him at that time & didn't. I know IN's conservative, probably worse back then. Cops there didn't care about them.
Hamilton Co. had probable cause to detain Herb when they picked his kids up at the lake house by court order. They intentionally let him go. I hope the agency has changed since then.
Don't think his wife wasn't intentionally hiding anything.I don't think she wanted to believe it was true.I think she was deceived by her husband just like everybody else
Having worked as a correspondent reporter for the Indianapolis Star at that "satellite" *NORTH* bureau in Carmel, IN, during the Baumeister debacle (with Rich Miller! Best photographer I've ever worked with! 🤗) I just want to correct identifying the difference between the*NORTH*and *SOUTH*sides of the city. Very different.
"Hero of the case"? With all due respect, if she and her team had waited until they had a warrant instead of tipping them both off that they were coming for him, that creep would likely have faced justice. So... yeah.
Looking at him shows how he had the pick of victims, his wholesome persona boyish looks made him more dangerous. These victims never had a chance and some so young, it just breaks your heart. Hopefully they can ID these victims.
Thank you very much for doing this! Investigative journalism worthy for release on major streaming sites. Great to hear about the sad ones lost in our past as part of our gay history in Indiana. Still so sad.
Thank you, Peter Monn for presenting this case to others outside of the area years ago and currently. Gay or not... They were people too with wants and feelings. They could have made a difference not just for the LGBTQ community, but who knows one of them could have been a scientist or something big. Potential stolen from them and robbed from the world! Peter is such a great example of someone who was living in the area at the time, using, and potentially could have been a victim himself. Look at him now! The man has lived a life full of experiences to share and create hope for others not just of the community. 29 years sober, married to his husband, living his best (gay) life, with love, respect, and never without a sense of humor and humanity. Showing the world how wonderful people of the community are in the process. He keeps growing and learning even today. Imagine what the ones that didn't make it, and what could have been.... 🩵
It appears that Herb operated in a similar fashion to Gary Rigeway, the green river killer. The choice of victims, those on the fringe, who might not be missed, and operating in a community where most won’t come forward to help law enforcement, either out of fear of exposure and/ or drug involvement. This allowed Herb to get away with his crimes for so long….His wife may have either been in denial or perhaps feared the truth. I’m sure noone wants to believe their spouse is a serial murderer….Such a tangled web of deceit…..
I'd love to see them do that too, but it's like $5,000 a pop to test and they're saying there are 10,000 fragments of bone. They would have to test all of them and thousands could belong to the same person. It would be really hard, but I wish they would.
I feel so bad for the families. Not being able to bury your loved one is devastating. I don't understand why some people are not accepting of a gay man or a lesbian. They are just normal people. Personally, of the guy men I know, they are much more empathetic and caring than straight men. Just let people be themselves and live a happy life.
I hope Hamilton Co has changed for the better. They chose to let Herb go, despite probable cause, when they served the court order to get the kids from the lake house.
I can’t believe people still use the word “lifestyle” referring to gay people. It’s not a lifestyle any more than heterosexuality. It’s not a choice. Belonging to a country club is a lifestyle. Being emo or goth is a lifestyle. Rodeo is a lifestyle.
Had a Halloween party there when it was owned by a real estate company....creepy AF. Still have pictures of the indoor pool, posed in the master bath claw foot tub, and the main fireplace.😮
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I rode the school bus with the two children of this household in the 90s and at the time was of similar age:
I actually rode my bicycle, one time to the property and saw the weirdly dressed mannequins that flanked the indoor pool.
In consideration I will not name the names of the son or daughter but honestly......there's no way that the wife didn't know that something was sideways.. ...
Their home was definitely odd and so much, even as a fifteen year old I felt so uncomfortable that I never went back again.
Sheriff's office under Whisman at the time also seriously botched this investigation. ... They had info that was not followed up on months ahead while Herb B kept killing.
Kudos to WRTV for their deep dive reporting on this shameful history of Indy and what is being done today to try and reconcile that.
Great documentary and memory of those who were lost. I was shocked to see myself and my ex in this video. I remember this time like it was yesterday. I personally knew two of the victims!
I believe in the statement by Micheal Connelly's character, Harry Bosch. 'Either everybody counts or nobody counts'.
Perhaps if more people followed this guideline, more people would be saved from perps.
This makes so mad 😡 he murdered my half brother Richie 😭💔 i never got the chance to meet him. That coward took the easy way out 😡
So sorry 😢💔🕯️
I'm sorry for your loss
So sorry for you and your family's loss.
Another victim just identified. Jeffrey A. Jones. Missing since 1993
Herb Baumeister for sure the John Gacy of Chicago ; Dean Corll of Houston ; Jeff Dahmer of Milwaukee Randy Kraft & William Bonin of Los Angeles. Baumeister Indianapolis, Indiana. All of these prolific serial killer of young men & Teenage Boys .
