Great documentary! My main question is whether this is all Canon material or whether there are any Legends materials in it? I vaguely remember reading some of these materials in the 2002-2005 Star Wars Fact File, but wasn't all this decanonised in 2014? We know that lots of Legends materials have been retconned back into the Canon after 2014 (which I like), but selectively, as it may not clash with new materials from the post-2014 productions. So far, none of this seems at odds with The Mandalorian & Boba (set in 8 ABY) and the Sequel Trilogy (set in 34 ABY).
I hate the new Canon on how long the Galactic Civil War was fought and won. After Endor, it's a year later and the Empire is defeated and "surrenders". In legends it took years for the war to officially end. Even with Palpatine and the majority of the highest echelons of the Empire were killed, the Empire was still a vast organization. I believe in a year the entire thing would destabilize and be full anarchy. But the sheer size of the Empire means that many of the indoctrinated citizens would keep fighting because they believe the Rebels who have the dreaded and feared jedi within their ranks would annihilate their entire way of life. So they would fight tooth and nail for years until they eventually stop. And all the corrupt warlords would kept the conflict going for at least 5 more years during and after the conflicts end. Disney was just too lazy to give us the true conflict we deserved to see. Filloni is doing a good job to correct the errors and give is more legends material back. But it steals erks me after all these years
Wasn’t admiral thrawn doing stuff too around this time?? I thought he was doing a lot of the consolidation of the empire in legends. I’m guessing he got replaced with the the cardboard Sloane
@@The1RedRooster what do you want me to say? I didn't reply because I was at work. I have kids. I genuinely like star wars and have for almost 20 years. I find the angle that these types of videos put on already known facts incredibly interesting
I had a discussion with my friends a few months ago and I think that is the most disappointing thing about the new trilogy for me. Yeah I hated what they did with Luke Skywalker, but I could have forgiven it all if they had just given us a definitive end of the Galactic Civil War (preferably a formal one with a treaty) and the return of a reformed Republic and Jedi Order. Instead we got a watered down Return of the Jedi 2.0 with another ambiguous ending.
Lets also not forget what we see even in the two recent battlefront games, the ground fight was massive on countless different fronts, it just raged on for months. In battlefront 2015 we see the ravenger crash down and the chaos it caused afterwards. That game also shows all the fighters flying around with all the fire from the starfighters and cruisers and they look like ants or little specs on a screen watching them fly around everywhere in the sky. It was organized chaos meant to drive both factions to their breaking point. Inferno squad we see in battlefront 2 2017 was able to see the end of Admiral versio, who was a member of the ISB, they also helped rebels who's ship crashed take point rain and was able to stop a hanger of bombers being launched. All that I mentioned and it doesn't even break the surface of everything that happened, massive. Great video, loved seeing the buildup to the battle as well.
battlefornt 2015 battle of jakku was so good. I remember running and attacking in a line with others as a stormtroopper while the ravenger crashes to our left and AT-AT's walking between us. oh the memories.
In other words, despite hope from the Ahsoka series, there was never any Thrawn (counter) offensive the way there was in The Last Command, that set back the Rebellion/New Republic for years. Despite all hopes from the fans, the canon is set in stone that The Empire never got a second wind via Thrawn and we will see a new war. Thrawn's return would be legendary in the EU, but nothing but a footnote in the Kennedy canon....
I suppose the issue is that this was all written out with the express purpose setting up the intended situation for the Force Awakens, rather than leaving much room for major stories in between that would also shape the direction of the galaxy. With the upcoming Ahsoka series my guess is that they will frame it as Thrawn being in a position to potentially become a significant threat if left unchecked, but the wider galaxy and New Republic underestimates how dangerous he is (or could have become).
@zaleost fair enough but given that canon is locked, then it's a given that Thrawn NEVER becomes a threat that gets on radar of the New Republic. For all the posturing and promise invoked by his appearance and referring to him as "Heir to the Empire' we are never getting much more that sideshow. He will become the threat that shook the New Republic to the foundations by The Last Command.
Yet again, the Kathleen Kennedy influence screws true, old school, fans from having Thrawn make a truly awesome impact to the Star Wars saga. Anyone want to bet he's gonna be portrayed as "just another influential boob" and do nothing but essentially sit in a corner and gibber?! I'd be willing to pay money to see a home-grown 2-hour long movies from people like Nerd Vault who would do Thrawn and the Star Wars saga the justice they deserved! Someone needs to get Kennedy and her "woke" social justice agenda to take a hike! Now, in all honesty, I actually liked the acting on SWTFA, SWTLJ, and SWTROS. That being said, there is nothing that can be a convincing argument for Rey to beat Palpatine. It would have been better for Luke and Anakin's force ghost to face Palpatine and destroy him as father and son. Luke could have expended his life energy for just that one battle, been reunited with his redeemed father as a force ghost, and Ben could have saved Rey by giving up his spirit. I would have been fine with this ending. On tatooine, we could have had a force ghost setting of Qui-Gon Jinn, Obi- wan, Anakin, Leia, Ben, Luke, Yoda, and even Han Solo looking on. (I believe he was, indeed, a touch force sensitive as in canon, there were individuals who never knew they were). At the end, you could've had Han say to her in front of all present, "Be seeing you around, kid." Just sayin'.
