“It’s the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit so it’s polytheistic right?” “Well, I grew up with Drunk Mommy and Sober Mommy who are *COMPLETELY* different but I still only had one mom” “Okay, point taken”
No joke I am an atheist and I never had real trouble with that question because I was rationalizing it before I became an aheist that It's like God is The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and "He" appears in whatever form he likes. Like..he's not "really" 3 entities, he just chooses an appearance and personality and that's how we view "Him" at each time. Yeah I was putting a lot of thought into it and trying to understand it, that's why later in life I became an atheist. xD
@@DominusTheOne Just to point out that's not how the Trinity works, least as far as can be understood about it. The Trinity of the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit are three persons in one being, there is nothing that has more then one person in one being except for God which is why out understanding and rational for it breaks down, even the supernatural beings don't have such which makes it incomprehensible, God does not select an appearance and personality, but is all three at once, they are both inseparable and distinct, and in form serve separate roles actively, distinctly, and deliberately, they operate both independently and in accordance with each other perfectly. (without ever separating)
they send up smoke signals when they pick a new one as well, and ive heard they have a special chair where some poor bastard has to fondle the new guys balls to make sure he has em.
@@remnantofthefirstworld2930 Im fairly sure that one is a myth, but the legend is too funny not to spread. For bonus points, there has been more than one pope who tried to hand the position off to one of their sons they produced with a local prostitute. They also did try having a super pious pope once, but all the guy did was eat bread and water and talk about how holy it was to eat bread and water, the was possibly assassinated.
@@sirapple589 There is a very, very long list of dodgy popes, if you google 'popes gone bad' you will get a lot of articles. Pope Stephen VI had his predecessor dug up and put on trial, and apparently spent a bit of time yelling at the corpse for good measure. Pope Alexander VI had a lot of kids, I think he was one of the ones who tried to pass it one to one of them. Also said to have had orgies in the vatican. Honestly, its a long list.
That's the same logic that says you'll go to hell for playing Doom. You know, the famously pro-demon game Doom. Which has absolutely no actions condemning demons or devils in it.
I have faith that the majority of you will keep the comments civil. No personal attacks or bigotry. I won't hesitate to delete offensive posts, or ban repeat offenders.
Agreed you shouldn't go after someone because of their religious beliefs after all was raised in a Christian family with atheist for most of my life and now I believe in my own thing which is literally just the black emptiness that exist outside of the universe but everyone is entitled to believe what they want
Ah, Fort Poik, the root of all evil in Zach's life. That biology teacher's lesson is VERY important and should always be kept in mind. Critical thinking is important. Sunday service, had that near the end of my basic training, the last time I attended a full church service myself.
Oh man, I remember in AP Biology in a public school being told that: "We probably didn't come from apes, so we are going to read some passages from the bible" And even then as a huge Baptist kid was thinking "Hmmmm..... this seems.... incorrect"
I would have lost my shit and done my best to get the teacher fired… correction: I actually did this when something similar happened. A teacher was telling us that homosexuality doesn’t exist, and that those people are just possessed. I got the whole class to walk out. We refused to go to school until the teacher was fired.
i mean technically speaking we didn't come from apes, we had a shared ancestor. I don't remember if it was homo habilis or before that the evolutionary split happened tho
Man, I aspire to have this kind of friendship or conversation "It's actually two chromosomes that got fused together" "WHICH ONES?" "The 2nd and 3rd ones" "AMAZING" "HOW DO YOU KNOW?" "Inactive telomeres" "OH MY GOD" *both laugh*
I was told that certain attractions were actually possession by demons. Then when I was a teenager and had those exact attractions, I realised either being possessed by demons felt a lot like a standard Wednesday morning, or maybe that wasn't a thing.
I remember my "Losing my Religion" moment. My mother told me that she wanted to baptize me Catholic and when to the local church to have it done. Well, my father was one of those long-haired hippy types and the priest outright refused, citing my father. My mother asked if he really was going hold the sins of the father against me. And he said yes. So my mother went on to threaten him, saying "...if anything happens to my child, I'm going to hold you personally responsible" and was getting ready to leave. At that point, he caved and baptized me.
@Elijah Lawson I’m a Catholic and I assure you, this is not the norm, the vast majority of priests are not like this. And to the original poster, I would recognize don’t base life changing moments and personal doctrine on a single incident, that is a lesson for life.
I think my “losing my religion” experience was when my dad became ill and passed away. He was 62, never smoked a day in his life and was a volunteer firefighter for 44 years. He developed a disease called Pulmonary Fibrosis. It pretty much suffocated him for 3 years and hospitalized him for his last 3 months. No amount of hopes and prayers did anything for him. He needed a double lung and liver transplant to survive, but when the found a donor, the organs were no good and would have killed him. He spent his last 72 hours unconscious with a tube down his throat to make him breathe in the hopes to find another donor. They never found one in time and had to pull the plug because after 72 hours he would never be able to live off of a breathing tube.
When I was very young, I nearly died in a fire. I was like ten months old, and my volunteer firefighter neighbor pulled me out of a burning house. I can't do anything for your dad, but please, if you're going to know anything, know this: I don't know who you are. I don't know where you live. I didn't know your father, but for 44 years, he put his life on the line to save people he didn't have to save, and it's possible one of those people was me. For that, I'll remember your story, and through that, I'll remember your father.
I'm atheist but the "I lost my religion when someone dear to me who was a good person die of cancer" is kinda bullshit ish, it tells that you were lied into religion or that you never cared enough to understand it. Because the bible never says "Your dears won't suffer as long as you worship me", most of the time it's the opposite. No offense. In my case I learned that I should be happy for them since they will reunite with their dear ones and live happy forever, I just became atheist when I considered how many religions are out there, how unlikely is the existence of a God and the fact that even if it does exists it would be hardly be remotely similar to the Christian one.
I lost my religion when my pastor had a secret polygamous relationship against his own teachings and then murdered his pregnant second partner. Craziest part is he wasn't arrested till nearly 2 years after the murder.
Many pastors take advantage of peoples belief in them as “prophets of God”. While many do good and practice Christianity in the right way. Many use they’re position to abuse people. Part of the reason I choose to practice on my own.
@@danielfigueredo5194 That's one of the main reasons why I have such disdain for Christianity, honestly, and why I DON'T have that same disdain for Christians. Organized religion is kinda fucked, and attracts a lot of rotten people. On the other hand, quietly practicing it with your family or, at most, your small community? If it gives you peace of mind and gives you a purpose, and if it DOESN'T work to make you unnecessarily nasty (i.e. homophobia), more power to you, I hope you have a wonderful experience with it.
I appreciate how candid and civil this conversation was. I am grateful that when I was young I was able to bring up questions and concerns about religion without being snubbed. In fact, I was encouraged to ask questions and find truth. Many people might disagree with my faith, and I can understand some of their concerns but I always appreciate it when people can discuss their beliefs openly and not hate each other for it.
I think that there are things the various denominations really need to improve. Prayer is good, but Christians should always remember that they are called to serve God and should be ready and willing to help a neighbor in need. St. Paul chastised an entire church because they would only go through the motions. If your neighbor is struck with a natural disaster then you do everything in your power to help, instead many Christians continue to refuse the tasks God gives them and warm the bench instead.
@@sentientbattleship1882 There's many who don't read or think about the passages, and often the most vocal and outraged are the least faithful of any group who are projecting their own vices and failures. The Bible is very explicit in how you shouldn't just give lip service, that's one of the largest things Christ himself teaches against. Hospitals as they're conceived of in the modern day actually come largely from the Christian practice of hospitality and the Order of Saint John, aka Knights Hospitallers/Knights of Malta/Knights of Rhodes. You are supposed to tend to the pilgrim, the neighbor, and the gentile alike. Love thy enemy. Though, do not surrender yourself or leave your home to be taken by those who do not come in good faith. After all, before she became repentful and turned to believe Christ turned away the woman who came to him for a miracle as she had been doing to all others, but when she earnestly asked of Jesus he swiftly gave his grace to her. The way the teacher in this video described being saved does not reflect the history or beliefs established in the Bible. Being saved is through forgiveness, it comes solely from without, from God. To receive forgiveness one must seek it and know he is by nature sinful, vile, detestable in the same way as the worst human. I really detest when people try to use being saved as a way to be morally superior as that is entirely the opposite of what the Bible teaches. Every Christian is just as impure as every other of man, from the most terrible monsters of the 20th century to the greatest Saint we are all quite immoral creatures who struggle greatly with sin. To think of a woman who is not your wife in the way of a spouse is to commit adultery, to covet is to commit robbery in the soul, there is no escape from it in the material world. There is no such thing as a truly good man for we are all stained by sin and we must be aware of that and control that and accept the Holy Spirit's help to be above it. Forgiveness comes through Jesus, and you must know him for otherwise he does not know you. Before Christ souls went to purgatory, a state suspended waiting to be saved, according to the Jewish belief that preceded him. The final judgement day comes at the end of the world when Jesus Christ descends from heaven to judge the living and the dead. Creationism in the anti-evolution sense is specific to the Evangelical branch that is a very recent version of Christianity. I can keep going on about how much of this is just... people who haven't really studied the Bible from different angles and thought about it only in the shallowest manner.
@@gravargen943 SAO Abridged is better than SAO you mean. Every character has deeper personalities, motivations, etc. Every character is more likeable than base Kirito. Even the villain's reasoning for why he did everything is so much better in abridged, being simultaneously understandable, relatable, believable, and also *so damn funny*
I've never understood that phrase. What good is praying for them going to do if whatever happens to them is "part of God's plan"? Your prayers will make absolutely zero difference.
My issue with “thoughts and prayer” these days is that I’m sure it was originally supposed to be packaged with actual, tangible aid; I mean, unless you can’t physically or monetarily, IMO
Y E S, SOMEONE GETS IT, this is the same thing I think of when I hear people refusing medical aid because of their faith. GOD GAVE US THE ABILITY TO MAKE MEDICINES AND DO SURGERY.
Well praying to God is doing something as one is appealing to God for someone's struggle. And if you're a Christian and believe in God asking him for help seems to make a lot of sense. However Christians are also called to provide for the physical needs of others because though physical/emotional pain is temporary in the long run it still matters and the church would appear hypocrites if we didn't help people's physical needs and only talked about their spiritual needs. In practice my church and most others tend to either hold special collections or have special ministries that help with disaster relief or with people in the church losing their jobs etc. Well also having our prayer teams pray for them. In short Christians are supposed to do both in one capacity or another. Edit: the primary reason why we would give to others is love the whole not seemingly hypocrites is more for those who focus way too much on spiritual needs and need to be kind of woken up.
Personally I agree with what another comment said, that I fall into same belief as Joshua Graham "I pray for the safety of all good people who come to Zion, even Gentiles, but we can't expect God to do all the work." Prayer is good for the mind and soul, but we should still be expected to take up job of fixing our wrongs, not god
I went to a Catholic high school, and we were taught (briefly) about evolution. Our science teacher wasn't Catholic, but still had to follow the rules, so she was able to teach us the basics, tell us to do some of our own research outside of class, and that was pretty much it. I think we only spent a few days on the subject, definitely no more than a week.
