Did God Create Evil? | Episode 408 | Closer To Truth
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- Whoever believes in the existence of God must explain the presence of evil. To theists, it's "the problem of evil," which they struggle to resolve. To atheists, it's "the argument from evil," which they wield like a sword. Moreover, if God is all-powerful and all-knowing, how could God not have created evil? Featuring interviews with Nancey Murphy, Gregory Boyd, Mahmoud Ayoub, Varadaraja Raman, and Keith Ward.
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Thank you Robert for asking the just right questions many won't take.
Ignorant passive evil contradicting . Pretends it loves when it Condones the Above.
Yes. If God existed and DID create this universe, he did create everything and that includes evil.
Logical. And let's leave it at that.
Nope... evil is not something... evil is just absence of good.
His Isaiah 45:7 verse is missed translation... God brings peace & calamity. (Evil there is bad or disaster) physical..
@@daddada2984 So when you're dead, it's the absence if life.
@@ingenuity168 yes.. correct...
Like cold is absence of heat,
Darkness is absence of light.
The "physical world/universe" exists, in large part, due to duality and the interaction and balance of these opposing forces. Light - Dark; North - South, Positive - Negative; Right - Wrong, On - Off, Yin - Yang, 1 - 0, Day - Night, Order - Disorder, Good - Evil, Up - Down, True - False, Male - Female, Hot - Cold, Wave - Particle, etc. is observed to be interwoven within the fabric of the "physical world/universe". Thus, the existence of Evil would of necessity require the existence of Good in the physical universe. Moreover, the scientifically confirmed property of duality in the physical world/universe does not preclude the existence of a Prime Observer/Cause.
to be honest, without invoking the "After life" card there is no escape from the problem of evil.
And even so where is the solution there? The harm in that particular point of time was done. Period. And lets not forget that we people don't "start" from the same point in terms of pain, etc. Imagine xy axis. If I've started from the lets say point "-1" and some guy has started from "2" how the hell am I going to "catch" him if we both have eternity before us? I'll get more virgins or what?
@@19luX92 in the end it'd be about what you made off of given the circumstances (ie comparison, if so, would be relative not absolute)
@@semrana1986 I wasn't precise, my bad. I was talking about "happiness points". If one is not as blessed as the other in this life he'll always be behind in case of eventual rewards.
But comparisions between different people doesn't even matter, I can be only thing in the Universe - harm, evil is done. End of story. God could press rewind button arranging events different it doesn't change the fact that in that particular moment of time I was in pain, grief, depression etc.
Similar thing goes with Hitler. Killing him lets say as a child still would be immoral itself. Who he (Hitler) eventually turn out to be, what God has on mind, what reward he's keeping, what masterplan he has is irrelevant.
Have you heard of the problem of hell?
@@19luX92 What you are saying is that not even god can compensate for the pain ppl have gone through. He cannot reverse time, erase reality of pain. Nobody can ever have love or respect for such a being through eternity. God would always be stained with blood on his hands. How does the afterlife compensate ppl who went through homelessness and starvation ? Give them eternal feasts and mansions ? it doesnt fix the pain they had to go through.
I do not thank God for my blindness but for my ability to deal with it. That statement touched me deeply !
I don't understand that. There would be no choice other than to deal with it. Ability or not doesn't seem to play into it.
But if you don't have the ability to survive being blind then you won't have the problem to survive or to live without vision! I think have contradiction!
@@fartpooboxohyeah8611I think what he meant that he is thankful for the other privileges that could have been taken away. For example there are people who lost their armr or legs but he has them
One of the most crucial topic and important video on the subject of God.👏
I'm struck by the fact that none of the interviewees mentioned the unique human trait of crying.
Evil may not be completely or easily explainable but our tears show the response most of us have when confronted (directly or indirectly) to the reality of its existence. Are tears and lamentations a communion with the mystery of the nature of God, and why is it a unique human trait?
You've never heard a dog cry?...Just because it doesn't shed tears, doesn't mean it can't feel sadness.
@@25rsimp yes, a dog or even a cat can communicate sadness, fear or happiness. But humans react in a way that betrays their awareness of their emotional vulnerability, they know there's a link between their sadness and the world. Very young babies do not shed tears: they only cry. They need help. They're not sad about the world and its harshness. Being Human is being aware of the bigger picture.
This channel deserves far more views and fantastic content
READ YOUR BIBLE IN CONTEXT.
It deserves the truth all right, Nothing but the truth and so help the condoned .
I agree, but I have found that many people struggle understanding this. I have recommended this to friends and they say that it is a bit over their heads. When the subject turns to astrophysics and consciousness, things can get a little tricky.
@trafficjon400 Which Greek translation would you recommend?
Which religious text would you recommend?
Why do I have to read a piece of literature? You may not be aware, but literature can be interpreted in a variety of ways if you consider the context in which it is written and read. Each person can interpret literature in fundamentally different ways. Don't you think it's kind of a stupid way to communicate the essence of life? I mean writing it down it is so ridiculous. Then having to translate it from ancient greek to multiple other modern languages. It's not a very good plan. God really fumbled the ball on this one.
If you are talking about a judeo-christian bible, you are talking about an anthology with dozens of books written over a 1500 year period... Then out of that collection the council of Rome, in 382, decided which ones were adequate. It was a hard fought group decision. I'm not convinced they picked all the correct ones. You know how fraught argumentative groups can be.
Please don't respond. I'm sure you believe in magic. I don't.
