So yes...add another to the list of things already done a thousand times right...I figured 1,001 would really put it over the top...!!!! Enjoy!!! www.cardosyste... www.sena.com
My wife and I have moved to the Cardo Edge from Sena . The Cardo is much easier to connect to each other and the wind suppression really works 😂. I can ride with the visor open and she dose not hear the wind noise which I could not do with the Sena .The voice commands are just fantastic. Overall a wonderful system
Spring is just arriving in Canada, and after 6 years with the Sena 10S we just bought and installed the Pactalk Edge. I can’t wait to try it together, I was seriously impressed after the install and trying it on and playing the music in my house. Stoked to get on the road and try it.
Good review and thanks for taking the time to make it. I was a long time sena user but I just recently gave them the flick and I've converted to Cardo.
Used sena for years with no issues. It was an older model that still works but I switched to Cardo recently. I went with their base model HD and it’s good. Sometimes it has issues between my iPhone and the gps but ultimately I’ll probably stay with Cardo. I’ll upgrade it eventually
Thanks for the comment and sharing...The Sena for me was probably a fluke...as I said they were nice and replaced it for Free...on battery...I can get 12/15hrs before it starts to beep - that's on the BLK ones I have....thanks!
@@EbonBCardo black is on close out sale rn, best bang for your buck, on par if not better than the edge, 233 rn, 13 hour battery. How much longer could we need
Nice review, helpful. Been using a pair of Sena 20S EVOs for years, they work well. Many friends now run Cardo, got my Edge yesterday. Seems much louder, looking forward to mounting it trying it out. *Michelin Anakee Adventure and Rotella T-4!🙂
Thanks interesting video. I am in the process of buying a Sena Spider ST1 as it's cheap and my son in law uses one when he's riding.So what intrigues me is that no one as ever come up with a fix for waterproofing them.Surely there must be a sealant you can use to do that or perhaps you can use a cut a piece of bicycle innertube to wrap it in. There must be a way surely !
Unless you have the newer Pack Talk Edge, Cardo does not connect to any other bluetooth even using universal pairing. Not even the older Sena's with true universal pairing. I have had zero failures with any of my Sena's which I own 5. That is not the case with my Cardo's. The charging port got ripped out of one of my two Packtalk Bolds and two of my riding buddies four. The new PT Edge uses the USB C. We purchased two Packtalk Edge Duo's for my GF and me for a trip less than a month ago and one unit was dead out of the box. Got that one replaced and went on the trip where one of the other units stared to malfunction. It was like the microphone was bad but everything worked perfect when I put one of the other units in the mount. Then the replacement unit failed to turn on a day later. Thankfully I had bought the warranty and I was able to replace the bad units and everything associated with them for new ones. Bad batch maybe? Time will tell. The PT Edge did connect to the Sena's that the other PT's never could before using the new universal pairing. The Sena's still have a much more robust connection to your phone than Cardo's do. I can leave the phone on the bike and go into the restroom at he back of the store and still be connected to the phone with the Sena's but the Cardo's seem to disconnect before you even make it inside. We usually travel longer distances than you can travel in 13 hours so we have to use two units each. Hence the two Duo's. One of my riding buddies has mastered swapping his PT Bold while underway but the rest of us haven't and swap out units at the next stop. The magnetic connection of the edge makes this easy. I might even practice doing this underway in the future. The Sena units allow you to put them in standby by tapping the jog wheel. Standby greatly extends battery life. Enough that they usually last the entire 18-20 hours of the ride. We do have a second unit if need be. If you need to talk again you simply tap the jog wheel again. We usually put them in standby when we are between towns and have nothing to say and are enjoying the sights. A few years ago I rode 26K miles through all the lower 48 states in just under 3 months in all kinds of weather with the Sena's. This included a week long severe thunderstorm across the Gulf Coast and a Gale driving back from Key West to the mainland at night. Not fun but I had to be in Connecticut in two days. I also have a much cheaper off brand (Lexin B4FHM) for when I ride with my daughter that has never given either one of us any problems and her bike is her only transportation so she rides it everyday to work and back as a minimum. My oldest Sena will connect to these using it's universal pairing but nothing newer until I got the PT Edge. You can see I really don't have a preference. I just grab the helmet that has a compatible unit to whomever I'm riding with that day. If they don't have a unit, I will mount one of my spare units on their helmet.
