I don't know why people (like Jo Phoenix did) say, "I BELIEVE that sex is immutable". No-one has to argue about this - it's just a fact. People can change identity - they cannot change biology.
Whenever I hear "racist", "islamophobe", "homophobe", "sexist" or "transphobe" I automatically roll my eyes. They are used to avoid debate and unfortunately these words have been severly devalued by people with the emotional intelligence of a child.
You are totally correct as far as I am concerned. Take 'racism' for instance...I'll tell you how 'racist' I am for example. If my daughter said to me,"Hello dad let me introduce you to Winston (Winston is as black as the Ace of Spades by the way)... I'm in love with Winston and Winston loves me". I would be so happy. It would not bother me one jot. So... I don't think that I am a racist, however, some people would read some of my comments and assume that I am a racist... when in fact I am not! The Cultural Marxism that has happened since the 1960s and ramped up to max level from 1990 onwards has got to be reversed. It is the world gone mad. I guess that they're just waiting for the like of me to die off over the next 20 -40 years and then they can have their dystopian utopia... They are welcome to this Brave New World and I wish them all the best BUT I fear it will end in disaster for humanity.
Shame on the open University. As a gay man, its shocking to me that this woman is being treated like this. What the hell do these idiot students and so called academics think they are about.
These youngins and their paraphilic manipulators are empty-headed authoritarian little sh*ts. The same ones who call us same-sex attracted people "gen*tal f*tishists" who must "unlearn' our "bigoted preferences" and open our beds & bodies to the opposite sex. Genderism is hopped up homophobia & woman-hatred. It's astonishing.
@@DoggieFosters those gen1tal fetishist comments I'm finding very hard to take seriously. It's as if the 'regular' sexual preference is now being spun into some kind of perversion. The stories of lesbians being pressured into relations with trans-women who still have male genitalia is appalling.
It is the most concerning that universities are no longer a place for independent research and debate but indoctrination. What is even more concerning is the fact that same universities engage in cultist behaviour, bullying and censorship. Sometimes I feel we’re back in the dark ages… No one should have to go through what Professor Phoenix has had to go through, she’s a truly courageous person.
I get that students make a big deal of these issues, however idiotic they are but I'm totally bemused why university administrators and other academics don't just stand up to them and tell them to bugger off.
Because they are ALL scared of them. Students who will rather die for their cause than let people have an opinion that is opposite to their ideology. The 'agree with us or die' brigade need laws against them.
Biological sex depends on whether you have two X chromosomes (female) or an X and a Y chromosome (male). Cross dressing or mutilating your genitals doesn't change that fact.
Theres slightly more cpmplexoty to it than that though. A person can have two x chromosomes, but have a male sry gene in one of them and they will be born male. If a person with x and y has a damaged or inactive sry gene then they will be born female. A person with a male sry gene can also be mild to moderate androgen insensitive and be born male, or totaly androgen insensitive and be born female. Theres other conditions as well but that covers most of the detail of what epse determines a persons sex. So when some gormless know nothing says "buh whadabout intersex peepol". You cam let hem know how pointoess that question is. Though dont be surprised when they make ot cpear that they think "intersex" is either both sex at once or a entirely different third sex..... Yeah, there are people who think that.
@@ge2719 I understand. I hear arguments along the lines of 'There are people who differ from the Norm. Therefore the Norms don't exist'. It's as stupid as saying that because there are various shades of gray, that Black and White don't exist.
Its her ideology that opened the door to this intolerance of other opinion. The only difference between her and the transformers is that its now her beliefs that are forbidden.
@@kevinbillington9773 I don’t recall anyone in the LGB community insisting that others had to comply by their demands or go along with their choices. LGB people just wanted to be left alone.
I am behind this woman all the way. Absolutely disgusting the way she has been treated, and for doing her JOB! Part of her job is to RESEARCH. That is the epitome of silencing. Rooting for you Jo.
And if you take time to listen to ladies like Jo Phoenix and Kathleen Stock, they aren't in any way against trans people having rights. They, like most of us, just want womanhood and manhood to be the objective categories that they've always been. (Which can include being trans, as long as that is objective too, ie not simply based on personal feelings.) And for women's sex based rights to be protected. I'm not a feminist, but I'm right behind that. Allow any man to simply say that he's a woman, and have that sufficient to be able to enter women's spaces, and you leave a gaping loophole. Most of these men will be perfectly innocent. But with this method we have no means of keeping out those who only pretend to 'feel' like women in order to commit heinous crimes.
No... Research to these people is disastrous. Anything that chips away at their identity with facts and calls them out for the ideologs that they arte can't be tolerated.
Redrosewitch yeah I know, the poor woman has had to repeat over and over in this interview alone that she is not against trans rights at all. I totally agree with her thoughts on male bodied people entering women’s prisons. I feel like the progression, the role, everything we ever fought for as women, has gone back a hundred years.