God is the only "God" Jesus Christ is the only son of a "God" born by divine conception as a Human and in Human form which is why he was able to take the sins of humanity. The Holy spirit is the total Summation of all 9 gifts God gave to EVERY man on the day of Pentecost when the apostles were covered in cloven tongues of fire and spoke in tongues in languages they themselves didn't understand.
Yeah same. I don't know why, but the video title made me think "So does this guy have other rants like this implies?" Yup. If I'm ever on Louisiana, I will be sure to avoid Ft. Polk.
Guys I'm the same I'm so glad I found these. Hearing the story about the anger management in fort Polk and I couldn't breathe from laughing. Boys keep it up !
I remember my first time clashing with religious authorities in my life. I was four or five years old and in a catholic kindergarten and was getting increasingly annoyed having to sing the same boring church songs every day and kept complaining and asking why we couldn't sing something fun for a change. So after enough whining and mutilating gods praise with the crudest lyrics my little child brain could come up with the nun finally gave in. "Okay, what would you like us to sing instead?" she asked. Now, chance would have it that I had visited my uncle a few weeks prior and had found a simple little music box that played a melody I really liked and when my father saw that, he taught me the lyrics to go with it, which I also really liked, even if I didn't really understand them. So, when I was asked to present my alternative music choice I was happy as a clam, I had a good song at the ready, and once everyone knew there was actually stuff that was fun to sing we surely would never have to sing praise-bes that were the acoustic pendant of a dead fishs stare again. So, I started singing: "So come brothers and sisters For the struggle carries on The Internationale Unites the world in song" Thats about as far as I got before I was dragged out of the room by an enraged nun who demanded I'd tell her where I had learned this song, and the answer "From my Dad" did nothing to calm her down.
TL;DR: Got in trouble in catholic kindergarten for singing a communist anthem
I can just imagine like when she asked you about the song a movie camera is on her than pans to you and you have a russian hat on, a AK strapped to your shoulder and holding a bottle of vodka
@@Tired-Merc you arent taught basic knowledge and what you are taught is either incorrect or talked about like you only need to know it cause the "heretics" put it on the test. But they do teach math correctly
@@Tired-Merc i study in a catholic school and they teach us science all the time the teachers are not restricted to the believes of the church. However i have 2 teachers in a bible lesson saying the word of God "teaching" us values but they themselves don't follow them just a couple of hypocrites.
"We put the 'fun' back into fundamentalism." That immediately made me think "That had to be a line on The Simpsons at some point." And, of course, it was: Episode 79, on the sign for Springfield Christian School: "We put the 'fun' in fundamentalist dogma." Not exactly the same, but close enough.
At my Sunday School, I was always used as the example of a sinner to the other children. I was also the only one that always questioned things and said "Nah, I'm not doing that" when asked to do important religious things
Yea their is this weird amount of conformity, but religion was not founded on conformity it was literally the opposite. You should praise children for exploring their religion, guide them and answer their questions and concerns. Let them find religion on their own because if they do their faith will be infinitely stronger because through all adversity they still found a faith rather then people who were indoctrinated and cower at the slightest amount of question or challenges to their beliefs.
You had some horrible teachers. Using you as an example of a "sinner" is very ironic considering they themselves are sinners, as is every human being, and in fact by pointing at you as an example they are committing a sin, judging you for no other reason than "you don't listen to them". I hate nothing more than when people use my faith as a cover for their shitty behavior, and a justification for their pride. Makes my blood boil, and it turns people away from the faith.
I am lucky that the church I grew up in encouraged thoughtfulness in our faith instead of completely blind loyalty to doctrine. Things like evolution were discussed thoughtfully and impartially and I was never made to feel as if my faith was any lesser for believing in science over the writings of people who died over 2000 years ago. I know that if I had been met with denial and anger instead of discussion and debate I would have lost my faith a long time ago.
Same. Its makes much more sense to actually answer a question than to say heretic or start fighting with someone on a subject. If you don’t know the answer to someone’s science or Bible question just tell them you’ll do research and then come back and ANSWER their questions lol
@@noble_ace9470 AYEEEEE YEAH THIS IS WHATCHA DO When someone asks me about evolution, I provide "Maybe, maybe not, but I prefer not" and explain it as adaptation to the environment.
Amen. Mine is very similar. From what I've seen is that micro evolution (within a species having different subsections like different races of people) but macro evolution (chimp to human) isn't as much of a thing
We also have a rather odd viewpoint about being "religious" as a term. Being a part of a religion and being religious are very different things. The Pharisees were very religious and followed it to a t, but they did it for themselves and to show "how religious they were" or whatever. A lot of them, at least from what i've read, werent great people, but they were religious. and at least from what ive interpereted, Jesus really wasnt, or not nearly to the same degree. His teachings were more about the connection with your neighbor and your connection with god, and if you had those, most everything else would fall into place.
"I'm pretty sure that happened at some point." You have no idea. The tension and outright violence between people vying for the title of pope is quite something. Look up pope fights, you'll be informed and amused. Also possibly disappointed in the church.
There was one Pope that held a trial for a dead Pope because the body, which was thrown into a river, was said to be performing miracles in the place that it washed up. He was sentenced to death for heretical witchcraft(iirc). Sam O'nella has a video on it.
having gone to a Jewish private school myself I feel so bad since we would have entire classes of torqh study where our Rabbi would throw away the entire lesson plan for the day since one student would ask a question and we would discuss it for the entire time. I even changed an entire slide and added an opinion to my Rabbi's slideshow that he still uses to this day. I weep for your religious school experience.
That’s something that I feel christians don’t understand about Jews. Doing philosophy is a big part of how we worship. I’m still salty about the time I was called an Atheist by a Christian for criticising Soloman’s heavily monarchistic philsophical system.
When I was learning evolution I remember my teacher word for word saying. 'I don't care what your religion is or what your beliefs are but this is my job and it's just something that you need to be taught.' But that same teacher did eat dog food out of a can to prove a point.
In the Old Testament they would tie a rope around the high priest's leg in case he died from unconfessed sins in the most Holy part of the tabernacle. They'd listen for a thud and pull the body out if it happened. The hammer's tame next to that.
Ended up losing my faith when my dad, who at this point wasnt doing good mentally was being taken advantage of by the local churches. It got so bad to the point when he eventually was not near those churches anymore he fell into a deep depression for about a month literally didnt leave his chair and when he finally got up he was essentially a zealot on a warpath claiming he'd purge the town in the name of the rightous lord. This eventually came to it's peak when he took his truck and my little brother while I was at college and slamming his truck into several police vehicles and being arrested. Thankfully it seems the jailtime is helping at least somewhat as he's been able to get help
Here's how I've heard the father the son and holy ghost be explained as one god. The Father (as in the creator of all things) The Son (The manifestation of his will on earth) and The Holy Ghost (His vigilance and omnipotence). That's how it was explained to me and how I understand it.
Christian traditions/churches that believe in the Holy Trinity are termed Tri-Monotheistic; thats the technical answer Zack was looking for. Catholicism holds this to be a mystery of faith; essentially, “There is only 1 God and the Creator/Father, Jesus, and Holy Spirit are God but these claims are seemingly contradictory. Since we know these claims are undeniably true (via divine revelation, Jesus, Bible, etc.), our reasoning that there is a contradiction must be at fault.”
It ain't the most difficult problem to resolve, with Moksha and such providing a decent template (or the idea that existence itself is the true manifestation of divinity). Nevertheless it's the point which seems to cause the biggest rifts, whilst me as a agnostic am just sitting here wondering how people can speak with such conviction about the characteristics of a supposedly omnipotent being. God apparently knows and controls all, but is suddenly unable to inhabit three different beings? Like DID is something humans struggle with, so for God it ought to be easy.
I swear the fact that you can put Jedi on your dogtags is goddamn hilarious to me and will never get old. I've seen pictures of some people who got Pastafarian on their tags. Personally I'd want Dudeism on mine.
Nice! I actually am a registered Dudeist priest. Haven’t ever used it, but it fun that if your county recognizes it as valid, you can legally marry people.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that’s considered “what if you whack the pope too hard with the pope checker???” And as a Christian person I hope people don’t give you guys crap for your beliefs. I know we get a bad rep for that, deservedly, when people don’t remember how we’re supposed to treat people. Thanks for the laugh!
As long as THEY don't call us stupid, I'm fine letting it sit. We'll know who was right when we're six feet under, so why fight about it and waste the time before then?
The religion/atheism internet wars were most intense during the 'aughts. Now it's mellowed out, and society has found a new political battleground to fight over - I think it's Social Justice that's the contentious hot topic right now.
Lmao I remember my recruiter telling me I was gonna be religious in basic, and I thought “Is it that bad?”. Until I was in basic and realized it was because that was the only peace I’d get until the next Sunday.
if some one says "Don't ask question" they are untrustworthy because they either have no answer or they are liers if some one is religious i recommend for them to ask questions about things and find an answer so they are ready to answer other peoples questions and not dismiss people.
My first time becoming somewhat disenfranchised with religion was somewhat similar to Zach's. I've always been a curious person and when I was little I'd always ask questions. I got legitimately kicked out of a Catholic Scripture class when I was five because I was asking too many questions that the teacher couldn't answer. These days I chalk that experience up to the teacher just being really shit, because hey, if you can't answer a five year old's questions you probably shouldn't be teaching.
Man, think about how easily Mike could have grown up to be a raging homophobe if his dad hadn't acted the way he did. Like, it's just complete luck that his dad was a decent person who influenced Mike to not be a mindless parrot. God bless your dad, Mike.
@John Doe Disagreeing with the immutable soon becomes dehumanising others. "Don't ask, don't tell" was a good example of how dreadful quiet homophobia easily can be.
I love hearing different viewpoints on religion. I'm kinda the opposite of the typical "Atheist growing up in a strict Religious Household" in that I was raised in an atheist household where religion was kinda looked down upon. I think that's why I gravitated towards religion more. At the end of the day, we're all products of our upbringing whether we realize or not. Many people who are born into a religion end up leaving because they were basically forced into it rather than choosing it. I don't know if anyone else grew up like I did, but it'd be cool to know. I think that people let a few bad religious people shape their perspective of a whole religion. First and foremost, people are people, and people can be dicks sometimes. People have flaws and bad days and differing opinions. For example with Christianity or Islam, you have billions of followers. It's literally impossible for all of those followers to be good people. Anyone can claim to follow a religion. Now whether they really do or not? Different question.
Hearing this is so weird. I'm orthodox and every Christianity teacher we had was always eager to explain *any* question regarding Christianity. And I legit mean any. I've never encountered the "no you're wrong, get out of the classroom" thing.
I was actually surprised as well to hear that too, i grew up Sunni islam and my teachers talked about how god created people and evolution and all that. There was never an anti-evolution thing because they discussed it when questioned about it.
I've had RE (religious education) teachers that have went to the point of assault against me, a particular time i can remember was when i was in my highschool year 9 (not sure what grade that would be) but were all given the bible's the old testament and the new one and the teacher was essentially a zealot so every kid was a drone for him answering with things like "god is great and the bible is the only book that man needs" till he got to me. I remember him asking what i thought about them and i simply replied with that they were good history books because it showed the political climate, what the housing situation was, what the culinary, situation was, the kind of currency used etc; he proceeded to press me on the religion of it all and cause at that time i was major into boxing and judo I knew I could fight ( and often would go looking for them back then) so i wasn't scared to speak my mind to him or anyone else so i called it all fairy nonsense to which he proceeded to try and assault me with a book and i proceeded to defend myself by knocking his two front teeth out and restraining him got kicked out of the school but made sure everyone knew why. I still see him today and he still gives me dirty looks but i laugh it off cause i know he never got the teeth fixed.
