Izanagi’s using special ammo is still a huge boon over the power weapons so I don’t knock it for doing less damage than those, but to have it do only 1k more than Trophy Hunter, a legendary? That’s kind of a blow. I assume that this means that Izanagi’s does wayyy more damage than Trophy Hunter on a per-shot basis as opposed to this “all reserves / time” calculation, so against certain single targets Izanagi’s could still reign supreme (the new No Distractions perk supports this usage too), but which targets merit Honed Edge x4 AND will be killed by that single shot-is that still true of Champions? Not true of bosses.
Jeff Wear the damage numbers for Sole Survivor and Trophy Hunter are only for 1 magazine with no reload, whereas the number for izanagis are over the whole reserves. Once reload time is factored in Izanagis still beats out any legendary sniper by a decent margin
and lets not forget the pain this weapon and Rocket launchers suffer from ... teammate runs infront of you ,, boom your dead,,,, hit an invisible block around a pillar ... boom your dead ... wish some Catalysts included none or less selfdamage for this kind ... but that leaves Legendary's behind hehe
Datto ... there’s a subreddit for highly accurate hitboxes. I consistently bounce breach load grenade shots through Hive Knight legs. I want to be mad, but I’m honestly impressed that Bungie makes the hitboxes so tight.
Omar is not a microb, he's literally the larva you see when you reload the gun, just expand your FOV to see it well and look at the yellow box. That larva in the box is Omar.
That's one of the reasons I stopped playing this though... the ever changing meta. Something feels fun and powerful, Bungie nerfs it. Kinda got old for me among a few other things. I play periodically now. Unfortunately, this is hardly a game for casuals.
@@RapTapTap destiny certainly is more casual now, considering trials doesn't have any adept gear, which means people wont want to go flawless anymore due to the fact that you get a ghost, sparrow, and emblem. People want loot, but they cater to the people who say "well what if we arent good, we want it to hgnnnnn." They should incentive getting better, or trying to play better. But destiny 2 isnt casual in the fact that they always change the meta, which is bad and good. I think the meta should grow, and change...in PvP, but in PvE I think it should allow new options, but...keep the old options. Whisper does well, but imagine if it had infinite ammo just like Black Spindle....I dont think they realize that it feels good to be powerful in a game like Destiny. The most fun I have in PvE content is seeing how quick I can beat a encounter.
Are you referring to Sanctified Mind as a 2x Crit Multiplier boss? He used to have the 2x Crit Multiplier but he no longer has it. Shooting the Divinity Bubble does the same damage as his Chest Crit Spot now which is why 1K and Xenophage are so potent suddenly. I believe this is why you think Relay Defender has changed.
Josh Roblez nope he’s right at 20:00 he literally talks about how the boss has an “inflated” crit value which it no longer does. So VGAhayden is right.
As a warlock who runs sleeper simulant with every perk possible and catalyst so I never run out of ammo thank you for highlighting it so that everyone won’t give me crap for using my favourite gun
Creates a new exotic with too high dps you mean. The fact that izanagi got hit by 2 big nerfs and is still the king of special ammo snipers shows how overpowered it was to the rest before nerfs.
It’s a perfect example of reverse power creep. It wasn’t that good when it first released. Than when it’s catalyst came out it still wasn’t used for dps. It was only once auto reload as needed that it became the king of dps. Power creep is when you buff something. Reverse power creep is when something becomes the best because everything else is nerfed. That is what happened with Izanagi
Yeah totally agree. I wish I found his channel when I first started playing the game on September 2017. Instead I found KackisHD and as a new player to Destiny game I found all his tutorials over complicated. So I quit the game 2 weeks later only to come back 2 years after.
God, y'all whinge too much. Game balance requires nerfs, no amount of "BuT mY PoWeR fAnTaSy" ever changes that. Izanagi was basically made for another game ENTIRELY with how much damage it did, and what pervails after the nerf is exactly "less people use this weapon, the weapon didn't become useless, more weapons make it to the forefront." Nothing fucking broke, and nothing of consequence was lost. Stop trying to make the game even easier. Buffing everything is fucking stupid, because what matters aren't the numbers themselves, but how they interact, and all buffing everything does is confuse that. Some stuff gets overly powerful, and it's stupid to just bring everything up by 15%, then have to test EVERYTHING IN THE GAME to make sure this is interacting okay. Attack the problem, not the things around it. The more you avoid issues like that, the less likely things get fixed.
@@hehehe88 stfu you bungie apologist. The boss was designed in such a pathetic way that only snipers were the reliable damage source so blame bungie for their garbage game design instead of weapons you moron and btw nerfing weapons to make the game harder is the meaning of trash game design
Ive watched so many of Datto’s videos. I was listening to this audio only, but when he did the sidebar for the 1k voices damage tics I knew the screen went dark.
Datto: "Most people probably won't be willing to reload cancel to get the most out of Izanagi/ Wendigo" Me an ESO player who has been animation canceling for years: HOLD MY SUJAMMA!!