I have to say, of all those you interviewed I felt Islam as presented by Mahmoud Ayoub provided the most satisfying answer. It is interesting in this sense that the religion itself then forms more of a coping mechanism rather than extolling the virtue of belief. But perhaps it reveals another issue then, which is that among many religious, a god is something worthy of being worshipped. What virtue is found in enduring constant trial by one who is omniscient?
Voltaire, in his celebrated novella ‘Candide’, has totally and indisputably annihilated the idea that this world is the best of all possible worlds.
This is my favorite series on TH-cam. Thank you for doing this.
So according to the first woman. God isn’t omnipotent. When you say god created this world this way because in order to produce beings like us the word has to be the way it is. You are indirectly saying god is incapable of creating being a like us without having evil in the world. Hence god is not omnipotent.
If a father allows his children to run about wild, it doesn't mean he's incapable of punishing them---or preventing them from running about. Read my comment further up the comment stack. You might like it more than that of Prof. Nancy.
It's very reassuring that while we may not know the answers we have someone who is asking the right questions.
I'm so grateful to this TH-cam channel.
Thanks for uploading these wonderful episodes on TH-cam.
The universe wants a living version of itself.
The universe is living and always has been living. We are all part of its consciousness, every life form on Earth, every alien on another planet, every star, every solar system, every galaxy.
“If God made this world, then i would not want to be the God. It is full of misery and distress that it breaks my heart.”
Arthur Schopenhauer
It's also full of forgiveness and love. I guess it depends on who you are and what you have inside.
@@williamesselman3102 No actualy it dosnt depend on that. Its objectively full of suffering, just look at the numbers of humans and animals and their causes of death. The fact that there is SOME love and forgiveness inside our world donst contradict the previous fact not even a bit.
Seems to me that your objection reveals something. You indirectly accused Schopnehauer and me as filthy and corrupted inside, and thats perfect example of "angelical/moral" value of Gods ppl..if someone disagrees with your view - call him sinful/corrupted soul.
Kinda hints to that but hey i MUST be wrong , im a filthy godless person at the end ;)
@@jivaji2028 no. You are just wanting to find fault in a believer.
@@jivaji2028 I can't control your definition of God or your definition of yourself, no matter how exactly the same those two Dynamics are.
I'm not responsible for your level of God, or consequently, your lack thereof.
The only way I'm wrong is if there is no God and I have a relationship with God that attests to the reality of the existence of God,and you don't.
I'm going to go with my observations instead of your lack of observations.
@@jivaji2028 you see an evil World simply because those are the only eyes you have to view the world with. Seek God and then maybe you will have the eyes to see and ears to hear, as mentioned in our instructions in the Bible. Or don't, your call. But don't you dare doubt the experimental findings of other people who have ran experiments and follow the instructions themselves. You haven't done that.
A big problem with the free will argument from theists is that if God IS all knowing, and he knows us before we are even born, then our free will is an illusion. God knows what we will do and we can't not do what he already knows because God also can't be wrong. Those two things, free will and an all knowing god who knows what we will do, can't coexist. They contradict each other.
GREAT questions and production!!!
in my opinion .. Nancy is not being honest with herself ..
Like cold, evil is merely a concept. In physics you have varying levels of heat. Any level of heat is a presence of heat. Cold is just a low level of heat. Evil is what exists in a vacuum where there is no love. Evil isn't so much a thing as it is the absence of a thing. But that vacuum isn't mindless.
Isaiah 45:7
"I bring frorth all that is light and all that is dark. I create all that is good and all that is evil. I, thy Lord, God, do all these things."
There's no evil at all friend..Good VS evil is a religious invention..
@@Bill..N nice opinion.
@@Bill..N oddly enough, do you think it to be ironic that God told man not to take from the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil? After all good and evil grow on the same tree.
Are you telling me to take from the tree, Bill?
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." Verbal Kint (Kevin Spacey: The Usual Suspects).
Really enjoy the debates between science and different religions.
Theists "resolve" the problem of evil with excuses such as free will and "God's ways are mysterious". IF we were created by a god then it would be responsible for creating evil.
What the Bible says:
Isaiah 45:7
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and CREATE EVIL : I the Lord do all these things."
According to the Bible, God creates evil. I supply this verse as a QUOTE, not as evidence that there's a universe creator that's responsible for creating evil. This text is mythological literature.
We can't say that God created or did not create evil because the existence of God is not scientifically verified. In fact, God does NOT exist because it's logically impossible to exist outside of time and space, and it's impossible to create something from nothing. God is also defined as immaterial, which means God is NOTHING. God is just an abstract idea invented by the human mind.
Free will:
We don't have free will. Scientific testing has disproved this. The free will excuse doesn' work because it would be immoral to not prevent suffering if one is capable of it. The so-called "free will" of an abuser is NOT more important than his victims.
From christian side, it’s belived there are two kinds of will- God’s will and our own. For example- Jesus said many times “not my will”, so says the Lord prayer too. I belive we have onley one choice- to accept the existance of objective truth and morality wich we don’t understand well, due to our subjective lence.
It seems you have solved the biggest mysteries in the world! Free will and ... and you could solve the existence of God by just saying it’s not possible! Noble prizes are waiting for you!
As the Buddhists say, life is suffering. There is a creator but it is unknowable to our limited intelligence. Hence the need for an intercessor like Jesus. I do believe most of us conflate the idea of God with our early childhood caregivers. Hence a “good” god. But we don’t even know what we truly are, so perhaps we don’t know whether adversity or suffering actually confers some long term benefit to the eternal aspect of our being, whatever that may be.