I think recent stuff is trying to redeem that stuff by making it less clear than it was stated. We still see many remnants of the Empire in recent things as well as Thrawn returning to the galaxy, so I hope the new canon can sorta correct itself
You're not paying attention, mate. The Empire was DONE. Only a few die-hards couldn't see it. And...if you read the books, Jakku was meant as a way to destroy the final remnants of the Empire--by the Emperor, who reckoned if he couldn't be Emperor then an Empire shouldn't be allowed to exist.
@@Crimethoughtfullyea, keep coping and trying to justify shitty writing. A organization as vast as the empire doesn’t just upend over night. We have numerous, real world, and contemporary examples of this. It took over a hundred years after the final sack of rome for the western Roman Empire to truly “fall”.
Wow, I loved this series. I just wished Disney remained a little more true to Legends. Maybe it’s a lot to hope for, but I would very much enjoy to see the Legends version of the Galactic Civil War. Not to mention the Clone Wars, and the wars that came before, such as the wars with the Sith Empire.
I think Disney Star Wars has generally been making great efforts to balance the retconning of Legends with creative innovations to explore unchartered territories with Star Wars. The "Legends version" of the Galactic Civil War (if we can call it that) won't contradict the "Canonical version" that much, except that the latter includes more details such as the Battles of Atollon, Lothal, Aldhani, Ferrix, Jedha, and Scarif.
@@DutchSkepticthe gcw in legends actually had more details, there were battles between other factions such as pirates, the empire was more competant and the rebellion was more stronger, there were more battles in legends with concrete information than in canon. The black sun crime syndicate played a role and the entire confilct lasted 25 years compared to the 4 years in canon
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Plus, one massive error, Kaut was only one of several massive shipyards that contributed to the imperial war machine when it came to building its capital ships; With facilities on fondor, Bilbringi, Corellia, Sulis Van, alongside others shipyards also being key players in creating and maintaining the imperial starfleet as disintegrated following the disaster of endor and sabotage from within via Sidious contingency plans.
With as much money the empire wasted on big planet obliterating weapons platforms instead of the imperial navy Horus and the Luna Wolves alone would have taken the Sith Empire.
First of all, I like your commentary and explanation, thank you for summarizing very well what happened at the battle of Jakku. It was very well explained and also well presented. Actually I'm still continually surprised by how the vaunted Imperial Star Destroyers and the super ones always seem to fail to capitalize on their advantages and cover their weaknesses, which almost always seems to be starfighter defenses. Despite the rebels frequently having better pilots over the years, the Imperials always seem to fail to: 1) Improve quality of their pilots training rather than rely on old swarm tactics which clearly wasn't sustaineable once they lost the whole industrial complex of the Empire 2) Create better Tie fighters other than the Tie Interceptor (In Legends, they did create the Tie Advance based on Vader's own special Tie fighter, and the overpowered Tie Defender and even a special missile boat designed by Thrawn himself, but again I understand the costs for these ones were high but when the Empire was still strong, they should have capitalized on this after Yavin 3) Create dedicated gunships for anti-starfighter defense, which is basically what Correlian Corvettes are supposed to do (In Legends, they had a Lancer Frigate which ws just point defense laser cannons lethal to any bomber or even X Wing starfighters attempting to get close) 4) Just better Star Destroyers with decent point defense
Oh it was much bigger but that depends on the source material. "Battlefront II" and "Lost Stars" make it seem like an apocalyptic Battle of Coruscant level fight with hundreds of capital ships, thousands of support ships, tons of fighters on both sides. "Aftermath" focuses on the flagship's formation - the Super Star Destroyer and a few dozen Star Destroyers. A fight the size of the Battle of Endor was just a fraction of the overall fight. Basically several things happened in the year after Palpatine's Death. 1) Most Imperial fleets were spread out fighting the Rebellion everywhere. Planetary uprisings sprang up all over tying down Imperial forces already splintering from a lack of central authority as the rebels grew better organized and better equipped. 2) Many Imperial fleets were diverted to the unknown regions to regroup. They would form the First Order. We're talking thousands of ships. 3) Many Imperial factions rose to try to fill the power vacuum and held onto their assets jealously. Jakku was the last stand of the Pro Imperials - those adherents of the Imperial system but not necessarily Palpatine loyalists like those ordered out to the unknown regions. I think the battle is a great concept but right now feels very convoluted because there's no grand all encompassing view of what happened.
Indeed! Disney has no clue of the scale. Disney blew it. Made Mon Mothma an idiot, wanting to disarm the day after Endor. Old School D6 world was better. Imperial warlords battling it out while Akbar moved to Coruscant. And then Thrawn.