As someone who's mostly a solo player I was really happy with the Xenophage that I got the other day. Considering I haven't raided since Crota, this was a nice get. 😁
Ehroar made a GL centered video recently. TLDW is that the roll you described is lower dps than a single mag of wendigo + explosive light, but more dps than wendigo if you shoot more than one mag.
Mr.Fruit and I both agree just before talking about a gun, please show the gun page. Just so people can see the exotic perk for each weapon aswell as the catalyst. Thank you and love your videos! The Tavern is closed.😁
Just a reminder that heavy ammo is generally harder to find than special ammo, keep that in mind as you choose your weapon for dps (Or just have a backup as datto suggests)
Im glad to see you doing videos like this again my dude. "Thoughts" videos are nice but I was worried you werent gonna come back to videos like these especially since theres been a lot of other content creators make similar vids these days. Nothing against them of course. I just need my optimal DEEPS fix from datto
I'm really glad you're making these videos because it gives friends of mine more confidence to use what they like. It helps having numbers backing you up. Its amazing to see Bungie taking 3 years to make actium warrig useful but the madlads did it.
Getting back into this game since my friends from D1 are hoping on and not knowing what weapons are exactly the best damage has been annoying. SO god bless Datto for this info, really helps.
One thing I feel like gets slightly glazed over in a a lot of these discussions is differentiating between Special DPS and Heavy DPS. (Not this vid specifically, just in general.) You sort of touched on it a little bit mentioning stuff like Sole Survivor is good to pull out for after you run out of Heavy, but when I see people complaining about the Izanagi's nerf and how it competed with Whisper before, I feel like it's just kind of forgotten that we're talking about a Special vs Heavy. Also I think Swords deserve an honorary mention for DPS as well, I know they aren't going to work against a boss like Sanctified Mind that floats 20ft up in the air during damage, but I think they should be brought up as a viable option against more "grounded" bosses as something to keep in mind. (Gahlran's Deception comes to mind, and most Strike bosses for high level Nightfalls.)
Game: Has flaws on PvP, hackers, bad servers, etc. Bungie: *I SLEEP* Game: Can kill raid boss with a special ammo sniper in one phase. Bungie: *REAL SHIT?!* Game: People have fun in the game Bungie: *ASCENDANT*
Consider how many people haven't even done Riven's actual fight, despite it being considered much more fun than the cheese, and it's not terribly surprising that Bungie would nerf weapons that invalidate the entire encounter.
@@snowoffstream5823 Riven is one of the better examples, but in general the damage output guardians have available has helped invalidate most bosses. It's at the point where the most fun you can have with strikes is either handicapping yourself significantly, which players won't do Players will always veer towards the strongest strategy, even if it's not the most fun. If the fastest way to complete GoS was to have all six players stare at a wall for an hour, people would do just that. The goal of the developer is to make the most fun strategy also be the most viable, to keep things simple, and that's why the nerfs have been like they are in PvE. Are there other changes that are necessary? Of course there are! They haven't installed the Rasputin slides everywhere yet for example, which is a crime. But let's talk about what they have done rather than what they might. If players continue to have the extreme burst damage against single targets that they currently do, then boss design will have to be centred around that else it just won't matter (as can be seen with strike and raid bosses). As such I'd prefer lower boss DPS, since it would allow for more active encounters rather than purely puzzles or timegated ones (IE The Fanatic). For example the most fun strike boss I've fought in recent memory would be the Leviathan's breath version of Arms dealer. Those missiles made for a hectic experience reminiscent of classic arcade-style shooters, and I want to see more stuff like that. PS. Do note that mob and champion encounters are a different matter. Against mobs I personally enjoy fragile but strong enemies, so that you get the satisfaction of a sunshot chain reaction but still have to be careful. Champions meanwhile should be something which alters how you fight things, where you can either disable/life them until everything else is killed or take a risk and eliminate them quickly. That's just my 2 cents though.
@@123mickymouse123 Lots of good points, but your second is not fully valid. If they wanted to keep the fun strategies around, and make them even more viable, they wouldn't have removed the funs of Warlock and Titan skating. They were not something that nobody could learn. Anybody could pick up a sword as a Warlock, watch a video, and be skating. Yes, it allowed for some insane speedruns to be set, which I understand the frustration on that. Though, on the other hand, the people that used it to speedrun also do the strike normally, and enjoy the time spent doing it. It was merely a modicum of speeding up a grind, or setting a record that could be challenged by a player later. Also, Riven isn't really a good example. They didn't fix the ways players use to not do the encounter legit. All they did were fix the bugs that allowed players to do it solo. The 6 man cheeses still function. Riven is never going to be done legitly, mainly because everyone just wants to get 1 Thousand Voices and be done with Last Wish.
