Gilbert Arenas FLAMES The 1980's NBA 🔥
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ย. 2024
- Gilbert Arenas FLAMES The 1980's NBA calling it the Easiest Era to play in as everyone besides Magic Johnson, Larry Bird and Julius Irving were addicted to the booger sugar. He also details how players like Bill Lambier could never play defense in today's NBAand NEVER would have been drafted.
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Gilbert said the stars would be great in any era but that the other guys wouldn’t. Can’t say he’s wrong.
Others guys in this era not better than some other guys in the 80s. It depends on how team is built to really say the others is better or worse. When most people say guys in this era is better its just based off athletic ability and not skill.
@@SmittyEGEvery bench/role player today is more advanced and skilled than most starters in the 80s no debate
@@KpDeezlythey could possibly be dumber as well. Chucking up 3s is considered a good shot and skilled today by some
@@js1241with the training and technology current bench players have, they wouldnt need to chuck 3s they would be bullying them 80s guys. Part time janitors and firefighters
@@js1241saying stuff like that immediately removes you from conversation with any bit of credibility…. Really? Just chucking things up? Yet still have better shooting percentages then these guys in 80s you idolize…
Remember how bad your middle school basketball games were and how bad everyone was .. go today and watch a middle school game they’re miles beyond previous generations.. same with nba basketball to
That's why LeBron is better than MJ
@GiottoX - not mine my middle school players made the league
Gil kept asking for rob Parker’s name got my cryinggggg😂😂😂
Lmao that was the best part 🤣
The disrespect had me rolling 🤣🤣💀💀
😂🤭
🤣🤣🤣
He sounded so convincing that he didn’t know his name too, that was the funny part. 🤣🤣🤣
I usually disagree with Gil on alot but he's was definitely right about MJ/Hakeem being more 90s players than 80s...and yesss somebody said it, Hakeem was in his prime versus a young Shaq and he still put in work even tho they lost....
this nigga crazy jordan a 80s player he was his greatest in the 90s. thats like saying lebron is a 2010 players because that when he started winning even though he came in 03 his logic is flawed
Hakeem got to the Finals in his second season. Beat the Lakers that just won 4-1 in the WCF in 86
I said USUALLY DISAGREE with him on his takes...but when he said MJ/Hakeem are more 90s players than 80s is because most of their accomplishments/titles are in the 90s...
Exactly, look at MJ's Stat sheet and notice that his best stats are in the 80s. By 1989, MJ was in his prime. The Bulls just weren't in their prime in the 80, because they got sonned by the Pistons and Celtics.
@@bob88667nah. He’s saying the general talent level increases with each era and he’s right. He always gives superstars their due. We all know Magic and Bird can walk in today (in their prime) and dominate. Especially since their games weren’t built around athleticism. But The next tier of all stars would be coming off the bench.
Magic, Kareem, Bird, Dr J, Moses Malone, Dr J, Drexler, Jordan, Barkley, Isaiah Thomas, Domonique Wilkins, McHale, Olajuwon, Adrain Darnley, George Gervin, Alex English, Bernard King, Michael Ray Richardson Ralph Sampson, MarkcAguire,Drexler
U named Drexler twice but ok
Coz that's how high he was@@zachmorgan6982
There’s only about 6-7 names here who wouldn’t get absolutely spanked in today’s era, or even in the 2000s
This was one of the funniest segments in a while. And, I remember that segment when Rob and Chris went at Gil. Gil went and chopped it up with them on their show later, so it's all love.
ion even have to watch this to know Gil was on here talking like he a 10 year all NBA All-Star instead of a fool that had a few good seasons
@@hooligan5381u tweaking
@@wobble- you tweaking thinking Gilbert was actually a superstar player but go off
@@wobble- never knew playing 40 mpg avg’ 29 was elite and can’t say his team was bad crap Shai avg. 31 playing 35 mpg and got his team to 40 wins gilbert washington teams never won more than 42 games mid tiers talking like superstars i hate it
@@hooligan5381I agree. He was good and was clutch every now and then. I know he had injuries but it is hard to argue superstar level. Elite a few seasons for sure.
Anyone that thinks the 80s or 90s was easy doesn't need to talk basketball. The 80s and 90s was the toughest Era to win. 80 was dominated by 2 teams, Celtics and Lakers. Todays NBA is more Hype, players are alllowed to travel just so they can jack up 3s These same players lose in Olympic Basketball to countries that might have 5 NBA players😂😂😂
YOU SHOULD STOP TALKING basketball...
Lakers & Celts was stacked also
I don't always agree with everything Gil says, but I always know that he's saying what he really thinks, and it's almost always fun to think about. And I tend to trust him on who was acting up, when, and how. I think if anyone's an expert it's him.
I keep hearing this whole “todays player” skill argument. Yet there is footage of Dominique Wilkins doing the euro step in the 80s. But the refs called it a travel. There’s footage of Isaiah Thomas dribbling the ball with 1!! finger. There’s footage of bill Russell jumping over a man clean in a game(same thing Vince Carter and lebron did).
Those are the top guys. They average players didn’t have those skills. Nowadays u must have those skills to even be considered for college. Kids can euro now.
It's just different rules, not everyone is gonna care to do a euro step if it will be called a travel in the 80s. I dont understand why people don't get that
@@mjgould1192 my point being 1) players back then obviously could do it physically 2) the rules didn’t allow them to. So maybe it’s not the players but the rules. Especially freedom of movement, hand/ball placement while dribbling, unlimited step back(James harden). Imo it’s not that the players have gotten better it’s more so the rules have gotten looser and the iq of the game has mostly left.
@@t-god2439 you are delusional if you think they we’re capable. Go back and refresh your memory on some 80s games. Average teams only. Dr.J did a normal reverse and they said could fly. Magic said and I quote “it was the greatest basketball move” he ever saw. It would be a normal reverse today but was spectacular back then. They weren’t capable. Players today shoot from half court. Shooting improved tremendously and so did dribbling.