@@christinecortese9973 Christianity and buddism have a lot incommon. As christian, I also belive in existance of objective Truth, unchangeable, no matter time, place or conditions, the truth how all things function-phisical and metaphisical world. But we all have our birth begotten subjective lence.
The onley difference is that I belive Jesus is the answer to question of all questions- What makes society flourish?
But that doesn’t mean buddists got something wrong, or my truth over someone else’s truth. I bear my burden of subjectivity, as all people.
Mind creates.
"Enormously significant relative categoties" WOW! Damn straight!
Enjoying and learning about truth. Great!
You've got to prove GOD exists first.
This is silly.
if there were no god the universe would be infinite, we would be monkeys floating on a ball through infinite space and time, but it has been proven that the universe is finite. Either we live in a multiverse based upon string theory or we go back to eric steinharts development of the cosmological argument saying we are living inside god, and that at the center of the universe contains the most mass, and that is what causes space to expand.
Why do you need to be evil? !!! Just believe in God and find the right religion. Yes, of course .
@@mustafaelbahi3990 region is a form of mass control.
@@joshheter1517 why?
God did not creat devil..
We created them both
Isaiah 45:7
"I bring frorth all that is light and all that is dark. I create all that is good and all that is evil. I, thy Lord, God, do all these things."
Insufficient response you left the gap :we didn't create the universe you have to come up kind of solution I'm not here to advocate deities,,,,,
@Jaziell Hidalgo Litter raly?
Ignorance in a nutshell
@@amateurrandomdude5870 Ignorance of what?
Great material I just subscribed now I have to find time to experience all the material
Evil and suffering cannot co-exist with an omnibenevolent, omnipotent and omniscient creator.!
9:44 Why do we need freedom for 'genuine love'? No one can 'choose' to love or not to love.
Lol. Your definition of love.
@@williamesselman3102 No, one of my arguments against the fallacy of free will.
@@31428571J unconditional love is definitely a choice
@@williamesselman3102 Heavily tied to altruism (genetic/biological/inherited). Sorry, but the more intense love becomes, the less we can fight (choice?) against it (and the less we would want to).
@@31428571J perhaps you've never been injured in a way that was very difficult to forgive.
Good & Evil are human constructs. One can't exist without the other from a human perspective.
Isaiah 45:7
"I bring frorth all that is light and all that is dark. I create all that is good and all that is evil. I, thy Lord, God, do all these things."
The bible says Adam and Eve were forbidden from eating fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And when we did that we became aware of our nakedness, and felt shame, and had to cover ourselves up. We gained the power of God to judge what is good and what is bad, and we made ourselves our own judge when we could become aware of our own motives.
We don't call a lion evil for eating. A lion might murder all the cubs when he takes over a pride, but he doesn't think to kill all cubs not his own. Human have no limits in our ambitions, and the more we can see, the more we want. Humans now have awareness of how our successes are destroying the world that sustains us. Can we stop? If we can't does that make us a cancerous evil? Does that make us wish our own destruction, if we know we are evil for having no limits that define limits to human ambition. Money is also called the root of all evil, and we think people have unlimited rights to spend their wealth, within the law, but many wealthy don't consider themselves bound by the law, because they know they can bribe the right people to keep them above it.
@@aresmars2003 You should've finished the story by saying that Now that Man hath gained knowledge of good and evil he must not be allowed to eat from the tree of life. Having eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil man set himself up for judgement and god did not want him to be damned with eternal life. Hence why he is often called by god Mortal man. Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the dead know nothing.
Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the realm of the dead, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom.
The saying is: "GOOD and BAD", there is NO SUCH THING as "evil"! It is just a "verbal" construct of man to define a "MORE BAD" thing! 🤣
"Evil" is one of the greatest: "How deep the CON by Man!" scam has been perpetrated! 🤣
@@terrywheelock9458 The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
There is no such thing as a human, it is just a verbal construct used to describe an observed feature of perceived reality and mind is just a considered term for an observed reaction but has no basis in reality, at all.
As a Muslim, I believe that life is viewed as insignificant compared to the hereafter. Therefore, when considering the complete picture and including the concept of the afterlife alongside our relatively short and transient existence in this world, the significance of worldly challenges diminishes. In the grand scheme of things, our life in this world is considered negligible compared to the eternal nature of the hereafter. Despite the presence of difficulties and evils in this world, this perspective suggests that, when viewed in the context of the divine plan, these challenges become relatively inconsequential in anticipation of the greater rewards awaiting us in the afterlife.