Started to go for 1000 Voices in Foresaken, got it in Season of Opulence. Been my favorite weapon ever since i got it. Feels so good to see that it is a real competetor
It always was useful but so much misinformation made people not use something very benefical. You do not shoot the divinity cage but now it doesnt really matter
The biggest problem with Izanagis on console has always been that it is difficult to fire the Honed Hdge shot accurately while also simultaneously holding reload to trigger the next Honed Edge without going through two reload animations. That drops its DPS significantly more than what is shown in this video. On MnK, I'm sure that is significantly easier to accomplish, but using a controller adds an extra layer of difficulty to maximize DPS with that gun. Also, my team has consistently had higher DPS with five Xenophages and one Divinity when compared to six Xenophages. It honestly really surprised me that Datto didn't talk about Divinity in this video. To me, it just seems that Xenophage is the best choice for consistency in DPS. I've had runs on the Sanctified Mind that have seen him move around a lot while on the ground, causing people to miss shots, as well as turning sideways while in the air, meaning his crit spot is not in view. Using a gun that is easier to adjust for his movement, and is not reliant on hitting his crit spot, seems like the all-around best choice.
18:48 so how much dps were this in the garden of salvation? Shoot Iza (4 loaded shots) ---> Reload 4 Ammo ---> Switch to wendigo (6 explosive lights) shoots 4 ---> switch back to iza --> Reload and switch back to wendigo 4 shots and so on. What were the exact numbers of this dps? Is this more than xeno/1k and all other setups? I am okay with it if I get average people and 2 Phase, but I am think I am not any more average with 55 Clears GoS, 3-maned GoS and Enlightend title, so I am up to use a not average setup which is may harder to use but better because of more dps. In short: I want to be the DMG KING and need the best and most DPS DMG SETUP
Dude that internal timer for reload cancel answers so many questions. I just thought my Machine Guns were acting stupid because right after my reload, they wouldn't shoot immediately. Now I know the truth. Thanks for the insight my man.
Datto, you should really stop relying on in game rpm numbers and test them yourself. We know from the bs that is delay between charges on Linear Fusion Rifles that the game is not always accurate in the stats it displays (in fact it rarely is), to the point where LFRs are doing HALF the dps most people assume they are
HellNaw tbh I think he underestimated line in the sand here, I got a god roll last season and I top damage numbers every damage phase in the raid over people using whisper or other exotics
MsStrongshot That’s strange bc LFRs are bugged and the charge time they display doesn’t take into account the delay between shots. There’s a delay before you can even start charging that lowers the dps signifcantly. That’s why I don’t trust in game stats at all anymore
@@MsStrongshot what was your damage in a single tether dps? Without using celestial on a hunter i can hit 800k+ in a single tether dps phase. What can you lfr do?
Clown Cartridge/Firing Line for Distant Tumulus is a great option for special weapons but it definitely is hard to aim with especially on Sanctified Mind. You can max out your standard mag size with Tactical Mag or any other mag perk so you have a free spot for Boss Spec. Worth considering when done with power weapons, but so are all snipers basically.
I use Line in the Sand with Clown Cartridge and then i switch to firing line before DPS and do about 80k per shot. I can usually get off 9 shots before the dps phase is over. Also use Trophy Hunter with triple tap + vorpal and appended mag and it does work too.
Summary: Izanagi: its shit Wendigo and 150 GLs: Still good Whisper: really good but your aim as to be godlike Xenophage: Best if used by a titan with actium war rig 1k Voices: Good, use if you can't aim Line in the sand: its shit Snioers: only bother if you ran out of heavy Sleeper: its shit
Hey Dum Dum Datto... I don't know why you used the second tether to test your numbers, but the time you can damage him is NOT THE SAME BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND TETHER. For FIRST TETHER he is on the ground for only 6 SECONDS before going up. For SECOND TETHER WHICH IS WHAT YOU USED FOR SOME REASON he is on the ground for OVER TEN SECONDS before going up. Might wanna do a little more research before putting up a video like this for 400k+ people to see.
The new best GL is probably Interference VI, which is the (new) New Monarchy world drop that came this season. It's 120 RPM, can roll spike grenades, auto-loading, AND full-court, and gets a 7-round mag with a backup mod. Doesn't get better.
Thought I'd put all the numbers in one place
Izanagis: 21,358 DPS
Whisper: 29, 469 DPS
Wendigo (2 mags): 26,880 DPS
150 GL (2 mags): 25,722 DPS
Xenophage (2 mags): 22,106 DPS
Xenophage (Actium War Rig): 28,908 DPS
1000 Voices (7 shots + reload): 26,230 DPS
Line in the Sand (2 mags): 24,445 DPS
Trophy Hunter (1 mag): 20,150 DPS
Sole Survivor (1 mag): 21,382 DPS
Sleeper Simulant (2 mag): 27,334 DPS
Sleeper Simulant (11 shots): 23,108 DPS
You are a saint
Izanagi’s using special ammo is still a huge boon over the power weapons so I don’t knock it for doing less damage than those, but to have it do only 1k more than Trophy Hunter, a legendary? That’s kind of a blow.
I assume that this means that Izanagi’s does wayyy more damage than Trophy Hunter on a per-shot basis as opposed to this “all reserves / time” calculation, so against certain single targets Izanagi’s could still reign supreme (the new No Distractions perk supports this usage too), but which targets merit Honed Edge x4 AND will be killed by that single shot-is that still true of Champions? Not true of bosses.
