I hate the argument of "if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about". Why would anyone with a tiny bit of intelligence believe that? Not only is it completely false in most situations, it's not even a possibility. Anyone who says that is living the phrase "ignorance is bliss". Doing something "wrong" according to whom? And why do we ever have falsely accused people released from prison? It's a ridiculous argument, don't be silly, of course a person is reasonably justified in worrying about false accusations and malfunctioning tech and various human errors.
@@GrantSR True, usually the people who say it think there's actually something wrong with just being "one of those people" as if that alone is illegal and justifies arrest. Sad. But like I said, a tiny bit of intelligence..
@@catserver8577I hate to give Warren Buffet a win ever... But he said it best. This is all class warfare, and the richest are winning by miles. It does not take a lack of intellegence, the folks most saying all this crap are saying it because they (at moment at least) still can afford attorny's and to fight, delay, and create a resonable doubt, getting off the hook even when thier DNA is planly present at horrific crime scenes. Meanwhile they try to pit everyone else against each other, they go out of thier way to support bad faith political actors who imply or flatly state utter falshoods about the human condition, racism, and sexist ideals. And they fund "philososphers" to try and justify all these things whom lash out at any reasonable logical, or ernestly stoic opinion as radical, anti-nationals, whom prop up decades long corperate ad champaigns as if they where ancient traditions, and attack actual ancient culture as devient! not so that they will win, but so thier voice is heard and divides us. Yes, I am getting close to politics, but everything is politicial. And if you did not know, I am not speaking about a certin red hatted puppet movemnt that gained its own steam, becoming its own thing. I am speaking about the John Birch *consperaicy* and its not a theory, it is a self admitted consperaicy to take over the United States and make it a Corptacracy, one that quickly got into bed with the remannets of the North American German Bund... Litterally a German Supremesist NAZI party that attempted to gain control of the US goverment prior to WW2. The two movemnts still march on as one today, using the same tactics Mao and Lennin used to rile up support, and get agents into office.
This is just like letting everyone know where your "address" is and all of your "personal information" on the internet while, Idk, thinking that the since the person legally "can't" do anything they won't. It's just "stupid," sorry. These people choose to assume that the government will be on the right side of things. But it's just like that one guy who has pain and ignorance and uses that information to "hurt" you in some way. My point is the government is "no different." In fact, it's worse. MLK said that groups are usually much more "immoral" than "individuals."
Face masks are also powerful adversarial fashion. I can also see this impacting our fashion sense as a society. People may become more prone to wearing creative outfits, makeup, and face wear as a means of hiding identity. Costumes could become more normalized in everyday wear.
Hello where have you been these past few years? People already painting their faces wearing masks, changing their sex and names! All in attempts to hide who they really are! Only now they'll be wanting to do it for A different reason other than self denial! Instead it'll be for self preservation!
Many places have anti-mask laws in place--for example, anti-KKK laws from the 19th and 20th centuries. These laws could easily be weaponized against people wearing covid-style masks in public.
Not to mention how face masks help prevent the spread of disease. I haven't had a cold since 2019, and we literally wiped out some flu strands from when people actually took the time to wear masks in public. That was pretty nice! Like the video said - certain adverserial fashion can disrupt certain systems, but the most certain and universal blocking methods are face masks and umbrellas. I wish, for all these reasons, that face masks were more common today.
@@realdreamerschangetheworld7470 It has been for nearly a decade now. Fingerprint scanners, facial recognition on smartphones. Most social media requires you to enter your private information. Why does Facebook need my phone number and real name? It didn't, when i left it 10 years ago.
PBS is pretending that they were our friend all along but (because of Gingrich), PBS is NO better than Fox nor that network with the Trump reality show, nor...
Will 🤣🤣 Total with you and feel that while I leave this comment light heartedly trying to feel better about the dismal surrounds... many people will feel too cynical to care or engage in the topic for this to change like you or I want 😢
This is authoritarian. I once overheard a police officer stating 'there is a charge for everyone'. That should tell you something about the mentality of the system collecting evidence on individuals but also scouring social media to responses to videos etc to find evidence of an attitude towards authority etc.
Mass surveillance is dangerous. If you are erroneously identified you are going to jump through hoops to prove that an error occurred and that is likely to be costly for you to do. I can envision needing a lawyer to fight the bureaucracy that made the error and we know just how difficult that can be.
