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Ever wondered which is the best bluetooth communications headset?
Is the Cardo Packtalk Edge worth buying? Is the Sena 50s worth it?
Looking for a Cardo Packtalk Edge review, or a Sena 50s Review?
In this video, we unbox the Cardo Packtalk Edge AND Sena 50s and put it to extreme tests! Find out if the Cardo Packtalk Edge or the Sena 50s is actually worth buying!
Decide for yourself if its worth your money and which is the best bluetooth comms for you as we put the Cardo Packtalk Edge and the Sena 50s through range tests, sound quality tests and push the mounts to the limit and see how they hold up!
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We did another round of tests for the SENA and the CARDO! this time with the Antenna up!!!
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Check it out!
Just ordered a pair of the Lexin G16 comm boxset. Had a Cardo G4 and current fitted SENA J-Cruise but 99% of the time, I talk to myself.
Music and phone calls are my priority.
Also for sena you guys stopped when audio started to break (300m) and for cardo you stopped when audio completely disconnected (audio started to break way before the 400m mark)
The audio test was so well made, the baseline for your own system and then the 2 devices. Very well thought of!
Thanks buddy. Appreciate you watching the vid. Hope it has helped u 😆
Really well done! Most other "tests" here on youtube don´t do much more than read out the specs which i can do for myself!@@tri333ple
I just installed one Cardo Edge on my full-face helmet 1 hour ago. Just getting the set ups done with the radio and Apply Play. Plenty loud enough even with ear plugs. Thanks for sharing this review.
Yeah the cardo edge is wayyy louder than the bold!
Thank you for the audio EQ graph! 👌🏼
Congrats guys a great real life test. Well done and a BIG thumbs up.
Thank you 🤗 . Hope the video helped
Just discovered this channel and been liking and browsing all ur vids. a wide variety and all at such high quality ... such an underrated channel wtf !! better than most riding channels w millions of subs imo! keep it up guys ... woohoo ...
Thanks for the kind words. More videos otw!!!😄
I love the humor in this review. Best review I’ve seen on these products I just pressed buy on the edge duo thank you.
Glad it was helpful buddy cheers!
Thanks for the great review. Randomly stumbled upon your channel & found you guys both informative & entertaining.
Thanks Mike! Hope you like the videos! 😇😇
Relaxing, entertaining and informative to watch. 🙂 Good job guys!
Glad you enjoyed it! More to come! 😄😄
Thank you for an informative and entertaining test, you just got a new subscriber
Thank you for subscribing! 🥰
now we need cheapo vs expensive communicator
I did have a EJEAS E6 in my helmet and V6+ in my friend's helmet (between 30-40$ each). The intercom is ok with a range about 400-500m. But the speaker is treble only, no bass at all. So if you want to use these cheapo for music, definitely no. No problem with phone connection.
Upgraded to edge and of course it's worth it!
I got here by watching other videos, yet I am glad I did. Great comparison. Thanks!
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You guys rock! Great review. Thx!
Very in depth comparison, I enjoyed it much!
I was pleasantly surprised of your speaker test, providing accurate loudness and sound quality samples to compare.
What i would have liked in addition, was a test of bluetooth compatibility and quality with third party devices, for example with a second independent bluetooth headset.
I would also be interested in a sound comparison between the old Packtalk Bold and the Edge, maybe even only between the speakers.
Maybe its worth it, to upgrade these or build them into a Sena (for example, the old cardo jbl speakers sound very good with the sena 30k connected)
Ahhh yes. If we get the chance to, we will probably make another one to do further testing. Would be interesting to see hw they perform differently 😃
Great video! Wish everyone would test products like y'all do. It did help decide which one to get. Stay safe and keep two down!
i think this is the best ad i have ever seen inside video :D
Excellent and fun review, thank you! 👍
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I've also noticed the Sena mount has changed from a foam gasket to a rubber gasket around the pins connector. Definitely a improvement as my old 20S foam deteriorated being susceptible to moisture.
Thanks for the info!!!
I had to remove the foam as it was interfering with pin contact on my 20s evo. Packtalk Edge purchased and arriving today.
