@@ericmarcelino4381 its strength was oneshotting literally every character in the game. Even if u toned it down to not one shot tanks, it would still be kinda cancerous playing any other dps. I agree fun ability to use, but I agree with storm arrows as a much better fit
Great video! One correction about grav+dragon - what made it so dominant was the mercy boost "bug" that allowed her to boost Hanzos' dragons, making it outdamage the healing done by transcendence.
@@TheNightman. Iirc, trance heals 300 per second, while raw dragons deal a max of 300 dmg a second and boost is 30% extra damage. And I believe neither of those values was ever changed.
@@MichailPunsh You're correct. What made it so valuable was that you could Mercy boost or nano Hanzo to outdo the Transcendence healing. They changed this pre-GOATs so that certain abilities could no longer be damage boosted.
As a Zen main at the time, it was infuriating game design. When you got grav'd and heard the Hanzo ulti line, the counterplay or correct play was to "save" trans, because you couldnt outheal the boosted hanzo ult. I don't quite recall if naded trance could save you, as the nade boost didnt last all that long. All in all... bad game design.
I was a proud scatter arrow demon. As an early hanzo main mastering the art of shooting perfectly underneath someones feet really is something I do miss, even if it was complete bs.
I would have liked if Mercy would have been talked about a little more. She was an Important part of grav dragon, as she could actually damage boost the dragon back then. This made zen ult useless for a time being, so much so some zen players refused to ult a grav if the Hanzo ulted.
the same meta also brought in ana because her nade could completely mitigate the healing of a zenyatta ult. alternatively, the nade would mitigate the damage boost of a hanzo dragon if the ana on your team threw her nade into your teammates in a zen ult
@@ValoriYT Yes. Even if they had an Ana nade to make sure they didn't die from the grav dragon they will have valk. This is why people actually remember incorrectly the part that "Ana was almost meta in this season". Because even though on paper Ana has the utility to outplay alot in the game all of that utility is mid fight use and in a Meta where the mid fight never existed then she wasn't good. Ana was just a better pick than Lucio, and Moira during that time.
i remember the “hanzo shooting logs at his enemies” memes from back in the day. can’t believe the scatter arrow replacement was all the way back in 2018
You guys are the only esports channel that still treats OW with respect instead of just beating the dead horse of "is the game dead", you guys are goated We appreciate u akshon
@@ayembic7933 Eh, I'm honestly sick of discussing that so I won't even get into that My main point is that I'm tired of people taking the lowest hanging fruit for clickbait which is always the easy "THIS KILLED OW" "BLIZZARD DUN GOOFED NOW" It fucking sucks actually liking OW because everywhere you mention it there's some guy that's gonna try and clown on you and it's all the fault of this youtube channels that only cover OW to shit on it Fuck us I guess for actually sticking with what we like instead of "moving on" to whatever is popular nowadays So it's refreshing to see a channel that covers OW and doesn't shit on it while doing it, it's great and hopefully it pays off for akshon
Love this series. All I can ever associate with Hanzo is scatter arrows and large head hitboxes 😆 It's always nice to see a detailed outline for some of these character changes throughout the game's lifespan.
Love the sheer variety of Overwatch content you guys still manage to put out. If you're able to do this now, I can't wait to see what you're capable of when OW2 comes out!
You should’ve mentioned that the Grav Dragon meta was where Hanzo’s dragons no longer became effected by any damage amplifiers in the game. Reason being a damaged amp dragon made Transcendence worthless.
The problem with Hanzo imo is that in lower ranks he’s busted if someone knows how to play him. At lower ranks he’s strong at all ranges and essentially has no counters outside of Tracer or Widow who you are rarely going to see be as good as the Hanzo player.
I still remember the first days that scatter got removed , when you jumped them Hanzo players they would aim at your feet and then try to hit you whit their abilities, scatter fried their brain to the level that they could not aim at a enemy 2 feet away from them
i miss scatter, storm arrow is way to strong. and yeah, i play main tank. theres like 100 things in this game that one shot tanks why not have a classic back
Both Scatter and Storm are fairly overpowered, as people get better at the game Storm has become just as deadly as Scatter once was. I feel like they need to exchange the ability out for something completely different, abilities that fire multiple times add too much damage into the game (which is why Bap's immortality field has now become necessary). If they made the arrow have a slowing effect, that would still make the ability powerful, but have it be less about shooting and breaking shields and more about taking off angles to hit the tanks with it. Hanzo has both vertical and horizontal mobility but he hardly uses it to get anywhere in the current meta, all he does is use Storm Arrows on cool down to break shields. And while the slow is one option, it could be too overpowered if paired with Sombra or another burst hero (because there's quite a few in the game right now). It's something they definitely need to look into.
