Its crazy that the actor who plays Shepherd in this series, also played callsign 'Overlord' in the original Modern Warfare 2. Glenn Morshower, you can hear him managing troops over comms in DC.
Graves is the best new character they came up with for the new Modern Warfare. He’s a soldier that looks out for his men, wants to get the win and if he has a bit of fun doing it so be it. Also, there’s a really funny line during the AC-130 mission this time around. When you destroy a tank in this mission Graves says “I hate those things” implying he never wants to be associated with a tank ever again.
Depending on the tank it might be the T-14 which has an uncrewed turret and everyone is in a metal box in the front which could have lead to him surviving and using an emergency escape hatch underneath the tank to get out. The front crew comparment wasnt on fire and the hatchs didn't pop so he might have lived. Or he might have stolen soap's plot armor and survived that way.
@@jacobjarrett9406 this is gonna sound ridiculous but they're at the stage where the fucker who just took charge like that then hunted him down etc... ALL OF THAT TO BE SAID IN "Hey now, that's not nice." EDIT: HEY MA! I'M FAMOUS! MA!!
Graves didn’t technically lie - he never fired first. His contractor fired due to a nervous trigger, and even after Soap and Ghost opened fire on him, he STILL didn’t fire until completely fired upon.
Also Graves wasn't even trying to get in a fight as well. He knew they would be agitated but he was trying to follow Shepard's orders without having to resort to shooting to get it done.
I like how both men are technically right. General Sheppard never “directly” ordered Graves to kill Task Force 141, but he did heavily insinuate the authorization to use deadly force if threatened. Graves could have taken this as an order to kill 141, but he didn’t actually carry it out because he could argue a case for self defense because Alejandro technically did attack him first.
They both have plausible deniability the only ones who can actually clear up the truth would be Ghost, Soap or Alejandro but now Soap’s dead, Alejandro is somewhere chasing Valeria and Ghost just isn’t the type to appear in front of a public Congress
Graves had illegally imprisoned Los Vaqueros, had taken their assets, and was going to arrest Vargas. Also they were in Mexico, which is why Vargas was in charge not Graves nor Shepherd. He wasn't in any way shape or form defending himself.
I mean If graves did admit tothat I feel like it would be hard to hide the crimes graves committed in Mexico by one imprisonment of Mexican special forces and the taking of their base and the mass killing of civilians and police officers in Mexico
Ok I would agree, but in that mission when Soap unlocks the last door on his way to the church and runs into that one shadow operator that Ghost snipes, right before Ghost shoots him you here Graves over the radio saying "kill him"
Yeah. He doesnt have the clearance and because hes Russian who worked with makarov at one point, he wouldnt be trusted and could cause issues being around since hes not 141.
Graves is the only character from the last two (Perhaps even three) games that actually feels like a real character, and has some personality. The rest of the characters feels like your average hollow generic movie NPC's you would write at the last minute while taking a shit.
Yup, I even liked Modern Warfare 2019 for trying to ground the story in some form of reality (despite it also has dumb moments) it also an incredible soundtrack. MW2 just started going back to being dumb again which was disappointing. I mean as a British man, hearing all the British characters talk like they eat gravel for breakfast makes me wince. But graves definitely stuck out as a more interesting character. I’d love it if it went for a ‘Sicario’ level of tone story wise. It certainly seemed it was trying to do that in the first game but now it’s almost become like a marvel movie.
@@wanyekest6969 I think he meant ‘typical’ or ‘standard’. I know what he’s trying to say, he comes across as a typical, hard headed American patriot kinda guy when you first see him in mw2 in the ac-130. I fucking love the casting they got for him too. Only issue is he seems under written now. He needs a motive to be evil and from what I can tell they haven’t done that after MW3. I get the feeling the fanbase liked him more than they thought and so they brought him back and made him good? Or he’s gonna be the friend in shadow company that makarov is working with? Not sure. If you make a character a loyal dog to an evil character, what you typically want to do is have them prove to be untrustworthy because their ONLY loyal to one person over all else (I.e. we’re only friends if I’m told we are friends, like in MW2) and you defeat them which is kind of a typical conclusion. Or, they are betrayed by the person they are loyal too and they turn on them. Either way is satisfying. But the way they write any character just feels so superficial in this series. It’s so aggravating
Homie forgot to use codenames when his missiles got jacked. Makarov stole missiles from him TWICE. How does Activision go from creating a dude trying to start world war 3 to kill Makarov and avenge 50,000 U.S. soldiers in the original to the basic "patriot" old general trying to clean up a mess of his own making and going for the easy win?
@@spanbab He's more of a neutral. Shepherd technically didn't explicitly give him orders to attack 141, but the authorization to use lethal force against 141 was implied if they retaliated. Graves technically didn't use it at first. He warned them not to get involved to try and stop their operation, but his hands were forced when they defied the orders and Alejandro tried to assault him. The back and forth happened and it spiraled from there. Graves simply followed orders, and if some of 141 was taken out in the process that would work out for Shepherd as it would be loose ends cleaned up. I think 141 knew this which is why when Farah laid out the pictures it was only Shepherd and Makarov since at the end of the day those two were trying to kill off 141. They always referenced Graves as a dog on a leash, in other words he was always, as he stated, just doing his job. The leash broke when Shepherd tried to wiggle his way out trouble in the Congressional interview.