@@mjgould1192 lmao bro it’s not how he dunked it’s the way he dunked. If you go look at Jordan, Clyde, David Thompson, dr j, and Dominique there hang time was crazy it’s not like today when most players just straight up and down so fast like when Clyde dunks it literally looks like he’s gliding it’s the combination of grace and power to dunk hard yet make it look silky smooth is HARD
Gils logic holds up. Even think about Jokic, started in 2015 i count him mainly as a 2020's player. All his MVPS and his prime came in there once everything came together.
he’s a 2020 Rik Smits
@@oldheed515Maybe 2020 Sabonis but in shape
@@oldheed515 idiotic
But in the 90 s joker wouldn’t be doin all dat. He would be wore out havin to actually play defense against centers who actually took u in the paint and abused you.
@@g-mode5047 Thats really dumb logic. Nobody else would be doing the same things in other eras too, because the game was different. You judge people based on what they do in their era, not what they would HYPOTHETICALLY do in other eras.
"What's his name again" is killing me 😂😂😂
That's why he's a hater
Lmao dudes was balling in chuck Taylors after having a few beers at halftime 😂😂😂 THEY AINT MAKING IT
They would still make it. They were better then people give them credit for
@@the_dark_knight5140nahhhhh. I disagree. Their defense is overrated. They never say how good the defense was as whole, only that it was physical. They would foul when the offensive player broke past them and the game allowed it. You keep their athleticism in todays game and only a handful would make it. I feel more confident in saying todays nba players has the talent to be on a team in the 80s. I can’t say the same for the 80s to now. That’s 40 years the game has changed. Imagine any big back then trying to guard a center/ power forward from today.
@coreyneugent9758 the Centers back then would destroy any center today dude. Ewing and Robinson would eat any center today. They would dominate big time. Imagine a center today trying to guard Ewing or Robinson. Those 2 would destroy any of today's centers
@coreyneugent9758 , dude you have no clue what you are talking about. There are many players from the 80s that would destroy players today
@the_dark_knight5140 Have to agree. Notice the league now is having trouble stopping guys like Jokic and Luka. They play 80s style ball.
Guards: Isaiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, Sidney Moncrief, Mark Price, Clyde Drexler, Dennis Johnson, Byron Scott, Michael Cooper, George Gervin, Michael Ray Richardson
Forwards: Dr J,Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Marques Johnson, Terry Cummings, James Worthy, AC Green, Mark Aguirre, Adrian Dantly, Bernard King, Alex English
Centers: Kareem, Moses Malone, Mark Eaton, Bill Laimbeer, Ralph Sampson, Robert Parrish, Artis Gilmore.
I’m sure i’m still missing some players. Don’t sleep on the 80s.
I got the 90' and 2000's as the golden era. Way too many game changers
the 2000's are so weak though, statistically the worst basketball era of all time
@@soochsosah thats why the game change to create more rules for the guards to play better and easy
Guaranteed I can name way more top 25 players from the 2000's than any era
I got 7-8 out the 2000's
4 outta the 2010
4 outta the 90's
And the rest 80's and under
@@soochsosah wtf are you talking about. The 2000s was the best defensive era in nba history.
TBH if you believe Gil's argument then Jordan can't be the GOAT because the 2000's were so much harder.
They were all on "coke" yet they mostly played all 82 games and there was no load management.
Booger sugar is definitely a performance enhancer.
😂 they were load managing aight
@@blunt2416 cocaine's a helluva drug.
Because nobody was cutting or setting screens. Every play is everyone standing around the basket literally. Nothing compared to today's game.
He said they was so high they don't remember playing with Jordan I'm crying 😭
By his definition, Shaq can be considered a 90's player since he was drafted in 92
He explained this - Shaq made 3rd All-Star Team of the 90s but 1st All-Star Team of the 2000s.
no that by your own definition, you clearly didn't understand what he stated wtf
@solaodebunmi9492 i said can be considered. Statistically Shaq dominated the 90's longer than he did the 2000's. His MVP came in the 1999-2000 season and his 1st team selections came when it was no longer competition at the center position compared to the 90's. I picked Shaq specifically because his "prime" is short in the 2000's. He just played more years in the 2000's vs the 90's.
@@daeshawnkemp879 but what year did he get the 3 peat and 3 time finals mvp, inside 00's. shaq was named in the 50 greatest of all time in '96 and he stated himself that they got him early because what if he didn't get the 3peat in the 00's.
You don't have to play the whole decade to be an all decade player 🤦
the booger sugar 💀💀💀😭😭😭
Bill Laimbeer shoots 3s and is one of the original stretch 5s. He is a good midrange shooter, plus a decent passer and 6ft11. He be good in this era even without offense.
The issue with tryin to bring players from back then to today is the game has evolved drastically the skill level is too advanced..it’s a different sport now, u can’t plug these guys in immediately & they make an impact..u could only do that with a select few & even then they would need to adjust..the rest would need months in the gym to actually recondition their bodies & adapt to the skill gap by restructuring there games to mesh with the modern era, whether people want to admit it or not
@A2Wealthy the skill level isn't really astronomically higher today...the rules changed in order to show off a player's skill.
@@Mr10before9 the game has evolved drastically that’s not true..watch tape from previous eras & compare it to now it’s not only rule changes..it’s different training regimens, creativity, the game expanding internationally, the eye test drastically changing in the last 30-35 years..look at what Gil said back then they picked anyone, now u only draft 60 players a year and over a quarter of the players either get sent down to the G League or are out the league in a couple of years, proof is literally in our faces people jus can’t accept it
@@Mr10before9true.. if the dribbling rules didn't change today's era will still look like the 80s
You on that sugar also if you bill would be a threat for anyone in this era 😂😂😂 someone like joe ingles would torch most of the 70’s and 80 players!
