Han also grows incredibly frustrated at his inability to get a decent shave. As it turns out, assassinating all of the barbers was also part of the Emperor's Contingency.
Shattered Empire Alphabet Squadron Aftermath Star Wars: Squadrons Shadow Fall Aftermath: Life Debt Victory's Price Aftermath: Empire's End Star Wars: Battlefront II
The battle of Jakku is so good. Its seen from multiple angles, but every account is from the pov of a character or group of characters, there's no single tell-all about the battle. It's very star wars
The Mandalorian confirmed that the Empire itself didn't end after Jakku. Just the Imperial Government in the core worlds. Sloan took the worthy survivors of the battle of Jakku that would eventually form the First Order, while other, smaller remnants of the Empire continued to fight the New Republic.
I love the depiction of this in squadrons. Yes I know that squadrons happens between endor and yakku but in the game we are shown how some imperial fleets took over their assignated sectors instead of following orders from the leaders of the fleet just because they had the power to dissobey.
Could Mandalore be one of the planets hit by Operation Cinder? *"The Empire turned that planet to glass."* They also namedropped Opetation Cinder in Chapter 15 of The Mandalorian which could be them laying the groundwork.
No, the night of a thousand years seems to have happened a while ago. Mando seems to have known the sewer life for a long time, not just 5 years. Especially considering in Rebels the Mandalorian clans unite around 4bby. The Empire ain’t tolerating that for long.
Such a crazy 12 months since Endor Operation Cinder The Iron Blockade Construction of the Starhawk's Luke begins rebuilding the Jedi Order Norra's team hunting Imperials The Liberation of Kashyyyk The Battle of Kuat And the Battle of Jakku
I’m curious where Thrawn can fit into this. In his original trilogy, it seemed like he turned the tides with the potential to fully regain the Empire’s upper hand. That’s too big a development to just be an unmentioned footnote that hasn’t even been hinted at within this year, so it would seem that a big Thrawn story would have to happen post-war. I wish they extended the post Palpatine time of the Empire a few more years to allow more wiggle room within the story. It could make for a great Clone Wars/Rebels esque animated series.
There is moff Gideon and his mini empire 4 years after the war in the Mandalorian and also there is imperial officer who controls prison moon 2 years after the war in "Last shot" novel so there are imperial remnants who refuse to accept new republic victory operating in the galaxy but they are not strong enough to be a larger threat to New republic. New republic does not care about first order until it's to late because there are weak imperials all over the galaxy the whole time since Jakku.
Basically Thrawn and the Galactic civil war as whole ends much more bloody and catastrophic then the Clone wars, as the clone wars were just droids made in a factory and Clones manufactured to fightx where as in this war populations of planets would he drafted to fight, so the Galaxy would heavily feel the effects of this war than the Clone wars
What would have been nice for the operation cinder section is if you included a list of all revealed planets that were currently revealed to be attacked in the operation.
While it is rushed I do like how desperate the empire become without a true leader. Show's how fractured fascism really is when faced with the will of the people.
It’s also a thing in fascism where they kill of the competent but not “loyal enough” command staff. Fascism is a death cult after all. Look at Stalinist Russia during WWII.
So glad you finally covered this. I’ve read all the canon books but it’s hard to organize information in my head so I was really hoping you’d mention specifically all the important groups at Jakku. You’re old video covering the battle was a little vague because of what we had at the time but this video is EXACTLY what I’ve been looking for. I’d love to see something similar for the battle of Hoth covering like how the 501st was there, and twilight company, and some guy left to live with the wompas in a cave haha. Oh and Thane and Ciena are critical mentions for every battle lmao
I can honestly see Thrawn having his hands full with only a few surviving star destroyers years later after Jakku. With a small fleet he almost brings the New Republic to surrender. Yes, you can have an Heir to an Empire in canon too. :)
I like these stories but overall I think I perfer how Legends handled the end of the Galactic Civil War. I just think ending the war one year after Endor is too quick
I half agree. Canon should have ended the Galactic Civil War at least two or maybe four years after Endor, no more than five though. While Legends handled the end of the Empire after Endor in a much more interesting and expansive way, I sometimes feel that too much was happening that somewhere in the middle of all of it that the Galactic Civil War seemed to have been replace or eclipsed by a number of other related but separate conflicts.