@@tchviolin And not only is only doing 1k more than Trophy Hunter as an exotic, that's WITH the catalyst :/
So its pretty balance then
Jeff Wear the damage numbers for Sole Survivor and Trophy Hunter are only for 1 magazine with no reload, whereas the number for izanagis are over the whole reserves. Once reload time is factored in Izanagis still beats out any legendary sniper by a decent margin
“The reason I’m weary on grenade launchers... you have a chance of completely whiffing your shots.” You know me too well.
and lets not forget the pain this weapon and Rocket launchers suffer from ... teammate runs infront of you ,, boom your dead,,,, hit an invisible block around a pillar ... boom your dead ... wish some Catalysts included none or less selfdamage for this kind ... but that leaves Legendary's behind hehe
if you're anything like me, you're threading grenades through armpits of enemies
@@DattoDoesDestiny I manage to slip through rounds their fingers and hit trees a hundred yards away. Feels bad.
Datto ... there’s a subreddit for highly accurate hitboxes. I consistently bounce breach load grenade shots through Hive Knight legs. I want to be mad, but I’m honestly impressed that Bungie makes the hitboxes so tight.
@@InfernoPhilM r/hitboxporn?
Datto: "Nobody took this hit harder than Izinagi's"
D.A.R.C.I: *Cries in the corner of the exotic selection*
I mean Izanagi undoubtedly did as it got hit by the global nerf and a large targeted nerf. Darci sucks but it also sucked before.
Darci shouldn’t even be a heavy weapon anymore
@@aubird456 Forreal though
Paul Daley just like sleeper Simulant. After the nerfe in year 2 every buff of linear fusions do Not include this weapon
Lol darci wasn't good to begin with
Datto: Xenophage is pretty good now.
Omar Agah: *laughs microscopically*
That's pretty good actually. Lol
Omar is not a microb, he's literally the larva you see when you reload the gun, just expand your FOV to see it well and look at the yellow box. That larva in the box is Omar.
Facundno Bueno ...
@@Saint_Wolf_ r/whoosh...
@@Saint_Wolf_ You must be fun at parties
Praise be our lord and savior Datto for his numbers. Praise be
he did the math
Amen
@@Roadrunner-n9k he did the monster math
@@thesleeplessone6971 THE MONSTER MATH!!
He did it in a flash
Oh please. He didn't even calculate for the reload bonuses from stacking Rapid Hit on the Line in the Sand, into his final DPS result for the weapon.
0:53 today I learned that cyclopes have a vex milk spot behind em
I never knew that
Does it count as precision damage if you shoot it?
@@seanle-dinh7622 Nope! I've tried shooting it before, doesn't crit.
Brother?
Huh, I never noticed that. Good eye.
Bungie: Understood. Nerfing Xenophage.
Inb4 20 second reload animation and 50% less ammo in the mag.
That's one of the reasons I stopped playing this though... the ever changing meta. Something feels fun and powerful, Bungie nerfs it. Kinda got old for me among a few other things. I play periodically now. Unfortunately, this is hardly a game for casuals.
@@BigDMoney83 homie if you dont think Destiny is casual I got news for you...
@@RapTapTap I play games with a stronger grind certainly but in Destiny there's a sense in Destiny after taking any time off of "I missed so much."
@@RapTapTap destiny certainly is more casual now, considering trials doesn't have any adept gear, which means people wont want to go flawless anymore due to the fact that you get a ghost, sparrow, and emblem. People want loot, but they cater to the people who say "well what if we arent good, we want it to hgnnnnn."
They should incentive getting better, or trying to play better.
But destiny 2 isnt casual in the fact that they always change the meta, which is bad and good. I think the meta should grow, and change...in PvP, but in PvE I think it should allow new options, but...keep the old options. Whisper does well, but imagine if it had infinite ammo just like Black Spindle....I dont think they realize that it feels good to be powerful in a game like Destiny.
The most fun I have in PvE content is seeing how quick I can beat a encounter.
i've been using rare blue quality sparrows for some crazy damage, def recommend
I miss those old zur videos alot :
what a throwback
No joke I love watching these. It's just so informative and honestly easy to listen to.
IT'S TIME FOR OPTIMAL DPS
he did the dps with MISTAH FWOOOOOTTT
Are you referring to Sanctified Mind as a 2x Crit Multiplier boss?
He used to have the 2x Crit Multiplier but he no longer has it.
Shooting the Divinity Bubble does the same damage as his Chest Crit Spot now which is why 1K and Xenophage are so potent suddenly.
I believe this is why you think Relay Defender has changed.
he knows this already, this is why he claims his old damage testing is wrong
Josh Roblez nope he’s right at 20:00 he literally talks about how the boss has an “inflated” crit value which it no longer does. So VGAhayden is right.
As a warlock who runs sleeper simulant with every perk possible and catalyst so I never run out of ammo thank you for highlighting it so that everyone won’t give me crap for using my favourite gun
Caleb Emekpe
It makes me so happy, Sleeper is my favorite too :)
Im glad i find someone using a fav exotic just because they like it and not trying to max out DPS
Same. Ive used it since warmind and despite many nerfs, the catalyst makes the gun incredible. My favorite gun by far.
