How a Stolen Idea Saved Nintendo
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I would've given up when I found out I had to unscrew the gameboy tbh
Just wait until you need to get around thinking of repairing current tablets and phones. Those things are glued together and the screens risk cracking when heated up. Then you begin to appreciate just how easy older tech is to repair.
@@skycloud4802 very interesting tho.
*In Yoda Accent* “That is why you fail!”
@@skycloud4802 as a phone technician I have to disagree with you. the new devices are smarter in term of built quality and smart design. It's just that some company make it harder to repair because they want you to buy their new phone.
Yeah i’m no tech wizard.
Never thought I'd see a journey greater than the Lords of the Rings trilogy, but here we are
haha thank you Stuart
indeed.
Hi Ashens. I saw you at comic con once
What's Lord of the Rings?
i grew up watching you ;_;
One small correction, according to his memoir, Yokoi was planning to leave Nintendo anyway and prepared the Virtual Boy as a final product with the company. The systems failure actually caused him to stay at Nintendo longer than he had planned as he didn't want to look like he was leaving in shame.
Didn't he leave after the release of GBP, which was a massive success that he managed?
@@aleix.gimenezThe GBA, yes
The PSP also had the "switch" feature which a lot of people don't know about. With a special a/v out cable it could display to a tv just like the switch.
That cable was amazing and I never knew people didn't know about it...even Metal Jesus Rocks had to educate the MJR crew about it
I had that cord for the 1000 model and it worked on the UI menu the screen was full but when you start a game the picture would shrink to like a small box in the center of the TV, I was super bummed.
I know there were two options, and one of them wouldn't let you play games on a tv screen, I think that was the AVI (yellow red white) version, if I remember correctly, and then the component cable version would let you, but you needed a tv that had component connections, which at the time was a bit rarer to see, At least for me anyway.
Sony needs to make a new portable 😢
@@JorgeTamezPhoto There are rumors now that they are, and I don't mean something like the controller with a screen in the middle either
the production value on this one is **chef’s kiss**
You are commenting on the production of ....a youtube video... lol
It was incredibly annoying. This guy really loves his own nauseating face. Also, People were hooking up their gameboys to TVs for years before this device, also playing gameboy games through Pokemon Stadium, this guy's a blowhard.
@@user-fj8wr8jh4e yeah, because it’s really good. What are you trying to say lmfao
So happy to see one FINALLY WORK!!! The time you put into this video was insane, I hope you get rewarded with lots of views. Very nicely done Elliot, beautifully edited, a thoroughly enjoyable watch.
Thank you so much Vince!!! Really appreciate all of your help.
Ayyyy it's the man with a plan. You and Stez have taught me a ton.
i knew it was you he was coming to see, and I knew it was definitely you, when I saw your uPVC windows you did the repair on.
obviously I watch too many of your videos lol.
I agree this was a brilliantly edited video too
Aaaay, cheers Vince
yeah forreal, i rarely watch youtube but i watched the original video he posted for those, glad to see this one works.
Elliot this video is too good. Love how you turned what would have been a video about a janky ribbon cable into a full doc. 20 mins went by so fast, all the experimentation on your videos for the past few months were well worth it!
What an amazing comment. Seriously appreciate that, thanks a lot! I was just fed up of the simple table review videos i was doing.
12:01 "am I gay?" 😭
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who heard that 😅😂
Fingers crossed. ❤
I think this is what they call foreshadowing 😅
@@ihatepokemonthings the fact that vince has a wife and 2 kids just makes it even funnier
Easter egg 😌
Ok, so hear me out. Part 2: You and Vince use PCBWay to manufacture a brand new ribbon cable to replace the bad ones. Sendico sends you both to Japan to buy more of these kits and replace the ribbon cables, and Tito from Macho Nacho makes a tutorial video about it.
Right? At about 15:00 I realized "this is going to end up an ad for PCBWay."
This is an incredible investigation into the history of where the Switch came from. Big up to a fantastic effort by Vince! Love the new style of content!