It happens all the time. A dude who happened to be riding his bike down the street was shown via Google mobile data to have been near a burglary, and he had to prove he was just passing through the area coincidentally. We are constantly generating data that is not protected, and that is easy for us to not notice it's even being generated in the first place. You might think you have nothing to hide, but you probably also don't want to shout from the rooftops that you were (unwittingly) at the scene of a crime and have to spends lots of money on legal fees to prove you didn't do it. It's not like innocent people ever go to jail, right? Right...? Not to mention all the other misuses of personal data.
While I agree. most of that camera ballooning is because people find it's easier to use actual footage of something to fight or prove a case in court...
@@MKisFeelinSpicy Tbf, it can also get you out of a situation. Nothing like footage of you being totally somewhere else to support your alibi when you are accused of something.
Where was that sentiment when it came to saying "no" to the Patriot Act? After all, if we believe all that we're told then all the Hijackers died, leaving very few others to round up.
And you will lose it. Money sadly is at the other side of the arguement. You may vote for someone, but only important thing is who funds that said someone.
i just look at every camera and wave my hand sending a "hi there". imagine everybody doing this. it would had an impact, i guess. constantly reminding them the we know what they are up to and we are not afraid.
Isn't the real problem that we don't require methods of fixing errors to be just as robust as the tech. When the tech works it's a hero, but we have disjointed processes for fixing errors. We still can't fix errors in credit scores without jumping thru unreal hoops.
A couple supermarkets in my country have started using facial recognition cameras, and even more scarily the Westfield malls in my country have started using facial recognition cameras in their standing electronic advertisement boards, meaning if they recognise you and have data on what you buy from either bought information, or purchasing history inside the mall can start pushing advertisements at you, it starts to feel like all those dystopian movies or shows where you're being watched at all times just to sell sell sell.
I will say that the Westfield advertisement boards apparently just do profiling on your looks and age displaying different variance of the same ad depending on who is standing in front of them, but don't allegedly store or correlate the face data to other systems. An article titled "Facial detection used by Westfield malls for targeted advertising" goes into detail on how this system works.
Mass surveillance is something I could never fathom in a positive way. There is not the ability to collect that much information about people and prevent any sort of ill use of it.
the one thing that is certain is this tech isn't going away and will only get better. Without strong controls in place, it will be abused. We are seeing this already with the NY attorney barred from an event because her firm was involved in a lawsuit against the venue.
Mass Surveillance is a thing. I used to work in central London and I had to get used to the idea that my mugshot was being taken about 300 times a day. Cameras are everywhere in London. Every shop. Every office. All public transport, including all busses and trains. Every traffic light and road junction. Every Government or public building. All bars and restaurants. You might be unobserved if you travel via the sewers, but I wouldn't count on it.
Half through my doing self check out at our chain grocery store, a Black man, myself, was flagged as a possible shoplifter and a "courtesy attendant" had to check me out. My photo even came up on the check out screen. There was no problem other than waiting to verify I hadn't stolen anything. None of the other shoppers were so identified and stopped. AI allows the amplification of benefits for some at a cost to others. Former AI developer Cathy O'Neil wrote about this in her book, "Weapons of Math Destruction." My take on this ultimately what happens to the "lowest" rung in society rises up and affects more and more people. Accept the benefits now and the costs will be far worse than imagined later.
I think that our rights, laid out in the constitution, are under constant threat by bad actors or even those who seek to do public good. It’s incumbent on us to let our leaders know when they’ve gone to far and to remove them from office if they don’t pay attention
There is no right, in the constitution, to protect us from cameras or police using them. The rights many seem to think are being "taken" from them aren't even rights as they think of them.
Pro's and con's there can be pro's but it doesn't matter how many; the con is - it can be abused in a heartbeat. Not just governments also non-governmental hacking etc.
I once read about a Londoner who wore IR lights near his face in order to hide from all the cameras in London. The police quickly tracked him down and forced him to remove it.
just consider how many innocent people are already behind bars due to false accusations and were told to make a plea deal because they couldnt afford bail and so they were told even if innocent this was the best route to take. this will just get worse with cameras everywhere that can be abused to show what someone wants shown just to keep the for profit prisons full. there are a ton of people in congress right now on both sides that would gladly abuse the hell out of all of this. it scares me.
During COVID people objected to writing their names down once entering bars so if a patron came in while sick with COVID the bar could contact the people exposed to this individual. How come there was opposition to that yet not one of them cared about AI technology at the bars doing exactly the same thing, just automatically 🤨
Democracy is not the default. Authoritarianism is. We have to root out corruption in politics, and the only way we have to do so, is by voting in every single election at all levels. Research the candidates by looking at their voting records. If we don't all do our part, we will not like what our future becomes.