Bungie: _creates new exotic, it has high dps_
Players: _use it for dps_
Bungie: _nerf its dps_
Players: _stop using it_
Bungie: :0
Destiny in a nutshell ^^
Creates a new exotic with too high dps you mean. The fact that izanagi got hit by 2 big nerfs and is still the king of special ammo snipers shows how overpowered it was to the rest before nerfs.
@@monke2438 it didnt need to be nerfed this much its supposed to be a bloody exotic
It’s a perfect example of reverse power creep. It wasn’t that good when it first released. Than when it’s catalyst came out it still wasn’t used for dps. It was only once auto reload as needed that it became the king of dps. Power creep is when you buff something. Reverse power creep is when something becomes the best because everything else is nerfed. That is what happened with Izanagi
Still pisses me off they gutted TLW on mouse and keyboard then made Hard Light do what it did at 5x the range.
Your by far the most helpful person for destiny and I love your content
Yeah totally agree. I wish I found his channel when I first started playing the game on September 2017. Instead I found KackisHD and as a new player to Destiny game I found all his tutorials over complicated. So I quit the game 2 weeks later only to come back 2 years after.
You're*
@@Novin.S bore off.
this vid will only be relevant for the next 5 minutes before bungie nerfs any word mentioned in this video
The word "the" is receiving a nerf. Good riddance.
Im so glad Garden of Salvation is getting nerfed, the gun was way too broken.
*imagine using the entire area of the raid as a weapon*
Luke Smith is watching this and giggling at what they’ll nerf next
God, y'all whinge too much. Game balance requires nerfs, no amount of "BuT mY PoWeR fAnTaSy" ever changes that. Izanagi was basically made for another game ENTIRELY with how much damage it did, and what pervails after the nerf is exactly "less people use this weapon, the weapon didn't become useless, more weapons make it to the forefront." Nothing fucking broke, and nothing of consequence was lost.
Stop trying to make the game even easier. Buffing everything is fucking stupid, because what matters aren't the numbers themselves, but how they interact, and all buffing everything does is confuse that. Some stuff gets overly powerful, and it's stupid to just bring everything up by 15%, then have to test EVERYTHING IN THE GAME to make sure this is interacting okay. Attack the problem, not the things around it. The more you avoid issues like that, the less likely things get fixed.
@@hehehe88 stfu you bungie apologist. The boss was designed in such a pathetic way that only snipers were the reliable damage source so blame bungie for their garbage game design instead of weapons you moron and btw nerfing weapons to make the game harder is the meaning of trash game design
1:47 Lol that was kinda cute to watch
4:20 check out the boss watching datto miss his granade
BOING
I'm bad at jumping :D
Dr. Omega I watched it an chuckled
Others laugh at it while I just wonder why guardians bounce off of walls and specially other guardians like they're made out of rubber.
Hey Datto just wanted to thank you for the entertainment
thanks for watching it
Mathis isn’t entertainment,
This is *gospel*
Praise the number lord Datto
2:46 wait is that my boi mr fruit? Doing a raid? That cant be right
Haha and I see Blue in there, almost have the dream team!!
On dat grind for Trials
Don’t say boi you sound like you’re 4
@@acostco9921 Kratos aint 4 and neither am I
@@aimbotbob5056 ?
Are you telling me i can use a variety of weapons to do boss damage and even tailor build my loadout depending on the boss? That pretty neat
wait what? a positive comment about destiny? impossible
Nope. Now to find an lfg for a raid cp you must be able to recite Busta Rhymes part in Look At Me Now at 2x speed without a mistake.
Ive watched so many of Datto’s videos. I was listening to this audio only, but when he did the sidebar for the 1k voices damage tics I knew the screen went dark.
Xenophage has come a long way since it launched, I’m proud of my gender confused weapon
They grow so fast.
Am I an insect or a gun??!
You're both
@@jesseritchie9282 not gonna when I first saw xenophange I thought it was a Machine gun
@ it's a heavy scout rifle disguised as a machine gun
A wild potato appeared what do you mean. It’s a rail gun but with a belt mag
Never would have thought that I would even hear of Sleeper again.
Interference VI is a great option. You can get spike grenades, autoloading holster and full court. It is a great grenade launcher for boss dps.
Clown cartridge is a great option albeit it depends heavily on RNG
Got a cartridge full court one, no spike sadly. Still does a crap ton of damage ☺️
This was the video I was waiting on since the start of this season, I appreciate all the work you do, good job on this video bud
Datto: "Most people probably won't be willing to reload cancel to get the most out of Izanagi/ Wendigo"
Me an ESO player who has been animation canceling for years: HOLD MY SUJAMMA!!
As a fellow warframe player I wholly approve of this comment
As a fellow ESO end game raider I also associate with this comment
Fuck man I remember when people were crazy about block cancelling and nowadays there’s some BS about lowering the skill ceiling with LAs and HAs :(
Oh boy ESO is my game, I just wish ZoS will stop messing with LAs and HAs and focus on the fricken LAG and desyncs.
Just put it on a spreadsheet with 2 columns of "with hunter reload" and "without hunter reload"
We'll multiply out the buffs later.
