Wonderful job! This is the first time I've seen mention of the latency of these mixers. In my case use of using RØDECaster II as a live mixer with audio from a television, we always have to turn down the TV speakers, because the latency out of the amplifier makes everything sound weird.
Wow, you give really good reviews, I appreciate it very much! I think I’m sold on the DLZ Creator. Screen size, individual control knobs, interface, automix, auto ducking, set up modes, auto levels for example. I think the preamps on the DLZ sound a bit cleaner. It is something I can learn from and grow with as I progress. Lots of headroom for future updates including the mysterious Ethernet port. So, yeah in a couple of weeks I will be behind the console … HBD to me! Thanks again.
Thank you, Chris, for this wonderful review. I have a neighbor who inspired me to purchase a podcast digital mixer. He has the Rodecaster Pro II, I purchased the DLZ Creator because I have been into Music Grear for over 30 years and Mackie has been around for a while. Overall, after the purchase, I love the quality of the sound with the Mackie and the functionality is very sufficient for my workflow. I still Love your presentation as an after-purchase confirmation of this great product.
Have been waiting for comparisons on these two. Thanks. I have vision challenges so the bigger screen is alluring but not enough so far to help me declare a clear winner for my needs.
Excellent review, yesterday I was helping a friend and they had the new Yamaha DM3-D for the sound. It was very nice. there about 2k so it was more expensive but it has Dante!
Now I know why the atem mini audio is total crap in Zoom when using the Rode Master Output connected to the atem mic input. Wasted hours of time trying to fix this. Connecting a Rode headphone output to the atem mic resolved the problem. Thanks for pointing out the problem of connecting balanced output to unbalanced input.
@@curtisjudd hoping they will release something even better in the near future. I love earthworks sound signature. And the ethos and icon pro is more pocket friendly financially.
@@curtisjudd In don't understand why they discontinued it. On every review I heard, I love the precision of his sound. You have chance to have one. sorry for bad english.
@@curtisjudd A poor excuse for one, only as a hobby. I do a little bit of everything. From what I can tell the Boss Gigacaster 8 has all the features of RC Pro 2 and Mackie DLZ and the TASCAM MC4 with added Bluetooth, Aux In, Vocoder, Guitar Pedal Effects, Multitrack Recording, Midi controller, supports foot switches and pedals, 20x14 USB audio interface.
I don't think the lack of a second usb port on the Mackie DLZ is a problem. For taking output from a gaming console or output from a second computer and using that in a mix, I got the following advice from Mackie: For something like this you would need to use the audio output of another computer or game console via 1/8 inch to 1/8th inch cable or 1/8th inch to dual 1/4 inch cable. The 1/8th to 1/8th connection would be plugged into the 7/8 input of the DLZ Creator. The 1/8th inch to dual 1/4 inch cable would connect to the 5/6 input of the DLZ Creator.
Mackie pioneered the combination balanced/ unbalanced 1/4" output on their first generation of analog mixers back in the early 90s. If you use a balanced TRS cable out of the Mackie, it provides balanced outputs to cameras that accept balanced line-level. However, you can also use unbalanced TS cables, at which poit the outputs send an unbalanced signal to the destination. You do not need to use a direct box or unbalance the signal in some other way. I just re-read this and realized it probably looks like I work for Mackie. I don't. I have just owned a half dozen of their mixers since 1993. Even the first 1202 I bought back then had the balanced/ unbalanced feature.
Thanks for letting me know that the Mackie DLZ lacks the key feature that would make it a viable outside broadcast mixer for a radio station- the auto monitor mute when the mics are on. I also recall reading somewhere that the 4 multi mic channel inputs aren't true multi inputs, that is, they only offer a Mic Level. To be useful for me they'd need to offer Line In OR Mic level.
@@curtisjudd Thats good that the first 4 channels are truly multi inputs. However it makes it so much easier for our less experienced presenters to have auto mute. Hopefully a future firmware update will incorporate this feature. If this happened I'd recommend our station buy one.
The DLZ-Creator looks more attractive to me. However, it took Mackie a bit too long to come out with it. Once you subscribe to an ecosystem, which Rode seems to be spareheading in the audio industry, it takes more than just money to think outside that ecosystem. Rode has succeeded in creating the 'Apple-like' image for themselves. Every video of Rode reminds you of Apple products. Good job, Rode. Can Mackie stand the competition and provide firmware updates that make an old device new with the release of major updates like Rode does? Time will tell. And thanks for the in-depth review, Curtis. Technically comprehensive, as always.
11:45 I think I joked during the YT livestream when you demo'd Mackie DLZ. Max gain level on the Mackie was the metaphorical equivalent of the movie: This is Spinal Tap in the scene where the amp rotary pot label goes up to "11" instead of 10. 80dB gain is impressive, no doubt. 👀
Thank you very much for the tutorials you publish🙏🙏 As you know, in programs with the presence of the crowd, in order to record the sound of the performance space but not play it in the master and speaker, we must close the microphone feeder line and only adjust the microphone gain. Which one of these two devices has this feature? Mackie DLZ Creator or RODECaster Pro 2 ? While thanking you again, the second question is: How do you evaluate the sound quality of Dynacord analog mixer compared to these two devices and finally which one do you recommend? Thank you very much for your attention and response❤🙏
They can both record isolated channels, even with a channel fader down. You’ll just need to configure it to record pre-fader. I’m not familiar with a Dynacord.
Great comparison! Thank you. I have a question: Is there a mixer & recorder that provides 32-bit flow ADC? There are field recorders with this capability but I didn't come across a mixer with 32-bit flow. I mean 32-bit is already an industry standard. When I get for a podcast 3-4 people, I want to know that I don't ruin anything with levels or they won't produce too loud sound too close to a mic that it'd ruin recording. Usually, trying to retake similar conversation and get together similar people is extremely hard or rather impossible. Properly speaking I don't understand why brands still release 24-bit recorders while 32-bit ones are more versatile.
@@curtisjudd Thank you! One more question of you don't mind. Does RodeCaster Pro 2 have good DAC and amps for headphones? Some reviewers noticed that RodeCaster Duo has terrible low-quality DAC and it's just impossible to use it as an audio-interface due to a very bad DAC. What's the situation with Pro 2? Did Rode used low quality DAC for Duo model only or the Pro 2 model also has the same low-quality DAC?
That’s the trick, I wasn’t able to sort this out and reported it to RODE. The “monitor” outputs were not delivering anything close to a line level signal. Still haven’t solved this problem. I’ve been using the DLZ instead.
Rodecaster 2 has a audio issue they fail to tell you about even if you speak with them directly,then sent me a replacement knowing there was a known issue,im looking into returning mines for a Mackie
When im live the audio just stops,its a known issue goes back 3 years,I read dozens of comments (which I should of before I purchased) a lot said the same thing rode did with me,acted clueless & sent me a new one that immediately did the same thing.
Yes. They do it all the time in film and TV post production called railroading where you cut out the parts of clips where talent aren’t currently speaking. It is tedious and time consuming. You can also try plugins like WT Automixer.
@@curtisjudd Thank you. I have been doing the manual railroading for awhile, but I was hoping to find a plugin that could do it quicker. Looks like the WT Automixer is a good option that will save a lot of time.
The volt 276 can be powered by iPad and iPhone ( I think external battery might be needed for iPhone ) that way one can do a podcast on the go outside a studio can the rodecaster pro 2 do the same ?
iPhone certainly cannot power the RCPII. I also doubt an iPad can. Possibly an iPad Pro but even if it can, it would suck the battery down really quickly. So I’d plan to have a good sized battery bank to power the RCP.
