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Paddock are lucky to have Joe btw. Constantly spoken down to when he doesn’t deserve it
Jay and Joe need to start their own channel! They need to distance themselves from Ste and Adam
Because Joe talks utter wibble
Ste has conversations like he’s constantly stuck on twitter. He needs to be right. But I’m not bothered, I enjoy it.
He is a weapon always drinking the deluded England fan coolaid this the guy with the massive hard on for Maguire he thinks he is one the best defenders ever blokes a clown don't like it when ste schooling him
I think that's just the dynamic between them and they've been around
I think everyone on this channel has legitimate and pretty well reasoned arguments but i honestly feel like jo has the most balanced views and doesn't get the opportunity to voice them without being interrupted constantly.
Bro!!! The truth!
I agree. I think does pander to Ste a bit which annoys me. I love Joe but Ste has a massive ego
He’s right though 😂 best squad on paper easy route to the final Ste spot on!
England save my moments of brilliance or bad decisions last min goal against Slovenia had to go pens with the Swiss best performance was semi final but saved by one moment with that squad should be walking those games
Cos he talks crap sometimes
Ste literally thinks he is a professional football manager 😂
🤣
By definition he is. He is paid to be the manager of a football team
To anyone missing the joke ^
you tricked me into thinking this was a video about Zirkzee yet here we are talking about bloody Gareth Southgate FFS
Thanks you just saved me from watching the video 😂
im 20 minutes through wondering who gives a fuck about gareth southgate.
Don’t really wanna hear anything about GS
Welcome to paddock mate!
lol I was like wtf
Does Ste move the goals posts this much during Paddock training sessions?
😂😂😂
Like a defensive politician unable to admit the glaring truth that Southgate has been in any way successful.
Ste’s a bully and about as even minded and objective as one too 🙄
when they lose like 5-0 most weeks lmao
I honestly believe he is a trans Vicky Pollard.
I like Ste but the non stop unnecessary shouting gets too much sometimes tbh. He thinks he's always right, gets tiresome.
Agreed.
Aww didums 😢
Everyone shouts at Joe, he has that kind of face.
@@dessertstorm7476 that's a good point. He does have a shout-able looking face .
I agree with you apart from the liking him bit 12:58
Joe is absolutely spot on with the Southgate debate. To a tee. He check mates Ste with the ETH comparison.
100%
He isn’t
man crazy how deluded English fans are so high on the English deluded coolaid you watch when spain butt fuk southgate and england all you deluded fans will suddenly snap out of it and be crying for Southgate head and how crap he is just watch
ETH is miles BETTER than southgate, no comparison.
Ste. It's grating
Ste talks fucking knackers when it comes to international football. Hates for the sake of it.
Yes !!! It's a f'ing United channel but here they are talking shit about GS and England.....must be time for the next car payment eh Ste.
@@Mandinka711”love United hate England” is a saying for a reason you can’t be mad when they act in line with how most real United fans do
@@sloppygoohe talks shit about GS playing shit football and getting to finals. ETH played shit football and got to finals. GS just needs to win one. If he does, Ste will still think he’s shit when there are no other real differences between him and ETH at that point.
It remains to be seen what ETH will do with a proper structure. I for one have always been ETH in for what it’s worth.
Howson keeps moving the goal posts just to rubbish Southgate.. this guy has zero logic.
Absolutely
Nah you two melts are to stupid to understand his points 😂
I think he is trying to be a knob
21:10 ABSOLUTELY agree with Howson here. If Southgate had his way, he'd have never played Kobbie in this tournament. Mainoo literally saving him against the Netherlands.
He's in the team and it's Southgates way. What a silly comment
@@RickyLafleur-t5o not really though. Mainoo could have been introduced way earlier, but Southgate tried his best to avoid that.
@@terence.pereira that's how smart people deal with young players. Why expose him too early? Why burn him out? Why show your tactics and personell for knockout games to opposition. Sometimes you have to add context and hold some situational awareness instead of being ready to point the finger at somebody you've already judged.
Ste just shouts when anyone presents a decent counter argument. He thinks blabbering on abouts stats and quoting his achievements with a Sunday league team makes him a genius at football. Unbearable.
