Here's Why Marcus Lehto Left Battlefield & What It Means For The Franchise..
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EA / DICE straight up making the man consider retirement.
It's definitely not Dice in my opinion, it's most likely EA's stranglehold on Dice. It's a sad sight.
@@Deltatwo3 oh poor DICE, boo hoo ;( Stuck with evil EA for past 22 years xD
Seems like it pays off, don't you think? It pays off to keep making terrible games for 11 years now (with small break for BF1). We can agree that it is a sad sight, but it's been like that for loooong time now.
@@uglyjonah6412 I didn't say anything about timeframe. I'm sorry you're having such a rough time man 😳
@@Deltatwo3Stop defending Dice, they are a part of EA, bro.
This is super discouraging I hope the next game is at least a little better. Hoo boy everything comes to an end and I feel like I won't get to experience what I did when I was first introduced to the series back in 2142, and what everything through BF4 continued to deliver on... I feel like Big Gaming is sort of like Starbucks now. Albeit I do like to enjoy a great cup of coffee from a local coffee shop, the reality is they are hit or miss. But I can always get a decent cup at Starbucks. And I feel like the new "data driven" approach to all tech will continue to yield lukewarm games that ensure the shareholders make their money, rather than the old way of games either hitting or missing. It's much safer to follow the trends and cater to everyone and nobody at the same time.
I've said this before, but i think we all need to keep realistic expectations and not get too hyped when it comes to the next BF. I personally don't have much faith in the franchise anymore, but I'm happy to be proved wrong.
Remember the trailer for bf2042 the hype set in immediately just to be let down
I think you'd have to be borderline insane to be excited for the next BF. Stockholm syndrome.
i havent had faith in them since BF4. Ive hated every single BF that has came after BF4. Shit, I still play BF4 sometimes when bored. They're never coming back to the old ways. We've been screaming at them for 7+years to just go back to what worked and they still continue to go further and further away from their origins. fuck EA
Wait, is anyone having hype about the next release?
Who could possibly be hyped for the next battlefield?
I mean while it may not exactly be the coup de grâce, it is frightening to be hearing alarm bells already ringing this early on
I bet they're rolling w specialists still and he was like fuck that
probably had no creative freedom
I’m ready to appoint a virtual funeral for the battlefield franchise
I'm not too bothered about a campaign, just ditch the obnoxious specialists. there are clearly still many issues with BF, but my god seeing the same characters over and over and over and over and over and over again again and again.. on both teams is utter brain rot
But seeing the exact same class character wasn't? I know I have lamented since bad company the sameness. The wookies of BC2 are infamous.
@@TheoriginalBMT bf V already fixed that
@icepickiii BFV fixed this though it would work today especially with different types of armor or balaclava hell weapon skins
@@JuanmaDN885 Exactly - BFV built the foundation and was already perfect for 2042 if you ask me, but no they decided to do a BO4 approach.
Given all the layoffs going around every part of the industry, I have to wonder if that (finance/revised project budget) was a factor
Seems I was right...
I've been in several leadership/middle management positions at corporations and was only written up like once and never fired but yet I quit them all because of the way some of those above me started forcing me to run my side of things when I knew what I was doing and was successful at it and the things I was being forced to do were objectively pointless or counterproductive and the fall out from those stupid decisions would often also be scapegoated my way or towards my people which is about the fastest way to piss me off if my people don't deserve the blame.
My point is just because he quit doesn't mean he wasn't 'forced' to do so and people talking about the photo he posted of him having lunch with his people could've been his final gift to them if he was tired of those above him having a negative impact on him, his work and his people and knew that it would be hell for those under him if/when he left. A lot of people that either haven't been in those positions or just didn't care have no idea how stressful that job is when you do care and you have to balance what is best for the company, what's best for your people, what your boss wants, what your boss's boss wants, and all the other f ups that come along.
