BATTLEFIELD 2042: Lis vs Crawford - Who's the Best Engineer? Season 6 Gameplay
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 มิ.ย. 2024
- Engineers in Battlefield 2042 (bf2042) are often the only thing between your team and a Round of being farmed by Nightbirds, Attack Helicopters, Jets with Hydrapods and a lovely range of ground vehicles looking to kill you. They're also the ones who repair your vehicles & tip armoured fights in your favour. Many say that Lis is the undisputed Engineer Meta pick, but Crawford -- whilst needing a bit more work to get there, is actually very capable and in some situations can actually exceed Lis. He can use a range of Launchers (M5, RPG and Javelin), The Vulcan minigun turret and excels at taking out low flying aircraft. His rapid shots are excellent in fast paced gameplay.
If you've never given the Engineer class a try, I hope this little guide / review can help you choose which you'd like to play. Equally if you've only ever run with one or the other, try a change -- it's still Engineer fun, but with different, varied gameplay.
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00:00 Intro
04:07 PART I: Hard Fact 1: AT Mines & C5
05:16 PART I: Hard Fact 2: Spawn Campers
06:18 PART I: Hard Fact 3: Ammo Issues & Minigun
08:20 PART I: Hard Fact 4: Crawford's Launchers
10:52 PART I: Hard Fact 5: SOFLAMs
11:42 PART I: Hard Fact 6: Lis' Spotting & Sniping
12:29 PART I Conclusion
12:54 PART II: Ground Gameplay
13:16 PART II: Lis' Over the Top Shots
14:16 PART II: Lis' Long Range Shots
15:01 PART II: Crawford Quick Shots
16:39 PART II: Crawford Long Shots
18:03 PART II: Crawford Hide and Peek Shots
19:00 PART II: Crawford Parachute & Pond Hawk Shots
20:50 PART II Conclusion
20:59 PART III: Anti-Air Gameplay
22:39 Final Scores & Outro - เกม
Great summary, really useful! Crawford looks a lot of fun I should look into him. When Dice says they want to make Lis more Ground Focused what they actually mean is “make her less air focused to keep pilots happy & let them farm us”. If they nerf her AA we’re doomed!
Thanks man! Yeah I know what you mean I just didn’t want to say it 😅
They will nerf her. Battlefield has always catered to helos.
I think so too. Regrettable if they do.@@frenchonion4595
Better AA than a Wildcat 😂
Great video, really nice breakdown & loved the gameplay. Thanks!
Another advantage Crawford has over Boris or Lis is his new Passive Ability, he can have one extra missile in his Inventory, I know Lissiles can recharge over time, but being able to have 4 RPG missiles or 5 M5 Recoilless missiles is just crazy, so just because of the Missile carrying Capacity, Crawford takes 1st Place IMO, Lis is a very close 2nd because a lot of times when I shoot her Lissiles, I'm pretty sure the shot is gonna hit and the "static screen" shows up but then suddenly I miss, it's so frustrating 😂
It's a fair point! Crawford is a Beast & if you can find the extra ammo, he goes to a whole new level.
It’s hard to pick between the two, in all honesty. I think that Lis feels more suited to the “lone wolf hero” play style whereas Crawford benefits a lot with a squad that knows what they’re doing. Feels like he relies more on having friendlies nearby with heals and resupplies while Lis can be a sneaky snake and move around the map at a bit more leisure.
Conclusions:
-Pick for your play style and what your squad/team needs
-Crawford’s tickle turret needs a buff, I’d like to see damage to ground vehicles added
-Make Boris Great Again
Great video and explanations for why each has their perks and drawbacks. I really enjoy this style of video
That’s a good point I hadn’t thought of it that way. Lis does have the ability to go solo while Crawford runs better in the pack. Listen though I need to show you something I’ve not put on YT, early days but I’ve found a… abuse??… of an in game mechanic. I need the Knul squad to test it!!
Yeeeeeeee bosh! Bring on the silliness, the boys will love it ;)
Sounds like fun. Can't believe I didn't put 2 n 2 together watching your stuff and chatting to you in discord😅
@timelessgamer4359 Tell me more! I love shenanigans 👀
Don't worry about it! I have a bit of a rule when in someone else's discord not to talk about my channel. Even with the best intentions it comes off as a little 'self promoting' so I keep quiet!@@aesemon5392
Lis is my main but i think Crawford wins the +1 rocket is very useful.
It’s damn useful in a tank fight that’s for sure. If Lis can get in you’ve got a shot with the AT Mine / C5 but Crawford can really fight. He’s great fun
I run Boris, and that dude needs some love. I like that Crawford gets four rockets right out of the gate, though.