@@brendanmatrix6208 The "fairy nonsense" part might have been pushing a bit hard on the knife. I'd have said I had my doubts instead; if he initiates an attack then, you can say you had been hoping for a debate and be covered in case of retribution. Still, attacking you isn't okay and I appreciate why it was necessary to fight back.
Honestly, I love hearing you two talk about these kind of topics, because they're not polarizing or trying to push an agenda, but instead just express how you guys feel. I love the work both of you do and hope you can keep it up at time ticks on.
I really appreciated this. I admit that as a Christian (albeit a slightly smaller church, especially compared to something like Catholicism or some of the larger Protestantism denominations) my entire, relatively inexperienced life, I kinda hesitated to click on this video, but I appreciated the tact and honesty shown. I honestly can't blame either of you for leaving your churches. I especially liked the whole "do your own research" point that was brought up, as I also did that myself and saw others do that in their lives with ultimately good results. Hope you guys take care and keep up the good work with the videos.
It saddens me to hear of what you guys went through and learned, especially since I'm a Christian. I really hated that you guys were just given cookie cutter answers or outright ignored, cause I do believe there are good answers to what you asked. If you ever have any interest or wanted to just ask questions to a Christian that will take you seriously, feel free to message me. Love your guys content, keep it up and God bless you.
Exactly, I mean there's been probably thousands of books and treatises on nigh every problem (save for personal ones) they mentioned. Yet many religion teachers seem less unable to read into such things, but unwilling. And it hurts not just the Church, but all christians as a whole.
as someone who went to a catholic elementary school and immediately became a huge science nerd once i had young science teachers who were willing to teach evolution and such, Mike's reaction to finally learning about evolution and science is SO relatable
As a Christian I would like to apologize. Most of the time people lose their region due to incompetent churches. Churches are good for many things if done right. During Katrina, my church did food drives, donations, and started the youth group on habitats for humanity which build houses for the homeless. They properly document where every penny they receive from donations and where it goes and display it prominently. They reached out when my dad was sick, they supported me through tough times and love everyone despite their beliefs or factors. I saw a blind me get brought to the stage from the congregation and allowed to say how much he appreciated us all. That is Christianity, Love, forgiveness, and tolerance. Anyone who says otherwise is false prophets. And if you're wondering about all the wired stuff about the bible, please understand that the bible is written by a bunch of people over hundreds of years. And translated like a dozen times. And a lot of the weird stuff from the old testaments got negated from Jesus's death and resurrection.
My theory the change of christianity came from the uprising of the kkk and the first colonizers spreading a hateful draconian version of christianity so what you embody is the true religion and what it was meant to be and what is popular now is the devil controlled crowds and greedy priests
@@matthewmcdonald1812 The KKK has been dismanatled for at least 50 years, yes the first settlers were puritanical but they sought to have the same power that the catholic church had on new lands they were not that different from europeans and yet american christendom seems to you like this huge boogeyman, this stinks of an political statement to blame the groups you dont like, christianity has suffered because society values have suffered, how the hell is a priest supposed to be incorruptable when he has been raised in a society which values profits, social status and little else, the problem isnt these boogeyman the problem is the society in which they exist.
@@lelagrangeeffectphysics4120 the kkk still exists and has leaders David duke is still alive and they did an interview with the grand wizard recently you cant be making this stuff up. Christianity is ultimately a good thing but the version most common is a version that excludes all who Jesus sought to rise such as homosexuals, trans, or even racially motivated segregation. Puritans were also a group of people who actively sought out others who they considered "against god" albeit not actually killing them but abusing them for straying away from their core beliefs. and yes its a boogeyman because people have made it that way the priests today are as likely to be reaching for your wallet as they are to be spreading the word of god. in regard existence of mega and super churches they are a prime example of how far modern Christianity has strayed from the bible and its beliefs take your sorry ass and read the bible and see what people cherry pick and exclude from the bible because here's an already common misconception, jesus never says to belittle or berate someone for their choices he says to let live and be the better man never stone or damn someone to hell, give up your dumbass illusion that today's corruption is something so little as me choosing a side and hating on a group because someone told me to. having experienced White, Asian, and Black churches and what they taught me especially how segregated and untrue to the bible the white church was but how racists gather under the cross for their own benefit for a future they wish to lead with an iron fist and I cant stand reading comments like yours where the history of the church is overwritten for no reason other than to make light of the church's failures, good Christians still exist but how much can a small group of people with little to no power show in the face of the treacherous hellscape that is modern day Christianity.
@@matthewmcdonald1812 The KKK is probably the most disfunction and disenfranchised organization I've seen at this point. What I've seen is there is a bunch of smaller sects just floating around everywhere which can be called KKK groups but they are at odds with each other[at least in Michigan]
I don't know why a lot of theses stories sounds like something that was snuffed from a Monty Python film that was rejected cause it was waytoo funny, theses campfire stories. Gets my funny feelings going!
The entirety of Ft. Polk sounds like a Monty Python skit. The sheer incompetence of the people just from the stories Zack has told is on par with retail management and it's both hilarious and depressing
@@sorinsilverheart3200 The thing retail and the military have in common is they're both bureaucracies, so they both naturally breed incompetence at the top level.
That discussion about Christianity was one of the most relaxed, non-aggressive discussions I've ever heard and it made me want to sit and talk about it with both of you
Honestly, what made me an atheist was my experience in the education system, I was bullied heavily, by supposed Christians and Muslims, had the teachers turn their backs on me, apparently good, faithful religious people who left a defenceless child to have their mental and physical state destroyed by their peers and that's when I lost my faith, the people who were supposedly meant to be peaceful and caring were monstrous brutes that took pleasure in hurting others, and after getting into history, I found thousands of versions of this throughout history and questioned how in god's fucking name can people do this and claim to be good people because of their religion That's how I lost my faith, and it will never come back, the damage has been done.
I have two formative religious stories that always stuck with me. One, when I was 13, there was a girl who I really really liked, who I found out later was atheist. I countered that with "But that means you'll go to hell!", and she was obviously completely unphased by it. As someone who's greatest fear for a long time was hell, that really stuck with me and she was the first person that made me start truly losing my religion. Another time in high school, there was some sort of event going on that left me, one other student, and my gym/health class teacher in the room together just kinda waiting on the clock. At some point we started discussing religion, and the teacher started talking about how his view of God is not that he is some sort of divine entity, but rather just way the universe moves so to speak. I.E. instead of a person in control, he sees God as whatever forces are driving this world forward, more or less. I for the life of me could not reconcile the idea of someone subscribing to a Christian type of religion, but interpreting it in such a way as to be completely counter to the fundamental ideas of God being the ultimate power in control, but rather everything is chaos but is happening for a reason. I was atheist by then so I wasn't offended, so much as just absolutely fascinated by the way he interpreted things, and that's always stuck with me. Anyway if you read all this, thanks for listening to my TED talk
Oh yeah my faith was not at all strong. I grew up basically being made afraid of hell, but I never had much faith outside of saying I did to not go to hell. I just find that story a little funny these days I guess.
I know Im late to comment but i thought I would say on the topic of religion. You two have been a light in alot of peoples lives including my own. Even if you don't believe in anything you have helped alot by just being who you are. And at the end of the day as long as you hold that in your heart and be the best "you" can be, I believe it doesn't matter what you believe. Sorry to get corny but you guys are soo amazing and relatable. If there is an afterlife i hope we all get to experience together the same fun we do right now.
No, both the catholic and eastern orthodox churches believe in the trinity. The schism was more over the authority of the pope and the worship of icons.
@@tomcrago9631 www.oca.org/questions/teaching/the-trinity "Thus we have always and everywhere God the Father, the Son of God who comes as Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. In the Orthodox Church we confess that these three are not three competitive gods, divided, and separated from each other. On the contrary we believe that the Father, who is the Source of all that exists, always has His Son and His Spirit who are not creatures, Who were not made like everything and everyone else, but Who exist eternally with Him; from, in and by His very own divine being."
@@tomcrago9631 No. Also, what the Toaster of death said is also wrong. The schism happened over difference in the Greek Rite, and the Latin Rite, as well as the Catholics adding in the Symbol(?), basically the prayer with the basic tenets, that the Holy spirit also comes from the Son, which wasn't by any Ecumenical council, but rather the pope being too big for his Breeches. Also, that was the BIG schism, there were smaller schisms before that. Also, I am Orthodox, just to give context of what view I have, and the Catholics are basically heretics, and the pope claims power over Dogma that he doesn't have, never had, and never will have. That is at least my view. Of course a lot of the actual reason for the schism was about the Jurisdictions that the pope was trying to claim, that traditionally had belonged to the Patriarch of Constantinople.
The trinity is something thats very confusing and honestly not a huge deal in general. Like not understanding it won’t stop you from going to heaven or anything
@@librarianseth5572 Hey, if you locked me in a room and told me my only two options were to either watch something I hàted or read a math or science textbook, my response is always going to be "Welp, time for a study session."
I used to wholeheartedly believe in God, and I also believe in science. I used to rationalize the stories in the Bible with science, and when I shared my views, I was told to be silent. I stayed silent about what I believed in, and my mother mistook it for nonbelief, so she had missionaries come almost daily. They were so persistent, even texting me while I was IN CLASS. I am now an ath**st but I still have a lot of respect for religions.
I have faith in Christ. Religion is made by man and is imperfect. I too believe science and faith are compatible and should not be shunned. Thank you for being tolerant despite your past. ❤️
@@falloutboy9993 that's the best answer. i think putting a man in a situation where he has to explain and understand god is like puting an elementary kid to explain nuclear physics, they may understand at some point a part of it but never the whole deal, and even that small part may be wrong
Bro I feel you, most of what I know about my faith, and the reason I am still Catholic is because I did a shit ton of researching all of my questions. The Church, and many protestants, do a shit job of teaching the faith.
@@thethirdsicily4802 yeah tell me about it. There is a lot of answers and interesting theology that never get exposed if you don't look for them. If all you got is "Jesus loves you" and "Go to Mass every Sunday" without a proper explanation why anyways - then I absolute understand why someone just goes away.
@@thethirdsicily4802 Unfortunately brother, not every priest is as well trained and educated as the Jesuits (a.k.a. the Catholic storm troopers of theological debates). It is, however, always comforting to see that questions we ask ourselves were asked before and debated over the centuries.
@@VindicAlpha that is true, while the Society of Jesus has fallen from its original place as the masters of theological debate, I’m just glad that we have the things they debated about
You lose your faith because of others actions? Do you have so little faith that you cannot handle other human beings making mistakes? I’ve heard of this before and I’ll tell you here, realize that religion is a hammer and the believer is the one who wields the hammer, when the believer uses the hammer for wrong what do you do? Blame the hammer? What if a drunk driver crashed and kills someone, do you blame the car or the driver? Not all Christians are the same nor are all Christians perfect, but why? Because Christians are still humans and just like there’s some humans who aren’t the best, there’s also some Christians who aren’t the best. Some Christians would’ve loved to answer questions, have debates, and here other people’s beliefs without attacking them for it. I suggest you base your beliefs on what you believe and not the beliefs or actions of others. If you had other reasons ok, but this shouldn’t be a reason.