He has to. These other guys are boring asf. Other than Ste and Andy Tate everyone else are a bore to watch. Idgaf
Feel he actually shouts because they are NOT decent counter arguments. When they are decent, he doesn't raise his voice.
@@74Cheshire Exactly!
@@ThatGuy-du3sqbollock jay and Joe are funniest people on here and obvs andy
It's because Jo is annoyingly repeating the same thing when he's throwing actual arguments to him. And he does it ever so annoyingly softly 😅
Ste discounting a manager making a sub that has an impact as pure luck.
Guaranteed for a lad who thinks so much of himself if he made a sub that won a game he'd put it down to him. He sound a bitter boy because he's not on the level of those he's making content off. Talks like his opinion is gospel at all times.
Managing Paddock is not Man United or England. He seems a fella that needs a reminder, if he can drag himself away from admiring himself in the mirror.
Yeah he's a bit deluded on this
Ever heard of exaggeration? He does this because he finds it funny and entertaining
Yep, he definitely thinks highly of himself, doesn't he?
Why I’m reading these comments I don't know, but seriously, they are creating interesting content and all have opinions. Top bunch of lads who clearly like one another and can say whatever they like without taking it personally. Just enjoy the content and don't try to pick people out. Ste’s whole point is that Southgate has the best England team ever and they never seem to be able to play a decent game of football consistently. That's it. Up the Paddock.
Kobbie Mainoo will get back to United with a back injury next season from carrying England's Euro 2024 campaign.
Apart from the injury bit!!! It’s a funny comment 2:24
So will the referee from that game
How is this even possible bro
He's played twice.... Chill, I love the kid but if he's barely played the tournament, how could he be carrying them.
Back to the sender
Ste doesn't half talk shit for a living. Ego is out of control
He's never like this when Rio's about haha, he thinks he can dominate Joe though
@@alexmeechan9701Yh mckolas the same with Joe too
And people wonder why McKola doesn't appear with him much anymore.
It is a bit much now. Poor Joe just wanted to give his side of the debate
@Stan.k.Phlaps6447 McKola busy with the Club presumably
Lads we want to genuinely here what you have to say. Respect your knowledge and research. Stop shouting at and over each other. I am trying to listen and enjoy. Let each other finish your points. I am getting dizzy listening to this
It’d be worse if McKola was there
You've clearly never watched anything with these 3 🤦🏽♂️
@cnvdh3514 Yeah that's the problem, everytime Ste is on its the same shit. Always trying to scream over everyone and refusing to hear the others out. It does get boring very quickly. He wouldn't dare act like this to Rio on Five but because it's Joe he tries to get all intimidating and it's awkward to watch.
Lmao you guys being upset about this is too funny. It’s literally free content, and it’s always been like this if you hadn’t noticed before
@@TonySoprano1init😂
I think Ste had some of this bottled up 😂 Best therapy session ever, Jo caught the whirlwind though poor lad
Ste chatting absolute shite. Can't ever admit he's wrong.
Acting like 2 finals, a semi and a quarter final is a bad record ffs
He’s a deluded loud mouth moron. Defends ETH finishing 8th but Southgate is apparently useless despite an objectively excellent record
I wish they would stop having Ste and Mckola in this channel. They’re adolescent bullies who can’t have a constructive debate. Always appealing to the Lowest Common Denominator 🙄
No, he's got points. Southgate is like a drunk child stumbling around in the dark. The players have pulled him through it.
It's a good record on paper. The 2 final runs were easy draws though
Do they own this channel tho?@@jamesutero
The obvious credit Southgate gets is that he's prepared this team to win penalties. Very hard to progress in a major competition without winning penalties.
Comment section doesn’t lie. Last few videos I’ve seen plenty of ppl voicing their frustrations with Howson and McKolas negativity and childish behavior on these videos. Paddock, you read the comments, this is just a fact now. Jay/Joe/Ronnie are reasons to tune in. Nobody else.
Don’t watch then
@@alexbailey7787 I don’t watch as much I used to. I’ll do as I please Alex. You want to be a suck up and blow smoke up their backsides all the time, that’s fine. I’ve watched Ste and McKola since 2015. They’re not the same 👍
I agree McKola uses this platform now that he's got his shared channel The Club, to fuck about on here. He's starting to cut off Joe a lot nowadays n he's not serious on here no more. Tbf to Ste he's always been de same, u can't change his opinion which is fine imo
100% agree! Well said 👏🏻
So agree with this - I turn off when Howson speaks, total fucking one-up-man, ranger. Boring AF.
