I would believe, that there is a connection between Ragnaros and Thrall in Cataclysm. Where Thrall accidantlly summoned Ragnaros. Which triggered the whole stuff with the Firelands.
Thrall had a vision of Raganaros. He didn't summon him. The stuff with the Firelands was happening because parts of the Firelands were summoned into Azeroth by Deathwing. Play the Hyjal intro, my friend.
It was just the first thing that came up in my mind. My Memorys are not the best, but i simply thought about the Trailer for the Patch. I am sorry for that mixed up.
Maybe. But I feel the selection of event bosses would be a bit odd if it were that, unless more would be added in the weeks to come. Looking back at 9 expansions with dozens of bosses, but only remembering 2 from classic and one from WotLK doesn't really make sense to me.
@@1hej0k3r its not that deep, onyxia ragnaros and arthas are 3 of the most recognizable bosses in wow's history. there are other wow staples like hogger, hakkar, thorim etc. in the events as well.
@1hej0k3r the lack of diversity is likely a result of development time. OP may be on to something still, people see their life flash before their eyes because their brain is desperately searching for a way to avoid their fate.
I think khadgar constantly telling me "I remember this one" when he literally was chilling on outland growing the most epic beard in Warcraft history is gonna drive me insane
Yes, it is Marshall Windsor in Dustwallow. If you did the Ony questline as Ally back in Vanilla you get a dialogue option to tell him "I remember you."
I think it only available on Humans that dialog option, I am not sure if you need to do something special, the Char of my didn't do the ony quest but finished the human heritage quest
You're right. I just went to check on Windsor with the only Alliance character that I did the questline with back in vanilla and I got that dialogue. With all my other characters, Alliance or Horde, I just got the dialogue of him introducing himself.
@@DKHZStudio My character hasn't done the heritage quest as I havent played her for since TBC and with the level squitch, she's just level 30 something.
@@smallpandochka Really? That's your best guess? That seems more plausible to you than a continuity error? If you had to pick what the authors meant, you'd say that they had Khadgar remembering it from the books rather than the authors just giving him a phrase fitting his role/type and moving on?
So, a few things I found interesting. 1. Out of everything that gets "remembered" The Twilights Hammer gets oddly forgotten by Azeroth. Why not add in void cult going into a Void expansion. 2. I feel like Azeroth is pulling from our memories somehow due to some of these events being EXTREMELY trivial. STV pages, Hogger, Deviate Delights, and others all seem more tied to our player experience than with Azeroth's core memory
While I understand the possible Lich King/Yogg Saron connection, I think he's part of the event just for nostalgia's sake. If they really wanted to focus on the Old Gods, we would have had Radiant Echoes appear in the Twilight Highlands, Pandaria, Zandalar and Kul Tiras.
The Lich King - Yogg connection was the implied source of his actions in Wrath of the Lich king, and probably everything before, but all of that got retconned by the Jailer being the source.
When Arthus was born, Tirisfal Glades whispered a name to King Menethil... Arthas... Xal'atath and the Old God General were found beneath Tirisfal, where the General was buried. In the most recent cinematic, the Princess Killed the Queen, nearly identically as Arthus killed his father. This leads me to believe that Xal'atath could have been in-play leading Arthus down the path to ICC into the grips of Yogg-Saron. --- If thats the case, it throws another huge twist in Shadowlands.
@@bryanbopp3669 although this is an interesting speculation, it does consider the impact of the Legion/Ner'zhul elements. God, how I hate Shadowlands destroying the old lore.
because of his domination magic because frostmourne and helm of domination are artifacts objects vessels and weapons of domination magic while domination magic is controlled corruptive dark dangerous and evil.
i think its because they are memorable to wow veterans. lich king, onyxia, ragnoras, hogger are the most famous fights with the latter being the strongest.
honestly i think it wouldve been much cooler to "relive" things that happened on azeroth but we as the player never got to see, granted alot of these wouldve been dificult like the draenei crashing their ship, the original opening of the dark portal (yes i know caverns of time, but frankly 20 orcs comming out of the portal doesnt look that impressive) etc
Sargeras: "My Burning Legion and I have manipulated events, leading to this final victory!" N'zoth: "My whispers have warped the history of your world, leading to this outcome!" The Jailer: "I am responsible for everything that ever happened!" Xal'Atath: "Hey, guess what you guys..!" Are we really doing this again?
@@HiddenEvilStudios you're obviously wrong. female lead protagonists are nothing new, and definitely not new to wow. "DEI" just the newest "blame-all" buzzword for terminally online neckbeards that watch too much asmongold and who want a way to explain away all women and people of color in any positions of power or authority. It used to be "SJW's", then "woke!", and now it's DEI.
@@HiddenEvilStudios No you are wrong. What's wrong with a female villain influencing things behind the scenes? You seem to view any female villain with that much power as a "girlboss" or DEI. People bitching about "DEI" tend to be the kind of people who think men should be allowed to beat and rape their wives.
The old gods always had an uncanny ability to exist even after death and even exist and or even manifest in smaller pieces. Y'Shaarj was able to still exist through the very lands of Pandaria through not only his own heart and blood but also the very emotions made manifest by its people and with the experiments from the titans, this same matter can even come together to form an entirely different old god. The same could very well be said for Yog'Sarron, considering his very blood was used to build the Icecrown Citadel. It is likely that the citadel is as much a part of Yog'Sarron due to that very powerful yet equally mysterious Old God Blood. Taking all of this into account, there is a chance that Yog wasn't kidding when he said he was the God of Death. See, what if due to having a high concentration of death magic in him, Yog was able to manifest a different part of himself in the Shadowlands in order for the void to infiltrate the realms of death, like the strange entity we know as the Maw. What if the Primus was able to imprison the Maw (yog) using its blood of sorts to create Torghast, an infinite prison to trap an infinite being among other horrors. Considering that Maldraxxians have been known to make use of their fleshy, whatever the heck it is land they live on, land to create all sorts of vessels structures and even weapons it doesn't seem to be too far fetch that they would try to make use of Old God remnants. Not only that, what if the Primus experimenting on the Maw is what lead him to inventing domination magic and all the terrible domination gear the Lich King would come to wear.
I wonder if devourers play any role in all this? Invaders from outside the known cosmos, sucking out all the energy they could from literally everywhere but the Maw (and Oribos).
We do see a nerubian in the new CGI cinematic seemingly brewing something up with a vial of what looks to be black blood in front of a giant purple limb. The old god blood might be somewhat of a thing going forward.
strange entity known as The Maw... its not an entity it was constructed along with the rest of the sub-realns, as the dumping ground if Revendreth didnt work, and in very rare cases, some souls were just bad enough that the AI Arbiter would send them there directly.