There was a point where I was literally doing the job of 3 leads meaning I was the only one incharge of my team and another team both of which were supposed to have minimum 2 leads each (I say the job of 3 leads instead of 4 because I wasn't doing 100% of the work for the other 2 lead positions) and it stayed that way for like 4-5 months until they started bitching at me for minor shit even though I was literally doing more and had more responsibility than anyone else in the store of at least 70 employees and I was given keys and alarm codes to the whole place (which was above my pay grade) because those above me were tired of staying late during covid when we were incredibly busy restocking late into the early morning hours so they would leave me incharge of the whole place including those that were technically equal to me in other departments which created a whole other bottle bs and all the while those above me are going around bitching at my guys and training them incorrectly while I'm having to cover someone else's position when they could've just did the shit I has having to do and I could've did my shit so eventually after months of endless bs I quit. It was a similar situation at the job before that too but that one wasn't as bad and tbh some of it was my fault partially because there was a death in the family and it fucked my family up really bad and I had my own shit too and my head wasn't in the game so I can't put it all on them however they bitched at me for taking half a day off to go to the funeral so yeah I kinda stopped caring who fault was what at that point.
Obviously it still pisses me off and I could literally write a book about all that shit but anyway I wouldn't be surprised if he left because of his bosses trying to force him to make stupid game design decisions or do wrong by his people or anything like that. He doesn't strike me as the type to leave after only a couple years unless something is up and in my experience it usually takes a few months for the BS to pop up then you tolerate it for at least a few months and then it gets better or that person leaves and then it gets better but then when the BS comes back again you're just done and leave because you see how its going end up and don't want to waste your time. In other words I think this is actually probably really really bad news but we'll see
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Your thinking too deep about this lol
absolutely. This is how corporations work. I work for one and I can see what happened to him. Sometimes the senior management team makes decisions that make no sense for us regulars - I am also leading a team of people, and I have to make stupid decisions that make no Fing sense. If you have a back bone, you can only last this much. Clearly Marcus reached his boiling point.
I know it's been such a shame to see such a great franchise crumble piece by piece.
I vote they make a B3 & B4 revamp mashup that would be epic. Then just add some new maps to those because they were SOLID games.
It's Hard to be a Battlefield fan/Player.
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I have to say, after playing every Battlefield game since 2003, the few that actually had a campaign, I feel didn't add anything to the game. You really can't say that it helps in learning the gun and vehicle mechanics because they are always quite different PVP. And you can't say it gives you a feel for the maps in the game because a lot of the campaign is played in areas of the map that typically aren't playable in PVP. So these are misnomers. As far as character and lore, really? Who gives a shit about that? How does that make for a better experience when playing a first-person shooter in PVP?! The amount of money, time, and effort dedicated to character development, voice acting, story telling/lore, and a campaign that may give you a couple hours of enjoyment that you will most likely only play once, is just a waste of time. There are plenty of story driven games out there, BF doesn't need to be one of them. Just give us a working game at release and as many maps, guns, and vehicles as possible.
Here is the thing - they could to some extent use parts of campaign as a base for co-op experience. It could be interesting direction to go, especially if use a random algorythm for setting objectives, enemies, weapons/equipment/vehicle etc. Heck - they could go in to quasi Helldivers direction with spawning players as airborne paratroopers.
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Even if they made a campaign for the Specialists and made them more interesting, I still wouldn’t prefer Specialists/Operators/Heroes over playing as a grunt, personally. Even in Battlefront 2 that had some well known characters I liked, I still highly preferred playing as a Clone Trooper, Stormtrooper, or a BX Commando. I do wonder what this means for the next Battlefield game though.
Yeah I fully agree with you there.
All is well on the homefront
in a corporate world, there is no, "exploring endeavors and opportunities outside" ..there is always "you sign it here and we have an agreement". Corporates never officially fire people. They agree with you. Its clear that the man had a great vision on what could be done with Battlefield but was not up to the standards with financial gains that EA needs from this franchise. So they flushed him out.
Given the lack of spin on his departure it looks like EA didn't know he was going. We don't know what happened and likely never will. But let's not assume we've lost a hero here... maybe his 'personal vision' was something Battlefielders would consider an abomination. We just don't know... anything really. In a year or two we'll find out if the next BF is any good.
Exactly, nobody outside of the people immediately involved know anything even remotely close to the truth. All of this is just people trying to find the bad in a situation they know nothing about and fabricating problems where there may be none.
