Finally somebody is pushing back. These 80’s and 90’s players are telling “we walked 4 mikes in the snow to school” fairy tales every day on TNT, ESPN, and FS1. Players have to step up and start checking them on the facts.
@@caprice3509Shaq can't guard on the perimeter... so he wouldn't be on the floor long ....we don't need 50 elbows for 30 slow points with 10 missed free throws
I'm a 80's/90's kid. And that F'D up defense was really in the 80's. My brother and I HAAAATED DETROIT. We used to say that ain't defense, that's jail ball.
But don’t just go at the Pistons, it was the whole 80s. Celtics, 76ers, Lakers. They all played jail ball and were actually punching each other 😂. The 90s was the changing of the guard we see today where the rules were made to finally stop defenses from playing jail ball and close lining people. People forget that Jordan played in that closelining defense only at the beginning of his career. So when they show the highlights of him getting knocked out the air by piston players, that was in the 80s before he started winning. He complained to the league (as he should have) and the rules started changing and stopped allowing defenders to be such a skilless thing. The 90s is when defenders had to start adapting and using skills like predicting what direction an offensive player was driving and create offensive fouls or flopping. It trips me out people act like flopping is something that just recently got created. The great defenders who started it did it all the time like Scottie and Dennis Rodman. It’s a skill
Gil needs to research the NBA rule changes before speaking. The NBA purposely changed the league rules to create higher scoring and made it a more perimeter friendly game.
@@rmtjr237 ya everyone act like Gil speaking some next level shit . Truth is you can barely touch the players without it being a foul and I’m tired of teams shooting 40 threes a game .
Everything he said is nonsense. Lol. This TH-camr destroys all the bull that Gilbert and Lou said in this video th-cam.com/video/kwRXJOOHPLc/w-d-xo.html
@@scoringmachine4694 honestly in the 90s I wouldn't have be surprised if someone got stabbed going for a layups lol I don't understand why people act like it was the best when it really wasn't
@@thegawdtheynotlikeus Bro that's just the 80s that was tough like that don't believe the hype 90s were soft as baby shit mj got every call. Only "bad boy" team at the time was the knicks
I was still very young when Gilbert Arenas played, I was like 12. I remember the GA hype, but too young to appreciate. Man this guy is hilarious and relatable off the court too. I remember getting an Agent 0 poster in a sports illustrated and had it hanging up in my locker in school lol
Gil played during that transition from 90s iso/post-up heavy basketball, to the pick and roll heavy but not yet raining 3s offense of the 2010s. So I think he's got a good perspective since he played when the NBA was just starting to evolve into what it is now.
Gilbert did nothing in the NBA but pull a gun out on his teammate! He aint won nothing! He was an slightly above average player! That's it! He need to shut his mouth!
@@hiphopsmaddness It's time to cancel Gilbert too! He's a clown who did nothing in the league! The boy had no heart Lebron Tapped his chest and this emotional nut bag miss two free throws!
I’m assuming you’re old asf and you’re using his mistake to discredit all the CORRECT things he’s saying💀 nobody wants to hear 90yr olds talk bruh. They had their time and fame so now they need to stfu and enjoy retirement
When agent 00 mentioned Barkley and that rule I said THANK YOUUUUUU. Every time I hear him say “dribble dribble dribble dribble” I think bruh that was YOU. And that’s why a rule was written 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Bruhh frfr!! And when they talk about super teams and players wanting to play with one another shits annoying cause Charles seems to forget he was in the rockets
Charles Barkley: “you don’t want the dribbler” “dribble dribble dribble” lmaoo 6:15 meanwhile there’s a whole rule in the book saying you can’t dribble for too long bc of Chuck 😂😂
More ratings now than then, it’s a worldwide sport and it’s still growing especially in Europe and even Canada where it’s hockey dominated. I see a ton of jerseys/merch everywhere I go. Explains why it’s the 2nd most popular sport worldwide behind soccer. You “think” viewers are going down but it’s not
Let’s totally not factor in the amount of subscriptions you have to pay for in order to watch games… let’s not factor in that the NFL is by far the more popular sport, let’s not factor in anything else when talking about the decline in viewership…. It’s crazy that people as stupid as you exist in this world
That means literally nothing lol. Nba was on one channel and showed 2 games a week. With illegal streaming and games on every local channel the ratings will go down. Internationally its wayyyyyyy more popular now
I don’t think people are talking about securing position with flopping. People are talking about falling over when shooting 3s not having been touched, offensive player falling over when the defensive player swipes for the ball, etc. The rules are now in favor of not allowing the defensive player to dictate where the offensive player is going. C’mon
They got that from the 90s boss Reggie did it mike got bs calls and pushing people out the air when they can’t guard them isn’t talent or good defense it’s trash tbh and skill less everybody ain’t like that but a lot of em was
@4:26 facts😂 the game evolves so comparing different eras as better or worse isn’t fair to the players. If MJ played today, he’d shoot the 3🤷🏾♂️ if Lebron [grew up] in ‘75 his skill set would be different based on how they played back then. The same goes for all players, you can’t just “drop” a player from one era into another era. The game always evolves…
It is a thought experiment to 'drop' a player in. For one it compares skill sets, the skill which steph, lebron, kyrie etc display is far superior to what you see in 75 which is the point of saying the skill set is higher today.
@@justinlevy274 man, I agree 95%. But it's getting to the point where it might be hard for these players to adapt to that old style. Refs have evolved....rulings have evolved. Allen Iverson's crossover was sometimes called a travel, with certain refs. We drop Kyrie in the 70s... We take away all that fancy dribbling, that will get called traveling, carry, or palming. We take away the euro steps, the 0 step, the crab dribble, the step back.... It'd be interesting. I still think they dominate, but for a game or two I'd be hilarious to watch them try to adapt.
Old heads beg for respect by not showing respect to the new generation. Shit is so annoying listening to 60 year olds saying “these guys couldn’t last in my day” like 6’9 250 would struggle 😂
@@ktv9035 thats cuz ppl only remember the few top guys in that era. Actually try to find a full game vid of a team without those guys and its brutal to watch. Shit spacing and lots of missed shots
Although this is the most talent the league has ever had , I feel like the best basketball was played in the early 2000 to mid 2000s but that’s just my opinion .
@@Put_U_Smooth true,league now got more talent for sure but lacks rivalries and rules ruining it more and more with soft calls and bad shooters keep shooting three's
:56 THANK YOU GIL!! I’ve been taken out over the past few years with all this whining about smaller players who are already at a disadvantage against players with more length, strength, size and power. Their only real advantages are their handles, quickness and intelligence. It’s basic basketball and the proper way to draw a foul. BEAT YOUR OPPONENT AND MAKE HIM FOUL YOU. That player either needs to keep up, switch off or fall back.
What evolved? Your evolution is run down take stupid shots Remove most skill needed and replace with volume stupid shoots Can bigs like AD Embid and such do more then say Hakeem? Sure but show me 1 big today who can dominate the game like Hakeem or Shaq This is where low iq hangs fans with dumb answers like they can play zone now....... Name 1 college player then who aint face any defense ran today in college I got all week u wont find 1 so thats moot If the game "evolved" got "better" Why has ratings kept declining and set all time lows last year During a pandemic where we were so deaperate for ANYTHING NEW Lmao last dance did more numbers then ANY current game easy Sorry junior to protect a weak af queen james NBA ripped big men out of the game and lessened the skill of the game Btw history shows whats better Inside out undefeated vs jumpshoting teams unless Jordan was the other team his 1st 3 peat 2nd he was the post player
@@lukelucky1311 the game has evolved immensely since the 90’s, 1. Shooters are on another planet today and that’s including big men who rarely shot from the perimeter in the 90’s. 2. Teams play more team oriented style of ball than in the 90’s where dominant post players dominated the bulk of scoring. 3. Point guards aren’t just pass first guys anymore, it’s crucial that your pg can pick & roll and be a threat to score. 4. Defense isn’t just one on one until your man gets beat and hopefully your center can make up for it anymore, teams now have schemes and zone coverages depending on the matchup (illegal defense made it impossible back in the day) 5. The game has grown exponentially across the globe, producing better players all over the world. The international pool of players is slowly matching and surpassing homegrown talent
I’m a old head who likes to adjust and adapt to the times ! There’s great things in this generation that I like and there’s some things that I don’t but that where I am at when it comes to basketball !
Smokey Yunick is a RACING LEGEND, this man said “If it doesn’t say I can’t do it in the rule book, I can do whatever”. Meaning manipulate the rule book to your advantage and find your loopholes if need be. People praised Smokey but shame LeBron n James Harden. FOH
@@GuideToModernFootball they think bigger, stronger, faster is a skills and it’s not...skills are shit that can be taught... guys on the perimeter are averaging 25 a night and can’t hit water in a boat...more athletic yes but nore skilled no
The league has gone small and faster, not bigger and stronger. And it's not about generation either, it's about how the game is played today and what personnel suits it best. I love Gil but rn he's just trying to rope in kids with these hottakes
The man said Dennis Rodman is a little guy in today’s game like he ain’t never gaurd shaq, Tim Duncan, Hakeem etc, all in their prime I might add. Arenas is tripping calling his name.