Definitely need to do a mesh test on distance as both of these make a big point of this feature
my father and I have multiple sets of Cardo and all had the same issue when riding by two, it gets choppy and disconnects around 200-400 especially when there's obstruction like a car or two. we havent tried in big group but I'd say the price isnt worth it if the covered distance for two is just about 300m for clear comms. your review made us realize that it wasnt just us and it really is a Cardo Packtalk Edge issue. nice vid! 👍
Thanks for the review. I would have liked to see how easy they are to pair up with other units in a group and then how they 'heal' the connection after someone has lost connection and then needs to rejoin the group. I've heard that the Cardo is much better in this respect.
Hello there, good suggestion! If we do get the time to do another round of test we will probably do that!
I just got the Edge because one of my riding buddies uses Cardo (the rest use Sena). Anyway... initial impressions are very positive relative to my 50s, most apparent is the volume difference. I ride with earplugs and at highway speeds I need to have the 50s at full volume to hear anything and the experience is not great. With the Edge I have volume a bit above medium and I can hear better than the 50s at full. Using good earplugs I can eliminate most wind/road noise and have nice clear audio... that alone gives the Cardo unit a huge "Edge" over the 50s for me.
Your observations on range are in line with what I see... couple hundred meters in general. It's also VERY dependent on surroundings... can go quite a bit further sometimes but also a lot less.
Other comments - buttons are similar on both units (they're all a bit small for gloves) but the 50s uses the volume disk as a button and that works great. The volume disk on the Sena is also a bit easier to use compared to the small edge wheel.
Also... very well done video, great content and entertaining presentation.
I like to ride with earplugs as well, and I just got the Edge today (literally unboxing now). Good to read your "real world experience".
Ride swift, Ride safe!
To help u guys out. I had a hard time choosing between sena and packtalk..read for hours in diff forums and groups and it was almost like 50% liked one and 50% the other. So I just decided to go for the packtalk edge. And I couldnt be happier. Super clear sound when talking to my buddy. The range is way more then enough. We both use hearing protection that let some sound through and the volume for both the music and communication is still good. The voice commands works perfectly to change music, answer calls, lower or raise volume etc..Saying "go google" and then "call" whoever I want works great. The phonecall sound is as clear as it can be. No one can hear that Im doing 120km/h talking inside my helmet. They thought I was talking on my phone in my living room. When it comes to the battery, a 3 hour ride with a full battery leaves me with 70% battery left. And thats 3 hours riding with much talking and with music on at all time. The music automatically lowers the volume when my buddy starts talking. I can change the volume of both his talking sound vs the music however I want in the cardo app.
The only downside Ive found has nothing to do with the intercom but comes down to that I have to find a better spot in the helmet for the speakers since they put pressure on my ears. Other then that..excellent product and I wish Id bought them sooner. Riding is alot more fun now when we can talk to each other.
Thank you so much for sharing!!!
Thanks !! I was in the same boat just now and found your comment you saved me hours of research, because I did. Hear sena 50’s speakers by haram kardon was really good and better than packtalk edge but I’m trusting your word !! Ordering edge just now 😎, ride safe !!🤍
This comment is why i came to the comment section. Thanks!
You guys are great. Love your work la.
Thank u for watching!😃
Great video guys!!!!!
Really outstanding test!!
Fellas that was the best comparison test on TH-cam to date. Very informative and it covered real world use. Very goodlah
Thanks for the kind words ! 😁😁 we hoped the video helped!
Excellent testing 👍🏻🙂
Thanks we try our best! Feel free to leave a feedback so we can make better videos!
You guys are funny and present very well!
Thanks for the kind words. Hope you liked the vid! 😆
Being an audiophile and a rider as well range is important but sound is equally important for me aswell!! And I guess sena will be my pick because of much warmer sound, thanks guys, you helped me a lot in making my decision😊. Going to follow you for the quality of content that you are putting up!
Did you buy it and how is your experience?
@@nihalunni1214 hey bro extremely sorry for the late reply,I still haven’t got em as I am getting a new helmet soon, will update you once I get them
Cheers 🥂
Ride safe.
@@aarushgupta6557 okay
Something you left out of the equalized audio comparison is that the Sena audio can be adjusted on their phone app to change treble and bass output and maybe the Cardo can be changed to your preference too.
I wondered the exact same thing watching this. I have an old Sena 20s that's been flawless for the last 8 years but want/need a louder set up. Also curious about Cardo's 45mm speaker upgrade, whether they improve the sound quality as well. Anybody know?