The angry bear is back 😂
Ste is actually unreasonable on Southgate. If United scammed our way through a UCL campaign only playing like RB Salsburg/Rangers level teams he would be raving about Ten Hags ability to grind out results when it matters most. "Can only beat the team that's put in front of you" is like one of his main lines, but when it's Southgate it's "Oh who have they beat?"
Scoring a last minute equalizer against a league 2 team, with only one shot on goal all game
You'd be happy with that?
@@yingyang1008 you've missed the point.
Ste will go mad about not giving him credit for achievements then go on about West Brown being better than John Terry. It’s tiring
My god the arrogance of Howson. "My opinion = Fact"
He’s a stunted bully, trapped as an adolescent. So cringe 😣
I love Ste's passion. We need more like him again.... just like the old days. C'mon United ❤
i think its time we had more of just jay and joe speaking footy
Southgate is very slow to learn and adapt. He's lucky to have got to a semi final. But can't say he didn't show he's learnt some things yesterday, even if it was almost too little too late if not for Bellingham's and saka's worldies.. His subs stunned me bc they were actually good. Terrible manager but he's gotta get some credit for yesterday
I've been saying this for a while. Southgate is very slowly evolving and going in the right direction, but the progression is far too slow.
I think this version of Southgate would have beaten Italy in the last Euros, and loses to France by a narrower margin in the last world cup.
If God forbid he stays another 10 years, then in 2034 we could win a world cup.
Jay on point about Bobby Robson. Many of the performances were dreadful, and 2 out of 4 utter fails in tournaments. And it would have been interesting to see if Terry Venables could achieve the same success if his team's games weren't ALL AT WEMBLEY.
It's pure nostalgia. Southgate's done a better job than both (despite being a worse manager).
I remember Venables was getting criticised endlessly for sticking with his "Christmas tree" formation in the warm up games and the first euro 96 group game, which we drew.
Then he changed it because of the pressure for the Scotland game which we only narrowly won. The Holland game was the only game in the tournament that we really spanked anybody. We drew against Spain and lost to Germany.
But people just remember it how they want to. They seem to forget that was our last semi until Southgate came along. Although he's no managerial phenomenon, he learned from Euro 96 that team spirit carries you a long way and that's what he works the most on.
Jay won the argument
Everyone used to say Ferguson was lucky with those last minute goals, Southgate seems to be doing the same, so you can’t have it both ways Ste. As for Southgate being a weak manager….Sterling, Mount, Henderson, Rashford, all gone, ruthless!
I like how INEOS are trying to run United
New Stadium
Selling stadium naming rights
Not blindly supported Ten Hag and evaluated other options
New coaches - then eventually support Ten Hag with Dutch new coaches
Executives - hire footballing people to make football decisions
Transfers - all of these have unique ideas which will help us with FFP + working on so many things in parallel is also new.. we have not done this in a while 😃
- Zirkzee - pay 2.5m over buyout clause and pay in 3 years
- Di Ligt - get out of favor player from Bayern
- Ugarte - trying to get him on loan with obligation to buy
- Yoro - submitted a 50m bid vs Madrid’s 17m to put some pressure on player and may be Everton as well
- Branthwaite - submitted early bids and looking for other players in parallel
- Greenwood - 30m bid with 50-60% sell on clause
- VDB - only 500k deal but with 15m easy add ons
27:45 is where Mainoo lovefest begins and I am all here for it.
I love when Ste sits on the fence
I think there is a legitimate chance that if england had no manager at all they would have gotten the same results and possibly better by letting the players sort out things and play in their actual positions.
Ste blames southgate for getting england relagated from Nations League but gives him 0 credit for making it to back to back finals is mad, and i hate southgate but come on, he deserves some credit
The talent level of the england team is arguably the best in the world only france or Argentina can arguably boast a similar level of talent.
Southgate deserves 0 credit. He's an embarrassment.