If I would upgrade, it would be the Edge. The sound is louder/clearer, waterproof and I love the magnetic mount. Cardo is smart with that patent alone. The unit looks sleeker too. What is really dumb is the lack of joint venture between the 2 companies on the MESH connection. Stupid move!!!
Based on using one product from each manufacturer, I reckon Cardo is better value and quality. I've got the Cardo Freecom 2x and the Sena C10 Pro. Can't recommend the C10 Pro at all. Good idea, having the camera and comms in one unit. The reality is that trying to do too many things at once means they're not doing any of them particularly well. Connectivity issues with comms, poor battery life with the camera and you're very limited in where you can mount it too. The Cardo does everything it says it will do, does it well and I only have to charge it once a week, if that. The hard rubber case of the Cardo feels a lot better than the plastic case on the Sena, too. The Sena feels cheap to me, despite costing me nearly double what the Cardo did.
I went back - the only thing I found was they are Water resistant…I had the 50 which is what went bad….If you could share that would be great - thanks!!!
The new Sena Quantum mesh systems use Harman Kardon speakers and newly designed microphones, supposedly a huge improvement over the previous versions. Harman is the parent company of JBL Audio. Going to give Sena one more shot before giving up on them. The music audio quality of my Shoei specific SRL2 was very disappointing.
The Sena updates fixed the SRL2 issues. If you go with a new Sena, there is now a Sena SRL-2 Mesh which is a Sena 50x in a Shoei helmet. But look at what those you ride with have. If they are Cardo, go Cardo. You can always get a Sena Mesh Port Blue to also talk, at the same time, with Sena units on Open Mesh 2.0
I can plus-1 what @on-adv said. Sena upgraded their SRL-2 to the SRL-2 Mesh several months back. I originally had the SRL-2 in a Neotech-II helmet but swapped it out for the SRL-2 Mesh. The new SRL-2 has the JBL sound system and speakers. The difference has been night & day.
@@eyesonly4451 I've been using the SRL Mesh all summer in my Neotec 2 and I can also report that it is a huge improvement in sound quality over the previous SRL2 when listening to music. I have it paired to my 2023 Africa Twin.
@@ne-adv I did every update Sena had on their site for the SRL2 and nothing improved. I removed it back in April of 2023 when I posted the comment and replaced it with the SRL Mesh and couldn't be happier. I certainly hope the issues with the SRL2 have been addressed with any updated software since April so I won't feel as bad trying to sell it to someone and recoup some of the almost $500 I spent on it to be so disappointed.
My findings as well! I’m happy with my Cardo. What I DON’T like is that so many helmet companies have gotten into bed with Sena. But, even so, I use a Arai XD4 so no worries there.
Liked review. I am looking to buy one or the other. However. Am i missing something............. If Sena does not connect to Other Non Sena but Cardo connects to Sena. Am I missing something here... That by default means Sena has therefore connected to Cardo... 🤔
Thanks for taking time to share, today 3-17-23 I’m debating but have been leaning towards Cardo only because water resistance . Thanks, Does Cardo make a Harley Version or vice versa?
So wait do you have the edge? I wonder how the edge compares with the new mesh compared to the old mesh system. Sena’s was superior compared to the black iirc but not anymore
I do not have an Edge - All Pack Talk Bold - Now I ride with guy who has the Edge and we always have trouble getting him in the group...but it might be the unit...although he just got rid of it for a bold.???....I had no issues with the Sena outside it just wasn't waterproof only water resistant and with doing Adventure Riding....I didn't want to take the risk of not having that feature....thank you for commenting...
@@lifesjourneyat50 Don't know if this problem is still relevant, but I heard from other people that the cardo edge has to be admin of the group if the others have e.g. cardo bold.