@@Pbness The last thing this game needs is another CC honestly. They could probably tone down numbers on a lot of these heroes like healing so that they don't feel the need to make damage stronger just to get through that sustain.
Personally I think its unfair that they like to bring scatter arrow back on April fool's and in experimental but they've never once brought back level 3 turrets or shield generators or mass rez
This was cool, and I loved the Doomfist video too, I'd LOVE to see videos for Sombra, Symmetra, and DVa. Their histories with this game have been extremely interesting imo, moreso than any other hero.
And then he proceeded to do the same thing in Heroes of the storm and depending on who you ask he was either harder or easier to deal with But as a tank player I hated him
The speckled past of Symmetra would be interesting… especially since when Brigitte came out before the Symmetra 3.0 patch and Sym+Torb+Brig basically made the entire team into tanks, making breaking through defensive formations frustratingly difficult.
7:45 Not entirely true if you look at the Overwatch League, where he has been used at points. Most notably, he was used in the playoffs of OWL Season 3.
because thats so massively undertuned, theres no point using the ability as theres no guarantee that all arrows hit meaning you do less dmg than a fully charged body shot. it'd be a useless ability. storm arrow is a far better designed ability in every way
@@arte2489 wasn't the purpose to use the scatter arrow in the first place to catch those who try to run away while being damaged? Hanzo is a glass cannon pick that has strong corridor advantage. If you can't make use of it you shouldn't pick him.
I think if they took out lunge, made storm arrow not able to headshot, and made storm arrow deal increased damage to shields, I would be happy. Also, decreasing arrow size by 25% would be nice. He should be a sniper with high consistent damage output, not a tankbuster with a disengage ability.
i feel they could have balanced scatter arrows if they tried it was fun to watch i used to watch my uncle he is a hanzo main he was cracked at hanzo and the scatter arrows are the best ones to watch even tho he plays really good at range every once and a while someone tries to come from behind and get evaporated by scatter arrows lol they could have just lowered the numbers and speed of it to make it deal a maximum of 250 damage
Ah yes the character that can be defined as “Wait for real? That hit?”
Just like TF2's Huntsman
Nidalee
> Gets shot in foot
> Dies instantly because it was a "headshot"
> Type "fun game" in chat
@@charKT-7461 type gg ez 😂
The mandatory lucksman
Evolution of Hanzo: *scatter arrow flashbacks*
Scatter arrow only exists in the cinematic short and our memories now :(
@@thadex454 and in that Experimental card
SCATTER *splintering arrow noises*
I like scatter arrow
Why don't they just tone down the damage?
@@ericmarcelino4381 its strength was oneshotting literally every character in the game. Even if u toned it down to not one shot tanks, it would still be kinda cancerous playing any other dps. I agree fun ability to use, but I agree with storm arrows as a much better fit
Great video! One correction about grav+dragon - what made it so dominant was the mercy boost "bug" that allowed her to boost Hanzos' dragons, making it outdamage the healing done by transcendence.
DragonBall was a dogshit meta.
The boosted dragon was not enough alone to wipe or tpk. Zens ult still outhealed it
@@TheNightman. Iirc, trance heals 300 per second, while raw dragons deal a max of 300 dmg a second and boost is 30% extra damage. And I believe neither of those values was ever changed.
@@MichailPunsh You're correct. What made it so valuable was that you could Mercy boost or nano Hanzo to outdo the Transcendence healing. They changed this pre-GOATs so that certain abilities could no longer be damage boosted.
As a Zen main at the time, it was infuriating game design. When you got grav'd and heard the Hanzo ulti line, the counterplay or correct play was to "save" trans, because you couldnt outheal the boosted hanzo ult. I don't quite recall if naded trance could save you, as the nade boost didnt last all that long. All in all... bad game design.
I was a proud scatter arrow demon. As an early hanzo main mastering the art of shooting perfectly underneath someones feet really is something I do miss, even if it was complete bs.
I would have liked if Mercy would have been talked about a little more. She was an Important part of grav dragon, as she could actually damage boost the dragon back then. This made zen ult useless for a time being, so much so some zen players refused to ult a grav if the Hanzo ulted.