I agree Rich Schneider. I have managed to read some of the new Thrawn series mostly due to Zahn’s writing but I just can’t overlook legends. While expansive I think it was better. I tried a few Wendig books but I thought it was poorly written and didn’t finish. To each his own I guess.
I agree with ya there. It just ends way to quickly and it's not super interesting. An Empire that big would take years to destroy and in canon it just kinda ends.
When Lucas made episode 6 it was supposed to be the end of the evil empire and good guys victory so canon version is more accurate to the movies at least for me
Thanks to stuff like The Mandalorian, I guess we can at least infer that there is something _akin_ to the legends imperial civil war (as I like to call it), there probably won't be a Zsinj or a Pentastar Alignment, but there are warlords, secret bases and fascist governments supportive of the Empire out there.
Titan Squadron’s mission was to destroy Project StarHawk. They did succeed in delaying the project, but according to TH-camr Eckharts Ladder, at least 3 Starhawks were present at Jakku during the battle. This obviously means that Titan Squadron failed in their primary mission.
I would like to see a movie or Disney Plus series on The Fall of the Empire. There are some really interesting stories here that could translate well to live-action.
And then after all this, a battle weary New Republic didn't pursue and dismantle the Imperial remnants or even bother to keep track of their whereabouts and activities and that bit them in the ass big time 30 years later
While I do like some of what Canon did I still prefer Legends to it. It just makes more sense that the empire would splinter into different waring factions that the New Republic would spend the next few years hunting down and destroying. Rather than the empire just giving up after a year of fighting.
But that's not what happened in Canon. Palpatine artificially sped up the collapse of the Empire with things like Operation Cinder and the Battle of Jakku which he planned. All of which was true before the idea of him still being alive came to be, mind you. It would have lasted much longer if it weren't for his meddling. And the largest portion of the Imperial Remnant never gave up at all. They fled to the unknown regions and started the First Order. Something that never happened in Legends. In that way, you could say the Galactic Civil War had ramifications that lasted much longer than they ever did in Legends.
@@corbanwoosley6891 "Palpatine planned everything" always ends up being a rather contrived storytelling device in Star Wars. Palpatine planned the clone wars, okay, but also he planned the events after his death, up to Rise of Skywalker, and he also totally meant to get yote into a reactor shaft after he didn't foresee his apprentice get sus and turn against him, and the fleet he meant to destroy with a trap, actually turned the tables and won on their own. The guy is fallible, boastful and deceitful, he can't, realistically, have planned for everything to happen as it does, as if he was in the Lucasarts story group. Thanks to TCW we can also see that his Clone Wars plans could have gone wrong two dozen different ways and they didn't simply because ol' Sheev was lucky/the story demands that he succeed.
@@NiiRubra Especially a plan like this would never succeed because maybe some Imperials would follow his initial orders but most would probably just ignore it. Operation Cinder is a joke.
@@NiiRubra @RPS But operation Cinder didn't go the way Palpatine intended at all, and many Imperials remained around after the Civil War formally ended. Like I said, things such as Cinder or the Battle of Jakku were written before contrived ideas like his survival were ever a thing. All I'm disputing is that the concept for why the war ended only one year after ROTJ is pretty solid. It legitimately seems in character that Palpatine would have a contingency for his untimely death, to destabilize the Empire out of spite. Gallius Rax was trained specifically by Palpatine from childhood to oversee the careful destabilization of the Empire by striking at specific key points, and then using the Battle of Jakku to wipe them all out. But his plan DID fail. He's not infallible. Rax was killed, and many Imperials survived, defected, or rebelled. Reading the Aftermath and Alphabet Squadron trilogies does a surprisingly great job at selling the concept. While the stories do paint Palpatine as a mastermind like always, they don't depict him as infallible whatsoever.
thats the one time periode i no very little about because i cant bring myself to read the aftermath books. started multiple times but lost interest after the first few chapters. only read the first aplphabet aswell im not that into pilot stories... sorry alex ;)
don´t like the plan of palpetine, its even stupider with episode 9, is it so difficult for disney to plan movies so they don´t make the comics questionble
Very much agreed, I understand doing things differently from Legends 15 year war, but 1 year seems way too short for a galaxy with a million inhabited worlds.