Assuming EA was insistent on something he deemed a non starter or vice versa. The real question is - what was it and would said decision have a positive on negative impact on what the player base is expecting. We may never know.
This should have been cleared up before the work has already started. If this has anything to do with EA, they tried to intervene when all the teams were already heads deep into developing what they decided on last year. EA can be dumbasses, but not that much
The writing is on the wall
EA is so money hungry that it's insane
its crazy how marcus is the one who build the ridgeline games studio and then left.. what the heck are EA doing man :( best of luck for him
I wonder if the campaign mode was scrapped. Inside gaming is reporting there's going to be a free to play Battle Royale mode
EA: We keeping specialists for the next BF game
Lehto: May aswell bury the franchise, im out
...probably.........
The EA survey came out after Feb 2nd, maybe the fans were not interested in a campaign.
Need to sort your title.
Ghost got the scoop great job.
It's likely he was brought on for preproduction and now that the scope of the game is dialed in he's role there is unnecessary.
I'm not getting my optimism up about the next game either, but the extent that people go to in order to seek out the most negative interpretation of every little news item is pretty extreme.
There's actual evidence presented in this video that he was getting along well with the team.
He didn't get made redundant though, he left by himself.
@@GhostGamingg Ture, I take that back then. I think the overall point about reading negativity into the situation stands.
One would think if he'd had the interaction you described, leaving would be an easy decision to make.
I don't think so, I mean I'm sure as you stated he loved the folks he worked with at Ridgeline and they probably loved working with him. It was almost certainly a higher-up from EA or elsewhere who stepped on his toes and gave him an ultimatum to back down or you know where the door is type deal. That is to say, if that's how it went down.@ardKing752
I'm willing to bet that ea just didn't let him do his thing. I fully expect the next game to be another trainwreck sadly. Hopefully I'm wrong
Did you see the last news from Thom Enderson? Next BF will have a free battle Royal 😅. Can you please check it?? Thanks 👍
Does battlebit remastered need a campaign
no. dead game as predicted
I agree with that Spekulation 😅👍 I might even bet. It is absolutely certain that there was a short circuit with the EA.
Are you? You're "absolutely certain" that was the reason? That's a very bold position to take with zero concrete evidence to support it.
@@canman87 we all know EA 😉
Pack it up, guys and gals, it's over.
Title could use a bit of reform. Just letting you know
Well spotted, thank you! Must have misclicked something.
In general, the next title will be good because Dice learned from 2042@@GhostGamingg
@@barakatalsalhy6836 Lmao, I was talking about the video title haha.
@@GhostGaminggNot to be that guy, but it should say "and what it means" rather than "and what it mean". Hope I'm not being too observant here lol.
Hahaha, on the contrary, you're saving me from further embarressment. Either I'm half asleep or I'm having a stroke@rious447
“It was a very tough decision” is meaningless corporate speak.
Battlefield singleplayer is a waste of time anyways, hopefully Bungie reaches out and lets Lehto work on something that won’t be a lost cause
EA doing a smashing job again...
Maybe the time away is a Is part of his contract. If I quit I have to stay away from my industry for a year.
All this confirms is he drives a Honda Accord 🤓
This does not mean he was not fired. Most of the time this is not communicated, so he can find a good new job.
If there's still specialists I will not play it.
“Allowing me to listen to you WHILE I WAS ABLE”
That’s the most concerning part for me. It sounds like EA hasn’t learnt their lesson and is meddling in the game’s development and telling the devs what to do all over again.
When he say's "I want to thank the BF community for allowing me to listen WHILE I WAS ABLE" is a red flag to me.
This reads that he was listening to us and implementing our aspirations for the game while he was allowed and then it sounds like the direction was being overruled and pushed down another narrative by EA and it made it difficult for him, and after that he didn't agree with it and stepped away because it could be shaping up to be like BF2042. Actually wondering if EA has learnt anything from the past and are ploughing ahead with their Blinker's on?! I won't have any confidence in EA until I see info on what this new BF Title is actually all about. Marcus's departure from Ridgeline Studios will probably make more sense at that point if my assumptions are correct. Will be interesting to see if more start to follow after Marcus has left. Then we will know that our franchise is stuffed.
