To address all the comments about speed: it was not a speed issue. Just like watching an airliner way up in the sky, it looks much slower than it was going because there is no frame of reference. You don't see the ground much in the video, so the viewer has a difficult time discerning speed, but I was quite high up the majority of the flight and going faster than I normally would with most of my jets because the plane was so unstable and I knew a stall would be disastrous. I had three people observing this flight and none of them thought I was going too slow, even when I asked them about it in retrospect. The only time I was even getting close to maybe getting slow was on that first landing attempt. The rest of the time the throttle was at or above 60%.
I had a scary maiden on mine, too. I pushed the cg forward and lowered the aileron rates to 70%. I also added a lot of expo. I did my 3rd flight with it yesterday, and it's starting to fly much better.
Read several comments that called out tail heavy and I'm going to agree with that as well. This type of aircraft for maiden needs more nose than tail heavy until confident in flight characteristics. Then you can adjust from there. Glad you got it home. I know your nerves were SHOT. LOL
She looked like a hand full for sure. Acted tail heavy. The ailerons twitchy maybe a issue of tail heavy 🤔 keep the nose down and the speed up until she is almost down.
I am not an expert or anything...and just an opinion from a fellow flyer but your whole flight looked if u were flying just above stall speed...The videos that i have seen show this jet needs a reasonable amount of speed or it will drop a wing or it becomes unstable. Glad u got it down in one piece..please update us on your next flight after you have carried out more tests... Thank you for posting...Hope u get it sorted .
It is difficult to get a sense of scale in a camera's POV like this, but I assure you the vast majority of the time I was flying at a reasonable speed. The only time(s) I may have gotten a bit slow was on landing approaches. But even then, I know the dangers of a tip stall, especially with the plane behaving as poorly as it was, so I intentionally kept the speed much higher than I would on nearly other airplane I am flying of a similar size. Thanks for the feedback though.
Try getting noseheavy to be on the safe side for the next flight. And take your nose down, when you are flying slow. In the landing approach it looked like you were slow + nose up, which puts you in the danger of stalling. Keep us posted, what the problem was + all the best!
I'm curious after the post-flight if there was any damage from a possible bind of the flaps and the wing sweep mechanism? One other flight of this 64mm F-14 on YT has shown an asymmetry in the wing sweep mechanism after a crash.
Good job on getting it down safe. Definitely looks tail heavy and seems to tip stall at lower airspeeds. I'd try moving your C of G forward a bit. Keep us posted.
I suggest putting a different receiver in it. Clutching at straws here but it's hard to screw up CG since the wings are marked. With your experience I doubt it was a CG problem.
The horizon F14 Flew very sketchy when I had too much weight in the tale. Trying to find a good CG I have both the 80 mm and 64 mm at 14. My 64 flies really good. It flies even better on four thousands packs
Glad you got your plane down and in one piece. It is a nerve-wracking experience I’m sure! Looked tail heavy to me. I know you trust those Admirals, but in my humble experience, those receivers are sketchy. Almost lost a couple of planes to them, so I don’t use them any more. Hope you are able to figure it out and get your tomcat back in the air! Good luck!
l was thinking about buying one but not now.l have several freewing jets all of them fly good with the f86 being the best.be nice to know what the issue is with the f14.
The F-86 is indeed a sweet flier. I am hoping for a redemption flight this weekend. If successful (and even if I'm not), I plan to post a follow-up video identifying what I think were the key things that resulted in this very poor maiden flight. Stay tuned.
I have this plane. do not make it tail heavy at all. even neutral is kinda sketchy. start a little nose heavy and tweak from there. also do not go by the book for rates they are all way to high specifically for the elvator. being as I have several jets and several with stablators I knew immediately the books throws are way to high. I cut them by 70 on the Aileron and 60 on the elevator. which feel more stable and scale to me. I recommend some kind of gyro until you get it dialed in. as some one else at my flying field has this jet set up by the book.... it ended up in a field.
