I forgot the Valor already had dead bodies aboard, even if the slasher in the escape pod did get killed they were still in range of the marker to jumpstart the other bodies.
@@crash4267 I'm guessing there's two types. One being the inactive state where it's just creating necromorphs from dead tissue lying around. The second being when it's fully active prior to convergence. Being on the Ishimura it probably had greater range than on planetside, creating a geofence a few miles wide.
Yeah I also loved the EDF (Earth Defence Force) Marines a lot. It's actually ridiculous how they are never ever shown again in the franchise after Dead Space 1. Like in Dead Space 3 we're supposed to believe that Earthgov is losing the battle against the Uniontologists but not one EDF Marine is ever shown during the war. Instead we only see Earthgov security forces dying all over the place but where the hell is Earthgov's actual army? One of the biggest plot holes in Dead Space 3 that they refused to really touch on. Not to mention that you don't see any of the EDF marines on Norton's ship either even though it's supposed to be an Earthgov military ship. We don't even see any of those badass suits anywhere on the ship either. Carver's suit is the closest thing we see to something resembling that badass EDF marine army but that still doesn't count. I really was hyped hoping to see the EDF Marines make a return in Dead Space 2 (I thought they'd arrive to either protect Earthgov sector or to fight off the Necromorphs on the Sprawl). I especially was hyped to see them make an appearance in Dead Space 3 since that's when an entire war broke out between Earthgov and Uniontologists but even then we don't see anything. Visceral Games really dropped the ball on their world building for the last 2 games in the franchise, that's for sure. Actually, it's kind of crazy how in all the Dead Space supplemental material like in the movie Aftermath or in the comics we see EDF marines actually appear but for some strange reason Visceral never wanted to have them appear again in the actual games. Really makes it seem like Visceral didn't have as much of a hand in making the supplemental material because I feel like they wouldn't have included the EDF marines then lol.
In the briefing room on the Valor a text log can be found that reveals the Valors orders and they actually had some idea about the necromorphs. Their mission was to recover the marker and cleanse the infection on direct orders from earth gov.
This is one of those bits of added lore that I didn't appreciate in the remake. Honestly, the devs should have just completely rewritten the whole Valor scenario... But this added bit of info you discover via logs just adds more confusion to the entire situation... The logs make it very clear the Valor crew knew about the necromorphs and were ordered to dispatch them along with all survivors. So it makes even LESS sense that they'd naively open this escape pod without armed security personnel at the ready.
@@friendlyreaper9012 Not even mentioning Isaac, who goes on Doomguy's level of rampage to find his girlfriend, kills what could count as an untillable super slasher and monsters that are probably near the size of a shuttle if not bigger (Leviathan), all the while trying to keep the Ishimura in somewhat of one piece...
Wait...67 crew members? Damn, I guess it makes sense since it's a special operation, but that's skeleton crew levels for a destroyer...no wonder it was taken out by just ONE Slasher.
I hope the remake gives a better clarification about on how and why they would happen. So it doesn't seem like the Marines are complete incompetent idiots.
@@itsblitz4437 I mean to be fair if you take the wiki (which I would take with a pinch of salt) 67 crew,23 of which were just labled as crew,3 listed as service,1 extension, 2 custodial and the rest listed as other. so it could be that there were very little marines on the ship. Which to a point makes sense. Looking at military ships today, the marine group stationed on a ship is much smaller than the actual crew of the ship.
@@mrjtfang2 Did you see the effectivness of the pulse rifle use by the security ? If they didn't use flamethrowers, they're screwed. In ship to ship combat, the valor win ; but in close combat ? Big no .
@@dalhga3925 Cutscene combat, to me, is not really the same deal as what it seems like can be put into actual practice. There is NO excuse, especially if you have knowledge of what you will be up against.
Funnily enough I recall a piece of fanfiction, Dead Space Massacre I believe the name was, that tells the story of the Valour. Quite an interesting read.
For some reason I always assumed it was the hunter that the Valor pulled aboard. Which absolutely would have been enough to take out a heavily armed crew
@@adambomb138 When I was a kid I could have sworn that there were two, to the point I edited the dead space wiki. After a short argument I got locked out of it for re editing it. Where that doctor guy had that guy bound to that chair just in view of you, I stomped him after he had killed him, thinking he would turn into a hunter, later his body is gone; I had read the logs, and knew the manner in which he created the first hunter, and thought it was pretty obvious he'd injected him in the skull with more necromorph matter. Apparently it was a "stake," but in hindsight that could be a graphical contrivance, because at that distance you aren't going to make out what that object was anyways. I still don't think anyone has presented good evidence there weren't two. It also explains why the hunter is nice and "blackened" in the second game; it has had time to, and had more time to "mature." Where else would the dead space 2 hunter have come from?