I’m surprised no one thought of that. If YShaarj was able to live after death in the form of the Sha. Wouldn’t it be possible for the other Old Gods to do the same?
Personally im guessing its how Dimensius the voidlord was originally brought into the universe using the artifact which the artifact is implied to outdate Neltharion, which Dimensius resulted in the destruction of K’aresh.
I'll get thrashed for this but I mean, Lich king was created way after Zovaal saw this "threat" on the way, ( most likely voidlords and cosmological war), so lich king wouldnt exist in the first place if Zovaal didn't go mad and was imprisoned within maw, he captured master of domination magic and created the mourneblades. So Lich king is still somehow connected to the void because those events happened way earlier before even Ner'zhul was in plan apparently. P.s: I still ride Primus being the mastermind behind Jailer theory, it all fits so well perfectly as it was Blizzard's original plan for the Shadowlands expansion. Even before expac reveal the concept art of Jailer indicates more Primus relevancy then Zovaal. Other then that everything Zovaal did from being the Arbiter to being imprisoned in the maw and capturing "runecarver" doesnt make 1 bit sense. Guy has no domination magic whatsoever, only confirmed figure in Warcraft universe that has created domination magic and can use it is Primus, the master tactician of Shadowlands... and he lost to bald arbiter in the place he imprisoned him within and already carved domination runes onto his body? gtf o man, it was always weird, even when shadowlands was live back then during 9.1. Just remember.... "Vassal of life disguises treachery, beware the eyes of green" - LL'GYNOTH 8.3 , PATCH RIGHT BEFORE SHADOWLANDS RELEASE (Ofc zovaal was "treacherous" one in SL since he "betrayed" his brothers and sisters)... just let that sink in
Also for those that think why would Primus even want that, just remember Titan Pantheon and Death Pantheon (eternal ones) were no mystery to one another, Primus was also told to have distant ALLY through the timeways that taught him alot of things, this ALLY is assumed to be Aman'thul 99%, knowing everything that we know now going into worldsoul saga makes even more sense. Definetly Primus played the mind game there, through someone else he tried to harness the power of Azeroth through sepulchure of the first ones to "Remake reality" is what we were told. We played all into his hand, Zovaal was just dominated through whole expansion (his runes and eyes glowing just like anduin when he was dominated) till very last few seconds when he was deteriorating when we defeated him at Sepulchure. Only then he was reseeing his memories all before the point he was carved with domination runes onto his body. Also Chronicles Vol. 4 mentiones someone in Shadowlands (DEATH) made a bargain with LIGHT.... Hmmm who that may be.... (Primus... Who crafted Crown of wills, Who literally made a light entity the new arbiter.) Light is also connected to Order anb Titans. Like so many proof i didnt even mention here supports it way overboard.
Honestly, I believe one of the reasons why Lich King and the Yogg connection makes sense is... the fact that we go to Ulduar for the third expansion of the worldsoul saga. There's DEFINITELY something latent being there, and Northrend was no accident.
The pre-event has changed since you made this (I'm assuming you made it on day 2 or 3?). There's no wait times for the bosses - the event starts over as soon as it dies, and you stay in that zone for one hour and all the 'quests' restart, then the boss comes back. At the top of the hour a new zone starts up, same deal. Very farmable. It's been great for levelling alts - all mine are 70 now and it didn't take ages at all. Plus the event currency was buffed AND there's drops.
I find one memory interesting in particular! Thorim in Dragonblight. He seems to actually be aware that he's being created as a memory, wondering where he his, and that he recognises the champions. No other memories have done that as far as I've noticed.
@Nobel87, I have a theory, i believe the Dark Heart is actually the Karesh equivalent to the Heart of Azeroth, somehow brought here by X'alatath in ages past. Maybe that is how Neltharion was corrupted, by studying it ? He might have made the dragon soul after it. Also, what if when we "destroy" N'zoth, we actually allow him some access into the chamber of the heart since that is where that beam comes from, or N'zoth is in the dagger and he will do as X'alatath did, N'zoth is certainly not dead.
As much as I like supporting my favorite content creators, I would love a way to enjoy the lore of WoW in the actual game. I just got done my playthrough of the dragonflight story (which somehow I accidentily did out of order) and needed to watch like 45 minutes of Nobbel videos to understand what just happened and to kind of understand stuff going into TWW. On top of that, fact that blizzard is doing emotional storytelling, adding depth to these characters seems like a good idea at times, but often times it flew straight over my head when I dont really know who a person is or what happened to make them feel sad or hopeless. When it hits, it hits, but other times when I was missing context I felt like I was eavesdropping on some strangers private therapy sessions.
I think it is simply meant to be the connection to those in the chamber. Wrynn to Onyxia, Jaina to Arthas, Thrall to Ragnaros. Is Thrall as strongly related to Ragnaros? No, but he is a shaman and therefore strongly connected to the elements, and he tried his best to hold the elements in check during especially the cataclysm.
8:03 if it was just Ragnaros and the Lichking ied say they are both linked to the old gods but I can’t say I can see a link between Onyxia but I have forgotten most of the story details around her, I mean the Lichking built his home out of old god blood (it’s a shame they never really did anything with his ghost of him when he was a kid that you can find under ICC that would have been a cool story to follow up on considering that Arthus thought he’ed killed that part of him). Oh yeah I keep thinking that Onyxia was a Red for some reason.
Onyxia has ZERO aOld God connection.. save for the residual corruption from Neltharion thru his consort and children... but se wee that even Wrathion, an actual Grandchild whose birth was manipulated is still susceptible to that VOid corruption.. .Same thing with Ebyssian when he finally left Highmountain/Broken Isels for first time in centuries he was immediately attacked by those influences.
Sorry, Noble, but I think the only commonality between all the events is the fact that players participated in them. (Perhaps being connected to Azeroth as we are , she was able to see these events through our eyes and that’s why she remembers them so clearly.)
If I remember correctly, the Icecrown Citadel is made of Saronite, the Blood of Yog-Saron. I feel like there was some theories back in Wrath that Yog-Saron was manipulating the Lich King to some degree to facilitate its escape, but I'm not sure. So there does seem to be a tenuous connection to the void.
I have a theory that K'aresh wasn't just devoured by Dimensius. I think Dimensius was the world soul inside of K'aresh. I think Xal'atath, or some other harbinger, successfully turned him over to the void and the devouring was basically just an automatic process as the world soul woke up and the void energies consumed and destroyed everything in its path.