I find the Empire ending so quickly as somewhat lazy, writing-wise. I'd figure, based on realworld historical instances, that major Imperial leadership, admirals, and generals would create fractured hold-outs and mini fiefdoms by warring amongst rivals as petty warlords for decades, all in the hope of their "interpretation" of the Imperial Creed would have a resurgence and that they were the true inheritors of the Empire and the galaxy. You saw something similar to this after Alexander's the Great's death with his generals divvying up his empire and trying to take each other out. More interestingly they also could have went with something like the fall of the Roman Empire being continued in a fashion by Byzantium (though, that was almost a 1000 years before they were taken out by the Ottomans), with the Empire always being present (though, far less influential) and never truly being stamped out. Edit: to me, it's nuts to think that the Romans used guns and canons and ended in mid-1400's with the fall of Constantinople (now Istanbul 😋) This is just my two cents with the removal of the witch, I'd also be extremely happy to have the sequels becoming (ironically) officially non-canon 😂
@@nvmttThe Roman Empire lasted almost 2,000 years. They were overthrown by Muslims in 1453 A.D. The Kingdom of Trabizond was there version on the Imperial remnant.
To be fair they fixed with the life action shows official the war ended but unofficial no it didn’t plus you still have imperial remnants aside from the one Rex/Sloane has into these holdouts/fiefdoms like Moff Gideon?
Disney has an opportunity to make films about the post-Civil War era engagements and politics as a TV show, much like Battlestar Galactica. It could then bridge the gap between the Trilogy and the Sequels. At the same time, another series of films/shows perhaps about the Yuuzhan Vong invasion.
The fact that Disney made the Empire with a military of Billions, with millions of competent soldiers and officers and admirals who outmatched and outgunned the rebels 100 to 1 lose in only one years after the Battle of Endor was so stupid, legends makes sense because it takes time like an actual war, it took 6 years and even after they got a decent chunk of space and had multiple remnant factions
Competent? The empire is an oligarchy rife with nepotism and corruption+ the rebels were outnumbered before endor but when the emperor died it showed people that the empire is not invincible.
@@tracehorrocks1857 Actually in lore what showed people the empire wasn’t invincible was the destruction of the first Death Star, where after the rebellions numbers surged and the empire started quelling rebellions, and yes they were competent, you can’t have an empire for multiple decades governing over tens of millions of planets without knowing what you’re doing, Obi Wan himself said stormtroopers were elite soldiers who don’t miss, and after Endor the Rebellion was still outnumbered 1,000 to 1, it would take time even with a surge of planets joining your cause, make it make sense
@@tracehorrocks1857 Bruh. When Stalin died the Soviet Union still existed . People understood that their government was more than just one man. Just like the Empire, it was not just One Man, it was an entire system. A way of life that many people accepted. That's why in the REAL LORE the Galactic Civil War lasted 20 years.
Gallius Rax...now that's a deep cut. Outside the books, I've never heard mention of him. LOVE it! I feel sorry for him, being the Fool, and as expendable as anyone else...but he did alright for himself considering his horrid origins.
Also, I've been listening to Officially Devin since he had his OWN channel, with TW: Rome II--love the fact he's still going and producing more content than I can keep up with!
Why did Gallus tell Sloan where to go in the end 😂 Dude tried to kill her and frame her and when he's dying he's like you aight with me here you go champ.
Upon seeing this video, I've come to remember this. What Palpatine did what the True Sith are supposed to do and be like according the unrealized Knights of the Old Republic III, spreading chaos throughout the galaxy and have no regard who was in charge of the galaxy, let it be the Republic, the Empire, the Mandalorians or the Hutts. Also, with the Galactic Civil War over on this channel, I guess this is the time for the Clones Wars to finally take on the stage! P.S: As a way of opening the Clones Wars, using what Yoda said in the opening of the Clones Wars 2003 series will definitely be appropriate. And what he said is this: Like fire across the galaxy, the Clones Wars spread!
Yes Palps returning was garbage and I can’t believe that they brought THAT back from Legends, but to be fair wasn’t it established that all the crap that happened with the government wasn’t the fault of Leia and in fact she was given the boot and shunned because of her Vader heritage becoming open knowledge?
I really want them to make some movies or TV series about everything left of the Galactic civil war after endor... its really messy because something is in battle front 2, something in squadrons, something in comics etc. etc... I really thank you for this video because it helped me understand that one year of the war!
its seems creative, its seems epic, but when you really analyze this battle, it is a lazy way to try to wrap up an aspect of the story in a very rushed manner that is also very amateurish, but that is the extent of the capabilities of the writers and producers of disney star wars. This sort of thing only works in fiction, and because part of the appeal of Star Wars is the gritty realism, especially when it comes to the technology, vehicles, but also the politics, and these sort of epic fights are fantasy, which yes so too is the jedi, but if you make other aspects to fantastical, you betray when made star wars great, traits of blending scifi fantasy with a gritty lived in feel of a real dynamic and organic landscape. And these are things that many great writers of the EU were able to identify and successfully utilize, as did Gareth Edwards in Rogue One and Jon Favreau with the Mandalorian. But disney otherwise makes very lazy flashy choices that looks good on the surface, but are ultimately just cheap hype with little substance behind it. Hence they need to market it as "subverting expectations". For people that want to disregard the EU, just remember things like Corusant and Thrawn came from the EU. Meanwhile, little from disney creatives is popular in general, outside of the two aforementioned names. But then the whole treatment of Palpatine post ROTJ is just so badly done, it has shades of GOT season 8.
it's a franchise made for children where a plucky band of heroes use plasma swords and literal magic to defeat an intergalactic space empire. what part of that is gritty or realistic?