Ste's frustration here is entirely understandable to me - I wouldn't yell in his shoes, but I get why he is. Making even-handed statements might make you sound more reasonable, but it doesn't mean you've got a valid argument.
There is a total logical disconnect to "You have to attribute some of the success to Southgate" - No you DON'T... And "Of course (you'd give him credit), because he's the manager." - No, you only give a manager credit for demonstrable examples of good management. How can you make it to adulthood and not spot countless cases in life where things succeed despite a shithouse manager being involved? ANY workplace where the workers are good can still get some results despite shitty management.
And, People here are giving the ETH example, but Gareth has not faced anything off the pitch as bad as Eric had to. He had the chance to choose a team that he actually wants! I don't understand this.
They are all melts that are England fanatics, what you said is so true in life upper management taking credit for doing nothing because the workers did their jobs
Yeah, and he also has the luck pf easy draws and a very talented generation
His management has been abysmal this tournament, and his football is turgid disorganized nonsense
The comparison to Seedorf is absolutely correct.
Southgate's not an amazing manager by any means, but the quality of managers at international level is poor. The best managers don't want to manage at international level and the quality of football is never gonna be the same as club level.
If managing England was as easy as everyone thinks it is, it wouldn't have taken us 55 years to reach another final.
Whatever you think of Southgate's managerial ability, you can't argue that he hasn't done a good job as England manager. Anyone who says otherwise is talking out of their arse (Ste).
At the international level player material is even more of a deciding factor as in club football. So Southgate winning games he's expected to and losing the ones he isn't means he's bang average.
People have played too much footy manager and watched a few videos and think they are tactical geniuses. There is more to being a successful manager than f*cking "tactics". Nobody mentioning the culture and TEAM building Southgate has done to create the togetherness clearly on display. The group BELIEVE, the bond is clear to see, and it's to the managers credit. The facts are he is the most succsessful English manager with the possible exception of Alf Ramsay. Nobody else has come close, and tbh I think a lot of it is down to politics and a perception amongst certain boorish yobs that due to the squad "taking the knee" (that was booed) Southgate is some "Woke" p*ssy that deserves some yobbish bile. What he is, is a class act - as well as being bloody successful! It may be Howsons channel but he's the only reason I turn off.
He plays terrible football and he can’t beat a top 10 side he relies on individual talent as his get out of jail card
So you contradict yourself in your statement admitting that Southgate is shit yet since he has won nothing you can't say he has down a bad job? He has one of the best generations of talent from England in this squad and you can't even win a Euros or Conference
@@luchito1337 England has had many phenomenal teams and achieved less with them. Remember the 10 CL finalists team? Didn't do anything.
Ste’s logical fallacy:
Including Pickford, Stones, etc as “world class” to make the squad debate strength stronger vs Spain.
(Spain 1 vs England 7/8)
Despite separately ripping pundits elevating relatively average English players. Explicitly mentioned Pickford, albeit elsewhere.
You can’t have it both ways.
Either England and Spain squads are closer than we’re claiming.
Or it’s full of world class players and the media aren’t exaggerating average players.
The media are wrong.
There’s arguably 4 world class players for England. As things stand.
You are 100% correct.
He chooses different sides depending on the argument he’s trying to make consistently but does it confidently to hide that fact.
Ste - I’ve been trying to find where a squeak in my car is coming from with a weak. I just realised it’s your nose breathing 😂
absolutely useless having a discussion with stephen, becomes a complete manchild when others have arguments against him.
Howson is eternally unbearable. Makes me instantly switch off
Yh I like Joe and Jay mostly - should start their own channel
He thinks if he punctuates with a curse word people will think he’s dominant and clever. He’s so cringe 😬
But you didn’t you came here to cry haha…. Now.. switch off
I in general do agree with ste.
But I also can't help be a contrarian so here goes:
Gareth Southgate is a master strategist and on occasion a decent tactician.
His strategy has been to confuse and neg not only all of us and the world press- but also our opposition. They don't know what our playstyle is- how we might shape on the day. I genuinely feel Southgate welcomes the we are shit narrative - because he is underperforming in order to surprise.
And really- he does know what might work. He does know the quality (and in particular the fitness advantage) of our players. He keeps this under a bushel to lull teams into a false sense of security, in matches wear then down until the 80th minute. And he is keeping a decent lineup and formation which suits the players until the final match of the tournament. It's poker with a decent hand.