Probably the funniest and most entertaining episode by far, great job guys 😂👍🏼
Hey buddy thanks for the feedback. We really need this. Its been hard work 😝🤭 glad you liked it
didnt even laugh once, they are quite boring tbh, their humor i mean
@@MissMan666 we appreciate all feedback! Thank you for leaving a comment we appreciate it! 😄
@@MissMan666 Its alright, takes quite a skill to appreciate their humour, which you have none 😂
Really good review good job
Thank you! hope the video helps!
My wife and I put the Cardos in our new helmets a few weeks ago. We were really unhappy with them. There was ticking, feedback and echos. We returned them the next day and bought the Sena 50s and are completely happy with them. Both installations were done at the motorcycle shop we purchased them at.
glad you found something that you're happy with! riding with comms is such a great thing!
Most people seem to have the opposite experience. You may have had a lemon.
@@jsl6155I was gonna say the same thing, my packtalk has been a dream and literal life saver.
Thank for the tests.
I'm using Edge and I think it's fit me since I'm more to .... intercom with my groups. If any1 more to music, they should prefer 50s since the music is better than Edge.
New subscriber, you guys are cool!
i just fixed my sena50s myself that i've been using for 4 years because water causing problem to the power button. Trying to open it gave me a bit headache luckily there's a youtube video showing how to replace the battery and i just follow that. Just clean it with contact cleaner and its working fine again.
this was a great video, and yall are funny haha
Thanks buddy appreciate the comment. We try our best hahaha check out the channel for more vids like these
I’ve GREATLY appreciated the use of the Pro Q3 equalizer to show the frequencies band, that’s not what I was expecting at all!
Another test where Cardo seems to have the advantage. My friends have Senas. The Senas have served us well and the only complaint one of us had was that the wires to the mic are very thin and any consistent hard use can easily wear it out and break the wire.
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Maybe you guys could do a review on the shoei neotec2 Vs your hjc Rpha 90?
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Thank you sir. Appreciate your comment! 😆
Verry nice, best so far!!
Thanks buddy 😃😃
Looking for first good com for my new HJC 90S Carbon. Per so many comments' here, I think the Packtalk Edge will do it. My case is a bit different due to the connection to my 2020 Goldwing.
Did you connect them with mesh tech or the Bluetooth, cause Bluetooth connection breaks up in 500m
Awesome vid. Ride safe, god bless u all.
Hi, excellent review what I needed to choose which intercom to buy.
I want to ask you if you have tried the wind cancellation during about 70-80 Km / h with the helmet open.
you need to get a windshield as they don't completely block out wind noise just yet
Umm hold up a minute. The first rider started breaking up audio long before he "lost connection" at 400m, the second rider stopped the motorcycle as soon as his audio started to break up...both apparently around 300m. They work pretty much the same.
BRAHS! great video, thanks
Thanks buddy! Appreciate your support!
Hi can the pack talk edge share music with cardio spirit? And can music sharing n intercome between rider n pillion be done at the same time?
Thank you for the reference mic graphs. I'm in the market for helmet audio mainly for listening to music. If anything, this video showed me that I shouldn't be expecting much bass even when shelling out a lot of money :/
Give this man a discount code! Well earned 👍
Outstanding! Subscribed…salamat po.
Thanks buddy. We appreciate your support!!!
@@tri333ple Walang anuman.
I would like to see u test the sena 50c against the cardo an others if that's possible. Thank you.
Really entertaining 😄 new sub here
Thank you for subscribing! 🙏🙏 hope the video has helped!
what is that nice tune playing during the test? Great test BTW
I would like to see a mesh comparison. I ride with groups of 5 or 6. We come in and out or range and change positions in the group. The older bluetooth connects has trouble with this. Are the Cardo and Sena equal with group mesh connecting and reconnecting?
It’s the point of mesh, it’s just 2.4ghz wifi you come and go as you please. Bluetooth you have to daisy chain is a pain to setup and if the middle rider drops out the chain is broken, it doesn’t self connect.
It would have been interesting with the audio test to see how each unit is set up on their app? The sena audio equalizer is set to off as default therefore the level may not have been as high. Not sure what the Cardo is set to?
Good point! And if we ever make another video we would check that out. The units came right of the box new and we didn't mess with the settings!
Great review. Question about the strength of the cardo mount. You had 10 kilo of force perpendicular to the helmet. But what I really want to know is shear strength. That is the reliability of the cardo magnetic mount if a bird hit the side of the helmet. How will it stand up to a blow from the side. Which is more likely.