Gilbert needs to remember the episode of Knuckleheads where he admitted that little Gary Payton posted him up and killed him. And then when they switched the big guy onto Payton, he posted up their big guy too. It doesn’t matter how big you are if the other person is that good at posting up. Posting up is a lost art form for point guards nowadays. No more Gary Payton’s or Mark Jackson’s who can do it that well. So yeah, there was a reason why Gilbert should be afraid of these little guys. He’s acting like size and athleticism is the be all end all. Payton and John Stockton would still school the player’s of today.
Dennis Roman guarded Shaq and Karl Malone. He could guard anyone he wanted to guard even in today’s game. How you gonna talk shit about Dennis and Scotty but hype up Drayton Green? Makes no sense. Both are better defenders.
Only a handful of guys today play with their backs to the basket like malone and shaq. Rodman never guarded dudes who faced him up and couldn't today. There were no ball handlers in the 90s like there are today. That's one of the things they mean when they talk about how skilled people are today due to evolution. 6'6+ guys with tighter handles than 90s 6'1 guards.
@@therealsomeRecluse There isn't an evolution of players as much as an evolution of the rules. No hand checking and the Defensive 3 sec rule drastically changed how the game is played, and how you build a team. The only thing that keeps a guy like Rodman from playing well in today's league is inability to shoot. Bill Laimbeer on the other hand would fit right in in today's league. Its a shame he isn't in the NBA HOF as a player.
@@codys3009 well not only bball its nuts who say a fighter from 30-40s in boxing would beat a way more advanced one from 70s-90s And its nuts who say a basic fighter from 70s could beat one from 80s-now the boxing nuts is way worst video proof has been showed mutiple times showing advances over these years yet they still act blind and say those outdated era's was better
@@ozonespec HOF bigs back then had footwork/post game. Players today might dribble better but that’s Rodman’s game on defense.. he was fast and a pest on defensively
Kobe only averaged 17 PPG at age 38 what you Talkin bout??? Kobe even sold out Game 7 against Steve Nash Phoenix Suns cause he just wants to send messages to the front office that the roster is not good enough that he needs help🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷
Yeah, one of the major reasons why I didn’t go pro was I never got the growth spurt but I was the size of a point guard but played like a 2 or a 3. They didn’t know what to do with me. And if you shot from half court during that time, the coach would bench your ass even if you made it.
Alot guys could shot evrn high school level from mid court but just didn't cause coaches ..I shot a couple but it was men's league tourneys with no coach thrn
Greatness will always find a way to be great. I bet Gil has never heard Baron Davis speak. He told a story about guarding and playing against John Stockton and he was saying he was playing a grown man with chest hair. He always got to his spots, mad the right reads had strong hands and was much stronger and quicker than you would think. Respect has to go both ways. Hoops is hooops IMO.
Yup I don't agree with this take at all in alot of regards.i think even players before thay like magic/ bird would still be great players today,same goes for rodman pippen etc they would still be great.i think there's just more good/great players today then there were In the past.
Absolutely the NBA today has about 30 superstars just like the NBA of yesterday or 90s per say. So skillfully it has evolved but people are only going to mention the same names like KD , Giannis, Steph, Lebron, Kyrie, etc. it ain’t a whole lot of bad mfs in today’s NBA . Gilbert be bugging sometimes
I do agree with Gils take overall, but context matters. I don't believe Stockton was trash at all, his game translates very well all time. However, I do believe he was slightly overrated in comparison to talent that has come after him. His assist record is moreso a testament to his longevity and the luck of pairing with EDP Malone for 2 decades.
@@michaelrudolph1428 every team got somebody beyond the top 2 players who can do something very well. You can't say that about the 90s. Paxson and kerr can hit 3 but where's the d? Anthony Mason can be a draymond on defense but liability on offense. Rudy go gobert is a C from the 70 80s.
This dude has zero credibility. He try to play Zion like he would struggle in the NBA. Now hes slighting Ant Mason(RIP)? He continues to show great talent doesn’t equate to logical analysis. He just be yappin.
Some behind a screen telling an nba great he doesnt have credibility thats funny😂😂😂 these are his opinions if you dont like it yy keep watching his podcasts
@@sheltondmello8031 Gil said Zion wouldn't last in the nba and Zion this year had a season scoring just as much as gil peak on 15% better efficiency lol.
The truth is somewhere in the middle. I think the younger generation doesn't realize the advantages their rules five them. The older generation underestimates the level of skill required to put up the numbers some of these guys put up.
I think a lot of people understand but petty & trolling > being realistic. Old heads talk down on the game constantly so then young dudes reply to that with equal hot takes and old heads get mad
Being born in Baltimore I went to soo many wizard games and Gilbert has given me a lot of memories that I won’t ever forget.. WHEN GILBERT TOOK OVER THE VERIZON CENTER IT WAS KRAZY!!
Aiight Gil.. Barkley was "officially" 6'6 in that era and was considered small.. PFs in the 90s are like Charles Oakley, Charles Smith, Chris Webber, Karl Malone, Dale Davis, Danny Manning, Kevin Garnett, Derrick Coleman, Larry Johnson, PJ Brown, etc. Them dudes were 6'8 to 6'11... THESE BIG GUYS ARE SMALL TODAY!!
Who gives a fuck, you're acting like the forwards/guards of today wouldn't take advantage of their non lateral quickness having asses on the perimeter all game long.
@@kingshottah4429 I'm only asking for truth no exaggeration from anyone. Gil saying that PFs were 6'4 in that era.. false. PJ Tucker could play center in this era but NEVER then. I look at who plays PF now as opposed to even 10 yrs ago, these guys are little. And seeing that the 80s was the era of the big guard (Magic was drafted in 79 and was killing so the league adjusted.. hell George Gervin was 6'8 SG in 77. Just say the skill level went up. Don't claim they were smaller. That's a lie.
@@kingshottah4429 and then you got to stop a actually skilled big like Hakeem or Shaq... Hell even 7'4 Rik Smits would rape PJ Tucker. They'd literally score 80% every time down the court. That or be doubled and then their team gets open looks from 3... That being said, I wasn't talking bout none of that (hell, the new guys may very well beat the older one's idgas). All Im saying is don't lie to try to make your point more "valid"
Lol yall kids bro? Ok so in the 80s in 90s everybody had a post game n the iq was better, not as much turnovers than now but yall like long 3s n flashy dunks n say the game more skill when none of the guards have post games n most bigs don't either but they're more skilled cause they shoot 3s no u gotta have multiple skills n they don't pups
Part of what drives the evolution of the game are the rules changes. Today's players are bigger and stronger due to sports training advances so it's hard to compare eras. Every era has had great players that could play in any era if they had the same medical, nutrition, and training methods. LeBron spends a million dollars on his body every year which is great but some past eras didn't have the money or the advancements to do that. In the end it's like comparing apples and oranges.
@@ytbasketball101 It's not just the food it's the personal training, recovery methods, sports science, and the income to take advantage of all that. The average height and size of players has remained about the same since the 60s. Wilt was one of the few players that worked with weights and he became insanely big and strong. As time has passed the methods have improved and changed in a dramatic way. This isn't here say, it's science. Take Goerge McGinnis for example. George was 6'8" and about 240 of solid muscle and never lifted nuthin except cigarettes to his mouth. He had an amazing 8 year prime then faded out. Drop that man into modern basketball with his excellent touch, natural strength, great skill, and all the money and training that this era affords and you'd have another Lebron, that's how good he was. Oh, and by the way, his peak was in the 70s. Gus Johnson was another forward like that in the 60s and then in the 80s you had players like Dominique Wilkins, Larry Bird, and others. I could go on but you get the picture.
@develon Anthony The rules have changed A LOT to allow that development to happen. All the step backs and crossovers would have been called traveling and carrying the ball until the NBA started letting players get away with it. It's not like players just started getting more coordinated 😂
Gil acting like Dennis Rodman and Pippen are small when the Clips are playing Nick Batum at center most nights and are in the conference finals. Greatness is Greatness.
@@HeHe-zx2ei draymond green is 6’5 220 and Dennis rodman is 6’8 both play PF. Yet draymond is known to be one of the 2010s best defenders but Dennis rodman is now undersized?