Mass surveillance is ALWAYS invasive and a violation of the 4th Amendment. Take traffic cameras for example. I always stop just far enough into the intersection to trigger the camera. I haven't run the light, I haven't broken any laws, but I have just cost the city the $ it takes for an Officer to review the footage, this way you reduce the profit motive involved with traffic cams.
If it ever came to this I'd walk around the rest of my life with an IR beacon on my head blinding every bit of surveillance technology that cared to glance in my direction.
I have a feeling this is inevitable. People will complain on social media, but not act to elect responsible politicians to enact policies that benefit society rather than themselves.
Yeah, W. Bush screwed us all with dept. of homeland security creation under a "just cause" argument. Then with his 'Patriot Act' & the addons behind it. Don't think its a red or blue, left or right thing, Obama continued the Patriot Act bs (1 of a few things he did that pissed me off, but at least he was wayy better that w. bush). When the alphabet soup is the law, they have & will continue to operate above it with or without citizen consent or knowledge thereof. The UK was a huge testing ground for cctv recording & outlining legislation.
so which leaders are promising or even talking about opposing this? The vote it out thing is such a fraud when politicians are paid by corporations.. For that matter democracy in a white majority country on stolen land where you all just genocided the opposing population is a giant lie.
Saying we don’t understand how it detects a nose is like saying we don’t understand how a computer can identify a fingerprint. As a security engineer, facial recognition has a ton of data points that can be analyzed just like if you wanted to know how electronic fingerprint reader can work. I’m not arguing for or against, but I can say these companies use misconceptions about the technology like this to reassure new customers that people simply don’t understand the technology yet and will grow to enjoy to streamlining and safety they bring. That’s all BS but if people say stuff like we don’t know how the machines do it and company easily shows that is not true, that is one of long list of ‘misconceptions’ they use to show their technology is simply misunderstood and if people did they would not see it as big brother. Same goes for government, when people bring arguments that can easily be disproven instead of sticking to the larger systemic issues, it causes more issues and the more a company can show people’s arguments are wrong, the more and more they look like the misunderstood party.
Not mentioned here is all the ways you can be serveilled by things you don't normally consider. Like your cell phone, or your smart TV, or any device connected to the internet in your smart home. And oh yes, even your car is harvesting data about you. I think we're at a point in time similar to the early telephony era. In those days their solution was you had to get a court's approval to tap or use information from voice telephone conversations. We need to scale that protection up to cover all our personal information and activities in the digital sphere. You can't stop the flow but you can require specific approval for each time someone feels the need to use that info. If you can't make the case to a "privacy judge" then that citizen gets to keep his privacy for one more day.
never leaving the house doesn't work for avoiding surveaylence unless you also build your home for avoiding surveilanec. Remember folks, keep your fucking webcam unplugged when not in use.
Having experienced multiple events of identity theft, I am deeply concerned about the use of my image and my name used falsely and have lost much control over my personal information. How can policies be written that will protect people who are on the forward edge of changes from being labeled, as threats rather than being a person who can share advance knowledge? Policy makers need to understand and respond with policies which protect human life and still allow for CHANGES to occur as a part of natural evolution.
We all should worry cause IF the AI all of a sudden decided that you are a threat or something or decides that you are a criminal or a terrorist and do on you could be hunted down and arrested for something you've never done
Security cameras are often sensitive to infrared light, because they often use IR for night vision. This means that having IR LEDs near your face (on a hat, or glasses) makes enough glare that you become unrecognizable. Cameras saved me from getting fired. Twice. I'm a fan of surveillance cameras. One thing people don't seem to realize is that it takes 8 hours to watch 8 hours of footage. No one is looking at the footage unless something actually happens... except A.I. That can constantly watch you, identify you, track you... There is a 2008 miniseries, "The Last Enemy", that goes into how a surveillance society can be overbearing and abusive. I recommend it.
@@ldbarthel And why is the AI flagging timestamps in real time? Someone "looks menacing," ie. has resting bitch face? A Black person walked through a predominantly White neighborhood? If something happens, a team of human beings with training can look through the footage taken around the time it happened. AI doesn't need to be involved at all. The only reason AI is being used is for oppression, full stop.
3:04 Haha, more like "I'm sure that person looks familiar... where do I know them from?.. I know I know them but I can't for the life of me remember their name."
_"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."_ - George W. Bush? No, Benjamin Franklin.
Most of the laws we have in blue states are not unreasonable, but I worry about the prying eyes of red state governments and what atrocities an “eyes everywhere” Florida or Texas would lead to.
The only people who don't have to be afraid of excessive surveillance are the people who currently agree with everything the government does and will always agree with everything the government does. And I think I can say with quite a lot of certainty that this kind of human does not exist.
