Many people do not do this, but it is recommended by manufacturers to tighten this type of chuck on all three holes (radial drill), this will reduce the clearances.
Great job! ... and I was just drilling a .040 through a 1/8" solid brass rivet, and threading a 2-56 set screw cross hole, to pin it to a .040 wire! ...I could barely handle the set screw, or see any flats on the Allen wrench!
In the last few months I've been 3D printing bench vise jaws (mostly for holding guns). I can't believe I didn't do this years ago. I can also 3D print specialist jaws, for example for holding cylinders vertically.
Be careful when making vise jaws bigger than the rear support for them. Even if you’re printing the jaws as a solid, they will definitely bend and possibly break.
Well.... yeah, but... there's another way to look at it. When you say "always"... as in "long lots of jobs", lots and lots of them, plus the videoing and editing time, and in addition to a full time job outside the shop. He generally takes the option of getting it done, rather than spending the extra time and effort to make it closer to perfect. It's not without thought on his part. We all get to make decisions about tradeoffs according to our own priorities. There is usually some wisdom in the decisions he makes about how far to go with it. I don't always agree, but... I don't expect the privilege of changing his priorities.
😂😂I went through the whole video wondering why Keith wasn't cleaning up the faces of the new jaws. Mystery solved - surface grinder not up and running yet. Sometimes you have to go with good enough.
Thanks for another educational video. If the head is trammed in perfectly a careful fly cut on both surfaces would work well, and quicker than surface grinding.
I don't think that'd be advisable, because the ends of the jaws would be unsupported in the y-axis direction. Yes, they're chunky, but they'd still deflect.
Hi Keith, this may be a dumb non-Machinist question, but why for an almost one time use, couldn't the 10" pieces be put between the present jaws to increase the holding height instead of going through the process of mounting them hard to the vise jaws ?
Thanks for your idea. The big vise was more than wide enough opening to hold the 10" pieces and the Brass Bearing. The vise was travel adjustable enough to position the Brass Bearing in the milling machine's work area with the 1" extra width. Could you help me understand how holding these two pieces clamped between bolt in jaws would be much different than bolting the new 1" taller jaws? In what circumstance would a destructive wreck take place? @@ellieprice363
@@dusttoyou4550 If I understand your proposal, the point or line taking up the forces when it was all clamped up would be the top edge of the "outer" (original) jaw against the inner jaw. The line would essentially become a pivot line for the forces involved in the clamping; there's nothing holding the bottom edge of the inner jaws where they belong. No, they wouldn't move very much, but that's not the interesting point -- the interesting is point is how the forces are directed through the various components. There is a sort of rough approximate alignment between the outer jaw face and the inner jaw face, and the clamping force would approximate distribute across that surface. With the way he did it, the cap screws are forcing an alignment between the new jaws and the vise jaw mounting surface; more solid and predicable and strong. It may not seem like much. In good machining, you start with the premise that everything is flexible and moveable and not quite strong enough, and you think about how to hold everything where it belongs in spite of that. The little things matter. Metal bends -- a lot -- when you're doing these kinds of things. Even with the way he chose to do it, the forces between the region down between the existing vise parts and through the new jaws are going to be higher than the forces at the top of the new jaws. They're bendy. Less bendy than... well, air, but still bendy.
I suppose we could argue about any chance the wider bars would move considering the clamping setup. Then how could one argue against your most salient point "In good machining, you start with the premise that everything is flexible and moveable and not quite strong enough, and you think about how to hold everything where it belongs in spite of that. The little things matter.", more than adequately explained the necessity and Mr. Rucker's going to the trouble to make wider jaws bolt in. Appreciate the Machinist instruction! @@ydonl
Very useful and timely video. Just got a new vertical mill with a DRO. Know how to mill, just learning DRO. BTW: there's a video of some pakistani's doing essentially the same project for a sugar cane mill. VERY different techniques, and amazing how little they can get by with cause they aint got much.
Thanks Keith, those little tips on the DRO are so helpful, it is always a thing I struggle with, mainly because I don't do enough on a regular basis. Excellent.
it was a very interesting video on using a "digital read out", but why not just clamp the old jaw to the new one and mark it with a transfer punch? David
Kept bugging me that everone was referring to vise not vice - then went and found out why, vise is the American spelling for clamping device while still retaining vice for a sin. In English spelling they are both vice...
Havin' trouble believing it would make much difference between the older jaws and the newer jaws, assuming you didn't push the cutting tools. What's worth doing is worth overdoing, I guess.
Hi Keith. Wouldn’t these bearing blocks be a good candidate for your shaper. I’m sure the set up would be really easy in comparison. Great video, as always, thanks
Fly cutting both sides on the mill would produce parallel flat faces for these jaws. Milling produces much less tool pressure than planing or shaping, both of which tend to push parts off the machine.