I agree with Everything Gil said. EXCEPT… not putting Tmac at the Top of that 2000’s list and “saying off the bench” that’s blasphemous
Who was tmac starting over??? Not Kobe, not Iverson, not ray Allen, not even Paul Pierce... These guys played elite in the playoffs . T Mac never made it out the second round
Crazy thing is he said top 24 and only named 18 players, I'd add Manu, Jason Kidd and Ben Wallace to that list as well
Reginald Williams I would take healthy tmac over ray Allen any day
@@jacobslinalx89 did you see what Milwaukee bucks ray Allen did by himself ?? Did you not see Seattle ray Allen??? All these guy played elite basketball in the playoffs... Ray has 2 rings.. and was a major factor in both.. tmac was a scorer but it never equates to wins.. Iverson went to a finals by himself.. we know what D wade did... Vince Carter went to 2 conference finals by himself.. but tmac couldn't never ever ever ever get out of the second round
@@jacobslinalx89you’d take highlights over results basically lol
This is why i love watching this channel he keeps it100 and he played so his point of view matters and is credible
Just bc he played, that doesn't mean he knows knows.
@@immovableobject6851 He knows more than you because he's in the locker room withNBA guys. In the locker room with all-stars during the all-star week. He talks to the owner of the team, which is a billionaire. He grew up in the league. He wasn't a bum he won the most improved player was All NBA and was considered the top 5 SG early 00s. He loves the game so much that he has a podcast talking about basketball. He's like 40 he knows knows. You just delusional
@@bhavikification Gilbert was a PG his whole career. He had a fantastic but short prime, but injuries ruined his career to the point he was unplayable and amnestied/cut instead of playing him. Bill Laimbeer was a better player and had a better career than Gilbert Arenas. Gil does not have the resume to back up the Laimbeer slander, Laimbeer was even a better shooter than Gil lmao.
@@PeteringYT We can agree to disagree. You’re right about career wise Bill beats Gil. He had a longer career. I think Gil is better because he was on 3 All NBA team which is very important in basketball. It’s saying he was on top of the league in his position. I can see how Bill can beat Gil. You must admit Bill couldn’t drop 60 on Kobe as Gilbert did. You have to admit Gil was a better shooter than Bill
@@bhavikification Gil had 3-4 good years in his career. Bill was a double double elite defender majority of his career. He had no chance to win all NBA since the league had Hakeem, Kareem, Shaq, Moses Malone, Ewing, Robinson, etc fighting for those TWO spots (Third team did not come out until 88-89, which was AFTER Bill's all star seasons). Gilbert has one NBA second team, and two third team awards. Bill has 4 all stars to Gil's three. Bill wasn't a scorer like Gil, it wasn't his job, but he still ended his career with more points scored than Gil lol
Yeah, this guy is a genius! Every offensive set in the modern game: shoot three’s no matter what.
Guys - we live in a time when Austin Reeves regularly puts up 20+ points a game, and that's nothing against him, he's solid - point being, smart and skilled players thrive in any era. Luka and so many others have said that today's era is easy to score in. This is the same "Gil" who used to say Kathi Leonard was overrated and not a good defender. The same "Agent Zero" who would take Jamal Crawford over Ginobili and said Ginobili was not a top 5 sixth man ever. The same Gil who left poop in his own teammates shoes and brought guns to the locker room.
That´s why dumbo gil was on the wizards and what has he ever won?
You’re ad hominem fallacy doesn’t address the core point Gil is making. Do better.
Jamal Crawford would buss manu ass tho
who tf is Kathy? argument is null and void after that
Austin reaves avg 13 a game
Except the stars today just lost to an unathletic center drafted 41. No other era saw a 2nd round pick win two MVPs and lead a team to a title.
Bingo lol. Man, Ewing and Robinson would have dominated Jokic big time.
Yep, all these athletic and more skilled than ever players let a slow, unathletic, white brother at that, dominate their asses...And, it's funny how many skilled athletic players still don't want to give him props Yokic could have played in the 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's with his current game. and the skill level is
@AfrikanLifestyle , I'm not sure about that. Kareem would have dominated him and so would have Artil Gilmore. Moses Malone would have killed Jokic and then you bring in Ewing, Robinson, Hakeem, and Shaq, Jokic would have been lunch meat for those guys
@@the_dark_knight5140 I agree, but, that was then and this is now. He's shining and killing today's talent. His numbers were better than the rest in the playoffs. So what does that say about the rest of the competition. You know, the ones who have more "skill" than he does?
@AfrikanLifestyle , oh I agree with you. I think it shows there isn't really any skilled big man in the league today. Teams are more focused on getting guards and wing men, that they forget the center is still a valuable position. To get dominated by someone who can barely jump, doesn't run fast, and most of the time, looks like he throws the ball up there and hopes it goes in, that should be an embarrament to everyone else out there
If Jokic and Luka played in the 80s and dominated(like they are today) people would say it was because of the lack of competition, lol.
Im going to be brutally honest. Take some of the worst players today and drop them in the 80’s and their at least all stars. That’s the truth. That’s not a problem though, that’s the natural progression of any sport and it’s gonna continue like that for as long as sports exist or till humans max out their physical potential. Which I think sports would probably cease to exist first because science is full of surprises. The players of back then wouldn’t even be able to keep up with modern players practices and drills much less in an actual game.
Luka wouldnt dominate shit in the 80's.. He's an offensive player and the 80's were about contact.. he would've gotten muscled and punched in the face several times.. He's not physical enough to be productive in the 80's, European player came of the bench in the 80's.
@@MrJthompson40 Luka would break Wilts records if he was dropped into the 80’s.
@@roverjohnson6854 you absolutely have no clue what you're talking about, he can't even Break Wilts record now, how would he break wilts record in the 80s when they were hand checking?? The game was way too physical... LeBron had a physical aspect to driving to the Lane in order to break Wilt record, Luka is a very one-dimensional scorer.. he's not athletic at all..lol
@@MrJthompson40 The thing is Luka would be considered athletic if he was in the 80’s. He looks slow against players now, but he wouldn’t look slow against 80’s players. All that hand-checking wouldn’t mean nothing because players wouldn’t even be able to stay in front of him. Every time they try to hand to hand-check they gonna learn you reach I teach.
The nba is the only league where a large segment of fans think that the current players regressed from 30/40 years ago
Such a weird argument. Jordan couldn't even beat the 80s teams. Then he dominated the entire 90s decade.