I always thought people went to University to advance their education, not to find fault and attempt to totally destroy anything that they do not agree with.
yes i did too , to learn what they would need for chosen profession , obviously there is another agenda going on , i wonder if its what bella dodd was talking about or the frankfurt school and who would be pushing that ,
@@jimbaldacchino3755 .. agreed, but in the process the names of the individuals involved in the instigation and perpetuation of her ordeal should come to light. Whether this could lead to such people being sued (for slander/libel/defamation) is debatable, but at least this might, hopefully, tarnish their own reputations and careers..
Speaking the truth is now being made hate speech. Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! I wouldn’t dare add to, or subtract from scripture, but that should include “who call male female, and female male.
@@Henshin0101 And if they don't sign it, other people will think they're complicit in racism, misogyny, transphobia, and any other kind of "ism" that Twatter users yammer on about. They can't win.
My experiences in the past while attending different universities, was that they were places of debate. We could argue our points of view freely and agree or disagree without people getting vilified and having to resign or get sacked. It’s a sad sad time now and unfortunately it is my humble opinion that this woke mentality is actually damaging to society.
I've been 'trans' for 50+ years and this woman is so right. I've never been in a woman's space and never will. Oh, and there's no such thing as trans. I can’t stress enough how important it is for women to have spaces exclusively for them. This was understood by our grandparents. For back in those days there were women’s only carriages on trains, waiting rooms on the platform marked for women only, separate women’s wards in hospital and times at the swimming baths that were solely for women. The Victorians and Edwardians knew the value of separating the sexes for the protection of women. How sad and tragic that this form of safeguarding no longer applies.
I literally can't say anything without TH-cam auto deleting my comments. All I wanted to say is the OP needs some airtime because they and plenty of others probably can't stand a certain COMMUNITY politicising part of their identity. F**k Google.
wow you are the second 'trans' saying these things - thank you for expalining no one wants to hurt peoples feelings but for girls to be up against stronger bigger people who were born male and now identyfy as female in sports, is so painful to watch. Thank you for saying this .... do you have a pod cast I want to hear this from someone with direct experience of living this experience and not just the furious college students.
@Nose Down And Call It A Night everyone. The revolution is eating its own children as it always does. With radical left wing politics the pattern repeats itself time and time again from the French and Russian revolutions to China under Mao.
Jo, I know how stressful things like this can be, having taking my own employer to court. If reading these comments helps you at all, know that thousands of people are behind you. This was a fabulous interview and I wish you luck in January for your new job.
Don't care how you identify. *Everyone* is either X-X, or X-Y. These people put their ideology above objective reality...and i think that makes them dangerous. We support you Jo Phoenix! o7
I feel for Jo, and I hope with all my heart that her legal challenge will be upheld, forcing these academic centres to tackle this repulsive bullying. Thanks GB news, for giving these Women a platform when many networks are too cowardly to do so.
I did an OU degree many years ago. I thought then,and still think now, that I would have gained a better degree if I had agreed with the left wing bias of the lecturer's. I did hope that Boris would have tackled the bias in Universities. Clearly he is one of the wettest Wets ever to become a Conservative MP. So I am sure that he will continue to do nothing.
we need unis and places of learning to be a place of agreement and disagreement ... sometimes the best outcomes are when opposing sides find common ground (Take for example democracy 2 opposing sides vote and have their say was created to keep peace) if we lose that we lose ourselves and our path forward and stability. Boris and all the MP need to stand up and clear you can have your views but you cannot bite of others for their views. either everybody can have a view or nobody can and that would be a dark place.
@@Xeeni87 They used to be just those sorts of places. Where you could debate and make reasoned arguments, then go on your merry way with your own views, without fear of nasty, vindictive reprisal. Not anymore..
I am currently undertaking a degree. I know my lecturer is a Guardian reader and this influences my work. Political bias is a thing in these institutions.
Degree in what? I'm in the final year of my degree and I have absolutely zero idea of what politics my lecturers have. Nor do I care. We simply don't have time for such trivia.
@@Darwinion Are you studying a proper science, perchance? I think that it's the social sciences and "humanities" that are infested with the zealots on a mission.
Yes I experienced that in late 90 with OU, I studied languages so that was okay...when I did humanities course and literature it was extremely focused on feminist issues and post colonial studies, gender etc. Never talked about class much though!
Because the silence of your (ex) colleagues leads your university to think that it doesn't need to fulfill it's obligation under the law. If significant numbers of faculty stood shoulder to shoulder with you and against the rabble rousing fascists, the university would grow a spine.
I hope, like Jordan Peterson, this intelligent, honest and brave lady goes on to huge success. It is true, most normal people agree with her sane and uncontroversial views.
As soon as the “ist” words kick off, you know someone is being bullied. Good Luck Jo. There is a whole world of people who believe exactly as you do, even here in Australia. An intelligent view, and a wonderful relief to hear common sense.
As a middle class person who didn’t have the chance to further my education, it is to people like these whom one relays upon for reason in a time of madness. I extend my sympathy to the professor for what has been happening to her, shame on the academic community for leaving you out in the cold. I wish you well for the future of your happiness and research.
What a disgrace that this woman has been subjected to such awful behaviour by her peers. So, where is freedom of speech in this country, why are people so afraid of the discussion. How can our kids be taught by one sided ideas. Indoctrination is not a good thing.