I like how it's kind of psychedelic, too. Definitely making a statement. I was also thinking about certain stripe patterns that appear to move. Those would probably work as well.
Very complicated issue. On the one hand, constant surveillance by private companies is scary. But CCT cameras help greatly in capturing the Boston Marathon bombers. The EU has sooooo much better laws to set up guardrails for modern technology. The USA by contrast is in the dark ages.
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” Luke 21:36
It would be interesting to select a couple of states of varying demographics and have no surveillance allowed for a few years and then compare outcomes with similar states who kept surveillance...as in a controlled social experiment. I think it should apply to private and public spaces. Likewise, I wonder if studies have been made in companies who monitor employees keystrokes, bathroom breaks, and such comparing them to companies who don't. Is there a difference in productivity, profits, employee retention, etc. Too many "great concepts" get instituted, in my opinion, with complete disregard for the scientific method. Thus, policy is made and resources spent based on feelings and fear rather than facts.
An excellent presentation. Only one concern: neural net facial recognition was referred to as "algorithms". They are not, they are heuristics, and it's important: an algorithm by definition gives the correct answer, whereas a heuristic may give the wrong answer (or fail to complete). See the first section of the Wikipedia page on algorithms, for example. It is important to underline (as you did in other ways) that the results of AI-based computation are not guaranteed, and that we have no way to assess how reliable they actually are in any given situation.
Truth! I can't like this enough. It's especially damning that the CEOs/developers are often spouting how great AI will be for the future, we'll all benefit in some miraculous way, it will solve all the world's ills, and we'll all live the utopian dream. No. It will do what they tell it to do, and we plebes who don't understand it will be stuck if we don't put limits on things now.
We need rules &legal limits on this technology like those of the EU & perhaps even stricter controls. And perhaps we need to address homeowner cameras as well - limit to only their property not public streets
Prefect quote she makes at 9:30 in the video.. "Just cause we "CAN" use a prog like this!!" "DOESN'T mean we "SHOULD" use IT!!" Cause the whole time I watching this video, the scene from"The Dark Knight" at the end when Samuel L. Jackson says the same thing when Batman turns on the tracking system and leaves because of the ETHICAL and MORALS of it...
I love this topic, it reminds me of alot of sci fi novels and movies. Large sunglasses and a face mask might work decently in an urban area. I've heard of satellites that can identify someone by the gait of their walk. I believe that's how the government identified bin Laden. Being the tallest person in a group doesn't help much...
Adversarial methods would only work for so long. The future models will be able to overcome these easily. It's a ever losing arms war that just makes the systems more robust.
I look forward to getting valid effectiveness data from law enforcement. My experience has been that they are often very leery of working with or giving data to scientists to evaluate their programs and practices. I had hoped that the financial incentives and avoiding consequences of ineffective strategies would be motivating, but there's a trust barrier.
i just look at every camera and wave my hand sending a "hi there". Imagine everybody doing this. It would had an impact, i guess. Constantly reminding "the rich men north of Richmond" that we know what they are up to and we are not afraid.
"The rich men north of Richmond" are not looking at the camera - the cops in your town are. Your senators do not give a shit about you or what you do with your life, because they can scare you into keeping cops around to oppress you.
Would a good place to start in terms of law regarding Mass surveillance be to make surveillance useful for investigation purposes but not admissible in court? EG surveillance can help police determine who to question and then they have to compile further evidence for being able to admit in court such as phone records etc.
You're delusional if you think the authorities care about any of you. It's literally only to control your speech and what you do. If you go against what they want, you are done. That is literally all this is about. It's always been about having the power over you and keeping it.
You didn't even mention network connected EV cars and how car companies have the ability to collect all of the video out of all of the cameras on network connected cars. There are about 9 camera's on the new EV cars. All of that data can go to the car company and eventually to the government.
Anyone claiming that "Republicans and Democrats are the same" HAS NOT researched what Republican appointed Judges have done FOR corporations at our expense
Thank you for this. This is a serious issue. We need to call out terrible dictatorship dystopias like China and recognize that is not the future we really want.
Security cameras are mostly there to provide footage for more or less funny youtube videos. Imagine all those "content creators" going out of business... Our economy needs these cameras.
Jaywalking laws are the most insane and draconian law. Walkers should always have priority over cars, they aren't protected from the elements or sitting on their arses. It's draconian and selfish, it also encourages driving instead of walking which is bad for physical health, pollution and the environment. If it's in an antisocial situation with fast traffic then oh well the walker is being an idiot and will get run over. If you're wasting money on surveillance noone wants, put those camera's to use spotting people making insurance scams or vandalising things. Why would you even need a rule to stop people walking into certain death? It's kakistocracy. Not surprised though: Draconian kakistocracy = America ('many guns' does not equal liberty as the US propaganda machine would like you to think).