@@DJ2226the situation might not have spiralled out of control if one of his men wasn’t so trigger happy and if he handled it more delicately. And Graves directly provoked Alejandro by talking over his base, imprisoning his men and insinuating that he was apart of the Cartel, he did not do much to deescalate the situation other than claim (he did not provide any actual evidence of that he received any such orders at the time either) that Shepherd had ordered it.
Really loving graves, ghost and gaz in the new reboot universe. Gaz in this game has come a long way from 2019, ghost is great as ever but graves feels like a character that should of been there in both universes. He fits in so well amongst the group
Something interesting to note that going back to watch the scene in MW2 on the betrayal, Graves was trying to be reasonable and somewhat diplomatic during the command to take over against 141, things didn't escalate until Alejandro (rightfully so) got violent over his men being detained. And even THEN the initial response was a Shadow choosing to zip tie and restrain him. And EVEN THEN when things escalated it was from a different Shadow shooting and not himself, nor did he give an explicit order to do so.
@@socialbreak8620you can’t forcibly detain people who aren’t combatants, nor corrupt officials, as that was not the task they were sent to do. Graves kinda just went on a massacre in Mexico
@@coolsceegaming6178 They didn't detain any unarmed combatants. The people who weren't corrupt were removed as they went throughout the town. Considering there's nowhere else to place them besides the base and they aren't there, safe to say they weren't detained.
He was looking out for Shadow Company. With Shepherd no longer a reliable source of income, he’s cutting his losses and leaving the general out to dry. Chances are he’ll continue to fight Makarov, but Shadow and 141 will remain at best neutral against Konni.
@@chatterycasque9594exactly. It seems more like an “enemy of my enemy is my friend” type of situation with Shadow Company and 141. The moment Makarov and Konni group is out of the picture, things are gonna get hostile again.
well, since Soap died, it means there is in 141 free space for a new team member. It actually looks like soap. A young, strong and dedicated fighter who wants to prove himself just like himself. Soap himself wrote about it in his diary.
@@Lightning_God_kashimoThat's not in any way shape of form a valid reason to seize assets from the Mexican Special Forces. He had no authority be in Mexico without being under the umbrella of TF141. TF141 was only allowed in Mexico because of Laswell's ties to Vargas and he approved them operating in Mexico under his authority.
Graves: "You've been relieved, thank you for your service." TF141: "Nah, we're gonna kill one of your guys right in front of you, and blame you when you retaliate."
I love people ignoring the fact Graves slaughtered the majority of a Mexican village, and killed anyone for even remotely being involved with the Cartel. Holding mass executions, making orphans as he cracked jokes. Honestly think Graves shoulda just went boom.
I assume it was an attempt by the writers to make graves 'evil' to make it justified for 141 to hunt him down and kill him and people are possibly ignoring that entire mission and its lore in general (other than the intro part where he betrays 141)
@@khaosproductio That makes sense, buts its like even the *writers* forgot that they made him do that. MWIII just doesn't seem to be it, 4 hour campaign with (to me) a more watered down version of the most impactful scene in COD.
From what I remember the entire village in mexico were all cartel loyal. Edit: if you go back and play the mission and listen carefully to their dialog the villagers even threatened to call up the Las Almas cartel and make sure shadow company pays.
You know what’s kinda stupid? Price knew and found out, when he teamed up with Farah earlier in the game, that Graves was still alive. And you’re telling me this man, a man who trusts his team like family, didn’t think to inform Soap and Ghost of Graves being alive before they got the intel on Makarov from Shepherd?? I get it would’ve compromised the mission they were on but Ghost and Soap are smart enough to still focus on Makarov and plan to take care of Graves later
That ending mate. Are we getting a part 4? I knee Graves was alive though. As a filmmaker I can tell you, if we don't show you the body of someone dead, that person is not dead. 😅😅 I know this is a game, but it's still a narrative.
Man I want a remake of the us invasion for cod I thought we would have that in this cod fuck guess they wanna milk the sh*t out of this storyline.. yay..
TBH, I don't really like the new General Shepherd. The General Shepherd I remember is a pure evil, badass, cold, and terrifying but the new one is just a damn coward. The old Shepherd beat the hell out of both Soap and Price but the new one, just killed by an easy shot and never dares to fight back and only what he can do is to say he's last words. " 5 years ago, I lost 30,000 men in the blink of an eye, and the world just f*ckin watched. " I miss the old General Shepherd.
Tbf, he's exactly like what a typical general would be irl. The general from the old mw2 was as unrealistic as it gets. No general is going to be on the front lines clearing houses or engaging in door to door combat. They're exactly like what we see in this mw series; an old guy who sits behind a desk passive-agressively giving orders and who may or may not still be somewhat competent in a combat scenario.
People say that both Shepard and Graves lied here but I don’t know where Graves lied. He said “no” when the guy asked if he acted on those orders. And he actually never once shot a bullet out of his gun at TF-141, but his men did
Graves is the one who shot Soap, mate. He's the one who got Soap on the ground after Soap killed the Shadow right next to Graves. He can argue self-defense, but he definitely shot to kill. And the fact that he kills the player if he spots them during the escape makes it clear he was gunning to take them out.