I don't like anything ever. But I'll give you a thumbs up just for shaming the biker. South park hit the nail on the head when they did that episode huh? I live 30 min north of Daytona and my least favorite weeks of the year are bike week and biketoberfest. Just ordered this f-14 and i feel like aftet watching even the good successful videos... this plane will look a lot better than it flies. Especially where i fly always being cross and sheer winds.
Whew glad you got it down ok ! Nice job . I have one I need to maiden too but the weather has been terrible (northern Illinois) it looked kinda tail heavy to me . I'm definitely going to try to maiden mine nose heavy first . Did you make sure the gyro corrections are going in the right direction? I was on the edge of my seat waiting to see how it landed lol but great landing by the way!! 👍
Yep, I checked the gyro directions before and after. I had the CG right on the molded marks on the wing, so if it's tail heavy, that would be quite shocking to me. I'm still not sure what the heck is wrong. I wish it was something super obvious so I could address it and fly again with confidence. But as-is, I have no idea. I may just go back to scratch, start with a brand new model and go through the manual page by page confirming setup, etc.
@@ShadowVFX yeah definitely weird. I watched the rcinformer guy fly Wesley's plane video he had a couple wing drops on his . Wonder if the cg is a little off in there specs or something . I put a spektrum 5000 in mine and I'm going to try about 18mm back from the front edge of the wood tray
@1:00 you entered a very low speed hard turn...F14's and Corsairs do not like low speed sharp turns. In general, this maiden had the plane flying way too slow. F16's and F22's can handle slow flying all day long...F14's need speed so the TINY horizontal stabilizers can actually control the plane. Engine "pitch" is much higher during takeoff @0:40 than in any other part of your flight....not enough throttle. Nobody else had issues like yours, but they were all flying at near full throttle.
Regarding the turn at the 1min mark. It started nice and shallow and then the plane did that uncommanded pitch/stall/dive. That violent reaction was NOT by command. If you doubt that, go look at the dozens (maybe hundreds) of other RC videos I have of me flying planes. I am not an inexperienced beginner and I know how to fly a plane within its envelope. Part of what made this maiden so stressful was because the plane was doing things completely on its own without my input by me. The sense of speed in the video is misleading. You are watching a zoomed in video of a small plane hundreds of feet up in the sky with no ground reference. No, my experience with over 200+ various RC models tells me I was going plenty fast. As I wrote in my pinned post, it is not a speed issue. I was well about 60% throttle the entire flight and of the 3 observers there that day and none felt the speed I was flying at had anything to do with the plane misbehaving. And regarding "the pitch sound", it's because the plane is 3x further away most of the flight than it was on take off, and the angle of the plane relative to how it was during take off is also different. So of course the pitch sounds different. That seems 100% obvious to me, but I guess I have to point it out. While I won't say this plane has a bad rap, there are plenty of people are having issues with this plane. Not just me. Go search TH-cam and you'll find plenty.
I maidened mine today and it flew like a gem. From what i see in many videos is people who change the setup are having issues. You mentioned that you changed the pushrod to the closest hole on the servo. Not sure why u needed that. It seemed to behave like its tail heavy. I am flying with futaba. The flap setup was a bit annoying for me. The only issue i had on my maiden was that when i swept the wings ( second flight), it was rolling left. Not sure why. I will need to set flight modes with different trims. Landed like a trainer, if you keep the throttle up a bit till touch down. Cant wait for next flight This is a trully awesome plane❤
generally, flying around with flaps deployed is not recommended. because, the lift from flaps is located INBOARD.! and, this actually NOT where more lift is 'wanted'. because, such inboard-located lift partially un-loads the ailerons.!!!