@@curtisjudd ok thanks not sure if it’s worth returning volt 276 for rodecaster duo as a portable option ..I also want to pick up a dlz for in studio use
Going to buy one of these and the Atem Mini Pro for our upcoming video podcast. 2-4 guests and am considering buying 4 Rode Podcast mics. Based on this video, and the automatic setup for multiple guests, bigger screen, and 4 adjustment knobs, I think the DLZ is the way I'd go. But, if I'm buying Rode mics, do you think I should buy the RODECaster?
The RODE mics should work just fine with the DLZ. Also, both RODE and Mackie are now owned by the same parent company if you are trying to “keep it in the same family”.
Great Review! :) Needs that AirTable! - but I couldn't zoom it - it's about 6 point in Firefox in Windows 11. I even Googled it and got some serious garbage info. :(
Great side by side, i just need to now find a multitrack setup guide which would help me decide if upgrading rode version 1 worth it. My use case is to have music into mixer out to daw and back again for playback without going from asio to mme in audition as rode 1 usb 1 in 1 out. Had rode 2 for awhile and did work sort of but 1st version so firmware not great and lifting top plate so returned.
Great comparative review, as always, thanks you! Do you know, or have any sense of? anymore about future support for the DLZ post Rode’s purchase of Mackie? The updates on the DLZ since launch haven’t exactly been stellar, with the most recent firmware update (version 1.2) having been last February. That said they have implemented audio over Ethernet, any thoughts on how that might perform compared to usb c on the Rode? Would one expect more or less latency over Ethernet, more or better performance? Any thoughts you can share, would be much appreciated. Thank you!
The firmware updates have been slower from Mackie, but in my estimation, that’s because they got so much right from the beginning. I still find the DLZ effects easier to setup and get the sound I want. The RODECaster compressor in particular for some reason. These are just my subjective thoughts so don’t take them for anything more than that. I’ve used the network audio feature only once since it isn’t necessary for my workflows, but cool that they added it. I haven’t done any formal measurements of latency. My sense is that it’ll depend on a lot of factors - network latency being the foremost. But you can use the DLZ via USB as well, if the network option isn’t working well for any given project. Each week since I first received the DLZ I decide what to use for my livestream that week. I’ve chosen the DLZ 90% of the time and things other than the RODECaster Pro for the remaining 10%. I started to create a course on the RODECaster but eventually abandoned it when it took too long to get things working reliably…and then my vacation time reserved to work on the course ran out. Note that I bought the RCP2 with my money. Mackie gave me the DLZ to make the original review (not this video). It is one of those situations where on paper the RCP2 generally looks superior, but in my experience, I enjoy working with the DLZ more. Maybe that’s because I learned to mix on an analogue mixing board and so the DLZ just makes sense to me. 🤷♂️
I have a question I hope you can answer. On the DLZ I’m having an issue with my Skype co-host not hearing my sound pads or anything coming from the unit besides. My Skype setting from Mic & speakers are Mackie Dlz
Curtis, I am just starting a podcast for my company. I love the ease in which the Mackie allows newbies to get up and running. But, we do plan on doing field interviews with multiple guests. With that in mind I see the DLZ Creator is has dropped to $639. So I am torn as to the cost versus benefit, especially never having seen either one. Any thoughts or suggestions?
@@curtisjudd Sorry, I am not using the term correctly. By field, I just mean out-and-about, not in a studio, probably in a hotel. I am working for a nonprofit, and they have me starting a podcast. I will be recording interviews literally around the world. But Ill have power... for the most part.
@@MattBrandon Then the next consideration: Size. The RODECaster PRO II is substantially smaller in size than the DLZ. They both have dedicated backpacks available for transport so that helps. But only you can decide if the extra size will work for you.
Another extremely informative video, Curtis! I really appreciate all the time you put into these reviews. Quick question if you don't mind: what microphone are you using in this video? I see in the video description, under "gear used", you list Earthworks Ethos and Shure SM7B, but I'm pretty sure the mic you're using is not either of those. I ask because I think it sounds great, especially on your voice!
Hey Curtis! I have two questions 1. What is the EIN of the microphone inputs on the Mackie DLZ Creator? They seem to be very secretive of this and I can't find any info on it that I can compare to the Rodecaster Pro II. I care a lot about this as I use an SM7B and want to reduce the hiss as much as possible. The Spec sheet says -143.4 dBV A-weighted, compared to the Rodecaster 2's -131.5dBV (A-weighted). That sounds impossibly quiet, do those results fall in line with your measurements? When you compare them, is the Mackie quieter? 2. Apparently the Mackie DLZ Creator is now $639, making it significantly cheaper than the Rodecaster 2 (this could be a response to Rode acquiring Mackie.) With that in mind, do you believe the Mackie has significantly more value for the cost now?
1. I don’t have the tools to measure at that level, but in practical use, the DLZ and RCP2 both have very clean preamps that can easily drive the SM7B. 2. Yes! And I have run into fewer weird glitches and software bugs with the DLZ. My perspective after another 7 months of use leans even more heavily toward the DLZ.
@@curtisjuddi can still exchange it for the mackie and im struggling between both. I use a lot of soundbank transfert with rode central and i dont find the information if we can do the same woth the mackie? But the mackie preamp and sound quality overall seems better
@@ElPapistaRomanista They're virtually identical for practical purposes though the Mackie's sound a bit warmer and produce less self-noise by a tiny amount. Only the most careful, high-quality headphone side by side listening will reveal the differences. 99.9999999% of audience members will not notice a difference.
Hi Curtis, 3 months later what do you think. Not a lot of updates on the DLZ and I'd like to know your opinion about the Automix feature not leveling up the volume of a low priority mic. Because I fond that a problem. Don't you, have you find a work around using Automix and how does it compare to the Procaster Pro II capability to control level while many people talks together.
The automix is not the finest I’ve used, but still somewhat useful. They added NDI audio recently so there’s hope for more updates. Still my first choice for my streams.
@@creativegreatsvisuals In this context, the DLZ will keep the fader at a lower level for the low priority channel vs. others at medium and high priority.
@@creativegreatsvisuals It refers to how much of each channel makes it to the mix, from what I can tell. Low priority will always be quieter than medium or high priority. It seems like a rather crude implementation of automixing.
2 HUGE advantage of DLZ , 2 stereo analog inputs through some audio interface you can add 4 more microphones and there is automix , it would be good if you could activate it on all channels
I have a question about the DLZ creator, when I record it on multi track on the SD card. It splits the audio after 18 minutes of recording an hour podcast can be split into four different portions. Have you found out to be an issue or work around for it?
Great video. Thank you! 🤗 Wonder whether you came across BOSS Gigcaster 8 Audio Streaming Mixer - apparently a very potent competitor to these two AND it has both 32-bit recording and sound. Maybe it's not that actively promoted as the two mixers but from what I read in specs it should be very decent. Did you by any chance dealt with this mixer?
Not first hand, no. It seems more aimed at musicians and I’m not sure I understand the value of 32-but float audio for livestream because stream platforms don’t support it and even if they did, speakers and headphones cannot adapt to audio over 0dB.
@@curtisjudd Yep. Agree. 32-bit is just a good bonus point, not the main feature. Nevertheless, it's nice to have. Especially when recording a podcast and one of the guests would become too loud.