I honestly love this because it's not polarizing antagonistic. I mean I grew up Catholic and genuine conversations like this I've honestly always enjoyed
Oh I felt that whole Sunday BCT segment, up in Fort Lost in the Woods one Sunday our Drill SGT has to go for a meeting to discuss how they were going to do our Blue Phase, since the weather was basically Thor being pissed off for a good two weeks. So they had the Corporal who was in charge of supplies take us out to the Christian service. Well apparently he parked his car there and decided to leave us there while he went for Mickey D’s and asked us what we all wanted. We pooled whatever cash we had on us and have it to him, he went for us the goods and made us go into a clearing in the woods and ate there. When we got back we came up with an excuse that the corporal wanted to talk to the pastor about god and such which is why we took so long coming back. Got away clean, we made sure to pay the guy back buy going out on our Day off and getting him a G-Shock watch.
My bible study teacher had a pretty valid argument to the polytheistic or monotheistic topic. She told me to think of how my dad is a father, a husband, and an assistant principal. My dad has three titles but he isn’t three different people.
This is by far the best channel on TH-cam. You guys turn a 12 hour night shift into something I look forward to. I’ve seen the New Vegas playlist probably 15 times by now. Never gets old. Zach you are fucking hilarious you two keep up the good work
big one for me was when i was baptized the whole church went on and on about how its amazing and you form a connection with god enlightenment etc. and then i got baptized and there was nothing. i was very religious before that and the total lack of any actual spiritual experience i had been looking forward to so long shattered the illusion for me. after that i started questioning things and the unanswered questions just piled up until being forced to go to church twice a week was just enraging. i hated the whole experience as i saw the lies and hypocrisy and had learned the brutal history. i considered it a crime against me my parents the other kids and everyone in church akin to lobotomizing them but one i wasn't allowed to speak up about and was forced to sit and watch. the feeling built up until my parents finally stopped forcing me to go, since then i've cooled off and i don't have that seething hatred i just pity those trapped in the abusive cases of religion and wish everyone the best whatever they believe.
I swear, all of this was my experience with religion (Islam) years before I came out as trans and bisexual. I questioned everything and the dogmatic ideals that are forced upon you to conform to the Word or be labeled a heretic is why irked me. And then when I did come to terms with the former, I had already stopped believing because I had a run with people who condemned me for being Bi, let alone thr trans part,which made me super sad that something that I felt was out of my control was why people shunned me. But at least I'm much happier now. If you believe or don't, just know it's okay to be you unapologetically and with no regrets.
You know, I'm glad this turned out so civil. It did lead to me learning something, as I had no idea what transubstantion was until I looked it up. Thank you for all the interesting stuff you guys talk about.
Zach: A pastor got kicked out
Me: oh god no
Zach: He was embezzling money
Me: oh thank christ
*returns to ramrodding the most defenseless alterboy **_WHOS YOUR FATHER, WHOS YOUR FATHER_*
@@brovid-19 holy shit dude.
@@underscore_nick1344 no pun intended?
@@brovid-19 I have never been more caught off-guard by a comment before that's hilarious
@@brovid-19 Jesus fucking christ. I'm going to Hell for laughing at that. That's terrible.
So if Zach died at ft Polk would he get the hammer or would his Sargent say: stop sleeping and fix these guns, specialist we have 24 M4s start working
He would get the Sargent's saying and then the hammer, and then get smothered by the sargent. Then the sargent would reprimand Zach's dead body.
i can see that happening
I think the thought of fixing those guns would like revive him
Sargent: "DID I TELL YOU THAT YOU COULD DIE. COME BACK AND FIX THIS MONTH WORTH OF GUNS IN THREE DAYS."
I’m gonna need that sthoul of yoursth high sthpeed
“It’s the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit so it’s polytheistic right?”
“Well, I grew up with Drunk Mommy and Sober Mommy who are *COMPLETELY* different but I still only had one mom”
“Okay, point taken”
"you had parents?"
They sound like a cute couple
Dun dun dist
@@odstithink you know I'm fucked up in the head when I heard your comment as the pornhub community intro.
No joke I am an atheist and I never had real trouble with that question because I was rationalizing it before I became an aheist that It's like God is The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and "He" appears in whatever form he likes. Like..he's not "really" 3 entities, he just chooses an appearance and personality and that's how we view "Him" at each time. Yeah I was putting a lot of thought into it and trying to understand it, that's why later in life I became an atheist. xD
@@DominusTheOne Just to point out that's not how the Trinity works, least as far as can be understood about it.
The Trinity of the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit are three persons in one being, there is nothing that has more then one person in one being except for God which is why out understanding and rational for it breaks down, even the supernatural beings don't have such which makes it incomprehensible, God does not select an appearance and personality, but is all three at once, they are both inseparable and distinct, and in form serve separate roles actively, distinctly, and deliberately, they operate both independently and in accordance with each other perfectly. (without ever separating)
"The catcholic church has embraced the concept of religion."
No way, really?
I wouldn't have guessed it! Seems unrealistic!
*Nicolas Cage voice*
“Ya don’t saaaayy!!?”
Huh.... This whole time as a Catholic I had never even considered that we might be religious...
Reminds me of a Civ game
I mean looking at the current pope I could see how you'd be confused.
The second they brought up "what made you lose your religion?"
I immediately said to myself
"Fort Polk"
No true god would let that place stand I swear to a god that doesn't exist.
Yeah i dont understand people that say just pray for them.
Come on mike, this comment deserves a heart.
If anything it should reinforce your belief in god.. Cause that place is hell. Could be worse though, you coulda been sent to Ft.Hood.
@@deussalt8108 as an 11b with 2 years left in hood, you are correct
Evolution is just the epitome of the phrase "eh, good enough"
Eh this comment is good enough
Better is the enemy of good enough. Lady Luck and Mother Nature are the unsung dueling fates for mankind.
The nerve is a big one. I'm glad they brought it up. It shows just how ramshackled and randomly assembled we really all are.
It's also the epitome of, "Ah, the consequences of my own actions, so we meet again."
If it survives my jobs done, I dont care if it starts thinking about how weird it is to eat and breath through the same hole
Mike with a science textbook: So were dinosaurs a pre-war thing or a pre-pre-war thing
(Thank you for all the likes)
*feverishly flipping pages*
The answers have to be here, SOMEWHERE!
Meanwhile, Zach is over here like "They were an antediluvian thing."
@@mikeburnfire I read that in your exact voice oh god what's happening
A pre- pre-pre war thing
No it’s a pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre- war thin
"You know what they do when the Pope dies?"
What a wonderful start of the video.
they send up smoke signals when they pick a new one as well, and ive heard they have a special chair where some poor bastard has to fondle the new guys balls to make sure he has em.
@@jimboblordofeskimos They don't want another Pope Joan(Johanna) situation.
@@remnantofthefirstworld2930 Im fairly sure that one is a myth, but the legend is too funny not to spread.
For bonus points, there has been more than one pope who tried to hand the position off to one of their sons they produced with a local prostitute.
They also did try having a super pious pope once, but all the guy did was eat bread and water and talk about how holy it was to eat bread and water, the was possibly assassinated.
jimboblordofeskimos
What popes were those?
I want to know more.
@@sirapple589 There is a very, very long list of dodgy popes, if you google 'popes gone bad' you will get a lot of articles.
Pope Stephen VI had his predecessor dug up and put on trial, and apparently spent a bit of time yelling at the corpse for good measure.
Pope Alexander VI had a lot of kids, I think he was one of the ones who tried to pass it one to one of them. Also said to have had orgies in the vatican.
Honestly, its a long list.
My mom used to say that I’d go to hell for listening to Megadeth. Dude, everyone knows that Dave Mustaine is a Christian.
hmm, news here. Maybe he went to catholic school or something but .. eh wtvr.
@@wepntech in some interview he said he was fairly devote
That's the same logic that says you'll go to hell for playing Doom.
You know, the famously pro-demon game Doom.
Which has absolutely no actions condemning demons or devils in it.
Show her Skillet, I wanna know what her reaction would be
@@GweAnakJakarta I wouldn't recommend any activity that results in you having to add Skillet to your search history.
I have faith that the majority of you will keep the comments civil. No personal attacks or bigotry. I won't hesitate to delete offensive posts, or ban repeat offenders.
I didn't know you could ban people, how does it work?
@@marshalmarshall2109 I just mute them so all their comments become invisible across the channel.
@@marshalmarshall2109 A [Rocket Powered Sledge Hammer] that requires _STR 10_ to use.
Bring back the deathclaw
Agreed you shouldn't go after someone because of their religious beliefs after all was raised in a Christian family with atheist for most of my life and now I believe in my own thing which is literally just the black emptiness that exist outside of the universe but everyone is entitled to believe what they want
Ah, Fort Poik, the root of all evil in Zach's life.
That biology teacher's lesson is VERY important and should always be kept in mind. Critical thinking is important.
Sunday service, had that near the end of my basic training, the last time I attended a full church service myself.
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HOW
@@urodlivaya_suka black magic fuckery
@@urodlivaya_suka patreon
This was zachs personal hell 😂
Oh man, I remember in AP Biology in a public school being told that:
"We probably didn't come from apes, so we are going to read some passages from the bible"
And even then as a huge Baptist kid was thinking "Hmmmm..... this seems.... incorrect"
I would have lost my shit and done my best to get the teacher fired… correction: I actually did this when something similar happened. A teacher was telling us that homosexuality doesn’t exist, and that those people are just possessed.
I got the whole class to walk out. We refused to go to school until the teacher was fired.
@@lordinquisitor6651
Is there a news story about this? Sounds hilarious.
" because we are not from Europe , we are not going to learn about ww1 e ww2. Let's read The bible".
i mean technically speaking we didn't come from apes, we had a shared ancestor. I don't remember if it was homo habilis or before that the evolutionary split happened tho
@@Thetiredpotato11 you’re kinda wrong humans are a type of ape still
These never get old.
You’re both incredibly interesting people.
The way you two bounce off each other is fantastic.
Honestly there probably one of the best duos on this whole platform
It really is the fact that the world will lose them both is where I get my exalstenal dread
@@willstew7336 Take advice from their loading screen video and try not to pay attention to the existential dread.
@@lsswappedcessna oh I was hoping to see this
Damn
Man, this is gonna be fun to see the comments open up on.
Why does this say 1 week ago
@@thehaunted4816 He received the chance to see the video before us.
Well ok can I pay with hook..... special friends?
Crack open a beer this is gonna be good
To quote the Salvation Army in Hellsing Abridged: its Adam and Eve, not Adam and another dude and they're having sex!
Man, I aspire to have this kind of friendship or conversation
"It's actually two chromosomes that got fused together"
"WHICH ONES?"
"The 2nd and 3rd ones"
"AMAZING"
"HOW DO YOU KNOW?"