Hmm. You may be onto something. The Ethereals did say they heard a similar song to the one Azeroth is singing before Dimensius appeared. So maybe it was K’aresh’s world soul crying out for help, before it was corrupted by the void.
Brooding teenager Magni feels so bizarre. Like, that guy was all about his dedication to the world. Now he's moody because he doesn't get enough of hugs.
The event memories are fun as a player. Encountering these old boss fights is fun. But, wouldn’t the Black Empire or Old God yoink or the Sundering or Cataclysm be memories that impacted more on Azeroth? Idk I’m just a dude
@@Nobbel87 I'm playing on my Shdow Priest and apparently understand a good amount of it.. or something.. I know I can understand what the Faceless Ones speak.
I’d love to be able to play the pre-expansion event. Literally every time one of the big memories spawns and I’m within range, my game crashes. By the time I get back in the game, the memory has already been killed OR I’m dead. Like I know I have an older computer, but it shouldn’t crash just by having people play the game near me.
NGL, given all the non-related things like Hoggers, the Stranglethorn stuff, etc, I don't think it's worth reading too much into. IMO it's just another serving of nostalgia bait like Blizz has made a habit of in recent years. If you tried making a list of what iconic memorable things come to mind when you ask a veteran WoW player, these are pretty much a full bingo. Trying to attach it to current events is stretching it a bit, in my humble opinion. EDIT: Also, if it truly was related to the Old Gods, or even Azeroth herself, I don't think they'd limit it to the events of Vanilla-to-now. Because it's such a tiny stretch of history that completely ignores the truly memorable and important things that took place in the world. The Sundering, the Black Empire, the war between Old Gods and Titans, etc. Heck, even Sargeras' stab of Azeroth should be there.
Weirdly, Xal is not evil to my way of thinking. She's a Void creature (maybe). That is what they do. And the Titans screwed up by ordering some of the Void. This is Titan chickens coming home to roost. And the stuff she instigated...all of those shown were overly ambitious people who wanted more and more power with no responsibility to balance it out. It's why we give leaders power but insist they be ethical, and keep order and good at the forefront of their decisions. Otherwise, you vote them out or overthrow them. To the real-life counterparts, money, drugs, sex and power are all Xal'atath. She gave them the means, perhaps, but it was all of their actions after, and their innermost desires. She just helped them be made manifest. To me, being angry at Xal is like being angry with fire. It must be controlled, used to our benefit and studied, but it just "is".
Xal'atath has been behind everything all along, she even manipulated the Jailer... It's like Naruto shit, there's always a greater villain pulling the strings, ridiculous
But they've built her up and teased her for a while. There is precedent for her. Metzen inserted this bullet in chzekov's gun back in legion and they're just now pulling the trigger. Legion was 8 years ago irl. In that time, Xalatath has appeared in various ways in the game, more notably in BFA. The jailer was an as$-pull to begin with and then they also didn't develop him at all as a character or show his motivations whatsoever. Xalatath has none of the issues that the jailer had. Also, she's part of an established force associated with old gods, which their whole gimmick is they are incredibly patient and play chess while everybody else is playing checkers. It kinda just works on so many levels that relate to OG lore, whereas the jailer didn't work on any level.
I feel like we are too used there only being one bad guy. Several forces are trying to manipulate Azeroth, if not all forces. The jailer manipulating events doesn't exclude the void/light/nature from doing the same.
What a way for the "radiant song" to go out of its way for out of everyone on azeroth to pick the same group of joe schmoes who we've quested with for the past 3 expansions. Who'd have thunk?
@@kingkmtso5107 last time I checked we were the ones doing all the fighting with them just being there at the right place at the right time become proxy in taking all the credit.
So, did Xal'atath manipulate the Jailer too? Is the next expansion after this one gonna be about a 100D Chess master manipulator whose master plan included her?
I swear to god if they bring back the unconfirmed plot thread of Yogg having influence over the LK after over a decade of not touching it, I’m gonna throw a fit. It’s just so dumb. Not the theory, the theory is actually pretty neat. But I thought the Jailer was supposed to be the one pulling the strings with Arthas, and that the Jailer is supposed to be a bigger deal than the Old Gods, but now apparently Yogg could’ve been influencing the Jailer’s “plan” the whole time? The fuck?
@@DanielScutt I always thought that they said Arthas failed because he died to us in ICC, but I like your theory that Yogg caused him to deviate from the Jailer's plan and "fail". I've always been bitter that they made the Jailer a "bigger threat" than seemingly both the Burning Legion and the Void Lords/Old Gods, so making it so the old gods still messed with the Jailer eases that bitterness a bit
@@DanielScutt didnt they clearly explained it to us in great detail in Chorelands? that due to the smallest part of humanity that still resided in Arthas, that he was able to reject the Failors total control over him and used the power he held over the scourge to build up his own vision of defense for azeroth, by expanding his armies. and that he build ICC, which was made out of Pure saronite, just to spit Yogg in the face because, and that was the EXACT explanation as to why, due to the undead's fractured connection of body and mind, the old gods and void magics were unable to mind control the Undead.
Wow community: “the Jailor being behind literally everything in the wow universe is stupid.” Also wow community: “omg Xal’atath might have been behind literally everything in the wow universe.”
Hmm so Ragnaros and Onyxia were definitely both directly connected to the Old Gods in some way. The Lich King? Only thing I could think of other than the Saronite connection would be Tyr’s Fall.
I do but very casually/keeping up with the story. Hmm my preferance been swapping tbh. Really enjoyed plunderstorm, remix, sod season 1 and 2 and then rotate back to retail. Not much for cata classic though
This seems like a cool event but the comment section seems to disagree. Maybe its just because FFXIV doesnt really do pre-patch events like at all so this seems like something that would be really cool to have.
prepatch events are never amazing anyways. Like they're super cool thematically and offer some nice rewards, but I'm kind of over playing them after 20 years. I'll log on when the expansion actually releases, lol. You are correct though. Nice little patch to have.
Imagine how cool it would have been if instead of The Jailer being the mastermind, it had been revealed that upon his defeat, Yog'Saron, steeped in the powers of the realm of Death, had actually infiltrated it and, through the connection and influence he had over the Lich King, had been controlling the Jailer and manipulating events. One can only dream, but what a twist that would have been, rather than them retconning the story to make the least likable and most uninteresting character in modern Warcraft history the most pivotal and important one. But nah, no one liked the OG Old Gods anyway; let's retcon them and do this bizarre fanfic instead.