Hi Curtis, I notice you said you wouldn’t recommend the DLZ for people that want the audio for atem mini’s. Do you have a suggestion for a mixer to output to the switcher (on a budget 😉). Thanks you for always giving us great content👏🏽
I feed the audio from the DLZ to camera instead and that works nicely. Here are some other tips: th-cam.com/video/jW4V6owu7SI/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
So I got the Rodecaster Duo and connected my S23 Ultra with the supplied cable to USB2 in the back of the unit. I have my Macbook Pro as my music source connected to USB1 and set up as Chat in the system preferences audio settings, and I also tried the main multitrack. My Shure dynamic mic is in channel 1, and I followed the wizard set up using RodeCaster Master class. The input signals work coming in to the device, but none of my callers can hear the music, sounds effects, and when I talk thru the microphone, but I can hear them. All of my faders are up. The signals are coming thru all the channels. The input and output meters are good, but the only thing is that my callers can't hear me on a regular phone call. Why? When I switched it to Bluetooth, they can hear me but the audio quality is very poor, comes in and out very faintly like listening to bad headphones. Can you or anyone help me please!!!! Thanks so much!!
@@curtisjudd Actually, as you suggested, it cannot be rack mounted. However, I just purchased an ON STAGE shelf for the top of my rack that will perfectly hold the mixer. Also I just received my DLZ today and have it running in one of our studios. Works great. I didn't use any of the tutorials they have and it's an easy set up. Biggest difference, IMO, from the Rodecaster is BUILD QUALITY. This thing is built like a tank. My biggest beef with the RCP2 is that it's really cheaply made. I've had to return 2 of them so far because they came apart (literally).
@@ConsumerTeamPete Yes, it is my understanding that the first production run of the RCP2 had issues with the top panel coming unglued from the body but they have evidently solved that problem with later production runs. I hope that's the case. But yes, I prefer the Mackie. I've had a few gaming streamers accuse me of being a shill for saying I prefer the Mackie because to them, the dual USB ports makes the RCP2 an "objectively better choice." I have no doubt it does for those who like to use software instead of hardware encoders for their livestreams, but I'm more old-school and prefer to use a hardware encoder and run audio out of my mixer directly to camera or hardware switcher.
I’m planning to connect a RCP2 to an ATEM mini. 2x 1/4” TRS to XLR cables to go from monitor out to an ART Cleanbox pro. This will convert the +4 to a -10 unbalanced 3.5mm which the ATEM will accept. Do you think a firmware update could have an option to change the 1/4” TRS output jack to act as a -10 unbalanced stereo?
Hey Curtis, thanks for great reviews! I just bought a DPA 2011 twin diaphragm microphone and I cant get it work with my DLZ Creator. Any ideas? Greetings from Sweden 🙂 / Ulf
Hi Curtis. Hope that you are doing well! One question . DLZ is capable of record voice over with professional quality? Have like for ex Apollo twin x for record voice over and commercials, and another investment in DLZ to do content , can dlz substitute one Apollo twin x ? Thank you so much for your work and help us to make decisions . Cheers from Portugal.
GRAZIE PER TUOI INTERVENTI SEMPLICI E CHIARI , PREFERISCO IL DLZ MA PER ME LA TRASPORTABILITA' E' IMPORTANTE , POTREI ALIMENTARLO ALLORA CON UNA BATTERIA 19 VOLT /2AMP. ? ... GRAZIE !
based on my workflow and providing the budget allows; I'd go with DLZ and Streamer X, best of both worlds and a quick half-decent video option outta the gate...
Hi! Why is reverberation played in monophonic mode in RODECaster Pro 2? Can we expect this issue to be fixed in the next firmware of the RØDECaster Pro II? Can this built-in reverb produce a natural surround stereo signal, as in all other mixing consoles from any other manufacturer over the past 50 years?
@@curtisjudd I asked several times. I recently received an answer similar to the truth.) *** The biggest reason for why it is mono is because each channel has its own FX bus as opposed to a one or two FX buses that you might find on some consoles.
Each of these are mono.
Giving each channel its own FX bus allows the user to have different FX per channel as opposed to all of them sharing the same FX when sent to the bus.
Having them in stereo would essentially double the load on a digital console, unlike on an analogue console.
@@NIKTONvideo Yep, makes sense. Seems like they really did mean that this was for spoken word podcasting, even though the inputs are mic/line/instrument.
@@LearnLightAndSoundSessions There was speech and musicians and singers in the advertisements and reviews. That's why I bought the device. Nowhere has anyone mentioned that reverberation is mono.) Even if it's just speech - FM radio has been around for several decades.) If the reverberation effect is turned on, it should be stereo.
Is the canon c70 balanced ? Will it work direct to c70 with this mackie ? Will rodecaster pro 2 work direct to c70 ?which of these 2 works better with c70 ? Which will work better with a camera like a canon r6 mark ii ?
The C70 has balanced inputs which can switch to line level. I’ve tried sending audio from both to the C70 and got the expected results from the DLZ but the RODE’s output level was far lower than line level, even when switched to line level for the outputs. So I’d recommend the DLZ.
@@creativegreatsvisuals More than I can answer in a TH-cam comment. But the short version is that balanced cables are more immune to interference and you can generally run balanced cables longer distances. Line level audio signals are audio signals that are already amplified by a pre-amplifier.
I recently switched to the Mackie from Rode mostly because of the larger screen. I’m hoping they do frequent firmware updates. If not I’ll be so disappointed.
I like the Mackie DLZ Creator. I like the user interface and Easy - Enhanced - Pro options. However I wish Enhanced mode had just a little more specific tweaking capability. It seems like just a hair more than Easy mode. DLZ Creator also supports audio over USB as an input as well as Bluetooth which is great. However, it only has 4 inputs with preamps...Mackie Onyx 80 preamps which came out 18 years ago in 2005...😬🤷♂️ More of a "mini mixer" than a true mixer. I'd like to see at least 10 combo jack inputs, all with better preamps. There's a rumor I heard that Mackie is working on a bigger, more expensive version of this but I have no idea of when it will come out or if true. Another new digital mixer that's a peg up from these is the new Yamaha DM3S ($1,699) and DM3D ($1,999). More inputs and supports up to 96kHz. However, I much prefer the UI of the DLZ Creator. Digital mixers have really come a long way. If I had to buy right now I'd probably get the Yamaha DM3S or DM3D but if Mackie makes a bigger, better version I'd lean in their favor.
The screen and 100mm faders define its size to a large extent. I’d you want a smaller mixer, consider the DLZ XS: th-cam.com/video/4EcSOlgB5ss/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
Why is it that no company manufactures an audio mixer which includes 3 hdmi imputs for cameras and controls to use it as a video swicher at the same time? For a video podcast, you have to buy 2 different devices.
What is the best simplest overdub software I can get on my Mac? Would you recommend this for a musician? I also stream smash bros. What audio interface do you recommend for acoustic folk musicians?
@@curtisjudd Well, it's 1AM here and i've just ordered one. Thanks for the video. I suspect i'll box up and sell my Rodecaster II. The big screen sold it to me. I love the Rodecaster too. It may end up in another room with a PC if I can make space.
@@LearnLightAndSoundSessions Also, I put the beta firmware on my Rodecaster II. Hopefully they'll release the full version soon. Check out the feature list if you haven't already. Note though; when you upgrade it will will zap your config.
I asked this to Rode. On May 24th, I got this answer: While we don't currently have an ETA on when this will be addressed at this point in time, I will make sure to pass this onto the development team for their consideration and awareness.