Review your video again (and again if necessary). Can you notice that when the plane is "balancing on a ball" or twitchy, it is predominantly when the rear to rear quarter is pointing at you and even when it's the right side of the plane facing you (your TX)? Whenever it's coming right at you, it appears to fly better. Your plane exhibits the typical reaction to momentary loss of signal (signal is being blanked out by parts of the plane's components) and that has to do with the RX-TX link. You say you are using an Admiral 10-ch with NO satellite. Those Admirals are simply slightly re-worked Lemons (and re-worked in a bad way). Those short wires are USELESS. At the very least, put a compatible sat on it if possible. The best scenario is to throw it in the trash. The Lemon 10-ch with NO sat was garbage - VERY poor range. The ones with a sat, was "OK" (marginal at best). This plane has a lot of wiring that can cause RF interference. It needs a good RX with sat, with all the antennas arranged to cover as many axis as possible. Do a proper range test from every direction of the plane's orientation. You also say it "seemed" like the gyro response directions were correct. If they were indeed correct, you would know it. It would not be a matter of "seeming" to be correct. There would be no question. Additionally, you would also be able to tell very readily when the gyro is in the ON or OFF or level position. Again, no question. Check the values of the switch you assigned to the gyro. If it only "seemed" to you to be working correctly, I suggest you go check it again (but know what you are looking for). Use Wes's video on how to do the control response and gyro response check. Dump that Admiral, use that new Lemon 10-ch RX you said you don't like, put a sat on it, turn ALL gains to ZERO and DO NOT activate the gyro on it at all (it comes with gyro OFF as default but put gains to ZERO as insurance - you DO NOT want to use 2 gyros inline with each other). Do your checks properly before flying.
I have it dialed in now and it flies okay. Landings are tricky. You need to make sure not to let the nose get too high, or she will drop a wing. In my opinion, this is one of the harder EDFs in my collection to land. That said, the plane flies pretty great with wings out. She's fun and looks gorgeous. You just need to be cautious on landings.
They are not lying. I have one.... feels more like you are spinning a plate than flying an rc air plane. I don't think the manual CG and throws are correct as if you set it up by the book it is almost unflyable. moving the cg nose heavy and cutting the throws almost in half make it a much much better flyer.
My E flight Night Timber x does that at times now. Acts like its go a mind of its own . Im thinking of rebinding the model and starting over in its set up. I t looks like your having frame loss . Its short lived and not very stable . Mine might just be a vibration from a bad motor bearing. Hope you figure your issue out. You certainly have way more invested then I do in my Stunt prop plane.
@@friendlyreptile9931 the 64 F-14 has a built-in gyro so if you run as3x it will conflict. The e-flight f14 is a bind and fly. Motion F-14 is plug and Play which needs a receiver. Long story short make sure your receiver gyro is off.
@@colt454 I have thought about getting this model. Didn't realize it has a built-in stab. Is it the FMS REFLEX V2 or V3? Could be a candidate for one of my old 10Ch Lemons with a Remote Rx. If it is active, 2 stabs would fight each other, but Suko says he turned his off and confirmed it after the flight.
it looked like you were flying at stall speed when the wing dropped . every other video they are hacking round not floating about, and there flight times seem a lot shorter 3minets not4 it might be 1 of those planes that have to fly fast
To address all the comments about speed: it was not a speed issue. Just like watching an airliner way up in the sky, it looks much slower than it was going because there is no frame of reference. You don't see the ground much in the video, so the viewer has a difficult time discerning speed, but I was quite high up the majority of the flight and going faster than I normally would with most of my jets because the plane was so unstable and I knew a stall would be disastrous. I had three people observing this flight and none of them thought I was going too slow, even when I asked them about it in retrospect.
The only time I was even getting close to maybe getting slow was on that first landing attempt. The rest of the time the throttle was at or above 60%.
I had a scary maiden on mine, too. I pushed the cg forward and lowered the aileron rates to 70%. I also added a lot of expo. I did my 3rd flight with it yesterday, and it's starting to fly much better.
Read several comments that called out tail heavy and I'm going to agree with that as well. This type of aircraft for maiden needs more nose than tail heavy until confident in flight characteristics. Then you can adjust from there. Glad you got it home. I know your nerves were SHOT. LOL
She looked like a hand full for sure. Acted tail heavy. The ailerons twitchy maybe a issue of tail heavy 🤔 keep the nose down and the speed up until she is almost down.