I had some issues with the presentation of the galactic map you didn’t clearly specify the galactic front lines of the conflict so the presentation felt chaotic I would recommend draw lines or adding highlights in blue or red so we can clear see what worlds or sectors the empire and new republic effectively controlled.
"Serve on frontline of Jakku. We give your family Lada Speeder if you die. Empire winning war. This just special operation to finally crush Jedi-loving Rebels. Death Star never happen."
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Great documentary! My main question is whether this is all Canon material or whether there are any Legends materials in it? I vaguely remember reading some of these materials in the 2002-2005 Star Wars Fact File, but wasn't all this decanonised in 2014? We know that lots of Legends materials have been retconned back into the Canon after 2014 (which I like), but selectively, as it may not clash with new materials from the post-2014 productions. So far, none of this seems at odds with The Mandalorian & Boba (set in 8 ABY) and the Sequel Trilogy (set in 34 ABY).
I hate the new Canon on how long the Galactic Civil War was fought and won. After Endor, it's a year later and the Empire is defeated and "surrenders". In legends it took years for the war to officially end. Even with Palpatine and the majority of the highest echelons of the Empire were killed, the Empire was still a vast organization. I believe in a year the entire thing would destabilize and be full anarchy. But the sheer size of the Empire means that many of the indoctrinated citizens would keep fighting because they believe the Rebels who have the dreaded and feared jedi within their ranks would annihilate their entire way of life. So they would fight tooth and nail for years until they eventually stop. And all the corrupt warlords would kept the conflict going for at least 5 more years during and after the conflicts end. Disney was just too lazy to give us the true conflict we deserved to see. Filloni is doing a good job to correct the errors and give is more legends material back. But it steals erks me after all these years
It's almost as if no one gave a rat's ass about storytelling or basic logic when rushing to cash in on a freshly-purchased franchise. Idiots
Its all disney, destroying star wars.
Yeah they could have still made something creative with these Legends materials.
@@itsblitz4437 They dont even know what stuff to steal or how to implement it. Disney is utterly bereft of talent right now.
Wasn’t admiral thrawn doing stuff too around this time?? I thought he was doing a lot of the consolidation of the empire in legends. I’m guessing he got replaced with the the cardboard Sloane
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27h?
I would love to see a one off on the build up to the clone wars. Or a series on that war itself.
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@@The1RedRooster no, not really
@@willmanning8084 so say something :)
@@The1RedRooster what do you want me to say? I didn't reply because I was at work. I have kids. I genuinely like star wars and have for almost 20 years. I find the angle that these types of videos put on already known facts incredibly interesting
@@willmanning8084Honestly they might just be a bot created to piss people off. Dumber things have been done.
Back in my day, the Pelleaon-Gaversom Treaty was what ended the Galactic Civil War
I hope they cover Legends’ post-Endor content at some point.
@@MrImperatorRoma well if they don't, I do on my channel.
A better a more civilized time, before the woke, before the disney.
I had a discussion with my friends a few months ago and I think that is the most disappointing thing about the new trilogy for me. Yeah I hated what they did with Luke Skywalker, but I could have forgiven it all if they had just given us a definitive end of the Galactic Civil War (preferably a formal one with a treaty) and the return of a reformed Republic and Jedi Order. Instead we got a watered down Return of the Jedi 2.0 with another ambiguous ending.
@@mercurio822 Red Flag
Lets also not forget what we see even in the two recent battlefront games, the ground fight was massive on countless different fronts, it just raged on for months. In battlefront 2015 we see the ravenger crash down and the chaos it caused afterwards. That game also shows all the fighters flying around with all the fire from the starfighters and cruisers and they look like ants or little specs on a screen watching them fly around everywhere in the sky. It was organized chaos meant to drive both factions to their breaking point. Inferno squad we see in battlefront 2 2017 was able to see the end of Admiral versio, who was a member of the ISB, they also helped rebels who's ship crashed take point rain and was able to stop a hanger of bombers being launched. All that I mentioned and it doesn't even break the surface of everything that happened, massive. Great video, loved seeing the buildup to the battle as well.
battlefornt 2015 battle of jakku was so good. I remember running and attacking in a line with others as a stormtroopper while the ravenger crashes to our left and AT-AT's walking between us. oh the memories.
In other words, despite hope from the Ahsoka series, there was never any Thrawn (counter) offensive the way there was in The Last Command, that set back the Rebellion/New Republic for years. Despite all hopes from the fans, the canon is set in stone that The Empire never got a second wind via Thrawn and we will see a new war. Thrawn's return would be legendary in the EU, but nothing but a footnote in the Kennedy canon....
good, the empire got what it deserved
I suppose the issue is that this was all written out with the express purpose setting up the intended situation for the Force Awakens, rather than leaving much room for major stories in between that would also shape the direction of the galaxy. With the upcoming Ahsoka series my guess is that they will frame it as Thrawn being in a position to potentially become a significant threat if left unchecked, but the wider galaxy and New Republic underestimates how dangerous he is (or could have become).