"Inactive telomeres"
"OH MY GOD"
*both laugh*
me too 😭
@@novaglitch6197 time to become best friends then 🤝
@@SystemHazard sounds like a good time to me :D
@@SystemHazard oddball question but do you have discord? lol
I was told that certain attractions were actually possession by demons. Then when I was a teenager and had those exact attractions, I realised either being possessed by demons felt a lot like a standard Wednesday morning, or maybe that wasn't a thing.
Lol are you saying what I think you’re saying?
If you're a Saved Christian, you can't be possessed. Certain attractions are temptation, not possession, such as Porn for example
Eee.
Demons or alien souls
@@phantomaviator1318 But what is a saved christian?
I remember my "Losing my Religion" moment. My mother told me that she wanted to baptize me Catholic and when to the local church to have it done. Well, my father was one of those long-haired hippy types and the priest outright refused, citing my father.
My mother asked if he really was going hold the sins of the father against me. And he said yes. So my mother went on to threaten him, saying "...if anything happens to my child, I'm going to hold you personally responsible" and was getting ready to leave. At that point, he caved and baptized me.
That priest is really missing the point of baptism.
m8 I an actually sorry you had a shithead of a priest as your defining experience.
Wasn't there a line, somewhere in the bible, saying that father's sin doesn't get inherited by the son?
@@waltervoidbringer4491 I Dunno specifically but that's the entire point of a bar mitzvah, and for Christians, baptism
@Elijah Lawson I’m a Catholic and I assure you, this is not the norm, the vast majority of priests are not like this. And to the original poster, I would recognize don’t base life changing moments and personal doctrine on a single incident, that is a lesson for life.
I think my “losing my religion” experience was when my dad became ill and passed away. He was 62, never smoked a day in his life and was a volunteer firefighter for 44 years. He developed a disease called Pulmonary Fibrosis. It pretty much suffocated him for 3 years and hospitalized him for his last 3 months. No amount of hopes and prayers did anything for him. He needed a double lung and liver transplant to survive, but when the found a donor, the organs were no good and would have killed him. He spent his last 72 hours unconscious with a tube down his throat to make him breathe in the hopes to find another donor. They never found one in time and had to pull the plug because after 72 hours he would never be able to live off of a breathing tube.
When I was very young, I nearly died in a fire.
I was like ten months old, and my volunteer firefighter neighbor pulled me out of a burning house.
I can't do anything for your dad, but please, if you're going to know anything, know this:
I don't know who you are. I don't know where you live. I didn't know your father, but for 44 years, he put his life on the line to save people he didn't have to save, and it's possible one of those people was me. For that, I'll remember your story, and through that, I'll remember your father.
I am so sorry for your loss. RIP to your dad.
I'm atheist but the "I lost my religion when someone dear to me who was a good person die of cancer" is kinda bullshit ish, it tells that you were lied into religion or that you never cared enough to understand it. Because the bible never says "Your dears won't suffer as long as you worship me", most of the time it's the opposite. No offense.
In my case I learned that I should be happy for them since they will reunite with their dear ones and live happy forever, I just became atheist when I considered how many religions are out there, how unlikely is the existence of a God and the fact that even if it does exists it would be hardly be remotely similar to the Christian one.
Your father was a hero. I hope you're living happily.
Everyone in the comments: *really start to open up about personal religious stories*
Zach: *HAHA POPE HAMMER GO BAP*
Le bonk
BONK
*bonk*
We have the horny hammer. The pope has the holy hammer.
...Or maybe that is secretly the popes horny hammer.
Heehee Pope hammer go *bonk*
I lost my religion when my pastor had a secret polygamous relationship against his own teachings and then murdered his pregnant second partner. Craziest part is he wasn't arrested till nearly 2 years after the murder.
Well damn you've certainly lead an interesting life
Wacky
Holy shit
Many pastors take advantage of peoples belief in them as “prophets of God”. While many do good and practice Christianity in the right way. Many use they’re position to abuse people. Part of the reason I choose to practice on my own.
@@danielfigueredo5194 That's one of the main reasons why I have such disdain for Christianity, honestly, and why I DON'T have that same disdain for Christians.
Organized religion is kinda fucked, and attracts a lot of rotten people. On the other hand, quietly practicing it with your family or, at most, your small community? If it gives you peace of mind and gives you a purpose, and if it DOESN'T work to make you unnecessarily nasty (i.e. homophobia), more power to you, I hope you have a wonderful experience with it.
I appreciate how candid and civil this conversation was. I am grateful that when I was young I was able to bring up questions and concerns about religion without being snubbed. In fact, I was encouraged to ask questions and find truth. Many people might disagree with my faith, and I can understand some of their concerns but I always appreciate it when people can discuss their beliefs openly and not hate each other for it.
I think that there are things the various denominations really need to improve. Prayer is good, but Christians should always remember that they are called to serve God and should be ready and willing to help a neighbor in need. St. Paul chastised an entire church because they would only go through the motions. If your neighbor is struck with a natural disaster then you do everything in your power to help, instead many Christians continue to refuse the tasks God gives them and warm the bench instead.
@@sentientbattleship1882 There's many who don't read or think about the passages, and often the most vocal and outraged are the least faithful of any group who are projecting their own vices and failures.
The Bible is very explicit in how you shouldn't just give lip service, that's one of the largest things Christ himself teaches against.
Hospitals as they're conceived of in the modern day actually come largely from the Christian practice of hospitality and the Order of Saint John, aka Knights Hospitallers/Knights of Malta/Knights of Rhodes. You are supposed to tend to the pilgrim, the neighbor, and the gentile alike. Love thy enemy. Though, do not surrender yourself or leave your home to be taken by those who do not come in good faith. After all, before she became repentful and turned to believe Christ turned away the woman who came to him for a miracle as she had been doing to all others, but when she earnestly asked of Jesus he swiftly gave his grace to her.
The way the teacher in this video described being saved does not reflect the history or beliefs established in the Bible.
Being saved is through forgiveness, it comes solely from without, from God. To receive forgiveness one must seek it and know he is by nature sinful, vile, detestable in the same way as the worst human. I really detest when people try to use being saved as a way to be morally superior as that is entirely the opposite of what the Bible teaches. Every Christian is just as impure as every other of man, from the most terrible monsters of the 20th century to the greatest Saint we are all quite immoral creatures who struggle greatly with sin. To think of a woman who is not your wife in the way of a spouse is to commit adultery, to covet is to commit robbery in the soul, there is no escape from it in the material world. There is no such thing as a truly good man for we are all stained by sin and we must be aware of that and control that and accept the Holy Spirit's help to be above it. Forgiveness comes through Jesus, and you must know him for otherwise he does not know you. Before Christ souls went to purgatory, a state suspended waiting to be saved, according to the Jewish belief that preceded him. The final judgement day comes at the end of the world when Jesus Christ descends from heaven to judge the living and the dead.
Creationism in the anti-evolution sense is specific to the Evangelical branch that is a very recent version of Christianity.
I can keep going on about how much of this is just... people who haven't really studied the Bible from different angles and thought about it only in the shallowest manner.
@@sentientbattleship1882 "We can't expect God to do all the work" -Joshua Graham. Unironically this quote is very good advice for fellow Christians.
Mike's enthusiastic excitement for biology is honestly adorable
Mike himself is
10:10 onwards, sounds like a kid finding out about dinosaurus
"The good news is you don't have to wonder where your God is. Because he's right here! And he's fresh out of mercy."
Abriged Kirito is better than OG Kirito.
You can't change my mind!
@@gravargen943 SAO Abridged is better than SAO you mean. Every character has deeper personalities, motivations, etc. Every character is more likeable than base Kirito.
Even the villain's reasoning for why he did everything is so much better in abridged, being simultaneously understandable, relatable, believable, and also *so damn funny*
@@Izunundara The newest episode of SAO abridged was amazing.
"I will make your screams on my Spotify list!"
@@lthefifteenth661 Like Father, like Daughter...
Ares don't have mercy.
"Just pray for them." No, because you *can't expect God to do all the work.*
I see what you did there 😏
Want a 1911
The time for talk has passed.
@@Crazyeagle134 yes, please.
I've never understood that phrase. What good is praying for them going to do if whatever happens to them is "part of God's plan"? Your prayers will make absolutely zero difference.
Zach accidentally reopens a 1,000+ year old schism.
Classic Zach
What a goof
This was a hot button topic around the Council of Nicea, I'm happy to hear Zach is #Ariusgang
sounds like a tuesday to me
*insert holy war here*
My issue with “thoughts and prayer” these days is that I’m sure it was originally supposed to be packaged with actual, tangible aid; I mean, unless you can’t physically or monetarily, IMO
Y E S, SOMEONE GETS IT, this is the same thing I think of when I hear people refusing medical aid because of their faith. GOD GAVE US THE ABILITY TO MAKE MEDICINES AND DO SURGERY.
To my knowledge it was an epitaph added to packages of humanitarian aid back in the early 20th century.
Well praying to God is doing something as one is appealing to God for someone's struggle. And if you're a Christian and believe in God asking him for help seems to make a lot of sense. However Christians are also called to provide for the physical needs of others because though physical/emotional pain is temporary in the long run it still matters and the church would appear hypocrites if we didn't help people's physical needs and only talked about their spiritual needs. In practice my church and most others tend to either hold special collections or have special ministries that help with disaster relief or with people in the church losing their jobs etc. Well also having our prayer teams pray for them. In short Christians are supposed to do both in one capacity or another.
Edit: the primary reason why we would give to others is love the whole not seemingly hypocrites is more for those who focus way too much on spiritual needs and need to be kind of woken up.
@@michaelcianci2564 This, this is correct
Personally I agree with what another comment said, that I fall into same belief as Joshua Graham "I pray for the safety of all good people who come to Zion, even Gentiles, but we can't expect God to do all the work." Prayer is good for the mind and soul, but we should still be expected to take up job of fixing our wrongs, not god
I went to a Catholic high school, and we were taught (briefly) about evolution. Our science teacher wasn't Catholic, but still had to follow the rules, so she was able to teach us the basics, tell us to do some of our own research outside of class, and that was pretty much it. I think we only spent a few days on the subject, definitely no more than a week.
“Hot takes from Zach” that sounds like a good series
That's just zachs gun rants.
I'd love to watch more hot takes from Zach
“Christianity is polytheistic”
And thus Zach discovered the origin of the early christian schisms.
And then Justinian and Theodora had to deal with all that BS. It’s almost worse than the herd of Cats called the Holy Roman Empire
Well if you actually read the original hebrew bible....yeah it's polytheistic your just not supposed to worship the other gods
There's a whole lot of wes in genesis lol
God is the only "God"
Jesus Christ is the only son of a "God" born by divine conception as a Human and in Human form which is why he was able to take the sins of humanity.
The Holy spirit is the total Summation of all 9 gifts God gave to EVERY man on the day of Pentecost when the apostles were covered in cloven tongues of fire and spoke in tongues in languages they themselves didn't understand.
@@Nate-qf5zp damn weird that God never says he's the only god but the highest god in the bible
"You know, considering the Catholic church's history, I'm sure that happened at one point."
The Papacy during the Crusades: *nervous whistling*
Did any of the crusades actually succeed
@@kalebb1226 I think the first one did. The rest of 'em after that were just cash and land grabs. And then a trip to the Vatican.
@@swindle9695 Don't forget the anti-christ, the only moderately successful crusader after the failures that followed the first.