I had a theory the one soldier that survived most of the valor and then disappeared was Robert Norton. His armor dose have a ship that looks like the USM Valor on the left side but it's likely just an EDF navy logo or something.
@@fumothfan9 especially how he never mentions them in part 3. Like I know about those creatures Issac, I saw them when I escaped the USM Valor with my life. I escaped and never looked back. Now my fears came back when I saw them again in Tau Volantis
i like the idea of the last marine being carter, and he used a esacpe pod/ patrol ship to get away, giving a reason to why he isn't phased with his "first" encounter with necromorphs in dead space 3
Reason Carver isn't as freaked out as a normal person would be in dead space 3 is because he has faced them in dead space liberation where his reaction to them is justified plus he was living with his family at the time of the Aegis VII outbreak.
@@TheBritishRunner ahh i see, my bad, but generally i like the idea of the last soldier escaping, though given how the dead space universe has a habit of bad endings he most likely didn't
It was a crew of 67 but if done like real life not even half them would be marines. You would have some crew for operating the ship, some for cooking/cleaning, some for maintenance, the captain of the ship himself.
@@grimalkin6676I don’t know about that. Naval vessels will have people like cooks and maintenance workers, but those people will generally still be soldiers who will, at the very least, have more combat training than Issac.
The main problem I have with the slasher going 'dormant' from the lack of a marker signal, is that (I think) unless the body is preserved, likely via freezing, the flesh usually melts down into a sludge-incapable of becoming a whole necromorph in itself.
You know if I was in charge of a military operation and found out a escape pod with a mutated body inside I'd immediately eject it from the ship and just destroy the Ishimura from a safe distance.
Come on! It wasn't that bad... Okay, it was xP P.S. I Believe, that Valor's sole survivor perished because of Isaac's core salvaging. It's either that or the necromorphs, but I also like to speculate (but i never counted) that we disable all reanimated crew during the boarding. So I sway towards the "explosion killed said survivor" possibility.
Yeah, the Valor is definitely Dead Space 1's biggest issues. There's no way a single necromorph, the slasher Hammond jettisoned, could have taken out the Valor single handedly. Especially since they knew about the infection, which is why they are equipped with a nuke. It would of made more sense if it was the Hunter Hammon got rid of but that's neither here nor there.
My head cannon is the one slasher killed a few unarmed then went for the pilots when the soldiers were occupied. We gotta remember necromorphs are smart. You can see them dragging bodies playing dead and the designs even look or appear as such to lure in people like the fodders in DS3 and the wall guard things that scream and stick to walls. Also the babies in DS2 that explode.
@@Dawnelldo2 wait sorry my bad. I miss read your comment and miss spelled mine. I was meant to say “wait was there?”, Because I thought you said there was a dlc where you play as one of the Valor’s last surviving marine in the remake
Ngl, even though this is a possible theory it would still be in minutes from chen being let out to isaac finding the valor cleared by the necromorphs, we can see by the time differance from the logs in both the original and the remake, and this is minutes from a standard of the unitoligists sabotaging nearly 50% of the ishimura with a unprepared crew of civillians, and we can say the ship was breaking down within a week of the games start due to the markers influence, and having nearly a thousand necromorphs actively hunting people across the ishimura that the valor falling within 5 minutes no matter how slow or dimwitted the crew were is out of the question, and that would be the only reason why a well informed highly trained elite squad of cautious soldiers would be destroyed so utterly without mounting an effective defense. We can go back and forth over how the marker works and how fast the necromorphs were compared to how compact and unsecure a spec-ops elite destroyer is when in full quarantine procedure facing off against a completely silent visibly damaged ishimura sending out an S.O.S signal, but we both know that at the 10 minute mark the crew would be able to purge all the necromorphs unless a critical system alongsides backup and its safety mechanisms were to be destroyed, and that is military grade plating and armor... do i need to say more if isaacs engineer/mining rig has better armor then military issue armor and plating? But i fully understand that this is heavy speculation, so i am simply mentioning the coralation between logs, event spacing in the actual in verse timeline, and known facts from the logs contents. It doesn't take a genious to run a basic timeline from the oldest dated log to the soonest dated log and run a daisy chain of users and subjects to obtain a base time stamp basis to understand the story. And it is a game, no need to get too worked up about this.
With half of the Valor's 67 crew being Soldiers, you'd think that they'd plan out a strategy against that ONE Slasher instead of going with the "Shoot it until it dies" plan.
Especially considering that the crew of the Valor knew they were going there to wipe out the Ishimura and the necromorphs. Kendra herself says that she read reports of what the markers do to people so you'd assume that the captain of the Valor would be informed of this too.
@@ZeFluffyKnight It.... It literally was just one. And yes, i'm saying there's no reason for a full scale outbreak to be occuring on the valor, as it takes time-LOTS of time-to turn a body into anything without an infector, unless the outbreak occurs after everyone was mostly dead.