Tbf he guarded Orlando shaq, he didn’t guard LA shaq. 3 peat Shaq is the most dominant force of the modern era. Rodman great but that shaq would’ve killed him.
finally i love how Gil is ruthless this time. Lotta ppl need to see this everybody still think 90s defence was superior. Gil is amazing. No feelings only facts about the game
actually the game now reminds me of the 80's a fast paced game it was nothing for a team to get 110-125 points and danny ainge flopped all the time the slow down game came when everyone wanted to post up and barkley backed someone down in the post for damn near the whole shot clock and the pistons were hacking the shit out of everyone
@@RIDGEMATIC lol back in the day Danny ainge was the king flopper mixed with Pat Beverly he would get in dudes heads and get them to hit him the only difference is they let them dudes scrap for bout 30 seconds back then lol teams had goons that’s what Anthony mason , Charles Oakley was
1. They used to average 120+ points per game in the 70’s, the average went down in 80’s and 90’s. 2. How do 3 grown ass man not know what a flop is? They are talking about drawing contact, flopping is pretending you were touch, but you weren’t. Keep soccer flops in Europe, not US NBA. 3. Anthony Mason was not 6”6, he was 6”8” 255lbs. 2 inches taller and 20lbs heavier than Draymond Green.
the efg was lower and TO rate was higher in the 70s they just played faster less efficient basketball. Mason was not 68 man, he may be listed there but no way.
@@justinlevy274 did you know Mason was the guy Biggie had at gun point. He had to pretend he was robbin him cause he was nailing his chick and Mason came back home.
@@m.j.w.2876 post some info.. almost every team had only one scoring threat. The other 4 you didn't have to worry about them. Just have to sag and clog the lane.
The defense rules allowing u to hand check and hack ppl instead of playing real defense? Most of these guys would’ve got dropped every game if those rules gone a long time ago tony Allen the goat on the ball defender Fr no hand check no hacks straight lock-in u up
why are people talking like humans evolve every 10 years. it's not evolution, professional athletes are the same physically as they were 50-70 years ago. it's advancement in conditioning, medicine, rehabilitation and fitness that makes the difference between athletes now and before and athletes now and 10-20 years from now
NBA allows fouling to stop the fastbreak where all the highlights happen, flopping is becoming more of a priority than actually playing straight up defense or offense and refs have been straight up awful. There is a LOT of room for improvement.
@@kingmalik09 No goofy. If its an unnatural foul you give the team who got fouled FTs and the ball to stop that foul from occurring. Like they do in international play.
He would have a lot of problems on defense today if he played at that ridiculous weight. But on offense, all you need is 4 shooters circling the three-point line and a wide open paint.
@@Dsmooth974 center that shoot 3s... come on now .. what would happen is shaq would guard the paint and let em shoot.. what they gona do shoot 20 3s? lets be real. and if that happens then so be it i rather lose a game bcs the opossite center rained 3s than the shooting guard
Scoring pt guards before AI, Stevie Fransis, just off top: Nate Archibald led the league in scoring & assist. Gus Willisms, isiah thomas, kevin johnson, mark price, tim hardaway, michael adams, fat lever, Michael Ray Richardson, rod strickland, Chris jackson, paul westphal, sam cassell……eddie Johnson.
Pippen 6’8 220 that’s a good size foh .. Rodman 6’6 230 strong as an ox one of the strongest pound for pound players of all time.. name me one player that can hold Shaq down without getting backed down in today’s game
What..? Lmao. This was a horrendous take out the gate. "Rodman and Pippen both 6'7" 210." They 228* my guy. "Today you'd both be guards." Draymond Green is 6'6" 230. Most SF/PF in the same range, still. We know he didn't play defense, that's why you're an unnotable from your playing days and have 0 Rings, Gil.
So there is no defense for that? What happened to the other side of the ball? Remember they are playing another team. Even if they were bigger and faster, aren't they also bigger and faster on defense?
I agree but im sure he meant that as in the all around game. Back then they used to have these musicians actually playing live instruments to record a song and now it’s easier to do that with producers and beat makers
@DieuJose LeManifique there are guards who hold on to the ball just as much if not more than Marbury and they werent averaging 8 assist most of their career. And all point guards in that era had the ball the most. So grays a moot point.
What everyone is missing is that the players from the 90's would adapt to this era if they had the opportunity.... You can't compare different eras that had different rules and ways of plying the game.... Players of any pro sports are highly competitive, so of course they'll have confidence to win in any era.... This generation would be successful in the the 90's.... The 90's generation would do good in this era.... Both would just have to adjust to the rules in place.
90s defense went up against basic-ahh offense. just your-turn-my-turn type of bs. no wonder they only talk about 90s defense and never talk about 90s offense.
At the end 90 scoring average per game was around 91,6 ppg . In the beginning 2000 defense system got even tighter. You just need to see what Detroit Pistons did to Shaq and Kobe at the finals in 2003. What Gilbert doesn’t understand is that 90s players are not saying modern players couldn’t be stars, but they wouldn’t have modern statistics inflation. Nowadays up to 50 players average 20+ points. Even Damian Lillard confirmed after 2021 Japan Olympics that even international basketball is more difficult to score. It’s a fact that if you eliminate all defense tools a player had in the past, you just unbalanced the game.
You know the pace was higher during the peak years of Isiah, Magic and Bird than it is today? If you adjust stats per 100 Duncan is actually a better scorer than Bird. Yet the 80e is considered the best era. The old heads aren’t complaining about stats they’re complaint about rules and styles but so little research and provide little past sound bites
@@hardwoodthought1213 exactly. old heads respect how the game has evolved technically. what they are just trying to say, and from my point of view, unsuccessfully, is that nowadays we have a big stats inflation. And by the way, I am starting to like way more NCAA basketball. Harder to play, more strategy, more intense.
Great reference with Dame and the Olympics. Nba had to change the rules again cuz they clearly saw how much of an advantage they were giving nba players that other parts of the world weren't. Coincidentally foreign stars are now running the league. It hasn't been kyrie, kd, kawhi getting mvps lately. It's been foreigners for 3 straight years now. More coming in every yr. Foreigners used to be the skill guys who were great individuals, now it's reverse and they the tougher guys who play better team ball
@@danielmarbella1197 it's not just about numbers. Focusing on stats are actually messing the game up. Back then guys didn't play to become the leading scorer, assist guy, rebounder or be the youngest to certain stats. They just played and collected them on the way to trying to win. But it's really about things as simple as competitive nature and sound fundamental/ smart basketball. I don't see how jacking up deep 3s early in the shot clock, not rim running on fast breaks and camping at the 3 pt line, not digging in defensively to at least make a guy use 3 or 4 counter moves to beat you.. hell even smart strategy to attack the best player and get them in foul trouble early to throw their/the teams rhythm off... simple things. College ball definitely still possesses that and is way better than nba basketball
Gilbert capping right now. Not every PG in that era was small. GP was big as was Rod Strickland, Derek Harper, Doc Rivers, Penny Hardaway, Jason Kidd. Rod was the smallest at 6'3"
None of them had 2 guard skills except Penny and he couldnt shoot past mid range... these dudes today are huge and versatile. It’s a pretty big skill gap between now and then... evolution.
Joe Ingles fuckin plays in this Era. And they think players like Toni Kukoc, Vlade Divac, Nick Van Exel and Tim Hardaway Sr cant. Tim Hardaway Sr would be a star in this league if he plays in this Era. Nick van Exel would smoke them soft guards. Vlade would play like Jokic or Sabonis Role. Even Peja Stojakovic would be a Star in this league.
@@mrow1391 how are they more skilled when there are lots of travels that aren't being called, nobody boxes out, big men can't post up, way too many players play defense with their hands instead of their feet and so on. If by skills you mean jumping higher or running faster then that's not basketball skills. thats athleticism
@@mrow1391 I don’t know if I can fully agree with you bro. Even in this video Gil is explaining that the coaches required certain play styles due to tradition. There were 6’7-6’10 guys who could handle the ball and pass but had to play in the post or be a power forward.
The issue with this is that if the player back then, were playing in this era, they would be in the same shape and had the same experience from watching guys before them as these guys today, it would make everything moot
Skill level my ass. The only thing they do better than the 90’s is shoot 3’s. It’s so strange now that today if your 3 point shot is off you lose by 30 points.
what nobody is really talking about is how the entire league has become great. You don’t have that one team that’s just extra trash. All these young dudes are hungry and can shoot and have skills .
Lmaoooo "We workout together, y'all gambled together. What's the difference?" I'm dead bro
One is getting better at the craft the other isn't
Gilbert did both. That's why he left league rt?
@@museinmohammed8765 make sense
@@lyrics_matrix5704 I mean getting better at gambling isn’t bad. 🙃
The NBA should gather every old head players still alive in one room and have Gil roast them one by one with their shit takes 😭😂
Lou looking up his Assistant coaches stats is hilarious lol😂😂😂
He was talking about his head coach Dwayne casey
@@jaywebster2125 Wow really I thought Casey was respected by the players lol
@@jaywebster2125 no way he was dwayne casey is a coach of the yr
I just looked up all his coaches and it was definitely Eddie Jordan
@@jaywebster2125 nah bro, he on MO cheeks ass, this was in his early Philly days. Nobody liked MO lol
Finally somebody is pushing back. These 80’s and 90’s players are telling “we walked 4 mikes in the snow to school” fairy tales every day on TNT, ESPN, and FS1. Players have to step up and start checking them on the facts.