Hi Curtis, I just got the Mackie DLZ, I already went through the whole firmware process, I did the guided set up, I plugged the USB cable but somehow my computer is not detecting the Mackie. Any idea what the problem might be? Thank you! 0:0
Curtis.......here's a 2 week report on DLZ. First, and as I've said previously, build quality is MUCH BETTER than the Rodecaster Pro. I love everything about it. However, I"m having an issue with my PC 'disconnecting' from the unit on a regular basis. Most of the times, it's a brief interruption (2-4 seconds) that I'm alerted about by Adobe Audition telling me my audio gear is 'changing'. Other times, everything will lock up, require a reboot and session audio is generally lost. FYI, I've run several interfaces on this studio computer including a Universal Audio Apollo and the RCP1 and 2 with zero issues. Mackie support (which has been superb) is recommending a higher quality USB-C TO USB-A cable, which I've ordered (Ankor brand). Let me know if you have any thoughts. I really want to see this mixer work, but am a little concerned that I may have to replace it with another RCP2 if I can't get this issue fixed. Thanks, as always, for your wise counsel. Pete
Hi Pete, I haven't experienced any USB disconnects so I agree with support that this is a critical first troubleshooting step. I hope that solves it for you!
@@curtisjudd it's been quite a journey. my latest tweak has been to totally disable the on-board realtek audio on my desktop. that seems to make it more stable.
12:22 I watched this video specifically for an underneath shot of the Mackie DLZ Creator (since no one, even unboxers 'showing off' the product, includes one). Lo and behold, underneath shot of the RODECaster Pro 2, but not the Mackie. O: Oh well. Otherwise, a good comparo.
Hi, thanks for responding! Specific things I like to check out (besides the presence or absence of stand mounts) are the presence (or absence) of rubber feet. Some mixers have them, some only have small plastic extensions, and a few have nothing at all. While this is might not be a huge deal for a home setup where movement is minimal, it might matter more in a live setting, where things get bumped around a lot, don't want a desk to get damaged, etc. The bottom also often has technical information printed on it. And, of course, just good old fashioned thorough completeness. d: Again, thanks for doing this for so long and sticking with the format.@@curtisjudd
Looks like according to the Mackie support site that the DLZ has a 1 year warranty. It is their audio accessories which have a 90 day warranty. Unless I misread that?
But for spoken word audio and talkovers the Gigcaster 8 has all the same features as the others and more including 32-bit float recording 48 kHz sampling rate, USB in. bluetooth in, 16 gig of internal storage for effects and music playback, Very high end built in voice effects right from the Boss effects line that has been used for years now for voice and talk over and signing plus a full set for singing plus the hundreds of Boss high end guitar sounds and effects same as what you get in they high end guitar pedals, Monitor Talkback, 4 headphone out, Mobile jack in, Can use many different Footswitchs with it, 8 pads that can do a lot more then just trigger sound like full midi support to run things like OBS or camera control, Audio Ducking with more control then the others, Also works as a 20x14 USB audio interface for multitrack recording in music production. The built in voice effects are worth it just for that so you can mix your voice with very good effects when you are recording. Plus you can do this to each channel to mix each mike different as needed with effects. I think you are missing all this can do VS the others. It smokes the Roadcaster II and beats the DLZ as well for features and what you can do.
Excellent job! It would be good to know the number of virtual inputs and outputs each device creates on the computer since that can be vital information in live streams.
RODECaster Pro II creates 16 virtual input channels via USB when in multitrack mode. I dont' have it connected at the moment, but I believe the DLZ is similar.
Wonderful job! This is the first time I've seen mention of the latency of these mixers. In my case use of using RØDECaster II as a live mixer with audio from a television, we always have to turn down the TV speakers, because the latency out of the amplifier makes everything sound weird.
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Wow, you give really good reviews, I appreciate it very much! I think I’m sold on the DLZ Creator. Screen size, individual control knobs, interface, automix, auto ducking, set up modes, auto levels for example. I think the preamps on the DLZ sound a bit cleaner. It is something I can learn from and grow with as I progress. Lots of headroom for future updates including the mysterious Ethernet port. So, yeah in a couple of weeks I will be behind the console … HBD to me! Thanks again.
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Thank you, Chris, for this wonderful review. I have a neighbor who inspired me to purchase a podcast digital mixer. He has the Rodecaster Pro II, I purchased the DLZ Creator because I have been into Music Grear for over 30 years and Mackie has been around for a while. Overall, after the purchase, I love the quality of the sound with the Mackie and the functionality is very sufficient for my workflow. I still Love your presentation as an after-purchase confirmation of this great product.
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One of the best reviews on rodecaster and also comparison was really good and I watched lots of videos. Thank you.
Thanks!
Have been waiting for comparisons on these two. Thanks. I have vision challenges so the bigger screen is alluring but not enough so far to help me declare a clear winner for my needs.
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I just got the DLZ and I'm happy with it. I know its coming in future updates but we definitely need more presets in there.
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Kudos, Curtis! Especially for the table.
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What teleprompter is shown at 5:20 ?
Ikan
05:22 - what teleprompter is that? It looks nearly 2x the size of the Elgato Prompter but with a similar screen.
It is an Ikan. I don't know the model number. It cost about $2000 when I bought it.
Thanks for comparing products fro Chicago
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Excellent review, yesterday I was helping a friend and they had the new Yamaha DM3-D for the sound. It was very nice. there about 2k so it was more expensive but it has Dante!
Neat! I'd love to try the DM3-D!
been waiting for this; thank you, sending love and peace to everyone...
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Great review Curtis! The Mackie DLZ looks like the one for me.
Hey Matt, good to hear from you. Happy recording! 🎙️🎧
Thanks from Chicago you sole me on Rode
Happy recording!
@@curtisjudd Thanks from Chicago
Thank you this is the best descrption and reviewer of this productos
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Now I know why the atem mini audio is total crap in Zoom when using the Rode Master Output connected to the atem mic input. Wasted hours of time trying to fix this. Connecting a Rode headphone output to the atem mic resolved the problem. Thanks for pointing out the problem of connecting balanced output to unbalanced input.
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Love how the SV33 looks.
Me too. Sad that they discontinued it.
@@curtisjudd hoping they will release something even better in the near future. I love earthworks sound signature. And the ethos and icon pro is more pocket friendly financially.
@@curtisjudd In don't understand why they discontinued it. On every review I heard, I love the precision of his sound. You have chance to have one. sorry for bad english.
@@2121cv they claim the ETHOS is better and more affordable.
Fab review and comparison. Thank you. It will help my buying decision.
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Great review, seems like the Boss Gigcaster 8 blows them both away, can't wait till you compare the 3 :)
Need to figure out how to borrow one 😃 I assume you’re a musician?
@@curtisjudd A poor excuse for one, only as a hobby. I do a little bit of everything. From what I can tell the Boss Gigacaster 8 has all the features of RC Pro 2 and Mackie DLZ and the TASCAM MC4 with added Bluetooth, Aux In, Vocoder, Guitar Pedal Effects, Multitrack Recording, Midi controller, supports foot switches and pedals, 20x14 USB audio interface.
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@@iwmaxxdoes it have auto mix features though like the mackie has ?
Thanks for this wonderful comparison video.
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Judd it’s me Lenny I hope you are well … great video
Hi Lenny! I hope you’re well, too.
I don't think the lack of a second usb port on the Mackie DLZ is a problem. For taking output from a gaming console or output from a second computer and using that in a mix, I got the following advice from Mackie: For something like this you would need to use the audio output of another computer or game console via 1/8 inch to 1/8th inch cable or 1/8th inch to dual 1/4 inch cable. The 1/8th to 1/8th connection would be plugged into the 7/8 input of the DLZ Creator. The 1/8th inch to dual 1/4 inch cable would connect to the 5/6 input of the DLZ Creator.