The administrators that cowered to the demands of children should be fired. It’s like adults think they’re on the island from a scene of the Lord of the Flies and the children have the conch.
Actually, Trans people are violating the rights of women! This professor is speaking total sense. The staff and colleagues who vilify her should be removed from all institutions of higher learning. It is oxymoronic to have such ignorance in a university that should be practicing academic freedom.
@@HK_Musician I’m literally from the African American community where all they do is give social band aids where they should be teaching basic dignity and respect so yeah I’m right it’s a failing system of thinking.
This is appalling treatment by a university toward one of their staff. The OU should hang their head in shame at this disgusting bias against this woman. And I speak as someone who has achieved a Masters at the Open University and studied a number of other courses with them. I have always thought the Open University would surely not go down this ridiculous route of thought control. Are the leaders of the OU that stupid that they cannot see where this is all leading to? 1984 anyone.
How can anybody not like this woman? What does it matter that she's Lesbian? Why can't we just be ourselves and leave each other alone? Why campaign on either side, just be yourself to such a level that onlookers don't know what, or who we are? My politics, my religion or my sex is my business, and you don't need to know?
The root cause of the trans movement is Feminism. The essence of womanhood is the potential for motherhood. Feminists reject this as an oppressive stereotype. By belittling the biologal basis of womanhood and seeing careers, clothes and cosmetics as the essence of womanhood instead, they've opened a door for the trans movement. Feminism is misogynistic, trans is flowery. Don't be surprised when men turn up wearing heels and makeup claiming to be women!
@Dave Doherty the feminist revolution of the 1960's gave way to gay rights and the LGBTQ+ movement! Also feminism has roots back to the Frankfurt school which was Marxist.
Studied with the o u for two degrees, I commented on an open forum last week, and because my comments did not fit the narrative of the discourse, my post were deleted, straight away, I used to promote the ou, not any more, overpriced ,woke ! Harold Wilson would turn in his grave
>>and as a socialist You should feel the same shame as "as a holocaust denier" or "as a child rapist" when you say "as a socialist." Your mob put 100 million humans to death last century. Only malignant narcissistic psychopathy explains why you might want "round 2".
@@darthkek1953 l have just been vaccinated by the NHS and was educated by the Open University, two great examples of British socialism. Research the genocides perpetrated by imperialism and colonialism which the Nazis tried to emulate.
@@celestialteapot309 The NHS is not socialist, the Open University is not socialist. Each of these institutions are the product of a capitalist society. And for that matter the Nordic models are capitalist not socialist, as the PM of Denmark had to make clear when Bernie claimed Denmark was socialist. NO, it is a capitalist country with private ownership, private property, low business rates - and massive taxes on the middle classes. No "means of production" or "to & from each according" there. It might interest you to learn the National Socialists (Nazis) based their concentration camp designs on the Marxist Socialists (Soviets) schemes of the Gulags. Each of THEM were socialist, different in structure, but equal evils.
So many people commenting about whether or not her opinion is correct - that is actually immaterial. Being wrong or disagreement is vital to academic debates and the development of ideas. This hounding out of people is a vile behaviour and universities need to strengthen their position on free speech.
That no longer works, because the Left have successfully convinced a lot of people to think that a lot of things that they do not like as "hatred". Like the religious zealots of the Dark Age, even conceiving the thought of challenging their opinions is thought to be an immoral activity.
Good for her, I hope she wins in her suit against the OU, it's just a shame that it has to come to legal action in order to get a fair outcome in a case of blatant bullying, you're supposed to be able to leave that kind of behaviour behind you when you leave school and enter the adult world.
“When they came for my all of my neighbors one by one I said nothing. But when they came for me I yelled and protested. But by then there was no one left to hear me!”
What an absolute travesty. This movement is beyond the pale and is fast becoming a fascist movement. Good for you ma’am! It’s a brave person who sticks to their beliefs and principles these days.
Name and shame the university facists that did this to her, let's find out who these worms are, put them in the public spotlight so we can all have a word with them
Just to clarify my identity... Cis male, white, 55yr old. Normally I don't give a damn for that nonsense but it is relevant in this case. I love this woman! Intelligent, reasoned, and she has bigger b*lls than all of her colleagues and the cowards in the administration. Good luck to you Jo. You didn't ask for this, but give them hell.
All these muppets wasting time on gender bollocks on the publics purse need to be fired. Get back to teaching normal stuff and not wasting time on trans rights.
man: woman: end of story - I cannot believe she resigned but @ least she stuck to her guns... nature doesn't lie Jo, there are so many of us with you, right there.
I just don't understand when we stopped caring about the safety of women. To me that is one of the key markers of how a society should be judged. A woman's physical safety is so much more important than a trans persons feelings, it just is. This lady should not be cancelled, we need more like her in education for God's sake! I would never take a risk with my wife's safety regardless of what the law says. I wish Jo success with her case.
What a sweet, reasonable, grounded lady. I'm so grateful for her speaking up and going to court for this. I hope we hear more from her, even though she wishes she weren't in this situation.