Oh my goodness the "Fan Girl" is back! A thousand pardons, I did not watch the entire video, and had the audacity to make a simple suggestion ! Pray tell, what did I miss?@@paulcopeland9035
You might want to reach out to Mark Huber aka hyce he is currently drawing up in cad a new build of Montezuma a 2-4-0 since your making the parts you might have measurements he needs ps it will be a 3ft loco
Why didn't you just Pick up a used "shaper Vise" Like I Did : ) mine is a 12 inch Shaper vise with 14 inch wide jaws . It IS a monster I will say .... lol But it works Well
No, I was simply exasperated that at 23 minutes, all that had been produced were 4 countersunk screw holes in a two pieces of rough bar stock. Way too much padded out content on this channel these days. His choice of course.... and yes, yes, I know, my choice not to watch. @@paulcopeland9035
Many people do not do this, but it is recommended by manufacturers to tighten this type of chuck on all three holes (radial drill), this will reduce the clearances.
I really enjoyed watching you put that Carlton Radial Drill to use.
Always a pleasure
6:27 What, no 3/4" transfer/center punch..?😊 Good morning I say...
Great job! ... and I was just drilling a .040 through a 1/8" solid brass rivet, and threading a 2-56 set screw cross hole, to pin it to a .040 wire! ...I could barely handle the set screw, or see any flats on the Allen wrench!
In the last few months I've been 3D printing bench vise jaws (mostly for holding guns). I can't believe I didn't do this years ago. I can also 3D print specialist jaws, for example for holding cylinders vertically.
What filament are you using?
Be careful when making vise jaws bigger than the rear support for them. Even if you’re printing the jaws as a solid, they will definitely bend and possibly break.
Good job, options is always good.
Damn that Carlton drill press holy smokes
Good morning Keith. Your videos are always good. Thanks for all the work to make them.
Good idea I might see what I have in my metal stash
With Keith it's always good enough .........😂😂
Well.... yeah, but... there's another way to look at it. When you say "always"... as in "long lots of jobs", lots and lots of them, plus the videoing and editing time, and in addition to a full time job outside the shop. He generally takes the option of getting it done, rather than spending the extra time and effort to make it closer to perfect. It's not without thought on his part. We all get to make decisions about tradeoffs according to our own priorities. There is usually some wisdom in the decisions he makes about how far to go with it. I don't always agree, but... I don't expect the privilege of changing his priorities.
😂😂I went through the whole video wondering why Keith wasn't cleaning up the faces of the new jaws. Mystery solved - surface grinder not up and running yet. Sometimes you have to go with good enough.
You are not alone😂
I had exactly the same question until the last minute.
Same thoughts . . . I would have still faced them on the mill to assure they are at least somewhat parallel.
Yeah that's a big boy vice 👍
Thank you for sharing.👍
Happy Holidays for you and your Family
Thanks for sharing.
Fascinating - thank you.
Hopefully your stone has successfully departed 😢. Great video!😊
Thanks Keith
Thanks for another educational video. If the head is trammed in perfectly a careful fly cut on both surfaces would work well, and quicker than surface grinding.
The Machinist's version of "If it's worth Doing - it's worth OVERDOING!" 🤣
That is a huge vise, nice job on the jaws.
Ah, Keith doing a video about his "big ten inch". LOL.
Very nice,continue on doing what your doing.👍👍👍😎😎😎
I know it says "DRO PROS" but that logo in that font really looks like "DAD PADS" to me. Gotta dial in that number on the dad pad.
What happened to the Stoker Engine?
There is no "stoker engine". It was all a cruel illusion!
Might you drill the new jaws to also fit the 6" and 8" Kurt vises?
I don't think that'd be advisable, because the ends of the jaws would be unsupported in the y-axis direction. Yes, they're chunky, but they'd still deflect.
Good morning
Hi Keith, this may be a dumb non-Machinist question, but why for an almost one time use, couldn't the 10" pieces be put between the present jaws to increase the holding height instead of going through the process of mounting them hard to the vise jaws ?
Because the chain is limited by the weakest link. Any strength added by including the large bits, is cancelled by opening the jaws that much wider.
Too much chance of a destructive wreck that ruins a very expensive part.
Thanks for your idea. The big vise was more than wide enough opening to hold the 10" pieces and the Brass Bearing. The vise was travel adjustable enough to position the Brass Bearing in the milling machine's work area with the 1" extra width. Could you help me understand how holding these two pieces clamped between bolt in jaws would be much different than bolting the new 1" taller jaws? In what circumstance would a destructive wreck take place?