@@vicwaters87 If Graves had been shooting to kill, he would have just shot Soap in the head then and there, and called it a day. Soap wasn't exactly a hard target to hit at the time. And also killing the player during the escape kinda checks out...I mean, what do you expect? Soap's already killed multiple of Graves' men by that point. Of course nonlethal isn't gonna work any longer.
@@BCC-cc8lz uh yea but he STILL decided to follow Shepherd’s orders and detained his men unlawfully which led to Alejandro getting violent so technically Graves still lied to congress about opening fire on TF-141
Both of them are right, Shepherd never gave the order but he was willing to take the risk of pissing off Price and 141. Graves didn’t want to betray them but he said that he got his orders, and members of Shadow Company didn’t even want to detain them at all. So Graves was never ordered to take them out.
But why Graves and his shadow company occupy Los Vaqueros main base without Alejandro knowing? Far as i remembered, Alejandro only share a base only for capturing Hassan's mission, not giving to them. They even captured every last member of Los Vaqueros, including Alejandro himself.
@@nokia.s3350 Graves used it for two reasons, to detain Alejandro and his men & using it as an COC. His orders were specifically to aid 141 and Vaqueros in stopping the missiles and capturing Hassan. And they were almost certain to uncover the truth of the missiles, so Graves couldn’t allow that hence him betraying Alejandro.
@@HzG_R Are you referring to the cutscene with Makarov and Nolan talking about their "friend from Shadow"? In that case, they're talking about the captured Shadow guy they had just stopped torturing in the same cutscene, who probably revealed where General Shepperd is (who you proceed to find and unintentionally rescue in the next mission after capturing Nolan after this same cutscene). Nolan even asks what to do if the info he provided doesn't come through and Makarov says "Just fucking kill him".
So, im sorry I may be missing something. So in MW2, Graves informs TF141 that he has taken Alejandros base and basically thanks them for their service and asks them to leave, before the ensuing gunfight. So, did Shepherd order Graves to just open fire on 141, but Graves decided to give them the opportunity to leave anyway? Or is Graves lying here in court, saying Shepherd ordered him to kill 141 when that didn't actually happen?
Okay, I get that most people are siding with Graves, while others side with Vargas, but here's the thing- What if, as a joint-task force at the time, they are all responsible for what happened? Think about it for a second- In a weird yet realistic kinda way, Graves did make an illegal move to take over the Los Vaqueros base and illegally detained Vargas' men, while at the same time Vargas pushed Graves to pull off that blue-on-blue crap on Vargas and the 141, all three factions in the joint- task force engaging in a shootout in Las Almas. Realistically, that would land you in prison for a good long time, depending on the severity of the charges and the situation that ensued between all three. Now, Vargas would have been deemed unfit to lead due to his recklessness, as Graves would be deemed unfit to be commander due to the illegal actions that he had to take against his own allies. 141 is in the same boat with them, as well- Engaging upon friendlies, instigating the shootout, among other things- could lead all three of the forces to be disavowed. So, when you put 2 and 2 together- In my opinion, all 3 are responsible for instigating this personal war between each other. Yes, there is a lot of theories, but there's also cases where if the threat to blackmail a PMC or military army is present, they'll do whatever they can to get what they want, be it a base, an army, or a country. Again, this is just my opinion. If anyone wants to add to it or say something else- Go for it.
Grqves just looks like a father after ghost said "Laswell if you're tracking this let's call an airstrike." Then Graves just said "Ghost that is not nice."😂😂😂
@@TheBuster0926 Could be his descendant. WW2 still holds secrets of individuals. Mussolini, Hitler, Hirohito, Stalin, Eisenhower/Truman and Churchill still have secrets being found.
Its crazy that the actor who plays Shepherd in this series, also played callsign 'Overlord' in the original Modern Warfare 2. Glenn Morshower, you can hear him managing troops over comms in DC.
He’s also one of the interrogators from bf3
Idk it felt kinda jarring for me. I heard him and I was like, “wait… overlord? Did you steal Shepards job?”
He’s also the multiplayer fbi announcer in black ops 2
@@mikelifts8251I knew he looked familiar!
@@ProjectTaker and a General in Michael Bays transformers movies haha
My jaw dropped when Shepherd said “Do you realize how, Grave, this situation is?”
Also love when he said "They are in the Shadow! Company, move together"
There will be Price. To pay.
I couldn't believe they told Makarov to pay the Price for dropping the soap
my jaw dropped when soap died like that
"Don't you understand this is our Call of Duty: Modern Warfare III?"
Graves is the best new character they came up with for the new Modern Warfare. He’s a soldier that looks out for his men, wants to get the win and if he has a bit of fun doing it so be it.
Also, there’s a really funny line during the AC-130 mission this time around. When you destroy a tank in this mission Graves says “I hate those things” implying he never wants to be associated with a tank ever again.
But uses it against us in the final MW2 mission one question
HOW THE FUCK IS HE ALIVE WE C4ED THE TANK LIKE 6 TIMES
Depending on the tank it might be the T-14 which has an uncrewed turret and everyone is in a metal box in the front which could have lead to him surviving and using an emergency escape hatch underneath the tank to get out. The front crew comparment wasnt on fire and the hatchs didn't pop so he might have lived.