I can't believe that neither the video or any commenters has referenced William Gibson, and his "Ugliest T-Shirt in the World." Which is a shirt exactly for this purpose.
Are they going to use it do improve the lives of everyone on an individual level? *Or are they going to use it for profit* being able to just slip some cheeky fines in on everyone? If it is the latter, then in the words of Hubert j Farnsworth... "I don't wanna live on this planet anymore"
8:09 and a little back: 13% reduction in crime, where does the data come from, and is that because there are less criminals, same amount but less frequency, or because police deem the area green due to CCTV and don't report crime.
Based on the number of stories I have been reading on TH-cam those CCTV cameras are essential for getting people to stop lying when the police come and often Karens are the ones who call the police. Karens who attack in stores immediately tell the police they have been attacked (even sexual assault) even though they threw cans at people or stole a wheel chair after throwing someone out of it. Without those cameras they would never get prosecuted. Also some people don't even have to go to court to prosecute. After the Karens attack minors thinking they are employees the police just take the camera recording to court and save everybody a lot of time. Based on everything I am seeing more apartment buildings need to have these cameras to protect the tenants from being attacked or robbed (drug dealing is also prevalent). Apparently Vegas does not have cameras in the hotel hallways and the people who steal and break into rooms while they are occupied know this and take advantage of that fact. I would appreciate a camera in the hallway for my safety. A lot of people have been saved by having a camera and voice recording made while in their cars. Sometimes it has actually protected them from police who lie. I was in a car accident where I had a head injury so I had no memory of what happened. The other party said I caused the accident and it wasn't like I could say your story makes no sense when I had no memory at all. I sure wish I had a video camera in my car and will probably end up purchasing one to protect myself. I got a doorbell camera and I am sooo happy. Everybody in my neighborhood has been forced to purchase an alarm system. They all learned the hard way.
This is something we cannot shut up about!!!!!!! We need to make sure as many people as possible Understand This!! Just understand that this is not a thing that is okay the government can do
I thought the USA was the Land of the Free? But you can't cross the road! Here in the UK, you can cross any road freely, except Motorways. I don't cross the road, looking over my shoulder, I'm looking left and right instead!
I have to agree that this needs more ethics and policy thought. For example, my intuition says that facial recognition is bad, but license plate recognition is good. In part, I know that a license plate recognition pilot program has reduced injuries on Rt 1 through Philadelphia. I don't know of any studies which show concrete benefits from facial recognition. The presenter mentioned reduced property crime from CCTV, but not violent crime. I wonder if that says something about the motivation of property versus violent offenders. Property offenders are probably motivated more logically, and follow a risk/reward curve. Violent offenders could be more emotionally motivated, like "blinded by anger" causing them to ignore the presence of CCTV.
I hate the argument of "if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about". Why would anyone with a tiny bit of intelligence believe that? Not only is it completely false in most situations, it's not even a possibility. Anyone who says that is living the phrase "ignorance is bliss". Doing something "wrong" according to whom? And why do we ever have falsely accused people released from prison? It's a ridiculous argument, don't be silly, of course a person is reasonably justified in worrying about false accusations and malfunctioning tech and various human errors.
The only people who say that are people who expect that it will only affect "those other people."
@@GrantSR True, usually the people who say it think there's actually something wrong with just being "one of those people" as if that alone is illegal and justifies arrest. Sad. But like I said, a tiny bit of intelligence..
@@catserver8577I hate to give Warren Buffet a win ever...
But he said it best. This is all class warfare, and the richest are winning by miles.
It does not take a lack of intellegence, the folks most saying all this crap are saying it because they (at moment at least) still can afford attorny's and to fight, delay, and create a resonable doubt, getting off the hook even when thier DNA is planly present at horrific crime scenes.
Meanwhile they try to pit everyone else against each other, they go out of thier way to support bad faith political actors who imply or flatly state utter falshoods about the human condition, racism, and sexist ideals. And they fund "philososphers" to try and justify all these things whom lash out at any reasonable logical, or ernestly stoic opinion as radical, anti-nationals, whom prop up decades long corperate ad champaigns as if they where ancient traditions, and attack actual ancient culture as devient!
not so that they will win, but so thier voice is heard and divides us.
Yes, I am getting close to politics, but everything is politicial. And if you did not know, I am not speaking about a certin red hatted puppet movemnt that gained its own steam, becoming its own thing.