Top teams ... but the bottom teams it's true
It's players from the 80's that was a bucket then and would give guys in this era buckets and not with 3 point shots, Alex English, Ricky Pierce, Jeff Malone, Marques Johnson, Sidney Moncrief, Andrew Tony, KiKi Vandeweghe, Darrell Griffith, Mark Aguire, Rolondo Blackmon, Kelly Tripucka, Eddie Johnson, Terry Cummings, Dale Ellis, Mike Mitchell, Walter Davis, Nornman Nixon, Otis Birdsong, Adrian Dantley. Mark Price Everybody was not on Booger Sugar. They had all those Rounds in the draft back then True but most of those guys in the 2nd round and later did not play for the team that drafted them or play in the league. #dantana773 #intellectuallyignorant
Thing is there's guys from the 80's who werent that special like Mark Price or Danny Ainge who would be jacking up 3's today and probably be a 2nd or 3rd option as well. It's just different. You can get by today with less athleticism and size
@@poocrayon4588 mark price was a special player he had game. Ya need to check ya facts. He had a jumper, handles and threw dimes finished at the rim. He was the first player to split the double team with the dribble. Danny ainge yeah he was average and could shoot you right about him but mark price was solid and would eat in this era
@@poocrayon4588 th-cam.com/users/shortsM4lfv3Cd8cA?feature=share
I kno every player on that list game & some wouldnt been a walkin bucket.. They would have to to adjust there game.. Alex English would be a Stretch Four or Center in this Era
@@Dantana773you sure KNOW your ball
It’s funny that he picked Laimbeer because he’s a guy that still WOULD have made the league, even if it was only 2 rounds. Would’ve made it as an undrafted player. You just saw a team with 4 undrafted players make the Finals in todays game. Bill could shoot, had a high motor, and an extremely high basketball IQ. There’s a reason he was a winner. Carried over to coaching too, leading multiple teams to WNBA titles. Deserved a chance to coach in the NBA but he burned so many bridges as a player, if it wasn’t gonna be coaching the Pistons, no other franchise was gonna touch him.
And today's NBA would have a flagrant 2 every game and suspended half the season.
You know nothing about basketball 😂
He would get suspended for his actions 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
listening is fundamental, he said he wouldn’t play today or 2000’s .
"I shouldn't have said sugar"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Leaving Tracy Mcgrady out of that 2000 list is crime! How Gilbert could skip over him is crazy!
That “sugar Leonard” was perfectly timed😂
A clinic by himself 😂😂😂 I’m dead son
Shaq was 90s as well since he played 7 years in the 90s that would meet the criteria in Gil’s logic . He just won more in the 2000s
j.g krkfggggg
in 90s shaq already in top 50, so yes shaq is a 90s players too
When u break it down even 7 years in the 90s win nothing , then 7 years into tho 2000s he has 4 rings and 3 mvp finals and a mvp
@@joeymannyyep was on 50 greatest players list in only his 4 years in league. I don't like this Arenas guy
Accusing an NBA superstar of not knowing ball, all the while, you just watch basketball… that’s wild to me
Bad example. That's like saying cause you were a player you can be a coach. They're not equivalent. You can know basketball without playing and you can play basketball without knowing shit.
@@CapnKrunk123you mfs in the comments don’t know more about basketball than the vet nba players.
This is a basketball fallacy that's already been debunked decades ago. Being a superstar player don't automatically mean you have a full understanding of the game, it just means you're better than most guys at playing it. Michael Jordan who is the greatest player ever for most people is a testament to this, he dominated the game as a player but he's notorious for being a horrible GM.
@@CapnKrunk123 not the same at all, knowing a sport is completely different then saying you can coach. Coaching is more than simply knowing the sport so that comparison doesn’t work
What about Perkins? He's a vet NBA player? Yet everybody is clowning him even his peers.
It’s always cool to here someone say the truth. And basketball wasn’t the only sport like that at the time.
Yea mlb was kinda weak back then too
It’s not the truth tho lol Gil never played in the 80s so how the hell would he know. If the 80s were so easy then anybody would’ve been in the nba back then
He was an nba guard lol. He knows what he’s talking about.
@@djeman2525 he never played ball in the 80s NBA tho he’s going off of what he’s heard just like the rest of us
@@KDubb-ws9zcclearly he’s never seen the strength and endurance of someone high off coke 🤣🤣
Wild to say they can’t play in 00s cause they can’t shoot. Yet we had Thabo and Roberson alone on the same team in the 10s
That team had 3 of the greatest scorers of the generation plus ibaka. Stop
Gary the idiot
Laimbeer is too slow? Is Jokic ant faster on Defense?
*Jokic solidified himself as one of the best Centers ever don’t bring Laimbeer up with Jokic. If Laimbeer was a 3rd round pick then the chances of him making the NBA in the 2000s would be slim. Jokic offense would make up for any defensive lapses never bring his game up again with Laimbeer in your life*
Jokic isn't one of the best centers ever. He's dominant on the offensive side of the ball, but offers nothing on the defensive end. Jokic's defensive ineptness is covered up by the fact that zone defense is played in today's game, if he played in the 80's, he'd get exposed.
@@faitaccompli5878 *14 centers in the history of the NBA to win MVP and Jokic is one of them cut your crap goofball. The talent disparity was so crazy back in the day that 4 of those centers on the list kept winning MVP over and over so imagine if Jokic played back then he’d have 4 MVP already. GIVE HIM THE RESPECT HE DESERVES HE WAS SUPPOSED TO 3 PEAT AS MVP BUT WE SEE THEY FELT BAD FOR EMBID*
*YOU SOUND STUPID DID YOU NOT JUST HEAR HIM SAY MOST OF THE PLAYERS WERE ON COKE HOW WOULD HE GET EXPOSED. PLAYERS IN TODAYS GAME ARE MORE ADVANCED OFFENSIVELY THAN BACK THEN SO HE WOULD NOT HAVE MORE TROUBLE GUARDING IN THE 80s. MANY OF THE BIG MEN BACK THEN WERE BACK TO THE BASKET PLAYERS SO JOKIC WOULD FIT RIGHT IN GOOFBALL THATS HIS STYLE OF PLAY*
@@jeremyjones2485
Firstly, don't name call, I didn't disrespect you, so give me the same courtesy. Secondly, winning an MVP doesn't solidify a person as being one the elite players to ever play their position. Steve Nash won two MVPs, but when you talk about the greatest point guards of all- time, no one mentions his name. Jokic is lucky enough to play in an era, with zone defense. If he had to play man to man defense, against elite post players in the 80's like Kareem, Hakeem, Ewing, McHale, etc., he'd have problems.