I am not an expert or anything...and just an opinion from a fellow flyer but your whole flight looked if u were flying just above stall speed...The videos that i have seen show this jet needs a reasonable amount of speed or it will drop a wing or it becomes unstable. Glad u got it down in one piece..please update us on your next flight after you have carried out more tests... Thank you for posting...Hope u get it sorted .
It is difficult to get a sense of scale in a camera's POV like this, but I assure you the vast majority of the time I was flying at a reasonable speed. The only time(s) I may have gotten a bit slow was on landing approaches. But even then, I know the dangers of a tip stall, especially with the plane behaving as poorly as it was, so I intentionally kept the speed much higher than I would on nearly other airplane I am flying of a similar size.
Thanks for the feedback though.
Try getting noseheavy to be on the safe side for the next flight. And take your nose down, when you are flying slow. In the landing approach it looked like you were slow + nose up, which puts you in the danger of stalling.
Keep us posted, what the problem was + all the best!
I'm curious after the post-flight if there was any damage from a possible bind of the flaps and the wing sweep mechanism? One other flight of this 64mm F-14 on YT has shown an asymmetry in the wing sweep mechanism after a crash.
Good job on getting it down safe. Definitely looks tail heavy and seems to tip stall at lower airspeeds. I'd try moving your C of G forward a bit. Keep us posted.
Good save!
Any landing is a good landing 😂
Is every screw tight?… I had an issue like this, and it was just because there was some movement going on, too much flexing in the wing area.
I suggest putting a different receiver in it. Clutching at straws here but it's hard to screw up CG since the wings are marked. With your experience I doubt it was a CG problem.
Good safe, other than the hard landing, at least you got it back for inspection.
Glad you got it down. I watched a lot video's on this new F-14. To me it seems like you are flying it on the slow side.
The horizon F14 Flew very sketchy when I had too much weight in the tale. Trying to find a good CG I have both the 80 mm and 64 mm at 14. My 64 flies really good. It flies even better on four thousands packs
Good job!
I can't even imagine how stressed you were during that flight! I'm going to have a vape and chill out after watching your video! My heart is racing.
Glad you got your plane down and in one piece. It is a nerve-wracking experience I’m sure!
Looked tail heavy to me. I know you trust those Admirals, but in my humble experience, those receivers are sketchy. Almost lost a couple of planes to them, so I don’t use them any more. Hope you are able to figure it out and get your tomcat back in the air! Good luck!
At least we know the landing gear is strong! :D
Yes, it certainly is!
l was thinking about buying one but not now.l have several freewing jets all of them fly good with the f86 being the best.be nice to know what the issue is with the f14.
The F-86 is indeed a sweet flier. I am hoping for a redemption flight this weekend. If successful (and even if I'm not), I plan to post a follow-up video identifying what I think were the key things that resulted in this very poor maiden flight. Stay tuned.
I'm in the same situation right now about the rates. The gyro has to be updated.
Looks like CG issue.
Contact Motion.
Go through the build video and make sure all is well.
There are a lot of pilots struggling with this freewing model, looks great though, but no thanks.
@@stfuliberal can you do a flight review of the Arrows 1100mm P51? Would love it.
I think this mightve happened to my arrows mig too. Flew ok in one direction and then kept in losing elevator to zero control and crashed.
I have this plane. do not make it tail heavy at all. even neutral is kinda sketchy. start a little nose heavy and tweak from there. also do not go by the book for rates they are all way to high specifically for the elvator. being as I have several jets and several with stablators I knew immediately the books throws are way to high. I cut them by 70 on the Aileron and 60 on the elevator. which feel more stable and scale to me. I recommend some kind of gyro until you get it dialed in. as some one else at my flying field has this jet set up by the book.... it ended up in a field.
Thanks. Those are all things I'm adjusting/tweaking before the next flight.
You tell him to land that plane…..That’s an order!