Thank you so much for the incredible thumbnail!! I absolutely love it.
Gunpei Yokoi didn’t leave because of the Virtual Boy’s failure, he had already been slated to leave and start a job with another company before the Virtual Boy released and failed. Unfortunately, he tragically died in a car accident before he could start his new job.
Actually, he did start a hardware development company after leaving Nintendo, he even worked on the Wonderswan for Bandai, although he did'nt see the its launch.
As a mechanical engineer who loves design, I feel that Nintendo may not have stolen the idea, rather they used a principle from the TRIZ 40. The TRIZ 40 are principles of design that can be used to edit a product to make it better. For example there is a principle called "Nested Doll" where you design an item to fit into another. This can be seen in the switch where you can dock it into a TV making it a nested doll. So really, I think that Nintendo engineers took different design elements to make the switch. They combined the home and handheld market to create one super market so that they could sell more units.
I mean, the concept of the switch is extremely simple, hence Sega, NEC, and Sony all tried it with the Nomad, TurboExpress, and PSP/Vita respectively. It's just that it was hard to do WELL in the past thanks to tech limitations. Like, the Nomad had 2 hours of battery life and for what it played it really wasn't worth that much more than a regular Game Gear or other handhelds. And even with better battery life, being portable required limitations to controls and hardware that 20 years later weren't really necessary.
That said, I would honestly say the switch is hardly portable, but that's just may personal hot take on the subject. But yeah, less "theft" and more "building upon the past".
Cos this video is clickbait.
Bit of a tangential question, but what would you say are the odds that they explicitly consulted/were aware of the TRIZ 40 vs converging on the concept of a nested doll design independent of it?
I don't know how popular that list is in the area of console design (like I don't know if consulting it is pretty standard practice or not), so thought I'd ask.
@@warbossgegguz679 The widespread wireless internet infrastructure wasn't really there for the psp/vita when it realeased either, as well as battery life and storage capacity. I would also agree that the switch is a home console that happens to be portable, not a portable or a handheld system. I'll take the switch to someone's house, but I dont keep it on me like a 3ds or psp, due to both size and style. There's really not much to do or show off on a switch besides games like there was with the other two.
Bolo ks
I think mentioning how many Wii users bought Skyward Sword is a little reductive without mentioning the context around it. It required an entirely new controller and thus was more expensive than usual, and it also came out at the very end of the Wii's life cycle.
And it still sold almost as well as A Link to the Past and The Wind Waker.
The video has plenty of assumptions that doesnt hold to critical thinking. The easiest way to debunk the Skyward Sword example is to point out the sells of Twilight Princess which at the time was the highest selling zelda game ever, even passing Ocarina of Time. More over look at the Skyward sales on Switch, even with a higher install base & with good sales momentum & more "accessible" controls the game sold similarly to the Wii version: 3.7 to 4 million
I think we can easily fix the other two ones by re-creating the ribbon cables and ordering them to be made.
i dont know if it's a "stolen idea" as much as it is a "refined concept"
Nintendo could probably print money if they came out with a Wii mini that has a few games baked in like Wii Sports and no disc drive for $50, I know nursing homes and mental hospitals would scoop them up like hotcakes lmao
Yep, same for Singaporean secondary schools or at least the one I attended, as back in 2011, the latter bought Wii consoles that students could book access to but they were only allowed to play Wii Sports.
Oh you mean pick them up for $350 when they're sold out and everyone is reselling theirs like they did with the NES and SNES Classic?
But seriously though, that'd be amazing. The SNES and NES Classics were amazing and I reckon Nintendo would do a great job with it.
That idea is reminiscent of those old plug-and-play consoles you used to find sitting in a Walmart for $20.
That will never happen just because of the filthy scalpers and despite how much I love modding that would put a big target over that little console for homebrew applications and eventually hacking it to install more Wii games so instead of nursing homes willing to buy them for elderly people it would be more like videogame collectors and tinkerers just getting another piece for their collections and another piece of hardware to play with, they are better just getting one used Wii from whatever second hand retailer they have nearby.