Dude I don't get why in the remake, they took a bunch of creative liberties to make some changes, but they hardly touched the USM Valor which could have had the most potential. Would've been cool if they added a new survivor from that. If they could give us a brand new interaction with Elizabeth Cross, we could've at least gotten some closure with that last marine or something. Jacob Temple would've been cool too.
Even if it did kill a bunch of people somehow before it was gunned down, changing takes some time without the bats around. And it was still really far from the marker. The time frame from the pod being ejected to it crashing into the ship is entirely to short for the bodies to have transformed without the marker or bats nearby.
I always thought they just had medical teams and basic security around the escape pod when it was inside the valor. The necromorph quickly killed the medical and security around the pod and spread throughout the valor.
I like your content. Oddly enough I listen to it when going to sleep. I enjoy dead space lore, but something about your pitch and slow cadence is really great for catching zzz’s. But then I stay up cuz I’m so interested in what I’m hearing lol. Still, it’s very relaxing.
Their weapons didn’t help them since they were probably in an armory. I still think its kind of ridiculous that 7 necromorphs somehow beat 40 soldiers.
Hit and run tactics from vents + dulled senses from the marker + almost everybody who fell just gets turned into more necromorphs sounds like a pretty brutal combo though, especially since they most likely didn't know to try to aim for the limbs. Or hell, maybe everything was screwed the moment a single soldier with a stasis unit was infected, considering just how damn fast they wound up being.
I mean a crew of 67. I don't feel like 40 of them would be soldiers as that would only leave 27 for every other role from cooking/cleaning,operating the ship,maintenance/engineering,the captain himself.
Most likely the EDF marines were still doing okay at fighting off the Necromorphs prior to the Valor crashing into the Ishimura but it was the crash itself which killed most of them or injured them significantly making them easier targets for the Necromorphs from the Ishimura that were pouring into the Valor.
So their mission was to “take out” all they come across in the ishimira… But they pick up and escape pod? Instead of blasting it? And with the five remaining people on board no one fired the nuke at the ishimira? Then detonated the others on board?
I also think that the reason they got killed so easily was because they were only armed by pulse rifles which states in the wiki that it fires a bullet the size of a 22. Lr but going at light speed
Yeah, I still don’t know. I could see it talking a few soldiers down before they figure out how to “kill” it. It might even escape into a vent, and ambush and kill a few more, but if the marker signal alone can create necromorphs from corpses so rapidly, than why would it need to create in infectors? It just seems like an explanation that creates more plot holes. In the original game, my head cannon was that the necromoph in the pod somehow morphed into an infector before it reached the valor, but that doesn’t really fit with the remake. I guess the Chen necromoph must have been some kinda special variant of necromoph created either by chance or due to some peace of equipment he was carrying melding with his body when he turned.
Just made my own comment, but a bigger issue is that if the pod had left the marker signal, it would have melted down into a goopy mess that couldn't turn back into a slasher
One thing that bothers me even more is that the Valor knew exactly what it was there to do. They knew they were going there to kill necromorphs and destroy the Ishimura. Kendra mentions herself that she read reports about what the markers do to people and what they produce. You'd assume the captain of the Valor would know this too. Why would it even bother to collect an escape pod from the Ishimura when the crew knew they were going there to destroy it and wipe out its crew? Plus, I don't actually think that the Valor was in range of the Ishimura long enough to see any corpses on board become necromorphs.
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 they would pick up the pod to ensure no witnesses and to ensure it is clean. so it would only be opened under the utmost scrutiny, making any supposed occupant, human or necromorph, killing and getting away very unlikely.
Didn't the Marker spread a signal across Aegis 7? Is it possible for some of the crew from the Valor went insane when they got close to it? Even before they retrieved the escape pod?
Highly trained solider the only people who are resistant are smart people and people with training and even dead space 3 keeps up this theme with the intro the only acceptation is unitologists and tideman who to be fair seems a bit more Businessman than solider
A 'long' period of time, maybe over a day at least, or via receiving an injection of the bacterial infection, either requiring the presence of a marker or moon signal for either to take effect.
3:09 see the issue is that they know what they are getting into why would they let a foreign object onboard and not even bother to secure it 3:30 if it can do that why is there dead bodies all over the issumora 4:37 they defiantly would have because why risk it all if one necro boi get in and if they had no idea why bother keeping it under wraps and just why and if a engineer and a FRIKING NERD can tell that something is up with the friking nukes lying than so should the specialized team of elite soldiers around and iirc you find logs talking about their mission. EDIT: just to clarify I do like your video it is pretty good I just hate the friking valor scene
Unless... they could have picked up another pod, which could contain an Infector, with Kendra mistakenly taking it as the one which Hammond jettisoned.