I am speaking about the John Birch *consperaicy* and its not a theory, it is a self admitted consperaicy to take over the United States and make it a Corptacracy, one that quickly got into bed with the remannets of the North American German Bund... Litterally a German Supremesist NAZI party that attempted to gain control of the US goverment prior to WW2. The two movemnts still march on as one today, using the same tactics Mao and Lennin used to rile up support, and get agents into office.
This is just like letting everyone know where your "address" is and all of your "personal information" on the internet while, Idk, thinking that the since the person legally "can't" do anything they won't.
It's just "stupid," sorry.
These people choose to assume that the government will be on the right side of things. But it's just like that one guy who has pain and ignorance and uses that information to "hurt" you in some way.
My point is the government is "no different." In fact, it's worse. MLK said that groups are usually much more "immoral" than "individuals."
Anyone who believes that has never heard the phrase, “you fit the description”
Face masks are also powerful adversarial fashion. I can also see this impacting our fashion sense as a society. People may become more prone to wearing creative outfits, makeup, and face wear as a means of hiding identity. Costumes could become more normalized in everyday wear.
Multiple good points ☝️
I could see Gen Z rolling with that, certainly (despite what I think is their tendency not to guard their privacy)
Riiiight, let's all go about, wearing Groucho Marx glasses, complete with moustaches & bushy eyebrows. SOunds like agreat solution...mmmmm, no
Hello where have you been these past few years? People already painting their faces wearing masks, changing their sex and names! All in attempts to hide who they really are! Only now they'll be wanting to do it for A different reason other than self denial! Instead it'll be for self preservation!
Many places have anti-mask laws in place--for example, anti-KKK laws from the 19th and 20th centuries. These laws could easily be weaponized against people wearing covid-style masks in public.
Not to mention how face masks help prevent the spread of disease. I haven't had a cold since 2019, and we literally wiped out some flu strands from when people actually took the time to wear masks in public. That was pretty nice!
Like the video said - certain adverserial fashion can disrupt certain systems, but the most certain and universal blocking methods are face masks and umbrellas. I wish, for all these reasons, that face masks were more common today.
Digital privacy needs to be guarenteed because it WILL become a tool of abuse eventually.
It already is, arguably 😢
@@realdreamerschangetheworld7470 It has been for nearly a decade now. Fingerprint scanners, facial recognition on smartphones. Most social media requires you to enter your private information. Why does Facebook need my phone number and real name? It didn't, when i left it 10 years ago.
PBS is pretending that they were our friend all along but (because of Gingrich), PBS is NO better than Fox nor that network with the Trump reality show, nor...
Eventually?
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Total with you and feel that while I leave this comment light heartedly trying to feel better about the dismal surrounds... many people will feel too cynical to care or engage in the topic for this to change like you or I want 😢
This is authoritarian. I once overheard a police officer stating 'there is a charge for everyone'. That should tell you something about the mentality of the system collecting evidence on individuals but also scouring social media to responses to videos etc to find evidence of an attitude towards authority etc.
Mass surveillance is dangerous. If you are erroneously identified you are going to jump through hoops to prove that an error occurred and that is likely to be costly for you to do. I can envision needing a lawyer to fight the bureaucracy that made the error and we know just how difficult that can be.
Assuming one could afford an attorney
The movie Brazil comes to mind.
It happens all the time. A dude who happened to be riding his bike down the street was shown via Google mobile data to have been near a burglary, and he had to prove he was just passing through the area coincidentally. We are constantly generating data that is not protected, and that is easy for us to not notice it's even being generated in the first place. You might think you have nothing to hide, but you probably also don't want to shout from the rooftops that you were (unwittingly) at the scene of a crime and have to spends lots of money on legal fees to prove you didn't do it. It's not like innocent people ever go to jail, right? Right...? Not to mention all the other misuses of personal data.
While I agree. most of that camera ballooning is because people find it's easier to use actual footage of something to fight or prove a case in court...
@@MKisFeelinSpicy Tbf, it can also get you out of a situation. Nothing like footage of you being totally somewhere else to support your alibi when you are accused of something.
I believe someday we will have a strong national privacy law but we’re going to have to fight like hell to persuade legislators to do the right thing.
Where was that sentiment when it came to saying "no" to the Patriot Act? After all, if we believe all that we're told then all the Hijackers died, leaving very few others to round up.
I'm seeing the opposite.... like the EARN IT act.
And you will lose it. Money sadly is at the other side of the arguement. You may vote for someone, but only important thing is who funds that said someone.