I’m happy to be educated I just don’t get him - some people have left helpful play tips, I’ll give it a try.
The sentry gun is legitimately completely useless. It needs at least the health of Crawford’s minigun to be viable.
@lowellthoerner1209 I agree, I use the turret to spot the direction I'm not looking for while capping a base. I've just put so much time into him that I'm going to ace him.
6:17 love that they came back over your mines.
Classic AT mine fun - happens a lot with me 😅
Excellent video - I completely agree that dice's idea of making Lis ground focused is completely absurd, and I think the whole community's and dice's take on engineer's current status is a bit myopic, there's this weird undercurrent where a surprisingly large amount of players are vocal about how lis and crawford are somehow underpowered
I think the only pressing matter is the total uselessness of Boris, and as a nightbird player (ie sweat xD) I'm always dumbfounded at the amount of boris stinger players I see, which is a tragic noob trap combination that actually severely undermines these players ability to succeed and I assume just leaves them frustrated
Boris needs some drastic redesign to his perk and gadget as they currently are of little use and are actually counterproductive - so many times when I'm in a vehicle I'm tipped off to a Boris' location because his turret hits me for a measly 3 damage and I proceed to take him and his turret out
I would also not be against an anti-vehicle buff to Crawford's minigun, so that it becomes a real AA danger for pilots, as currently the minigun seems like a superfluous gadget with rare utility.
I can't find anything here to disagree with -- what I'm really worried about is Dice doesn't want to make Lis more ground focused, they want to make her less air focused. I'm worried for you Nightbird Pros and here's why:
1) most players can't hit you with an RPG / M5 (facts -- it takes practice and not everyone is up for it, no problem).
2) Lis players won't be there to stop you / get a few kills to stop pilots getting too OP
3) you'll wake up a few weeks after such a change to find EVERYONE is now carrying a Stinger. You won't even be able to breathe with all the lock ons you'll be facing. That's no fun for anybody.
I give NBs a hard time because they're fun to fight against, especially when the pilot is good & playing clean (sorry aimbot NBs are a BIG problem in Asia, kind of killing it a bit). I think it's a good balance right now -- really hope Dice doesn't blow this whole issue wide open again...
Crawford's minigun is loaded with AP rounds so you can lay into ground armor. It's pretty effective if a tank is low on health with aps up. Also don't discount it's ability to hold against infantry pushes through choke points. It's a really handy specialist gadget.
Thanks for the tip - I must be ha of some bad luck here as I’ve been firing the minigun into tanks with no success. I’ll keep trying as I love Crawford, he’s great to the a break from Lis with.
It's not a useless gadget by any stretch, just not very good against air targets and it paints a massive target on you without offering much protection. If you're in a spot where people don't have much time to react to you or if a vehicle is pretty low health it can be clutch
@@damienmcdonald7610Honestly I get the most use out of it in front of choke points or basically anywhere on redacted. Most enemies don't have time to aim well enough to kill you if you place it well, you just gotta watch out for grenades and flanks.
Fantastic work as always man :) I'm glad you found the hang of the RPG and have learned the ways of Crawford! He's probably my favorite Engineer, just because of the RPG. Lis is still amazing and as you said, you should always bust her out to deal with the Nightbird sweats.
I really liked this format. I wonder what star rating you would give Boris? I would give him a wet sock out of 5.
Thanks as ever man, really appreciate all the support. Boris getting a wet sock is about right, but reading some of the comments here some people swear by him. I’ll look into it in good faith & try, but as it stands I think he needs to be completely, utterly re-worked. Lose the turret, aside from the odd lucky moment it’s really poor & no fun as it’s automated. Rethink him!
I do like this format. There’s a few places where I can think of it might be fun for vehicles & other specialists. I’ve also had another idea we should try out sometime. Working with some others on it as we speak but a bit of Dan magic could do wonders.
@@timelessgamer_UK Oh yes, move the turret to that "drone" subcategory of stuff you can call in, maybe? Feels like DICE started something, and then didn't follow through on it.
OR MAYBE do something like BF2142 where the squad leader gets to choose/use an extra gadget (respawn beacon, turret, drone w armament/radar, depending on how many squad members you have, if I remember correctly - it's been a while).
It would also mean playing as squad leader becomes more attractive, and once that happens, squad play in itself becomes more attractive. (Maybe I'm naive ...)
And maybe BORIS could be the one who gets to have extra armor plates, so he can run up to enemy tanks and dismantle them with his blow torch?