So Shaq be lying about what he would do? Gtfoh
Where did say something about Shaq?
@@caprice3509Shaq can't guard on the perimeter... so he wouldn't be on the floor long ....we don't need 50 elbows for 30 slow points with 10 missed free throws
"I ain't have to guard him!" has me IN TEARS
You feel me😂 that’s my new go to
His face is priceless 😂
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“I wasn’t even trying to play defense in my era” 😂😂😂 Gilbert is walking quote machine
That's why he isn't an all time great
@@bazillionaire8 He was a great one on one player not a winner though
@@bazillionaire8 no one knows who tf you are
@@user-lx6fj3kf3j good one That's such a great argument. Way to add to the conversation.
@@bazillionaire8 u didn’t add anything other then hate so I gave you the same energy :) don’t cry like a bitch
I'm so glad to see this video. No bigger truth was ever spoken then when he said "you couldn't stop Jordan so you just clubbed him."
Lol. This TH-camr destroys all the bull that Gilbert and Lou said in this video th-cam.com/video/kwRXJOOHPLc/w-d-xo.html
Clothesline but yea lmao
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I'm a 80's/90's kid. And that F'D up defense was really in the 80's. My brother and I HAAAATED DETROIT. We used to say that ain't defense, that's jail ball.
Baaadddddd Booyyyyssssss
But don’t just go at the Pistons, it was the whole 80s. Celtics, 76ers, Lakers. They all played jail ball and were actually punching each other 😂. The 90s was the changing of the guard we see today where the rules were made to finally stop defenses from playing jail ball and close lining people. People forget that Jordan played in that closelining defense only at the beginning of his career. So when they show the highlights of him getting knocked out the air by piston players, that was in the 80s before he started winning. He complained to the league (as he should have) and the rules started changing and stopped allowing defenders to be such a skilless thing. The 90s is when defenders had to start adapting and using skills like predicting what direction an offensive player was driving and create offensive fouls or flopping. It trips me out people act like flopping is something that just recently got created. The great defenders who started it did it all the time like Scottie and Dennis Rodman. It’s a skill
@@greg2797 Fake news on Jordan,, again.
@@zpacify what part?
Brutal
Gil goin off this episode lmaooo
Lmao I fw it for real
Gil needs to research the NBA rule changes before speaking. The NBA purposely changed the league rules to create higher scoring and made it a more perimeter friendly game.
@@rmtjr237 you don’t think he knows that? 😂😂😂. That’s not the point smh
@@marinazinovic2367 what's the point then?
@@rmtjr237 ya everyone act like Gil speaking some next level shit . Truth is you can barely touch the players without it being a foul and I’m tired of teams shooting 40 threes a game .
The self awareness is so much needed in everything. Much respect ✊🏿
Everything he said is nonsense. Lol. This TH-camr destroys all the bull that Gilbert and Lou said in this video th-cam.com/video/kwRXJOOHPLc/w-d-xo.html
I'm in tears🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 90s defense = prison basketball lmaooooo
Gil with Guns = real Prison
The good times
Alcoholic/cokehead basketball
@@scoringmachine4694 honestly in the 90s I wouldn't have be surprised if someone got stabbed going for a layups lol I don't understand why people act like it was the best when it really wasn't
@@thegawdtheynotlikeus Bro that's just the 80s that was tough like that don't believe the hype 90s were soft as baby shit mj got every call. Only "bad boy" team at the time was the knicks
I was still very young when Gilbert Arenas played, I was like 12. I remember the GA hype, but too young to appreciate. Man this guy is hilarious and relatable off the court too. I remember getting an Agent 0 poster in a sports illustrated and had it hanging up in my locker in school lol
He was one of the best. An All-Star starting guard.
before the Beard, we have Agent Zero.
He was a beast until he got hurt. Would have liked to see how he would have been healthy, in his peak.
This actually is a cycle of life. In a few years Gil and Lou are gonna be talking about back in they days lol.
i mean gill does all the time
But Gill did say he didn’t wanna play defense back then so he knowsssss his defense wouldn’t be good now 😂😂
Of course they talk about back in the days but at least understand the evolution of the game and don’t hate lmao
Yeah Gil not like these old heads
Gil played during that transition from 90s iso/post-up heavy basketball, to the pick and roll heavy but not yet raining 3s offense of the 2010s. So I think he's got a good perspective since he played when the NBA was just starting to evolve into what it is now.
The person who had to beep out shit earned their money on this one.
He was late on half of em 😭
That shit hurt me ears. More than half of us grown. And the other half know what he’s saying. Stop the beeps
didn't even beep out the word shit
Gilbert did nothing in the NBA but pull a gun out on his teammate! He aint won nothing! He was an slightly above average player! That's it! He need to shut his mouth!
@@hiphopsmaddness It's time to cancel Gilbert too! He's a clown who did nothing in the league! The boy had no heart Lebron Tapped his chest and this emotional nut bag miss two free throws!
Gilbert Arenas : "You have to understand rules."
Also Gilbert Arenas: Brings gun into locker room to shoot Crittenton over a card game.
lmao
That’s cap, that’s not what happened.
Its rules to the streets too lol have my doe or meet the 44
I’m assuming you’re old asf and you’re using his mistake to discredit all the CORRECT things he’s saying💀 nobody wants to hear 90yr olds talk bruh. They had their time and fame so now they need to stfu and enjoy retirement
When agent 00 mentioned Barkley and that rule I said THANK YOUUUUUU. Every time I hear him say “dribble dribble dribble dribble” I think bruh that was YOU. And that’s why a rule was written 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Brooo and when shaq start talking about guys missing free throws. Really bruh? 😂😂😂
😭😭😭😭
@@Yourlocalfbiagentt amennnnnn. But I will say shaq was good for always hitting 1 out of 2 😂😂😂😂
@@Yourlocalfbiagentt Shaq always say he hit em when they count
Bruhh frfr!! And when they talk about super teams and players wanting to play with one another shits annoying cause Charles seems to forget he was in the rockets
Charles Barkley: “you don’t want the dribbler” “dribble dribble dribble” lmaoo 6:15 meanwhile there’s a whole rule in the book saying you can’t dribble for too long bc of Chuck 😂😂
LMFAO!! True, to a degree... You can't dribble the ball, below the free throw line, with your back or your side to the basket, for over 5 seconds...
Facts
Looool and people want that basketball in today’s game. Backing down your defender for 15 seconds. Ooffff
@@newrecruit100 the rule is 5 seconds though...oof...🤔😂
Gil speaking facts here!
Gil has to be top five basketball pod guys out there. He's always on 10 and I'm here for it 🤣
"I don't wanna hear you SAAAY dribble"🤣🤣😂😂😂
"you bounced that mf 42 times" 🤣
@@Munchkkinz 😂😂😂
Arenas is good at the podcast stuff, natural talent for this
I think he would make a good coach
@@salvatoreventura7461 avging 29 a season is trash? Damn lmao
@@salvatoreventura7461 try again
yeah, but his opinions are just nonsense.
@@busterkeaton1001 what's nonsense he said?
Rodman guarded Shaq. He guarded Karl Malone. He guarded Hakeem. Gilbert needs to understand who the Worm is
"When I seen J.J. Reddick 23 million. I need to swallow my pride and start working out again."🤣🤣🤣
Dude mad disrespectful 😂
8:25 🤣🤣 couldn’t stop Jordan so you clothes-lined him 🤣🤣.
Facts though
Whatever it takes to stop Jordan.
These days they just give a player the lane. I prefer actually caring to stop the player from scoring and make em earn it at the line
@@andreearl3258 watch the game
@@jac23mj say something worth saying
@@andreearl3258 Like you said anything of value lmao
The lack of knowledge on this panel is astounding....😂😂😂.
“Y’all couldn’t stop jordan so you just close lined a mf” lmao
I wonder how Lou feeling while Gil hyping this little man scenario when he like 6’1 🤣🤣🤣..That’s hilarious
Lou knows his place
Iverson dominate and he's small
He way more skilled than the 90 guards
Gil talking about Scottie and Rodman being small guards while 5'9 IT was dropping nearly 30 a game lol.
@@GameChanger-xi4iy but he shot 3’s
Arenas and the new guys can say what they want, but the decline of viewership says it all.
you can say decline of viewership, i can say there is so many things to watch and how to watch it now, not every view is really counted now
More ratings now than then, it’s a worldwide sport and it’s still growing especially in Europe and even Canada where it’s hockey dominated. I see a ton of jerseys/merch everywhere I go.
Explains why it’s the 2nd most popular sport worldwide behind soccer. You “think” viewers are going down but it’s not
Let’s totally not factor in the amount of subscriptions you have to pay for in order to watch games… let’s not factor in that the NFL is by far the more popular sport, let’s not factor in anything else when talking about the decline in viewership…. It’s crazy that people as stupid as you exist in this world
That means literally nothing lol. Nba was on one channel and showed 2 games a week. With illegal streaming and games on every local channel the ratings will go down.