Bill lamber could play in this era. That really proves he really doesn't or isn't a historian of basketball. Reason why is bill could shoot it isn't predicted on defense fouls..
95% of the white athletes back then would not play....Bill one of them.
He wasn't no Kevin McHale
@@southernflavamaker Mark Price could play, Bird could play McHale could play, Stockton could play, Hornaceck could play, Bill walton could play, Eaton could play, Paxon could play. What're we talking about right now...
@@southernflavamakerwell bill was streght 5
@@remnant8898you got alot more white boys to name playa. Its just simple knowledge as people evolve most players from 50-40 YEARS AGO WOULDNT HOLD A CANDLE TO TODAYS PLAYERS
@@remnant8898 if Stockton had Malone, Hornecek avg 9 pts, no
Eaton 7 foot' slow inches, that's a strong no
Paxson? Lmao I'd pick Craig Ehlo sorry azz.....Bill lamibeer? Lmao man y'all are on fire today lol
It's Bird.....then a long list of black athletes before you find another
When Gil said "golden shit" that was funny asf😭😭😭
The same way 80s defense wouldn’t work today but todays defense wouldn’t work back then either
Gilbert is ranked 309th all time in scoring..... the drunks from the 70's and 80's put up more buckets than he did 🤷🏾♂️
Bill Laimbeer was great player in play in the 3 finals so well and he was much beyond a violent player .Im about 56 and Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars use to be fundamentals players and great mind .This young man must be crazy.
the stars would be stars, but everyone else? (borderline-all stars and below) they would barely scratch a g league roster.
those 2 were the main engines so they ran on the best diets and training, everyone else was violent cokeheads, thats why the name bad boy pistons came to be
I swear….the peanut size brains on y’all. How many men on a roster and how many players at one time on the court? Think.
Lol what bro bill laimbeer was just a fucking body guard for the real players like zeke and dumars. They were knocking people down left and right ain't no skills used about that at all gtfo outta here old head.
Gilbert arenas weird don't pay him any mind
Man Dr jr was the 1st super ⭐
Pistol, Pete, Bernard king Larry Bird, and Magic Johnson, Kareem, Abdul-Jabbar would be a solid team in any era of basketball just my opinion for the 80’s Isaiah Thomas reggie Lewis Dominique Wilkins Doctor J Julius Erving Moses Malone Sidney moncrief walt Frazier mannnnn Gilbert arenas who you was naming who y’all stopping again
These mthrfckers doesn't know how to play with hand check rules. Even Shaq would be in foul trouble every single game if he played today. The defense in 80s, 90s and early 20s are not honest they include so much holding and grabbing which in todays nba is not allowed and the calls they gave to this instances are so fcking thin to the point that someone just raises their hand and not actually contest the shot sometimes get foul calls.
You're only mentioning the handful of great players of that era and not the vast majority of the league. That was Gil is saying. Case in point: Outside of 80s guards like Isiah and Magic, who else were top point guards that were in their prime in the mid to late 80s.
Man I love Gil’s honesty and blunt ness. So 🔥🔥👌👌
Gil is dumba**
Recklessness...not honesty
What kinda b!tch brags about eating pussy?
Honesty ?!?!
Gilbert delivers a lot of cap and uninformed young fans just eat it up.
There are a group of players from the 80s that I know would make it but overall Gil isn’t wrong. Isaiah, Magic, Bird, Moses,, Worthy, and others would make it but the league is harder now than it was in the 80s
Listening to players now bad mouth players like Bird or Magic is like listening to the players from the 80's bad mouth players now. If Bird or Magic played now they would each have at least two MVP' and two rings.
They don’t realize Gil gave the outline on building a winning team
They just have to realize if those people grew up today they would all be playing different. It’s dumb to compare the eras because everything even the training is different. The amount of kids that grow up playing and parents that can afford to take them to camps has increased so more people means there will likely be a higher pool of great players.
Correct. The "M.J " Goat. Toughest match up was players like Joe Dumars & Mitch Richmond players who didn't dunk and 6 3'. Not a player profile like Kawiai, K.D, Kobe , McGrady, Vince Carter. But he is better than LeBron....
They didn’t grow up today tho they are what they are you can’t just compare off of hypothetical bs
Old school 80's basketball was about passing and ball movement. This is why the 2014 Spurs played the best basketball we've seen in the modern era. It's old school basketball. You can't beat that.
Thats wrong. Spurs shoot a lot of 3s that year.
@@deejaay387 But so did a lot of other teams. It was their passing that differentiated them
@@omez23 are you serious? They play a lot of low ppst back then. The ball movement is better rn look at denver and warriors. The off the ball movement is better rn. Back then its more on iso.
@@deejaay387 You are totally wrong. Back then it was all about moving the ball around and getting the open shot. Today's game is all about iso. You have it backwards.
@@omez23 bruh? Theres literally an interview of lebron talking about that. I guess you are more knowledgeable. HAHAHA the spacing and off ball movement is way better today. Back then they cant shoot it was all clogged in the paint thats why its more of an midrange post up and iso.
The internet effected everything. If social media was around in the same capacity during 80s, 90s, and even into the early 2000’s… the league is completely different.
You literally named 12 players from your era. Then when you got to the 80 you named 1 player Michael Ray Richardson. That’s crazy
If you look at the history of drafts. Only around 50-60 in the drafts that had multiple rounds played in the NBA from the 80s to the 90s.
So it was the same number of players who played regardless of the number of those drafted
Named the top 24 players of the 2000s and didnt name vince and tmac.