But, what about Interference VI with spike, auto loading and full court? ;) just kidding.. great breakdown again Datto!
L&D > Interference IV
Nukyyy ya, I have the full court with spike love and death and they feel the same to me.. I like The change though :)
I started playing Titan this season, and I just got Xenophage, was really excited and then I remembered, I don’t have Actium War Rig yet.
I got Actium War Rig SOOOOOOO much during year 1 XD
LuigiXGamer I just got it about 30 minutes ago.
Also I didn’t play much Titan in year 1.
Datto: "All of the weapons are viable to use!"
Thanos: *"Perfectly Balanced as all things should be."*
Darci is actually pretty decent
As someone who's mostly a solo player I was really happy with the Xenophage that I got the other day. Considering I haven't raided since Crota, this was a nice get. 😁
Damn. was hoping to hear about the Interference with full court + spike + clown cartidge.. Great video tho.
Ehroar made a GL centered video recently. TLDW is that the roll you described is lower dps than a single mag of wendigo + explosive light, but more dps than wendigo if you shoot more than one mag.
Mr.Fruit and I both agree just before talking about a gun, please show the gun page. Just so people can see the exotic perk for each weapon aswell as the catalyst.
Thank you and love your videos!
The Tavern is closed.😁
Just a reminder that heavy ammo is generally harder to find than special ammo, keep that in mind as you choose your weapon for dps (Or just have a backup as datto suggests)
The sniper Datto is using in the beginning of the video is called Trophy Hunter and can be only gotten from the obelisk
I have come to one most definite conclusion after watching this video: I have NO CLUE what I'm doing. I just point and shoot.
Im glad to see you doing videos like this again my dude. "Thoughts" videos are nice but I was worried you werent gonna come back to videos like these especially since theres been a lot of other content creators make similar vids these days. Nothing against them of course. I just need my optimal DEEPS fix from datto
I've just went back to my Sleeper.
Thanks for taking the time to clear things up again for us Datto. We really appreciate you. Stay safe always
18:25 OH THATS WHY! i thought my mouse is broken or something
I don't play destiny anymore so this doesn't help me at all but these are STILL some favorite TH-cam videos. Datto da best
Man, I friggin' love One Thousand Voices.
who dosen't?its a beast
Cries in 0 voices
I'm really glad you're making these videos because it gives friends of mine more confidence to use what they like. It helps having numbers backing you up.
Its amazing to see Bungie taking 3 years to make actium warrig useful but the madlads did it.
Use fusion rifle when he's one the ground and swap to whisper
Getting back into this game since my friends from D1 are hoping on and not knowing what weapons are exactly the best damage has been annoying. SO god bless Datto for this info, really helps.
4:21 lmao the disrespect
Most advanced chest bump of all time @ 1:45
The way he says „other“... 0:03 3:16
Otherr
One thing I feel like gets slightly glazed over in a a lot of these discussions is differentiating between Special DPS and Heavy DPS. (Not this vid specifically, just in general.)
You sort of touched on it a little bit mentioning stuff like Sole Survivor is good to pull out for after you run out of Heavy, but when I see people complaining about the Izanagi's nerf and how it competed with Whisper before, I feel like it's just kind of forgotten that we're talking about a Special vs Heavy.
Also I think Swords deserve an honorary mention for DPS as well, I know they aren't going to work against a boss like Sanctified Mind that floats 20ft up in the air during damage, but I think they should be brought up as a viable option against more "grounded" bosses as something to keep in mind. (Gahlran's Deception comes to mind, and most Strike bosses for high level Nightfalls.)
+1 on the swords; seasonal mods for swords go hard.
9:29 Warlocks can actually use transversive steps to reload faster by just running in a circle, or in and out of a bubble mabye.
Colby Shepard exactly! First gear piece I thought of when he said that.
Still takes too long tho.
Holy math. WE LOVE ITTTTTTTT! These in depth videos are by far the most helpful
Game: Has flaws on PvP, hackers, bad servers, etc.
Bungie: *I SLEEP*
Game: Can kill raid boss with a special ammo sniper in one phase.
Bungie: *REAL SHIT?!*
Game: People have fun in the game
Bungie: *ASCENDANT*
Consider how many people haven't even done Riven's actual fight, despite it being considered much more fun than the cheese, and it's not terribly surprising that Bungie would nerf weapons that invalidate the entire encounter.
Why does having to do two raid rotations make people platinum mad?
@@123mickymouse123 That moment when it hits you that Bungie didn't actually nerf the weapons that invalidated the entire Riven encounter.
@@snowoffstream5823 Riven is one of the better examples, but in general the damage output guardians have available has helped invalidate most bosses. It's at the point where the most fun you can have with strikes is either handicapping yourself significantly, which players won't do
Players will always veer towards the strongest strategy, even if it's not the most fun. If the fastest way to complete GoS was to have all six players stare at a wall for an hour, people would do just that. The goal of the developer is to make the most fun strategy also be the most viable, to keep things simple, and that's why the nerfs have been like they are in PvE.