@@Nobbel87 makes sense, was getting into conspiracy theory area that somehow legion is coming back and all the events are manipulated by demons :D thanks
So what the heck does the title refer to? That one tidbit of Grim Batol? That's it? The rest is pretending that this unimaginative fun is an actual lore? Come the heck on, surely you can't throat Blizzard's stick that hard. Is there even a point when you say enough is enough or is everything they spit out a sacred unquestionable gospel? Like cmon, this is clearly just some bs to pass the time, even the Magni randomly being blasted before saying the important stuff is cliche dumbness turned to 11. Can't you take more fitting aproach? Parody, sarcasm, meta commentary, double-down on rp, guidebook turned comedy, viewer interaction, overall picture/mood...anything other than the same serious take used for an actual lore.
Sort of but on a smaller scale and build up earlier. Jailer got to dip his hands in pretty much all of warcrafts history and was dropped suddenly in the Shadowlands. So far Xal'atath has had moments in Azeroths past described back in Legion + history with the Ethereals.
We've already had similar BS with Zovaal being responsible for the creation of the Burning Legion, and now Blizz pushes another narrative of things in the past happening because of some knife? That's extreme level of lazy storywriting. Modern Blizzard doesn't give two damns about story anymore, as each and every expansion since Cata is basically another retcon.
You're playing the wrong game then, good sir. This is the game that never ends. And it goes on and on my friend. Some people started playing it not knowing what it was, and they'll continue playing it forever just because...
It's understandable. But I kinda agree. You'd think he'd be more open to figuring out why he wasn't hearing from her. Maybe she wasn't fine that whole time.
people eating this trash up, this plot if its true is even worse than the Jailers "It was me, DIO" revelation in shadowlands. we are going to replace Dio, with Eobarda Thawne. "I was me, Barry".
"but she hot". Probably the mindset. Nobbel is literally the only reasoon i still have any contact to the IP. Cause i once loved the universe. Even BFA i was like "ok, lets see where this is going". Stopped launch patch of shadowlands.
Kinda, but the Xalatath stuff so far is mostly from Legion, from the time chronicles was written. All that shit with her manipulating dark iron emperor's wife is straight from the priest artifact lore book in their class hall. To me, Jailer is still definitely worse, since xalatath doesn't step on the toes of established lore quite as much. Zovaal manipulating Kil'Jaeden into making the Lich King by giving him death magic is kinda understandable... kinda. But him literally being the mastermind behind sargeras's fall and essentially the entire rest of the lore because of that is just ridiculous.
This mindset never fails to amaze me. The amount of people that "hate follow" warcraft content is so strange to me. Just find something different that you enjoy!
Go play ESO then. Sarcasm aside, TES lore blows Warcraft so far out of the water it’s insane, they’re not even in the same league But like fr, if you hate wow lore so much, try something else
This game become promoter of wierd stuff and WARR SUPPORTER, dont care wich side, dont belong in gaming world. when politic shet enter to game you know its over, forcing some colors and woman with beard, COUPLE MOTHS AGO THERE WAS PET FOR UKRAINE wow is rip, when become focused on promoting own opinions about real world and not focused on game, there is no comeback
I've noticed your outro is mildly annoying since you don't pronounce the words fully, especially "if you enjoyed this one" - a master orator such as yourself shouldn't forget the details!
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I would believe, that there is a connection between Ragnaros and Thrall in Cataclysm. Where Thrall accidantlly summoned Ragnaros. Which triggered the whole stuff with the Firelands.
OW YEAAAAAAAAAA rage of the firelands, good catch!
DOnt be a goober.. Thrall didnt summon Ragnaros, DEATHWING DID.. It's right there in that opening flight on My Hyjal...
Thrall had a vision of Raganaros. He didn't summon him. The stuff with the Firelands was happening because parts of the Firelands were summoned into Azeroth by Deathwing. Play the Hyjal intro, my friend.
You see deathwing summon ragnaros outside the entrance to the fireland raid
It was just the first thing that came up in my mind. My Memorys are not the best, but i simply thought about the Trailer for the Patch. I am sorry for that mixed up.
I see the prepatch event memories likened to someone’s life flashing before their eyes before death.
Maybe. But I feel the selection of event bosses would be a bit odd if it were that, unless more would be added in the weeks to come. Looking back at 9 expansions with dozens of bosses, but only remembering 2 from classic and one from WotLK doesn't really make sense to me.
An interesting take.
If this was the case, then she'll be remembering 90% troll and elf stuff since that was a majority of the history of WoW
@@1hej0k3r its not that deep, onyxia ragnaros and arthas are 3 of the most recognizable bosses in wow's history. there are other wow staples like hogger, hakkar, thorim etc. in the events as well.
@1hej0k3r the lack of diversity is likely a result of development time. OP may be on to something still, people see their life flash before their eyes because their brain is desperately searching for a way to avoid their fate.
I think khadgar constantly telling me "I remember this one" when he literally was chilling on outland growing the most epic beard in Warcraft history is gonna drive me insane
I said that first
Yes, it is Marshall Windsor in Dustwallow. If you did the Ony questline as Ally back in Vanilla you get a dialogue option to tell him "I remember you."
That's weird cause I did it on a new character and Ive only been playing since Shadowlands and I got that option
@@kingkmtso5107 I haven't gotten that option on any of my other characters.
I think it only available on Humans that dialog option, I am not sure if you need to do something special, the Char of my didn't do the ony quest but finished the human heritage quest
You're right. I just went to check on Windsor with the only Alliance character that I did the questline with back in vanilla and I got that dialogue. With all my other characters, Alliance or Horde, I just got the dialogue of him introducing himself.
@@DKHZStudio My character hasn't done the heritage quest as I havent played her for since TBC and with the level squitch, she's just level 30 something.
Can someone explain how Khadgar "remembers this one" when he was stuck behind the Dark Portal for most of these events?
He remembera being undergeared in tbc
A wizard did it
They fired their Lore historians
He reads a lot of books, maybe he remembers because he saw it in one of them. That's my best guess
@@smallpandochka Really? That's your best guess? That seems more plausible to you than a continuity error?
If you had to pick what the authors meant, you'd say that they had Khadgar remembering it from the books rather than the authors just giving him a phrase fitting his role/type and moving on?
So, a few things I found interesting.
1. Out of everything that gets "remembered" The Twilights Hammer gets oddly forgotten by Azeroth. Why not add in void cult going into a Void expansion.
2. I feel like Azeroth is pulling from our memories somehow due to some of these events being EXTREMELY trivial. STV pages, Hogger, Deviate Delights, and others all seem more tied to our player experience than with Azeroth's core memory
I cant believe we interrupted jaina when she was trying reach magni about his car warranty
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who immediately thought this bwahaha
While I understand the possible Lich King/Yogg Saron connection, I think he's part of the event just for nostalgia's sake. If they really wanted to focus on the Old Gods, we would have had Radiant Echoes appear in the Twilight Highlands, Pandaria, Zandalar and Kul Tiras.