Had the nerve to forget them but include baron davis
I think the current NBA is toughest, with frieght trains like LBJ, Giannis, and the rising of Victor who blocks every shot in the paint. Sure, the 80's had giys cheap shotting you, elbows, low blows, but, that aint basketball. They had to do that to make up for lack of talent back then.
It's the times. Woke society is making all sports softer. Can't even tackle a QB in football anymore.
Drexler according to your words would fall into the category of a 90s player being that him and Hakeem and Clyde played at the same college came out at the same time bro there is the hole in your story
Gils take on the decades is spot on
it's utter nonsense... he's basically saying go by hard round numbers of a decade instead of employing THE BARE FUCKING MINIMUM of common sense and context...
hopefully he's never in charge of important decisions of anything anywhere ever
This is proof that being a former NBA player doesn't always mean you know ball.
You gotta be dumb he literally gave facts that you can look up for yourself 🤦🏾♂️
Yeah,this dude is a true fuckin imbecile. Consistently,too
What proof are you speaking of?
@@roll451 countless clips of Arenas talking nonsense, here on yt
@@nanox4this is not one of those
You about to have kids born in the 00s defend the 80s
GTFOH and go sit down 💯
Gil trippin Shaq is a 90s player lbs and regardless if he was only 3 years in he was voted an NBA Top 50 before the 2000s even hit that shows how great he was
I disagree with Gilbert on Jordan not being a 80s player. He couldn’t even name a SG better than Jordan in the 80s.
Gilbert is a little slow but speaks with supreme confidence 😂.If you make 5 all star games and win mvp in the 80’s , you also apart of the 80’s.
2000s vs current era would be a good match. PHYSICALITU VS. SKILLSETS.
It really depends on rules but who y'all got
To Hand check or not to Hand check. I would of love to see how todays scorers react to the Hand check Defense. Even the Greatest were getting Hand checked and perceiver.
@@jiovanysoltero923 the ability to hand check a guy and reroute them was huge to the defense. I don't think today players ( the skinny ones built like Durant) could hang. They are not built for that level of physicality. It's really hard to compare but no way they would put up the stats they do.
I got current. 2000’s era low-key been outclassed since around 2016-2018. Still an amazing era though.
@@roverjohnson6854 Current era is easy to beat thats why they cant play the FIBA style of play, Luka and Giannis already told that its easier to play in the NBA rather than FIBA?Euro style, but for the old guys the euro style is just tuesday
@@joeymanny FIBA players not as good as NBA players. Most def not.
80’s players : Julius Erving , Magic , Larry ,Kevin Mchale , Isiah Thomas, Dominique Wilkins ,Moses Malone, Kareem,Michael Jordan , James Worthy,Hakeem Olajuwon, George Gervin , Alex English , Sydney Moncreif, Bernard King ,Mark Aguirre, Joe Dumars ,Adrian Darnley etc….
Jordan and Hakeem were drafted in the 80s but they had majority of the success in the 90s. They are 90s players.
Paul George would give them all buckets.
@@moneymoney3235And only playing 20 games a season
2020 players, lebron, curry, Giannias, jokic, embid, Zion, ja, luka. Paul George, Kawhi, Tatum, harden, AD> more skill, more jaw dropping. Better scorers and shot creators, shoot deeper. Bigger, faster, quicker. Fox would look like an alien if he played in the 80s. Westbrook would be an alien in the 80s. Ja. Paul George, Lebron, Kevin Durant would look like the god in the 80s a 7 ft shooter like that. Kawhi too damn big would clamp up all them players
@@Obie_24 Zion and Kawhi are. Donovan mitchel giving those 80s players 80 points since he gave this era 70.
When people argue about the skill levels of the eras they always think it's about the stars. It's not. It's about the floor. The 80's skill floor makes role players today look like all stars. That's the point.
I doubt that. I watched some 80's Celtics recently and Danny Ainge is like the 5 th or 6th best player and he's shooting 3's and driving round guys at speed. Looks like he would be in the exact same spot today
Somebody ask Gilbert why he didn’t mention these names. ???
80s players
-Sidney Moncrief 79 draft)
-Bernard King (77 draft)
-Alex English (76 draft)
-George “ice man” Gervin (74 Draft)
-Adrian Dantley (76 draft)
-Kevin Mchale (80 draft)
-“Big Game” James Worthy (82 draft)
-Dominique Wilkins (82 draft)
-Isaiah “zeke” Thomas (81 draft)
-Moses Malone (74/76 draft)
And
Larry “Legend” Bird (78 draft)
Erving “Magic” Johnson (79 draft)
Were the only ones named ? WTF
you might not like what Gil is saying but you can not deny he is a true student of the game.
He is a student of the game but everyone does not agree with his studies.
One thing he doesn´t consider is that in the 80ies most players played 4 years of college, some went to tne draft after 3 years. So a lot of the players were hitting their prime within their first 2-3 NBA seasons already. If you look at the 85 and the 86 draft there are a lot of players that still hid their peak or had their best season in the 80ies and they already started to fall of during the mid 90ies, so according to him they count as 90ies players while numbers wise they were pretty much on the same level or even better during the 80ies.
But if everyone did that, then it doesn’t make a difference
So what? They can stay in college 7 years, if they suck, they suck
This comment has 0 merit and is completely a pointless point.
@@DividendDisciple He states at the beginning of the videos that he does consider players drafted in 85 or 86 as 90ies players anyhow, since he focuses on their peak. that makes sense in today´s NBA where most rookies are 19 and 20, but not in the 80ies where the majority of players came to the league as 22 or 23 year olds and often were already declining in their early 30ies due to less advanced medical treatment.
Nah this ain’t it
I mean Gil has a argument because of rule changes you couldn’t run any kind of zone or help defense back then so it was easier to go 1v1, they literally called illegal defense. You would literally get penalized for leaving your man to provide help for a teammate
No they called illegal D if u were caught between helping and covering ur man. U had to double team or stay on ur man. Couldn’t do both.