I kinda like current Boris. What I lack in less explosives, I can counterbalance with good turret placement. It's very annoying and can deal enough cheap damage while the crew is focused on you or other people. 1-2 turret attacks + 2 well-placed rpgs and an AT grenade is usually enough damage to take out a tank. Turret is kinda bad against air vehicles and I strongly believe Dice should make the turret more effective against helis. Because Crowford's Vulcan is a portable AA gun, while Boris' turret just never deals any damage if helicopter is even slightly moving in any direction
I don’t understand Boris I’d love to be educated on it if you know of anything good to watch. In game, his turrets always feel so easily defeated. If they had more armour & couldn’t be so easily downed (like a Ranger) they might be more intimidating, even if they had armour piercing rounds that could be something. Having one less rocket is painful for me too. Crawford’s minigun is pretty weak against aircraft but it can annoy them. I don’t know - if I owe Boris an apology I shall but for the moment? I’d need to really spend some time with him to figure out what’s what. The AT grenade is expensive too, as it take away Smoke…
@@timelessgamer_UK No, you don't owe him an apology. With your scoring system, Boris will probably be 3-3-2. 3 for toolkit, because it's similar to Crawford, but less rockets and turret in general is more universal (you don't have to man it too, just place near yourself or in some annoying position). 3 for anti-ground because taking out ground vehicles requires some luck and strong setup, which in theory can deal more damage more quickly, but it's never guaranteed. 2 for anti-air because turret is ass against fast moving targets and you have less shots for zooks. I do think he is the weakest among the engineers.
But I still like the gameloop. It makes you improvise on the spot.
After the buff his turret is kinda armor-piercing. It can still hit infantry, but it tracks vehicles further, it is far more suited for anti-vehicle role and currently standing near it has actual benefits unlike before. It now also spots a lot quicker.
You take AT-grenade, because you just need that extra damage. It's part of the reason why Boris feels less useful, but you are only have an option between EMP and AT. You lose your ability to solo vehicles if you take anything else.
There are no guides to new Boris, because he plays differently after all the changes he received. And he is not good, so nobody does guides.
You have to place your turrets near obstacles and near easy flanking routes for your eventual escape. You buff it while being near as long as vehicles doesn't focus on you, while targeting weak sides with launcher. After that your options heavily depend on the reaction of the crew or your teammates. You can continue being an annoyance, you can change positions very quickly, you can close the distance or wait for vehicle to close distance with you, you can split vehicle's attention by leaving your turret while finding a new position to yourself.
But when the everything is just right your most reliable setup is Place Turret->First RPG shot->AT-grenade->Reload behind cover->Second RPG shot. On paper that's the quickest way to deal 100 damage to any armor without using mines or c5
Thanks for the detailed info I’ll give this a try - I enjoy moving through what the game has to offer, and Boris should be tried out. I’ll try to pull off your playbook.
@@timelessgamer_UK Good luck! I played Lis and new Crawford far less to feel like I am in disadvantage with Boris, so for you it might be harder to get used to him. But I still believe he provides a unique way of playing. He just needs a bit more buffs to at least match the other two engineers
Until the Crawford buff Boris was my go to if I didn't want to use lis tgms but I've never got much use out of his turret and I still don't. By comparison I've played as Crawford about the same amount of time as Boris maybe a little less and probably deployed his turret less than Boris's but I'm t1 with Crawford and honestly I don't think I've even reached mastery 10 with Boris lol
Your RPG shots are on point!
At 14:10 when talking about weak spots, this is where you having damage numbers would help.
One drawback of the lissile is that it does the same damage no matter what. This is good and bad, but it means there are no “weak” points on vehicles. For most of the heavier armour I think she does 27 damage? The RPG and M5 can aim at the rear of tanks and others to do high damage which might be enough to finish them off where Lis couldn’t from range.
I still think Lis is overall better, but sometimes you need a dumb fire rocket and that’s where Crawford is.
Or you can use Boris and just handicap yourself. I guess the turret is good for spotting?
I never knew that about Lissiles being constant damage regardless of where they hit - I’ll be sure to update that, thanks for the info. I think we spoke about the damage numbers before, I know they help but I just don’t like seeing them flash up. I don’t have any better reason than that.
Lis is the best for me, Crawford really only comes through in ground vehicle fights where you can’t get close enough to C5 / AT Mine & you need to land quick dumb fire shots. I will say though I find Crawford more fun / satisfying, but perhaps that’s the novelty of a new Specialist
@@timelessgamer_UK they are quite customisable in where you can position the damage numbers. I don’t like having them right there on my crosshair like either.