The Lich King - Yogg connection was the implied source of his actions in Wrath of the Lich king, and probably everything before, but all of that got retconned by the Jailer being the source.
When Arthus was born, Tirisfal Glades whispered a name to King Menethil... Arthas...
Xal'atath and the Old God General were found beneath Tirisfal, where the General was buried.
In the most recent cinematic, the Princess Killed the Queen, nearly identically as Arthus killed his father.
This leads me to believe that Xal'atath could have been in-play leading Arthus down the path to ICC into the grips of Yogg-Saron. --- If thats the case, it throws another huge twist in Shadowlands.
@@bryanbopp3669 although this is an interesting speculation, it does consider the impact of the Legion/Ner'zhul elements.
God, how I hate Shadowlands destroying the old lore.
because of his domination magic because frostmourne and helm of domination are artifacts objects vessels and weapons of domination magic while domination magic is controlled corruptive dark dangerous and evil.
i think its because they are memorable to wow veterans. lich king, onyxia, ragnoras, hogger are the most famous fights with the latter being the strongest.
glad I could finally hear the dialog... early on it bugged out on me and everything lost audio... it was also glitchy and buggy.
honestly i think it wouldve been much cooler to "relive" things that happened on azeroth but we as the player never got to see, granted alot of these wouldve been dificult like the draenei crashing their ship, the original opening of the dark portal (yes i know caverns of time, but frankly 20 orcs comming out of the portal doesnt look that impressive) etc
Sargeras: "My Burning Legion and I have manipulated events, leading to this final victory!"
N'zoth: "My whispers have warped the history of your world, leading to this outcome!"
The Jailer: "I am responsible for everything that ever happened!"
Xal'Atath: "Hey, guess what you guys..!"
Are we really doing this again?
Yup, just with more girlbossing and DEI hires this time.
@@HiddenEvilStudios I'm sorry but anyone bitching about that is just being a sexist. And people can influence things differently
@@ryanmoore6259 You're calling me names but you're not calling me wrong. Telling.
@@HiddenEvilStudios you're obviously wrong. female lead protagonists are nothing new, and definitely not new to wow. "DEI" just the newest "blame-all" buzzword for terminally online neckbeards that watch too much asmongold and who want a way to explain away all women and people of color in any positions of power or authority. It used to be "SJW's", then "woke!", and now it's DEI.
@@HiddenEvilStudios No you are wrong. What's wrong with a female villain influencing things behind the scenes? You seem to view any female villain with that much power as a "girlboss" or DEI.
People bitching about "DEI" tend to be the kind of people who think men should be allowed to beat and rape their wives.
The old gods always had an uncanny ability to exist even after death and even exist and or even manifest in smaller pieces. Y'Shaarj was able to still exist through the very lands of Pandaria through not only his own heart and blood but also the very emotions made manifest by its people and with the experiments from the titans, this same matter can even come together to form an entirely different old god. The same could very well be said for Yog'Sarron, considering his very blood was used to build the Icecrown Citadel. It is likely that the citadel is as much a part of Yog'Sarron due to that very powerful yet equally mysterious Old God Blood.
Taking all of this into account, there is a chance that Yog wasn't kidding when he said he was the God of Death. See, what if due to having a high concentration of death magic in him, Yog was able to manifest a different part of himself in the Shadowlands in order for the void to infiltrate the realms of death, like the strange entity we know as the Maw. What if the Primus was able to imprison the Maw (yog) using its blood of sorts to create Torghast, an infinite prison to trap an infinite being among other horrors. Considering that Maldraxxians have been known to make use of their fleshy, whatever the heck it is land they live on, land to create all sorts of vessels structures and even weapons it doesn't seem to be too far fetch that they would try to make use of Old God remnants. Not only that, what if the Primus experimenting on the Maw is what lead him to inventing domination magic and all the terrible domination gear the Lich King would come to wear.
I wonder if devourers play any role in all this? Invaders from outside the known cosmos, sucking out all the energy they could from literally everywhere but the Maw (and Oribos).
We do see a nerubian in the new CGI cinematic seemingly brewing something up with a vial of what looks to be black blood in front of a giant purple limb. The old god blood might be somewhat of a thing going forward.
strange entity known as The Maw... its not an entity it was constructed along with the rest of the sub-realns, as the dumping ground if Revendreth didnt work, and in very rare cases, some souls were just bad enough that the AI Arbiter would send them there directly.
It's a much more interesting theory than the ones made by Blizzard.
I’m surprised no one thought of that.
If YShaarj was able to live after death in the form of the Sha.
Wouldn’t it be possible for the other Old Gods to do the same?
Here’s the rule:
Things are not planned for more than 2 expansions ahead of time.
The doing away with Murozond in a dungeon should tell you that.
The way xalatath holds the amulet suggests that it's verry important to her.
Personally im guessing its how Dimensius the voidlord was originally brought into the universe using the artifact which the artifact is implied to outdate Neltharion, which Dimensius resulted in the destruction of K’aresh.
I'll get thrashed for this but I mean, Lich king was created way after Zovaal saw this "threat" on the way, ( most likely voidlords and cosmological war), so lich king wouldnt exist in the first place if Zovaal didn't go mad and was imprisoned within maw, he captured master of domination magic and created the mourneblades. So Lich king is still somehow connected to the void because those events happened way earlier before even Ner'zhul was in plan apparently.
P.s: I still ride Primus being the mastermind behind Jailer theory, it all fits so well perfectly as it was Blizzard's original plan for the Shadowlands expansion. Even before expac reveal the concept art of Jailer indicates more Primus relevancy then Zovaal.
Other then that everything Zovaal did from being the Arbiter to being imprisoned in the maw and capturing "runecarver" doesnt make 1 bit sense.
Guy has no domination magic whatsoever, only confirmed figure in Warcraft universe that has created domination magic and can use it is Primus, the master tactician of Shadowlands... and he lost to bald arbiter in the place he imprisoned him within and already carved domination runes onto his body? gtf o man, it was always weird, even when shadowlands was live back then during 9.1.
Just remember....
"Vassal of life disguises treachery, beware the eyes of green" - LL'GYNOTH 8.3 , PATCH RIGHT BEFORE SHADOWLANDS RELEASE (Ofc zovaal was "treacherous" one in SL since he "betrayed" his brothers and sisters)... just let that sink in
Also for those that think why would Primus even want that, just remember Titan Pantheon and Death Pantheon (eternal ones) were no mystery to one another, Primus was also told to have distant ALLY through the timeways that taught him alot of things, this ALLY is assumed to be Aman'thul 99%, knowing everything that we know now going into worldsoul saga makes even more sense.