@@ellieprice363
@@dusttoyou4550 If I understand your proposal, the point or line taking up the forces when it was all clamped up would be the top edge of the "outer" (original) jaw against the inner jaw. The line would essentially become a pivot line for the forces involved in the clamping; there's nothing holding the bottom edge of the inner jaws where they belong. No, they wouldn't move very much, but that's not the interesting point -- the interesting is point is how the forces are directed through the various components. There is a sort of rough approximate alignment between the outer jaw face and the inner jaw face, and the clamping force would approximate distribute across that surface. With the way he did it, the cap screws are forcing an alignment between the new jaws and the vise jaw mounting surface; more solid and predicable and strong.
It may not seem like much. In good machining, you start with the premise that everything is flexible and moveable and not quite strong enough, and you think about how to hold everything where it belongs in spite of that. The little things matter. Metal bends -- a lot -- when you're doing these kinds of things. Even with the way he chose to do it, the forces between the region down between the existing vise parts and through the new jaws are going to be higher than the forces at the top of the new jaws. They're bendy. Less bendy than... well, air, but still bendy.
I suppose we could argue about any chance the wider bars would move considering the clamping setup. Then how could one argue against your most salient point "In good machining, you start with the premise that everything is flexible and moveable and not quite strong enough, and you think about how to hold everything where it belongs in spite of that. The little things matter.", more than adequately explained the necessity and Mr. Rucker's going to the trouble to make wider jaws bolt in. Appreciate the Machinist instruction! @@ydonl
Very useful and timely video. Just got a new vertical mill with a DRO. Know how to mill, just learning DRO. BTW: there's a video of some pakistani's doing essentially the same project for a sugar cane mill. VERY different techniques, and amazing how little they can get by with cause they aint got much.
Yay,It’s Friday!⚙️🛠🗜🚂😊
Any news on the steam stoker engine?
Are the bolts with which you attached your super large Vise also to scale?
Thanks Keith, those little tips on the DRO are so helpful, it is always a thing I struggle with, mainly because I don't do enough on a regular basis. Excellent.
Very nice
your worth every penny
Simple and useful !!
Jacobs chucks really don't like trying to drive HSS milling cutters, they are just too hard and polished to grip well.
I have a 10 inch mill vise... Keith "Hold my beer"
it was a very interesting video on using a "digital read out", but why not just clamp the old jaw to the new one and mark it with a transfer punch?
David
Accuracy, consistency, and enshuruing the holes were parallel with the sides are the first three things I think of.
Probably doesn’t own a transfer punch that size?
Kept bugging me that everone was referring to vise not vice - then went and found out why, vise is the American spelling for clamping device while still retaining vice for a sin. In English spelling they are both vice...
Havin' trouble believing it would make much difference between the older jaws and the newer jaws, assuming you didn't push the cutting tools. What's worth doing is worth overdoing, I guess.
Hi Keith. Wouldn’t these bearing blocks be a good candidate for your shaper. I’m sure the set up would be really easy in comparison. Great video, as always, thanks
I don't think he has a shaper
@@kylebrachtCorrect. He has a planer.
Fly cutting both sides on the mill would produce parallel flat faces for these jaws. Milling produces much less tool pressure than planing or shaping, both of which tend to push parts off the machine.
Big vice, big jaws small tee bolts to hold it all true. 😂
The early Kurt versions. Not the current best seller without the bolted back jaw.
amazing...you have the machines in the kitchen lol
Young fella your looking good and much thinner....I bet your doctor told ya if it taste good spit it out...😂
Keith!!
That bar stock can't be very flat, why don't you grind it flat so that it will grip the parts like the original jaws?
Why don't you listen to the entire video??
Oh my goodness the "Fan Girl" is back!
A thousand pardons, I did not watch the entire video, and had the audacity to make a simple suggestion !
Pray tell, what did I miss?@@paulcopeland9035
I’m surprised the drill press has such a wide spacing between the low speeds. More than double the speed is shocking.
Keith, you are making Mr. Bozo scared to death.
You might want to reach out to Mark Huber aka hyce he is currently drawing up in cad a new build of Montezuma a 2-4-0 since your making the parts you might have measurements he needs ps it will be a 3ft loco
Why didn't you just Pick up a used "shaper Vise" Like I Did : ) mine is a 12 inch Shaper vise
with 14 inch wide jaws . It IS a monster I will say .... lol But it works Well
😊😊😊😊😊
Looks like you boo booed your ring finger. Looks like you will loose a nail. Sorry.
Vise..............................
What this video really needed was a banana for scale.
Lol! I thought a coke can was the standard comparator!
Lol who's been watching curtis from CEE
Sorry, but this doesn't make sense on so many levels...
?
Which levels are wonky?
Sir,.....are you high?
No, I was simply exasperated that at 23 minutes, all that had been produced were 4 countersunk screw holes in a two pieces of rough bar stock. Way too much padded out content on this channel these days. His choice of course.... and yes, yes, I know, my choice not to watch. @@paulcopeland9035
Is making a rectangular block with 2 holes in it worthy of a you tube video!
No
It’s not!
Just stop what your doing!