For Solo - they are both great - again the biggest reason for me to move was waterproof....if you think you will ride in rain for long periods of time...I'm talking 3+ hours...Cardo....if you don't think you'll be in the rain much - Sena is just as good an option...good luck...both great products
@@lifesjourneyat50 Again, unless you plan to go swimming, as I have NOT tried that with a Sena, I ran 20s EVO, in rain, from Minneapolis to Toledo, at highway speeds, no windscreen, in 10 hrs of pouring rain, and then had the other rider, also 20S EVO, death wobble at 90mph and have his helmet come off in the crash, and that 20S EVO is still working. I got to listen to it bounce for 250 yards down I90.
@@ne-adv I don't know if any of us want to GO SWIMMING..ha!!! Maybe it was a fluke unit I had....so thanks for the information - Seem like this subject is as bad as tires. So again thanks for letting me know...much appreciated!!!!
Correct - I need to correct the way I phrased that - They both will connect - but the 50's don't from what I've experienced. They both are difficult to connect because its thru Bluetooth...so appreciate the call out - I think we all wish they would connect better....thanks!
Great question - I obviously didn't look at other options because these two dominate the market - gives me something to think about when I revisit - thanks for comments!!!
I think its because its a best signal gets recv'd system. For P2P, two riders, it IS hands down the best for range, but if one dead-mic's, no one else gets to talk unless they can drown them out. The comms that are prevalent allow party line type calls, where one can hear all. More like being in same room and all talking at once or some at once or taking turns, with the same results.
GMRS does have better range, but it's analog only, and kind of bulky relatively. Also requires a license. FRS (basically the license free version of GMRS) could work, but it's still just an analog radio. You get no privacy whatsoever, and no features like music, gps talking to you, ability to talk to just one other rider instead of everybody, yada yada. Being a digital network, you can also only allow your group on your network, and you can ride within range of another group that has their own network without interfering with each other. My BIGGEST question, is why they don't have a Cardo unit that'd work for a chase vehicle. Being surrounded by metal and glass, that signal is going to be severely diminished vs in the open on the outside of a helmet. I'd love to see a unit with something like an outside bluetooth unit with antenna that could bluetooth to an android auto / apple carplay enabled app.
He doesn't know anything about sena I've riding in the rain for for years. No problems you can have intercom with multiple people, you can pair with Cardo also which he said you can't I don't know where he is getting his information but it's false. As far as speakers 🔊 JBL is nice but I prefer HARMON KARDON my self since both my BMW and my Range Rover uses them on top im a producer engineer and we use thier studio monitors also. Both companies have their own priority functions but both are compatible with each other . Example with Cardo you have to connect with phone mode to any other com system but it's own company. Sena does the same but using Bluetooth instead of phone mode so on sena outside of connecting to cardos you can still keep your phone functions
Bottom line sena seriously need to sort out that waterproof issue, these are made for use outside on a motorcycle! It needs to be ip65 minimum! no ifs or buts 🤷🏻♂️
Ummm, thanks for the uhhh video. Ummm, I personally use the uhhhhh Cardo uhmmm. I do have ummmm, quite a bit of ahhhhhh, static ahhhhh, when talking to my ahhhhhh wife on the ummmm, back.
My wife and I have moved to the Cardo Edge from Sena . The Cardo is much easier to connect to each other and the wind suppression really works 😂. I can ride with the visor open and she dose not hear the wind noise which I could not do with the Sena .The voice commands are just fantastic. Overall a wonderful system
Thanks for the comments...!!!!
Spring is just arriving in Canada, and after 6 years with the Sena 10S we just bought and installed the Pactalk Edge. I can’t wait to try it together, I was seriously impressed after the install and trying it on and playing the music in my house. Stoked to get on the road and try it.
Good review and thanks for taking the time to make it. I was a long time sena user but I just recently gave them the flick and I've converted to Cardo.
Used sena for years with no issues. It was an older model that still works but I switched to Cardo recently. I went with their base model HD and it’s good. Sometimes it has issues between my iPhone and the gps but ultimately I’ll probably stay with Cardo. I’ll upgrade it eventually
I do wish one had a longer battery but it’s not like they can’t be charged while using
Thanks for the comment and sharing...The Sena for me was probably a fluke...as I said they were nice and replaced it for Free...on battery...I can get 12/15hrs before it starts to beep - that's on the BLK ones I have....thanks!