@zaleost fair enough but given that canon is locked, then it's a given that Thrawn NEVER becomes a threat that gets on radar of the New Republic. For all the posturing and promise invoked by his appearance and referring to him as "Heir to the Empire' we are never getting much more that sideshow. He will become the threat that shook the New Republic to the foundations by The Last Command.
Also, the Disney shows have been nothing but disappoitning, so I assume Ashoka won't change that.
Yet again, the Kathleen Kennedy influence screws true, old school, fans from having Thrawn make a truly awesome impact to the Star Wars saga. Anyone want to bet he's gonna be portrayed as "just another influential boob" and do nothing but essentially sit in a corner and gibber?!
I'd be willing to pay money to see a home-grown 2-hour long movies from people like Nerd Vault who would do Thrawn and the Star Wars saga the justice they deserved! Someone needs to get Kennedy and her "woke" social justice agenda to take a hike!
Now, in all honesty, I actually liked the acting on SWTFA, SWTLJ, and SWTROS.
That being said, there is nothing that can be a convincing argument for Rey to beat Palpatine. It would have been better for Luke and Anakin's force ghost to face Palpatine and destroy him as father and son. Luke could have expended his life energy for just that one battle, been reunited with his redeemed father as a force ghost, and Ben could have saved Rey by giving up his spirit. I would have been fine with this ending. On tatooine, we could have had a force ghost setting of Qui-Gon Jinn, Obi- wan, Anakin, Leia, Ben, Luke, Yoda, and even Han Solo looking on. (I believe he was, indeed, a touch force sensitive as in canon, there were individuals who never knew they were). At the end, you could've had Han say to her in front of all present, "Be seeing you around, kid." Just sayin'.
Everything after Endor sounds like it was written by a 8 year playing with action figures
Truly ashaming
I think recent stuff is trying to redeem that stuff by making it less clear than it was stated. We still see many remnants of the Empire in recent things as well as Thrawn returning to the galaxy, so I hope the new canon can sorta correct itself
Nah it makes sense
Even the things before Endor sound like they were written by an 8 years old lol
A classic case of "and then..." story telling, instead of "so as a result, this happens"
22:19 Apparently the peace was shattered by Horus. :V
I remember the first video I watched of yours on K&G was the battle of jakku like 5 or 6 years ago it’s great to see it redone like this
Recycled :)
@@The1RedRoosterI mean they’re doing the whole war why wouldn’t they do the final battle too?
That version was like 5 minutes long, this is 20+.
@@WizardsandWarriors Meat goes too waste?! (I hope i'm commenting about the Black Orcs because i've forgotten) Oi! Update us about Bakhmut
@@WizardsandWarriors ohhh! You are having a-go at my Attention-span!
Gotcha!! ^_^
After this talk about legends AND canon timelines DO THE HEIR TO THE EMPIRE BATTLES
Ought to cover battles under the Legends label, there's some real interesting ones there!
At 22:14 you say you are planning more Star Wars videos, I am 99.9% sure that art is from Warhammer 40K
Maybe you are not one but ROBOT
It's a joke, I guess. The Horus Heresy is a kind of civil war and the wordplay used by W&W might entice that Warhammer 40k is the future of Star Wars
Ah yes, the million-planet trillion-person Empire has only 3 of their most powerful ships.
You're not paying attention, mate. The Empire was DONE. Only a few die-hards couldn't see it. And...if you read the books, Jakku was meant as a way to destroy the final remnants of the Empire--by the Emperor, who reckoned if he couldn't be Emperor then an Empire shouldn't be allowed to exist.
@Crimethoughtfull Why not? It's not like he died or anything.
@@Crimethoughtfullyea, keep coping and trying to justify shitty writing. A organization as vast as the empire doesn’t just upend over night. We have numerous, real world, and contemporary examples of this. It took over a hundred years after the final sack of rome for the western Roman Empire to truly “fall”.
@@phillipgrubb2443 Look more towards Nazi Germany and see how fast they fell, the Galactic Empire was no different.
@@jacobberg373Nazi germany is not a fair comparison to Rome.
Now make a series on the better version of the Galactic Civil War which is the old cannon AKA legends.
Please and thank u
Wow, I loved this series. I just wished Disney remained a little more true to Legends. Maybe it’s a lot to hope for, but I would very much enjoy to see the Legends version of the Galactic Civil War. Not to mention the Clone Wars, and the wars that came before, such as the wars with the Sith Empire.
Yeah... the shitshow they made of anything and everything _after_ The Six is enough for me, tyvm...
I think Disney Star Wars has generally been making great efforts to balance the retconning of Legends with creative innovations to explore unchartered territories with Star Wars. The "Legends version" of the Galactic Civil War (if we can call it that) won't contradict the "Canonical version" that much, except that the latter includes more details such as the Battles of Atollon, Lothal, Aldhani, Ferrix, Jedha, and Scarif.