@Maximillium NOWAK Moff Gideon only seems to have 1 or maybe a few meagre Arquitens. On does ask oneself where all those star destroyers disappeared to. You'd think there would be some major warlords emerging who hadn't destroyed their entire fleet within a year. And I mean do the Rebels even logistically have enough time to take over all these worlds within a year?
@@kingkusnacht 15 year war is too long though. Realistically the New Republic would have 3-5 years maximum to defeat the Empire before they lose the momentum and attrition kicks in
@@kingkusnacht You do realize most of the navy realistically wouldn't be destroyed in some fighting. They would just lose the ability to maintain them, most of the Star Destroyers would simply be abandoned as the warlords have no resources to keep them
@@sarahluise3153 But in Legends, most of the fighting was actually over 5 or 6 years after Endor, even if no peace was signed yet. The war just officially continued as internal problems and other threats emerged, plus the Imperials were to stubborn until Pellaeon came along. But is 15 years really too long to conquer half a galaxy?
So if Jakku was the final defeat of the Empire and they are not seen till the emergence of the First Order, what is the deal with Moff Gideon and Thrawn who appear a mere 4 years after?
The Deaths of the Emperor and Most of Imperial High Command at the Battle of Endor, the Empire completely collapse into its self almost instantly. Such a development was purpose-built into the Empire because Palpatine designed it to unable to function without him. Its collapse was also escalated by the Contingency that would ensure that the Empire won't continue on without their Emperor.
The Legends era is far more believable. While Operation Cinder does make sense the scale of it and its targets does not because it completely ignores the ambition and greed of Imperial officers.
I think the legends version makes far more sense, there are thousands of star destroyers and thousands of planets in isolated sectors. Powerful, selfish warlords would naturally emerge and not everyone would rush in with their entire fleet like Sloane or Rat
I think the prevalence of imperial remnant warlords in the years following the Battle of Jakku (like Gideon) shows that the Empire and its legions very much still remain in the canon timeline, just the official “war” is over (which I prefer)
@@dtinagliastudios I wouldn't call Gideon a prevalence. He's most likely working under Palpatine's Final Order, which would explain the die before being captured mentality.
Han also grows incredibly frustrated at his inability to get a decent shave. As it turns out, assassinating all of the barbers was also part of the Emperor's Contingency.
this is where the fun begins
And ends
Shattered Empire
Alphabet Squadron
Aftermath
Star Wars: Squadrons
Shadow Fall
Aftermath: Life Debt
Victory's Price
Aftermath: Empire's End
Star Wars: Battlefront II
And the whole ending of Lost Stars!
The Blade Squadron shorts too
The battle of Jakku is so good. Its seen from multiple angles, but every account is from the pov of a character or group of characters, there's no single tell-all about the battle. It's very star wars
The Mandalorian confirmed that the Empire itself didn't end after Jakku. Just the Imperial Government in the core worlds. Sloan took the worthy survivors of the battle of Jakku that would eventually form the First Order, while other, smaller remnants of the Empire continued to fight the New Republic.
I love the depiction of this in squadrons.
Yes I know that squadrons happens between endor and yakku but in the game we are shown how some imperial fleets took over their assignated sectors instead of following orders from the leaders of the fleet just because they had the power to dissobey.
Vardos: entire planet loyal to the empire
The emperor: “then pay with your blood!”
Could Mandalore be one of the planets hit by Operation Cinder?
*"The Empire turned that planet to glass."*
They also namedropped Opetation Cinder in Chapter 15 of The Mandalorian which could be them laying the groundwork.
No, the night of a thousand years seems to have happened a while ago. Mando seems to have known the sewer life for a long time, not just 5 years. Especially considering in Rebels the Mandalorian clans unite around 4bby. The Empire ain’t tolerating that for long.
@@ronramen5827I thought it was 1 BBY
@@General_Arcturus506 Season 4 of Rebels so you right.