@@EbonBCardo black is on close out sale rn, best bang for your buck, on par if not better than the edge, 233 rn, 13 hour battery. How much longer could we need
@@SavageRoosterOnThaLooster how is the black better than the edge or even on par!?
@@SavageRoosterOnThaLooster you realize there’s other improvements you miss out. On aside from range and battery right?
Thanks for posting great review very helpful and no BS
Nice review, helpful.
Been using a pair of Sena 20S EVOs for years, they work well. Many friends now run Cardo, got my Edge yesterday. Seems much louder, looking forward to mounting it trying it out.
*Michelin Anakee Adventure and Rotella T-4!🙂
Thanks interesting video. I am in the process of buying a Sena Spider ST1 as it's cheap and my son in law uses one when he's riding.So what intrigues me is that no one as ever come up with a fix for waterproofing them.Surely there must be a sealant you can use to do that or perhaps you can use a cut a piece of bicycle innertube to wrap it in. There must be a way surely !
I find that odd as well for the waterproof...I think it's because of the connectors to the outputs....thanks
Unless you have the newer Pack Talk Edge, Cardo does not connect to any other bluetooth even using universal pairing. Not even the older Sena's with true universal pairing. I have had zero failures with any of my Sena's which I own 5. That is not the case with my Cardo's. The charging port got ripped out of one of my two Packtalk Bolds and two of my riding buddies four. The new PT Edge uses the USB C. We purchased two Packtalk Edge Duo's for my GF and me for a trip less than a month ago and one unit was dead out of the box. Got that one replaced and went on the trip where one of the other units stared to malfunction. It was like the microphone was bad but everything worked perfect when I put one of the other units in the mount. Then the replacement unit failed to turn on a day later. Thankfully I had bought the warranty and I was able to replace the bad units and everything associated with them for new ones. Bad batch maybe? Time will tell.
The PT Edge did connect to the Sena's that the other PT's never could before using the new universal pairing. The Sena's still have a much more robust connection to your phone than Cardo's do. I can leave the phone on the bike and go into the restroom at he back of the store and still be connected to the phone with the Sena's but the Cardo's seem to disconnect before you even make it inside. We usually travel longer distances than you can travel in 13 hours so we have to use two units each. Hence the two Duo's. One of my riding buddies has mastered swapping his PT Bold while underway but the rest of us haven't and swap out units at the next stop. The magnetic connection of the edge makes this easy. I might even practice doing this underway in the future.
The Sena units allow you to put them in standby by tapping the jog wheel. Standby greatly extends battery life. Enough that they usually last the entire 18-20 hours of the ride. We do have a second unit if need be. If you need to talk again you simply tap the jog wheel again. We usually put them in standby when we are between towns and have nothing to say and are enjoying the sights. A few years ago I rode 26K miles through all the lower 48 states in just under 3 months in all kinds of weather with the Sena's. This included a week long severe thunderstorm across the Gulf Coast and a Gale driving back from Key West to the mainland at night. Not fun but I had to be in Connecticut in two days.
I also have a much cheaper off brand (Lexin B4FHM) for when I ride with my daughter that has never given either one of us any problems and her bike is her only transportation so she rides it everyday to work and back as a minimum. My oldest Sena will connect to these using it's universal pairing but nothing newer until I got the PT Edge.
You can see I really don't have a preference. I just grab the helmet that has a compatible unit to whomever I'm riding with that day. If they don't have a unit, I will mount one of my spare units on their helmet.
If I would upgrade, it would be the Edge. The sound is louder/clearer, waterproof and I love the magnetic mount. Cardo is smart with that patent alone. The unit looks sleeker too. What is really dumb is the lack of joint venture between the 2 companies on the MESH connection. Stupid move!!!
Agree,...they can't figure it our...sad..thanks for the comments!!!
Based on using one product from each manufacturer, I reckon Cardo is better value and quality.
I've got the Cardo Freecom 2x and the Sena C10 Pro. Can't recommend the C10 Pro at all. Good idea, having the camera and comms in one unit. The reality is that trying to do too many things at once means they're not doing any of them particularly well. Connectivity issues with comms, poor battery life with the camera and you're very limited in where you can mount it too.