Or he might have stolen soap's plot armor and survived that way.
@@joemancool first one makes sense 2nd one no fucking clue why he would have plot armour
@@Luffy65401he said himself he wasn’t in the tank, Season 5 mw2
I liked Alejandro better tbh
Ghost: call in airstrike
Graves: that's not nice" 😂
Idk why I laughed at that 😅😅
@@jacobjarrett9406 this is gonna sound ridiculous but they're at the stage where the fucker who just took charge like that then hunted him down etc... ALL OF THAT TO BE SAID IN
"Hey now, that's not nice."
EDIT: HEY MA! I'M FAMOUS! MA!!
@@Raether608Graves strikes me as the "I'm not racist, but...." type
@@jamariobrown-tolliver8163 Lmfao I can see why
Ghost: Sure it is consider it an early Christmas Gift from TF141
Graves didn’t technically lie - he never fired first. His contractor fired due to a nervous trigger, and even after Soap and Ghost opened fire on him, he STILL didn’t fire until completely fired upon.
Graves is his shadows. His team fired first then 141 retaliated
Also Graves wasn't even trying to get in a fight as well. He knew they would be agitated but he was trying to follow Shepard's orders without having to resort to shooting to get it done.
It wasn't a nervous trigger mate
@deadchannel1905 Alejandro
@@itzzzdionec 🤡
I like how both men are technically right. General Sheppard never “directly” ordered Graves to kill Task Force 141, but he did heavily insinuate the authorization to use deadly force if threatened. Graves could have taken this as an order to kill 141, but he didn’t actually carry it out because he could argue a case for self defense because Alejandro technically did attack him first.
They both have plausible deniability the only ones who can actually clear up the truth would be Ghost, Soap or Alejandro but now Soap’s dead, Alejandro is somewhere chasing Valeria and Ghost just isn’t the type to appear in front of a public Congress
Graves had illegally imprisoned Los Vaqueros, had taken their assets, and was going to arrest Vargas.
Also they were in Mexico, which is why Vargas was in charge not Graves nor Shepherd.
He wasn't in any way shape or form defending himself.
I mean If graves did admit tothat I feel like it would be hard to hide the crimes graves committed in Mexico by one imprisonment of Mexican special forces and the taking of their base and the mass killing of civilians and police officers in Mexico
Ok I would agree, but in that mission when Soap unlocks the last door on his way to the church and runs into that one shadow operator that Ghost snipes, right before Ghost shoots him you here Graves over the radio saying "kill him"
@@mattelrod9131 Well that’s already after he was deemed a threat so he had the right to order the kill.
Man
Price just spawned inside Shepherd's room
I guess Shledgehammer did not fix the spawns after BETA fiasco after all...
Nah, he pulled a sam fisher
He had tactical insertion
Shepherd might as well have just spawned on shipment. Would've been the same end result
@@k3mx_it was for his daily challenge 😂😂😂
Technically grave did not fire on task force 141
He gave them a warning, and they opened fire. Forcing retaliation
I agree. He wont kill task force 141 so ya he gave them a chance to survive
Check again you two, one of Grave’s men fired first without sufficient provocation from Soap and Ghost.
He meant that graves didnt open fire on them back then@@cpaul562
@@cpaul562Did he fire cause Alejandro started wailing on a dude restraining him?
yup
@@amalik4273
Both Soap and General shepherd's deaths were less dramatic and impactful than old MW
Soap still had an impact in the end. Shepherd, not really though he did get what he deserved.
WAIT WHAT!?!?!
They’re more realistic tho so it’s better, no throwing knife bullshit
I prefer it more, in real war there’s no time for emotion you deal with that later what mattered was stopping the bomb for detonating
@@Colomenodd Realistic doesn´t equal better my friend
Liking the fact that the community loves Graves
He's such a charming bastard.
@@randomcenturion7264
He sure is!☺️😅 I’ll pick him over Valeria, anyday!
He’s just like Rafe, a chaotic but funny villain. And they both have the same VA. Warren Cole
isnt he more like anti hero chara?@@darkarrow3683
'Cause he's cute
Gotta respect Nikolai for saying he'll leave because its a Pentagon call.
why? what's the reason?
@@imadeekosatriawiguna6252nick said it himself, he doesnt have the clearance
Well, Nikolai is Russian. So it's quite give him the clear reason.
Yeah. He doesnt have the clearance and because hes Russian who worked with makarov at one point, he wouldnt be trusted and could cause issues being around since hes not 141.
@@KamexeWe all know Nikolai won't betray price
Graves is the only character from the last two (Perhaps even three) games that actually feels like a real character, and has some personality. The rest of the characters feels like your average hollow generic movie NPC's you would write at the last minute while taking a shit.
Yup, I even liked Modern Warfare 2019 for trying to ground the story in some form of reality (despite it also has dumb moments) it also an incredible soundtrack.
MW2 just started going back to being dumb again which was disappointing. I mean as a British man, hearing all the British characters talk like they eat gravel for breakfast makes me wince. But graves definitely stuck out as a more interesting character.
I’d love it if it went for a ‘Sicario’ level of tone story wise. It certainly seemed it was trying to do that in the first game but now it’s almost become like a marvel movie.