I think this guarantees us having another questionable battlefield title in 2025 but if they don’t completely collapse after that we will see a good bf game. Ps I hope I’m wrong and the next one is good
Well this didn't take long :D
Play helldivers, we need reinforcements
Maybe EA asked him to cut 10% of his staff as it's happening across all studios. Instead of firing the people in the picture he shared Marcus said I am firing my self. There's your 10%.
With Sony firing staff at their biggest studios it shows that none is safe and gaming industry is very hostile industry to be part of.
It sounds like he signed a "non-compete" quit... He has to wait for it to run out before he gets back into gaming (if at all)... This next *Battlefield* is starting to add up the RedFlags like *Battlefield 2042*
Man fwaking specialists are coming back.
It maybe has nothing to do with Ea/Dice or the franchise. Maybe he just needs a break or got annoyed by the industry in general. Its a bummer but it is only one man.
Calling it now. They'ved scrapped single player for a BR. they'll use what Macus has established as the Lore of the new games storyline for seasonal content.
They're going back to the orig plan they had for 2042, minus the specialist system. They've gotten past the tech issues they had when dev'ing 2042, and the current game is only exiting to expand those systems to pump out seasonal content like skins etc so they can ramp it up for the next game.
They still plan on delivering a solid multi, because they know they need that first to make sure peole will dip into the BR, because if it fails they'll need the multi to fall back on.
The biggest issue will be what support does multi get vs the BR if it takes off? This reek$ of EA greed
EA and Marcus Lethos are not on the same level!! Thats what i think!!
If such creativity is to be denied, yeah I think it was for the best to leave EA. This just means sayonara to Battlefield tbh, RIP for real.
EA stop fucking it up, you already lost more than half of the Battlefield Community, some of us are still here hoping for Battlefield to shine again.
No way… to me it felt like this guy was the only hope for the future of Battlefield. I imagine he left because he was brought there to turn the Battlefield franchise around, but wasn’t given enough power and creative freedom to do so. Next battlefield is going to be just as bad or worse than 2042 and even if it is polished then it will be soulless. I hope I’m wrong.
"... to see what, if anything, I want to do next."
It could be that he is hitting a personal roadblock in his life and has nothing to do with the game or EA too.
Let's not crucify anyone .. just yet :)
Already Switched to Arma, Battlefield is a Mess, can't believe EA Killed Battlefield... But that's the truth unfortunately.😢
Glad , Arma is much more immersing & actually teaches you somethings. Triple AAA titles cannot keep up with Independent titles.
Considering he has to leave game development entirely - this might easily be personal. Health or family issues can be devastating to your workflow and ambitions
I honestly really doubt that based on his second tweet
''I will be taking time away from games to see what, if anything, I want to do next.''
This comes across as ''fuck game development'' to me lol, not ''I want to continue but I can't''
@@GhostGamingg Ehhh? Really? For me, this sounds like he has no motivation to work at all. Which fits that something happenned outside of his job
Welp, Battlefield is fucked now 🫡🫠🙃
Most likely he left because Dice and EA suck and induced him to leave.
I'm not going to tell you how to run your channel of course, but I think videos like this only fan the flames and don't provide nearly as much value to the conversation as it does to bolster a bunch of what is essentially baseless speculation. A lot of people commenting here are making wild accusations with absolutely zero evidence to back up any of them. Sure, it could have been any number of things and we could sit here and spitball all day about it, but it also could have been that he was just feeling a need to take his professional life in a different direction; it doesn't have to be any deeper than that.
I know BF news has been slow for a few weeks, but I personally don't think this slight nugget of news warrants as much reaction as it has apparently gotten.
Marcus Probably wanted an old school gritty experience and EA wanted to stuff it with goofy social justice bs
10000% falling out over at EA
It's gonna be a disaster, things are already falling apart lol
The title says: "Here's Why Marcus Lehto Left Battlefield" and you basically end the video with the words: "we will never find out why Marcus left..." I was subscribed until today and actually enjoyed your videos. Sad, but my personal policy is to not sub to channels with click bait titles. Will still watch some videos from time to time though if they are suggested to me.
Honestly not really concerned with the narrative experience.