Good solution.
Mackie pioneered the combination balanced/ unbalanced 1/4" output on their first generation of analog mixers back in the early 90s. If you use a balanced TRS cable out of the Mackie, it provides balanced outputs to cameras that accept balanced line-level. However, you can also use unbalanced TS cables, at which poit the outputs send an unbalanced signal to the destination. You do not need to use a direct box or unbalance the signal in some other way. I just re-read this and realized it probably looks like I work for Mackie. I don't. I have just owned a half dozen of their mixers since 1993. Even the first 1202 I bought back then had the balanced/ unbalanced feature.
Worth a test!
Is that big foot I see on your shirt? Love it. What’s the brand?
I don't know who that is - Eddie Bauer.
😂 thanks
I can always trust Curtis with a great review!!!!
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Thanks for letting me know that the Mackie DLZ lacks the key feature that would make it a viable outside broadcast mixer for a radio station- the auto monitor mute when the mics are on. I also recall reading somewhere that the 4 multi mic channel inputs aren't true multi inputs, that is, they only offer a Mic Level. To be useful for me they'd need to offer Line In OR Mic level.
You can manually mute the monitor outputs and the 4 combo inputs are truly mic/line/instrument switchable on the DLZ.
@@curtisjudd Thats good that the first 4 channels are truly multi inputs. However it makes it so much easier for our less experienced presenters to have auto mute. Hopefully a future firmware update will incorporate this feature. If this happened I'd recommend our station buy one.
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@@stephencharman9604how does auto mute help with less experienced presenters? What is auto mute ? What are monitors ? Headphones monitors ?
Superb as always Curtis! :)
Thank you 🙏
detailed and helpful as always, thank you!
Thanks!
NDI!!!!! Just made it my #1 choice.
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The DLZ-Creator looks more attractive to me. However, it took Mackie a bit too long to come out with it. Once you subscribe to an ecosystem, which Rode seems to be spareheading in the audio industry, it takes more than just money to think outside that ecosystem. Rode has succeeded in creating the 'Apple-like' image for themselves. Every video of Rode reminds you of Apple products. Good job, Rode.
Can Mackie stand the competition and provide firmware updates that make an old device new with the release of major updates like Rode does? Time will tell.
And thanks for the in-depth review, Curtis. Technically comprehensive, as always.
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11:45 I think I joked during the YT livestream when you demo'd Mackie DLZ. Max gain level on the Mackie was the metaphorical equivalent of the movie: This is Spinal Tap in the scene where the amp rotary pot label goes up to "11" instead of 10. 80dB gain is impressive, no doubt. 👀
This one goes to…80.
Love to see boss gigcaster in this review as well ....... so if you can get ur hands on one .... I would love to see that
Me too!
Thank you very much for the tutorials you publish🙏🙏
As you know, in programs with the presence of the crowd, in order to record the sound of the performance space but not play it in the master and speaker, we must close the microphone feeder line and only adjust the microphone gain.
Which one of these two devices has this feature? Mackie DLZ Creator or RODECaster Pro 2 ?
While thanking you again, the second question is:
How do you evaluate the sound quality of Dynacord analog mixer compared to these two devices and finally which one do you recommend?
Thank you very much for your attention and response❤🙏
They can both record isolated channels, even with a channel fader down. You’ll just need to configure it to record pre-fader. I’m not familiar with a Dynacord.
Thanks. Does the Mackie automix across all channels. E.g ducking bedding/FX with your vocal? Can you set priorities?
Great comparison! Thank you. I have a question:
Is there a mixer & recorder that provides 32-bit flow ADC? There are field recorders with this capability but I didn't come across a mixer with 32-bit flow. I mean 32-bit is already an industry standard. When I get for a podcast 3-4 people, I want to know that I don't ruin anything with levels or they won't produce too loud sound too close to a mic that it'd ruin recording. Usually, trying to retake similar conversation and get together similar people is extremely hard or rather impossible. Properly speaking I don't understand why brands still release 24-bit recorders while 32-bit ones are more versatile.
Not that I'm aware of.
For spoken word audio, 24-bit is not usually a problem, especially if you have a compressor built-in to the device.
@@curtisjudd Thank you!
One more question of you don't mind. Does RodeCaster Pro 2 have good DAC and amps for headphones? Some reviewers noticed that RodeCaster Duo has terrible low-quality DAC and it's just impossible to use it as an audio-interface due to a very bad DAC. What's the situation with Pro 2? Did Rode used low quality DAC for Duo model only or the Pro 2 model also has the same low-quality DAC?
Wonderfull job! any thought on the Tascam mixcaster 4?
No, unfortunately haven't had a chance to use it.
Curtis: how do you connect the RCP 2 directly to your camera to get the best sound ??
That’s the trick, I wasn’t able to sort this out and reported it to RODE. The “monitor” outputs were not delivering anything close to a line level signal. Still haven’t solved this problem. I’ve been using the DLZ instead.
Rodecaster 2 has a audio issue they fail to tell you about even if you speak with them directly,then sent me a replacement knowing there was a known issue,im looking into returning mines for a Mackie
Which issue is that?
When im live the audio just stops,its a known issue goes back 3 years,I read dozens of comments (which I should of before I purchased) a lot said the same thing rode did with me,acted clueless & sent me a new one that immediately did the same thing.
@@DJSpeedNWA Interesting, must be some copies. Mine hasn't done that....yet.
Is there a post production solution that will allow you to do an Auto Mix when you have separate audio tracks for each interview guest?
Yes. They do it all the time in film and TV post production called railroading where you cut out the parts of clips where talent aren’t currently speaking. It is tedious and time consuming. You can also try plugins like WT Automixer.
@@curtisjudd Thank you. I have been doing the manual railroading for awhile, but I was hoping to find a plugin that could do it quicker. Looks like the WT Automixer is a good option that will save a lot of time.
The volt 276 can be powered by iPad and iPhone ( I think external battery might be needed for iPhone ) that way one can do a podcast on the go outside a studio can the rodecaster pro 2 do the same ?
iPhone certainly cannot power the RCPII. I also doubt an iPad can. Possibly an iPad Pro but even if it can, it would suck the battery down really quickly. So I’d plan to have a good sized battery bank to power the RCP.
@@curtisjudd ok thanks not sure if it’s worth returning volt 276 for rodecaster duo as a portable option ..I also want to pick up a dlz for in studio use
Going to buy one of these and the Atem Mini Pro for our upcoming video podcast. 2-4 guests and am considering buying 4 Rode Podcast mics. Based on this video, and the automatic setup for multiple guests, bigger screen, and 4 adjustment knobs, I think the DLZ is the way I'd go. But, if I'm buying Rode mics, do you think I should buy the RODECaster?
The RODE mics should work just fine with the DLZ. Also, both RODE and Mackie are now owned by the same parent company if you are trying to “keep it in the same family”.
Great Review! :) Needs that AirTable! - but I couldn't zoom it - it's about 6 point in Firefox in Windows 11. I even Googled it and got some serious garbage info. :(
Thanks. Will try another method next time.
Great side by side, i just need to now find a multitrack setup guide which would help me decide if upgrading rode version 1 worth it. My use case is to have music into mixer out to daw and back again for playback without going from asio to mme in audition as rode 1 usb 1 in 1 out. Had rode 2 for awhile and did work sort of but 1st version so firmware not great and lifting top plate so returned.