There was a wii mini with just the disc drive for $90 (no wifi, game cube ports, etc) or something
You could put the Wii Sports disc and leave it there forever
What an awesome surprise to see Vince and his red mat here.
Also great acting and cinematography. 11/10 on IMDb.
I've used IDE and Ultra IDE cables in the past to do repairs similar to this. I obviously don't know if it will work but I cut the end of the ribbon cable, solder the strands to it and it looks like the other side is a board so obviously solder the other end to the board. IDE cables are bendable and flexible but I don't know how much room you have. I like them because you can just strip off the wires you don't need. Like if it has 40 wires and you need 30, you can just pull off 10 of them and the wires all stay together.
Elliot has done a ribbon cable extension for the triple screen ds. I am sure he has some reasons why not doing this here, but it‘d muddy the story of the video
We need a whole documentary about Nintendo handheld consoles directed and narrated by Elliot. It would be a masterpiece.
12:00 "am I gay?" Got me on the ground😂😂😂
Loved this video. Your humour is so good. Almost choked when you opened the case for Vince, with a curly wurly in there, and I was thinking "oh that's nice, a little chocolate as a thankyou" only to see you eating it whilst watching on in the next shot 🤣
Surprised you didn't replace the ribbon cable (with a similar style) or just solder new wires instead. Not sure how feasible that would be. Great content anyway! 😄
You do know you can get a new ribbon cable made don't you ?
It's called a flexible PCB and you can get them done by some manufacturers like PCB way. Heck, you can even get them to sponsor your video as you restore those.
I like your other videos but this type of videos is what will really boost your channel.
Keep it up!
This was a great video! Also excited to see Vince helping you out. You guys should do more collabs. Does this mean he is still the Switch Killer?
Norman Caruso the Gaming Historian has done a video on this before it was part of his third party gameboy players video quite a while ago.
I knew I had seen this device before!
this video is pure bananas, love the whole trip and fix. also fixing a ribbon cable... holy heck
also mind if i ask but i always thought that the real idea for the switch was the PSPgo with their idea for the dock and all, but apparently SEGA was the first one, never heard of that
I love that Elliot still has that same pocket knife he’s been using to open packages since I started watching his videos
Of all my years watching Elliot's videos, I can say, this is the best video that represents him; Nintendo, refurbish/repairing, weird old item, not giving up and funny af. What a roller coaster of a video 👏🏼
The title could have been "the first nintendo switch" but i get that a "stolen idea" will get more views lmao
Did they spill gasoline on their drawing board?!
Love this video! I love the style of the first half and then you settle into a classic Retro Future format. Glad to see you’re posting videos more frequently again. See you on the next live stream mate!
That ribbon cable fix was awe inspiring - the was some next level repair work - shame it didn’t pan out. Great video!
No videos in two months? Hope you're doing ok Elliott?
He still posts frequently on his second account :)
@S.J.C._Entertainment Just a bit strange that he's ignored this channel for 3 months now.
That's a nice way to save Nintendo Elliot.
I haven't finished this video yet, but what an adventure! This video has so much effort put in and it's paying off for me. I love the different segments, which felt like all the kinds of videos I watch, sewn together neatly into one package.
I had to pause to write this, because I was overwhelmed when Vince opened the door! It's a crossover too!
What a fantastic piece of media this is. Thank-you. 😊
Fantastic video, wonderful content and nice to see Vince back in a collaboration.
I was hoping to see some direct wiring going on with those 2 that had bad ribbons. And I like that last revision one.
Thank you for bringing up the Nomad. I don't think Nintendo stole from Sega considering how many units both sold.