Definetly Primus played the mind game there, through someone else he tried to harness the power of Azeroth through sepulchure of the first ones to "Remake reality" is what we were told. We played all into his hand, Zovaal was just dominated through whole expansion (his runes and eyes glowing just like anduin when he was dominated) till very last few seconds when he was deteriorating when we defeated him at Sepulchure. Only then he was reseeing his memories all before the point he was carved with domination runes onto his body.
Also Chronicles Vol. 4 mentiones someone in Shadowlands (DEATH) made a bargain with LIGHT.... Hmmm who that may be.... (Primus... Who crafted Crown of wills, Who literally made a light entity the new arbiter.) Light is also connected to Order anb Titans.
Like so many proof i didnt even mention here supports it way overboard.
Honestly, I believe one of the reasons why Lich King and the Yogg connection makes sense is... the fact that we go to Ulduar for the third expansion of the worldsoul saga. There's DEFINITELY something latent being there, and Northrend was no accident.
The pre-event has changed since you made this (I'm assuming you made it on day 2 or 3?). There's no wait times for the bosses - the event starts over as soon as it dies, and you stay in that zone for one hour and all the 'quests' restart, then the boss comes back. At the top of the hour a new zone starts up, same deal. Very farmable. It's been great for levelling alts - all mine are 70 now and it didn't take ages at all. Plus the event currency was buffed AND there's drops.
I find one memory interesting in particular! Thorim in Dragonblight. He seems to actually be aware that he's being created as a memory, wondering where he his, and that he recognises the champions. No other memories have done that as far as I've noticed.
Titans…. Xal’atath….. 9/11….. all connected………..
i like to think that the Season of Discovery timeline is directly Xal'atath manipulating original events and creating a sepparate timeline
No, it's just shitty devs.
@Nobel87, I have a theory, i believe the Dark Heart is actually the Karesh equivalent to the Heart of Azeroth, somehow brought here by X'alatath in ages past. Maybe that is how Neltharion was corrupted, by studying it ? He might have made the dragon soul after it. Also, what if when we "destroy" N'zoth, we actually allow him some access into the chamber of the heart since that is where that beam comes from, or N'zoth is in the dagger and he will do as X'alatath did, N'zoth is certainly not dead.
As much as I like supporting my favorite content creators, I would love a way to enjoy the lore of WoW in the actual game. I just got done my playthrough of the dragonflight story (which somehow I accidentily did out of order) and needed to watch like 45 minutes of Nobbel videos to understand what just happened and to kind of understand stuff going into TWW. On top of that, fact that blizzard is doing emotional storytelling, adding depth to these characters seems like a good idea at times, but often times it flew straight over my head when I dont really know who a person is or what happened to make them feel sad or hopeless. When it hits, it hits, but other times when I was missing context I felt like I was eavesdropping on some strangers private therapy sessions.
I think it is simply meant to be the connection to those in the chamber. Wrynn to Onyxia, Jaina to Arthas, Thrall to Ragnaros. Is Thrall as strongly related to Ragnaros? No, but he is a shaman and therefore strongly connected to the elements, and he tried his best to hold the elements in check during especially the cataclysm.
8:03 if it was just Ragnaros and the Lichking ied say they are both linked to the old gods but I can’t say I can see a link between Onyxia but I have forgotten most of the story details around her, I mean the Lichking built his home out of old god blood (it’s a shame they never really did anything with his ghost of him when he was a kid that you can find under ICC that would have been a cool story to follow up on considering that Arthus thought he’ed killed that part of him).
Oh yeah I keep thinking that Onyxia was a Red for some reason.
Onyxia has ZERO aOld God connection.. save for the residual corruption from Neltharion thru his consort and children... but se wee that even Wrathion, an actual Grandchild whose birth was manipulated is still susceptible to that VOid corruption.. .Same thing with Ebyssian when he finally left Highmountain/Broken Isels for first time in centuries he was immediately attacked by those influences.
Sorry, Noble, but I think the only commonality between all the events is the fact that players participated in them.
(Perhaps being connected to Azeroth as we are , she was able to see these events through our eyes and that’s why she remembers them so clearly.)
And Khadgar says ‘are they her memories or ours?’ I think these are chosen more for the player than for some deep story connection.
The Legion returns in Worldsoul Saga, supporting and empowering the Warlocks 😈😈💪💪
If I remember correctly, the Icecrown Citadel is made of Saronite, the Blood of Yog-Saron. I feel like there was some theories back in Wrath that Yog-Saron was manipulating the Lich King to some degree to facilitate its escape, but I'm not sure. So there does seem to be a tenuous connection to the void.
I have a theory that K'aresh wasn't just devoured by Dimensius. I think Dimensius was the world soul inside of K'aresh.
I think Xal'atath, or some other harbinger, successfully turned him over to the void and the devouring was basically just an automatic process as the world soul woke up and the void energies consumed and destroyed everything in its path.
Hmm.
You may be onto something.
The Ethereals did say they heard a similar song to the one Azeroth is singing before Dimensius appeared.
So maybe it was K’aresh’s world soul crying out for help, before it was corrupted by the void.
Brooding teenager Magni feels so bizarre. Like, that guy was all about his dedication to the world. Now he's moody because he doesn't get enough of hugs.
Stormwind and Orgrimmar are getting Class Order Halls in the second expansion from the Worldsoul Saga
Finally I don't have to go through a portal (legion) when I want to do something related to class order hall
The event memories are fun as a player. Encountering these old boss fights is fun. But, wouldn’t the Black Empire or Old God yoink or the Sundering or Cataclysm be memories that impacted more on Azeroth? Idk I’m just a dude
Anyone know why the Remembered Lich King half the time speaks in Demonic?
Bug?
warlock curse of tongues
@@Nobbel87 Ah thanks Nobbel. I forgot that's even in the game still lol
@@Nobbel87 I'm playing on my Shdow Priest and apparently understand a good amount of it.. or something.. I know I can understand what the Faceless Ones speak.
@@ZakhadWOW There's a glyph for that. Might've been made baseline by accident.
When Magni gets blasted that looks like lightning. Did Azeroth trying to tell him the location of Khaz Algar trigger a defensive response?