@@ronramen5827 tears*
Such a crazy 12 months since Endor
Operation Cinder
The Iron Blockade
Construction of the Starhawk's
Luke begins rebuilding the Jedi Order
Norra's team hunting Imperials
The Liberation of Kashyyyk
The Battle of Kuat
And the Battle of Jakku
I’m curious where Thrawn can fit into this. In his original trilogy, it seemed like he turned the tides with the potential to fully regain the Empire’s upper hand. That’s too big a development to just be an unmentioned footnote that hasn’t even been hinted at within this year, so it would seem that a big Thrawn story would have to happen post-war. I wish they extended the post Palpatine time of the Empire a few more years to allow more wiggle room within the story. It could make for a great Clone Wars/Rebels esque animated series.
There is moff Gideon and his mini empire 4 years after the war in the Mandalorian and also there is imperial officer who controls prison moon 2 years after the war in "Last shot" novel so there are imperial remnants who refuse to accept new republic victory operating in the galaxy but they are not strong enough to be a larger threat to New republic. New republic does not care about first order until it's to late because there are weak imperials all over the galaxy the whole time since Jakku.
Basically Thrawn and the Galactic civil war as whole ends much more bloody and catastrophic then the Clone wars, as the clone wars were just droids made in a factory and Clones manufactured to fightx where as in this war populations of planets would he drafted to fight, so the Galaxy would heavily feel the effects of this war than the Clone wars
What would have been nice for the operation cinder section is if you included a list of all revealed planets that were currently revealed to be attacked in the operation.
While it is rushed I do like how desperate the empire become without a true leader. Show's how fractured fascism really is when faced with the will of the people.
Yeah I thought TROS was going to lean into that as well.
The collapse of Empire was artificially speeded up as a part of Empiror's contingency.
It’s also a thing in fascism where they kill of the competent but not “loyal enough” command staff. Fascism is a death cult after all. Look at Stalinist Russia during WWII.
@@qwellen7521 I think you're confusing fascism with Totalitarianism
@@jacobberg373 There the same thing; in function.
Squadrons story is also a must!
Thanks, fam for editing all these timeline videos.
Love watching them while I work!
So glad you finally covered this. I’ve read all the canon books but it’s hard to organize information in my head so I was really hoping you’d mention specifically all the important groups at Jakku. You’re old video covering the battle was a little vague because of what we had at the time but this video is EXACTLY what I’ve been looking for. I’d love to see something similar for the battle of Hoth covering like how the 501st was there, and twilight company, and some guy left to live with the wompas in a cave haha. Oh and Thane and Ciena are critical mentions for every battle lmao
I loved reading about the Battle of Jakku in various books and seeing it in Battlefront II
I can honestly see Thrawn having his hands full with only a few surviving star destroyers years later after Jakku. With a small fleet he almost brings the New Republic to surrender. Yes, you can have an Heir to an Empire in canon too. :)
I like these stories but overall I think I perfer how Legends handled the end of the Galactic Civil War. I just think ending the war one year after Endor is too quick
I half agree. Canon should have ended the Galactic Civil War at least two or maybe four years after Endor, no more than five though. While Legends handled the end of the Empire after Endor in a much more interesting and expansive way, I sometimes feel that too much was happening that somewhere in the middle of all of it that the Galactic Civil War seemed to have been replace or eclipsed by a number of other related but separate conflicts.
I agree Rich Schneider. I have managed to read some of the new Thrawn series mostly due to Zahn’s writing but I just can’t overlook legends. While expansive I think it was better. I tried a few Wendig books but I thought it was poorly written and didn’t finish. To each his own I guess.
I agree with ya there. It just ends way to quickly and it's not super interesting. An Empire that big would take years to destroy and in canon it just kinda ends.
When Lucas made episode 6 it was supposed to be the end of the evil empire and good guys victory so canon version is more accurate to the movies at least for me
Thanks to stuff like The Mandalorian, I guess we can at least infer that there is something _akin_ to the legends imperial civil war (as I like to call it), there probably won't be a Zsinj or a Pentastar Alignment, but there are warlords, secret bases and fascist governments supportive of the Empire out there.