Internationally its wayyyyyyy more popular now
I don’t think people are talking about securing position with flopping. People are talking about falling over when shooting 3s not having been touched, offensive player falling over when the defensive player swipes for the ball, etc. The rules are now in favor of not allowing the defensive player to dictate where the offensive player is going. C’mon
and all the superstars play like this, it’s good to get fouls but that shit is annoying to watch for the fans
Exactly, Gil is not trying to acknowledge that.
@@poundthatpavement652 flopping and soft fouls happened in the 90s stfu
Era bias always gone come into play but this era doo be flopping like a mf doe every play lol
They got that from the 90s boss Reggie did it mike got bs calls and pushing people out the air when they can’t guard them isn’t talent or good defense it’s trash tbh and skill less everybody ain’t like that but a lot of em was
@4:26 facts😂 the game evolves so comparing different eras as better or worse isn’t fair to the players. If MJ played today, he’d shoot the 3🤷🏾♂️ if Lebron [grew up] in ‘75 his skill set would be different based on how they played back then. The same goes for all players, you can’t just “drop” a player from one era into another era. The game always evolves…
Nah. You can drop Jordan anytime.
@@TheRoadLessChosen Wrong. They would call fouls on Jordan.
@@msp5138 huh? Found on Jordan? Wtf are you talking about?
It is a thought experiment to 'drop' a player in. For one it compares skill sets, the skill which steph, lebron, kyrie etc display is far superior to what you see in 75 which is the point of saying the skill set is higher today.
@@justinlevy274 man, I agree 95%. But it's getting to the point where it might be hard for these players to adapt to that old style. Refs have evolved....rulings have evolved. Allen Iverson's crossover was sometimes called a travel, with certain refs.
We drop Kyrie in the 70s... We take away all that fancy dribbling, that will get called traveling, carry, or palming. We take away the euro steps, the 0 step, the crab dribble, the step back.... It'd be interesting.
I still think they dominate, but for a game or two I'd be hilarious to watch them try to adapt.
Old heads beg for respect by not showing respect to the new generation. Shit is so annoying listening to 60 year olds saying “these guys couldn’t last in my day” like 6’9 250 would struggle 😂
@@johnnythekid4601 dude shut the fuck up. I get it you’re 50 years old and think everything was better back then lmao
New katz aint earn it. Put in the old school rules and see their stats drop to the ground
@@ToeStankinwhat old school rules unc, pgs from the 80s literally did about dribble moves😂😂😂😂
This era is the best era. Look how stacked the league is with talent
Every team seems like they have a star or near one . But best era has to go to either 90’s or early-mid 2000’s
@@ktv9035 thats cuz ppl only remember the few top guys in that era. Actually try to find a full game vid of a team without those guys and its brutal to watch. Shit spacing and lots of missed shots
Although this is the most talent the league has ever had , I feel like the best basketball was played in the early 2000 to mid 2000s but that’s just my opinion .
@@Put_U_Smooth true,league now got more talent for sure but lacks rivalries and rules ruining it more and more with soft calls and bad shooters keep shooting three's
@@Put_U_Smooth that literally was the slowest era of basketball history
Flopping is a skill like wearing fake jewelry and scamming people makes you a successful businessman.
Flopping is done to draw fouls and it takes skill to do it effectively. Btw flopping has been around for many generations.
@@memcrew1 flopping is a skill according to idiots.
@@studiobauhaus7740 yet players are making millions doing it…
@@xavierfarrow you can be an idiot and make millions. Dont be a fool and think rich and successful people cant be idiots.
Bill Laimbeer was known throughout the League for his flopping...in the 80s....so I dont wanna hear it
:56 THANK YOU GIL!!
I’ve been taken out over the past few years with all this whining about smaller players who are already at a disadvantage against players with more length, strength, size and power. Their only real advantages are their handles, quickness and intelligence. It’s basic basketball and the proper way to draw a foul. BEAT YOUR OPPONENT AND MAKE HIM FOUL YOU. That player either needs to keep up, switch off or fall back.
evolution is part of life and every step is important for things to progress. life is a journey.
What evolved?
Your evolution is run down take stupid shots
Remove most skill needed and replace with volume stupid shoots
Can bigs like AD Embid and such do more then say Hakeem? Sure but show me 1 big today who can dominate the game like Hakeem or Shaq
This is where low iq hangs fans with dumb answers like they can play zone now.......
Name 1 college player then who aint face any defense ran today in college I got all week u wont find 1 so thats moot
If the game "evolved" got "better"
Why has ratings kept declining and set all time lows last year
During a pandemic where we were so deaperate for ANYTHING NEW
Lmao last dance did more numbers then ANY current game easy
Sorry junior to protect a weak af queen james NBA ripped big men out of the game and lessened the skill of the game
Btw history shows whats better
Inside out undefeated vs jumpshoting teams unless Jordan was the other team his 1st 3 peat
2nd he was the post player
@@lukelucky1311 thanks for the rant and assuming i'm a junior lol.
@@solephonic your knowledge of the game is extremely juvenile void of facts
@@lukelucky1311 i just posted a quote. calm down.
@@lukelucky1311 the game has evolved immensely since the 90’s,
1. Shooters are on another planet today and that’s including big men who rarely shot from the perimeter in the 90’s.
2. Teams play more team oriented style of ball than in the 90’s where dominant post players dominated the bulk of scoring.
3. Point guards aren’t just pass first guys anymore, it’s crucial that your pg can pick & roll and be a threat to score.
4. Defense isn’t just one on one until your man gets beat and hopefully your center can make up for it anymore, teams now have schemes and zone coverages depending on the matchup (illegal defense made it impossible back in the day)
5. The game has grown exponentially across the globe, producing better players all over the world. The international pool of players is slowly matching and surpassing homegrown talent
I’m a old head who likes to adjust and adapt to the times ! There’s great things in this generation that I like and there’s some things that I don’t but that where I am at when it comes to basketball !
Did Arenas just said flopping is a skill..huh?? Dont believe a guy who brings guns in the locker room
Some of this is accurate, yet inaccurate, too.
What a way to say nothing.
We’re you in the NBA ?
@@connormathias5779 😂😂😂
Smokey Yunick is a RACING LEGEND, this man said “If it doesn’t say I can’t do it in the rule book, I can do whatever”. Meaning manipulate the rule book to your advantage and find your loopholes if need be. People praised Smokey but shame LeBron n James Harden. FOH
I have yet to see Gil have a truly “bad” take
He actually understands the game AND everything else
He had many bad takes one was where he said kwame was bust
Flopping is a skill is a bad take
@@rapperastoned he was a bust
@@bonn0077 kwamw wasn’t a bust he jus not number 1 pick
Rodman guarded Shaq and held his own....Gilbett has zero clue.
They don’t wanna admit how this generation has bigger faster stronger and better players
It's not track n field, those metrics aren't that important
@@GuideToModernFootball exactly bro
@@GuideToModernFootball they think bigger, stronger, faster is a skills and it’s not...skills are shit that can be taught... guys on the perimeter are averaging 25 a night and can’t hit water in a boat...more athletic yes but nore skilled no
100% today's players are waaaaay more skilled
The league has gone small and faster, not bigger and stronger. And it's not about generation either, it's about how the game is played today and what personnel suits it best. I love Gil but rn he's just trying to rope in kids with these hottakes
it's not just skills, it's also about the rules that were designed to favor the offensive players...
Like allowing mj them free roam to the rim? 😂 Stop being dumb
@@nmbmemphisbeast3690 free roam? Stop
Regardless basketball is wayyy more skilled now than it was in the 90s y’all have to let it go.
Today's players are 1000% more skilled and it's not even close tbh
@@scoringmachine4694 he acknowledged the skill but you if you could play more aggressive defense now it would absolutely make an impact
The man said Dennis Rodman is a little guy in today’s game like he ain’t never gaurd shaq, Tim Duncan, Hakeem etc, all in their prime I might add. Arenas is tripping calling his name.
true, Draymond green is 6'7 but PF in todays game
Shaq 27 dropped points on him in all their matchups😭😂😂😂plz
@@xpertyt6801 And what was his usual average?
He guarded those guys for a play here and there and would usually get cooked.
“You little, idk why I was scared of u” 🤣
Gilbert needs to remember the episode of Knuckleheads where he admitted that little Gary Payton posted him up and killed him. And then when they switched the big guy onto Payton, he posted up their big guy too. It doesn’t matter how big you are if the other person is that good at posting up. Posting up is a lost art form for point guards nowadays. No more Gary Payton’s or Mark Jackson’s who can do it that well. So yeah, there was a reason why Gilbert should be afraid of these little guys. He’s acting like size and athleticism is the be all end all. Payton and John Stockton would still school the player’s of today.