He has negged us all- and therefore getting the final is a shock and will then get him a better press and possibly a few more £8 millions
This is peak cope his subs in the quals alone last euros cemented him as one of the worst managers I’ve ever seen and I’m a total neutral not English or even European
@@sloppygoo it was intended as sortof satire
12:00 and we get to the relevant Southgate assesment. England would have been back home ages ago if it hadn't been for moments from big players. England's best opposition in this tournament so far had already been beaten by Austria.
Southgate does deserve credit for the spirit in the camp, they seem happy.
Thought this was a Zirkzee video??? What are you on about??????
Off The Bar Sherlock
Ste giving his best Andy Tate, "he got the job off a technicality"
Im not Southgates biggest fan but he deserves some credit for the consistency our teams have had over the past tournament’s.
Ste made his mind up on Southgate years ago and wont budge from it. Southgate is the best England manager of my lifetime, and the best the country has had since 1966.
There is nothing more revealing about a man’s character as when he can’t admit when he is wrong. Ste changing the goalpost here is ridiculous, he applies the same metric to Southgate to what he was defending ETH for
ETH is shite mate
Ste, by your own admission, you’re a contrarian. You’re bordering on Talksport-slate-ManUtd level noise. Give the man his flowers, the fact that the rest of the international contingent is shocking, is no more Southgate’s fault that it is Ericsson’s fault he lost to one of the best International Brazilian teams ever. You can’t give him all the critique for getting it wrong, then give him zero credit for getting it right.
howson was bad enough when paddock started, but he's managed to get more and more up his own arse with each passing day. i'm certain it's reached a the point where the others are finding it a chore just tolerating him.
Ste give credit where it's due. Back to back finals, not easy...not just luck.
Paying a extra 2 million to spread the cost over 3 years for zirkzee shows that we are now moving like a competent club
Gutted for Kobbie but I love his ‘take the medal off’ attitude in him we’re going far with that lad boys!!!
Totally agree with Joe on the Southgate debate
Getting bored of Stes nonsense regarding Southgate ? 😴 we get it, you don’t like England 🥱
Not necessarily a dig at the others but you’ve gotta admire Joes patience. To be cut off constantly mid sentence and shouted at, and still manage to be the calmest man in the room has to be respected.
“Is Nico Williams better than Gordon?” Is an outrageous statement. Ste goes off the deep end pretty often and I can still see his side but that was crazy.
He isnt a tactical genius. However, Southgate has done something that no england manager since proabably Terry Venables has done since 96 and that is make everyone in that camp very very happy and want to play from him. You can never underestimate how impressive that man managment is.
The draws we’ve had is the main reason we reached two finals, a quarters, and a semi final. The love Southgate is getting right now is honestly mind blowing.
Some fans apparently think England has played well under Southgate despite an amazingly easy draw. It's like mass hypnosis.
Completely 1000% disagree with Joe here. This team got to the final despite Southgate holding them back. Does he really think another gaffer couldn't do exactly this or better with THIS supremely talented lot? Also, imagine how far this team could go under an actual manager like Rangnick.
Bro, how long have you been watching England??😂😂
There is no guarantee that another manager can do a better job
Couldn't give a rats about england, but Ste devalues his argument here by being petty and misdirecting when Joe makes a good point. Being so unwilling to give up any ground on any point just means you're too biased to have an honest debate.
Jesus, fair play to Joe for putting up with Adam and Ste when all they do is shout and repeat themselves to make sure their shite jokes have been heard
The actual video starts at 21:50
Howson is a bully, let people speak man!
The one move from Mainoo when he let ball do all the work when it took two men out on the centre of midfield made me think this lad is the bomb
Don't forget the pen was never a pen so did we even win yesterday?
Joel, I'm from Scotland, and we hate England doing well. However, your argument is true and real. Southgate, however much disliked, is a success for England
International football is more about leadership rather than coaching. An International manager obviously has to set up a team tactically but its more about managing a group of players at a constant harmonious level and get them pulling in the same direction through ups and downs for long periods of time during tournaments. That is not easy and does take a high level of skill.