Oh Paul, have I missed something on the news down here in Australia...........what you mean you can't say a woman has a Cervix...?? Geeze I can't keep up with this world anymore
"generally until recently we didn't think [her views] were controversial". Generally, I think most people don't think those views are controversial. I think an insanely loud and angry and motivated group of individuals refuse to tolerate anyone who doesn't share their views on gender and sex. (even when those views are changing)
Excellent interview. I enjoy intelligent discussion using clear language and civil behaviour, without raised voices and interruption...so lacking these days.
I agree with her. Sex cannot be changed. A trans woman still has a y chromosome.
. . . and will never be able to give birth
But the woke idiots are brainwashing our children into believing there are over 100 genders.
Not even a woman - it’s a *trans identifed male
Try not to use 'trans' language. There is no such thing as a 'trans woman'! Full stop! They are 'trans' identifying males or females.
@@scorpina69 I prefer “men who claim to have special, internal, secret identities”.
I don't know why people (like Jo Phoenix did) say, "I BELIEVE that sex is immutable". No-one has to argue about this - it's just a fact. People can change identity - they cannot change biology.
That because you are sane. Wokists are not in my view.
Exactly !
You're preaching to the choir here my friend. Most of us are sane enough to realise that.
@@zanyzoo6767 Uneducated, ha. You missed a capital at the beginning of that sentence.
These muppets always say follow the science and then proceed to totally ignore the science on chromosomes and dna.
Whenever I hear "racist", "islamophobe", "homophobe", "sexist" or "transphobe" I automatically roll my eyes. They are used to avoid debate and unfortunately these words have been severly devalued by people with the emotional intelligence of a child.
You are totally correct as far as I am concerned. Take 'racism' for instance...I'll tell you how 'racist' I am for example. If my daughter said to me,"Hello dad let me introduce you to Winston (Winston is as black as the Ace of Spades by the way)... I'm in love with Winston and Winston loves me". I would be so happy. It would not bother me one jot. So... I don't think that I am a racist, however, some people would read some of my comments and assume that I am a racist... when in fact I am not!
The Cultural Marxism that has happened since the 1960s and ramped up to max level from 1990 onwards has got to be reversed. It is the world gone mad. I guess that they're just waiting for the like of me to die off over the next 20 -40 years and then they can have their dystopian utopia... They are welcome to this Brave New World and I wish them all the best BUT I fear it will end in disaster for humanity.
True words.. Oh how they love deflections.. They live a lie….
It’s because the people who make these utterances are projecting their own biases on everything they see.
We've known this for the best part of a decade.
What do we do about? it is not going away and you can't legislate for it?
Could not have put it better, well done
Shame on the open University. As a gay man, its shocking to me that this woman is being treated like this.
What the hell do these idiot students and so called academics think they are about.
“Ooooooooooo”
These youngins and their paraphilic manipulators are empty-headed authoritarian little sh*ts. The same ones who call us same-sex attracted people "gen*tal f*tishists" who must "unlearn' our "bigoted preferences" and open our beds & bodies to the opposite sex. Genderism is hopped up homophobia & woman-hatred. It's astonishing.
@@DoggieFosters those gen1tal fetishist comments I'm finding very hard to take seriously. It's as if the 'regular' sexual preference is now being spun into some kind of perversion. The stories of lesbians being pressured into relations with trans-women who still have male genitalia is appalling.
Exactly ! The people pushing alot of this crap have nothing to do with the gay or trans scene.
It is the most concerning that universities are no longer a place for independent research and debate but indoctrination. What is even more concerning is the fact that same universities engage in cultist behaviour, bullying and censorship. Sometimes I feel we’re back in the dark ages… No one should have to go through what Professor Phoenix has had to go through, she’s a truly courageous person.
I am an Open University graduate and am thoroughly ashamed of the way that my university has treated Jo Phoenix.
I'm an OU graduate too. I got my degree 20 years ago and I used to thoroughly recommend them but after this debacle I'm going to keep quiet.
I too am an OU graduate and am ashamed of OU.
Same here. Agreed.
I am NOT an o.u. graduate. And have had a real job for over 50 years, I think woke educational establishments are a bit up themselves!
@@tonyshortland8812 "Woke" and "up themselves" are pretty much synonymous.
I get that students make a big deal of these issues, however idiotic they are but I'm totally bemused why university administrators and other academics don't just stand up to them and tell them to bugger off.
Where do you think the students got it all from?
Because they are ALL scared of them. Students who will rather die for their cause than let people have an opinion that is opposite to their ideology. The 'agree with us or die' brigade need laws against them.
@@our-days-are-short8254 Laws aren't needed. Reasoning and critical objective thinking are
@@djsteves554 Not from this lady that's for sure.
Mediocrity run riot. The Peter principle, fear of being different and a complete absence of intellectual honesty.
That's what I saw.
Biological sex depends on whether you have two X chromosomes (female) or an X and a Y chromosome (male). Cross dressing or mutilating your genitals doesn't change that fact.
Exactly.
Indeed.
No man will ever be able to give birth.
No woman will ever be able to create sperm.
We are the same as all the other 6495 mammalian species.
Theres slightly more cpmplexoty to it than that though.