Billups was a beast in the post too
Ask Westbrook he post up lil Nd big guards
You LiIITle
Dennis Roman guarded Shaq and Karl Malone. He could guard anyone he wanted to guard even in today’s game. How you gonna talk shit about Dennis and Scotty but hype up Drayton Green? Makes no sense. Both are better defenders.
Gilbert arenas speaks as if he was Kobe Bryant
Only a handful of guys today play with their backs to the basket like malone and shaq. Rodman never guarded dudes who faced him up and couldn't today. There were no ball handlers in the 90s like there are today. That's one of the things they mean when they talk about how skilled people are today due to evolution. 6'6+ guys with tighter handles than 90s 6'1 guards.
@@therealsomeRecluse There isn't an evolution of players as much as an evolution of the rules. No hand checking and the Defensive 3 sec rule drastically changed how the game is played, and how you build a team. The only thing that keeps a guy like Rodman from playing well in today's league is inability to shoot. Bill Laimbeer on the other hand would fit right in in today's league. Its a shame he isn't in the NBA HOF as a player.
@@Cakebattered bill laimbeer will get killed off pick and rolls. Players today have developed shooting. Everyone is able to knock down shots
@@Cakebattered they still hand check ...watch the games
So glad I have this clip to show all these nostalgic haters man, thanks lol
That word is wrong its called nuts not nostalgia gotta be nuts to say a outdated era is better
@@cmoneytheman Preach! Only basketball fans think the game goes in reverse 😂
@@codys3009 well not only bball its nuts who say a fighter from 30-40s in boxing would beat a way more advanced one from 70s-90s
And its nuts who say a basic fighter from 70s could beat one from 80s-now the boxing nuts is way worst video proof has been showed mutiple times showing advances over these years yet they still act blind and say those outdated era's was better
He’s the only player to acknowledge the fact that you have to sell the foul to get the foul
Yeah and he actually thinks it’s a good thing 😐
@@realest21310 it’s not but that’s what it takes to get a decent foul call now
@@OhYeaTax
Too many fouls are being called today in my opinion
Rodman, actually locked up a lot of these HOF bigs.. 😐
The HOF bigs back then could barely dribble!!! Today's Bigs can dribble. Big difference.
@@ozonespec HOF bigs back then had footwork/post game. Players today might dribble better but that’s Rodman’s game on defense.. he was fast and a pest on defensively
@@BenjiClips614 Footwork doesn't equate to quick lateral movement.
@@ozonespec that’s besides the point but have a productive day, sir.
@@BenjiClips614 That's not besides the point, it's spot on.
And old Kobe roasted these younger athletic and bigger guys that were "evolved"
no he didn’t
Kobe only averaged 17 PPG at age 38 what you Talkin bout??? Kobe even sold out Game 7 against Steve Nash Phoenix Suns cause he just wants to send messages to the front office that the roster is not good enough that he needs help🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷
Yeah, one of the major reasons why I didn’t go pro was I never got the growth spurt but I was the size of a point guard but played like a 2 or a 3. They didn’t know what to do with me. And if you shot from half court during that time, the coach would bench your ass even if you made it.
Bro them coaches from 2000s would have had a heart attack if you did that you'll never see minutes again
Alot guys could shot evrn high school level from mid court but just didn't cause coaches ..I shot a couple but it was men's league tourneys with no coach thrn
Half court shots are stupid tho
@@hightide7662 They are. I’d rather drive. But there throwing up half court shots in the middle of game now.
@@hightide7662 if you can make it, it’s not stupid
Sleeping on the sonics, suns and blazers scoring 120 on the reg in the 90s
Scoring 120 after getting touched up in the lane by the big man.
Lou cool as hell. But they salty cause 90s would spank they ass. 🤣
They weren't averaging that.
Somebody doesn’t look up stats 😂
@@AtlantaSamurai they're not averaging 130 today like he claimed, either.
more like 115.
Greatness will always find a way to be great. I bet Gil has never heard Baron Davis speak. He told a story about guarding and playing against John Stockton and he was saying he was playing a grown man with chest hair. He always got to his spots, mad the right reads had strong hands and was much stronger and quicker than you would think. Respect has to go both ways. Hoops is hooops IMO.
Yep
Yup I don't agree with this take at all in alot of regards.i think even players before thay like magic/ bird would still be great players today,same goes for rodman pippen etc they would still be great.i think there's just more good/great players today then there were In the past.
Absolutely the NBA today has about 30 superstars just like the NBA of yesterday or 90s per say. So skillfully it has evolved but people are only going to mention the same names like KD , Giannis, Steph, Lebron, Kyrie, etc. it ain’t a whole lot of bad mfs in today’s NBA . Gilbert be bugging sometimes
I do agree with Gils take overall, but context matters. I don't believe Stockton was trash at all, his game translates very well all time. However, I do believe he was slightly overrated in comparison to talent that has come after him. His assist record is moreso a testament to his longevity and the luck of pairing with EDP Malone for 2 decades.
@@michaelrudolph1428 every team got somebody beyond the top 2 players who can do something very well. You can't say that about the 90s. Paxson and kerr can hit 3 but where's the d? Anthony Mason can be a draymond on defense but liability on offense. Rudy go gobert is a C from the 70 80s.
I had to guard Eric Snow! 😂😂😂😂
This dude has zero credibility. He try to play Zion like he would struggle in the NBA. Now hes slighting Ant Mason(RIP)? He continues to show great talent doesn’t equate to logical analysis. He just be yappin.
Some behind a screen telling an nba great he doesnt have credibility thats funny😂😂😂 these are his opinions if you dont like it yy keep watching his podcasts
@@t.owilson9697 you ever watch Anthony Mason play?
Zion is like 300 pounds. They been big as in height and weight not just height
@@sheltondmello8031 Gil said Zion wouldn't last in the nba and Zion this year had a season scoring just as much as gil peak on 15% better efficiency lol.
hand checking. bring it back, see how these guys handle it and then you can compare
The truth is somewhere in the middle. I think the younger generation doesn't realize the advantages their rules five them. The older generation underestimates the level of skill required to put up the numbers some of these guys put up.
I think a lot of people understand but petty & trolling > being realistic. Old heads talk down on the game constantly so then young dudes reply to that with equal hot takes and old heads get mad
That's exactly what it is man it's somewhere in the middle
Exactly
I agree. But everybody on the opposite ends wants to be right tho
Players are better now
Y’alls video team been more timely than ever lately
Being born in Baltimore I went to soo many wizard games and Gilbert has given me a lot of memories that I won’t ever forget.. WHEN GILBERT TOOK OVER THE VERIZON CENTER IT WAS KRAZY!!
None of them was playoff memories🤣🤣🤣
@@lakeshow-vq1rm 😂 funny that u say that.. John wall gave me my 1st playoff memory, when him a Kyle lowery was about to fight that shit was lit 😂
Aiight Gil.. Barkley was "officially" 6'6 in that era and was considered small.. PFs in the 90s are like Charles Oakley, Charles Smith, Chris Webber, Karl Malone, Dale Davis, Danny Manning, Kevin Garnett, Derrick Coleman, Larry Johnson, PJ Brown, etc. Them dudes were 6'8 to 6'11... THESE BIG GUYS ARE SMALL TODAY!!
Who gives a fuck, you're acting like the forwards/guards of today wouldn't take advantage of their non lateral quickness having asses on the perimeter all game long.
@@kingshottah4429 I'm only asking for truth no exaggeration from anyone. Gil saying that PFs were 6'4 in that era.. false. PJ Tucker could play center in this era but NEVER then. I look at who plays PF now as opposed to even 10 yrs ago, these guys are little. And seeing that the 80s was the era of the big guard (Magic was drafted in 79 and was killing so the league adjusted.. hell George Gervin was 6'8 SG in 77. Just say the skill level went up. Don't claim they were smaller. That's a lie.
@@reodagreo7637 I mean he can all they'd have to do is run a small ball line up and kill them from 3 lmao
@@kingshottah4429 and then you got to stop a actually skilled big like Hakeem or Shaq... Hell even 7'4 Rik Smits would rape PJ Tucker. They'd literally score 80% every time down the court. That or be doubled and then their team gets open looks from 3... That being said, I wasn't talking bout none of that (hell, the new guys may very well beat the older one's idgas). All Im saying is don't lie to try to make your point more "valid"
@@reodagreo7637 3 vs 2 which one is more? Its almost like you haven't watched basketball in the past 4 years
Rodman wasn’t 210 lmao, dude guarded Shaq
Exactly
228- not too far off
@@VidasWayWithDannyJuarbe bro I'm 237. Rodman weighed more then me for sure.
@@williamh.gatesiii8183 Just googled it and he weighed about 220 when he played LMAO KD weighs 240.
Oh.....just for shots and giggles.....Gil went 0-3 against a 40 year old John Stockton and didn't outscore him once.
Omg I love this so much . It's 100% true . Top 10 players of today would whip any 80s-90s player.
You mean likes of luka and jokic who is literally the plumbers in 90s!?