Here after Peter Monns video!!
WRTV Amazing job at keeping the memory of this tragedy and hopefully identify more of his victims. May they all RIP ❤❤
Here from Peter's recommendation. Thanks for remembering the victims ❤
Popped up in my recommended after watching Peter Monn’s video about this…I’d never heard of this case before Peter talked about it.
Me too! Peter Monn did a great job on his videos
I spoke with Mary Wilson as she was investigating an individual from my area. Mary left a deep impression on me & she handled the interview in such a professional sophisticated way she won my respect @ that time. I was getting off work 3:00pm & she handled everything so professional,she had my plant manager to call me aside & go into a conference room where I Met with Mary & another officer. Should this have happened in today's time, I am sure everyone where I worked would have known something was going on & it could have made everything complicated, my Family & I have always been associated with law enforcement ,back then,& it was more professionalized then than it is today.I always wanted to somehow tell Mary, even though had she not done her homework & back ground investigation so well our conversation could have not went so smoothly, she was Very Good @ her job & i believe she broke this case. She didn't look down on a person's lifestyle,she knew these individuals had Loved Ones that were missing & she had the determination she was going to bring their Loved Ones closure.
Thank you Mary
A few years later the individual Mary had asked me about,his Grandparents bought the adjoining property to mine,even though I grew up in this same small town I didn't know that their Grandson was missing until they became my neighbors.
The wife waited two years after finding a SKULL on her property before she decided to report it? I think she knew what was going on. If not right from the very beginning then certainly some time before she found the skull. She needs to take some responsibility.
I think she did what any woman did and said ok I don't have no proof. Maybe it is his father's skull. But as time goes like all women her intuition turns into proof.. idk though
I was just thinking the same thing, the guy that got away described the mansion and after that the guy saw him again at the gay bar that he was picked up from. My friend Phil was still going to that same bar, Our Place, now named Jimmy's, in the late 70s and early 80s it was a gay leather bar, a lot of men wearing leather caps. My friend Rick and I accidently went in there looking for beer and girly in about 1980. We figured out quickly it was a all male gay bar so we left and ended up going to another bar. What strkes me is that Herb looked so nice and frail in the picture. You just never know what a monster can look like. His wife had to know that he brought men home that she never saw again and she had to know of his bisexuality.
My brother Steven Elliott was one of his victims that was found in a ditch a quarter mile east of the Indiana Ohio State line in Eaton, Ohio on August 12, 1989. When I was interviewed once Herb was found in Canada I was asked if he had an accomplice. I told the interviewer from Channel 13 I told her yes because my brother was not a pushover. When I watched The Haunting of Fox Hollow Farm you can hear Herb talking to them and say ask Chuck. My question to this day is after all these years why hasn't anyone looked into the identity of Chuck. I would love to have someone from the news or the police department get in touch with me about the investigation on this vase
So very sorry for your loss.
Go back to his previous residences..I doubt he started killing when he moved to Fox Hollow. Might go back to his childhood.
He started before that, he was the I70 strangler. Those murders stopped when he moved to Fox Hollow.
The I 70 killer killed women AND men. Herb killed only men, as far as we know.
I agree maybe as a young adult in his 20s. He was crazy and mentally unstable to do what he did 😮
Prayers for the families for answers and justice.
Please keep going for justice for the victims, families, friends, and community.
As soon as bones were found, he and his wife should have been arrested. She hid it too. Unbelievable…..law enforcement completely dropped the ball.
Hamilton Co. was advised by a caring Indy detective that Herb was a suspect & they did nothing. When the Indy detective finally got Julie's permission, Hamilton sheriff office went with her to inspect the property. They found bones quickly. Julie got a court order for the kids. Hamilton Co. picked them up at Herb & Julie's lake house. They had probable cause to detain him at that time & didn't. I know IN's conservative, probably worse back then. Cops there didn't care about them.
Hamilton Co. had probable cause to detain Herb when they picked his kids up at the lake house by court order. They intentionally let him go. I hope the agency has changed since then.
Don't think his wife wasn't intentionally hiding anything.I don't think she wanted to believe it was true.I think she was deceived by her husband just like everybody else
The poor mother had to pay for the DNA testing!! Shame on you people!
Having worked as a correspondent reporter for the Indianapolis Star at that "satellite" *NORTH* bureau in Carmel, IN, during the Baumeister debacle (with Rich Miller! Best photographer I've ever worked with! 🤗) I just want to correct identifying the difference between the*NORTH*and *SOUTH*sides of the city. Very different.
Being gay is not a choice or lifestyle
Its 2023
Thank you for your understanding but we will never get all of society to understand or accept this.