Member berries might be the best name ever lol
I appreciate the work to try to connect all the events but I think its just a bushel of ‘member berries
I agree but think it's fun trying to make something out of it
Dementius sounds funny on russian - PrOsTrAnStVuS
Dimensius just means "Being of Dimensions" .... it's a greek and latin thing.
I like Dagran's character, i really hope it open a door to a scholar class or something
I’d love to be able to play the pre-expansion event. Literally every time one of the big memories spawns and I’m within range, my game crashes. By the time I get back in the game, the memory has already been killed OR I’m dead. Like I know I have an older computer, but it shouldn’t crash just by having people play the game near me.
NGL, given all the non-related things like Hoggers, the Stranglethorn stuff, etc, I don't think it's worth reading too much into.
IMO it's just another serving of nostalgia bait like Blizz has made a habit of in recent years. If you tried making a list of what iconic memorable things come to mind when you ask a veteran WoW player, these are pretty much a full bingo.
Trying to attach it to current events is stretching it a bit, in my humble opinion.
EDIT: Also, if it truly was related to the Old Gods, or even Azeroth herself, I don't think they'd limit it to the events of Vanilla-to-now. Because it's such a tiny stretch of history that completely ignores the truly memorable and important things that took place in the world. The Sundering, the Black Empire, the war between Old Gods and Titans, etc. Heck, even Sargeras' stab of Azeroth should be there.
Weirdly, Xal is not evil to my way of thinking. She's a Void creature (maybe). That is what they do. And the Titans screwed up by ordering some of the Void. This is Titan chickens coming home to roost.
And the stuff she instigated...all of those shown were overly ambitious people who wanted more and more power with no responsibility to balance it out. It's why we give leaders power but insist they be ethical, and keep order and good at the forefront of their decisions. Otherwise, you vote them out or overthrow them. To the real-life counterparts, money, drugs, sex and power are all Xal'atath.
She gave them the means, perhaps, but it was all of their actions after, and their innermost desires. She just helped them be made manifest. To me, being angry at Xal is like being angry with fire. It must be controlled, used to our benefit and studied, but it just "is".
I just think these bosses were chosen out of nostalgia, popularity, and their memes...
Multiverse shit is so creatively bankrupt, but everyone has to do it now.
Truly the Zombie Trend of the 2020s
Xal'atath has been behind everything all along, she even manipulated the Jailer... It's like Naruto shit, there's always a greater villain pulling the strings, ridiculous
I don't think that's the case. Not how I've read it anyway. Xal manipulated where necessary. She waited patiently, otherwise.
But they've built her up and teased her for a while. There is precedent for her. Metzen inserted this bullet in chzekov's gun back in legion and they're just now pulling the trigger. Legion was 8 years ago irl. In that time, Xalatath has appeared in various ways in the game, more notably in BFA. The jailer was an as$-pull to begin with and then they also didn't develop him at all as a character or show his motivations whatsoever. Xalatath has none of the issues that the jailer had. Also, she's part of an established force associated with old gods, which their whole gimmick is they are incredibly patient and play chess while everybody else is playing checkers. It kinda just works on so many levels that relate to OG lore, whereas the jailer didn't work on any level.
I feel like we are too used there only being one bad guy.
Several forces are trying to manipulate Azeroth, if not all forces. The jailer manipulating events doesn't exclude the void/light/nature from doing the same.
The pre-launch event explained at 5:50 is heavily outdated.
It's a place called ahhhhhhhhhhhhegegg... Anyone else think of Monty and the holy Grail...
Imagine if Xal atath would have been made the Jailor and all this build up no would lead us to go to Shadlowlands in the end.
That looks pretty cool. I may actually play this.
not again please, not again
Weren't xal'atath messing with the past in SoD?
I think the bosses are meant to be reflections important to Jaina, Anduin, Moira and Thrall.
What a way for the "radiant song" to go out of its way for out of everyone on azeroth to pick the same group of joe schmoes who we've quested with for the past 3 expansions. Who'd have thunk?
I mean most of them are faction leaders so ofc Azeroth would want her strongest leaders and champions to help her
@@kingkmtso5107 last time I checked we were the ones doing all the fighting with them just being there at the right place at the right time become proxy in taking all the credit.
Given what's happening in the story this sorta makes odd sense. I am eager to what unfolds in other parts of the saga.
So, did Xal'atath manipulate the Jailer too? Is the next expansion after this one gonna be about a 100D Chess master manipulator whose master plan included her?
I swear to god if they bring back the unconfirmed plot thread of Yogg having influence over the LK after over a decade of not touching it, I’m gonna throw a fit.
It’s just so dumb. Not the theory, the theory is actually pretty neat. But I thought the Jailer was supposed to be the one pulling the strings with Arthas, and that the Jailer is supposed to be a bigger deal than the Old Gods, but now apparently Yogg could’ve been influencing the Jailer’s “plan” the whole time? The fuck?
I'm fairly certain it's said that Arthas "failed" the Jailer. Dunno that they ever said exactly how. But I believe it's because of Yog.
@@DanielScutt I always thought that they said Arthas failed because he died to us in ICC, but I like your theory that Yogg caused him to deviate from the Jailer's plan and "fail".
I've always been bitter that they made the Jailer a "bigger threat" than seemingly both the Burning Legion and the Void Lords/Old Gods, so making it so the old gods still messed with the Jailer eases that bitterness a bit
@@DanielScutt didnt they clearly explained it to us in great detail in Chorelands? that due to the smallest part of humanity that still resided in Arthas, that he was able to reject the Failors total control over him and used the power he held over the scourge to build up his own vision of defense for azeroth, by expanding his armies.
and that he build ICC, which was made out of Pure saronite, just to spit Yogg in the face because, and that was the EXACT explanation as to why, due to the undead's fractured connection of body and mind, the old gods and void magics were unable to mind control the Undead.
Jesus that transmog lol
Ngl I was hoping they would have kept her a bit neutral.
Wow community: “the Jailor being behind literally everything in the wow universe is stupid.”
Also wow community: “omg Xal’atath might have been behind literally everything in the wow universe.”
I really hope that Blizzard has learnt not to force in the new big bad in as the architect of previous events.
well you are in for a surprise
Hmm so Ragnaros and Onyxia were definitely both directly connected to the Old Gods in some way.
The Lich King? Only thing I could think of other than the Saronite connection would be Tyr’s Fall.
Is Magni angry because it's not flesh or steel, but diamond? A dwarf?
It sucks that i dont have the choice to redo the quests on alts.
Yuuuusss🖤💀🦇
Loved my talking void blade🕯️
Nobbel do u actually play the game? Like.. do u prefer retail or classic?