If your zen was shit yes, the boosted dragon was not enough alone to wipe or tpk. Zens ult still outhealed it
the same meta also brought in ana because her nade could completely mitigate the healing of a zenyatta ult. alternatively, the nade would mitigate the damage boost of a hanzo dragon if the ana on your team threw her nade into your teammates in a zen ult
If I'm remembering right, she also got a ridiculous amount of ult charge for damage boosting dragons at some point, before they nerfed it
@@TheNightman. It doesn't? How does a 300 HPS outheal a 390 DPS?
@@ValoriYT Yes. Even if they had an Ana nade to make sure they didn't die from the grav dragon they will have valk. This is why people actually remember incorrectly the part that "Ana was almost meta in this season". Because even though on paper Ana has the utility to outplay alot in the game all of that utility is mid fight use and in a Meta where the mid fight never existed then she wasn't good. Ana was just a better pick than Lucio, and Moira during that time.
i remember the “hanzo shooting logs at his enemies” memes from back in the day. can’t believe the scatter arrow replacement was all the way back in 2018
I appreciate that you've been working on Overwatch harder than Blizzard for the last couple of years.
Best OW content
fr. this channel is carrying OW content on their back
@@arrowsecho5779 couldn’t agree more!
Listening to you say Cassidi talking about old seasons messes with my brain a lot
I swear the quality of videos on this channel never fail to impress, thanks for the upload
Bizzare to me how grav dragon didn't become a "meta" until season 10 when both characters were launch heroes with the same abilities
I think it was because of the first dive meta. That whole comp just wrecked snipers
Also back then grav didn't disable movement ability, winton Genji tracer could escape easily
You guys are the only esports channel that still treats OW with respect instead of just beating the dead horse of "is the game dead", you guys are goated
We appreciate u akshon
True but it is dead tho so 💁🏻
@@ayembic7933 great, you missed the point of the comment.
@@fredericabernkastel8354 nah I didn't, I just wanted to change the subject and point out that overwatch is dead for the 473948292th time :)
@@ayembic7933 Eh, I'm honestly sick of discussing that so I won't even get into that
My main point is that I'm tired of people taking the lowest hanging fruit for clickbait which is always the easy "THIS KILLED OW" "BLIZZARD DUN GOOFED NOW"
It fucking sucks actually liking OW because everywhere you mention it there's some guy that's gonna try and clown on you and it's all the fault of this youtube channels that only cover OW to shit on it
Fuck us I guess for actually sticking with what we like instead of "moving on" to whatever is popular nowadays
So it's refreshing to see a channel that covers OW and doesn't shit on it while doing it, it's great and hopefully it pays off for akshon
@@Diego-lr6xe TRUEING
Evolution of Hanzo: *posted*
Blizzard: *changes Hanzo*
I don’t even play or watch ow but I love these
Love this series. All I can ever associate with Hanzo is scatter arrows and large head hitboxes 😆 It's always nice to see a detailed outline for some of these character changes throughout the game's lifespan.
0:35 Glad to see the chart again and thank you for including it in the description. Great video as always!
Oh the days of scatter arrow will forever be loving and haunting at the same time
Love the sheer variety of Overwatch content you guys still manage to put out. If you're able to do this now, I can't wait to see what you're capable of when OW2 comes out!
Well seeing what is happening at blizzard I doubt ow2 will come out
Every time they show the Titan concept art I just wish we could know more about Mama Hong and her manslaughter rap sheet
I think it would be nice to mention some players who thrived in the heroes you talk about. Great videos btw
This looks like the beginning of an amazing high quality series. Loving it already! 💛
You should’ve mentioned that the Grav Dragon meta was where Hanzo’s dragons no longer became effected by any damage amplifiers in the game. Reason being a damaged amp dragon made Transcendence worthless.
god i miss scatter arrow, it's such a shame they completely removed it instead of at least trying to tweak it
I prefer getting deleted in 2 seconds rather than being deleted in an instant
“Genji and Cassidy instead of our sharpshooters”
Cassidy: Am I a joke to you?
I mean Hanzo was good during giga Hog and he is seeing a resurgence throughout the last 2 months
More of this serie ! Its comfortable to watch. Oh yeah the good old times
"Hanzo has a rich story ahead of him."
6 years for Riot to make Arcane.