The Cardo does everything it says it will do, does it well and I only have to charge it once a week, if that. The hard rubber case of the Cardo feels a lot better than the plastic case on the Sena, too. The Sena feels cheap to me, despite costing me nearly double what the Cardo did.
Sena 50R is waterproof for adventure riding. But it can't be taken off to use on multiple helmets
I went back - the only thing I found was they are Water resistant…I had the 50 which is what went bad….If you could share that would be great - thanks!!!
My Cardo gave away on a ride under the rain for 8 hours :). Then again for the sound quality, I will still go for Cardo.
The new Sena Quantum mesh systems use Harman Kardon speakers and newly designed microphones, supposedly a huge improvement over the previous versions. Harman is the parent company of JBL Audio. Going to give Sena one more shot before giving up on them. The music audio quality of my Shoei specific SRL2 was very disappointing.
The Sena updates fixed the SRL2 issues. If you go with a new Sena, there is now a Sena SRL-2 Mesh which is a Sena 50x in a Shoei helmet. But look at what those you ride with have. If they are Cardo, go Cardo. You can always get a Sena Mesh Port Blue to also talk, at the same time, with Sena units on Open Mesh 2.0
I can plus-1 what @on-adv said. Sena upgraded their SRL-2 to the SRL-2 Mesh several months back. I originally had the SRL-2 in a Neotech-II helmet but swapped it out for the SRL-2 Mesh. The new SRL-2 has the JBL sound system and speakers. The difference has been night & day.
@@eyesonly4451 I've been using the SRL Mesh all summer in my Neotec 2 and I can also report that it is a huge improvement in sound quality over the previous SRL2 when listening to music. I have it paired to my 2023 Africa Twin.
@@ne-adv I did every update Sena had on their site for the SRL2 and nothing improved. I removed it back in April of 2023 when I posted the comment and replaced it with the SRL Mesh and couldn't be happier. I certainly hope the issues with the SRL2 have been addressed with any updated software since April so I won't feel as bad trying to sell it to someone and recoup some of the almost $500 I spent on it to be so disappointed.
My findings as well! I’m happy with my Cardo. What I DON’T like is that so many helmet companies have gotten into bed with Sena. But, even so, I use a Arai XD4 so no worries there.
I would agree...Sena is definitely trying to seed themselves into helmets...and I love my Arai XD4 - wish it was a little lighter...ha!
Have you tried Sena Mesh? They have Harman Kardon speakers in the mesh system, they actually own JBL. Maybe you pulled out too quick?
can cardo 2x cope with a slight curved helmet
Liked review. I am looking to buy one or the other.
However. Am i missing something.............
If Sena does not connect to Other Non Sena but Cardo connects to Sena.
Am I missing something here... That by default means Sena has therefore connected to Cardo... 🤔
I should clarify - they will connect - its a thru bluetooth and a pain...I should have spelled that out better - thanks!
Thanks for taking time to share, today 3-17-23 I’m debating but have been leaning towards Cardo only because water resistance . Thanks, Does Cardo make a Harley Version or vice versa?
From what I've gathered - only Sena makes specific for HD....that I know of...good luck..thanks for stopping by!!!
Fodsports - connects to all other brands, waterproof, long battery life, and less than half the price of the others.
Thanks for the info....must check out!!!
Can a Cardo Edge be adapted to a Cruising Bicycle helmet Thanks for your help
So wait do you have the edge? I wonder how the edge compares with the new mesh compared to the old mesh system. Sena’s was superior compared to the black iirc but not anymore
I do not have an Edge - All Pack Talk Bold - Now I ride with guy who has the Edge and we always have trouble getting him in the group...but it might be the unit...although he just got rid of it for a bold.???....I had no issues with the Sena outside it just wasn't waterproof only water resistant and with doing Adventure Riding....I didn't want to take the risk of not having that feature....thank you for commenting...
@@lifesjourneyat50 Don't know if this problem is still relevant, but I heard from other people that the cardo edge has to be admin of the group if the others have e.g. cardo bold.
Is there any difference between the 2 for hearing over the engine noise?
No - both are relatively the same…realistically other than the waterproof their the same….both are solid
I like the cardo jbl speakers water proof. In your opinion what would you suggest for a solo rider ?