Ea really turns everything they touch to shit
50k m8
Whoever does the animations needs to get rid of the gun bouncing up and down while your soldier running its immersion breaking and has never been in Battlefield that’s more of a cod thing . Battlefield has a smooth left to right sway like a soldier running in sync . BF2042 has a jittery up and down bounce and I hate it
Maybe he was just too bossy
I don't get excited about BF campaigns.
Lehto's vision could have just as easily been taking the campaign into a horrible direction. Just because he worked on Halo doesn't immediately means the campaign was going to be good under his direction. Plus he's only one guy. Four devs from the L4D2 team and others made Back 4 Blood and it was COMPLETE TRASH!
It simply means the next Battlefield will be the same old story for us.. bad at launch for many reasons.. after a year and many patches will be decent ( or hopefully good )
If u are a football fans EA = pretty much Manchester United 😂 good manager or good leader will leave, EA will be EA, same old same old same old story.
Nah, he was there for the campaign, story telling, part of the game.
Huge congrats on 50k mate!
I have next to no faith next game will be good. But like many, I am truly hoping it will be okay, that it will be better, playable, excellent. Anything but this trash the company is pushing with 2042. And lets be honest. There's good stuff in it, but it's horrible in comparison to any other BF game. Any other AAA or really even AA game.
Lehto and other people leaving might really be RIP for the franchise. Or it might not mean anything. But most likely, and we might not find out for years, it is a bad thing.
To me it sounds like he is sick, and working on games is the last thing on his mind.
Next battlefield game mmmmmmm now seems like not going to be good . dont buy the preorder game just hold back
EA - voted worst company in USA - why do think he left ???
“Creative freedom” is a very wrong according to EA’s constitution.
We will never really see the full fruits of his labour. Maybe he was working on a cool campaign, but him leaving isn't that big of a deal. I don't play BF for campaigns and BF has been great in the past without him. I just want them to get their shit together on the MP side. EA needs to stop pushing woke agendas and stop designing their games around predatory monetization. Just focus on making a quality game.
Who cares about singleplayer in a bf game. Wasted Ressources
So when you say " Here's why Marcus Lehto left"....it's just a straight up BS clickbait title. Right. 😐
Leaving before the game is even out. Yeah the game is a dud.
EA 💩
Not.looking.good.....
Or maybe his vision was more work BS that we got in BFV. The way I see this is he was doing something controversial and experimental that was putting the franchise at risk. I would bet he was offered the chance to leave before being removed!
“Anything I don’t like is WOKE” -A Book for Basic DkHeads
You don't even know what was planned kid, shut up
@@drinsanity13 or ask me what I mean. Are you not capable of having a civil conversation of the issues plaguing video games today? Issues like unwanted roll changes, political intervention, lies of work effort to squander money, the over spending on things like EMPLOYEE LUNCH OUTINGS! Or maybe the overwhelming amount of steps it takes to implement change during the development because of people’s fear of words and people’s frail emotions. I have heard stories of developers ignoring tasks because their work will go unused. There are plenty of top tier developers that have left gaming due to the new staff out of school. They are not talented, they are not passionate, and they are more worried about making statements than video games! Things need to change and comments like yours are fueling the issues. Be part of the solution not the cause!
@@8ending8ranches No thanks. There are legitimate criticisms to be made for Battlefield games. Your whiny incel BS is not one of them.
@@drinsanity13 the word woke is better described as narcissist in 2024 because in the end that’s the real issue!
BATTLEFIELD 2042 IS TRASH!!!!
To me it sounds like he spoke up to EA and said listen we need to go back and get rid of specialist and make a game the fans asked for. EA said that not for you to say we need $$$ and we will not go back on what we started. Like always EA stops the dev from actually making the game they want and they are forced to make the game EA wants. Now he seems he like the gaming world has gone to shit by these big time companies mico managing every step of the way. If you can't hold a good dev to help in your game and needing multiple studios to make it. I have little Faith in the Franchise. It was the same with original dice when EA bought them out and then took over everything and all those dev has left the company and it shows over the years of battlefield just falling short. There is not a EA game that is made that is worth unless anything u enjoy apex. EA games quality has been lacking over years