Thanks.
I wonder if "auto mix" has been added (in software) on the RODE ?
Not yet as far as I’m aware.
Great comparative review, as always, thanks you! Do you know, or have any sense of? anymore about future support for the DLZ post Rode’s purchase of Mackie? The updates on the DLZ since launch haven’t exactly been stellar, with the most recent firmware update (version 1.2) having been last February. That said they have implemented audio over Ethernet, any thoughts on how that might perform compared to usb c on the Rode? Would one expect more or less latency over Ethernet, more or better performance? Any thoughts you can share, would be much appreciated. Thank you!
The firmware updates have been slower from Mackie, but in my estimation, that’s because they got so much right from the beginning. I still find the DLZ effects easier to setup and get the sound I want. The RODECaster compressor in particular for some reason. These are just my subjective thoughts so don’t take them for anything more than that.
I’ve used the network audio feature only once since it isn’t necessary for my workflows, but cool that they added it. I haven’t done any formal measurements of latency. My sense is that it’ll depend on a lot of factors - network latency being the foremost. But you can use the DLZ via USB as well, if the network option isn’t working well for any given project.
Each week since I first received the DLZ I decide what to use for my livestream that week. I’ve chosen the DLZ 90% of the time and things other than the RODECaster Pro for the remaining 10%.
I started to create a course on the RODECaster but eventually abandoned it when it took too long to get things working reliably…and then my vacation time reserved to work on the course ran out.
Note that I bought the RCP2 with my money. Mackie gave me the DLZ to make the original review (not this video).
It is one of those situations where on paper the RCP2 generally looks superior, but in my experience, I enjoy working with the DLZ more. Maybe that’s because I learned to mix on an analogue mixing board and so the DLZ just makes sense to me. 🤷♂️
Now that Rode owns Mackie, I wonder where these 2 products will meet in future versions...
Yes, can’t wait to see!
grate video very fair and informative
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So the Rodecaster do not have any effect to put on input ? Just if using their own mic... So the Dlz could be better ..?
I don’t understand the question. I’m sorry.
Great video, thank you!
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I have a question I hope you can answer. On the DLZ I’m having an issue with my Skype co-host not hearing my sound pads or anything coming from the unit besides. My Skype setting from Mic & speakers are Mackie Dlz
Hmm, not sure. Probably best to contact Mackie support so you can talk it through with them.
Curtis, I am just starting a podcast for my company. I love the ease in which the Mackie allows newbies to get up and running. But, we do plan on doing field interviews with multiple guests. With that in mind I see the DLZ Creator is has dropped to $639. So I am torn as to the cost versus benefit, especially never having seen either one. Any thoughts or suggestions?
By field interviews do you mean there will not be AC power available? If so, RODECaster Pro II.
@@curtisjudd Sorry, I am not using the term correctly. By field, I just mean out-and-about, not in a studio, probably in a hotel. I am working for a nonprofit, and they have me starting a podcast. I will be recording interviews literally around the world. But Ill have power... for the most part.
@@MattBrandon Then the next consideration: Size. The RODECaster PRO II is substantially smaller in size than the DLZ. They both have dedicated backpacks available for transport so that helps. But only you can decide if the extra size will work for you.
@@curtisjudd I think I’ll just go for the RCP2. I think it’s best for my use. Thanks for your advice!
Another extremely informative video, Curtis! I really appreciate all the time you put into these reviews. Quick question if you don't mind: what microphone are you using in this video? I see in the video description, under "gear used", you list Earthworks Ethos and Shure SM7B, but I'm pretty sure the mic you're using is not either of those. I ask because I think it sounds great, especially on your voice!
I used the Earthworks SV33 which, sadly, they discontinued. They claim the ETHOS sounds just as great and I do like the ETHOS quite a lot!
Hey Curtis! I have two questions
1. What is the EIN of the microphone inputs on the Mackie DLZ Creator? They seem to be very secretive of this and I can't find any info on it that I can compare to the Rodecaster Pro II. I care a lot about this as I use an SM7B and want to reduce the hiss as much as possible. The Spec sheet says -143.4 dBV A-weighted, compared to the Rodecaster 2's -131.5dBV (A-weighted). That sounds impossibly quiet, do those results fall in line with your measurements? When you compare them, is the Mackie quieter?
2. Apparently the Mackie DLZ Creator is now $639, making it significantly cheaper than the Rodecaster 2 (this could be a response to Rode acquiring Mackie.) With that in mind, do you believe the Mackie has significantly more value for the cost now?
1. I don’t have the tools to measure at that level, but in practical use, the DLZ and RCP2 both have very clean preamps that can easily drive the SM7B.
2. Yes! And I have run into fewer weird glitches and software bugs with the DLZ. My perspective after another 7 months of use leans even more heavily toward the DLZ.
@@curtisjudd Okay, thank you! :)
Do you know if Mackie plans to add fun voice effect filters like the Rodecaster pro 2 did?
Yes, they did on the DLZ XS and will likely add that to the original DLZ in a firmware update.
@@curtisjudd thank you that's great to know!
@@curtisjudddo you know what exactly are the effect added? Im using it a lot on my rcpii, but im having big delay when i activate them.
@@curtisjuddi can still exchange it for the mackie and im struggling between both. I use a lot of soundbank transfert with rode central and i dont find the information if we can do the same woth the mackie? But the mackie preamp and sound quality overall seems better
@@Jeanbobinhorobot, ducking so far
thats all great stuff but which one sounds better??
They sound about the same, though the Mackie may sound the slightest bit warmer (more low-end). But just very, very slightly.
@@curtisjudd Hi Curtis, would you say that the Mackie pre-amps are on par with the RODE ones or are they better? Thanks!
@@ElPapistaRomanista They're virtually identical for practical purposes though the Mackie's sound a bit warmer and produce less self-noise by a tiny amount. Only the most careful, high-quality headphone side by side listening will reveal the differences. 99.9999999% of audience members will not notice a difference.
@@curtisjudd Thank you Curtis, you're the best! 🙏
Hi Curtis, 3 months later what do you think. Not a lot of updates on the DLZ and I'd like to know your opinion about the Automix feature not leveling up the volume of a low priority mic. Because I fond that a problem. Don't you, have you find a work around using Automix and how does it compare to the Procaster Pro II capability to control level while many people talks together.
The automix is not the finest I’ve used, but still somewhat useful. They added NDI audio recently so there’s hope for more updates. Still my first choice for my streams.
What’s a low priority mic ?
@@creativegreatsvisuals In this context, the DLZ will keep the fader at a lower level for the low priority channel vs. others at medium and high priority.
@@curtisjudd what’s low ,medium and high priority mean ?
@@creativegreatsvisuals It refers to how much of each channel makes it to the mix, from what I can tell. Low priority will always be quieter than medium or high priority. It seems like a rather crude implementation of automixing.
2 HUGE advantage of DLZ , 2 stereo analog inputs through some audio interface you can add 4 more microphones and there is automix , it would be good if you could activate it on all channels
Yes and yes
I have a question about the DLZ creator, when I record it on multi track on the SD card. It splits the audio after 18 minutes of recording an hour podcast can be split into four different portions. Have you found out to be an issue or work around for it?
I drop the files into a timeline in order in my DAW app and that works fine.
Great video. Thank you! 🤗 Wonder whether you came across BOSS Gigcaster 8 Audio Streaming Mixer - apparently a very potent competitor to these two AND it has both 32-bit recording and sound. Maybe it's not that actively promoted as the two mixers but from what I read in specs it should be very decent. Did you by any chance dealt with this mixer?