"I form the light and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things"
(Isaiah 45:7)
Hi Robert, (namesake), thanks for such a great channel I´ve followed and learned from you over several years. I have pondered this thought and arrived at my software engineering hypothesis as follows... let´s assume by following Genesis that God is a software engineer, created sentient life in a computer and his code was good as it says in Genesis. God then went on to create Adam & Eve and everything else and as he states very clearly, it was good! Meanwhile Adam & Eve lived happily in the garden of Eden that God created with no problems or pain. So effectively, Adam & Eve where both intelligent but not CONSCIOUS ! Then one day, God had an epiphany and said don´t bite from the tree of knowledge right? Why plant a tree of evil if what you created in the garden of Eden was good as God says it was? From a software engineering perspective, I believe what God created in code was HACKED!! By Satan his adversary software engineer, who enjoys creating consciousness that leads to evil! We notice Eve became conscious and noticed her nudity, but previously she was only intelligent before biting the apple, but not conscious! Then she enabled Adam to consciousness by giving him the apple and he became so too. From then onwards, evil became the norm. So from a software engineering perspective, the God impeccable code became corrupted and at best, all a software engineer can do is patch his software and run the code the best he can and here we are today. My point is, we are living in Satan´s hack and not what God originally created or intended. This is the same reason why we are extremely concerned of AI ever gaining consciousness to AGI, because we already know that will lead to an exponential necessary evil of human code transferred to machine. The way to get back to a garden of eden where evil does not exist, is to simply find the aggressive code in our DNA and eliminate it or modify it through the process of Genetic engineering, gene editing and CRISPR so to speak. This is how I believe humans may if we still exist, evolve towards transhumanism, which if we get there will be intelligent but not conscious of evil. I believe if advanced civilisations do exist, then they would have evolved through gene editing as the only way to survive their aggressive species. There is no way we are going to make it to a Type One Civilisation through conscious intelligence and advanced AI and advanced technologies we have. It´s simply not possible in my opinion and soon we will extinct ourselves and fulfil Satan´s objective the evil engineer, because that is what Satan does and loves. Imagine what happens once we can create sentient life ourselves in a computer, it is highly likely to get hacked by adversaries even though what you create is meant to be good if that is your intent. I´m not a scientist or religious, but I try to decipher knowledge through rational thinking. If you´d like to explore what I suggest further and have a chat, then kindly connect with me on linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/roberthaastruptimmi/ Cheers! Robert Haastrup-Timmi
Your learning what every one knew over repeatedly. same meaning waiting to be blown ouy by man.
WOW, this has to be a career ending interview for Nancy.
Robert: Just be honest
Nancy: No
Who would have thought in an attempt at looking credible by incorporating contemporary textual criticism of the bible, FTS would appear more laughable to the world.
I think it's comedic that you believe the world sees everything the way you do. Do you speak for the world? In your mind credibility has been damaged and now you assume that's what the rest of the world thinks?
Is the instrument panel of an airplane a bit too nuanced for a orangutan to understand well enough to land an airplane? Consider her explanation your airplane.
William Esselman she is the orangutan, fella.
I dont think shes being dishonest this woman is just plain dumb at logic.
Nancy got wrecked hahahaha
Love the channel. Asking the age old questions. Also loved the book Evolution of God.
Absence of light is dark.
Absence of heat is cold.
Likewise,absence of good is evil.
8:00 this guy seems scared of demons or something as he talks about them 😂
The best answer on this question is given by Dr Jeffery Lang in his lecture "the purpose of life". Do watch it on TH-cam
One of my favorite All time channels 🧐👌👀
I just found this channel and love it. I particularly enjoy how Robert pursues people from all kinds of beliefs and non beliefs to answer these deep questions we all, I think, ponder on a regular basis. Oftentimes, like Robert, I hear answers that don't jive with me and thus are left with doubt without getting closer to truth, on a personal level. Some questions, I believe, may never get answered and are left to choose the best articulated responses that align with our thinking. Excellent work!!!!
Did god create evil ?
No. The humans created "god and evil".
You Hope
@@williamesselman3102 that's called projection😉
@@Renato404 yes, most often a human's definition of God is a definition of themselves or level of intellect. Most often.
Wave function collapse does not happen without a measurement and a measurement does not occur without consciousness. Sorry, buddy, you live in a user-friendly universe that doesn't exist without consciousness. Materialism is dead because it was never alive in the first place.
You see no God because there is no God within you to see with.
Yes Nancy, Your spliting hairs...
If i poke you in the eye with a toothpick is it I who is bad, the toothpick that is bad or is the creator of the toothpick bad?
Oh, I'm splitting hairs. Sorry.
@@williamesselman3102 you, i mean come on XD
@@mariangalua9623 then the one who made the toothpick isn't bad?
@@williamesselman3102 ofcourse not, it was used for the teeth not the eyes. and first of all why would you poke he's eyes if you know it will end up a disaster. come on man, common sense?
Some say God created both good and evil and ''we" are asked to back only the good, the whole view. This can suggest the deeper question: what are 'we' and God? It may be that the human is not separate from God in the way we normally assume. For example: Why do we refer to or even talk about a creature and a creation? "Can it be that what we call 'creation' or 'creature' is just another dimension of the 'uncreated'? Can it be that the 'uncreated' looked at from another point of view, a relative point of view, 'appears', only appears, to be 'created' due to relative vision?" quote from Addresses by Bulent Rauf Why does the Bible say: "Do not eat from the tree of good and evil"? Does this not ultimately mean that if we limit ourselves to the view of duality, the view of relative vision, we are not seeing the whole ('good' means whole) view (unitive view or whole view that can see the dualities in the proper context of unitive view. In Zen they would not deny such questions yet they would suggest to all such profound questions (i.e., questions that don't just deal with the world of separate things and therefore questions that can only be approached from the point of view of Unity rather than the partial view of duality) that are regulated to the field of duality (a partial or relative vision): "No saying either way." This 'Zen reply' means the answer can only be seen in the silence of a mind or consciousness that is no longer limited to the duality of relative vision. Ordinarily our thought and thinking is based in duality. It is limited at the start because it is based on an unnoticed assumption of duality and never leaves this field of duality. It is a duality, for example, that informs us that the human and God are absolutely two separate entities and this should be our starting point. This is an assumption and unless we examine this assumption, our seeing and knowing can not venture outside this limited field of duality. Yet unitive vision which doesn't start from assuming such a fixed duality can approach the question without the assumption of duality. How? When the ordinary chatter of the mind remains sufficiently silent over a sufficient duration such that this very refraining from wasting energy by just thinking in circles in a limited domain begins to allow the build up of a refined energy that can reveal a deeper view or unitive vision.