For Solo - they are both great - again the biggest reason for me to move was waterproof....if you think you will ride in rain for long periods of time...I'm talking 3+ hours...Cardo....if you don't think you'll be in the rain much - Sena is just as good an option...good luck...both great products
@@lifesjourneyat50 great, thanks for the 411
@@lifesjourneyat50 Again, unless you plan to go swimming, as I have NOT tried that with a Sena, I ran 20s EVO, in rain, from Minneapolis to Toledo, at highway speeds, no windscreen, in 10 hrs of pouring rain, and then had the other rider, also 20S EVO, death wobble at 90mph and have his helmet come off in the crash, and that 20S EVO is still working. I got to listen to it bounce for 250 yards down I90.
@@ne-adv I don't know if any of us want to GO SWIMMING..ha!!! Maybe it was a fluke unit I had....so thanks for the information - Seem like this subject is as bad as tires. So again thanks for letting me know...much appreciated!!!!
Cardo freedom 4x for connectivity and sound quality
In Europe sena has upgraded speakers by Harman/Kardon
Some of us just need a slim waterproof unit giving us the sound from our GPS. I see no reason to pay a hundred dollars for that.
Wait, you said Sena won't connect with Cardo but Cardo will connect with Sena..... ???
Correct - I need to correct the way I phrased that - They both will connect - but the 50's don't from what I've experienced. They both are difficult to connect because its thru Bluetooth...so appreciate the call out - I think we all wish they would connect better....thanks!
Why don't more people use GMRS? I think it has better range and more help when it is very range when calling for help.
Great question - I obviously didn't look at other options because these two dominate the market - gives me something to think about when I revisit - thanks for comments!!!
I think its because its a best signal gets recv'd system. For P2P, two riders, it IS hands down the best for range, but if one dead-mic's, no one else gets to talk unless they can drown them out. The comms that are prevalent allow party line type calls, where one can hear all. More like being in same room and all talking at once or some at once or taking turns, with the same results.
Geeze, re-reading now, I can barely tell what I meant due to the swypos. 🤣
GMRS does have better range, but it's analog only, and kind of bulky relatively. Also requires a license. FRS (basically the license free version of GMRS) could work, but it's still just an analog radio. You get no privacy whatsoever, and no features like music, gps talking to you, ability to talk to just one other rider instead of everybody, yada yada.
Being a digital network, you can also only allow your group on your network, and you can ride within range of another group that has their own network without interfering with each other.
My BIGGEST question, is why they don't have a Cardo unit that'd work for a chase vehicle. Being surrounded by metal and glass, that signal is going to be severely diminished vs in the open on the outside of a helmet. I'd love to see a unit with something like an outside bluetooth unit with antenna that could bluetooth to an android auto / apple carplay enabled app.
The packtalk neo says it's IP67 rated.
He doesn't know anything about sena I've riding in the rain for for years. No problems you can have intercom with multiple people, you can pair with Cardo also which he said you can't I don't know where he is getting his information but it's false. As far as speakers 🔊 JBL is nice but I prefer HARMON KARDON my self since both my BMW and my Range Rover uses them on top im a producer engineer and we use thier studio monitors also. Both companies have their own priority functions but both are compatible with each other . Example with Cardo you have to connect with phone mode to any other com system but it's own company. Sena does the same but using Bluetooth instead of phone mode so on sena outside of connecting to cardos you can still keep your phone functions
Bottom line sena seriously need to sort out that waterproof issue, these are made for use outside on a motorcycle! It needs to be ip65 minimum! no ifs or buts 🤷🏻♂️
Ummm, thanks for the uhhh video. Ummm, I personally use the uhhhhh Cardo uhmmm. I do have ummmm, quite a bit of ahhhhhh, static ahhhhh, when talking to my ahhhhhh wife on the ummmm, back.
Had Sena 30K
Great voice quality and noise cancellation..total shit software and support..F them after 1k in products now with Cardo... easy Peezy
Cardo can connect to Sena but Sena can't connect to Cardo? That doesn't make sense to me.
Cardo can include Sena in its System, but Sena cant bring Cardo in