I do but very casually/keeping up with the story. Hmm my preferance been swapping tbh. Really enjoyed plunderstorm, remix, sod season 1 and 2 and then rotate back to retail. Not much for cata classic though
Seen him during the shadowlands prepatch, can confirm he a gamer.
@@Nobbel87 Plunderstorm huh? Man's gamin
This seems like a cool event but the comment section seems to disagree. Maybe its just because FFXIV doesnt really do pre-patch events like at all so this seems like something that would be really cool to have.
I like it, but its soloable, my fav pre patch was legion cause we needed to sorta try and work with more ppl at times.
I dig it. Easy levels for an unleveled alt. Neat transmogs. Diablo-like action for a bit.
prepatch events are never amazing anyways. Like they're super cool thematically and offer some nice rewards, but I'm kind of over playing them after 20 years. I'll log on when the expansion actually releases, lol. You are correct though. Nice little patch to have.
Imagine how cool it would have been if instead of The Jailer being the mastermind, it had been revealed that upon his defeat, Yog'Saron, steeped in the powers of the realm of Death, had actually infiltrated it and, through the connection and influence he had over the Lich King, had been controlling the Jailer and manipulating events. One can only dream, but what a twist that would have been, rather than them retconning the story to make the least likable and most uninteresting character in modern Warcraft history the most pivotal and important one. But nah, no one liked the OG Old Gods anyway; let's retcon them and do this bizarre fanfic instead.
Anyone else getting this thing where the event bosses switch to demonic language? Is it just a bug or should I be reading into it?
that's warlocks hitting them with curse of tongues, makes anything speak demonic!
@@Nobbel87 makes sense, was getting into conspiracy theory area that somehow legion is coming back and all the events are manipulated by demons :D thanks
So shadowlands didn’t happen
If only it were that easy.
@@HiddenEvilStudios I-M-A-G-I-N-A-T-I-O-N Squidward!
So what the heck does the title refer to? That one tidbit of Grim Batol? That's it? The rest is pretending that this unimaginative fun is an actual lore? Come the heck on, surely you can't throat Blizzard's stick that hard. Is there even a point when you say enough is enough or is everything they spit out a sacred unquestionable gospel?
Like cmon, this is clearly just some bs to pass the time, even the Magni randomly being blasted before saying the important stuff is cliche dumbness turned to 11. Can't you take more fitting aproach? Parody, sarcasm, meta commentary, double-down on rp, guidebook turned comedy, viewer interaction, overall picture/mood...anything other than the same serious take used for an actual lore.
Thank God, the event does not work as shown in this video anymore.
So she’s another Jailer?
Sort of but on a smaller scale and build up earlier.
Jailer got to dip his hands in pretty much all of warcrafts history and was dropped suddenly in the Shadowlands.
So far Xal'atath has had moments in Azeroths past described back in Legion + history with the Ethereals.
Oh so we will heal magni im the expansion
not spending penny for blizzard anymore
i know noble cannot say anything about it cause blizzard checking him
bro it's not worth anymore
ofc she did cause fuck lore right?
Is nobbel still working for blizzard as a historian?
Wha? I'm a blizzard historian?! EYO THAT'S SICK, WHERE'S MY OFFICE
@@Nobbel87 😄 then I apparently was spacing on your last video about being a blizzard historian
@@WhistleRgv ow nahhhh that was about a reddit post made by a historian and I covered its info
@Nobbel87 you're a Blizzard historian in my eyes, Nobbel
@@Nobbel87it got lost in thr Shadow Realms. 😂
We've already had similar BS with Zovaal being responsible for the creation of the Burning Legion, and now Blizz pushes another narrative of things in the past happening because of some knife? That's extreme level of lazy storywriting. Modern Blizzard doesn't give two damns about story anymore, as each and every expansion since Cata is basically another retcon.
Swear blizzard just dragging the story, keep saying this is my last xp but just want to finish the story
You're playing the wrong game then, good sir. This is the game that never ends. And it goes on and on my friend. Some people started playing it not knowing what it was, and they'll continue playing it forever just because...
All against Xal'atath 😉
God, that feels so good to just hear the "hello everyone" it's been too long
it's actually pronounced Majni*
Nope. Magni is pronounced same way as Magnitude.
Sorry about shutting down yalls book recommendations the other day. Sometimes my sarcastic side wins. Down, boy! Down!
We need to start asking the real questions here. Would you hook up with Sylvanas? or Xal'atath 😏You can only choose one
And reply why 🤷⬇️
i didnt know Magni was such a spiteful crybaby child. Couldnt Azeroth make someone more mature the speaker?
It's understandable. But I kinda agree. You'd think he'd be more open to figuring out why he wasn't hearing from her. Maybe she wasn't fine that whole time.
people eating this trash up, this plot if its true is even worse than the Jailers "It was me, DIO" revelation in shadowlands. we are going to replace Dio, with Eobarda Thawne. "I was me, Barry".
"but she hot". Probably the mindset. Nobbel is literally the only reasoon i still have any contact to the IP. Cause i once loved the universe. Even BFA i was like "ok, lets see where this is going". Stopped launch patch of shadowlands.
@@AbigatorM "But she hot" has become the one defense for all of Warcraft's trash villainesses sadly
Kinda, but the Xalatath stuff so far is mostly from Legion, from the time chronicles was written. All that shit with her manipulating dark iron emperor's wife is straight from the priest artifact lore book in their class hall.
To me, Jailer is still definitely worse, since xalatath doesn't step on the toes of established lore quite as much. Zovaal manipulating Kil'Jaeden into making the Lich King by giving him death magic is kinda understandable... kinda. But him literally being the mastermind behind sargeras's fall and essentially the entire rest of the lore because of that is just ridiculous.
This mindset never fails to amaze me. The amount of people that "hate follow" warcraft content is so strange to me. Just find something different that you enjoy!
Go play ESO then.
Sarcasm aside, TES lore blows Warcraft so far out of the water it’s insane, they’re not even in the same league
But like fr, if you hate wow lore so much, try something else
This game become promoter of wierd stuff and WARR SUPPORTER, dont care wich side, dont belong in gaming world.
when politic shet enter to game you know its over, forcing some colors and woman with beard, COUPLE MOTHS AGO THERE WAS PET FOR UKRAINE
wow is rip, when become focused on promoting own opinions about real world and not focused on game, there is no comeback
Awful event. No fun, no challenge, no good rewards. Most unmemorable pre-patch event yet!
Just like the TWW is going to be.
gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood
I've noticed your outro is mildly annoying since you don't pronounce the words fully, especially "if you enjoyed this one" - a master orator such as yourself shouldn't forget the details!
this game doesn't deserve you anymore.