Yes it is.
"Hero of the case"? With all due respect, if she and her team had waited until they had a warrant instead of tipping them both off that they were coming for him, that creep would likely have faced justice. So... yeah.
The Indy detective tried. Even flew over in helicopter. Hamilton Co did nothing.
Looking at him shows how he had the pick of victims, his wholesome persona boyish looks made him more dangerous. These victims never had a chance and some so young, it just breaks your heart. Hopefully they can ID these victims.
That's 50 people give or take some more. Wow. That's absolutely heart wrenching for me.
Thank you very much for doing this! Investigative journalism worthy for release on major streaming sites. Great to hear about the sad ones lost in our past as part of our gay history in Indiana. Still so sad.
This is brutally sad.
It's actually kind of tragic how people in these old crime documentaries are clearly judging people for being gay..
Thank you, Peter Monn for presenting this case to others outside of the area years ago and currently.
Gay or not... They were people too with wants and feelings. They could have made a difference not just for the LGBTQ community, but who knows one of them could have been a scientist or something big. Potential stolen from them and robbed from the world!
Peter is such a great example of someone who was living in the area at the time, using, and potentially could have been a victim himself. Look at him now! The man has lived a life full of experiences to share and create hope for others not just of the community. 29 years sober, married to his husband, living his best (gay) life, with love, respect, and never without a sense of humor and humanity. Showing the world how wonderful people of the community are in the process. He keeps growing and learning even today.
Imagine what the ones that didn't make it, and what could have been.... 🩵
They knew exactly where to look for these bodies 28 years ago
Rest in peace angels such an evil individual😢
It appears that Herb operated in a similar fashion to Gary Rigeway, the green river killer. The choice of victims, those on the fringe, who might not be missed, and operating in a community where most won’t come forward to help law enforcement, either out of fear of exposure and/ or drug involvement. This allowed Herb to get away with his crimes for so long….His wife may have either been in denial or perhaps feared the truth. I’m sure noone wants to believe their spouse is a serial murderer….Such a tangled web of deceit…..
why not run the victims DNA through the popular family DNA companies?
I'd love to see them do that too, but it's like $5,000 a pop to test and they're saying there are 10,000 fragments of bone. They would have to test all of them and thousands could belong to the same person. It would be really hard, but I wish they would.
They are doing that and have Id's of more men. They have also collected DNA of families missing loved ones.
It's scary to think if he had been smart enough to get victims from a broader area he would likely have never been caught
What a waste. That beautiful house and property needed a better owner. Instead it got a unhinged sicko.
I feel so bad for the families. Not being able to bury your loved one is devastating. I don't understand why some people are not accepting of a gay man or a lesbian. They are just normal people. Personally, of the guy men I know, they are much more empathetic and caring than straight men. Just let people be themselves and live a happy life.
Lots of John W Gacy types all over the midwest
It is weird that they're like Well the killer Is it gone close case. The victims were totally forgotten about
I don't know what Herb's pick-up line was but I read that he tried to pass himself off as 28 years old 🥴🥴
Lots of sick men out there, makes it hard to trust anyone these days!
You mean... lots of sick people out there. There's plenty of cases involving women as well.
I hope Hamilton Co has changed for the better. They chose to let Herb go, despite probable cause, when they served the court order to get the kids from the lake house.
This report reveals nothing new and shows his picture way too many times!
I beg to differ. The deeper insight from the recently elected coroner and accounts from two of the victim's family members are new and impactful.
@@racso3eAgree and there could be people that see this that didn’t prior. It needs talked about more.
I can’t believe people still use the word “lifestyle” referring to gay people. It’s not a lifestyle any more than heterosexuality. It’s not a choice.
Belonging to a country club is a lifestyle.
Being emo or goth is a lifestyle.
Rodeo is a lifestyle.
Had a Halloween party there when it was owned by a real estate company....creepy AF. Still have pictures of the indoor pool, posed in the master bath claw foot tub, and the main fireplace.😮
The s💩t that goes on in the 'burbs 🤨
Baumeister? Rare information, bit late
😮🤯
Yeah...keep defunding the police
The usual suspect
Women like dangerous men
It taught me about there’s phycos out there dressed up like a chemilyon and they appear normal ? So scarry
Manuel Resendez knew how to play the skin flute
Richard Hamilton learned how to play the skin flute.
This makes so mad 😡 he murdered my half brother Richie 😭💔 i never got the chance to meet him. That coward took the easy way out 😡
so sorry
@@lestersloan2758 thank you. We all look alike.
I don't know what Herb's pick-up line was but I read that he tried to pass himself off as 28 years old 🥴🥴
I don't know what Herb's pick-up line was but I read that he tried to pass himself off as 28 years old 🥴🥴