The Dragons cinematic was 6 years ago.
i dont understand
@@johnan3398 they haven't added any new lore in 6 years
Literally bunch of comic, yeah
@@MrDutchmarshal damn thats sad
@@MrDutchmarshal they really haven't added much at all lately
"upcoming balance patches" are we talking about the same overwatch?
I’ve been waiting for this for some reason
The problem with Hanzo imo is that in lower ranks he’s busted if someone knows how to play him. At lower ranks he’s strong at all ranges and essentially has no counters outside of Tracer or Widow who you are rarely going to see be as good as the Hanzo player.
That’s every character,90% of this game is aiming except for characters like doom fist
6+ YEARS LATER AND HANZOS ARROW HIT BOX IS STILL SO STUPID LARGE (Petty zen main/Lucio main winging)
I missed these, especially with OW being stale af!. Thank you for this
Zoned out and got knocked back in at, "the Pulled Pork combo"
Hanzo..... Young? Bro he's 38 !!!
I may be late to the party, but god damn what a great series idea. Stoked to see this.
I still remember the first days that scatter got removed , when you jumped them Hanzo players they would aim at your feet and then try to hit you whit their abilities, scatter fried their brain to the level that they could not aim at a enemy 2 feet away from them
Bruh when you have something for so long that did the work for you, that muscle memory is a pain 😆 I would have love to have been there to see that.
I'm good with hanzo ..its so rewarding when you get a one tap headshot ⛹🏻
>be me maining tanks
>be blizzard only has 6 tanks
>nerfs my main for being overly used
>mfw it's out of 6
i miss scatter, storm arrow is way to strong. and yeah, i play main tank. theres like 100 things in this game that one shot tanks why not have a classic back
Wasn't everyone getting one shotted by scatter arrow though? Storm arrow is weak as hell compared to that 😆
@@kosmosfan01 thing is scatter was unpredictable while storm arrow is one of the best burst damage tools in the game.
Both Scatter and Storm are fairly overpowered, as people get better at the game Storm has become just as deadly as Scatter once was.
I feel like they need to exchange the ability out for something completely different, abilities that fire multiple times add too much damage into the game (which is why Bap's immortality field has now become necessary). If they made the arrow have a slowing effect, that would still make the ability powerful, but have it be less about shooting and breaking shields and more about taking off angles to hit the tanks with it. Hanzo has both vertical and horizontal mobility but he hardly uses it to get anywhere in the current meta, all he does is use Storm Arrows on cool down to break shields.
And while the slow is one option, it could be too overpowered if paired with Sombra or another burst hero (because there's quite a few in the game right now). It's something they definitely need to look into.
@@thebigzan I'd probably prefer it this way just because there are ways around that burst damage over just being instantly deleted from corner shots.
@@Pbness The last thing this game needs is another CC honestly. They could probably tone down numbers on a lot of these heroes like healing so that they don't feel the need to make damage stronger just to get through that sustain.
Remember when hanzo was so weak that “hanzo main” was an insult? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
love to see a new meta archives! a wonderful video
Love this content!
Personally I think its unfair that they like to bring scatter arrow back on April fool's and in experimental but they've never once brought back level 3 turrets or shield generators or mass rez
Relax
FINALLY!!! My favorite series is back, plz do more!!!
Actually hanzo was very prevalent in the last season. 2021 had a lot of hanzo
thats just in ladder, hes very good, relatively easy to play, and theres no comps that make him unplayable so you see him alot
@@tim0thy hes kinda like that easy character to play, fun to master. I love watching him but when you're playing against a hanzo it's not fun
Bow ninja name goes hard 💀💀💀
This was cool, and I loved the Doomfist video too, I'd LOVE to see videos for Sombra, Symmetra, and DVa. Their histories with this game have been extremely interesting imo, moreso than any other hero.
bro I remember when hanzo was viewed as the same level of throwing as picking torb or bastion
you could also spoke about the dragon boosted by mercy who can kill through transcendence
One of my favourite heroes alongside McCree. I was kinda bad with both but it was still fun xd
Who is this McCree?
@@thadex454 the cowboy? the "its high noon" guy xdd
I was so confused when they kept calling him the new name since I haven’t been keeping up with overwatch lol
His arrow hitbox is the size of a basketball
And then he proceeded to do the same thing in Heroes of the storm and depending on who you ask he was either harder or easier to deal with
But as a tank player I hated him
this is a fun series!