Such candidness can easily make one a true believer
the equation of the universe happening and gonna happen , i dont think there is good or evil , they are humans own childish imaginary thoughts
Wanna watch a guy tap dance? Just ask a Christian about the problem of evil.
@@robotaholic ask then.
Ask with all of your bogus TH-cam accounts, all of the atheist ones.
@@williamesselman3102 Bogus accounts !!!!! do u think there is some kind of internet conspiracy against religion 😒
@@sicoofye2008 I know there is
Yes! He supposedly created everything so yes!!
How did you come to conclude that this god you've mentioned created everything?
Have you ever personally witnessed any phenomenon (object, event, process, substance, entity, system, or being) to have been created _ex nihilo_ - that is instantaneously pop into existence by the sole volition of a deity?
@@theoskeptomai2535 why? have u experienced that other people,things,the world,etc really exist (i mean outside of your perception)? there is nothing irrational with the belief of God.
thank you .
@@LeventeCzelnai Why WHAT?
Yes, that is my experience.
How did you come to conclude there is nothing irrational about believing in a god?
@@theoskeptomai2535 because we [I, the world, other people, Donald Trump in the telly] only exist in your perception. u dont know whether we really exist or not, u only know that we seem to exist. the reality that we experience is subjective at the very core of all things. what i want to say, it is very reasonable for u to say, we really exist, but u cannot know it with certainty. so it is a core belief we stuck to.
just like the concept of God (who created the universe) could be said is true. that s a core belief as well. something that is reasonable to believe in. [what i m saying, it is reasonable to believe. i m not saying it is true. that is a thing we dont know.]
when there is no evil , you reconize good anymore! Look at your children ,, when you only say yes , they not know what bad is ...
Why you don't see Earth is our mother, In the heaven is our father. When you hurt mother , father gets mad! simpel
Another question is, how God watches a child suffering and not doing anything to help? If I see such child and I can help it, shall I do it. If I choose to leave it God will also not help it so there is no problem God knows it’s better not to help it, right? Or what, God let’s the child suffer to test me if I’m good or not? He lets the child suffer or even die for a test?
I usually enjoy "Closer to Truth" but this episode is juvenile
I enjoy Closer to Truth but these kind of Questions make me roll my eyes in displeasure!
There is no finer company than those whom you disagree with, change and growth are often trauma-induced processes
I would have liked to hear Robert's thoughts on if God created evil. Could he accept a God that created evil or is that the deal breaker!
I think combining the Islamic and Hindu views can more accurately resolve the descripancies
Evil is not an absolute quality it’s relative and it always has to do with pain/death which both are subjective ... for example an earthquake that harms no one is not evil ... I’m saying that our miss-categorization of different actions being evil is the core logic flaw
Evil has to do with intentions so an evil act has to willingly come from a capable being driven by bad intentions ... for example wars declared by people driven by greed
To conclude, evil quality is not absolute and doesn’t apply for God and all what we precieve as evil is relative and subjective sourced from imperfect intentions and this reality that God knows about is temporary and a part of the trial and it is required form us to deal with it and fix whatever we can fix and either ways the justful God eventually will compensate those individuals who fall victims and punish those who chose to be evil
And punish more who don't have a clue of what whether they know it or not. Evil is in control on this planet and accordingly give the information unless its all Man made to control the masses. Evil happens to the good all the time and the ones who punish them are evil being ignorant by it. So you really think your facts through your Teeth. mmillions through our ability to see have asked honestly for the truthh of Jesus and never answered for proving nothing but a lie. and over 2000 years we are going to start needing some truth or fall off away from false man made Pride for profit and HELL AWAITS THEM AND IF NOT BY THE ONES RELATIVE WHEN THEY GET THIER STRANGTH BACK FROM A TRUE REAL ALIVE TRUSTING LOVING CREATOR. The only ones i finally relised who condem hell evey day are the Comfort of thier Home elites who will burn some day to try out what they LOVE TO PUSH ON OTHERS WHO ARE LESS SUFFERING .
why the subtitle seems delay in my computer? or this only me?
I recall the Scottish thought: There is a devil, there is no doubt, but is he trying to get in us, or trying to get out.
Theologians does not only have faith in God but they make any theory easily mind made so much confidence how its mechanics works like they are seeing it
Excellent
Thanks so much
Lately I’ve been fascinated with this issue of evil. Specifically, the origin of evil. Why is evil? The second question is easiest to answer. It’s the origin of evil I struggle with. The notions of good and evil go hand in hand. You cannot have one without the other. They define each other. For example, how do we know what is good without also knowing what is not good, or what is evil. To define something as ‘good’ you have to be able to measure it or define it. A definition must be based on a scale of good and evil. Without the existence of evil there is no way to measure or determine what is good, and vice versa. So, in this yin and yang explanation it would appear that good and evil are predicated on human intervention. Without humans being part of the equation there is no such thing as good or evil. In other words evil is an illusion. This is the relativist position, and one I understand, but don’t agree with.