And like you said, it’s that ground fight where Crawford shines. There’s been loads of Lis moments where I thought “man an RPG would be useful here”.
But usually my Crawford gameplay is just “why can’t I find any resupply for my rockets!”
One day I’ll have a real full squad - I’ll even play Angel so we can reload!!
I’m a big lis fan, but after this video I’ll have to try Crawford. Thank you very much your videos are great and informative.
Thanks for the support - please do try Crawford, he’s a huge amount of fun and a really good twist on Engineer play if you’ve been a Lis main (as I am). Fun to do new things
Another banger of a video. Thanks for the entertaining and informative content!
Thanks for the support - hope this one does well, took me a long time to get my eye in for the air kills 😜
Good Stuff there Timeless! I do like Mr. Vulcan at the Moment. Lis is great and all, but now that we have a rocket more, i choose this smart looking fella. The rpg is also my weapon of choice atm but i wish the drop off wouldn't be that big. The M5 was pretty damn good before they nerved the speed of it. Nonetheless it's always satisfying to take out helicopters and jets with the rpg. Classic Battlefield moments. And yes, imagine a full squad of lis players, with 4 rockets flying towards 1 enemy tank at the same time. Would love to have some fun with that some day. Good Video Mate, and nice shots!
Thanks!! My shots are Vanilla but they hit 😅
I’d love to set up a Lis Artillery squad of you’re up for it, lag doesn’t really matter. I reckon we could evaporate wildcats & TORs. MBT may take a second round. Would be hilarious 😅
Good review! I have been running with Crawford lately
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. Same I’m really coming around to Crawford gameplay, it’s a lot a fun & a good variation on Engineer gameplay
Solid Video Mate, The mines are good fun.
Thx mate, hope to catch your show soon. It’s been a busy few weeks took forever to even get this vid out. Saw you’re playing Tarkov, that looks stressful 😅
Excellent video, dude! Not only do you provide well researched points, but you did an amazing job at providing clips to illustrate each point!
Tremendous effort, TG! Well edited! 🤘
High praise from one such as yourself - huge fan of your channel & editing. If you ever step into BF2042 or The Finals, come find me
@@timelessgamer_UK do you happen to be on Discord? Or even Twitter?
Yessir I do - I’m out & about at the moment but I’ll ping it across when I’m back.
I love the fairness in your judgement and showing both classes positives and negatives. Good job 👍I will consider these valuable info in my next stream of bf2042
Thanks I really appreciate the feedback, I liked this vid’s concept. How’s the streaming going? Link to your channel?
@@timelessgamer_UK this game is quite different than bf1 what i am used to. its quite a struggle but im trying to learn everything from weapons loadout to movements tricks to tactics i think it will be a long journey, this is my channel you are more than welcome to watch or e can play together but let me warn you you will carry me a lot lol (www.youtube.com/@General_saa/streams)
With some of those Crawford enounters where the armor is left with a sliver of health, you're missing out on finishing it off quicker by popping up your turret and tickling the last 2 or 3 HP away. Very satisfying to get the finishing blow with a tickle turret. :)
Oh! Also! It'll do damage through APS so there's that! ;)
I’ve never once managed to do it!!
@@timelessgamer_UK I've gotten just a few. It's a sweet sweet kill from someone who thought APS was gonna let them slip away by the skin of their teeth.
When they say “more ground focused”, that doesn’t mean an AT buff- it means an AA nerf. Which bums me out.
Yeah I suspect that’s exactly what they mean. Pilots complaining they’re getting killed because God forbid we actually fight back against the people farming us. I think Season 7 will be bad news for Lis but let’s see.
I agree Boris needs more, his turret is junk and honestly crawfords turret is clutch in games.
Crawford I would say is not as strong as Lis. He has 1 extra RPG but with how few players drop ammo, once your out that's it. Lis slowly gains her rockets back and it gives you much more longevity. Plus the land mines she can utilize.
With that said I typically play Crawford as I find tanks are more an issue in conquest then air. Air being where Lis excells with her TV missiles. If soflam was used more then Crawford would be king it's just not sadly.
Yeah I mean Lis is stronger there’s no doubt, but Crawford in close, fast paced fights is slightly better I think against ground vehicles (until you run out of ammo). Lis can get a slam dunk sure if she gets close but if it’s at a little bit of range,Crawford is good.
Boris needs to go completely back to the drawing board. Rethink him and make a unique proposition. Maybe not a gadget which the player doesn’t even use… the minigun ia fun because I’m doing something!
Love your videos!