For example. What if it was brushed by my hand lowering a visor?
There is a catch holding the cardo in place. So to release it you would actually have to press the catch and push the unit forward. In theory the direction of the impact should not cause the cardo to dislodge
i really like how the cardo is more crisp, when riding with earplugs, the top end is the first thing to go.
Ever since I switch from Sena to Cardo, I’m woah by the sound quality and the technology behind it.
Did you had the speaker from Harman Kardon?
@@timkronke8770it sucks it’s so quiet unless they sent me a faulty one
Enjoy your videos, great job. Trying to talk my son into a cardo or sena, he thinks he wants a Syphon sound pro but I hear the comms sucks. Again nice job on the videos.
Hi, some of my friends use Sena 50S, but i prefer Cardo Edge...can you please present a video about conection betwen both devices, how to do it, and if it works properly...best regards from Portugal
hello there, noted on that. we have a whole list of videos to shoot but will do our best to try to make that happen too! should be useful
Sena is not waterproof/resistant. (I believe their 50S is also not?) I had both the Sena 20S and 30K and both Sena's stopped working due to rain. The Sena 20S stopped working in a light drizzle, but would resume working during dry weather. The 30K is dead more than a year ago after riding my FIRST downpour with it. The rain lasted a mere 20 minutes.
Not so with my Cardo EDGE. It still works in 4 drives of pouring rain + 1 drizzle. Plus, and THIS is the biggest difference: the EDGE’s voice activation is far superior to Sena's. Absolutely zero doubt about that. I gave up shouting to BOTH my Sena units to make it work consistently via voice commands.
Cardo Edge voice activation works for me even on 120km/h+ highways, with the usual bike/wind/road noises at that speed! Simply put; I won't go back to Sena's products.
I will tuck my 2 Sena's away permanently in a dark cupboard in the house, safe from any harm from rain.... Cardo EDGE has convinced me to ditch Sena altogether after 5 years usage.
You can send me your sena’s. I’ll except
Really important point!
G'Day thanks for the comparison , I have a Edge any chance you could do a video how to pair a Edge to a Sena
There's a part 2 in our playlist go check it out
I have the Sena RT1 and also Cardo Freecom 4+ in several helmets that I use but has been ABSOLUTELY impossible to pair Sena with Cardo. I've read the entire manuals of both brands; did exactly what they say about how to pairing them but I wasn't able to do it.... Any of you have any idea about how to do it? MANY Thanks in advance !
It has to be done in phone mode
What is the copywrite free song you used called?
I did notice, when testing sena range. The antenna wasn’t up. I noticed on rides that it makes a difference.
THIS!!! I was kinda upset it wasn’t a “fair” test
We did a part 2 because you guys pointed it out!
I keep destroying my Senas in the rain so I’m looking to go with the cardio from now on.
Can cardo and sena connect and share music?
When you guys did the range test you did not raise the antenna on the Sena. I believe this would have made a difference in the Sena range.
hey buddy we did a part 2 with the antenna up, check it out its in the channel :)
GREAT VIDEO! FUNNY!!
Thanks for watching buddy . Ride safe!
How about parani backed by sena?
Just picked up a Packtalk NEO!
Have a good time with the cardo buddy. U'll love it
Great test! This just solidified my want for a cardo even more.
But lowkey does anyone else want to know what Amos was talking about from his brain book? Coz I do 😂
HAHA he was making up s%%# hahahahaha
What’s your analysis of the data from the audio test? You’re the engineer I don’t know squat, tell me the hood and bad please. Thanks
At the end of the day its down to preference, we made it so that what you hear from the video is similar to how you would hear it from the comms. the noticeable difference is the volumn.
By any chance you guys will test UClear brand?
And imoto a1 plus
sena seems more bassy. cardo seems more treble.
sena needs to raise the volume to get the same loudness level as cardo at a lower volume.
for a single end user, connected to phone via bluetooth and speaking to members via discord or other chat programs via phone data using bluetooth.... distance doesnt matter.
17:46 thats what she said.
Thats what she said indeed. Hahahaha
My wife's Sena mount broke where it clips in during a week long, multi-state trip. We had to use tape to make sure the unit didn't fall off during the return trip. I'd trust the magnet over the plastic. Also, the Sena has never been loud enough when I ride.