A person can have two x chromosomes, but have a male sry gene in one of them and they will be born male.
If a person with x and y has a damaged or inactive sry gene then they will be born female.
A person with a male sry gene can also be mild to moderate androgen insensitive and be born male, or totaly androgen insensitive and be born female.
Theres other conditions as well but that covers most of the detail of what epse determines a persons sex.
So when some gormless know nothing says "buh whadabout intersex peepol". You cam let hem know how pointoess that question is. Though dont be surprised when they make ot cpear that they think "intersex" is either both sex at once or a entirely different third sex.....
Yeah, there are people who think that.
@@ge2719 I understand.
I hear arguments along the lines of 'There are people who differ from the Norm. Therefore the Norms don't exist'.
It's as stupid as saying that because there are various shades of gray, that Black and White don't exist.
TRUE - THANK YOU!!!
It is such a shame she felt she had to resign from her job for stating facts. Facts are facts, even though a small minority disagree.
Its her ideology that opened the door to this intolerance of other opinion. The only difference between her and the transformers is that its now her beliefs that are forbidden.
@@Aspartame69 what are you talking about?
@Deadshot I believe he means she may have a stonewall type of activism for LGB community.
Why and how such a small minority, and they are a very very small percentage of the population, have so much power is the mystery
@@kevinbillington9773 I don’t recall anyone in the LGB community insisting that others had to comply by their demands or go along with their choices. LGB people just wanted to be left alone.
The lunatics have taken over the asylum.
I am behind this woman all the way. Absolutely disgusting the way she has been treated, and for doing her JOB! Part of her job is to RESEARCH. That is the epitome of silencing. Rooting for you Jo.
And if you take time to listen to ladies like Jo Phoenix and Kathleen Stock, they aren't in any way against trans people having rights. They, like most of us, just want womanhood and manhood to be the objective categories that they've always been. (Which can include being trans, as long as that is objective too, ie not simply based on personal feelings.)
And for women's sex based rights to be protected. I'm not a feminist, but I'm right behind that.
Allow any man to simply say that he's a woman, and have that sufficient to be able to enter women's spaces, and you leave a gaping loophole. Most of these men will be perfectly innocent. But with this method we have no means of keeping out those who only pretend to 'feel' like women in order to commit heinous crimes.
No... Research to these people is disastrous. Anything that chips away at their identity with facts and calls them out for the ideologs that they arte can't be tolerated.
Redrosewitch yeah I know, the poor woman has had to repeat over and over in this interview alone that she is not against trans rights at all. I totally agree with her thoughts on male bodied people entering women’s prisons. I feel like the progression, the role, everything we ever fought for as women, has gone back a hundred years.
It's a bit strange when supposedly intelligent people just ignore biological facts.
@@raychambers3646 Intelligence is finite, where stupidity knows no bounds
I always thought people went to University to advance their education, not to find fault and attempt to totally destroy anything that they do not agree with.
yes i did too , to learn what they would need for chosen profession , obviously there is another agenda going on , i wonder if its what bella dodd was talking about or the frankfurt school and who would be pushing that ,
Absolutely, isn't University and any education supposed to expand your mind and thinking; not narrow it ??
The irony 🤣🤣
That is soooooooo old fashioned. Get with the times ! /sarc
Well said, J Ohn!
Any university that cannot acknowledge facts deserves to have its status as a teaching institution removed!
She is absolutely right. This stuff needs to be dragged through the courts at every opportunity. Hit them where it hurts... in the wallet.
unfortunately their expenses are taken care of by their employer
@@jimbaldacchino3755 .. agreed, but in the process the names of the individuals involved in the instigation and perpetuation of her ordeal should come to light. Whether this could lead to such people being sued (for slander/libel/defamation) is debatable, but at least this might, hopefully, tarnish their own reputations and careers..
Why allow one sided debate in a place like a public university? Terrible standard for that poor woman to work to, her opinion is just as relevant.
OPEN UNIVERSITY. So open its mind fell out.
❤️ Magdalen Berns
Maybe it should rebrand - " The Somewhat Closed University/"
Fantastic remark - love it!
Talking common sense, no wonder the snowflakes don't like her!
"The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
Speaking the truth is now being made hate speech.
Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
I wouldn’t dare add to, or subtract from scripture, but that should include “who call male female, and female male.
The 360 that signed against Jo should be investigated as to their competence.
I'm sure most of them just signed something out of fear of stasi repercussions if they didn't.
@@Revelian1982 still makes them complicit
@@Henshin0101 And if they don't sign it, other people will think they're complicit in racism, misogyny, transphobia, and any other kind of "ism" that Twatter users yammer on about. They can't win.
Sue them. Make the Open University pay for their abuse.
She's already taking them to court. Hope she succeeds
@Top Lobster She should take the money and still call them out for abuse. That's what I would do.
In the words of David starkey, you find out who your true friends are .
I really wish her the best of luck. Her 'friends' and her enemies are all spineless bastards.
It is horrific that grown adults at a university can treat their colleagues like this. It's so disturbing
My experiences in the past while attending different universities, was that they were places of debate. We could argue our points of view freely and agree or disagree without people getting vilified and having to resign or get sacked. It’s a sad sad time now and unfortunately it is my humble opinion that this woke mentality is actually damaging to society.