Have to play by the rules players of today way more freedom
Lol what are you talking about, zone defense today is not evena zone defense its watered down since there is a defensive 3 secs, its harder to play one on one back in the day since there is handcheck foul and the flagrant foul is rarely called because you need to cripple a player before its called a technical, you can clothesline a player and thats a regular foul which lessen the players game to drive the basket. By he way illegal defense is not leaving your man to provide help, learn some basketball kid, it is called when guys double a player without having the ball to create equality to the post players because it is a rule change when guys like wilt, moses, thurmond exposed the paint too much.
@@beery6659 Help defense, even today you can do help defense, thats what draymond is doing, its not illegal defense kid
Dude meant you can’t play a zone, or shade between players you had to hard commit on someone. That is a huge part of todays game, guys like Giannis Roam around today and wreak havoc defensively by almost being in all places at once. Most teams now have at least one guy on they’re roster that does that.
Keep hearing athletes back then couldn’t play in todays game but guys today couldn’t compete back then without traveling, flopping, or crying about how hard they’re getting hit lmao . It works both ways Gil
Mj playd 6 years in 80s and 7 in 90s....hes best 2 guard in both decades.
4 seasons and a few months in the 80s. Not 6 years.
No rings in the 80's. All 6 are in the 90''s.
@@HailKingCeezer he was drafted in 84
@wavadelic1 by the end of the 80s he was the best player in the league
@@jamalswift9700 ya my bad 5 full seasons and a few months b4 1990. But technically I wasn't too wrong considering his broken foot in year 2 in which he barely played
Mychael Thompson (Klay’s dad) and Byron Scott put up near identical numbers if not better than Gil for their entire career. And they were bench players behind James Worthy, Magic and Kareem. Gil is many things, but he’s not objective. There are many players from that era who would be dominant today. There is no Dominique Wilkins or Charles Barkley, or Isiah Thomas in today’s NBA.
He came back & played after he was injured. If you just take his Wizards years, his prime years, you sound crazy lol.
@@sko0dii Dude had 3 good years and so he elite? Also dude is combining the 80s with the 70s when a majority of the 80s wasn't a bunch of coke heads. Gil was a mid player who didn't do much in the NBA during a weak East in the NBA. I have watched a few of Gilberts takes and they are pretty bad and every time he is asked for evidence he just says he played. With his logic if someone who was better than him said he was an ass player it would be true.
Not that impressive a #1 and #4 overall pick career being compared to Gil a second round pick. If the careers are comparable that looks worse on the players who were drafted high.
@@Woofreestyle there are plenty of lottery pics that are not good in the NBA. I am talking about two men who were basically role players for most of their careers putting up similar or better numbers than a man who claims he is better and has far superior skills. Again these dudes were coming off the bench. Danny Ainge was a second rounder and has nearly identical numbers as Gil. Again, Gil is high off his own pack.
@@jayc21 If you go by career numbers you can make a lot of players look a certain way. If I look at B Roy, D Rose, Penny and Grant Hill career numbers I can also make them look overrated if I don’t take everything into context.
Gil’s one of the elite basketball minds (imo)… As a hoop fan, rarely has he made me question his takes.
Not elite at all
@@ronaldburns8720 ‘Opinions’ bruv, but I feel you.
I disagree the man said Isiah overrated not top 5 pg all time wasn't the best player on his championship teams how that's sum shit ah casual would say
@@cedricwalker678 Yeah he was tweakin’ on that behalf.
That’s cause you don’t know ball
The main reason I disagree with arenas is because he has no respect for those NBA players before him, why I say that? Because if it wasn't for those guys before him making the game more popular with their styles of playing they would have nothing to build on, Pistol Pete was the reason Magic Johnson started no look passes, Jordan was the reason players started wearing long shorts and many more players did things that others emulate so arenas needs to check himself he buggin...
80s was the era of the super teams. Some of those Lakers, Celtics, Pistons, Sixers, etc., were stacked.
yes but that was through drafts.... Did magic call up MJ and say come to the lakers?
@johnnythekid4601 Both eras had plenty of HoF acquisitions like Kareem and Rodman who went from one super team in the Pistons to the Bulls, the lone super team of the 90s.
How can you not rock with Arenas’ insight?!
Easily! He's 1-step above Ryan Hollins tier. He's as bad as Perk. The only thing saving him is McCants being his co-host who is easily worse and makes Gil seem reasonable by comparison. This take was debatable but at least has some points (many don't hold water when you look into them contextually). 50-80% of the takes I have seen from him have been glorified trash. But hey, he's the same guy that ruined a great NBA story by finishing it with a gun/ gambling altercation. That's Gil and his logic. He tries.
@@cameronno6039
Can you make a layup? Played in any NBA games? IJA
Dumb argument. When NBA players disagree, what do you do? You never educate yourself to form an opinion on anything in life? This is a terrible response with no counter to what I actually said. Congrats.@@KingGKnowledge-vw5rd
@@cameronno6039
You go answer the question ❓
Stop being dumb. @@KingGKnowledge-vw5rd
That doesn't mean they wasnt good.. coke is a upper..
Spoken like a true crackhead lol
🤦🏽♂️
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL an upper... have u ever taken an upper? An upper can make a suicidal fuck, seem positive LOL 😅🤣😂🤣😂
MJ vs Craig Ehlo LMAO tough defensive era
@@bihapiChris mullen, mark price plus that list are the few YT athletes that could impact any era...
As a longtime Golden State Warrior fan I appreciated Gilbert throughout his career and it's fun to hear players give their opinions, but he's lacking on statistical facts that my old ears recognized immediately. His opinions are fun though.
When he said MJ's teammates in the 80's wouldn't remember playing with him. 💀☠️
I love the 80s and early 90s basketball, there was a lot more improvisation and showtime. Magic, Bird, Kareem, MJ, Thomas, Olajuwon, Barkley, Ewin, Wilkins.... best basketball I have ever seen. After it became a lot more athletic and powerful but I feel the imagination of the players was far less entertaining, with the exception of AI.
You saw the pinnacle of athleticism and coaching schemes. The 3-point line changed a lot of the strategy also. If they added a 4-point line and didn't allow zone defense, it could bring back the dynamic of the lane being clear for an excellent slasher, against a rim protector and while still not as good as yesteryear, could still be enjoyable, if politics and crooked refs don't ruin it further.