Yeap the sena speakers are softer. Anyway the magnet mount on the cardo has been great so far. Still using daily with no issues
What about real life waterproof test?
U revenge my masterrrrrr
you conduct the "distance" test with the antenna down... what use is that?
Round 2 we did one with the antenna up!
How easy does the Cardo connect to the Sena and vice versa?
It takes a little bit more effort, via bluetooth instead of mesh but still possible
In the range test you had a recording cell phone operating very close to the receiving Cardo/Sena which Im sure caused some interference and reduced your range. You also didn't say whether you used Bluetooth or mesh connection.
Hello! We used mesh for both headsets. You are right, there will be interference affecting range for sure but both are tested with a cell phone operating very close. We're actually looking at the difference in performance between the two under the same circumstances
@@tri333ple Hi, appreciate the reply and yes i see your point regarding the difference between them under the same circumstances. Im considering buying one but was pretty disappointed in the range of both of them in your tests.
@@davemcfadzien2435 we were all pretty taken aback by the 3-400m results (maybe because we were near the airport, and the reported range should be with multiple units connected) But having used both in our day to day riding they are actually both very useful for group long distance riding and we didnt really come across any major issues where it would affect the whole group riding experience, Would still be one of our #1 accessory for touring 😃 still if you can best to try it out and then decide!
I’d like to get a review of the top box
What do you mean it can’t turn down volume all the way? Did you notify Cardo?
we noticed in all our cardo units that when you lower the volumn down all the way you can actually still hear your music in the background. just something we noticed
I want to comment here about the reviews that you conducted.
RANGE:
Cardo - On 400meters the cardo totally disconnected but before 400meters the audio is not audible not sure if it's 200meters or 300meters
SENA - On SENA, on the video it's not show how far before it's totally disconnected
**And the other thing they didn't tell what connection they used? If it's MESH or Bluetooth.
hopefully this will be clear on next reviews because this is important.
10:00 Antenna was not set up. So 300m...
I would not mind them being a bit bigger so as to fit a larger battery. Better a device that would last at least a 12 hour duration of full use.
Cardo is more compact and has a 13 hour talk time. Bigger is not always better.
Bro what helmet that fit the speaker..
I think should include another thing which is ease of installation.
The cardo has tooless installation which makes it just a tiny bit easier to install
I had the Sena 50S and it Sucked! The sound quality was like a walkman from 1985! The App was glitchly and good luck doing the updates. Sold that thing like it was hot!
damn. for music, the cardo sounded noticeably better =P the sena is basically just very EQ-flat but anything that PLAYS your music now can probly also provide some EQ function, so maybe this doesnt matter.
The distance test would it if made it farther if the antennas are up?
Hey buddy yes we got some feedback on this and we made another episode where we tested it again!
@@tri333ple awe cool I’ll watch it and thanks for a quick responses
Do a Cardo vs Uclear Motion
With usin airplugs remember extra volume is needed
I like the Cardo but having years of experience with riding with intercoms audio quality is out the window when you start to ride, wind noise from your helmet keeps you from hearing settle differences in audio quality. I ride with earplugs and volume way up and you get better audio sound which keeps the wind noise at a lower note. You understand conversations at freeway speeds otherwise wind noise will drown out of your conversations.
yeah we agree, ear plugs help. having said that, the louder volumn from the cardo will definitely be useful
Which mic do you think is better?
Hi buddy, we honestly have not gotten the oppotunity to conduct an indepth test of the mics but if we do we will be sure to post it in the channel! Thank you for watching!
I just bought a bold for £180 with 5 interest free payments from Amazon as Bold is being discontinued.
Fantastic review gentlemen, it helps push me over the edge to buy what I had planned to buy, the Cardo Edge.
My Shoie Air II has a previous generation Sena SRL unit in it, it's not great. Is the app and pairing any better with the Cardo brand of coms historically? Sena has a ton of apps in the app store so it's tough to know which to pick, and I have to use an old computer with the first generation USB port on the computer end (white, not black or blue inside the port) to update the firmware on it, that is micro USB into the helmet. Seriously... I could not update the firmware from my newer PC with more modern USB ports, it wouldn't work. Again, previous generation Sena, I hope for the owners of this brand of communicators that the software, firmware updates, customer service, etc, are better.
USB C on both of these? Over the air updates on both?
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Yes type c for both. Cardo is over the air update while it seems like youd have to plugin the wireless adaptor to update the firmware for the sena