@@DutchSkepticthe gcw in legends actually had more details, there were battles between other factions such as pirates, the empire was more competant and the rebellion was more stronger, there were more battles in legends with concrete information than in canon. The black sun crime syndicate played a role and the entire confilct lasted 25 years compared to the 4 years in canon
@@DutchSkeptic They could of been more smart about it, but lets be honest. Disney doesn't do smart. its to big to be smart
@@seand.g423
Well, the Clone Wars show is good, ain't it?
"Hail to the Warmaster! LUPERCAL!"
Honour the craft of war, for only Horus is higher in our devotion!
Horus at the end was kind of random... :P
Star wars is another brilliant fantasy and science fiction series. I absolutely love these kinds of videos and i always appreciate your time and hard work and dedication to make these videos. Love from Sri Lanka ❤️🇱🇰🤝🏴.
Last time I was this early, there was still a love of sand in the galaxy
Boring
Plus, one massive error, Kaut was only one of several massive shipyards that contributed to the imperial war machine when it came to building its capital ships; With facilities on fondor, Bilbringi, Corellia, Sulis Van, alongside others shipyards also being key players in creating and maintaining the imperial starfleet as disintegrated following the disaster of endor and sabotage from within via Sidious contingency plans.
22:18 Soon Horus took over the remnants of the Empire and fought against the New Republic.
With as much money the empire wasted on big planet obliterating weapons platforms instead of the imperial navy Horus and the Luna Wolves alone would have taken the Sith Empire.
First of all, I like your commentary and explanation, thank you for summarizing very well what happened at the battle of Jakku. It was very well explained and also well presented.
Actually I'm still continually surprised by how the vaunted Imperial Star Destroyers and the super ones always seem to fail to capitalize on their advantages and cover their weaknesses, which almost always seems to be starfighter defenses. Despite the rebels frequently having better pilots over the years, the Imperials always seem to fail to:
1) Improve quality of their pilots training rather than rely on old swarm tactics which clearly wasn't sustaineable once they lost the whole industrial complex of the Empire
2) Create better Tie fighters other than the Tie Interceptor (In Legends, they did create the Tie Advance based on Vader's own special Tie fighter, and the overpowered Tie Defender and even a special missile boat designed by Thrawn himself, but again I understand the costs for these ones were high but when the Empire was still strong, they should have capitalized on this after Yavin
3) Create dedicated gunships for anti-starfighter defense, which is basically what Correlian Corvettes are supposed to do (In Legends, they had a Lancer Frigate which ws just point defense laser cannons lethal to any bomber or even X Wing starfighters attempting to get close)
4) Just better Star Destroyers with decent point defense
I am conditioned. As soon as your video starts with those jingle tones, I'm hooked.
The battle of Bahkmutt was a Turning-Point, indeed.
We would love to see you cover The Clone Wars.
Yes
At last! they posted another starwars video.
I really hope you will cover legends material in the future when it come to Star Wars.
This battle makes no sense. The Empire had 25,000 Star Destroyers at their peak. Why does the Battle of Jakku only have around 13 Star Destroyers?
Oh it was much bigger but that depends on the source material. "Battlefront II" and "Lost Stars" make it seem like an apocalyptic Battle of Coruscant level fight with hundreds of capital ships, thousands of support ships, tons of fighters on both sides. "Aftermath" focuses on the flagship's formation - the Super Star Destroyer and a few dozen Star Destroyers. A fight the size of the Battle of Endor was just a fraction of the overall fight.
Basically several things happened in the year after Palpatine's Death.
1) Most Imperial fleets were spread out fighting the Rebellion everywhere. Planetary uprisings sprang up all over tying down Imperial forces already splintering from a lack of central authority as the rebels grew better organized and better equipped.
2) Many Imperial fleets were diverted to the unknown regions to regroup. They would form the First Order. We're talking thousands of ships.
3) Many Imperial factions rose to try to fill the power vacuum and held onto their assets jealously.
Jakku was the last stand of the Pro Imperials - those adherents of the Imperial system but not necessarily Palpatine loyalists like those ordered out to the unknown regions.
I think the battle is a great concept but right now feels very convoluted because there's no grand all encompassing view of what happened.
Indeed! Disney has no clue of the scale. Disney blew it. Made Mon Mothma an idiot, wanting to disarm the day after Endor. Old School D6 world was better. Imperial warlords battling it out while Akbar moved to Coruscant. And then Thrawn.
@@forrestpenrod2294 Everything you just said cited Disney content, and thus, is completely wrong.
@@alexanderwatson1980 Jakku only exists in the new canon genius.
@@forrestpenrod2294 Is it reading or comprehension that's most difficult for you?
I find the Empire ending so quickly as somewhat lazy, writing-wise.
I'd figure, based on realworld historical instances, that major Imperial leadership, admirals, and generals would create fractured hold-outs and mini fiefdoms by warring amongst rivals as petty warlords for decades, all in the hope of their "interpretation" of the Imperial Creed would have a resurgence and that they were the true inheritors of the Empire and the galaxy. You saw something similar to this after Alexander's the Great's death with his generals divvying up his empire and trying to take each other out.
More interestingly they also could have went with something like the fall of the Roman Empire being continued in a fashion by Byzantium (though, that was almost a 1000 years before they were taken out by the Ottomans), with the Empire always being present (though, far less influential) and never truly being stamped out.