Honestly, Chen is a dormint giga Chad that got awakened when he turned into the Necro. His Rambo ancestory set in and let him loose on a group of soldiers. Just saying, and when Chen realized his mistake by stabbing Harmond. He let the both of them be pushed into the reactor. Bro before life 🤣👌
The real question is: how did that one necromorph kill only 30 something dudes with stasis module's and after that Isac kills about 100+ twitchers? Including those on the colony. (and yes I know the answer already no need to tell...)
One Necromorph destroyed the USM Valor because of rock paper scissors: EarthGov beats Isaac Clark Isaac Clark beats Necromorph Necromorph beats EarthGov It's the typical horror plot contrivance.
@@griffingower1883 I don't think "incompetent" is the right word. More like "uninformed". They were likely very capable of dismembering them but didn't know that's what they had to do. If it was just automatically known that to kill them you need to remove their limbs, I'm sure more people on the Ishimura would have survived.
Burn the bodies Get as many people to open fire on the slasher as possible throw the body into space (wear hazmat protection) attend to Isaac and the others
okay because I was not about to believe that one necromorph could defeat a whole ship of soldiers that knew what they were going into all by itself. also I didn't think about the fact that the marker could create slashers or infectors as it wills. still seems crazy that they couldn't stop the necros even with stasis. although the pulse rifle is a shit weapon.
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I forgot the Valor already had dead bodies aboard, even if the slasher in the escape pod did get killed they were still in range of the marker to jumpstart the other bodies.
Where did the bodies come from? They salvage bodies in space or something ?
@@ivantsang2156 possible, it wasn't specified.
@@devnotes00 i hope the remake gives a better explaination for that.
How though? How big is the range on the marker??
@@crash4267 I'm guessing there's two types. One being the inactive state where it's just creating necromorphs from dead tissue lying around. The second being when it's fully active prior to convergence. Being on the Ishimura it probably had greater range than on planetside, creating a geofence a few miles wide.
Am I the only one that would’ve loved to see more of the SpaceGov Marines. I think their armor is one of the coolest ones in the dead space franchise
You are not I love their armor
@@aberidha6489 I’m hoping that in the remake, at the least, they give more screen time to them fighting off the necromorphs before getting killed off
@@spectregl117 yes you and me not to mention I want to see more of the Valor like the Bridge for example
Yeah I also loved the EDF (Earth Defence Force) Marines a lot. It's actually ridiculous how they are never ever shown again in the franchise after Dead Space 1. Like in Dead Space 3 we're supposed to believe that Earthgov is losing the battle against the Uniontologists but not one EDF Marine is ever shown during the war. Instead we only see Earthgov security forces dying all over the place but where the hell is Earthgov's actual army? One of the biggest plot holes in Dead Space 3 that they refused to really touch on.
Not to mention that you don't see any of the EDF marines on Norton's ship either even though it's supposed to be an Earthgov military ship. We don't even see any of those badass suits anywhere on the ship either. Carver's suit is the closest thing we see to something resembling that badass EDF marine army but that still doesn't count.
I really was hyped hoping to see the EDF Marines make a return in Dead Space 2 (I thought they'd arrive to either protect Earthgov sector or to fight off the Necromorphs on the Sprawl). I especially was hyped to see them make an appearance in Dead Space 3 since that's when an entire war broke out between Earthgov and Uniontologists but even then we don't see anything. Visceral Games really dropped the ball on their world building for the last 2 games in the franchise, that's for sure.
Actually, it's kind of crazy how in all the Dead Space supplemental material like in the movie Aftermath or in the comics we see EDF marines actually appear but for some strange reason Visceral never wanted to have them appear again in the actual games. Really makes it seem like Visceral didn't have as much of a hand in making the supplemental material because I feel like they wouldn't have included the EDF marines then lol.
I want to see more of EDF special forces.
In the briefing room on the Valor a text log can be found that reveals the Valors orders and they actually had some idea about the necromorphs. Their mission was to recover the marker and cleanse the infection on direct orders from earth gov.
This is one of those bits of added lore that I didn't appreciate in the remake. Honestly, the devs should have just completely rewritten the whole Valor scenario... But this added bit of info you discover via logs just adds more confusion to the entire situation... The logs make it very clear the Valor crew knew about the necromorphs and were ordered to dispatch them along with all survivors.
So it makes even LESS sense that they'd naively open this escape pod without armed security personnel at the ready.
@@boringmonkey6958 yeah exactly. They were sent to deal with the necromorphs but couldn't deal with a single slasher.
Those same slashers that Ellie is just shredding when you first meet her in DS2.
@@friendlyreaper9012 Not even mentioning Isaac, who goes on Doomguy's level of rampage to find his girlfriend, kills what could count as an untillable super slasher and monsters that are probably near the size of a shuttle if not bigger (Leviathan), all the while trying to keep the Ishimura in somewhat of one piece...