Are there other changes that are necessary? Of course there are! They haven't installed the Rasputin slides everywhere yet for example, which is a crime. But let's talk about what they have done rather than what they might.
If players continue to have the extreme burst damage against single targets that they currently do, then boss design will have to be centred around that else it just won't matter (as can be seen with strike and raid bosses). As such I'd prefer lower boss DPS, since it would allow for more active encounters rather than purely puzzles or timegated ones (IE The Fanatic). For example the most fun strike boss I've fought in recent memory would be the Leviathan's breath version of Arms dealer. Those missiles made for a hectic experience reminiscent of classic arcade-style shooters, and I want to see more stuff like that.
PS. Do note that mob and champion encounters are a different matter. Against mobs I personally enjoy fragile but strong enemies, so that you get the satisfaction of a sunshot chain reaction but still have to be careful. Champions meanwhile should be something which alters how you fight things, where you can either disable/life them until everything else is killed or take a risk and eliminate them quickly. That's just my 2 cents though.
@@123mickymouse123 Lots of good points, but your second is not fully valid. If they wanted to keep the fun strategies around, and make them even more viable, they wouldn't have removed the funs of Warlock and Titan skating. They were not something that nobody could learn. Anybody could pick up a sword as a Warlock, watch a video, and be skating.
Yes, it allowed for some insane speedruns to be set, which I understand the frustration on that. Though, on the other hand, the people that used it to speedrun also do the strike normally, and enjoy the time spent doing it. It was merely a modicum of speeding up a grind, or setting a record that could be challenged by a player later.
Also, Riven isn't really a good example. They didn't fix the ways players use to not do the encounter legit. All they did were fix the bugs that allowed players to do it solo. The 6 man cheeses still function. Riven is never going to be done legitly, mainly because everyone just wants to get 1 Thousand Voices and be done with Last Wish.
Firing Line in The Sand has been my go-to DPS weapon now. I just run a primary or secondary exotic in raids for follow up deeps now.
Finally, one-phasing a raid boss is now a feat instead of the norm.
I really missed these kind of videos. Great video datto!!
1:45 - Insert “bonk” sound effect here. lol.
Started to go for 1000 Voices in Foresaken, got it in Season of Opulence. Been my favorite weapon ever since i got it. Feels so good to see that it is a real competetor
Didn't sanctified mind get its crit mod changed in season of dawn, so Divinity is actually beneficial now?
Divinity is defo useful now so I'd assume so. I ran it during a run last night
Yes he did.
2x Crit is no longer on Sanctified Mind which is why he thought his old Damage testing was wrong.
Does Divinity still stack with tether or did they fix it ?
It always was useful but so much misinformation made people not use something very benefical. You do not shoot the divinity cage but now it doesnt really matter
@@frogsta360 it doesn't stack. It was a bug that caused it to stack, and bungie patched it
Dude I thought my controller was broken. Thanks for letting me know you cant cancel Izanagis reload!
Nice guide for this boss. As I have only beaten the raid and got divinity as well only once. Used Whisper of the Worm, The Recluse, and Mountain Top.
Never thought I see the day where xenophage and 1k were viable
jack young 1k has been good bruh
Bosnian Turkey Except when I blow myself up with it
1k fym? It used to be the best and everyone want it...
Ian Walker but it wasn’t the best dps weapon
I could listen to datto talk about weapon damage numbers & weapon retirement for hours!
Congrats Datto, you got the game you want.
Thanks for the video. Just the thing i was looking for this season. Great work!
but what about _Hush with Taken spec?_
I'd deffo use an icarus grip for the higher dps on that Boss. Rampage spec also works well
The biggest problem with Izanagis on console has always been that it is difficult to fire the Honed Hdge shot accurately while also simultaneously holding reload to trigger the next Honed Edge without going through two reload animations. That drops its DPS significantly more than what is shown in this video. On MnK, I'm sure that is significantly easier to accomplish, but using a controller adds an extra layer of difficulty to maximize DPS with that gun.
Also, my team has consistently had higher DPS with five Xenophages and one Divinity when compared to six Xenophages. It honestly really surprised me that Datto didn't talk about Divinity in this video.
To me, it just seems that Xenophage is the best choice for consistency in DPS. I've had runs on the Sanctified Mind that have seen him move around a lot while on the ground, causing people to miss shots, as well as turning sideways while in the air, meaning his crit spot is not in view. Using a gun that is easier to adjust for his movement, and is not reliant on hitting his crit spot, seems like the all-around best choice.
Wooo no merciless? Bummer. Make merciless great again......errr or just great
I'm so happy seeing Xenophage in there >.< I love this thing!
18:48 so how much dps were this in the garden of salvation? Shoot Iza (4 loaded shots) ---> Reload 4 Ammo ---> Switch to wendigo (6 explosive lights) shoots 4 ---> switch back to iza --> Reload and switch back to wendigo 4 shots and so on. What were the exact numbers of this dps? Is this more than xeno/1k and all other setups?
I am okay with it if I get
average people and 2 Phase, but I am think I am not any more
average with 55 Clears GoS, 3-maned GoS and Enlightend title, so I am up to use a not
average setup which is may harder to use but better because of more dps.