Graves feels generic? What?
@@wanyekest6969 sorry I typed it wrong should be fixed now. I meant to say that he does feel like a real person and not hollow NPC.
@@wanyekest6969 I think he meant ‘typical’ or ‘standard’. I know what he’s trying to say, he comes across as a typical, hard headed American patriot kinda guy when you first see him in mw2 in the ac-130. I fucking love the casting they got for him too.
Only issue is he seems under written now. He needs a motive to be evil and from what I can tell they haven’t done that after MW3. I get the feeling the fanbase liked him more than they thought and so they brought him back and made him good? Or he’s gonna be the friend in shadow company that makarov is working with? Not sure.
If you make a character a loyal dog to an evil character, what you typically want to do is have them prove to be untrustworthy because their ONLY loyal to one person over all else (I.e. we’re only friends if I’m told we are friends, like in MW2) and you defeat them which is kind of a typical conclusion.
Or, they are betrayed by the person they are loyal too and they turn on them. Either way is satisfying. But the way they write any character just feels so superficial in this series. It’s so aggravating
@@TheArsenalgunner28its funny that people forgets that Graves send to kill Mexican Civilians in the mw2
What's heartbreaking is Price apologizing to Soap for not allowing him to kill Makarov.
As Makarov kills Soap in front of Price.
When was this?
@@goldenTym MW3
@@goldenTymhappened in mw3 2011
@@sedahtionxmwIII, the mw3 from 2023. soap is killed infront of price cause makarov comes out of nowhere and headshots soap
Shepherd is so damn calm in this cod remake.
More like lame
Homie forgot to use codenames when his missiles got jacked. Makarov stole missiles from him TWICE. How does Activision go from creating a dude trying to start world war 3 to kill Makarov and avenge 50,000 U.S. soldiers in the original to the basic "patriot" old general trying to clean up a mess of his own making and going for the easy win?
Yeah btw he voiced overlord in mw2
reflection of modern generals
He was calm in the og
Graves from MW and Adler from cold war are the only characters who are on par with the original COD crew in the late 00's and early 2010's
They look soooo much alike, they resemble each other a ton its crazy!
Park,Kyle Gaz,Price and Ghost?
@@ChandranPrema123 park is far from interesting
@@ChandranPrema123 Not a single one of them.
@@ChandranPrema123
Lazar I say. He’s cool
I dont think graves would have stabbed him in the back if sheperd didn't try and do it before him
Is graves neutral or neutral evil
@@spanbab He's more of a neutral. Shepherd technically didn't explicitly give him orders to attack 141, but the authorization to use lethal force against 141 was implied if they retaliated. Graves technically didn't use it at first. He warned them not to get involved to try and stop their operation, but his hands were forced when they defied the orders and Alejandro tried to assault him. The back and forth happened and it spiraled from there. Graves simply followed orders, and if some of 141 was taken out in the process that would work out for Shepherd as it would be loose ends cleaned up. I think 141 knew this which is why when Farah laid out the pictures it was only Shepherd and Makarov since at the end of the day those two were trying to kill off 141. They always referenced Graves as a dog on a leash, in other words he was always, as he stated, just doing his job. The leash broke when Shepherd tried to wiggle his way out trouble in the Congressional interview.
@@DJ2226the situation might not have spiralled out of control if one of his men wasn’t so trigger happy and if he handled it more delicately.
And Graves directly provoked Alejandro by talking over his base, imprisoning his men and insinuating that he was apart of the Cartel, he did not do much to deescalate the situation other than claim (he did not provide any actual evidence of that he received any such orders at the time either) that Shepherd had ordered it.
@@spanbabjust neutral like Apex neutral
@@DJ2226I mean he tried to take their base and he literally detained Alejandro people then after that opened fire on them
Really loving graves, ghost and gaz in the new reboot universe. Gaz in this game has come a long way from 2019, ghost is great as ever but graves feels like a character that should of been there in both universes. He fits in so well amongst the group
Graves is the perfect definition of "My enemy of my enemy is my friend" 😂😂
yes
Ghost 😂 if you're tracking this let's call an air strike.
Ghost is the GOAT
When Shepherd got up during the hearing and said “it’s Graving time”…that really hit me…
Graves is probably going to end up like Prigozhin for betraying Shepherd
Price killed shepherd dude 😂
the bald guy ended up like prigozhin instead
man i need a tldr for this reference.
@@fearpacex6000Graves = Prigozhin
Speaking of which the cutscene with Shepherd interogating Makarov, made him resemble Prigozhin.
“Ghost that is not nice” gotta love graves😂
Correction, “Ghost, that is not nice😐”
@@Elite04232 Sorry sorry your right lmfao I just got soap on my mind Ima miss ma boy😔😢
“correction”🤓
Nah I don’t gotta love him he betrayed my boys
Graves is a great character man. I think this game campaign would have kinda sucked without him.
He has kinda won back my respect after betraying Shepherd in the Congress hearing scene. He really didn't wanna do what he did in Mexico.