I don't like anything ever. But I'll give you a thumbs up just for shaming the biker. South park hit the nail on the head when they did that episode huh? I live 30 min north of Daytona and my least favorite weeks of the year are bike week and biketoberfest. Just ordered this f-14 and i feel like aftet watching even the good successful videos... this plane will look a lot better than it flies. Especially where i fly always being cross and sheer winds.
Tail heavy with to much aileron throw. A little more speed on approach wouldn't hurt.
Whew glad you got it down ok ! Nice job . I have one I need to maiden too but the weather has been terrible (northern Illinois) it looked kinda tail heavy to me . I'm definitely going to try to maiden mine nose heavy first . Did you make sure the gyro corrections are going in the right direction? I was on the edge of my seat waiting to see how it landed lol but great landing by the way!! 👍
Yep, I checked the gyro directions before and after. I had the CG right on the molded marks on the wing, so if it's tail heavy, that would be quite shocking to me. I'm still not sure what the heck is wrong. I wish it was something super obvious so I could address it and fly again with confidence. But as-is, I have no idea. I may just go back to scratch, start with a brand new model and go through the manual page by page confirming setup, etc.
@@ShadowVFX yeah definitely weird. I watched the rcinformer guy fly Wesley's plane video he had a couple wing drops on his . Wonder if the cg is a little off in there specs or something . I put a spektrum 5000 in mine and I'm going to try about 18mm back from the front edge of the wood tray
@1:00 you entered a very low speed hard turn...F14's and Corsairs do not like low speed sharp turns. In general, this maiden had the plane flying way too slow. F16's and F22's can handle slow flying all day long...F14's need speed so the TINY horizontal stabilizers can actually control the plane. Engine "pitch" is much higher during takeoff @0:40 than in any other part of your flight....not enough throttle. Nobody else had issues like yours, but they were all flying at near full throttle.
Regarding the turn at the 1min mark. It started nice and shallow and then the plane did that uncommanded pitch/stall/dive. That violent reaction was NOT by command. If you doubt that, go look at the dozens (maybe hundreds) of other RC videos I have of me flying planes. I am not an inexperienced beginner and I know how to fly a plane within its envelope. Part of what made this maiden so stressful was because the plane was doing things completely on its own without my input by me.
The sense of speed in the video is misleading. You are watching a zoomed in video of a small plane hundreds of feet up in the sky with no ground reference. No, my experience with over 200+ various RC models tells me I was going plenty fast. As I wrote in my pinned post, it is not a speed issue. I was well about 60% throttle the entire flight and of the 3 observers there that day and none felt the speed I was flying at had anything to do with the plane misbehaving.
And regarding "the pitch sound", it's because the plane is 3x further away most of the flight than it was on take off, and the angle of the plane relative to how it was during take off is also different. So of course the pitch sounds different. That seems 100% obvious to me, but I guess I have to point it out.
While I won't say this plane has a bad rap, there are plenty of people are having issues with this plane. Not just me. Go search TH-cam and you'll find plenty.
Seems so slow. ESC ?
Did you ever figure out what the issue was
I did make a follow-up video where I tried to answer as many questions as I could.
th-cam.com/video/9umyH9hd35U/w-d-xo.html
It looked a little tall. Heavy great job in handling that air 14 are very sensitive to C. G
I maidened mine today and it flew like a gem. From what i see in many videos is people who change the setup are having issues. You mentioned that you changed the pushrod to the closest hole on the servo. Not sure why u needed that. It seemed to behave like its tail heavy.
I am flying with futaba. The flap setup was a bit annoying for me.
The only issue i had on my maiden was that when i swept the wings ( second flight), it was rolling left. Not sure why. I will need to set flight modes with different trims.
Landed like a trainer, if you keep the throttle up a bit till touch down. Cant wait for next flight
This is a trully awesome plane❤
One click up from stall speed the whole time. Where was your throttle?
Not rly
you said 'servo horn'. did you mean arm. best advice seems to be to have a more-forward cg; and try to make the ailerons less sensitive, again. d
generally, flying around with flaps deployed is not recommended. because, the lift from flaps is located INBOARD.! and, this actually NOT where more lift is 'wanted'. because, such inboard-located lift partially un-loads the ailerons.!!!