But u should try lowering your infantry sensitivity, many times you over shoot your target or miss micro adjustments.
And why does your game look so good?
Thanks very much, really appreciate the support! Yeah my gunplay could use some work for sure, I’ll try out your advice but hey, at least you know I’m not using an aimbot 😅
I play on PC with a reasonably good setup. I’ve got a a Ryzen 9 5950x processor & RTX 3090 Strix GPU. 4K ultra widescreen monitor and we’ve got ourselves a pretty sweet looking game!
The situation is a bit different when discussing console play. Controlling the Lissile is decidedly harder than on PC, so the balance shifts quite a bit.
Lis's big advantage then becomes being able to lug around 2 sets of major anti-vehicle weaponry, The +1 missile Crawford has sort of compensates Lis's regenerating rockets, and I think both Crawford's Vulcan, and Boris's turret are pretty weak. Suddenly Boris isn't as shitty (even though I agree he's weak).
I would say the issue when it comes to anti-vehicle play in BF2042, is that C5 is simply the fastest and strongest kit against ground vehicles, and when you combine that with MacKay's, and Sundance's mobility, I think we know why we don't hear the phrase "jeep stuff" any more. Those non-engineer players have a more efficient way to deliver the pain these days.
I would like for both those specialists to get a serious mobility nerf, and to have fewer packets of C5. As it is, you, ALONE, are almost guaranteed to blow up anything if you manage to get C5 on it, but 3 missiles quite often won't be enough to take out any of the tougher ground vehicles.
To me that means the avowed vehicle specialists are surpassed by the supposed infantry specialists, and those infantry focused specialists also have access to extra primary ammo, as well as their own private medical syringes, making them less reliant on team play. And hey, they can choose to wear that extra armor, as well!
There are balance issues here ... especially if one considers that Battlefield games are supposed to have a cooperative, squad play focus ...
All very valid insight. Sundance particularly is terrifying in the hands of a skilled player. C5 is monstrously strong and I have seen increasing calls for it to be removed or at the very least nerfed so you can’t solo armour. Mackay I find to be quite beatable, especially if you’re in the CAV. I’ve never played Sundance but I am aware they took away most of her specialist grenades. She’s now basically a flying C5 delivery service. Assault Specialists really only cause me trouble when it’s a close quarters fight for an objective & I don’t spot them in all the chaos (can’t look 360 degrees all the time).
I do absolutely agree with the principle you mention - taking down armour should be a squad / team based effort, not lone wolf - unless that lone wolf is an Engineer armed to the teeth who arrived at the right time when there was a weakness. Thanks for the insight!
Change all vehicles settings to BF1 lis easier to control on consoles
@@JasmineAnita.Thanks, I've seen this tip before. Unfortunately, that also means that you DO change ALL vehicle settings, which isn't exactly optimal when the issue only concerns one control aspect for one specialist.
Lis is the best
Nice rpg shots!
Thanks! Doesn’t hurt to use the RPG from time to time.
Btw I’ve had an amazing idea to deal with our mutual friends. If you see me online / run into them give me a shout. Your Lis skills would be brilliant for this…
@@timelessgamer_UK I quit bf 2042 may come back when season 7 drops.
and the mutual friends u mentioned They r absolute jokes
You haven’t quit - you’re too good and our mutual friends are too much fun to take out. You’ll be back and when you do, come find me. We’ll destroy them. I’ve got a team, last night was very successful :)
Rewatched this now. Considering how much stronger Crawford and Boris have gotten with them being able to use 3 C5 packets, while the assault players don't have access to them - at least in relative terms ...
Crawford has become seriously strong vs Lis as he can now carry 4 RPGs / M5s out the door vs Lis’ 2 missiles, plus the AT Mines have been nerfed. That said, only Lis can carry a launcher and 3xC5 or AT Mines. Boris is still one missile less than Crawford though 3 makes him less weak. I don’t think it changed the Boris factor, but I do think there’s a strong case to say the power gap between Lis and Crawford closed somewhat. All said and done though, I still give it to Lis.
@@timelessgamer_UK One possible thing in Boris' favour, though: Tier 1ing is easier, I would say, unless you plonk down his gun in very specific places and game modes (ship corridors in Stranded Breakthrough, maaaybe?).
With Boris' turret, you mostly need to consider where it won't be shot to pieces from afar (or near), and still get enough traffic to get some shots off. And maybe find a place that is worth defending as a Boris player ... nah, it is not easy, either way.
And I don't have T1 for either Boris or Crawford, actually. Not even level 20, I think. The leveling mechanics are so far from what I would say are core activities for engineers, that I forget about using them. Most other "Specialists" (man ...) have leveling mechanics that make sense.