Your quite correct. Education isn't what it use to be! Such university courses now feel more like an indoctrination into a cult.
I've been 'trans' for 50+ years and this woman is so right. I've never been in a woman's space and never will. Oh, and there's no such thing as trans.
I can’t stress enough how important it is for women to have spaces exclusively for them. This was understood by our grandparents. For back in those days there were women’s only carriages on trains, waiting rooms on the platform marked for women only, separate women’s wards in hospital and times at the swimming baths that were solely for women. The Victorians and Edwardians knew the value of separating the sexes for the protection of women. How sad and tragic that this form of safeguarding no longer applies.
And .....also aiming down at and towards child space too.
I literally can't say anything without TH-cam auto deleting my comments.
All I wanted to say is the OP needs some airtime because they and plenty of others probably can't stand a certain COMMUNITY politicising part of their identity.
F**k Google.
Molly, I wish you peace from Canada.
Hi Molly yours is the voice that needs to be heard. I think this is a generational issue related to the entitled mindset of the younger generation.
wow you are the second 'trans' saying these things - thank you for expalining no one wants to hurt peoples feelings but for girls to be up against stronger bigger people who were born male and now identyfy as female in sports, is so painful to watch. Thank you for saying this .... do you have a pod cast I want to hear this from someone with direct experience of living this experience and not just the furious college students.
I admire Jo and wish her the very best. I really hope she wins this battle, for all of us.
Absolutely shocking medieval minded intolerance in our universities nowadays, it needs to stop.
Nothing medieval about it. It is entirely modern, this intolerance.
One day the cancelers will themselves be cancelled. Then they will know what it feels like.
She’s getting a taste of this right now. She’s probably stood by for years while the woke left have had their way with policies.
True JK Rowling is a prime example, she was very left wing and happy for people to be cancelled until it happened to her
@Nose Down And Call It A Night everyone. The revolution is eating its own children as it always does. With radical left wing politics the pattern repeats itself time and time again from the French and Russian revolutions to China under Mao.
Graham Linehan too
Jo, I know how stressful things like this can be, having taking my own employer to court. If reading these comments helps you at all, know that thousands of people are behind you. This was a fabulous interview and I wish you luck in January for your new job.
From Brasil. This is a very brave lady. She will succed, I am certain., We need more people like her all over the world.
Don't care how you identify.
*Everyone* is either X-X, or X-Y.
These people put their ideology above objective reality...and i think that makes them dangerous.
We support you Jo Phoenix! o7
And it's impossible to change gender.
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I pray that justice will prevail and she will win against this outrageous bullying!
These are the people I respect and admire. Not the reality-denying, quasi-religious fantasists.
I feel for Jo, and I hope with all my heart that her legal challenge will be upheld, forcing these academic centres to tackle this repulsive bullying. Thanks GB news, for giving these Women a platform when many networks are too cowardly to do so.
The "Open" University has all the authenticity of the "Democratic People's" Republic of Korea.
Well done Jo. This is the best solution. Teach them a lesson. God bless you and I wish you success in your case.
I did an OU degree many years ago. I thought then,and still think now, that I would have gained a better degree if I had agreed with the left wing bias of the lecturer's.
I did hope that Boris would have tackled the bias in Universities. Clearly he is one of the wettest Wets ever to become a Conservative MP. So I am sure that he will continue to do nothing.
I felt that too. Everything was from a socialist viewpoint.
It is this government's rules that has allowed this problem.
we need unis and places of learning to be a place of agreement and disagreement ... sometimes the best outcomes are when opposing sides find common ground (Take for example democracy 2 opposing sides vote and have their say was created to keep peace) if we lose that we lose ourselves and our path forward and stability. Boris and all the MP need to stand up and clear you can have your views but you cannot bite of others for their views. either everybody can have a view or nobody can and that would be a dark place.
@@Xeeni87 They used to be just those sorts of places. Where you could debate and make reasoned arguments, then go on your merry way with your own views, without fear of nasty, vindictive reprisal. Not anymore..
@@user.--. Yup i agree thats what i mean we have lost ourselves :(.
I am currently undertaking a degree. I know my lecturer is a Guardian reader and this influences my work. Political bias is a thing in these institutions.
Degree in what? I'm in the final year of my degree and I have absolutely zero idea of what politics my lecturers have. Nor do I care. We simply don't have time for such trivia.
@@Darwinion Are you studying a proper science, perchance? I think that it's the social sciences and "humanities" that are infested with the zealots on a mission.
@@jb3222 I'm doing chemical engineering. You?
When I was at university there was a saying "No Marx, no marks" That was in the 1970's.
Yes I experienced that in late 90 with OU, I studied languages so that was okay...when I did humanities course and literature it was extremely focused on feminist issues and post colonial studies, gender etc. Never talked about class much though!
She's totally right, how dare her.
You summit up Donald
Because the silence of your (ex) colleagues leads your university to think that it doesn't need to fulfill it's obligation under the law. If significant numbers of faculty stood shoulder to shoulder with you and against the rabble rousing fascists, the university would grow a spine.