The speckled past of Symmetra would be interesting… especially since when Brigitte came out before the Symmetra 3.0 patch and Sym+Torb+Brig basically made the entire team into tanks, making breaking through defensive formations frustratingly difficult.
As a main Hanzo, I miss scatter arrow
4:57 is nice
I'm pretty sure I asked for this, thank you
I would love to see you do this for more heros, great video (:
The timing of this video.
And the buffs make him even more stupid than he already is ._. What part of Hanzo's kit made them think that he needed a buff?
"shortly after players began discovering that the primary hitbox was deceptively long"
I guess big arrow hitboxes are a trend in class shooters
Were you guys invited to the content creator call that happened a couple weeks ago?
One day he will make a video about sonic THE fighter i KNOW that he will.
PERHAPS that story is STILL ahead of THEM
hearing cassidy is weird i already got used with mccree
Yes the scatter arrow still gives me nightmare just aim down with scatter arrow below the enemy your deleted
I always forgot that they changed McCree's name to Cassidy, when you mentioned Cassidy, I was so confused.
Remember when been called a hanzo main was an insult? Yeh, those were the days
you forgot to mention when damage boost would make dragon outdamage transcendence
rip one shot capability to the original 200hp cast
I was a hardcore hanzo main back in the day when he still had scatter
'Can you not play Hanzo.'
evolution of mercy, brigitte and moira when?
Lucio. 10 sec video
They already have a Mercy one, just look through their the playlist
Pulled pork, pirate ship. Who's coming up with these beautiful names for comps?
7:45 Not entirely true if you look at the Overwatch League, where he has been used at points. Most notably, he was used in the playoffs of OWL Season 3.
He could out DPS zen ult when damage boosted during dragon.
Ah yes, the scatter arrow! It was truly amazing getting one-shot as a rein by a hanzo.
This video is now outdated, extremely sorry
Due to scatur being removed the dragons animation is no longer cannon
You forgot to include Mercy's damage boost dragon combo that could go thru Zenyatta's Ultimate; until it was removed/ bug fixed.
well now his storm arrows can bounce so...Isn't that just going against the point of the storm arrows being added?
Hanzo main since release and proud lol
7:55 Only if we got that
I miss the day of Scattershot... Just pop it at an enemy's feet and poof, a free kill!
I just can't understand why they didn't fix the scatter arrow by limiting the maximum damage to single character to a fully charged body shot
because thats so massively undertuned, theres no point using the ability as theres no guarantee that all arrows hit meaning you do less dmg than a fully charged body shot. it'd be a useless ability. storm arrow is a far better designed ability in every way
@@arte2489 wasn't the purpose to use the scatter arrow in the first place to catch those who try to run away while being damaged? Hanzo is a glass cannon pick that has strong corridor advantage. If you can't make use of it you shouldn't pick him.
Where did you find the Prometheus picture
I still don't understand why the fuck does he have storm arrows, lunge and headshot. Like wtf devs, he does not need all 3 of them
I think if they took out lunge, made storm arrow not able to headshot, and made storm arrow deal increased damage to shields, I would be happy. Also, decreasing arrow size by 25% would be nice. He should be a sniper with high consistent damage output, not a tankbuster with a disengage ability.
1:57 blizzard, i need mama hong asap
where'd you get that list of meta's? i'd like to see it
Hanzo mains when they can't one shot every hero with scatter anymore
I love this series !!
Music at the beginning ?
1:33 this is just tf2
Thats my main :o
Would love it if you did a pharah evolution and I want to hear if you think she's balanced or needs a buff
i feel they could have balanced scatter arrows if they tried it was fun to watch i used to watch my uncle he is a hanzo main he was cracked at hanzo and the scatter arrows are the best ones to watch even tho he plays really good at range every once and a while someone tries to come from behind and get evaporated by scatter arrows lol
they could have just lowered the numbers and speed of it to make it deal a maximum of 250 damage
Nope cause still one shots even with only 250 dmg
Right now Hanzo is one of the best picks. WDYM not meta ATM???
What's the source for the image at 1:56?
This was concept art officially from Blizzard that was revealed at the Archives Panel a few years ago.
Still sounds weird to call Mcree other names.
Can you do a video on boxing stars which is a sequel to punch hero?
Hanzo = scatter arrow ninja
Genji = need healing ninja
Can we pls get a halo competitive video
I used to be a Hanzo main just for scatter shot