Apart from hardware sales, I would say the Switch is a spiritual successor of the Nomad. Despite being a very good system (I mean a portable Genesis in 1995 is super cool), the Nomad shares the same issues as other powerful handhelds of the time like the GameGear and Lynx (heavy, bulky and limited battery life) and had two critical flaws which go hand in hand in my opinion: it was not a new platform, and it came out too late. The Megadrive/Genesis had been out for years and years when the Nomad launched, right during the area where a majority of people:
- Had already bought a Genesis and played the games they wanted to play, and didn't saw the added appeal of playing Genesis games on the go (which can be understandable considering the less than stellar battery life, pretty much confining the Nomad to being used as a more compact "transportable" Genesis than requires to be plugged-in almost all the time nonetheless);
- Were only interested by the new shiny 3D capable gen5 consoles (especially the PS1, unfortunately for Sega).
The Switch of course took advantage of technological progress in embedded devices but it is fundamentally a different product from a business perspective. It's an all-new platform, designed to be the next flag-ship main system, replacing both the Wii U and 3DS (even if Nintendo made a declaration in 2017 saying that the Switch is not the successor to the 3DS, exactly like when they said that the DS was not replacing the GBA, which kind of show they were not THAT confident in the Switch success). Not a portable addition to an already existing ecosystem like the Nomad is.
You couldve made your own wire harness from the connectos that had the torn ribbon cable, it wouldnt have lookg great, but its a far cheaper test to do than buying a third kit.
the idea behind the switch is not only it being nomad, it's the joycins who can clip to the console or play remotely and even look like 2 controllers
Wow there's a lot of production in this video! Great stuff.
My favorite part is the sketch about the idea to steal someone else's idea because the guy shaving stole the idea before the other guy could mention it.
"am I gay?" 😂😂
He’s too cute to be attracted just to one gender that’s why. 🎉
Yes congrats
So random 😂😂😂
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Remember the "Super GameBoy"? It was an adapter cartridge that would let you play GameBoy games on your Super NES, back in the 90's.
Also, the Gamecube had the GameBoy player which allowed you to do the same thing, but with GameBoy Advance games.
The super Gameboy also predates the nomad. And you could also use the Pokemon games on the N64.
So it's not like Nintendo didn't have a history of it. I don't agree with him at all saying they stole the idea .
Thank you for all of this production value! It's definitely cooler to see less videos but be totally excited about them being prime-time entertainment!
I was in the USA when this was released and I had one of these. Thank you for the trip down memory lane. Have not seen one of these in forever.
Sensationalist garbage. "Hey look, someone else tried to tackle the same market issue that the switch did! No it doesn't matter that it's a different execution! They stole it! Also, look at this TV! I am the first person to ever acknowledge its existence ever! Nintendo stole, Nintendo bad!"
Nintendo is a burning dumpster fire of a company that has interesting stories to talk about, and you could've made a video on... literally anything else. I thought this was a video about genuine corporate espionage and I watched it hoping it would be but this was just... a waste of 8 minutes of my life
you sound like such a baby
@@wildpineapple7784 but what if it's true?
The production quality on this video was awesome Elliott! I really enjoyed it. You should send those ribbon cables off to one of voultar's connections and see if they can reproduce it. Cheers.
Hello there, you need to make a in depth video about this, with a tear down and close-up of the boards, chips used and that sort of thing, this is something i never heard off!! I need more info, more videos about it!
Amazing! I was glued to my screen!
Vince deserves massive respect of course, but I was secretly hoping you were knocking on StezStix Fix's door...
Maybe the best The Retro Future video ever, felt like I just watched a feature length documentary
Great video Elliot!!! To be fair, a version of the Supervision came with a tv out cable thingy, so that you can play on tv, just like the nomad, so maybe the idea is even older than that :D
The production is next level on this, Elliot. Nice job! Great to see two of my favourite creators in a collab. 🤘
Just loved the collab with Vince, he is may favorite fixer ever...
I kept trying to change the video quality without results. It was a wii comercial. I tried to up the quality on an old wii comercial.
Fantastic Video! This must of taken forever and you sank a lot of money on it.