Thanks for the video
Can’t wait for a Clone Wars type show of the Galactic Civil War
It was called "Star Wars: Rebels"
@@jacobberg373 Rebels followed a specific group. I’m talking about an anthology show
it´s so sad that the empire lost in only one year. in legends it took more then 10 years.😭
Thanks, Alex! 🌠
lol remember when we thought those Force Trees were going to mean anything?
Can’t forget about Lost Stars
Titan Squadron’s mission was to destroy Project StarHawk. They did succeed in delaying the project, but according to TH-camr Eckharts Ladder, at least 3 Starhawks were present at Jakku during the battle. This obviously means that Titan Squadron failed in their primary mission.
Brilliant history lesson
Great video
Great video! Love this channel and what you do here
but that was an intersting era I got many books from the old days that were really good but this canon stuff is better to me more organized
I would like to see a movie or Disney Plus series on The Fall of the Empire. There are some really interesting stories here that could translate well to live-action.
That was a great summary!
Amazing video, per usual.
And then after all this, a battle weary New Republic didn't pursue and dismantle the Imperial remnants or even bother to keep track of their whereabouts and activities and that bit them in the ass big time 30 years later
While I do like some of what Canon did I still prefer Legends to it. It just makes more sense that the empire would splinter into different waring factions that the New Republic would spend the next few years hunting down and destroying. Rather than the empire just giving up after a year of fighting.
But that's not what happened in Canon. Palpatine artificially sped up the collapse of the Empire with things like Operation Cinder and the Battle of Jakku which he planned. All of which was true before the idea of him still being alive came to be, mind you. It would have lasted much longer if it weren't for his meddling. And the largest portion of the Imperial Remnant never gave up at all. They fled to the unknown regions and started the First Order. Something that never happened in Legends. In that way, you could say the Galactic Civil War had ramifications that lasted much longer than they ever did in Legends.
Besides, the war only formally ended one year later. There are clearly still other remnants like Moff Gideon's around several years later.
@@corbanwoosley6891 "Palpatine planned everything" always ends up being a rather contrived storytelling device in Star Wars. Palpatine planned the clone wars, okay, but also he planned the events after his death, up to Rise of Skywalker, and he also totally meant to get yote into a reactor shaft after he didn't foresee his apprentice get sus and turn against him, and the fleet he meant to destroy with a trap, actually turned the tables and won on their own. The guy is fallible, boastful and deceitful, he can't, realistically, have planned for everything to happen as it does, as if he was in the Lucasarts story group. Thanks to TCW we can also see that his Clone Wars plans could have gone wrong two dozen different ways and they didn't simply because ol' Sheev was lucky/the story demands that he succeed.
@@NiiRubra Especially a plan like this would never succeed because maybe some Imperials would follow his initial orders but most would probably just ignore it. Operation Cinder is a joke.
@@NiiRubra @RPS But operation Cinder didn't go the way Palpatine intended at all, and many Imperials remained around after the Civil War formally ended. Like I said, things such as Cinder or the Battle of Jakku were written before contrived ideas like his survival were ever a thing. All I'm disputing is that the concept for why the war ended only one year after ROTJ is pretty solid. It legitimately seems in character that Palpatine would have a contingency for his untimely death, to destabilize the Empire out of spite. Gallius Rax was trained specifically by Palpatine from childhood to oversee the careful destabilization of the Empire by striking at specific key points, and then using the Battle of Jakku to wipe them all out. But his plan DID fail. He's not infallible. Rax was killed, and many Imperials survived, defected, or rebelled. Reading the Aftermath and Alphabet Squadron trilogies does a surprisingly great job at selling the concept. While the stories do paint Palpatine as a mastermind like always, they don't depict him as infallible whatsoever.
Please do The Full Timeline of the Clone Wars
I highly recommend Generation Tech’s comprehensive breakdown of the 4 years of the Clone Wars. Every year is its own 1 hour+ video.
Blade Squadron short stories? Where?
Would like to see an Alphabet Squadron movie.
What happens betwean the bad batch, rebels and rough one?