Wait...67 crew members? Damn, I guess it makes sense since it's a special operation, but that's skeleton crew levels for a destroyer...no wonder it was taken out by just ONE Slasher.
I hope the remake gives a better clarification about on how and why they would happen. So it doesn't seem like the Marines are complete incompetent idiots.
@@itsblitz4437 I mean to be fair if you take the wiki (which I would take with a pinch of salt) 67 crew,23 of which were just labled as crew,3 listed as service,1 extension, 2 custodial and the rest listed as other. so it could be that there were very little marines on the ship. Which to a point makes sense. Looking at military ships today, the marine group stationed on a ship is much smaller than the actual crew of the ship.
@@grimalkin6676 They'd still be well prepared, knowing full well what a Marker does. (Something kendra was not privy to)
@@mrjtfang2 Did you see the effectivness of the pulse rifle use by the security ? If they didn't use flamethrowers, they're screwed.
In ship to ship combat, the valor win ; but in close combat ? Big no .
@@dalhga3925 Cutscene combat, to me, is not really the same deal as what it seems like can be put into actual practice. There is NO excuse, especially if you have knowledge of what you will be up against.
Funnily enough I recall a piece of fanfiction, Dead Space Massacre I believe the name was, that tells the story of the Valour. Quite an interesting read.
There was also one called Semper Fi that tells a side story about the Marines stationed aboard and what they went through on the Valor and Ishimura.
Where can I find those
@@itsmejinxfromleagueolegendsrea Google the titles followed by fanfic
It's always nice to see other starships in Dead Space explored more. Keep up the good work!
For some reason I always assumed it was the hunter that the Valor pulled aboard. Which absolutely would have been enough to take out a heavily armed crew
That would make really good sense since there are 2 hunters. We see that we freeze one then either
1. A new one spawns
2. The old one got defrosted.
@@fumothfan9 It's the same one.
@@adambomb138 When I was a kid I could have sworn that there were two, to the point I edited the dead space wiki. After a short argument I got locked out of it for re editing it. Where that doctor guy had that guy bound to that chair just in view of you, I stomped him after he had killed him, thinking he would turn into a hunter, later his body is gone; I had read the logs, and knew the manner in which he created the first hunter, and thought it was pretty obvious he'd injected him in the skull with more necromorph matter. Apparently it was a "stake," but in hindsight that could be a graphical contrivance, because at that distance you aren't going to make out what that object was anyways.
I still don't think anyone has presented good evidence there weren't two. It also explains why the hunter is nice and "blackened" in the second game; it has had time to, and had more time to "mature."
Where else would the dead space 2 hunter have come from?
@@fumothfan9 That's the same Hunter. Mercer thawed him out so that he can continue chasing Isaac.
I had a theory the one soldier that survived most of the valor and then disappeared was Robert Norton. His armor dose have a ship that looks like the USM Valor on the left side but it's likely just an EDF navy logo or something.
It would make sense then why he'd be so adamant about going back to necromorphs and getting them out
@@fumothfan9 especially how he never mentions them in part 3. Like I know about those creatures Issac, I saw them when I escaped the USM Valor with my life. I escaped and never looked back. Now my fears came back when I saw them again in Tau Volantis
You explained something that was wondering my mind for years, thank you! Keep up the good work.
What's great now is in the Remake you get to see that ONE survivor but his fate is still entirely unknown.
Possible small DLC - could even be a free "After Credits" leading to further remakes ;)
i like the idea of the last marine being carter, and he used a esacpe pod/ patrol ship to get away, giving a reason to why he isn't phased with his "first" encounter with necromorphs in dead space 3
Reason Carver isn't as freaked out as a normal person would be in dead space 3 is because he has faced them in dead space liberation where his reaction to them is justified plus he was living with his family at the time of the Aegis VII outbreak.
@@TheBritishRunner ahh i see, my bad, but generally i like the idea of the last soldier escaping, though given how the dead space universe has a habit of bad endings he most likely didn't
Carver was on Uxor and wasn't part of the Valor's crew of 67.
Who would win?
1 giga chad nerd with a mining tool vs 67 virgin space soldiers
It was a crew of 67 but if done like real life not even half them would be marines. You would have some crew for operating the ship, some for cooking/cleaning, some for maintenance, the captain of the ship himself.
The dual spiked tip space dildo
@@grimalkin6676I don’t know about that. Naval vessels will have people like cooks and maintenance workers, but those people will generally still be soldiers who will, at the very least, have more combat training than Issac.
The main problem I have with the slasher going 'dormant' from the lack of a marker signal, is that (I think) unless the body is preserved, likely via freezing, the flesh usually melts down into a sludge-incapable of becoming a whole necromorph in itself.