Lol yall kids bro? Ok so in the 80s in 90s everybody had a post game n the iq was better, not as much turnovers than now but yall like long 3s n flashy dunks n say the game more skill when none of the guards have post games n most bigs don't either but they're more skilled cause they shoot 3s no u gotta have multiple skills n they don't pups
Part of what drives the evolution of the game are the rules changes. Today's players are bigger and stronger due to sports training advances so it's hard to compare eras. Every era has had great players that could play in any era if they had the same medical, nutrition, and training methods. LeBron spends a million dollars on his body every year which is great but some past eras didn't have the money or the advancements to do that. In the end it's like comparing apples and oranges.
These players are built bigger too not just more nutrition.
@@ytbasketball101 It's not just the food it's the personal training, recovery methods, sports science, and the income to take advantage of all that. The average height and size of players has remained about the same since the 60s. Wilt was one of the few players that worked with weights and he became insanely big and strong. As time has passed the methods have improved and changed in a dramatic way. This isn't here say, it's science. Take Goerge McGinnis for example. George was 6'8" and about 240 of solid muscle and never lifted nuthin except cigarettes to his mouth. He had an amazing 8 year prime then faded out. Drop that man into modern basketball with his excellent touch, natural strength, great skill, and all the money and training that this era affords and you'd have another Lebron, that's how good he was. Oh, and by the way, his peak was in the 70s. Gus Johnson was another forward like that in the 60s and then in the 80s you had players like Dominique Wilkins, Larry Bird, and others. I could go on but you get the picture.
@develon Anthony Of course they did but sports science has come a long way
@develon Anthony The rules have changed A LOT to allow that development to happen. All the step backs and crossovers would have been called traveling and carrying the ball until the NBA started letting players get away with it. It's not like players just started getting more coordinated 😂
Man Gil talking like those greats was all 6'1 when there where big dudes aplenty back then
😂😂😂 what defense they just follow you to the three point line put their up hands, hope and prayer you brick that's defence today 😂😂😂
And this here people is why NBA ratings are down every year. When people like Gilbert say flopping is a skill u know the NBA is dead.
Thats a fact flopping a skill LOL fu##
whenever i think of flopping Vlade Divac is the first thing I think about. Man had it down to a science
Facts
Exxxxxxxcceeeppppttttt, the NBA is bigger than it EVER BEEN, so try again
@@pimpindnice910 bigger in China ya. That’s not good
Gilbert arenas jus like hearing himself talk
Of course,what you think this show about?
So is he not speaking the truth?
@@tonyi229 his truth watch Dwight & white Boys body language . He certainly gets passes
y’all sensitive
Jordan couldn’t figure the in between the legs dunk.. but today kids pull that move in their sleep … Jordan thought it was close to impossible
Gil acting like Dennis Rodman and Pippen are small when the Clips are playing Nick Batum at center most nights and are in the conference finals. Greatness is Greatness.
@D Thomas He 6'8 205 he doesn't have the body mass to be over 220.
Rodman say he would lock down lebron... bullshit... he cnt guard bron or KD
Exactly Everytime I watch a game now everyone on the court is under 6'8
Nick batum can shoot it’s different
@@HeHe-zx2ei draymond green is 6’5 220 and Dennis rodman is 6’8 both play PF. Yet draymond is known to be one of the 2010s best defenders but Dennis rodman is now undersized?
“They’re both 6’7 210”
Dennis Rodman: 6’7” 230 lbs
Scottie Pippen: 6’8” 230 lbs
Captain literal...
That’s pretty darn close for off the top of the head lol
Rodman guarded shaq, he was no pushover
Tbf he guarded Orlando shaq, he didn’t guard LA shaq. 3 peat Shaq is the most dominant force of the modern era. Rodman great but that shaq would’ve killed him.
“No I had to guard Eric Snow!”
Gilbert Arenas - 2022
🤣😂🤣😅
finally i love how Gil is ruthless this time. Lotta ppl need to see this everybody still think 90s defence was superior. Gil is amazing. No feelings only facts about the game
Some facts*
How is facts when he lead with pippen and rodman can't guard dudes today... when the 90s birthed the point forward ha... he already had it wrong there
Today basketball soft end of story
@@JMD0086, So much insight, makes a great counterclaim. 🤦♂️
actually the game now reminds me of the 80's a fast paced game it was nothing for a team to get 110-125 points and danny ainge flopped all the time the slow down game came when everyone wanted to post up and barkley backed someone down in the post for damn near the whole shot clock and the pistons were hacking the shit out of everyone
Major props on ainge ALWAYS flopping lol
@@RIDGEMATIC lol back in the day Danny ainge was the king flopper mixed with Pat Beverly he would get in dudes heads and get them to hit him the only difference is they let them dudes scrap for bout 30 seconds back then lol teams had goons that’s what Anthony mason , Charles Oakley was
Facts . Mad funny yo
Except it’s waaaaaaaaaaaaay more 3’s today. Back then, they were getting 120 points on 2’s.
Penny, ghill, stockton
1. They used to average 120+ points per game in the 70’s, the average went down in 80’s and 90’s.
2. How do 3 grown ass man not know what a flop is? They are talking about drawing contact, flopping is pretending you were touch, but you weren’t. Keep soccer flops in Europe, not US NBA.
3. Anthony Mason was not 6”6, he was 6”8” 255lbs. 2 inches taller and 20lbs heavier than Draymond Green.
the efg was lower and TO rate was higher in the 70s they just played faster less efficient basketball. Mason was not 68 man, he may be listed there but no way.
@@justinlevy274 did you know Mason was the guy Biggie had at gun point. He had to pretend he was robbin him cause he was nailing his chick and Mason came back home.
@@justinlevy274 you right he is shorter than rodman, and pippen are both listed 6’7”
@@tren35 I would not be messin with that guys wife, he looks like he could literally rip your arms out of socket.
That's why I said 90s Defense was way easier. You don't have to worry about a guy past 15-17 feet.
Numbers and history say ur wrong
@@m.j.w.2876 post some info.. almost every team had only one scoring threat. The other 4 you didn't have to worry about them. Just have to sag and clog the lane.
@@ppheann 100
ffs
The reason you score in the high 100s is the defensive rules has changed
And players are just more skilled can’t forget about that
actually the offense just got better and the floor is more spread out
The defense rules allowing u to hand check and hack ppl instead of playing real defense? Most of these guys would’ve got dropped every game if those rules gone a long time ago tony Allen the goat on the ball defender Fr no hand check no hacks straight lock-in u up
3 points is worth more than 2 points simple math. Players are more skilled today and shoot more 3s
Factual!
why are people talking like humans evolve every 10 years. it's not evolution, professional athletes are the same physically as they were 50-70 years ago. it's advancement in conditioning, medicine, rehabilitation and fitness that makes the difference between athletes now and before and athletes now and 10-20 years from now
NBA allows fouling to stop the fastbreak where all the highlights happen, flopping is becoming more of a priority than actually playing straight up defense or offense and refs have been straight up awful. There is a LOT of room for improvement.
Real life
the refs were awful then.
What do you mean "allows?" If someone is fouled, the refs call it. You expect the refs to close their eyes when a fast break is about to begin?
@@kingmalik09 No goofy. If its an unnatural foul you give the team who got fouled FTs and the ball to stop that foul from occurring. Like they do in international play.
@@zType2 this isn’t international play💀newsflash not every league has the same rules and plays an archaic style of basketball
Shaq would've STILL DOMINATED in any era...no arguing that
Washed Dwight Howard giving today’s centers that work,imagine what shaq,dream and them would do lol
He would have a lot of problems on defense today if he played at that ridiculous weight. But on offense, all you need is 4 shooters circling the three-point line and a wide open paint.
Shaq would be a liability in today’s games. He will have to guard centers who shoot 3s and dribble.
@@Dsmooth974 I think he would be forced to keep his weight down. But he would still be amazing.
@@Dsmooth974 center that shoot 3s... come on now .. what would happen is shaq would guard the paint and let em shoot.. what they gona do shoot 20 3s? lets be real. and if that happens then so be it i rather lose a game bcs the opossite center rained 3s than the shooting guard
Scoring pt guards before AI, Stevie Fransis, just off top:
Nate Archibald led the league in scoring & assist. Gus Willisms, isiah thomas, kevin johnson, mark price, tim hardaway, michael adams, fat lever, Michael Ray Richardson, rod strickland, Chris jackson, paul westphal, sam cassell……eddie Johnson.
The way he talks about ai sounds so funny to me. "Uhh we don't know what that is yet so we just gonna throw him at the 2"
Except Isiah Thomas, Oscar Robertson and Tim Hardaway were “that”. Gilbert just doesn’t understand that these players were all better than he was.
@@HT-sm9dm Oscar Robertson was not breaking ankles my guy
@@domination4892 first of all I’m not “your guy” ya fruit. Second of all, how tf do you know what Oscar Robertson was doing and not doing?