@@Ropetrick6 and then he got his crissen after he did it to well
@@Ropetrick6 and his was name was Fred.
Shameless plug for Jack Rackham.
Yeah it tends to be a bunch of small things, hence why when people have questions my church makes sure to answer as much as possible
I'm so happy my viewing of "zach's gun rant" resulted in me finding this video.
Yeah same. I don't know why, but the video title made me think "So does this guy have other rants like this implies?"
Yup. If I'm ever on Louisiana, I will be sure to avoid Ft. Polk.
@@devinpallone1840 fort Polk is where dreams go to die
Exactly how I got here too. And I've actually learned a lot about the military from these two. Most of it stupid, but some of it good.
Guys I'm the same I'm so glad I found these. Hearing the story about the anger management in fort Polk and I couldn't breathe from laughing.
Boys keep it up !
I remember my first time clashing with religious authorities in my life.
I was four or five years old and in a catholic kindergarten and was getting increasingly annoyed having to sing the same boring church songs every day and kept complaining and asking why we couldn't sing something fun for a change.
So after enough whining and mutilating gods praise with the crudest lyrics my little child brain could come up with the nun finally gave in.
"Okay, what would you like us to sing instead?" she asked.
Now, chance would have it that I had visited my uncle a few weeks prior and had found a simple little music box that played a melody I really liked and when my father saw that, he taught me the lyrics to go with it, which I also really liked, even if I didn't really understand them.
So, when I was asked to present my alternative music choice I was happy as a clam, I had a good song at the ready, and once everyone knew there was actually stuff that was fun to sing we surely would never have to sing praise-bes that were the acoustic pendant of a dead fishs stare again.
So, I started singing:
"So come brothers and sisters
For the struggle carries on
The Internationale
Unites the world in song"
Thats about as far as I got before I was dragged out of the room by an enraged nun who demanded I'd tell her where I had learned this song, and the answer "From my Dad" did nothing to calm her down.
TL;DR: Got in trouble in catholic kindergarten for singing a communist anthem
I can just imagine like when she asked you about the song a movie camera is on her than pans to you and you have a russian hat on, a AK strapped to your shoulder and holding a bottle of vodka
She must have had a fucking heart attack holy shit 💀
She probaly would crusifie You If she could.
😂 that’s a funny way to get a nun mad
OMEGA BASED
I was private catholic school my entire life I can confirm stories like this are true, while I keep my faith I can 100% see why people leave
ehh never was a man of faith, so never had private catholic school, how intreasting is it? if i may ask
@@Tired-Merc you arent taught basic knowledge and what you are taught is either incorrect or talked about like you only need to know it cause the "heretics" put it on the test. But they do teach math correctly
@starshipeleven thats a shame
@@mr.uncreative7174 atleast math is done right but thats horrible nonetheless
@@Tired-Merc i study in a catholic school and they teach us science all the time the teachers are not restricted to the believes of the church. However i have 2 teachers in a bible lesson saying the word of God "teaching" us values but they themselves don't follow them just a couple of hypocrites.
"We put the 'fun' back into fundamentalism." That immediately made me think "That had to be a line on The Simpsons at some point." And, of course, it was: Episode 79, on the sign for Springfield Christian School: "We put the 'fun' in fundamentalist dogma." Not exactly the same, but close enough.
At my Sunday School, I was always used as the example of a sinner to the other children. I was also the only one that always questioned things and said "Nah, I'm not doing that" when asked to do important religious things
Yea their is this weird amount of conformity, but religion was not founded on conformity it was literally the opposite. You should praise children for exploring their religion, guide them and answer their questions and concerns. Let them find religion on their own because if they do their faith will be infinitely stronger because through all adversity they still found a faith rather then people who were indoctrinated and cower at the slightest amount of question or challenges to their beliefs.
You had some horrible teachers. Using you as an example of a "sinner" is very ironic considering they themselves are sinners, as is every human being, and in fact by pointing at you as an example they are committing a sin, judging you for no other reason than "you don't listen to them".
I hate nothing more than when people use my faith as a cover for their shitty behavior, and a justification for their pride. Makes my blood boil, and it turns people away from the faith.
I am lucky that the church I grew up in encouraged thoughtfulness in our faith instead of completely blind loyalty to doctrine. Things like evolution were discussed thoughtfully and impartially and I was never made to feel as if my faith was any lesser for believing in science over the writings of people who died over 2000 years ago. I know that if I had been met with denial and anger instead of discussion and debate I would have lost my faith a long time ago.
Same. Its makes much more sense to actually answer a question than to say heretic or start fighting with someone on a subject. If you don’t know the answer to someone’s science or Bible question just tell them you’ll do research and then come back and ANSWER their questions lol
Exactly lol
@@noble_ace9470 AYEEEEE YEAH THIS IS WHATCHA DO
When someone asks me about evolution, I provide "Maybe, maybe not, but I prefer not" and explain it as adaptation to the environment.
Amen. Mine is very similar. From what I've seen is that micro evolution (within a species having different subsections like different races of people) but macro evolution (chimp to human) isn't as much of a thing
We also have a rather odd viewpoint about being "religious" as a term. Being a part of a religion and being religious are very different things. The Pharisees were very religious and followed it to a t, but they did it for themselves and to show "how religious they were" or whatever. A lot of them, at least from what i've read, werent great people, but they were religious. and at least from what ive interpereted, Jesus really wasnt, or not nearly to the same degree. His teachings were more about the connection with your neighbor and your connection with god, and if you had those, most everything else would fall into place.
"I'm pretty sure that happened at some point."
You have no idea. The tension and outright violence between people vying for the title of pope is quite something. Look up pope fights, you'll be informed and amused. Also possibly disappointed in the church.
Ah an OSP reference
@@jonathanhamilton6190 Maybe...
Oh why hide it? Yes.
There was one Pope that held a trial for a dead Pope because the body, which was thrown into a river, was said to be performing miracles in the place that it washed up. He was sentenced to death for heretical witchcraft(iirc).
Sam O'nella has a video on it.
POPE FIGHTS!
The dead body... Was sentenced to death. That uhh.. wow ok XD@@cantmatchthethatch1472
having gone to a Jewish private school myself I feel so bad since we would have entire classes of torqh study where our Rabbi would throw away the entire lesson plan for the day since one student would ask a question and we would discuss it for the entire time. I even changed an entire slide and added an opinion to my Rabbi's slideshow that he still uses to this day. I weep for your religious school experience.
That’s something that I feel christians don’t understand about Jews. Doing philosophy is a big part of how we worship. I’m still salty about the time I was called an Atheist by a Christian for criticising Soloman’s heavily monarchistic philsophical system.
I love jewdeism
@@dashiellgillingham4579 …. Your religions main cultural trait is arguing not surprising really
When I was learning evolution I remember my teacher word for word saying. 'I don't care what your religion is or what your beliefs are but this is my job and it's just something that you need to be taught.'
But that same teacher did eat dog food out of a can to prove a point.
What point?
@@GweAnakJakarta probably that dog food is actually safe for humans to eat, though... I'd have to say you'd need a cast iron stomach for that
@@theunlikelyhero123meh3 you need to have no sense of smell and taste.
That last part is some Mad Max shit.
@@theunlikelyhero123meh3 i mean that tracks nothing but respect to the commiment to the bit
That gag with the hammer made me laugh way more than it should have
In the Old Testament they would tie a rope around the high priest's leg in case he died from unconfessed sins in the most Holy part of the tabernacle. They'd listen for a thud and pull the body out if it happened. The hammer's tame next to that.
Ended up losing my faith when my dad, who at this point wasnt doing good mentally was being taken advantage of by the local churches. It got so bad to the point when he eventually was not near those churches anymore he fell into a deep depression for about a month literally didnt leave his chair and when he finally got up he was essentially a zealot on a warpath claiming he'd purge the town in the name of the rightous lord. This eventually came to it's peak when he took his truck and my little brother while I was at college and slamming his truck into several police vehicles and being arrested. Thankfully it seems the jailtime is helping at least somewhat as he's been able to get help
I love these campfire stories! Definitely helping me get through my hotel quarantine ❤
HOW DID YOU COMMENT THIS A WEEK AGO
@@misterbee6510 time travel
@@misterbee6510 patreon
Here's how I've heard the father the son and holy ghost be explained as one god.
The Father (as in the creator of all things)
The Son (The manifestation of his will on earth)
and The Holy Ghost (His vigilance and omnipotence). That's how it was explained to me and how I understand it.
Thats an astute explanation tbh
Yea that makes sense
Christian traditions/churches that believe in the Holy Trinity are termed Tri-Monotheistic; thats the technical answer Zack was looking for.
Catholicism holds this to be a mystery of faith; essentially, “There is only 1 God and the Creator/Father, Jesus, and Holy Spirit are God but these claims are seemingly contradictory. Since we know these claims are undeniably true (via divine revelation, Jesus, Bible, etc.), our reasoning that there is a contradiction must be at fault.”
It ain't the most difficult problem to resolve, with Moksha and such providing a decent template (or the idea that existence itself is the true manifestation of divinity).
Nevertheless it's the point which seems to cause the biggest rifts, whilst me as a agnostic am just sitting here wondering how people can speak with such conviction about the characteristics of a supposedly omnipotent being. God apparently knows and controls all, but is suddenly unable to inhabit three different beings? Like DID is something humans struggle with, so for God it ought to be easy.
I swear the fact that you can put Jedi on your dogtags is goddamn hilarious to me and will never get old. I've seen pictures of some people who got Pastafarian on their tags. Personally I'd want Dudeism on mine.
Nice! I actually am a registered Dudeist priest. Haven’t ever used it, but it fun that if your county recognizes it as valid, you can legally marry people.
It's the ultimate middle finger to religion - your foundations are equally as credible as mine.
And yet you cannot put "Norse" on them. That's bullshit.
Shame a lot of pagan faiths are such a hard sell for official identification in spite of allowing nerd references and tongue-in-cheek jokes.
@@alecmullaney7957 Reddit atheist moment
I’m glad I’m not the only one that’s considered “what if you whack the pope too hard with the pope checker???”
And as a Christian person I hope people don’t give you guys crap for your beliefs. I know we get a bad rep for that, deservedly, when people don’t remember how we’re supposed to treat people. Thanks for the laugh!
"Pope checker" should be the official name for "hammer" from now on
"oh, he's on the floor.. quickly get the Pope Checker"
@@2010AZ man that would certainly make my job interesting
As long as THEY don't call us stupid, I'm fine letting it sit. We'll know who was right when we're six feet under, so why fight about it and waste the time before then?
The religion/atheism internet wars were most intense during the 'aughts. Now it's mellowed out, and society has found a new political battleground to fight over - I think it's Social Justice that's the contentious hot topic right now.
Lmao I remember my recruiter telling me I was gonna be religious in basic, and I thought “Is it that bad?”. Until I was in basic and realized it was because that was the only peace I’d get until the next Sunday.
Ha, this made my chuckle.
if some one says "Don't ask question"
they are untrustworthy
because they either have no answer
or they are liers
if some one is religious i recommend for them to ask questions about things and find an answer
so they are ready to answer other peoples questions and not dismiss people.
Hellspoons original channel?