@@1DangerMouse1 true but that bill does keep dying each congressional session though.
@@lathrael7152 that way of thinking is for those who give up, I’ll keep fighting while you remain a coward.
I flip off every camera I see looking my way. It's not much, but it's honest work.
i just look at every camera and wave my hand sending a "hi there". imagine everybody doing this. it would had an impact, i guess. constantly reminding them the we know what they are up to and we are not afraid.
@@mikhailmokeev6913 it's a much friendlier version of what I do, lol!
Isn't the real problem that we don't require methods of fixing errors to be just as robust as the tech. When the tech works it's a hero, but we have disjointed processes for fixing errors. We still can't fix errors in credit scores without jumping thru unreal hoops.
"If you can't fix it, don't use it"? That's a very good point...
A couple supermarkets in my country have started using facial recognition cameras, and even more scarily the Westfield malls in my country have started using facial recognition cameras in their standing electronic advertisement boards, meaning if they recognise you and have data on what you buy from either bought information, or purchasing history inside the mall can start pushing advertisements at you, it starts to feel like all those dystopian movies or shows where you're being watched at all times just to sell sell sell.
And you don’t even live in China?
I might see an advertisement about something relevant to my own interests then-?
I will say that the Westfield advertisement boards apparently just do profiling on your looks and age displaying different variance of the same ad depending on who is standing in front of them, but don't allegedly store or correlate the face data to other systems. An article titled "Facial detection used by Westfield malls for targeted advertising" goes into detail on how this system works.
That’s because they downplay invading our privacy only for advertising but ofcourse everybody knows how quick that can go left
Mass surveillance is something I could never fathom in a positive way. There is not the ability to collect that much information about people and prevent any sort of ill use of it.
the one thing that is certain is this tech isn't going away and will only get better. Without strong controls in place, it will be abused. We are seeing this already with the NY attorney barred from an event because her firm was involved in a lawsuit against the venue.
Mass Surveillance is a thing. I used to work in central London and I had to get used to the idea that my mugshot was being taken about 300 times a day. Cameras are everywhere in London. Every shop. Every office. All public transport, including all busses and trains. Every traffic light and road junction. Every Government or public building.
All bars and restaurants. You might be unobserved if you travel via the sewers, but I wouldn't count on it.
Half through my doing self check out at our chain grocery store, a Black man, myself, was flagged as a possible shoplifter and a "courtesy attendant" had to check me out. My photo even came up on the check out screen. There was no problem other than waiting to verify I hadn't stolen anything. None of the other shoppers were so identified and stopped. AI allows the amplification of benefits for some at a cost to others. Former AI developer Cathy O'Neil wrote about this in her book, "Weapons of Math Destruction." My take on this ultimately what happens to the "lowest" rung in society rises up and affects more and more people. Accept the benefits now and the costs will be far worse than imagined later.
I think that our rights, laid out in the constitution, are under constant threat by bad actors or even those who seek to do public good. It’s incumbent on us to let our leaders know when they’ve gone to far and to remove them from office if they don’t pay attention
There is no right, in the constitution, to protect us from cameras or police using them.
The rights many seem to think are being "taken" from them aren't even rights as they think of them.
Pro's and con's there can be pro's but it doesn't matter how many; the con is - it can be abused in a heartbeat. Not just governments also non-governmental hacking etc.
Because the penalty for guilty of abuse is not draconian enough.
I once read about a Londoner who wore IR lights near his face in order to hide from all the cameras in London. The police quickly tracked him down and forced him to remove it.
just consider how many innocent people are already behind bars due to false accusations and were told to make a plea deal because they couldnt afford bail and so they were told even if innocent this was the best route to take. this will just get worse with cameras everywhere that can be abused to show what someone wants shown just to keep the for profit prisons full. there are a ton of people in congress right now on both sides that would gladly abuse the hell out of all of this. it scares me.
the covid masks worked pretty well to block facial recognition.
We can solve this, if we can just all pull together as a team... Which means: We are doomed. We can't pull together for any reason.
The sad truth.
During COVID people objected to writing their names down once entering bars so if a patron came in while sick with COVID the bar could contact the people exposed to this individual. How come there was opposition to that yet not one of them cared about AI technology at the bars doing exactly the same thing, just automatically 🤨
And what about the number of people that post almost their entire lives on social media.
Well because in one of them the media made money off of it. And also writing down a name takes "effort."
@@kellydalstok8900 - happily it seems that trend is dying out. I haven’t had to look at someone’s lunch on FB in quite a while.