You had to have known that the issue was the ribbon cable, I know very little about circuitry most I've picked up from watching channels like yourself. But I could understand you going to Vince because he could do the tiny work.
You, or someone, could re-design the ribbon cable and send it to one of these pcb companies to save these kits
Haven't watched the Retro Future in a while. Glad I popped in, what an awesome ride of a video! Keep it up Elliot.
I'm not even going to talk about the content of the video itself.
I really really enjoyed the editting of this video. This is cinematicly gorgeous and filled with british humour.
Loved it tremendously. Please do more like this. I know it's so much work, but it does pay off.
I have that TV kit still installed on my GBA! I remember playing Meteoid Fusion with it as a kid and it was amazing. I had the same video issues on mine but it was just the ribbon cable that wasn't properly seated. It sucks to see you had to go through 3 of them but it's really fun to see it working!
That was a wild ride, LETS DO IT AGAIN!
I shall!
Holy hells, my guy! that was a wild ride, and I sat through all twenty minutes and fifteen seconds of it!
Great story, fun presentation, editing absolutely smacks. Looking forward to more!
THIS VIDEO IS A MASTERPIECE! I usually like to listen to you when Im driving (please dont text&drive! thats why Im listening only!) but as I listened to this I understood I am missing a video which was very much thought of and had high level editing, so I stopped listening and watched it at home instead and I was right! Great job! Thanks!!
Awh thank you so much!!
Switch is basically a culmination of a lot of ideas from many prior devices. Stolen is a bit harsh, maybe borrowed is more apt.
Razer Edge from 2012 was a portable gaming PC with 2 removeable controllers, one joystick controller from each side. It won many awards at its introduction at CES 2012. It was unrefined, bulky, and too expensive and never went anywhere when it was launched in 2013. If anyone from Nintendo was paying attention, they would have gotten a lot of inspiration from the Razer Edge. 2012/2013 would have been about the time when development on the Switch would have started.
I think the big thing to take away is less the idea that stole the idea (which is pretty much true), but they couldn't innovate the thing themselves. They are given praise for doing this innovation, that after learning this, I don't think they fully deserve.
Loving the production value with the newer content these days. You're awesome!
I like this documentary format. no matter if somebody made a video about a known topic, with your humor and voice it will become something unique! make more videos like this. great job!
Anyone else fascinated by how Elliot is holding the Switch up by his two fingers?
If that was me, I'd definitely drop it holding it like that.
As always, great video man!
Very nice production. Is it a new camera too? This is excellent
wasn't expecting this to turn into a retro restoration video like that guy who rescued somebody's blastoise off an old pokemon game. good comedy too. good subscription uwu
6:36 The moment I heard that jingle, I could see where you were going with this from 8,700 km across the pond. Well played, good ol' chap. Well played.
this video was fantastic dude great job! I have a question though, do you have a new editor?
7:34 seen a video of this device years ago, and the guy had the same issue of it not working, I think the guy ended up sodering the actual device onto the gba board somehow to get it to somewhat work
The production and editing in this video was so impressive man, genuinely something to aspire to. Legitimately just sat for the entire 20 minutes gripped the whole time. Can't wait to see what you do next 👀
I had one of these. I just sold it on Ebay not even a few weeks ago. I used it to stream on Twitch decades ago
Pure gold!
Retro Future and My Mate Vince Collab is what the internet needed 🎉
I had one of these when I was a bit younger that must have been for the western market. The gba-tv converter. It was the same as the second style with the converter ribbon cable just latching over the top.
I got it about 10 years ago. It had a cable that had to be placed a certain way for a 32 or 40 pin Gameboy. Mine started out working but ended up like yours and I never knew why. Thanks to this video now I think I know.
This video was genuinely beautiful. I loved every second of it. Crazy how it mixed your iconic style with something so radically different and fresh.