Exactly. Cowardice is at the root of so many of our current problems. People are too cowed by the threat of social and career ostracization.
Sounds sensible enough. No wonder ousted.
As student of the OU I am disgusted to what has happened to Jo. Fully support Jo in her fight. Universities are very toxic work places.
I hope, like Jordan Peterson, this intelligent, honest and brave lady goes on to huge success. It is true, most normal people agree with her sane and uncontroversial views.
As soon as the “ist” words kick off, you know someone is being bullied. Good Luck Jo. There is a whole world of people who believe exactly as you do, even here in Australia. An intelligent view, and a wonderful relief to hear common sense.
These "students" are the future academics, politicians, lecturers, administrators God help us.
As a middle class person who didn’t have the chance to further my education, it is to people like these whom one relays upon for reason in a time of madness. I extend my sympathy to the professor for what has been happening to her, shame on the academic community for leaving you out in the cold. I wish you well for the future of your happiness and research.
Every one who signed the original letter should be outed, time will correct their stupidity.
What a disgrace that this woman has been subjected to such awful behaviour by her peers. So, where is freedom of speech in this country, why are people so afraid of the discussion. How can our kids be taught by one sided ideas. Indoctrination is not a good thing.
The administrators that cowered to the demands of children should be fired. It’s like adults think they’re on the island from a scene of the Lord of the Flies and the children have the conch.
Actually, Trans people are violating the rights of women! This professor is speaking total sense. The staff and colleagues who vilify her should be removed from all institutions of higher learning. It is oxymoronic to have such ignorance in a university that should be practicing academic freedom.
In India, where more than one gender is accepted, there are "Women Only" trains. Protecting women is not hateful, just practical.
No offence but that’s an problem, the fact that India is so rapey that women need trains is a huge problem.
@@annabelenko1611 yeah it's a good solution to a big problem.
@@HK_Musician no teaching men to no rape is a solution
@@annabelenko1611 wow! 👏👏👏 You're a genius! You figured it out. Amazing idea
@@HK_Musician I’m literally from the African American community where all they do is give social band aids where they should be teaching basic dignity and respect so yeah I’m right it’s a failing system of thinking.
This is appalling treatment by a university toward one of their staff. The OU should hang their head in shame at this disgusting bias against this woman. And I speak as someone who has achieved a Masters at the Open University and studied a number of other courses with them. I have always thought the Open University would surely not go down this ridiculous route of thought control. Are the leaders of the OU that stupid that they cannot see where this is all leading to? 1984 anyone.
Open university does not sound so open at least when it comes to holding particular opinions.
my heart goes out to you Jo - thanks for being honest you are not alone and that doesn't mean I am against 'trans' I am for facts and for kindness.
She speaking a lot sense. And seems to have a lot humanity.
So, of course she's going to get bullied.
Started a degree in classics at the OU and got bombarded with woke pish. Ironic.Stopped the course.
How can anybody not like this woman? What does it matter that she's Lesbian? Why can't we just be ourselves and leave each other alone? Why campaign on either side, just be yourself to such a level that onlookers don't know what, or who we are? My politics, my religion or my sex is my business, and you don't need to know?
Disgraceful. What happened to freedom of speech and debate?
Students spend too much time being activists and bullying to do much study.
What is happening to our universities. Debate and exchange of ideas shut down. This is not academia.
See the latest upload from James Lindsay on New Discourses "Education's New Marxist Commitments"
She’s totally right! She is just talking facts and common sense.
Well done for airing this and good luck to her.
What is happening here can only be described as evil.
Totally agree with her!
Her lawyers will have a field day: defamation, incitement and her employer's failure in their duty of care
Oh my god this is terrifying for women and girls everywhere
Jo , This is a challenge only few would take on, most of us respect and applaud you. It’s time to push back against this insanity.
Another brilliant intelligent woman shut down and hounded out by men in frocks
The root cause of the trans movement is Feminism. The essence of womanhood is the potential for motherhood. Feminists reject this as an oppressive stereotype. By belittling the biologal basis of womanhood and seeing careers, clothes and cosmetics as the essence of womanhood instead, they've opened a door for the trans movement. Feminism is misogynistic, trans is flowery. Don't be surprised when men turn up wearing heels and makeup claiming to be women!
@Dave Doherty the feminist revolution of the 1960's gave way to gay rights and the LGBTQ+ movement! Also feminism has roots back to the Frankfurt school which was Marxist.
So sorry to hear this Jo, stay strong, you are not alone and the horrors that have been aimed at you, are immoral and heart breaking! Big love x
Studied with the o u for two degrees, I commented on an open forum last week, and because my comments did not fit the narrative of the discourse, my post were deleted, straight away, I used to promote the ou, not any more, overpriced ,woke ! Harold Wilson would turn in his grave
As an Open University graduate, and as a socialist, l am utterly disgusted about this vile abuse of an individual's liberty.
>>and as a socialist
You should feel the same shame as "as a holocaust denier" or "as a child rapist" when you say "as a socialist." Your mob put 100 million humans to death last century. Only malignant narcissistic psychopathy explains why you might want "round 2".