Review your video again (and again if necessary). Can you notice that when the plane is "balancing on a ball" or twitchy, it is predominantly when the rear to rear quarter is pointing at you and even when it's the right side of the plane facing you (your TX)? Whenever it's coming right at you, it appears to fly better. Your plane exhibits the typical reaction to momentary loss of signal (signal is being blanked out by parts of the plane's components) and that has to do with the RX-TX link. You say you are using an Admiral 10-ch with NO satellite. Those Admirals are simply slightly re-worked Lemons (and re-worked in a bad way). Those short wires are USELESS. At the very least, put a compatible sat on it if possible. The best scenario is to throw it in the trash. The Lemon 10-ch with NO sat was garbage - VERY poor range. The ones with a sat, was "OK" (marginal at best). This plane has a lot of wiring that can cause RF interference. It needs a good RX with sat, with all the antennas arranged to cover as many axis as possible. Do a proper range test from every direction of the plane's orientation. You also say it "seemed" like the gyro response directions were correct. If they were indeed correct, you would know it. It would not be a matter of "seeming" to be correct. There would be no question. Additionally, you would also be able to tell very readily when the gyro is in the ON or OFF or level position. Again, no question. Check the values of the switch you assigned to the gyro. If it only "seemed" to you to be working correctly, I suggest you go check it again (but know what you are looking for). Use Wes's video on how to do the control response and gyro response check. Dump that Admiral, use that new Lemon 10-ch RX you said you don't like, put a sat on it, turn ALL gains to ZERO and DO NOT activate the gyro on it at all (it comes with gyro OFF as default but put gains to ZERO as insurance - you DO NOT want to use 2 gyros inline with each other). Do your checks properly before flying.
Is this plane not good to fly??
I have it dialed in now and it flies okay. Landings are tricky. You need to make sure not to let the nose get too high, or she will drop a wing. In my opinion, this is one of the harder EDFs in my collection to land. That said, the plane flies pretty great with wings out. She's fun and looks gorgeous. You just need to be cautious on landings.
seems a lot of youtubers are saying this thing is very twitchy.
They are not lying. I have one.... feels more like you are spinning a plate than flying an rc air plane. I don't think the manual CG and throws are correct as if you set it up by the book it is almost unflyable. moving the cg nose heavy and cutting the throws almost in half make it a much much better flyer.
My E flight Night Timber x does that at times now. Acts like its go a mind of its own . Im thinking of rebinding the model and starting over in its set up. I t looks like your having frame loss . Its short lived and not very stable . Mine might just be a vibration from a bad motor bearing. Hope you figure your issue out. You certainly have way more invested then I do in my Stunt prop plane.
Don't buy till a v2 comes out
I'm sure you've already considered this but if you're using a spectrum as3x make sure to disable it
Why should one do so? The E-Filte F14 has as3x too and flies god with that or m i wrong?
@@friendlyreptile9931 the 64 F-14 has a built-in gyro so if you run as3x it will conflict. The e-flight f14 is a bind and fly. Motion F-14 is plug and Play which needs a receiver. Long story short make sure your receiver gyro is off.
@@colt454 I have thought about getting this model. Didn't realize it has a built-in stab. Is it the FMS REFLEX V2 or V3? Could be a candidate for one of my old 10Ch Lemons with a Remote Rx. If it is active, 2 stabs would fight each other, but Suko says he turned his off and confirmed it after the flight.
it looked like you were flying at stall speed when the wing dropped . every other video they are hacking round not floating about, and there flight times seem a lot shorter 3minets not4
it might be 1 of those planes that have to fly fast
Looks out of trim on takeoff , also to slow on your flight. Gotta keep the speed up in the turns
Must go faster, must go faster
Ive personally seen 5 jets at my field crash using admirals
Are you talking Admiral batteries or Rxs?
@@hifinsword admiral recievers no one uses admiral batteries though so can't comment on those .