Astounding
My first time becoming somewhat disenfranchised with religion was somewhat similar to Zach's. I've always been a curious person and when I was little I'd always ask questions. I got legitimately kicked out of a Catholic Scripture class when I was five because I was asking too many questions that the teacher couldn't answer.
These days I chalk that experience up to the teacher just being really shit, because hey, if you can't answer a five year old's questions you probably shouldn't be teaching.
Out of curiosity what did you ask him
My mom had a similar experience at around 10 without the being kicked out part, she was just told to be quiet or else
Man, think about how easily Mike could have grown up to be a raging homophobe if his dad hadn't acted the way he did. Like, it's just complete luck that his dad was a decent person who influenced Mike to not be a mindless parrot.
God bless your dad, Mike.
What could have been.
Not exactly raging homophobe, but someone who disagrees with homosexuality
"He wasnt lucky, he was fortunate"
@Connor, the android sent by CyberLife It ain't any kind of phobia if you disagree with it scientifically.
@John Doe Disagreeing with the immutable soon becomes dehumanising others. "Don't ask, don't tell" was a good example of how dreadful quiet homophobia easily can be.
I love hearing different viewpoints on religion. I'm kinda the opposite of the typical "Atheist growing up in a strict Religious Household" in that I was raised in an atheist household where religion was kinda looked down upon. I think that's why I gravitated towards religion more.
At the end of the day, we're all products of our upbringing whether we realize or not. Many people who are born into a religion end up leaving because they were basically forced into it rather than choosing it. I don't know if anyone else grew up like I did, but it'd be cool to know.
I think that people let a few bad religious people shape their perspective of a whole religion. First and foremost, people are people, and people can be dicks sometimes. People have flaws and bad days and differing opinions. For example with Christianity or Islam, you have billions of followers. It's literally impossible for all of those followers to be good people. Anyone can claim to follow a religion. Now whether they really do or not? Different question.
Hearing this is so weird. I'm orthodox and every Christianity teacher we had was always eager to explain *any* question regarding Christianity. And I legit mean any. I've never encountered the "no you're wrong, get out of the classroom" thing.
No yeah, I'm Catholic, and I had shit theology teachers but never to that point.
Some teachers just suck, religion or no religion
I was actually surprised as well to hear that too, i grew up Sunni islam and my teachers talked about how god created people and evolution and all that. There was never an anti-evolution thing because they discussed it when questioned about it.
I've had RE (religious education) teachers that have went to the point of assault against me, a particular time i can remember was when i was in my highschool year 9 (not sure what grade that would be) but were all given the bible's the old testament and the new one and the teacher was essentially a zealot so every kid was a drone for him answering with things like "god is great and the bible is the only book that man needs" till he got to me. I remember him asking what i thought about them and i simply replied with that they were good history books because it showed the political climate, what the housing situation was, what the culinary, situation was, the kind of currency used etc; he proceeded to press me on the religion of it all and cause at that time i was major into boxing and judo I knew I could fight ( and often would go looking for them back then) so i wasn't scared to speak my mind to him or anyone else so i called it all fairy nonsense to which he proceeded to try and assault me with a book and i proceeded to defend myself by knocking his two front teeth out and restraining him got kicked out of the school but made sure everyone knew why. I still see him today and he still gives me dirty looks but i laugh it off cause i know he never got the teeth fixed.
@@brendanmatrix6208 The "fairy nonsense" part might have been pushing a bit hard on the knife. I'd have said I had my doubts instead; if he initiates an attack then, you can say you had been hoping for a debate and be covered in case of retribution. Still, attacking you isn't okay and I appreciate why it was necessary to fight back.
Honestly, I love hearing you two talk about these kind of topics, because they're not polarizing or trying to push an agenda, but instead just express how you guys feel. I love the work both of you do and hope you can keep it up at time ticks on.
I really appreciated this. I admit that as a Christian (albeit a slightly smaller church, especially compared to something like Catholicism or some of the larger Protestantism denominations) my entire, relatively inexperienced life, I kinda hesitated to click on this video, but I appreciated the tact and honesty shown. I honestly can't blame either of you for leaving your churches. I especially liked the whole "do your own research" point that was brought up, as I also did that myself and saw others do that in their lives with ultimately good results. Hope you guys take care and keep up the good work with the videos.
"Everyone gets into heaven"
Mao: *Excited Communism Noises*
“Everyone gets into heaven”
Hitler: *exited fascist noises*
“Everyone gets into heaven”
Putin: *Excited blyat noises*
“He went to Chinese heaven which is a whole other thing”-Filthy Frank
"Everyone gets into heaven"
Antichrist: *Excited Demon Noises*
@@jasonarmstrong5750 cheaper heaven
It saddens me to hear of what you guys went through and learned, especially since I'm a Christian. I really hated that you guys were just given cookie cutter answers or outright ignored, cause I do believe there are good answers to what you asked. If you ever have any interest or wanted to just ask questions to a Christian that will take you seriously, feel free to message me. Love your guys content, keep it up and God bless you.
Exactly, I mean there's been probably thousands of books and treatises on nigh every problem (save for personal ones) they mentioned. Yet many religion teachers seem less unable to read into such things, but unwilling. And it hurts not just the Church, but all christians as a whole.
Ya, sounds like they just had shitty teachers.
I'm Christian, organized religion is stupid. Just believe what you want to, don't follow the crowd.
@@nmperdue4637 Catholic here and I agree with you whole heartedly
@@nmperdue4637 Me and my dad like to call it "disorganized religion". Sums us up perfectly.
I like how Mike is on fire entire episode where he started a conversation about being an atheist.
No one tell Zach that the Sicilian Dwarf Elephant is extinct, aight?
Wait wat!!
That’s sad I’m sad thanks
The Roman empire has a lot to answer for. Europe used to have LIONS, dang it!
Tbh im happy i don’t have to deal with lions while hiking in italy lol
as someone who went to a catholic elementary school and immediately became a huge science nerd once i had young science teachers who were willing to teach evolution and such, Mike's reaction to finally learning about evolution and science is SO relatable
The end about "everyone gets into heaven." Sorta touched me. I never really thought about but I think im gonna use that little bit to better myself
I love hearing you two just talk about some events in life, you have an awesome comedic sense and bounce off each other perfectly.
Let's see how many people will get the R.E.M. reference
Spoiler alert: a lot, I hope. It's a really good song
When I saw the video thumbnail I honestly thought they were going to talk about REM
@@antoniop3080 so did I
There in the corner
@@xcwedgecx2436 in the spot...light
Yep, got the reference immediately
As a Christian I would like to apologize. Most of the time people lose their region due to incompetent churches. Churches are good for many things if done right. During Katrina, my church did food drives, donations, and started the youth group on habitats for humanity which build houses for the homeless. They properly document where every penny they receive from donations and where it goes and display it prominently. They reached out when my dad was sick, they supported me through tough times and love everyone despite their beliefs or factors. I saw a blind me get brought to the stage from the congregation and allowed to say how much he appreciated us all. That is Christianity, Love, forgiveness, and tolerance. Anyone who says otherwise is false prophets. And if you're wondering about all the wired stuff about the bible, please understand that the bible is written by a bunch of people over hundreds of years. And translated like a dozen times. And a lot of the weird stuff from the old testaments got negated from Jesus's death and resurrection.
My theory the change of christianity came from the uprising of the kkk and the first colonizers spreading a hateful draconian version of christianity so what you embody is the true religion and what it was meant to be and what is popular now is the devil controlled crowds and greedy priests
@@matthewmcdonald1812 The KKK has been dismanatled for at least 50 years, yes the first settlers were puritanical but they sought to have the same power that the catholic church had on new lands they were not that different from europeans and yet american christendom seems to you like this huge boogeyman, this stinks of an political statement to blame the groups you dont like, christianity has suffered because society values have suffered, how the hell is a priest supposed to be incorruptable when he has been raised in a society which values profits, social status and little else, the problem isnt these boogeyman the problem is the society in which they exist.
@@lelagrangeeffectphysics4120 the kkk still exists and has leaders David duke is still alive and they did an interview with the grand wizard recently you cant be making this stuff up. Christianity is ultimately a good thing but the version most common is a version that excludes all who Jesus sought to rise such as homosexuals, trans, or even racially motivated segregation. Puritans were also a group of people who actively sought out others who they considered "against god" albeit not actually killing them but abusing them for straying away from their core beliefs. and yes its a boogeyman because people have made it that way the priests today are as likely to be reaching for your wallet as they are to be spreading the word of god. in regard existence of mega and super churches they are a prime example of how far modern Christianity has strayed from the bible and its beliefs take your sorry ass and read the bible and see what people cherry pick and exclude from the bible because here's an already common misconception, jesus never says to belittle or berate someone for their choices he says to let live and be the better man never stone or damn someone to hell, give up your dumbass illusion that today's corruption is something so little as me choosing a side and hating on a group because someone told me to. having experienced White, Asian, and Black churches and what they taught me especially how segregated and untrue to the bible the white church was but how racists gather under the cross for their own benefit for a future they wish to lead with an iron fist and I cant stand reading comments like yours where the history of the church is overwritten for no reason other than to make light of the church's failures, good Christians still exist but how much can a small group of people with little to no power show in the face of the treacherous hellscape that is modern day Christianity.
@@matthewmcdonald1812 The KKK is probably the most disfunction and disenfranchised organization I've seen at this point. What I've seen is there is a bunch of smaller sects just floating around everywhere which can be called KKK groups but they are at odds with each other[at least in Michigan]
@@kraigisboss the kkk is now the 2nd biggest white supremacist group now right behind proud boys they are mostly gone but not forgotten
That’s a hell of a title to wake up to
These videos are so pure. Wish I had more friends like this.
I don't know why a lot of theses stories sounds like something that was snuffed from a Monty Python film that was rejected cause it was waytoo funny, theses campfire stories. Gets my funny feelings going!
The entirety of Ft. Polk sounds like a Monty Python skit. The sheer incompetence of the people just from the stories Zack has told is on par with retail management and it's both hilarious and depressing
@@sorinsilverheart3200 Enlisted or not, you'll deal with some stupid people. It's a mad time for all.
@@sorinsilverheart3200 place is still the same today from comments I have seen and heard, like it has not changed.
@@sorinsilverheart3200 The thing retail and the military have in common is they're both bureaucracies, so they both naturally breed incompetence at the top level.
That transition from the religion talk to singing the magic school bus theme was great
7:32
Don’t mind me just posting the time stamp for the little magic school bus thing
Thanks Ruby
@@Clone6385 No problem
That discussion about Christianity was one of the most relaxed, non-aggressive discussions I've ever heard and it made me want to sit and talk about it with both of you
Oh God the timing is perfect, I just finished watching all the campfire and military stories and was craving more
This is actually more insightful than any church service I've sat through
Honestly, what made me an atheist was my experience in the education system, I was bullied heavily, by supposed Christians and Muslims, had the teachers turn their backs on me, apparently good, faithful religious people who left a defenceless child to have their mental and physical state destroyed by their peers and that's when I lost my faith, the people who were supposedly meant to be peaceful and caring were monstrous brutes that took pleasure in hurting others, and after getting into history, I found thousands of versions of this throughout history and questioned how in god's fucking name can people do this and claim to be good people because of their religion
That's how I lost my faith, and it will never come back, the damage has been done.