@@darthkek1953 l have just been vaccinated by the NHS and was educated by the Open University, two great examples of British socialism. Research the genocides perpetrated by imperialism and colonialism which the Nazis tried to emulate.
@@celestialteapot309 ow yeah because the NHS is all good and isn't at all falling apart
@@celestialteapot309 The NHS is not socialist, the Open University is not socialist. Each of these institutions are the product of a capitalist society. And for that matter the Nordic models are capitalist not socialist, as the PM of Denmark had to make clear when Bernie claimed Denmark was socialist. NO, it is a capitalist country with private ownership, private property, low business rates - and massive taxes on the middle classes. No "means of production" or "to & from each according" there.
It might interest you to learn the National Socialists (Nazis) based their concentration camp designs on the Marxist Socialists (Soviets) schemes of the Gulags. Each of THEM were socialist, different in structure, but equal evils.
If you’re a socialist then you are part of the problem.
360 people who think she’s transphobic; doubtful, they are just sheep, too scared to voice their true opinion. I truly wish Jo the best of luck
I support the professor and will follow her case. Great interview 👍
So many people commenting about whether or not her opinion is correct - that is actually immaterial. Being wrong or disagreement is vital to academic debates and the development of ideas. This hounding out of people is a vile behaviour and universities need to strengthen their position on free speech.
That no longer works, because the Left have successfully convinced a lot of people to think that a lot of things that they do not like as "hatred". Like the religious zealots of the Dark Age, even conceiving the thought of challenging their opinions is thought to be an immoral activity.
The deification of stupidity, is tragic and hilarious ..................
This lady should open a crowd fund. I would gladly hep her fight for what is right. So brave to stand up against these people.
She has afaik
That you have to resign over a sane opinion is insane.
thank you for standing up for what you believe
What an eloquent intelligent & passionate speaker. Keep strong & fight for common sense. Shame on these universities & cancel culture trolls. 👍🏻
Everybody needs to take a stand.
Good for her, I hope she wins in her suit against the OU, it's just a shame that it has to come to legal action in order to get a fair outcome in a case of blatant bullying, you're supposed to be able to leave that kind of behaviour behind you when you leave school and enter the adult world.
“When they came for my all of my neighbors one by one I said nothing. But when they came for me I yelled and protested. But by then there was no one left to hear me!”
What an absolute travesty. This movement is beyond the pale and is fast becoming a fascist movement. Good for you ma’am! It’s a brave person who sticks to their beliefs and principles these days.
Ultimately any position that might criticise sterilizing children , or medical abuse of children more broadly , is subject to brutal censorship.
Name and shame the university facists that did this to her, let's find out who these worms are, put them in the public spotlight so we can all have a word with them
It was either resign or get CANCELLED.. She definitely made the right choice
Just to clarify my identity... Cis male, white, 55yr old. Normally I don't give a damn for that nonsense but it is relevant in this case. I love this woman! Intelligent, reasoned, and she has bigger b*lls than all of her colleagues and the cowards in the administration.
Good luck to you Jo. You didn't ask for this, but give them hell.
All these muppets wasting time on gender bollocks on the publics purse need to be fired. Get back to teaching normal stuff and not wasting time on trans rights.
man: woman: end of story - I cannot believe she resigned but @ least she stuck to her guns... nature doesn't lie Jo, there are so many of us with you, right there.
I just don't understand when we stopped caring about the safety of women. To me that is one of the key markers of how a society should be judged. A woman's physical safety is so much more important than a trans persons feelings, it just is. This lady should not be cancelled, we need more like her in education for God's sake! I would never take a risk with my wife's safety regardless of what the law says. I wish Jo success with her case.
The state of academia, who would want their kids to go to those woke training camps called University.
While studying with the OU I went to the campus a few times. Let's just say that this comes as no surprise.
What a sweet, reasonable, grounded lady. I'm so grateful for her speaking up and going to court for this. I hope we hear more from her, even though she wishes she weren't in this situation.
This is what you get when even the leader of the Labour Party can’t say women have cervix’s
It certainly doesn't help. Where the hell is that man's backbone? It's not as though Boris Johnson's set the bar at any kind of dizzying hight.
Oh Paul, have I missed something on the news down here in Australia...........what you mean you can't say a woman has a Cervix...?? Geeze I can't keep up with this world anymore
She's absolutely amazing this woman! She taught on my module with the OU and I was mesmerised by her! So gifted! And I agree with her 100%.
CONGRATULATIONS JO! I've been with you the whole way. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
What a Decadent society we have become
"generally until recently we didn't think [her views] were controversial".
Generally, I think most people don't think those views are controversial. I think an insanely loud and angry and motivated group of individuals refuse to tolerate anyone who doesn't share their views on gender and sex. (even when those views are changing)
Best of luck, Jo. You have a good case. Fingers crossed you are victorious.
The world is now a disgusting place
Excellent interview. I enjoy intelligent discussion using clear language and civil behaviour, without raised voices and interruption...so lacking these days.
Men are men, women are women! SIMPLES!