Mercs work for money
I mean, the campaign sucked anyway...
price just spawning in from the shadows was badass and shows another reason why hes captain
Something interesting to note that going back to watch the scene in MW2 on the betrayal, Graves was trying to be reasonable and somewhat diplomatic during the command to take over against 141, things didn't escalate until Alejandro (rightfully so) got violent over his men being detained. And even THEN the initial response was a Shadow choosing to zip tie and restrain him. And EVEN THEN when things escalated it was from a different Shadow shooting and not himself, nor did he give an explicit order to do so.
still, they did start massacring the town when they took control, so its not complete innocence on graves part
@@mattwing05Corrupted officials in town and also people resisting against being detained forcibly.
@@socialbreak8620you can’t forcibly detain people who aren’t combatants, nor corrupt officials, as that was not the task they were sent to do.
Graves kinda just went on a massacre in Mexico
@@coolsceegaming6178 They didn't detain any unarmed combatants. The people who weren't corrupt were removed as they went throughout the town. Considering there's nowhere else to place them besides the base and they aren't there, safe to say they weren't detained.
@@socialbreak8620 nigga you can not have mercenaries on a black bag op take over a town 😂
I knew it... graves was one of us thid entire time 😂
He was looking out for Shadow Company. With Shepherd no longer a reliable source of income, he’s cutting his losses and leaving the general out to dry. Chances are he’ll continue to fight Makarov, but Shadow and 141 will remain at best neutral against Konni.
@@chatterycasque9594exactly. It seems more like an “enemy of my enemy is my friend” type of situation with Shadow Company and 141. The moment Makarov and Konni group is out of the picture, things are gonna get hostile again.
@@jsmaster4779 Unless they actually make amends. But, that's for COD to decide I guess.
"Call In An Airstrike"
"Now ghost thats not very nice"😓
What if Graves its new Roach? he's even as tenacious as a cockroach.
No just no
@@jamariobrown-tolliver8163well... like karate kid song says: Never say Never
Gary "Roach" Graveson
well, since Soap died, it means there is in 141 free space for a new team member. It actually looks like soap. A young, strong and dedicated fighter who wants to prove himself just like himself. Soap himself wrote about it in his diary.
This campaign was criminally short
I finished it in less than 4 hours.
The idea that they were going to make it into a 2 part campaign getting slashed in favor of slapping a 3 on it is absolutely criminal tbh.
Ghost: Laswell if you tracking this let’s call in an airstrike😂😂😂
Ghost: can we call an airstrike on them?
Graves: that’s not nice :(
He said “did you act on those orders” and buddy said no 😂😂😂 you did act on those orders
He returned fire, he initially gave them the chance to leave and they pressed on
@@BigMam-zv6ld true, but he still captured the vaqueros for no reason and took their base
@@adrienm8989They needed the base to stage future operations
@@adrienm8989They needed the base to stage future operations
@@Lightning_God_kashimoThat's not in any way shape of form a valid reason to seize assets from the Mexican Special Forces.
He had no authority be in Mexico without being under the umbrella of TF141.
TF141 was only allowed in Mexico because of Laswell's ties to Vargas and he approved them operating in Mexico under his authority.
"I'm CIA. I know all about lies"
That's no lie
She's definitely lying about the lie she gave to Capitan John Pork Price about lying!
I swear everytime this Shepherd talk, a "Hunter 2-1 this is Overlord" ringing inside my head and yes I know he voiced overlord in mw2
Imagine if that was on the news today 3:34
It would be a 'Real life' plot twist.
5:51 Shepherd basically telling Price to go fuck himself
Graves: "You've been relieved, thank you for your service."
TF141: "Nah, we're gonna kill one of your guys right in front of you, and blame you when you retaliate."
I love people ignoring the fact Graves slaughtered the majority of a Mexican village, and killed anyone for even remotely being involved with the Cartel. Holding mass executions, making orphans as he cracked jokes.
Honestly think Graves shoulda just went boom.
I assume it was an attempt by the writers to make graves 'evil' to make it justified for 141 to hunt him down and kill him
and people are possibly ignoring that entire mission and its lore in general (other than the intro part where he betrays 141)
@@khaosproductio That makes sense, buts its like even the *writers* forgot that they made him do that.
MWIII just doesn't seem to be it, 4 hour campaign with (to me) a more watered down version of the most impactful scene in COD.
From what I remember the entire village in mexico were all cartel loyal.
Edit: if you go back and play the mission and listen carefully to their dialog the villagers even threatened to call up the Las Almas cartel and make sure shadow company pays.
@@16soccerball In the wrong way, yes. You don't say no to a fucking Mexican cartel. Ever.
@@khaosproductioshacks, its the ACMF
"The best way to end a war, is to win it"
My mind can't handle the fact that some people like this story.
I knew it was bad, but I didn't realize it was this bad until I saw it myself.
"Look how they massacred my boy!"
If there's one thing that was done well in that final scene, it was how Price appeared from the shadows. That was perfectly in sync with the sound.
“Ghost that is not nice 🤨” 😂
Hermann Freisinger survived WW2 and became a Congressman
Was wondering why the face looked familiar
4:06 why are they always looking at eachother like that?? My heart cant take this anymore
Onds
You know what’s kinda stupid? Price knew and found out, when he teamed up with Farah earlier in the game, that Graves was still alive. And you’re telling me this man, a man who trusts his team like family, didn’t think to inform Soap and Ghost of Graves being alive before they got the intel on Makarov from Shepherd?? I get it would’ve compromised the mission they were on but Ghost and Soap are smart enough to still focus on Makarov and plan to take care of Graves later
Certainly Graves did not forgot what happened to Dipaolo, Vance & Erikson after Shepherd denied help during the botched missile delivery.