@@tap10lan I couldn't agree more, I don't have T1 Crawford either but I do with RPG and M5, what does that tell you!! His gadget has nothing to do with being an Engineer, it would be different if it could damage aircraft...
@@timelessgamer_UK Um. I thought DICE changed it, so Crawford's minigun (and a host of other, regular, weapons) CAN damage e.g. aircraft?
More on the level of plinking damage, but still? Also, I'm sure it's really annoying for pilots! I have the feeling I've done that sort of thing, especially in situations where I've run out of missiles/tank grenades, and I basically want to just show the pilot I think he's annoying. Probably not effective at all, but I get to respawn, and try to down the miscreant again. ;)
@@tap10lan Yeah I mean it does trace of a trace damage, about all it can do is disrupt repair. You see me using it in this vid, it's next to useless!! If it did real damage, real pressure -- that would be something. But then, who wants 20 wildcat turrets on a roof? Compromises!
Great comparison, thought most people just spam Boris turrets
Poor Boris - now Season 7 is done, he’ll never get the buffs he needed. Glad you enjoyed the vid.
Can't believe you didn't know about the Mine throwing...^^
Also one of my fav ways to approach a Game when I'm more BttG capping Flags (which is most cases) and theres plenty of Steel on the Ground (You can tell after 5 Minutes if its more Air-Aces or Ground Vehicle Enthusiasts on a Map)
I've noticed something about your Movement though...^^
You are very,VERY slow on the ground - I don't believe I've seen you use Traversal Sprint or Sprint in general much in those situations,which could elevate your Mine throwing knowledge even further..
So,you already throw mines with a certain Mouse motion,right?
Actually,you can yank it 6 to 12 even to get a little further,but you need to combine it with a certain Movement to go EVEN FURTHER - like sometimes 10 to 15 meters (!)
Dunno if its actually called that but I call it Crouch-Slide-Cancel
I am in traversal sprint with L-Shift constantly (except when ADS) and you prly know that when you run and then crouch fast enough,you slide
So,combine that with jumping at the end of the slide and THEN throw a mine (...)
Actually,I traverse the whole map like that crazy fast (you can combine with the endless jump mechanic too - where you jump and ,no wsad etc,and then ONLY hammer on space to keep on jumping...)
sidenote:you can also crouch-cancel jump ONTO ledges and immediately jump off again INTO crouch and do it all over again
Once you get it all down right with the momentum and timing,you can THEN throw a Mine up to 10-15 meters - or even 3-maybe 5 ish meters in the air
I've thrown Mines to low flying Nightbirds for example... they DON'T like that xD
I'm playing Boris as Eng exclusively btw - why no love for him and the turret :D ;)
And sorryx for the WoT,but I thought to let you know about that since you seem to enjoy the great Mineage
No worries about the wall of text I appreciate the input! Seriously I had no idea about throwing AT Mines, I never saw anyone do it in game or on YT. Once I realised the power, changed my life. Lis is insanely powerful once you get the jump throw Lissile tap down. I have been wondering how some people seem to be absolutely hurling them a mile across the screen, I need to practice!
OK now, Boris... I'm sorry but I give him a wet sock out of 5. The turret is just a joke! At best, at ABSOLUTE best, it can cause annoying chip damage to a vehicle and interrupt the repair process (cool down our auto repair). He's got one less rocket than Crawford which is a big deal and can't carry launcher / AT or C5 like Lis can. The turret is also automated, so there's no gameplay satisfaction in putting it down. Why would you run with this guy?! Make a vid, convince me!! I'll apologise to him if I'm wrong :D
@@timelessgamer_UKHahahaha,damn..I'm intrigued to do so in a weird way xD
Nah,realistically,you're right in every aspect...Lis alone is highly OP and shouldn't be in this Game (same goes for Sundance...) and is by far the best option for Engineer - Thats why I never played her :D
I just refuse to,even though it would favor me,my stupid "ethics" keep me from it - Also haven't played Sundance at all...
Hmm...Well,all I can say is that Turret truly helped me out differently on many occasions...