The truth is that if Southgate was any good as a manager, England would be looking for their 3rd trophy in a row. Cost England against Italy, cost England against France and stumbled to a final this time despite awful tactics.
Ste just doesn't like Southgate. Gareth can win the Euros, the World Cup, even the Grand National Ste still won't rate him. He's giving him zero credit.
Second half of this is actually decent, much better once you move away from Southgate
"Joseph I will fuck you up!"😆
Ste hammering Southgate is like a homeless guy outside ya front gate yelling “oi ya house is shit mate!”
He said he wasn't to add more goals to his game... faith in the youth has me wanting the season to start now!!
Best thing about the Zirkzee 'Here We Go' is it saved us from 20 more mins going round in circles on Southgate
It's hard work listening to Stephen howson
Perfect said! He’s like the cringe friends friend who nobody feels they have the authority to un-invite him to parties 🙄 The way he laughs at his own “jokes” is telling how insecure he is.
Commenting just to say Joe is by far the best asset the Paddock channel has and I hope they all know it and appreciate him.
Southgate has had the easiest runs I’ve ever seen, just look at them. And then he loses to the first decent team he plays.
Stretford Paddock motto - We’re better fans than all of you.
Imagine doing a video about Zirkzee and end up talking about Southgate the whole video.
Would anyone take Southgate as United manager if England win the Euros? Hard no for me
They're trying to do the money-ball thing with a squad that should have finished about 12th last year
We have a goalkeeper and manager that no other team in the league would touch with a barge pole
This is all gonna end in tears - we're now a team that doesn't even compete for top 4
Serious discussion needed, Bellingham is just McTominay with better PR 🤐
I think good managers improve the team, bad managers just need to get out the way.
Zirkzee discussion starts at 22:00
I’ve had to turn this off 10 mins in, surprised I got this far. Ste is unbearable on Southgate. You don’t have to give him credit if you don’t want to but the militant hate is unnecessary
This channel has become 0% analysis and 100% shouting match
Lol, ppl give credits to Southgate "subs" decision .. man, he been blessed with very deep and quality squad, thats why england always win at the end.
Dutch revolution happening at Manchester United , reminds me of Madrid 06 to 08 , they had Ruud, Robben, Sneijder, Vaart, Drentje and
huntelar
Stats can tell any story Ste, Foden might have had fewer games centrally for City than on either wing, but look at his productivity down the centre for City vs either wing. England's problem is trying to shoehorn both Foden and Bellingham. One or the other and plan accordingly for me.
Southgate has achieved success due to inheriting a coherent pattern of play amongst the young team he started with. Up until this tournament Southgate’s England have played like an under-21 side - free flowing football that has served us very well. We didn’t win tournaments mainly because Southgate lacks tactical nouse and is too negative.
That focus on jay for "21 before hes 21" 😂
So many fucking bots here lol
Kobbie Mainoo, the Youngest Elder
It’s really simple for me and my friends all have a consensus on this - Southgate has made more decisions that make me scratch my head or want to bang it compared to decisions I applauded this is a fact. Southgate is a B manager with an A+ squad, so as long as he can keep the ship afloat, it will win the race, but it doesn’t take a genius to drive a straight line but he’s got a Ferrari in this race. For his own standards, Southgate is overachieving atm. Problem is, all the managers before him couldn’t even keep the ship afloat So Southgate looks like a genius right now.
You people have the same discussion about Southgate every other show now.
Southgate has been a good England manager, boring but gets results. He'd not be a good Man Utd manager, end of story.
I ain’t a fan of Southgate but to judge him based on his club management is completely pointless + completely irrelevant,
International football is different some managers are excellent in THAT setting they are still good managers.
Southgate has obviously been excellent 3 semi finals is not done by fluke unless your delusional enough to think that.
Think it can happen pretty easily depending on the draw
Southgate usually loses to the first top 10 team he coms across - in this tournament that was the Netherlands, but they are a very mediocre side
What’s happened to Howson versus? I can’t imagine Ste is short of material!
He's a busy man
As an non-English United fan, England can keep Southgate as their manager for the rest of his life.
I see that he's not technical as a manager. But you have to give him his flowers for the semis as Jay said subbing Saka and Kane takes balls,
Howson is insufferable. Why is he talking like he knows everything 😒