Fun fact: Phillip Graves is based off of Erik Prince, and Shadow Company in the modern warfare reboot is based off of blackwater
Lol graves just completely threw him under the bus
deserved
Nobody
That Congress dude judging the trial: Quiet....QUIET YOU TODDLERS''
i love how price rizzed shepherd before he killed him
When shepherd said "it's shepherds pie time" i got hungry
That ending mate. Are we getting a part 4? I knee Graves was alive though. As a filmmaker I can tell you, if we don't show you the body of someone dead, that person is not dead. 😅😅 I know this is a game, but it's still a narrative.
We’re definitely getting a fourth game maybe even a fifth
Man I want a remake of the us invasion for cod I thought we would have that in this cod fuck guess they wanna milk the sh*t out of this storyline.. yay..
Ghost will die in MW4 😈
@@TheTrav3ler lets hope so though I wonder how they'll going to sell the Russian army being a believable threat of invading the US this time around
I just dont like how Graves showed just like that in early act. Like nothing happened to him in the previous game
4:10
Different universe, but never forget what Reznov said. “The flag may be different but the methods are the same”
I enjoyed seeing Reboot's price avenge the OG characters killing Shepherd right in the head, just as OG Shepherd did to ghost in the battlezone
TBH, I don't really like the new General Shepherd. The General Shepherd I remember is a pure evil, badass, cold, and terrifying but the new one is just a damn coward. The old Shepherd beat the hell out of both Soap and Price but the new one, just killed by an easy shot and never dares to fight back and only what he can do is to say he's last words.
" 5 years ago, I lost 30,000 men in the blink of an eye, and the world just f*ckin watched. "
I miss the old General Shepherd.
Tbf, he's exactly like what a typical general would be irl. The general from the old mw2 was as unrealistic as it gets. No general is going to be on the front lines clearing houses or engaging in door to door combat. They're exactly like what we see in this mw series; an old guy who sits behind a desk passive-agressively giving orders and who may or may not still be somewhat competent in a combat scenario.
1:15 good arch linux setup.
ghost calling laswell to send in airstrike casually had me dead LMFAOOI
Was never in that office
-Gen Shep
My favorite part is when Shepherd said "Its Shepherding time" and proceeded to shepherd all over the place
“Did you act on those orders, Mr. Graves?”
“No, absolutely not, sir.”
Shepherd: **Friendly fire will not be tolerated**
"Ghost That is not nice." Got me dead 💀💀
People say that both Shepard and Graves lied here but I don’t know where Graves lied. He said “no” when the guy asked if he acted on those orders. And he actually never once shot a bullet out of his gun at TF-141, but his men did
Graves is the one who shot Soap, mate. He's the one who got Soap on the ground after Soap killed the Shadow right next to Graves. He can argue self-defense, but he definitely shot to kill. And the fact that he kills the player if he spots them during the escape makes it clear he was gunning to take them out.
@@vicwaters87 If Graves had been shooting to kill, he would have just shot Soap in the head then and there, and called it a day. Soap wasn't exactly a hard target to hit at the time.
And also killing the player during the escape kinda checks out...I mean, what do you expect? Soap's already killed multiple of Graves' men by that point. Of course nonlethal isn't gonna work any longer.
Ghost: Lazwell, if you are tracking this lets call an air strike.
Graves: Ghost, that is not nice😡
Not getting to kill Shepherd ourselves was a straight slap to the fucking face. This entire game is a slap to the face of all OG CODMod fans 😂
Sheppard went from saving the world with Transformers to a backstabbing SoB
Graves in a suit goes hard asf though
Gotta hand it to Graves. He can't stand liars
But he lied himself when he said he didn’t act upon the orders to fire upon TF-141
@@m3m3m4n24he gave them a chance to retreat. Things did not escalate until Alejandro got Violent.
@@BCC-cc8lz uh yea but he STILL decided to follow Shepherd’s orders and detained his men unlawfully which led to Alejandro getting violent so technically Graves still lied to congress about opening fire on TF-141
Hear me out but I feel like Graves should become the new Roach. And wear the Roach outfit imagine a shadow company version of Roach.
I seriously need to start playing this franchise. Looks amazing!
Laswell over here losing his mind 😂
Not as much as Shepard did
Her*
@@prankstereddyI thought Laswell was a man?
@@CowboysCreed 😂 3 games and 4 years after her introduction and you though Laswell was a man this entire time?
@@CowboysCreed Ever heard of a man named Kate? haha
When graves said “ghost that is not nice!” I was cracking so hard I nearly died-
Both of them are right, Shepherd never gave the order but he was willing to take the risk of pissing off Price and 141.
Graves didn’t want to betray them but he said that he got his orders, and members of Shadow Company didn’t even want to detain them at all. So Graves was never ordered to take them out.
But why Graves and his shadow company occupy Los Vaqueros main base without Alejandro knowing? Far as i remembered, Alejandro only share a base only for capturing Hassan's mission, not giving to them.
They even captured every last member of Los Vaqueros, including Alejandro himself.