Can you do a video like this but for the gap between episode 4 and 5.
Awesome Vid
Personally, I really like canon post RotJ. If they went put the ST past 30 years the potential would be even greater.
Word 👍
Where does the image at 4:03 comes from ?
I think it should have lasted more but not much maximum 2/3 years. In dictatorship normally once the leader falls everything goes behind him.
thats the one time periode i no very little about because i cant bring myself to read the aftermath books. started multiple times but lost interest after the first few chapters. only read the first aplphabet aswell im not that into pilot stories... sorry alex ;)
Isn't pronounced Soren “keys”
This is something I've been wanting to see since Alphabet Squadron ended, thanks to LeftistHominid for reading my mind 😅
don´t like the plan of palpetine, its even stupider with episode 9, is it so difficult for disney to plan movies so they don´t make the comics questionble
SLOW DOWN, I'M TRYING TO TAKE NOTES!!! Seriously, that's a lot in one year of time line!
What is Star Wars warriors and your thoughts ?
That's a lot of action condensed in one year and it shows really how rushed the conclusion was.
Very much agreed, I understand doing things differently from Legends 15 year war, but 1 year seems way too short for a galaxy with a million inhabited worlds.
@Maximillium NOWAK Moff Gideon only seems to have 1 or maybe a few meagre Arquitens. On does ask oneself where all those star destroyers disappeared to. You'd think there would be some major warlords emerging who hadn't destroyed their entire fleet within a year.
And I mean do the Rebels even logistically have enough time to take over all these worlds within a year?
@@kingkusnacht 15 year war is too long though. Realistically the New Republic would have 3-5 years maximum to defeat the Empire before they lose the momentum and attrition kicks in
@@kingkusnacht You do realize most of the navy realistically wouldn't be destroyed in some fighting. They would just lose the ability to maintain them, most of the Star Destroyers would simply be abandoned as the warlords have no resources to keep them
@@sarahluise3153 But in Legends, most of the fighting was actually over 5 or 6 years after Endor, even if no peace was signed yet. The war just officially continued as internal problems and other threats emerged, plus the Imperials were to stubborn until Pellaeon came along.
But is 15 years really too long to conquer half a galaxy?
Battle of jakku to force awakens?
At last.
LeftistHominid has the best questions
Also Lost Stars!!!!!!
So if Jakku was the final defeat of the Empire and they are not seen till the emergence of the First Order, what is the deal with Moff Gideon and Thrawn who appear a mere 4 years after?
That's what we're waiting to find out.
Cinder makes no sense
I just play Battlefront 2 ( 2005 ) and pretend I got New Republic mods
Begins to fraction?
The Deaths of the Emperor and Most of Imperial High Command at the Battle of Endor, the Empire completely collapse into its self almost instantly. Such a development was purpose-built into the Empire because Palpatine designed it to unable to function without him. Its collapse was also escalated by the Contingency that would ensure that the Empire won't continue on without their Emperor.
otherwise Battlefront 2 2016 Coop Missions I dont think the 2016 campaign is good enough to be canon at all
I prefer the canon end to the legends end of the war! Having the war last 10+ more years always irked me.
The Legends era is far more believable. While Operation Cinder does make sense the scale of it and its targets does not because it completely ignores the ambition and greed of Imperial officers.
I think the legends version makes far more sense, there are thousands of star destroyers and thousands of planets in isolated sectors. Powerful, selfish warlords would naturally emerge and not everyone would rush in with their entire fleet like Sloane or Rat
I think the prevalence of imperial remnant warlords in the years following the Battle of Jakku (like Gideon) shows that the Empire and its legions very much still remain in the canon timeline, just the official “war” is over (which I prefer)
@@dtinagliastudios I wouldn't call Gideon a prevalence. He's most likely working under Palpatine's Final Order, which would explain the die before being captured mentality.
@@dtinagliastudios I guess I just wish they were more impactful/powerful. I mean Gideon has one small Arquentis.
16 months ago
I prefer EU's Empire Fall
Legends did it *way* better.
Would have liked this version if they had made the war last a few years while the Empire struggles and collapses.
To me the empire will forever live on
LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!!!!