You know if I was in charge of a military operation and found out a escape pod with a mutated body inside I'd immediately eject it from the ship and just destroy the Ishimura from a safe distance.
Shows just how horrifying the Marker Signal is...
Awesome job explaining the outbreak on the U.S.M. Valor!
Agreed!
Come on! It wasn't that bad... Okay, it was xP
P.S. I Believe, that Valor's sole survivor perished because of Isaac's core salvaging. It's either that or the necromorphs, but I also like to speculate (but i never counted) that we disable all reanimated crew during the boarding. So I sway towards the "explosion killed said survivor" possibility.
Yeah, the Valor is definitely Dead Space 1's biggest issues. There's no way a single necromorph, the slasher Hammond jettisoned, could have taken out the Valor single handedly. Especially since they knew about the infection, which is why they are equipped with a nuke. It would of made more sense if it was the Hunter Hammon got rid of but that's neither here nor there.
Yeah - super slasher that cannot die by any conventional means makes far more sense than one STANDARD slasher, not even an enhanced version...
My head cannon is the one slasher killed a few unarmed then went for the pilots when the soldiers were occupied.
We gotta remember necromorphs are smart. You can see them dragging bodies playing dead and the designs even look or appear as such to lure in people like the fodders in DS3 and the wall guard things that scream and stick to walls. Also the babies in DS2 that explode.
Yeah, plus the med team could also be sent to check on the survivor - get necro'ed and then it snowballs down to the end of Valor...
I want this lore turned into playable DLC for the remake, with the player as the last surviving Marine.
Wait was it?
@@picturebypicture3598 No, unless I'm missing something?
@@Dawnelldo2 wait sorry my bad. I miss read your comment and miss spelled mine. I was meant to say “wait was there?”, Because I thought you said there was a dlc where you play as one of the Valor’s last surviving marine in the remake
Yeah, this actually makes sense. Necromorphs unlike zombies have more intelligence. Thanks for this video.
Hell yeah! Seeing runner upload a new video always makes so happy
Ngl, even though this is a possible theory it would still be in minutes from chen being let out to isaac finding the valor cleared by the necromorphs, we can see by the time differance from the logs in both the original and the remake, and this is minutes from a standard of the unitoligists sabotaging nearly 50% of the ishimura with a unprepared crew of civillians, and we can say the ship was breaking down within a week of the games start due to the markers influence, and having nearly a thousand necromorphs actively hunting people across the ishimura that the valor falling within 5 minutes no matter how slow or dimwitted the crew were is out of the question, and that would be the only reason why a well informed highly trained elite squad of cautious soldiers would be destroyed so utterly without mounting an effective defense. We can go back and forth over how the marker works and how fast the necromorphs were compared to how compact and unsecure a spec-ops elite destroyer is when in full quarantine procedure facing off against a completely silent visibly damaged ishimura sending out an S.O.S signal, but we both know that at the 10 minute mark the crew would be able to purge all the necromorphs unless a critical system alongsides backup and its safety mechanisms were to be destroyed, and that is military grade plating and armor... do i need to say more if isaacs engineer/mining rig has better armor then military issue armor and plating? But i fully understand that this is heavy speculation, so i am simply mentioning the coralation between logs, event spacing in the actual in verse timeline, and known facts from the logs contents. It doesn't take a genious to run a basic timeline from the oldest dated log to the soonest dated log and run a daisy chain of users and subjects to obtain a base time stamp basis to understand the story. And it is a game, no need to get too worked up about this.
I'm always sad I can't rescue the poor guy stuck to the ceiling in the gravity plates...
I never even notice him
You can't shoot them as a mercy-killing so they wouldn't suffer.
a whole ship with 67 people, 39 being actual grunts, no wonder they got f’d, they didn’t even have a platoon 💀
With half of the Valor's 67 crew being Soldiers, you'd think that they'd plan out a strategy against that ONE Slasher instead of going with the "Shoot it until it dies" plan.
You can still shoot it until it dies, too. I really fail to see how they couldn't handle the one slasher.
Especially considering that the crew of the Valor knew they were going there to wipe out the Ishimura and the necromorphs. Kendra herself says that she read reports of what the markers do to people so you'd assume that the captain of the Valor would be informed of this too.
@@mrjtfang2 Because it wasn't just one.
@@ZeFluffyKnight It.... It literally was just one. And yes, i'm saying there's no reason for a full scale outbreak to be occuring on the valor, as it takes time-LOTS of time-to turn a body into anything without an infector, unless the outbreak occurs after everyone was mostly dead.
@@mrjtfang2 an infector must have snuck onto the valor
Dude I don't get why in the remake, they took a bunch of creative liberties to make some changes, but they hardly touched the USM Valor which could have had the most potential. Would've been cool if they added a new survivor from that. If they could give us a brand new interaction with Elizabeth Cross, we could've at least gotten some closure with that last marine or something. Jacob Temple would've been cool too.