@@nokia.s3350
Graves used it for two reasons, to detain Alejandro and his men & using it as an COC.
His orders were specifically to aid 141 and Vaqueros in stopping the missiles and capturing Hassan. And they were almost certain to uncover the truth of the missiles, so Graves couldn’t allow that hence him betraying Alejandro.
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Shadow Company was paid by Makarov to betray Sheperd and 141, there's cutscene where Makarov and Nolan talking about Intel from Shadow Company.
Just a theory ofc.
Isnt that from when sheperd is captured by them? Sry if im wrong havent finished watching the whole mw3 story yet
That... doesn't really make sense when all of post-MWII DMZ story Graves & Shadow Company was pursuing and fighting Konni non-stop.
There was a mole in Shadow Company but the story never explained if they dealt with the mole.
@@HzG_R Are you referring to the cutscene with Makarov and Nolan talking about their "friend from Shadow"?
In that case, they're talking about the captured Shadow guy they had just stopped torturing in the same cutscene, who probably revealed where General Shepperd is (who you proceed to find and unintentionally rescue in the next mission after capturing Nolan after this same cutscene).
Nolan even asks what to do if the info he provided doesn't come through and Makarov says "Just fucking kill him".
So, im sorry I may be missing something.
So in MW2, Graves informs TF141 that he has taken Alejandros base and basically thanks them for their service and asks them to leave, before the ensuing gunfight. So, did Shepherd order Graves to just open fire on 141, but Graves decided to give them the opportunity to leave anyway?
Or is Graves lying here in court, saying Shepherd ordered him to kill 141 when that didn't actually happen?
When you hire a prick don't be surprised when he screws you.
It genuinely bothers me that they both lied, yet only Shepherd was the one who had any repercussions
0:55 Ghost that’s not nice 😂
Ghost thats not nice🤓☝️
@@speedydoggo1935they said it right lol
*that was
Better call Graves
Holy shit is the congress dude doc mitchell? That voice sounds so similar
Who ordered the attack on the courier graves?
There can never be more satisfying death than Shepherd in Modern Warfare 2 Remastered
I loved the part where price said "you cant put a price on comrades"
Captain price became a soldier into 007 like daniel craig did on the first film on his day as James bond😂
Cool little detail.
In 1:30 Graves did a finger gun. Guess what happens
Why in the hell… does the congress person looks like Hermann Freisinger from Vanguard?! 💀
Okay, I get that most people are siding with Graves, while others side with Vargas, but here's the thing- What if, as a joint-task force at the time, they are all responsible for what happened?
Think about it for a second- In a weird yet realistic kinda way, Graves did make an illegal move to take over the Los Vaqueros base and illegally detained Vargas' men, while at the same time Vargas pushed Graves to pull off that blue-on-blue crap on Vargas and the 141, all three factions in the joint- task force engaging in a shootout in Las Almas.
Realistically, that would land you in prison for a good long time, depending on the severity of the charges and the situation that ensued between all three. Now, Vargas would have been deemed unfit to lead due to his recklessness, as Graves would be deemed unfit to be commander due to the illegal actions that he had to take against his own allies. 141 is in the same boat with them, as well- Engaging upon friendlies, instigating the shootout, among other things- could lead all three of the forces to be disavowed.
So, when you put 2 and 2 together- In my opinion, all 3 are responsible for instigating this personal war between each other. Yes, there is a lot of theories, but there's also cases where if the threat to blackmail a PMC or military army is present, they'll do whatever they can to get what they want, be it a base, an army, or a country.
Again, this is just my opinion. If anyone wants to add to it or say something else- Go for it.
Grqves just looks like a father after ghost said "Laswell if you're tracking this let's call an airstrike." Then Graves just said "Ghost that is not nice."😂😂😂
Anyone notice Mr. Hutson looks like Friesinger from Vanguard?
Just like how in Bo3 Zombies. The Revalation Intro shows Dr. Maxis. And hes just a reused model from Campaign.
Totally Believe you there mate.
@@TheBuster0926 Which model? Player?
@@TheBuster0926 Could be his descendant. WW2 still holds secrets of individuals. Mussolini, Hitler, Hirohito, Stalin, Eisenhower/Truman and Churchill still have secrets being found.
“Wouldn’t do you any good.”
That is such a cold quote from Price.
Lmao. The betrayer got betrayed. XD
Graves was clapping back like a thanksgiving argument
My Jaw dropped when i First saw a Modern Warfare Reboot and saw how they destroyed Call of Duty with the last 3 games even more
Nah mw19 is an exception
0:58 is like two kids arguing on a game
Oh, Great! Freisinger survived Berlin After all and he's immortal?!
Graves is Rafe from Uncharted 4. I don’t remember his name but holy shit he is incredible.
They need to keep killing characters in random ways, it makes it more real but I still hate it
It wasn't random though since they were done before, would be if it were fresh characters and those who did not die in the old timeline
Calling an airstrike is crazy
Price shouldn't of stopped with Shepherd
He should've gone after Activision.
i love how farah is a commander serving for like 10 years and captain price has served for 18 years and still a captain
The Congressman is almost identical to Freisinger, the main villain of CoD: Vanguard
Ghost doesn't give a fuck on what he say