I have two formative religious stories that always stuck with me.
One, when I was 13, there was a girl who I really really liked, who I found out later was atheist. I countered that with "But that means you'll go to hell!", and she was obviously completely unphased by it. As someone who's greatest fear for a long time was hell, that really stuck with me and she was the first person that made me start truly losing my religion.
Another time in high school, there was some sort of event going on that left me, one other student, and my gym/health class teacher in the room together just kinda waiting on the clock. At some point we started discussing religion, and the teacher started talking about how his view of God is not that he is some sort of divine entity, but rather just way the universe moves so to speak. I.E. instead of a person in control, he sees God as whatever forces are driving this world forward, more or less. I for the life of me could not reconcile the idea of someone subscribing to a Christian type of religion, but interpreting it in such a way as to be completely counter to the fundamental ideas of God being the ultimate power in control, but rather everything is chaos but is happening for a reason. I was atheist by then so I wasn't offended, so much as just absolutely fascinated by the way he interpreted things, and that's always stuck with me.
Anyway if you read all this, thanks for listening to my TED talk
I mean not to discredit your life experiences, but if you began to lose faith over a crush, maybe your faith wasn't that strong to begin with
@@greenn992 yeah I was thinking the same thing but no hate tho.
Oh yeah my faith was not at all strong. I grew up basically being made afraid of hell, but I never had much faith outside of saying I did to not go to hell. I just find that story a little funny these days I guess.
@@sweetpepino1907 don’t worry, hell has the best cupcakes
Yeah that don't sound like how God works, oh well.
I honestly though this would just be Mike singing the lyrics to R.E.M's hit song "Losing my religion." Then I saw the video length.
I know Im late to comment but i thought I would say on the topic of religion. You two have been a light in alot of peoples lives including my own. Even if you don't believe in anything you have helped alot by just being who you are. And at the end of the day as long as you hold that in your heart and be the best "you" can be, I believe it doesn't matter what you believe. Sorry to get corny but you guys are soo amazing and relatable. If there is an afterlife i hope we all get to experience together the same fun we do right now.
I feel like a lot of people have to go through this type of thing, but for some reason, no one talks about it, good on you guys!
'Inactive Telomeres' was the nerdiest, funniest catchphrase ever
"You know what they do when the Pope dies?"
Find a new ringleader
Nah they find a new senile patsy who will take the fall for the crimes of the church.
@@exilestudios9546 I think they find a guy named Enrico Maxwell
Pretty sure mikes argument of the father the son and the Holy Ghost was why the church first split in to catholic and orthodox
No, both the catholic and eastern orthodox churches believe in the trinity. The schism was more over the authority of the pope and the worship of icons.
@@toasterofdeath9171 pretty sure one believes they are the same being and the other believes they are all separate beings
@@tomcrago9631 www.oca.org/questions/teaching/the-trinity
"Thus we have always and everywhere God the Father, the Son of God who comes as Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. In the Orthodox Church we confess that these three are not three competitive gods, divided, and separated from each other. On the contrary we believe that the Father, who is the Source of all that exists, always has His Son and His Spirit who are not creatures, Who were not made like everything and everyone else, but Who exist eternally with Him; from, in and by His very own divine being."
@@tomcrago9631 No. Also, what the Toaster of death said is also wrong. The schism happened over difference in the Greek Rite, and the Latin Rite, as well as the Catholics adding in the Symbol(?), basically the prayer with the basic tenets, that the Holy spirit also comes from the Son, which wasn't by any Ecumenical council, but rather the pope being too big for his Breeches.
Also, that was the BIG schism, there were smaller schisms before that.
Also, I am Orthodox, just to give context of what view I have, and the Catholics are basically heretics, and the pope claims power over Dogma that he doesn't have, never had, and never will have.
That is at least my view.
Of course a lot of the actual reason for the schism was about the Jurisdictions that the pope was trying to claim, that traditionally had belonged to the Patriarch of Constantinople.
The trinity is something thats very confusing and honestly not a huge deal in general. Like not understanding it won’t stop you from going to heaven or anything
i saw this recommended to me and i was like “what? I thought i saw all of them” and then realized this is brand new
These two men genuinely make me want to join the military just so I can make friends and tell stories like these
Just pray you don't get sent to Fort Polk. XD
@@brandonhawker6597 every other comment says something about Fort Polk and I love how bad it is
@@AgentCali21 Zach goes on about how bad Fort Polk is literally whenever he gets the chance. It's hilarious.
@@brandonhawker6597 I know, its fucking great
@@AgentCali21 I would pay actual money just to hear Zach go on about his army days.
Would love a series of
"Hot takes from Zach"
I want dad jokes with mike
MAKE BOTH OF THESE HAPPEN!
"I read my biology textbook casually" NERD!
Had a friend who did this with a college physics textbook when we were in high school
@@librarianseth5572 Hey, if you locked me in a room and told me my only two options were to either watch something I hàted or read a math or science textbook, my response is always going to be "Welp, time for a study session."
Gotta say there is some good stuff there, shame I only learned and remembered about was the mitochondria.
Bonk
@@ghuttsmckenzie4269 *the powerhouse of the cell*
One of my new favorite quotes from these two is.
"How do you know!?"
"Inactive telomeres"
"OH MY GOD!"
I used to wholeheartedly believe in God, and I also believe in science. I used to rationalize the stories in the Bible with science, and when I shared my views, I was told to be silent. I stayed silent about what I believed in, and my mother mistook it for nonbelief, so she had missionaries come almost daily. They were so persistent, even texting me while I was IN CLASS. I am now an ath**st but I still have a lot of respect for religions.
I cut 90% of the religion out. I just figure "who are these people to tell me what's correct and incorrect anyways" ya know?
I weirdly started atheist and moved to staunchly pragmatic as I got more and more educated in college.
I have faith in Christ. Religion is made by man and is imperfect. I too believe science and faith are compatible and should not be shunned. Thank you for being tolerant despite your past. ❤️
@@falloutboy9993 that's the best answer. i think putting a man in a situation where he has to explain and understand god is like puting an elementary kid to explain nuclear physics, they may understand at some point a part of it but never the whole deal, and even that small part may be wrong
Respectfully, in your position I'm not sure i'd have any respect for religions after that.
I'd love to just have a podcast of you two talking about your lives, idk why it just seems so interesting to me
This is kinda like a podcast.
@@brobz8189 yeah I guess I just kinda wish there was more
@@vicsion1309 same
"they sound like zombies" - little me in church
After a long day of work Zach takes his gun to church so he can clean it.
"Hey you can't do that in here!"
"You said I could do whatever I want."
I mean God let me walk in here with it so...
I just lost my faith because everyone seems so close-minded and they didn't want to have an discussion much like how Zach's teacher was
Bro I feel you, most of what I know about my faith, and the reason I am still Catholic is because I did a shit ton of researching all of my questions. The Church, and many protestants, do a shit job of teaching the faith.
@@thethirdsicily4802 yeah tell me about it. There is a lot of answers and interesting theology that never get exposed if you don't look for them. If all you got is "Jesus loves you" and "Go to Mass every Sunday" without a proper explanation why anyways - then I absolute understand why someone just goes away.
@@thethirdsicily4802 Unfortunately brother, not every priest is as well trained and educated as the Jesuits (a.k.a. the Catholic storm troopers of theological debates). It is, however, always comforting to see that questions we ask ourselves were asked before and debated over the centuries.
@@VindicAlpha that is true, while the Society of Jesus has fallen from its original place as the masters of theological debate, I’m just glad that we have the things they debated about
You lose your faith because of others actions? Do you have so little faith that you cannot handle other human beings making mistakes? I’ve heard of this before and I’ll tell you here, realize that religion is a hammer and the believer is the one who wields the hammer, when the believer uses the hammer for wrong what do you do? Blame the hammer? What if a drunk driver crashed and kills someone, do you blame the car or the driver?
Not all Christians are the same nor are all Christians perfect, but why? Because Christians are still humans and just like there’s some humans who aren’t the best, there’s also some Christians who aren’t the best. Some Christians would’ve loved to answer questions, have debates, and here other people’s beliefs without attacking them for it.
I suggest you base your beliefs on what you believe and not the beliefs or actions of others. If you had other reasons ok, but this shouldn’t be a reason.
I honestly love this because it's not polarizing antagonistic. I mean I grew up Catholic and genuine conversations like this I've honestly always enjoyed
Oh I felt that whole Sunday BCT segment, up in Fort Lost in the Woods one Sunday our Drill SGT has to go for a meeting to discuss how they were going to do our Blue Phase, since the weather was basically Thor being pissed off for a good two weeks. So they had the Corporal who was in charge of supplies take us out to the Christian service. Well apparently he parked his car there and decided to leave us there while he went for Mickey D’s and asked us what we all wanted. We pooled whatever cash we had on us and have it to him, he went for us the goods and made us go into a clearing in the woods and ate there. When we got back we came up with an excuse that the corporal wanted to talk to the pastor about god and such which is why we took so long coming back. Got away clean, we made sure to pay the guy back buy going out on our Day off and getting him a G-Shock watch.
I actually love hearing about these stories and how interesting both Mike and Zach are
My bible study teacher had a pretty valid argument to the polytheistic or monotheistic topic. She told me to think of how my dad is a father, a husband, and an assistant principal. My dad has three titles but he isn’t three different people.
But he doesn't also act like three totally different guys
This is by far the best channel on TH-cam. You guys turn a 12 hour night shift into something I look forward to. I’ve seen the New Vegas playlist probably 15 times by now. Never gets old. Zach you are fucking hilarious you two keep up the good work
Last time I was this early Clementine still had two legs.
Edit: Wtf, how is this video a week old?
members/patrons get vids early
big one for me was when i was baptized the whole church went on and on about how its amazing and you form a connection with god enlightenment etc. and then i got baptized and there was nothing. i was very religious before that and the total lack of any actual spiritual experience i had been looking forward to so long shattered the illusion for me. after that i started questioning things and the unanswered questions just piled up until being forced to go to church twice a week was just enraging. i hated the whole experience as i saw the lies and hypocrisy and had learned the brutal history. i considered it a crime against me my parents the other kids and everyone in church akin to lobotomizing them but one i wasn't allowed to speak up about and was forced to sit and watch. the feeling built up until my parents finally stopped forcing me to go, since then i've cooled off and i don't have that seething hatred i just pity those trapped in the abusive cases of religion and wish everyone the best whatever they believe.
Mike...seriously...Mike...a podcast. Would be amazeballs. Seriously...Mike...do the thing. Do it. Tell Zach. This has to become a thing.
I swear, all of this was my experience with religion (Islam) years before I came out as trans and bisexual. I questioned everything and the dogmatic ideals that are forced upon you to conform to the Word or be labeled a heretic is why irked me. And then when I did come to terms with the former, I had already stopped believing because I had a run with people who condemned me for being Bi, let alone thr trans part,which made me super sad that something that I felt was out of my control was why people shunned me. But at least I'm much happier now.
If you believe or don't, just know it's okay to be you unapologetically and with no regrets.
You know, I'm glad this turned out so civil. It did lead to me learning something, as I had no idea what transubstantion was until I looked it up. Thank you for all the interesting stuff you guys talk about.
So glad the campfire stories are back. Some of your best content!