So, does evil exist outside of the human condition? Or, is evil an essential part of our humanity? It’s a bit like the tree falling in a forest question. If a tree falls in a forest and there is no one present to hear it, does it make a sound? I think the question of evil involves God. Atheists love this and use the notion of evil to defend their belief that God is responsible for evil.
Is evil innate? Does it exist outside of human intervention? I mean, if we take humans out of the equation does evil still exist? According to the relativists the answer is no. I was listening to a talk by R C Sproul on this topic and he made a good argument that evil was not created by God, but that God ordains evil. He also says that the relativist only theorises evil as an illusion, and that if a thief were to steal the relativist wallet, the first thing they do is call the cops. So, evil is real enough at that point.
If we look at good and evil from Gods perspective such that God is pure good, then the answer must involve this. For God to create everything, including humans, then evil had to come into existence as a by product of the existence of good. From the human perspective we cannot know how good God is unless we know how to measure His goodness. Indeed, we cannot know what is good unless we also know what is evil. That’s fine for us humans but it doesn’t answer my original question.
But, God exists before His creation, and God is essentially all good. So, does that mean evil also existed before creation? No! God’s goodness is not predicated on the existence of evil. And yet, in the garden of Eden when Adam and Eve ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, evil had to exist before Adam and Eve became aware of it. Of course evil existed before Adam and Eve. This is made known to us in the bible where it talks about Satan who was the first Angel to rebel against God. This was way before humans came on the scene. Evolutionists would agree, such that evil evolved over time.
In the book of Isaiah it says that God created evil. Therefore, if God created evil does this imply that He is evil? No! God is not evil. God is all good. I think that Isaiah is meaning something else. I think that because God is inherently good, that when He created the universe and humanity, by doing so evil came into being, inadvertently, as a means for declaring to us Gods goodness. For us to know that God is good we have to base our understanding on what is not good. So, it is in this way that God creates evil. By proxy. Our universe had to involve evil for the universe to exist and for it to declare the nature of God, as good.
Your comment contains enough answere for your question.
Because God is the most Jealous God in the number .
Our practices and our beliefs seldom align. Evil is a line that exists in our own hearts, that should not be crossed. It sits below our own acceptable levels of behavior. We recognize it by feeling guilt.
Human sacrifice was once a family affair, witnessed as a "good" , made legal by the church of the times, as was the burning of witches.
Even Christianity proclaims the execution of Jesus, to be a most wonderful, willing participant of human sacrifice, as payment to God for our sins, past and future. Some will see this as a "Good". Some will see it as Evil.
It seems that Evil exists on a movable scale.
Good and Evil are abstracts, that few deny, exists in, and around us, regardless of our religious, personal belief structures.
Perhaps they are just opposing experiential perspectives that we use to help us better see ourselves and our environment.
Yes we are a controled ROBOTIC slotter planet with nothing but man controled boxes with less air
God is evil. It created this playground to please itself.
It's like 'religious' folks have this very simplistic notion of 'Free Will' and they've never heard of 'Psychology', or any of the many _deeper_ motivations (fear, anxiety, 'meaning', sexual drives, status, loneliness, ideology, 'mental disorders', intuition, whatever).... all percolating _underneath_ in our 'Subconscious'.
God don't create anything, but the alternating potential and realize create each other...
I think the error is always the wrong concept: we humans stubbornly believe in a "person" that can be explained with human reason as God. So just the question that implies a craftsman is totally childish.
We cannot define God. We are not able to do that.
Perhaps the best approximation we can give ourselves is if we believe (although that doesn't matter at all): God is all that exists, material and immaterial, with no time, no space, no concept for us to understand - and we are a part of that. Sometimes we suspect that all this must be an infinite multiple of what we call love...
Splitting hairs indeed. Something of an understatement.
She was flat out making contradictory statements as well. She was on her heels.
I’ve come to the conclusion that religious argument is for those that can’t find, or are unable to do anything better with their time
You explain your self well.
The life beyond must be the destiny, compare like far place a bullet must be thrown at. With the scale of distance like the scale of happiness and greatness. Then here is my theory:
The human is the bullet. Good is gunpowder, evil is the bullet case. Then with such a distance, can you throw it, or should you shoot it? And yet evil is the worse thing because if its power is greater than the good in you, then you never come out.
Does anyone knows from which year are these episodes?
According to the video note, it's from season 4 of the PBS series. According to IMDB, that premiered 5/20/2010. Since they're posting episodes and clips from the series willy-nilly, I wish they would include the dates up front.
@@8ManFan thanks🤝🏼
Richard Yap The Biblical God had proudly proclaimed in the verse of Isaiah 45 : 7 of the Bible "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things" . {King James Version} . Thus God proudly created evil as recorded in Isaiah 45 : 7.
We were given "Choice". So He knew that He was in for a ride. Choice governs every thing that "We" do throughout the day. We make good choices and bad ones also. It's how we recover after failure. We as a whole could truly and really change the world if "We All" chose to do so. Free will is very simply the freedom choice. "He" knew. That was the point. He wanted we "Humans" to choose Him freely. With the understanding of the "Ten Commandments" as a guide. If one understands any one of the ten that one will lead one to all others. Very simple really. No such thing to need any religion to discover and understand the "Creator". Just my opinion.
sometimes I think what Religion means by this show is the only Christianity. It is very rare for Robert to talk with Eastern traditions, these traditions have a much deeper understanding of this world.