They show at the end of chapter 9 that there's a survivor escaping the valor
I just replayed the game and there was a note letting the ship know there would be infected, so they knew and still werent prepared.
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Still makes no sense. Why would they open escape pod without caution considering they were on a seek and destroy mission and knew about infection.
Even if it did kill a bunch of people somehow before it was gunned down, changing takes some time without the bats around. And it was still really far from the marker. The time frame from the pod being ejected to it crashing into the ship is entirely to short for the bodies to have transformed without the marker or bats nearby.
I would really like a story based around a survivor of the usm valor, escaping from the explosion and surviving aboard the ishumura, it would be cool
Who would win?
Military crew memmber with fully equipments and acknowled about what happen on ishimura
OR
1 slasher boy
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I always thought they just had medical teams and basic security around the escape pod when it was inside the valor. The necromorph quickly killed the medical and security around the pod and spread throughout the valor.
In hindsight, aside from the skeleton crew, Chen was really just a special kind of Necromorph...
Who would win?
Futuristic Military vs. Stabby Boi
I like your content. Oddly enough I listen to it when going to sleep. I enjoy dead space lore, but something about your pitch and slow cadence is really great for catching zzz’s. But then I stay up cuz I’m so interested in what I’m hearing lol. Still, it’s very relaxing.
Their weapons didn’t help them since they were probably in an armory. I still think its kind of ridiculous that 7 necromorphs somehow beat 40 soldiers.
Especially since there are survivors aboard the ishimura, a ship that was not filled almost entirely with trained professionals.
Hit and run tactics from vents + dulled senses from the marker + almost everybody who fell just gets turned into more necromorphs sounds like a pretty brutal combo though, especially since they most likely didn't know to try to aim for the limbs. Or hell, maybe everything was screwed the moment a single soldier with a stasis unit was infected, considering just how damn fast they wound up being.
I mean a crew of 67. I don't feel like 40 of them would be soldiers as that would only leave 27 for every other role from cooking/cleaning,operating the ship,maintenance/engineering,the captain himself.
Most likely the EDF marines were still doing okay at fighting off the Necromorphs prior to the Valor crashing into the Ishimura but it was the crash itself which killed most of them or injured them significantly making them easier targets for the Necromorphs from the Ishimura that were pouring into the Valor.
1 not 7
If I had a personal stasis projector... I'm gonna slow you down and just close the door. lol
So their mission was to “take out” all they come across in the ishimira…
But they pick up and escape pod? Instead of blasting it?
And with the five remaining people on board no one fired the nuke at the ishimira?
Then detonated the others on board?
They can't nuke ishimura while Kendra and the marker is in there.
I also think that the reason they got killed so easily was because they were only armed by pulse rifles which states in the wiki that it fires a bullet the size of a 22. Lr but going at light speed
I'm glad in the Dead Space games are based on zombies with Sharp bones somehow able to pierce high tech armor
Who would win
An entire ship full of heavily armed Special Forces
Or
Chen
Yeah, I still don’t know. I could see it talking a few soldiers down before they figure out how to “kill” it. It might even escape into a vent, and ambush and kill a few more, but if the marker signal alone can create necromorphs from corpses so rapidly, than why would it need to create in infectors? It just seems like an explanation that creates more plot holes.
In the original game, my head cannon was that the necromoph in the pod somehow morphed into an infector before it reached the valor, but that doesn’t really fit with the remake. I guess the Chen necromoph must have been some kinda special variant of necromoph created either by chance or due to some peace of equipment he was carrying melding with his body when he turned.
Just made my own comment, but a bigger issue is that if the pod had left the marker signal, it would have melted down into a goopy mess that couldn't turn back into a slasher
One thing that bothers me even more is that the Valor knew exactly what it was there to do. They knew they were going there to kill necromorphs and destroy the Ishimura. Kendra mentions herself that she read reports about what the markers do to people and what they produce. You'd assume the captain of the Valor would know this too.
Why would it even bother to collect an escape pod from the Ishimura when the crew knew they were going there to destroy it and wipe out its crew?
Plus, I don't actually think that the Valor was in range of the Ishimura long enough to see any corpses on board become necromorphs.
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 they would pick up the pod to ensure no witnesses and to ensure it is clean. so it would only be opened under the utmost scrutiny, making any supposed occupant, human or necromorph, killing and getting away very unlikely.
Didn't the Marker spread a signal across Aegis 7? Is it possible for some of the crew from the Valor went insane when they got close to it? Even before they retrieved the escape pod?
Highly trained solider the only people who are resistant are smart people and people with training and even dead space 3 keeps up this theme with the intro the only acceptation is unitologists and tideman who to be fair seems a bit more Businessman than solider
The outbreak on the ishimura took days, I don't think that the valors crew stayed in the marker signals range long enough to go insane
See, I don't get it. If they're meant to destroy all remains of the Ishimura/excavation site, why bring the escape pod aboard anyways?