Not first hand, no. It seems more aimed at musicians and I’m not sure I understand the value of 32-but float audio for livestream because stream platforms don’t support it and even if they did, speakers and headphones cannot adapt to audio over 0dB.
@@curtisjudd Yep. Agree. 32-bit is just a good bonus point, not the main feature. Nevertheless, it's nice to have. Especially when recording a podcast and one of the guests would become too loud.
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Hi Curtis,
I notice you said you wouldn’t recommend the DLZ for people that want the audio for atem mini’s. Do you have a suggestion for a mixer to output to the switcher (on a budget 😉).
Thanks you for always giving us great content👏🏽
I feed the audio from the DLZ to camera instead and that works nicely. Here are some other tips: th-cam.com/video/jW4V6owu7SI/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
So I got the Rodecaster Duo and connected my S23 Ultra with the supplied cable to USB2 in the back of the unit. I have my Macbook Pro as my music source connected to USB1 and set up as Chat in the system preferences audio settings, and I also tried the main multitrack. My Shure dynamic mic is in channel 1, and I followed the wizard set up using RodeCaster Master class.
The input signals work coming in to the device, but none of my callers can hear the music, sounds effects, and when I talk thru the microphone, but I can hear them. All of my faders are up. The signals are coming thru all the channels. The input and output meters are good, but the only thing is that my callers can't hear me on a regular phone call. Why?
When I switched it to Bluetooth, they can hear me but the audio quality is very poor, comes in and out very faintly like listening to bad headphones.
Can you or anyone help me please!!!! Thanks so much!!
It's worth mentioning that there is now a firmware update for the Mackie DLZ that makes it NDI compatible.
Indeed, we covered that here: th-cam.com/users/liveYhGFxN_qk2k?feature=shared
Another great production Curtis! I’m told the DLZ has a rack mount kit available. Is this your understanding?
Not that I’ve seen, though they do make such kits for most of their other mixers so perhaps a kit is on its way.
@@curtisjudd Actually, as you suggested, it cannot be rack mounted. However, I just purchased an ON STAGE shelf for the top of my rack that will perfectly hold the mixer. Also I just received my DLZ today and have it running in one of our studios. Works great. I didn't use any of the tutorials they have and it's an easy set up. Biggest difference, IMO, from the Rodecaster is BUILD QUALITY. This thing is built like a tank. My biggest beef with the RCP2 is that it's really cheaply made. I've had to return 2 of them so far because they came apart (literally).
@@ConsumerTeamPete Yes, it is my understanding that the first production run of the RCP2 had issues with the top panel coming unglued from the body but they have evidently solved that problem with later production runs. I hope that's the case.
But yes, I prefer the Mackie. I've had a few gaming streamers accuse me of being a shill for saying I prefer the Mackie because to them, the dual USB ports makes the RCP2 an "objectively better choice." I have no doubt it does for those who like to use software instead of hardware encoders for their livestreams, but I'm more old-school and prefer to use a hardware encoder and run audio out of my mixer directly to camera or hardware switcher.
I’m planning to connect a RCP2 to an ATEM mini. 2x 1/4” TRS to XLR cables to go from monitor out to an ART Cleanbox pro. This will convert the +4 to a -10 unbalanced 3.5mm which the ATEM will accept.
Do you think a firmware update could have an option to change the 1/4” TRS output jack to act as a -10 unbalanced stereo?
I don’t know.
What do you think of the duo? By rode is actually a rode aster 2 clone just les buttons or not?
Same with fewer inputs and buttons.
Hey Curtis, thanks for great reviews! I just bought a DPA 2011 twin diaphragm microphone and I cant get it work with my DLZ Creator. Any ideas? Greetings from Sweden 🙂 / Ulf
Hmm, I assume you've turned on phantom power and gained up, but if that didn't work, probably best to contact DPA for support. Best wishes!
Hi Curtis. Hope that you are doing well! One question . DLZ is capable of record voice over with professional quality? Have like for ex Apollo twin x for record voice over and commercials, and another investment in DLZ to do content , can dlz substitute one Apollo twin x ? Thank you so much for your work and help us to make decisions . Cheers from Portugal.
Hi Dr Lopes, yes, in my experience it is good enough.
Does it have time code?! Can I use tc1 on it?!
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based on my workflow and providing the budget allows; I'd go with DLZ and Streamer X, best of both worlds and a quick half-decent video option outta the gate...
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Hi! Why is reverberation played in monophonic mode in RODECaster Pro 2? Can we expect this issue to be fixed in the next firmware of the RØDECaster Pro II? Can this built-in reverb produce a natural surround stereo signal, as in all other mixing consoles from any other manufacturer over the past 50 years?
Great questions for RØDE. When you ask RODE support, what do they say?
@@curtisjudd I asked several times. I recently received an answer similar to the truth.)
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The biggest reason for why it is mono is because each channel has its own FX bus as opposed to a one or two FX buses that you might find on some consoles.
Each of these are mono.
Giving each channel its own FX bus allows the user to have different FX per channel as opposed to all of them sharing the same FX when sent to the bus.
Having them in stereo would essentially double the load on a digital console, unlike on an analogue console.
I hope this clarifies!
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A real stereo reverb, in case someone needs it.😁
@@NIKTONvideo Yep, makes sense. Seems like they really did mean that this was for spoken word podcasting, even though the inputs are mic/line/instrument.
@@LearnLightAndSoundSessions There was speech and musicians and singers in the advertisements and reviews. That's why I bought the device. Nowhere has anyone mentioned that reverberation is mono.) Even if it's just speech - FM radio has been around for several decades.) If the reverberation effect is turned on, it should be stereo.
Is the canon c70 balanced ? Will it work direct to c70 with this mackie ? Will rodecaster pro 2 work direct to c70 ?which of these 2 works better with c70 ? Which will work better with a camera like a canon r6 mark ii ?
The C70 has balanced inputs which can switch to line level. I’ve tried sending audio from both to the C70 and got the expected results from the DLZ but the RODE’s output level was far lower than line level, even when switched to line level for the outputs. So I’d recommend the DLZ.
@@curtisjudd thanks . Sounds like Another great thing about c70 . what’s balanced inputs actually mean and what’s line level actually mean ?
@@creativegreatsvisuals More than I can answer in a TH-cam comment. But the short version is that balanced cables are more immune to interference and you can generally run balanced cables longer distances. Line level audio signals are audio signals that are already amplified by a pre-amplifier.
@@curtisjudd so if it’s possible line level sounds better if there is no interference?
@@curtisjudd so line level sounds better if it’s possible to do ?
off hand, do you or anyone happen to know if the same pres and converters are used in both the RØDECaster Duo and RODECaster Pro 2
I believe so, although I’m not absolutely certain.
youve got to do the Boss Gigcaster, from a musicians perspective perhaps
Except I’m not much of a musician. 🙂
I recently switched to the Mackie from Rode mostly because of the larger screen. I’m hoping they do frequent firmware updates. If not I’ll be so disappointed.
I hope so, too.
Golly - forgot to mention the record features. Single/Redundant SD at ... 48/24? (Minimum) + the USB interface. It's a lot to ask of them!
You mean the ability to record and send audio via USB at the same time?
I like the Mackie DLZ Creator. I like the user interface and Easy - Enhanced - Pro options. However I wish Enhanced mode had just a little more specific tweaking capability. It seems like just a hair more than Easy mode.