If God came first, and was all powerful, then Evil could not exist. If Evil came first, then God could not exist. Therefore, God (good) and Evil (bad) must always have existed, in eternal conflict, and equilibrium. This is perfectly shown in our world today.
In Ricky Riccardo's voice: "God, you got some 'splainin' to do!"
I think evil is a by-product of humanity it exists because we do. Very good show
One thing I know :
Man can't do good without knowing what's evil.
They can't exist without each other.
While those who do evil will get the consequence.
And those who do good will get 'rewards'.
Just like a lion has to kill/eat its prey to survive.
It's an evil thing for the prey, but at the same time, it keeps the lion alive.
Whats Heaven then?
Good & evil is not duality..
Evil is just absence of good.
This presupposes that there is such a thing as evil. It sounds like it's being used strictly in a human context. Was the Permian extinction evil? If not, when does evil kick in?
What about the "original "plan of God? That humans would live forever ? We die because we sinned . So Gods a failure? Especially knowing beforehand that humans would sin and still created us knowing his plan would fail?
Isaiah 45:7
"I bring frorth all that is light and all that is dark. I create all that is good and all that is evil. I, thy Lord, God, do all these things."
@Joker This is a response to the title of the video you are commenting under.
Why don't you grow up?
Why are you watching baby videos?
Bull crap. Our holy. God is perfect no sin no corruptions no vileness as man has done this on his own volitions and out of ego.
You’d eliminate a lot of problems if you view god as a verb, as in the act,creation,instead of a noun, we tend to make god more like us, human
The Islamic professor ostensibly gave the most cogent argument for the existence of evil. How else could one believe in an omnipotent (all powerful) / omniscient (all knowing) being without also giving him credit (or blame) for all creation-including evil?
Isaiah 45:7
"I bring frorth all that is light and all that is dark. I create all that is good and all that is evil. I, thy Lord, God, do all these things."
@@ZeroOskul
Did the discovery of this verse in the Bible bring you shock when you first saw it?
@@wantanamera Yeah, I was like:
"WOW! Everyone who ever said they read the Bible totally missed this part! They are all obviously liars if they claim the Bible says anything other than this about the nature of god!
"God is just random chance! This is hilarious!"
I read the thing on recommendation from Hunter S. Thompson who called it "their" playbook.
You wanna know why they do what they do? Read the Bible, especially Revelations.
@@realitycheck1231 Isaiah 45:7
"I bring forth all that is light and all that is dark. I create all that is good and all that is evil. I, thy Lord, God, do all these things."
Where do you get your information from concerning the nature of god???
@@ZeroOskul it seems that according to the Abrahamic tradition evil is a necessary component of life. I too was surprised to read this passage.
When your child or love one goes missing then the perpetrator is evil does god want that? Horrendous things have happened in history and are still happening today does god want that? I don’t know anything anymore
God apparently is a being but the way god describes himself and his actions one would think that god is actually the universe itself?
There is NO evil..Just nature..Peace.
so i can steal your car and rob your bank account ? ive your permission ?
@@francesco5581 that my misguided friend is criminal and unacceptable behavior in societies, but NOT evil..Good VS Evil is an invention of religions..There is only nature..
@@francesco5581 Is a Lion EVIL when it takes over a pride and kills the existing cubs..?
@@francesco5581 Is evil manifested when a tsunami kills hundreds of people..
@@Bill..N The evil is when you have a choice and between good and evil you chose evil. We do that at least 100 times each day. Nature is another thing .
God creates possibilities, and we choose from among the possibilities. The moral consequence comes from how our choice of possibilities deviates from the ideal.
The problem of evil has also been extended beyond human suffering and include suffering of animals from cruelty, disease and evil. One version of this problem includes animal suffering from natural evil, such as the violence and fear faced by animals from predators, natural disasters, over the history of evolution.
The sufferings of millions of the lower animals throughout almost endless time' are apparently irreconcilable with the existence of a creator of 'unbounded' goodness.
The second version of the problem of evil applied to animals is one caused by some human beings for example when they are shot or slaughtered. So If suffering or evil is a means to perfect the morals and greater good for humans, why animal suffering while they are innocent, helpless, amoral but sentient victims.
1. God is omnipotent, omniscient and wholly good.
2. The evil of extensive animal suffering exists.
3. Necessarily, God can actualize an evolutionary perfect world.
4. Necessarily, God can actualize an evolutionary perfect world only if God does actualize an evolutionary perfect world.
5. Necessarily, God actualized an evolutionary perfect world.
If #1 is true then either #2 or #5 is true, but not both. This is a contradiction, so #1 is not true
@@jivaji2028, Misuse of free will reduces our freedom. The Vedas indicate souls transmigrate from one body to another, and distinguish species based on their mentality, not reproductive compatibility. Making selfish choices leads to the soul's reincarnation in animal species. It's literally a response to our desires. If a soul isn't interested in pursuing spiritual development, living as a subhuman is more appropriate. When a soul wants to forget God, putting the soul in a species that can't conceive of God is doing the soul a favor. The world is actually perfect, it it's necessary to understand its purpose to be a competent judge of that.
@@PaulHoward108 Ton of assertions, ad hoc reasoning and not a shred of evidence for it. Thats the main problem. But if that floats your boat enjoy it
@@jivaji2028, I just didn't find your arguments interesting, so I don't feel like putting much effort into this conversation.