Edit: to me, it's nuts to think that the Romans used guns and canons and ended in mid-1400's with the fall of Constantinople (now Istanbul 😋)
This is just my two cents with the removal of the witch, I'd also be extremely happy to have the sequels becoming (ironically) officially non-canon 😂
they went the roman way. look up the imperial remnant. they were alive as a rump state for decades later.
@@nvmtt well there ya go!...sad they didn't go with that.
@@nvmttThe Roman Empire lasted almost 2,000 years. They were overthrown by Muslims in 1453 A.D. The Kingdom of Trabizond was there version on the Imperial remnant.
To be fair they fixed with the life action shows official the war ended but unofficial no it didn’t plus you still have imperial remnants aside from the one Rex/Sloane has into these holdouts/fiefdoms like Moff Gideon?
Please make a mini-series of every region in the Star war galaxy. Every region should be its own episode and talk about the history.
Amazing video! Keep up the good work.
"We are planning more videos from Star Wars"
Menwhile Warhammer 40k in background: *sounds of warcrimes*
I’d love to see the battles and campaigns from Legend of the Galactic Hero’s done by this channel
I love that universe so much
Same, working on a LOGH fanfic because that galaxy has a lot of potential.
one of my faverite battle in cannon
Disney has an opportunity to make films about the post-Civil War era engagements and politics as a TV show, much like Battlestar Galactica. It could then bridge the gap between the Trilogy and the Sequels.
At the same time, another series of films/shows perhaps about the Yuuzhan Vong invasion.
I still dont see how the rebels pull off victories like these without plot armor. Its the only reason.
The fact that Disney made the Empire with a military of Billions, with millions of competent soldiers and officers and admirals who outmatched and outgunned the rebels 100 to 1 lose in only one years after the Battle of Endor was so stupid, legends makes sense because it takes time like an actual war, it took 6 years and even after they got a decent chunk of space and had multiple remnant factions
In Legends the war lasted about 19 years
@@alt-monarchistyea 19 ABY Palleon surrenders the last imperial remnant after collecting most of the warlords then the Vong start to invade
Competent? The empire is an oligarchy rife with nepotism and corruption+ the rebels were outnumbered before endor but when the emperor died it showed people that the empire is not invincible.
@@tracehorrocks1857 Actually in lore what showed people the empire wasn’t invincible was the destruction of the first Death Star, where after the rebellions numbers surged and the empire started quelling rebellions, and yes they were competent, you can’t have an empire for multiple decades governing over tens of millions of planets without knowing what you’re doing, Obi Wan himself said stormtroopers were elite soldiers who don’t miss, and after Endor the Rebellion was still outnumbered 1,000 to 1, it would take time even with a surge of planets joining your cause, make it make sense
@@tracehorrocks1857 Bruh. When Stalin died the Soviet Union still existed . People understood that their government was more than just one man. Just like the Empire, it was not just One Man, it was an entire system. A way of life that many people accepted. That's why in the REAL LORE the Galactic Civil War lasted 20 years.
What a strange alternate history to the Star Wars saga.
This is not the final video, the long video will be and I can't wait to see it.
Good overview of the evenrs of the Aftermath Trilogy. The Canon Galactic Civil War feels shorter than the Legends one.
So hope you do some Legends battles etc in the future.
please make a documentary concerning thrawn books
Robit?
i didn't know you guys had this channel. looks like I have some videos to watch.
I have loved this series so much. Thank you so much!
You guys should do the real Star Wars lore, Expanded Universe
This is a really cool video keep up the work!
I feel like Tech is explaining all this while Hunter, Omega, Rex and the rest are just board to tears.
Soo true 😆
Great video!!! I can’t wait for more!!!
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Wow that scene looked 1000x cooler than any Sequel Scene
Thanks, but I don't think it is fair. :D The sequel trilogy had story and character problems, but the visuals were usually very good.
Then the sequel trilogy basically makes this entire conflict completely irrelevant in the first 40mins of the Force Awakened.
Gallius Rax...now that's a deep cut. Outside the books, I've never heard mention of him. LOVE it! I feel sorry for him, being the Fool, and as expendable as anyone else...but he did alright for himself considering his horrid origins.
Also, I've been listening to Officially Devin since he had his OWN channel, with TW: Rome II--love the fact he's still going and producing more content than I can keep up with!
More please. This channel is utterly amazing.
Please do the battle of Dumai’s Wells!!
We will!
You are doing a million dollar job, keep it up
can't wait for next part. This is the way
FYI you have Vardos at two different locations on the map
The character cards look a bit awkward, but I liked this. Good video guys.
I'd like to say this channel is awesome. 😍
I absolutely love your channel covering game and series lore! A massive series that would be super cool to see…… World of Warcraft?
The empire collapsing under the weight of its own power truly is ironic
Why did Gallus tell Sloan where to go in the end 😂 Dude tried to kill her and frame her and when he's dying he's like you aight with me here you go champ.
Great video. It has been a great series.And we all know that the civil war is over till Horus comes around to betray the Emperor.