(I went though the excruciating pain and Tier 1'ed Boris - Which means 60k Damage with that Turret xD xD xD)
It's basically a spotting device while taking flags if you put it in the right places - re Infantry AND Vehicles nearby - once it targets,you see where it points to and can adjust/ambush...B2 Flag on Exodus for example,to cover that corridor (not the one towards B1 ;) )
It's also great to lure Vehicles into a trap whent hey rfocus on it shooting at them and expecting YOU to sit close by,while you were already hiding 50 meters off to circle around...good for the Mine play too - they'll shoot at the turret and often panic,creates that little maybe 2 second'ish window where their turret has to move off of it and onto you and when you know how to throw mines...^^
Also helps with those gunfights that end up you being dead and the enemy's HP being 4 or even 1 - that last turret bullet is very satisfying after you died to that ^^
overall you're very right though...If one wants to play the most effective engineer,Lis is way to go - Andrew Tate I would disagree - that one rocket can be aquired by Boris via Ammo Pack,and where the Minigun thing requires you to be on it,the Turret is an automated device - Two Barrels on an Enemy is better than one :D
Regardless,don't try to Tier 1 Boris - It's gnawing at your sanity xD
Been playing lis and honestly my biggest complaint is how the turning sensitivity is classed as a vehicle, so if I want to get the most dexterity out of my rockets I have to suffer driving smaller vehicles (for fun try driving the EOD with max vehicle sense)
I never knew that’s how it worked - I’ll give it a try!!
does lis TGM rockets actually have multipliers based on location? i seem to just do 20 damage everytime no matter where i hit with her rockets
You’re right - I was corrected after making this video. Lissiles do not have a directional damage bonus, my apologies!
@@timelessgamer_UKit's okay! io dont remember you mentioning it in this guide but is there anyway to change the sensitivity of the missles? btw thank you for this guide, ive already hit 3 jets and 2 little birds today thanks to it!@
You're most welcome, and if you like shooting down Nightbirds, you're going to love tomorrow's vid :D
I don't change my missile sensitivity, everything I do is default!@@minerva5194
Lis is the clear winner for me
Think she's better at ground play than Crawford?
@@timelessgamer_UK Having guided missles instead of a turret or an rpg is just much better imo (maybe i just suck at hitting aircrafts with the rpg/m5). Sorry for the late reply :D
Does Crawford has some rocket launcher perk we all don’t know about??
He carries +1 rocket for any launcher than Boris, and the RPG hits like a truck against ground vehicles. Any of them can one-shot any aircraft (unlike Lis who needs two to take down an Attack Heli). If you can get the sides, back or top / underside of a vehicle with an RPG - it won’t last long at all. He’s really REALLY powerful. I’ve come to respect him a lot.
@@timelessgamer_UK Thank you cause I never knew this! I need to read each specialists details a little closer now
I love Lis and she's my main but on a controller it is very difficult to hit a skilled pilot (it's probably easier with a mouse). Lately I've been choosing Crawford more and more often, minigun is trash against anything other than infantry but that +1 extra rocket allows you to fight 1v1 with a land vehicle regardless of the distance, whereas in the case of Lis this is not possible unless you are close enough.
Spot on - Lis can’t down a Beast on her own, she always requires help unless she’s in range for C5 (AT Mines being nerfed reduced her abilities a little). I know some extremely good Lis controller players, this doesn’t mean anything to me but they regularly tell others to “use BF1 configuration” to get much better control. I’m enjoying Crawford a lot more these days but if it’s war? Lis. She’s still the strongest by a mile in my opinion.
Liz is my #1 but after this video I might have to branch out.
Do so - he’s a lot of fun & it’s enjoyable to have a different engineer experience sometimes. Nothing to lose!
I have more kills with mines than with tv on Lis for some reason
And I love it
Crucial tool for defence
My heart will always belong to throwing AT Mines & traps.
New player. Anyone know why Lis suddenly over the last day or so keeps getting a black screen when firing her TVGM?
I’ve not used her in S7 but can you elaborate a little - is it permanent black screen or just a flash?
@@timelessgamer_UK it lasts about 2 seconds. I’m not dead and I have one rocket left. The second rocket may or may not do the same thing.
Sorry that’s something I’ve never seen before - with high latency you can get a longer black screen but it’s not on / off like you say. If I see any info I’ll let you know
Often times, especially in the solo game, when you fire her missile, instead of getting the missile control screen, you get a view of her feet or the ground instead. Apparently some kind of bug that's been around a long time, that was never fixed. If you want to practice using her missiles, use a portal server, rather than a solo/co-op game.
Is the RPG or M5 better?
If you’re after aircraft, the M5. If you’re mainly after ground vehicles, the RPG. Hits heavier.
I kind of wish rockets weren't as precise when not ADSing. It's fine you can pop off a rocket super quick, but you should be risking missing your target to be fair. Too many flick-the-wrist air kills for my tastes.