In short: I want to be the DMG KING and need the best and most DPS DMG SETUP
Thanks for putting this together. Always interesting stuff to see.
He forgot darci 😔
Dude that internal timer for reload cancel answers so many questions.
I just thought my Machine Guns were acting stupid because right after my reload, they wouldn't shoot immediately.
Now I know the truth. Thanks for the insight my man.
Yeah it threw me off for a while till I figured out what was going on, especially since it seemed to only ever happen with slow reloading guns.
"Ophidian Aspect" - Datto, you have failed me once again.
It does not auto reload
Khalil Butler nothing does
@@secretchannel6232 actium war rig
Just experienced the two phase w/mod first time last week with a group. I had no idea it was a thing, lul.
Datto, you should really stop relying on in game rpm numbers and test them yourself. We know from the bs that is delay between charges on Linear Fusion Rifles that the game is not always accurate in the stats it displays (in fact it rarely is), to the point where LFRs are doing HALF the dps most people assume they are
HellNaw tbh I think he underestimated line in the sand here, I got a god roll last season and I top damage numbers every damage phase in the raid over people using whisper or other exotics
RadTheLad no, I was on tether
MsStrongshot That’s strange bc LFRs are bugged and the charge time they display doesn’t take into account the delay between shots. There’s a delay before you can even start charging that lowers the dps signifcantly. That’s why I don’t trust in game stats at all anymore
@@MsStrongshot what was your damage in a single tether dps? Without using celestial on a hunter i can hit 800k+ in a single tether dps phase. What can you lfr do?
Clown Cartridge/Firing Line for Distant Tumulus is a great option for special weapons but it definitely is hard to aim with especially on Sanctified Mind. You can max out your standard mag size with Tactical Mag or any other mag perk so you have a free spot for Boss Spec. Worth considering when done with power weapons, but so are all snipers basically.
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@Emperor's Champion idk man the exotic they gave you this season is pretty awesome....while the hunter exotic is complete garbage
@@Joker-bc9po our exotic is disabled now
I use Line in the Sand with Clown Cartridge and then i switch to firing line before DPS and do about 80k per shot. I can usually get off 9 shots before the dps phase is over. Also use Trophy Hunter with triple tap + vorpal and appended mag and it does work too.
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Are trace rifles decent??? I wanna use my coldheart😂
Soy Ortega I hope you’re joking
Unless you have divinity, no
I wanted this video a hour then BAM Datto made my day. Thank you so much man!!!
What’s his energy sniper that he’s using in the start of the vid it looks like a psions sniper rifle lol
Because it is, it's trophy hunter which uses basically the same model
Wow. How does Datto get so much info?
I love how he's playing with Mr. Fruit
I already know Xeno will win there’re no way
Good work! I was recommended this video by TH-cam 😊
Summary:
Izanagi: its shit
Wendigo and 150 GLs: Still good
Whisper: really good but your aim as to be godlike
Xenophage: Best if used by a titan with actium war rig
1k Voices: Good, use if you can't aim
Line in the sand: its shit
Snioers: only bother if you ran out of heavy
Sleeper: its shit
Change armamentariam to actium war rig boss
@@NorthernHarker nice catch!
line in the sand can deal up to 500k easy per damage phase
@@MrNuclearz Gotchu
But sleeper was one of the highest dps weapons mentioned.
I've been rocking with xenophage for months...such a fun gun to use
Hey Dum Dum Datto... I don't know why you used the second tether to test your numbers, but the time you can damage him is NOT THE SAME BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND TETHER. For FIRST TETHER he is on the ground for only 6 SECONDS before going up. For SECOND TETHER WHICH IS WHAT YOU USED FOR SOME REASON he is on the ground for OVER TEN SECONDS before going up. Might wanna do a little more research before putting up a video like this for 400k+ people to see.
THANK YOU FOR THIS!!!!! the teams I have been on have not been able to put out the DPS needed to beat the boss. So it doesn't get finished SMH
i told them "Xenophage will be meta" they said "Uh-huh, ok"
now, they burn in the fires of hell as i rise, as the alpha male gamer i am.
As always perfect info and perfect video. Much appreciated. Really good video.
Even though its outdated information now
Sorta
Its still interesting and fun watching these vids again
Datto! Best Destiny content out there. Keep up the good work, thank you!
The reload cancel can also be used to line up your shot, saving time ergo increasing dps
Datto. This is why we watch you. You dont need to stress for massive contend and burnout. Just be our theory guy. We love you for this
This was satisfying to see and be informed on. Great video appreciate the effort in putting this together
I got a top tier Interference with Full Court, FIeld Prep, and Spike Grenades. That thing puts in WORK.
Im glad im not the only one who noticed the off numbers for 1k voices have 10 hit by laser then 9 explosion numbers.
The new best GL is probably Interference VI, which is the (new) New Monarchy world drop that came this season. It's 120 RPM, can roll spike grenades, auto-loading, AND full-court, and gets a 7-round mag with a backup mod. Doesn't get better.
Thanks for making content like this. Great stuff