DLZ Creator also supports audio over USB as an input as well as Bluetooth which is great. However, it only has 4 inputs with preamps...Mackie Onyx 80 preamps which came out 18 years ago in 2005...😬🤷♂️ More of a "mini mixer" than a true mixer. I'd like to see at least 10 combo jack inputs, all with better preamps. There's a rumor I heard that Mackie is working on a bigger, more expensive version of this but I have no idea of when it will come out or if true.
Another new digital mixer that's a peg up from these is the new Yamaha DM3S ($1,699) and DM3D ($1,999). More inputs and supports up to 96kHz. However, I much prefer the UI of the DLZ Creator. Digital mixers have really come a long way. If I had to buy right now I'd probably get the Yamaha DM3S or DM3D but if Mackie makes a bigger, better version I'd lean in their favor.
Will be interesting to see what they do with it!
What are the differences in terms of audio interface capabilities? Say in terms of loopback capabilities, number of channels, etc.
Pretty much the same.
The Mackie has no a talkback function? Why is so large anyways?
The screen and 100mm faders define its size to a large extent. I’d you want a smaller mixer, consider the DLZ XS: th-cam.com/video/4EcSOlgB5ss/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
Why is it that no company manufactures an audio mixer which includes 3 hdmi imputs for cameras and controls to use it as a video swicher at the same time? For a video podcast, you have to buy 2 different devices.
Market opportunity!
Do we think the DLZ will ever be capable of overdubbing?
It is today when connected to a computer via USB and with a DAW. But stand-alone? I don’t know. The hardware seems capable enough.
What is the best simplest overdub software I can get on my Mac? Would you recommend this for a musician? I also stream smash bros. What audio interface do you recommend for acoustic folk musicians?
@@korlmusic5159 GarageBand and a MOTU M1: th-cam.com/video/fu0uBm3SyaI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=SlDl7l2t599a8Rnv
Looks like it might run windows embedded judging by the spinning boot wheel. It's identical to the windows one.
Maybe!
@@curtisjudd Well, it's 1AM here and i've just ordered one. Thanks for the video. I suspect i'll box up and sell my Rodecaster II. The big screen sold it to me. I love the Rodecaster too. It may end up in another room with a PC if I can make space.
@@JamieCrookes I hope the DLZ works well for you!
@@LearnLightAndSoundSessions Many thanks sir! I shall sub to your channel now before I forget! :)
@@LearnLightAndSoundSessions Also, I put the beta firmware on my Rodecaster II. Hopefully they'll release the full version soon. Check out the feature list if you haven't already. Note though; when you upgrade it will will zap your config.
Let's hope AutoMix is added to the RCP2, via a firmware update.
That would be really nice.
I asked this to Rode. On May 24th, I got this answer: While we don't currently have an ETA on when this will be addressed at this point in time, I will make sure to pass this onto the development team for their consideration and awareness.
Hi Curtis, I just got the Mackie DLZ, I already went through the whole firmware process, I did the guided set up, I plugged the USB cable but somehow my computer is not detecting the Mackie. Any idea what the problem might be? Thank you! 0:0
Probably best to contact Mackie support. Best wishes and happy recording!
@@curtisjudd I'll do it, thanks Curtis! 😉👍
Curtis.......here's a 2 week report on DLZ. First, and as I've said previously, build quality is MUCH BETTER than the Rodecaster Pro. I love everything about it. However, I"m having an issue with my PC 'disconnecting' from the unit on a regular basis. Most of the times, it's a brief interruption (2-4 seconds) that I'm alerted about by Adobe Audition telling me my audio gear is 'changing'. Other times, everything will lock up, require a reboot and session audio is generally lost. FYI, I've run several interfaces on this studio computer including a Universal Audio Apollo and the RCP1 and 2 with zero issues. Mackie support (which has been superb) is recommending a higher quality USB-C TO USB-A cable, which I've ordered (Ankor brand). Let me know if you have any thoughts. I really want to see this mixer work, but am a little concerned that I may have to replace it with another RCP2 if I can't get this issue fixed. Thanks, as always, for your wise counsel. Pete
Hi Pete, I haven't experienced any USB disconnects so I agree with support that this is a critical first troubleshooting step. I hope that solves it for you!
@@curtisjudd it's been quite a journey. my latest tweak has been to totally disable the on-board realtek audio on my desktop. that seems to make it more stable.
Should have added the tascam
Send it over and I’ll include it 😉
12:22 I watched this video specifically for an underneath shot of the Mackie DLZ Creator (since no one, even unboxers 'showing off' the product, includes one). Lo and behold, underneath shot of the RODECaster Pro 2, but not the Mackie. O: Oh well. Otherwise, a good comparo.
What are you looking for underneath? It does NOT have a threaded mount.
Hi, thanks for responding! Specific things I like to check out (besides the presence or absence of stand mounts) are the presence (or absence) of rubber feet. Some mixers have them, some only have small plastic extensions, and a few have nothing at all. While this is might not be a huge deal for a home setup where movement is minimal, it might matter more in a live setting, where things get bumped around a lot, don't want a desk to get damaged, etc. The bottom also often has technical information printed on it.
And, of course, just good old fashioned thorough completeness. d:
Again, thanks for doing this for so long and sticking with the format.@@curtisjudd
Also why a pee cup Chris? Is it to use while driving? You can pee behind a tree
pee cup?
WTF...???
Fair warning. Mackie only has a 3 month warranty. The rode has TWO YEAR warranty. This is and should be a big deal for everyone
Looks like according to the Mackie support site that the DLZ has a 1 year warranty. It is their audio accessories which have a 90 day warranty. Unless I misread that?
Looks like the DLZ is running on windows😂😂😂, it's a windows loading animation 🤣🤣🤣
Maybe. I’m not sure.
I saw that too!!
What about the Boss GIGCASTER 8 it seems to be the better one vs the ones here the build its plugins and effects for voice and guitar.
For music, yes. The context here is for spoken word audio.
But for spoken word audio and talkovers the Gigcaster 8 has all the same features as the others and more including 32-bit float recording 48 kHz sampling rate, USB in. bluetooth in, 16 gig of internal storage for effects and music playback, Very high end built in voice effects right from the Boss effects line that has been used for years now for voice and talk over and signing plus a full set for singing plus the hundreds of Boss high end guitar sounds and effects same as what you get in they high end guitar pedals, Monitor Talkback, 4 headphone out, Mobile jack in, Can use many different Footswitchs with it, 8 pads that can do a lot more then just trigger sound like full midi support to run things like OBS or camera control, Audio Ducking with more control then the others, Also works as a 20x14 USB audio interface for multitrack recording in music production. The built in voice effects are worth it just for that so you can mix your voice with very good effects when you are recording. Plus you can do this to each channel to mix each mike different as needed with effects. I think you are missing all this can do VS the others. It smokes the Roadcaster II and beats the DLZ as well for features and what you can do.
@@goactivemedia send it on over, I’m happy to have a closer look! 😉
good evening from Costa Rica! How do you send the audio sign from the Mackie to the mixer? @curtisjudd
Which mixer?
the Mackie DLZ Creator@@curtisjudd
@@nasionalsb USB or 1/4" TRS stereo outputs.
thank you so much! @@curtisjudd
Excellent job!
It would be good to know the number of virtual inputs and outputs each device creates on the computer since that can be vital information in live streams.
RODECaster Pro II creates 16 virtual input channels via USB when in multitrack mode. I dont' have it connected at the moment, but I believe the DLZ is similar.