@@HT-sm9dm Watch the games and footage of him on the internet for yourself
@@HT-sm9dm My guy
Pippen 6’8 220 that’s a good size foh .. Rodman 6’6 230 strong as an ox one of the strongest pound for pound players of all time.. name me one player that can hold Shaq down without getting backed down in today’s game
Joel Embiid
Giannis Dwight
@@domination4892 cap no he can’t
@@obi-nine1504 nope prime deight couldn’t even handle old Shaq lol and Giannis too small for shaq lmao
@@OmarGarcia-qp9tt Shaq would also get exposed on defense, he would be interesting to see for sure.
What..? Lmao. This was a horrendous take out the gate.
"Rodman and Pippen both 6'7" 210."
They 228* my guy.
"Today you'd both be guards."
Draymond Green is 6'6" 230.
Most SF/PF in the same range, still.
We know he didn't play defense, that's why you're an unnotable from your playing days and have 0 Rings, Gil.
No way Pip was 230, maybe in portland but not mid 90s pip
@@justinlevy274
1994 - registered at 102 kg (or 224 lbs)
@@justinlevy274
Regardless, not 210.
Oscar Robinson said all they had to do with Steph Curry is hand check him and that will be enough lol
Curry is known to play worse with physical defense applied to him
Ringless offensive players who never played defense are saying what now?!!
These dudes talkn down like they NBA Champs or sum
Rings dont determine players as much in basketball anymore
@@jbtreshawn Rings will always determine who's best amongst the greats in basketball. Its BASKETBALL!
@@hardart- who better AI or Wade and why?
@@hardart- or scottie and dr j?
The skills are really different. The reason why players can easily score nowadays bcoz they are faster, skillful and some are bigger than the old era
So there is no defense for that? What happened to the other side of the ball? Remember they are playing another team.
Even if they were bigger and faster, aren't they also bigger and faster on defense?
The players are not more skilled Lmao 🤣
Music was way better on the 90s than now Gilbert tripping 😂
I agree but im sure he meant that as in the all around game. Back then they used to have these musicians actually playing live instruments to record a song and now it’s easier to do that with producers and beat makers
@@mohammedelmahdi1892 I feel you I think he meant it’s evolved which it has but for the worst lol
I would love to see Gil on espn dude keeps it 100
They wouldn’t dare 😂😂😂
He would look like a fool. His understanding is quite off for a guy who played the game.
You guys should watch the "Odd Couple" take on this
These old heads would hate it
@@dadillonful Gil articulates himself at a 5th grade level. You probably do the same. He is embarrassing us.
Agent 0 would get physically man handled bye any guard who played in the 90s lol
Exactly
Yes I prefer my basketball to be half MMA as well
how marbury was considered a ball hog always bugged me. dude averaged 8 assist for a good portion of his career.
@DieuJose LeManifique 8 assists = no ball hog
@DieuJose LeManifique explain how he was a ball hog then.
@DieuJose LeManifique anyone who averages near 8 assists isn’t a ball hog except for maybe harden although that’s the result of his system
@DieuJose LeManifique there are guards who hold on to the ball just as much if not more than Marbury and they werent averaging 8 assist most of their career. And all point guards in that era had the ball the most. So grays a moot point.
He was on my fav team for several years he was a BALLHOG I saw it first hand
What everyone is missing is that the players from the 90's would adapt to this era if they had the opportunity.... You can't compare different eras that had different rules and ways of plying the game.... Players of any pro sports are highly competitive, so of course they'll have confidence to win in any era.... This generation would be successful in the the 90's.... The 90's generation would do good in this era.... Both would just have to adjust to the rules in place.
90s defense went up against basic-ahh offense. just your-turn-my-turn type of bs. no wonder they only talk about 90s defense and never talk about 90s offense.
Gilbert had the caplock on in this one. Lol
At the end 90 scoring average per game was around 91,6 ppg . In the beginning 2000 defense system got even tighter. You just need to see what Detroit Pistons did to Shaq and Kobe at the finals in 2003. What Gilbert doesn’t understand is that 90s players are not saying modern players couldn’t be stars, but they wouldn’t have modern statistics inflation. Nowadays up to 50 players average 20+ points. Even Damian Lillard confirmed after 2021 Japan Olympics that even international basketball is more difficult to score. It’s a fact that if you eliminate all defense tools a player had in the past, you just unbalanced the game.
Facts scoring use to be low as hell back in the day
You know the pace was higher during the peak years of Isiah, Magic and Bird than it is today? If you adjust stats per 100 Duncan is actually a better scorer than Bird.
Yet the 80e is considered the best era. The old heads aren’t complaining about stats they’re complaint about rules and styles but so little research and provide little past sound bites
@@hardwoodthought1213 exactly. old heads respect how the game has evolved technically. what they are just trying to say, and from my point of view, unsuccessfully, is that nowadays we have a big stats inflation. And by the way, I am starting to like way more NCAA basketball. Harder to play, more strategy, more intense.
Great reference with Dame and the Olympics. Nba had to change the rules again cuz they clearly saw how much of an advantage they were giving nba players that other parts of the world weren't. Coincidentally foreign stars are now running the league. It hasn't been kyrie, kd, kawhi getting mvps lately. It's been foreigners for 3 straight years now. More coming in every yr. Foreigners used to be the skill guys who were great individuals, now it's reverse and they the tougher guys who play better team ball
@@danielmarbella1197 it's not just about numbers. Focusing on stats are actually messing the game up. Back then guys didn't play to become the leading scorer, assist guy, rebounder or be the youngest to certain stats. They just played and collected them on the way to trying to win. But it's really about things as simple as competitive nature and sound fundamental/ smart basketball. I don't see how jacking up deep 3s early in the shot clock, not rim running on fast breaks and camping at the 3 pt line, not digging in defensively to at least make a guy use 3 or 4 counter moves to beat you.. hell even smart strategy to attack the best player and get them in foul trouble early to throw their/the teams rhythm off... simple things. College ball definitely still possesses that and is way better than nba basketball
"Defense don't win championships" - a nigga who never won a championship.
Gilbert capping right now. Not every PG in that era was small. GP was big as was Rod Strickland, Derek Harper, Doc Rivers, Penny Hardaway, Jason Kidd. Rod was the smallest at 6'3"
None of them had 2 guard skills except Penny and he couldnt shoot past mid range... these dudes today are huge and versatile. It’s a pretty big skill gap between now and then... evolution.
Thank you Gil cappin hard af lol he's just talking
@@Enarjay7891 that wasn't the point man. He was talking about how small they were. If you can't keep up, sit this one out man
@@Enarjay7891 that’s all it is and they don’t wanna accept that
Joe Ingles fuckin plays in this Era. And they think players like Toni Kukoc, Vlade Divac, Nick Van Exel and Tim Hardaway Sr cant. Tim Hardaway Sr would be a star in this league if he plays in this Era. Nick van Exel would smoke them soft guards. Vlade would play like Jokic or Sabonis Role. Even Peja Stojakovic would be a Star in this league.
Pippen was 6'8
Rodman Stopped Shaq.
They aint Little guards.
Everyone saw how PJ Tucker stopped KD.
This guys are capping
PJ stopped KD? What are you smoking?
Pippen realistically 66 215 not 68 230.
@@justinlevy274 pippen was almost 6’9”. Jordan was 6’6”. Get yourself a pair of glasses
@@manan612 cap
thank you for saying it 🎉👏🏽 somebody had to
I wouldn't say it's the players it's the calls and the fact that you can't play defense makes the game soft and less skilled offensively
now is literally the most skilled era offensively, and not even close
Players today are 10x more skilled than they were in the 90’s bruh
@@mrow1391 how are they more skilled when there are lots of travels that aren't being called, nobody boxes out, big men can't post up, way too many players play defense with their hands instead of their feet and so on.
If by skills you mean jumping higher or running faster then that's not basketball skills. thats athleticism
@@mrow1391 I don’t know if I can fully agree with you bro. Even in this video Gil is explaining that the coaches required certain play styles due to tradition. There were 6’7-6’10 guys who could handle the ball and pass but had to play in the post or be a power forward.
Most skilled?? Lol u must be born in the 2000s. Fundamentals are lacking in this era.
The issue with this is that if the player back then, were playing in this era, they would be in the same shape and had the same experience from watching guys before them as these guys today, it would make everything moot
Players back then wouldn’t be good enough to be in the league
@@dadillonful if they were born in this era, they would be
Skill level my ass. The only thing they do better than the 90’s is shoot 3’s. It’s so strange now that today if your 3 point shot is off you lose by 30 points.
And cross up I grew up watching young curry old Kobe Memphis grizzled w tony Allen and these 2 guys their era and today’s era is nothing a like
He said Chuck dribbled the ball 42 times 🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
what nobody is really talking about is how the entire league has become great. You don’t have that one team that’s just extra trash. All these young dudes are hungry and can shoot and have skills .
same thing with a lot of the role players, you cant put people on the floor who cant score or guard multiple positions like you used to