Yeah but take away the stars of any Era and today's players are better than the 70s and 80s man these players today are missing that dog factor but the refs and the fines got that in check. We seen so many dunks the league need to do one dunk contest where they take the top 3 dunkers from each team for like a dunk contest competition distance, flash and whatever the 3rd be and if 10 of these guys dunking from the line or more I don't wanna hear how a league where the g.o.a t and like 1 other could do it is better.
Garbage basketball
@@Mwaller4413 I am sure you saw MJ in his prime... or Magic, or Bird, or Kareem... Back then defenders knew how to do it well, not like today where European basketball players are playing like at home. Back then, the most talented European player of all time, Petrovic, was not even top 20 or even invited to All-star.
Watch Steph curry play.
No one also remembers that the league had tons of expansion when Jordan came into his prime and dominated old and tired teams? So you had expansion teams watering down the league, and all the best teams were teams holding on to their core like it was everything to contend for titles while they're exiting their primes. Competition was easiest in the 90's. It got really difficult post 2005.
MJ vs Craig Ehlo LMAO
Competition was easiest in the 90's is not true. It was harder because before the expansion their was only so many teams,.... The more teams the more folks have an opportunity to play..
The league also expanded in the 70s and 80s so using your logic, those teams winning meant nothing. Expansion increases the available talent pool. I want to see how you clowns act when the NBA expands to add two additional teams likely in Seattle and Vegas. You're going to see how silly this argument is.
@@southernflavamaker Ehlo was a solid player, but he wasn't even close top 20 in the league,. The fact that yall only mention him reveals y'all lack of basketball knowledge and IQ as if Jordan wasn't going up against the likes of Sidney Moncrief, World B Free, Clyde Drexler, Joe Dumars, Chris Mullin, Mark Aguirre, Reggie Miller, Dan Majerle, Byron Scott, Steve Smith, Mitch Richmond, Iverson, or Latrell Sprewell to name a few.
@@atlien1988 seriously. some of these guys talk and they were born in 2005.
Feel like you were on Gilbert nuts in this episode. Gil right about the 80s but out of pocket about Rob Parker and Chris
Rob Parker imo is worse than Skip Bayless and Chris has gotten better at analysis but he still is more a personality than anything else.
gill speaking fax 😂😂😂 those analyst have random crazy takes to fit narrative
80s were better than the early 90s not the late 90s
Easiest era, but Jordan got swept swept throughout the whole decade!
Why? Do you the Bulls will not get swept by the 2017 GSW? Lol.
You have to look it from outside looking in. Players like Gilbert would protect their own era. Especially the ones who beat them. 80s were truly the golden era. 81-87 were the years were 2-3 superstars were in most contending teams and this is without any expansion teams. Mj was an 80s player who happens to win in the 90s era.
@@flyflynewthat’s funny because the clippers who didn’t have kawhi nor pg took 2 games away from the warriors in the 1st round
By Gilbert's logic
I'm not sure what this proves other than Jordan couldn't do it alone? He didn't have Pippen or Rodman yet, and Jordan was just losing to Bird's Celtics & Isaiah's Pistons. 2 of the NBA's greatest. Gil ain't saying the top was bad. He's saying it was top heavy. Listen to 9:15 again with that in mind...
It always amazes me how little Gill knows about basketball.
well damn, the dude did pretty well for himself not knowing the game don't you think?
Just to be clear I agree with gil and I was born in the early 80s. I Think people confuse the great storylines that david stern marketed for the whole league being great.Only thing about today's game for me is the lack of physicality. I dont want to see late 90s ball but just want players be able to compete without tik tak fouls called and less flopping. Guys overall now are more skilled but I see two glaring weakness that the Joker and Curry exploit. Most big players cannot actually score with touch around the rim and can't take advantage of smaller players. And most player cannot play without the ball which actually hurts the offense those are two great skills I would like to to see come back. Because if these players in this era could bring that back along with how they play the game would be more watchable to me.
Define more skill
@addams you make such a great point! Especially with the off ball movement.
What Gilbert always fails to say is how physical the league used to be. Some of those players could not be stopped in todays rules. Iy's a p@@@y a@@ league now. The games played today are not even as competitive and physical as the all star games used to be.
Knicks backcourt of Michael Ray Richardson and Ray Williams could play against any backcourt during Arena’s days or now.
Arenas couldn't hang in the 80's and he knows it!!!
A 6'4 200lb pg that shoots 3's wouldn't survive the 80s
@@Dontel17 they didn't shoot that many 3s back then
@@MikeBNumba6 he's still bigger than most point guards, faster or shoots better than most point guards
@@Dontel17 yea I'm sure he would be fine in the 80s to be honest. He'd just have to change his game up a bit
@@MikeBNumba6 just try some booger sugar and he'll be ok
Gil just spoke all facts 💯
hell nah smh
all girl does is speak like a bitter player that had a few good season boy be talking about players better than him 😭
The big difference in now and 80s is spacing of floors, 80s will kill in the middy and paint game, but knew gen will slaughter them from the 3s, steph, kd, lilliard, tatum, jokic, anthony davis, etc will give 80s players hell and vice versa
Saying a multi-time All NBA player has no knowledge for the game is an insane critique from an ESPN analyst
The problem is it is really difficult to gauge what a player would actually be capable of in the new era. If Steve Nash played in the 80s with the short shorts and a more limited skill set (due to being a product of the time) then you'd probably think "Oh he was nice in the 80s but he wouldn't be able to play against guys like Kobe and LeBron." We know that is completely false, but based on our perception of what 80s Nash would look like and play like we would think it is a reasonable assumption. Granted he wasn't a great defender but the dude lead his team to the WCF 4 times.
It’s always weird when people who just watch basketball think they know more than those who play it
The 1996 bulls can still survive in this era. They chemistry and poetry. Only one tough leader,
of course
No they can’t they were playing bums
Exactly. Jordan even said almost the entire Bulls locker-room in his first season were coke-heads.
There were lots of guys who sucked at playing basketball in the 80s that played in the NBA. However, that style of basketball was great to watch. Today, everyone is really good at playing the game, even the scrubs.