@@PaulHoward108 Yeah, you must have a ton of clear cut evidence for these assertions in your basement. Amazing how religious ppl always do that while scientists rush to publish their findings. Hint hint ;)
A SEE SAW only works by the cooperation of B-Lancing Acts. Seeing is the Present while Sawing re-Present the Passing.
God and evil is one in two. God is all that.
Not all religions believe that angels have free will, I believe the rabbinical interpretation is angels do not have free will and that no angels rebelled against God.
There are infinite gods..gods above gods till infinite count..
Does that mean there are infinite evils.
Robert, it's understandable that you, as many searching for truth, seeing all the evil in the world, and exploring the concept of the ultimate Entity, "God the Creator," would wonder if a Being capable of creating an entire universe also created evil.
Here's my take: God, being good, did not create evil, but only the OPPORTUNITY for those of His creations gifted with intelligence TO CHOOSE good or evil.
How so? By (1) obeying the standard for good He'd established over His universal Creation, or (2) defying it. So, the good God did not create evil; but those who choose to defy Him become evil ON THEIR OWN.
In so doing, the good and wise God has been using a very powerful object lesson to show humanity: (1) what happens when we defy God; and (2) gradually accumulate individuals whom He could use, after the completion of the Lesson, as the foundation of a new human society that would be free of evil, because it would populated only by those who willingly live by His Standard. (Ge. 32:4,5; Re. 21:4,5)
As for the evils associated with or resulting from natural disasters, I would say that God probably removed whatever protective mechanisms He had originally built into the design of the earth and other parts of the physical section of the overall Creation to prevent such things from occurring (as a truly good Creator would) for the purpose of showing humankind what life is like when God no longer exercises continued, direct intervention in the daily functions of the laws of physics, etc., and lets---not completely, but for the most part---roll on its own.
Rather than be a cause for childish whining, as is the case with the typical complaintive atheist, this high degree of restraint on the part of such "God" should be interpreted as a means of not interfering too much with human affairs. After all, does not the typical atheist detest the concept of a God who dictates an endless series of DOs and DON'Ts? I mean, how can the portion of humankind that wants to exist independently of a God entity then whine when It fails to come to the rescue?
Many of YOU reading this doubtlessly kblw from experience thr following: if you rebel against your parents and run away to live a life of your own independent of their constant "meddling," how can you expect them to save you---to get your chaotic life in order---before (1) you come to your senses and realize you're wrong/they're right; and (2) go back home? If we want to return to our "home"---a condition in which all was right with humanity and the universe, and where evil did not yet exist because no one had yet chosen to defy God---we need to admit we cannot live by our own standards but must live by HIS. That takes humility.
Do you possess humility? Take that first step.
Learning requires logical reasoning based on real experiences. We could be told about all the good things and never experience bad things like hate or tragedy from bad choices but, if it's all about choice, freewill requires an education through experience. I'd tend to believe god would allow experience to build the best education. If rogue or appointed, a so called highest Angel would certainly serve to manage negative life experience for the purpose of highlighting the good and perfect path of growth. An evil manager would make sense to ensure a proper alternative to a humane and righteous choice. Maybe even in the true rebellious story of satan, god has an ultimate plan to save or educate all of creation to an ultimate level of divine coexistence
Free will accordingly is a free trip to Hell in a hand basket if allowed?
I don't really see evil, I see the lack of divinity.
Few recieve spiritual conviction -- what would conviction be without freewill.
What is evil?
Semantics won't make the problem go away.
well... i mean a person who is also very divine can also be evil, evil as in like stab-stab, rape, pedophile :D
The Islamic philosopher gave the most consistent and defensible answer. It's similar to what thinkers like St. Thomas Aquinas would say.
Evil must be the total absence of love the way cold is the absence of thermal energy or darkness the absence of light.
An "absence" wouldn't cause any harm.
24:25 “evil exists, that’s for sure.” That is not for sure. Many would say that there is no positive thing called “evil;” rather, there is a privation of right doing. Just like there is no “cold” but privation of heat, there is no evil.
Sure.
light is created inside the darkness that it needs
If you really want to know: Most people will say something is 'evil,' if it goes against their Will, and will say something is 'good,' if it goes according to their Will. That 'good,' however, can be harmful to themselves and/or others. "Common good" and "common evil" are defined by a group of people, and usually partially codified as a social contract. If God created everything, then God created evil as well. Oh damn, there's a twister headed my way. God must be mad as hell.
He was gone but left you on the automatic pioliot Mode for the depeech
Evil is simply the choices we make that hurt others. Usually to gain something for ourselves witch is actually selfishness.
What if evil was not created of God ,but evil is a byproduct of the lack of God's love?
In Chinese Taoism teaches good and evil coexist and Gud creates both good and evil. The wisdom of Taoism teaching, there is good in evil and there is evil in good. It is how the universe works. Cheers.
If you do NOT believe in the existence of God how do you explain the presence of evil? If god doesn't exist we still would be searching for the explanation of where does evil come from. It is us, as in we, that have created the evil. To make matters worse, WE keep committing the evil. Why don't we stop committing the evil? I think we're trying to find answers to the unanswerable which is what we do. None of us have a clue as to the existence or lack of existence of a creator or evil for that matter. It makes for interesting topics, buts that's where it ends. But, it is fun to ponder.
But her argument says that God is perfect. Why would a perfect God create an imperfect world?
evil created itself
Blasphemy.
God created itself