It's funny you should mention the Virtual Boy in a video where ribbon cables were the problem. The eyepieces in the VB had ribbon cables held onto the mainboard with GLUE. The glue wears out over time, and at this point basically every VB is broken. Luckily there are people who can solder the cable directly onto the board and provide services where you can send your VB to them and they'll fix them.... So that's how I now have a working Virtual Boy.
i like how after that crazy hurdle, finally getting a working model, etc, you use it to play mario world, an snes game
FINALLY I CAN PLAY MARIO WORLD ON A TV!!
Such a great video! Great dedication and research as always! I've missed the streams this week though 😅
The fact that you went through all that just to make a video is crazy that's some serious dedication
Brilliant video. Great to see @mymatevince in the video too.
With the right design software, could pcbway make replacement ribbon cables?
The second you mentioned needing to go to someone to repair it my hopes were high that Vince would appear and yes! The man himself has arrived!
Tbh if the girl at work never told me about switch, I wouldnt be getting it.
She was never a gamer but saw the ad on tv. I never watch tv so yeah haha. She told me about it then i searched it afterwork then preordered ir. It came out about 3 days and I loved it and went back to gaming
I'm really astonished for how many highlights were in this video! Elliot, this is quality at its finest! 🤩
Dude, who did you learn from to make such good camera angles an lighting?
Your videos are f**king awesome and I love them!
You're a genius.
I can't believe a video of this quality and work behind it's free. Great work man! So fashinating learning some cursed stuff of the old days.
It's funny how today there are some custom kits available to connect a GBA to TVs
I'm pretty sure you could buy or build a new cable without the need to buy 3 kits lmao (like pcbway websites)
Also if i'm not wrong even the psp could connect to TVs
Production quality is out the roof now. Well done
Yakoi did not leave because of the virtual boy. He was thinking about leaving Nintendo and wanted to do one more thing before he left. We know what happened and not wanting to leave with his last product being a flop, he made the GameBoy Pocket another to keep his legacy intact.
My source:
th-cam.com/video/jlNBSOzKu7g/w-d-xo.htmlsi=7_GH99B3DHICfVHR&t=98
I would've loved to have a chance at repairing that ribbon 👀
My mate Vince is life 👑🙏
Awesome video 😁
This is by far one of your best videos. You have been always producing fun, entertaining and interesting content, but this is another level. Glad I managed to see it so early. Keep the good work Elliot!
Thank you so much. That is so sweet.
The guy who was in charge of the virtual boy didn't leave because of the virtual boy and didn't even leave after its failure. He wanted to leave after the game boy project ended. The virtual boy was gonna be his way to leave with a bang, but after its failure he felt shame/dishonor leaving with such a bad outcome that he left after the next project gbc.
Wow, I had no idea your content is so well made and original nowadays! Great video!
6:58 I miss the gaming historian. maybe i will go rewatch the nomad video just because.
I am seeing new colobs which were never expected, like The Retro Future with My Mate Vince, Jerryrigeverything with Nate From The Internet and Technology Connection with The Slomoguys. What a great time..
I don’t know when you changed the editing and the overall style for the videos cause I haven’t been watching TH-cam for a few months now, but I’m here to say that I love it!!! ❤❤❤❤
Great video, Vince has incredibly steady hands, such tiny components. Looking forward to their new system this year.
They've had and debated within the company about releasing these things since the Gameboy, and even did release a Gameboy SNES cartringe adapter as the original GB Color. So your history is off a bit.
I appreciate all the efforts you've put in this video !
I felt like i was in the old TH-cam but even with more quality and originality !
Wow, thank you!
17:00 REPAIRING A TEAR IN A RIBBON CABLE?!?!?! I've wasted so much money on mods because of accidentally torn ribbon cables. To the point where if I'm watching a mod assembly and I hear "be careful with these ribbon cables" it's suddenly a deal breaker and I try and find an alternative.
What a great reveal, and a great work of editing and storytelling ❤
Such a GREAT video, Elliot!! I hope you do more like this in the future. I was glued to my TV.