Clearly - I just can't wait until they re-introduce Klingons to the canon 😉
Upon seeing this video, I've come to remember this. What Palpatine did what the True Sith are supposed to do and be like according the unrealized Knights of the Old Republic III, spreading chaos throughout the galaxy and have no regard who was in charge of the galaxy, let it be the Republic, the Empire, the Mandalorians or the Hutts.
Also, with the Galactic Civil War over on this channel, I guess this is the time for the Clones Wars to finally take on the stage!
P.S: As a way of opening the Clones Wars, using what Yoda said in the opening of the Clones Wars 2003 series will definitely be appropriate. And what he said is this: Like fire across the galaxy, the Clones Wars spread!
Love Star wars! Thanks for this!❤❤❤❤
This isn't Star Wars. It's *Disney* Star Wars.
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@@alexanderwatson1980waa waa waa
The explanation with Rax also explains the reference to him in the Bucketheads series.
This is Lamb Chops😢😢😢The war that NEVER ENDS
this is amazing. thank you for the video.
I wish we'd get a separate series specifically for Legends
Can you do some Starship Troopers documentary? or Gundam documentary? or Battletech documentary?
Another 1
Battlestar Galactica could be another space-based series W&W could do.
The Empire would quickly reform due to the incompetence of Princess Leia and regain control. And somehow Palpatine returned.
Yes Palps returning was garbage and I can’t believe that they brought THAT back from Legends, but to be fair wasn’t it established that all the crap that happened with the government wasn’t the fault of Leia and in fact she was given the boot and shunned because of her Vader heritage becoming open knowledge?
And now we fear for Admiral Thrawn as he is at the mercy of bad writing in the new TBA Disney Star wars series.
The empire falling in a single year was and continues to be completely stupid.
I reject your premise of Disney's shitshow being canon.
Legends never die.
Ok now I want to know the story of Horus leading a black crusade into the star wars universe
I really want them to make some movies or TV series about everything left of the Galactic civil war after endor... its really messy because something is in battle front 2, something in squadrons, something in comics etc. etc... I really thank you for this video because it helped me understand that one year of the war!
I would love to see a series on the Yuuzhan Vong war from Legends.
Great video 👍 Thank you 💜
Love the Star Wars Videos
This is the Disney sequel timeline. Do you think you’ll ever do the Legends Timeline with Mara Jade and Cade Skywalker?
Absolutely brilliant.
Please do the Clone Wars and then the Resistance-First Order war after that! Like how the three Star Wars trilogies were released!
I want the clone war era now!!!!!!!
its seems creative, its seems epic, but when you really analyze this battle, it is a lazy way to try to wrap up an aspect of the story in a very rushed manner that is also very amateurish, but that is the extent of the capabilities of the writers and producers of disney star wars.
This sort of thing only works in fiction, and because part of the appeal of Star Wars is the gritty realism, especially when it comes to the technology, vehicles, but also the politics, and these sort of epic fights are fantasy, which yes so too is the jedi, but if you make other aspects to fantastical, you betray when made star wars great, traits of blending scifi fantasy with a gritty lived in feel of a real dynamic and organic landscape.
And these are things that many great writers of the EU were able to identify and successfully utilize, as did Gareth Edwards in Rogue One and Jon Favreau with the Mandalorian. But disney otherwise makes very lazy flashy choices that looks good on the surface, but are ultimately just cheap hype with little substance behind it. Hence they need to market it as "subverting expectations".
For people that want to disregard the EU, just remember things like Corusant and Thrawn came from the EU. Meanwhile, little from disney creatives is popular in general, outside of the two aforementioned names.
But then the whole treatment of Palpatine post ROTJ is just so badly done, it has shades of GOT season 8.
it's a franchise made for children where a plucky band of heroes use plasma swords and literal magic to defeat an intergalactic space empire. what part of that is gritty or realistic?
"Gritty and realistic" Lmfao in what fucking way?
I had some issues with the presentation of the galactic map
you didn’t clearly specify the galactic front lines of the conflict so the presentation felt chaotic I would recommend draw lines or adding highlights in blue or red so we can clear see what worlds or sectors the empire and new republic effectively controlled.
"Serve on frontline of Jakku. We give your family Lada Speeder if you die. Empire winning war. This just special operation to finally crush Jedi-loving Rebels. Death Star never happen."
Would love to see some battletech content done in the same way as this.
Great video!
No matter how much we hate disney we do still have only them to thank that we still have star wars!!! George had given it all up...ep3 was his final offering. So star wars only survived cos of disney and darth Iger and grand moff kennedy
Great video ❤
This was super fun. Maybe you could do the legends uzonvong invasion?
Can't wait for the channel to incorporate the Ashoka content from Disney Plus
Need to do the Human Covernant war im this great detail.
Lol you added a chaos Marine in the end there
This was great. Question though what is the background music Starts about 10:59
awesome video please do more on star wars lore
Love it thanks
Wish you guys would do a Playlist on the clone wars
Great video thanks. If there's a topic/universe I'd love to see you guys cover it'd be the battletech universe. I'm certain you guys would kill it
as always good stuff
for some reason i wasn't expecting the "canon" version of the post endor war to be so fucking bad
fascinating stuff
Petition for W&W to do a legends series on the wars of the old republic
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