Where does the lore about the prisoners and this station come from?
How does one become an infector?
A 'long' period of time, maybe over a day at least, or via receiving an injection of the bacterial infection, either requiring the presence of a marker or moon signal for either to take effect.
Someone played Hellsinger
3:09 see the issue is that they know what they are getting into why would they let a foreign object onboard and not even bother to secure it 3:30 if it can do that why is there dead bodies all over the issumora 4:37 they defiantly would have because why risk it all if one necro boi get in and if they had no idea why bother keeping it under wraps and just why and if a engineer and a FRIKING NERD can tell that something is up with the friking nukes lying than so should the specialized team of elite soldiers around and iirc you find logs talking about their mission. EDIT: just to clarify I do like your video it is pretty good I just hate the friking valor scene
Anyone know what the song he used at the end is called?
what is that Outro music? and I never knew they already had bodies on board.
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This was for me the most unrealistic thing in the Story a whole Ship with heavy armed soldiers vs 1 slasher boi
And a marker signal
Unless... they could have picked up another pod, which could contain an Infector, with Kendra mistakenly taking it as the one which Hammond jettisoned.
Excellent work weaving the tale.
Honestly, Chen is a dormint giga Chad that got awakened when he turned into the Necro. His Rambo ancestory set in and let him loose on a group of soldiers.
Just saying, and when Chen realized his mistake by stabbing Harmond. He let the both of them be pushed into the reactor.
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Could it be ,that ,that one necromorph ,was ubermorph? That could explain,how one necromorph took down entire crew of ship.
What's the ending song/band you played sounds awesome.
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what video editor do you use?
The real question is: how did that one necromorph kill only 30 something dudes with stasis module's and after that Isac kills about 100+ twitchers? Including those on the colony. (and yes I know the answer already no need to tell...)
So why tf post a comment in the first place?
@@adambomb138 Because sarcasm. Duh. Some humor for the wicked.
the biggest question, why bother with it if you intended to nuke the ishimura anyways
Retrieving the Marker was part of the mission.
In the original game, i believe it was a leaper in the pod
Nope it was a slasher!
No, it was still a slasher.
One Necromorph destroyed the USM Valor because of rock paper scissors:
EarthGov beats Isaac Clark
Isaac Clark beats Necromorph
Necromorph beats EarthGov
It's the typical horror plot contrivance.
I remember a soldier alive
why did they pick up the escape pods it they going to kill everyone
Probably to kill any escapees. Just stupid of them to not check to see if it was a necromorph. You know, the creatures they planned on fighting.
@@N1gHtStAlKeR726 they can just use the ship gun and shot it
@juggerknot100 yeah, they couldve, but now they're dead.
Ceiling? You mean deckhead it's a ship afterall
Just 67 people and just 3 maintenance workers?
Nope 67 that includes everyone
I kinda hope the remake gives a better explaination of how the crew gets wrecked by one Slasher.
My explanation: they were just too incompetent to realize that to kill necromorphs you have to Cut off their limbs.
@@griffingower1883 I don't think "incompetent" is the right word. More like "uninformed". They were likely very capable of dismembering them but didn't know that's what they had to do.
If it was just automatically known that to kill them you need to remove their limbs, I'm sure more people on the Ishimura would have survived.
Not to mention you CAN bring a necromorph down still with sheer volume of fire. Esp slashers-they're not THAT special.
@@pyxl666 good point.
Burn the bodies
Get as many people to open fire on the slasher as possible
throw the body into space (wear hazmat protection)
attend to Isaac and the others
Opposed to remaking Dead Space they really should have made a game that covered the Valor story
okay because I was not about to believe that one necromorph could defeat a whole ship of soldiers that knew what they were going into all by itself. also I didn't think about the fact that the marker could create slashers or infectors as it wills. still seems crazy that they couldn't stop the necros even with stasis. although the pulse rifle is a shit weapon.
They did not have plot armour...that's the reason
If I count more than 30 twitchers i kill something's off🤨
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@@TheBritishRunner it’s either a scream or a laugh….
That’s amazing I always wondered this when exploring the Valor and what happened to it in Dead Space 2?
The USM Valor was destroyed in DS1. After Isaac took out it's fusion core, it self detonated.
@@aevvah_flxwer8550 it’s sad they don’t bring it up though in DS2.
@@aberidha6489 Ohh. Yeah, I wonder why they didn't mention it either. But then again EarthGov likes to cover everything up
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Screw that! Play at 2x speed wuss!
Dein Video ist ja ganz nett und so. Aber kannst du bitte mal nicht reden wie ein generalretardierter Klappstuhl?