Completely hear what you’re saying, and if the Nightbird wasn’t in the game I would agree. It’s a little unfair on the slow moving Attack Helicopters & relatively harmless Stealths. However that said unless Dice does finally choose to tone down the Nightbirds? We need every tool we can get! I’m a victim of it too I love my flying, but we’d be shredded if the Nightbirds got even a bit more powerful…
I don't really like Crawford's gadget, i prefer to pick Boris and place a turret to annoy enemy team
Honestly the only time Boris’ turret annoyed me was when it hit my vehicles when I was trying to repair. Delays the regen and a worst, interrupts the repair cool down. I do find Crawford’s turret a little useless but it can be funny.
If I had a wish for Boris, it would be having the ability to clip the turret to a vehicle to give it an extra gun on auto. That would be pretty cool!
@@timelessgamer_UK I agree with you, it's a fun idea, sadly DICE wouldn't do anything like this... Well... At least current DICE
I play Crawford, mainly because I can't hit anything with Lis missile...lol....though I do wish Crawfords minigun detached from the mount, he could carry it like 'Old Painless' from Predator. The mount is useless with that headshot opening, the bullet spray is so massive that it takes a second to kill someone and more elite players can easily headshot you in that time.
Man I loved Blane from Predator - “I ain’t got time to bleed” 😅
Yeah I mean a mobile minigun would be about as boss as it gets, I just wish it actually did something against vehicles other than the most trivial of chip damage. Still, a minigun is better than a Boris turret!
I hate the silly little slot they have, why would you make a static weapon have such a glaringly obvious weak point?!
@@timelessgamer_UK Yeah, why would see through bulletproof glass need a opening like that anyway. There is pretty much no weapon I have not been headshot with, trying to use his minigun...lol. Do you know, do any of the engineers repair faster then others..? I thought I read somewhere that Crawford did but I don't notice anything.
That was true before Crawford was changed. He had a passive perk that a vehicle under 25% got rapid repairs. However, that made Nightbirds and Hinds / Condors near unkillable so they removed it and gave him an extra rocket instead.
You forgot to mention that Crawford is arguably the most handsome and Lis is the most beautiful making choosing one over the other a difficult proposition. However, when it comes to Battlefield drip, there is no debate who wins in the style dept. Crawford's cosmetics push his Battlefield fashion prowess into new territory when compared to some of Lis's offerings.
Damn you’re right… well you’re right about Crawford. Got to be honest I’m more into Paik than Lis… those Tier 1 trousers are nice on her 😂
I use Crawford when playing engineer since I´m going for T1 on shoulder missle. Never use his turrets beacuse standing still and being an easy target for a semi-good sniper....naaah...but Liz option to rocket down air and use C5/Mines to get them ground is maybe a better option :)
I’m exactly the same - the RPG needs to get to Tier 1 so it’s Crawford for now, but there’s just no doubting in my mind that if it’s a real fight / aircraft are annoying me, Lis is the best option.
@@timelessgamer_UK But as you said....them hits on the mosquitos in the air with the RPG....soooo fricking satisfying and you know how pissed they are, specially with a long shoot :)
Did you see my latest vid? Some crackers in the first opening minute 😅
Yeah nothing says “hi” like an RPG hit, it’s just a fact
@@timelessgamer_UK I have not, just algorithm that brought me here ;) Done a video also just with rockets in the face of drivers/pilots ;)
I’ll check it out when I’m back home
Just tier 1 boris took a lot of time
Poor Boris - I had hoped he’d get a Buff but looks like he’ll forever be the man with the silly turret
Marzipan dan recommned you. cheers.
He’s been a big support, especially in the early days of the channel. Thanks for giving mine a shot, hope you enjoy it. Cheers 🍻
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Hey man thanks for reaching out - sorry I didn’t reply right away I live in Singapore, it was midnight when we were chatting. I’ll check your page out on the way to work :)
Personally I think there should be weak points on armor
Like Hell Divers 2? I mean slightly less comical I’m sure but that sort of basic idea?
Lis absolutely sucks out of NA servers were people actualy know how to fly a heli lmao
All these kills were Asia / Oceania - you’re right we have the best pilots, but us Engineers also had to evolve 😈
Boris; is Worth to take this Crown🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣
Boris will never wear the Crown 😂
Team Crawford for me 🙌🙌
Crawford is serious but if there's money on the table? Lis...
BORIS. 💀
Boris does his best, bless him 👀
@@timelessgamer_UK we love boris ❤️
is it just me but does Crawford look like an Andrew Tate that just been in the sun for too long? lol
Crawford’s beard is far mightier 😅
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There it is - now I know I’ve done well 😃