Democracy is not the default. Authoritarianism is. We have to root out corruption in politics, and the only way we have to do so, is by voting in every single election at all levels. Research the candidates by looking at their voting records. If we don't all do our part, we will not like what our future becomes.
I'm a fatalist and believe that we are going full speed towards the dystopian future portrayed in sci fi.
Mass surveillance is ALWAYS invasive and a violation of the 4th Amendment.
Take traffic cameras for example. I always stop just far enough into the intersection to trigger the camera.
I haven't run the light, I haven't broken any laws, but I have just cost the city the $ it takes for an Officer to review the footage, this way you reduce the profit motive involved with traffic cams.
Out here doing the lords work
If it ever came to this I'd walk around the rest of my life with an IR beacon on my head blinding every bit of surveillance technology that cared to glance in my direction.
They'll make that a felony in 3... 2... 1...
High powered lasers at night to burn out the camera sensors......😊
We already have cameras at nearly every intersection and every store has those black dots on the ceiling
So booming sales of Guy Fawkes masks…
I always think back to the movie Minority Report when folks kept getting their retinas scanned.
I have a feeling this is inevitable. People will complain on social media, but not act to elect responsible politicians to enact policies that benefit society rather than themselves.
Our vote means NOTHING these days.
Don’t fool yourself into believing you have power.
Yeah, W. Bush screwed us all with dept. of homeland security creation under a "just cause" argument. Then with his 'Patriot Act' & the addons behind it. Don't think its a red or blue, left or right thing, Obama continued the Patriot Act bs (1 of a few things he did that pissed me off, but at least he was wayy better that w. bush).
When the alphabet soup is the law, they have & will continue to operate above it with or without citizen consent or knowledge thereof. The UK was a huge testing ground for cctv recording & outlining legislation.
You can not fool AI twice, you all will bow and obey eventually..
@@ggoddkkiller1342 Never!
so which leaders are promising or even talking about opposing this? The vote it out thing is such a fraud when politicians are paid by corporations.. For that matter democracy in a white majority country on stolen land where you all just genocided the opposing population is a giant lie.
Saying we don’t understand how it detects a nose is like saying we don’t understand how a computer can identify a fingerprint. As a security engineer, facial recognition has a ton of data points that can be analyzed just like if you wanted to know how electronic fingerprint reader can work. I’m not arguing for or against, but I can say these companies use misconceptions about the technology like this to reassure new customers that people simply don’t understand the technology yet and will grow to enjoy to streamlining and safety they bring. That’s all BS but if people say stuff like we don’t know how the machines do it and company easily shows that is not true, that is one of long list of ‘misconceptions’ they use to show their technology is simply misunderstood and if people did they would not see it as big brother. Same goes for government, when people bring arguments that can easily be disproven instead of sticking to the larger systemic issues, it causes more issues and the more a company can show people’s arguments are wrong, the more and more they look like the misunderstood party.
Not mentioned here is all the ways you can be serveilled by things you don't normally consider. Like your cell phone, or your smart TV, or any device connected to the internet in your smart home. And oh yes, even your car is harvesting data about you. I think we're at a point in time similar to the early telephony era. In those days their solution was you had to get a court's approval to tap or use information from voice telephone conversations. We need to scale that protection up to cover all our personal information and activities in the digital sphere. You can't stop the flow but you can require specific approval for each time someone feels the need to use that info. If you can't make the case to a "privacy judge" then that citizen gets to keep his privacy for one more day.
never leaving the house doesn't work for avoiding surveaylence unless you also build your home for avoiding surveilanec. Remember folks, keep your fucking webcam unplugged when not in use.
Having experienced multiple events of identity theft, I am deeply concerned about the use of my image and my name used falsely and have lost much control over my personal information. How can policies be written that will protect people who are on the forward edge of changes from being labeled, as threats rather than being a person who can share advance knowledge? Policy makers need to understand and respond with policies which protect human life and still allow for CHANGES to occur as a part of natural evolution.
Need a rorschach mask that changes colors and shapes.
We all should worry cause IF the AI all of a sudden decided that you are a threat or something or decides that you are a criminal or a terrorist and do on you could be hunted down and arrested for something you've never done
Everyone so outraged with each other these days they’d rather toss away their liberties than let the ppl they hate get away with anything
Security cameras are often sensitive to infrared light, because they often use IR for night vision. This means that having IR LEDs near your face (on a hat, or glasses) makes enough glare that you become unrecognizable.
Cameras saved me from getting fired. Twice. I'm a fan of surveillance cameras. One thing people don't seem to realize is that it takes 8 hours to watch 8 hours of footage. No one is looking at the footage unless something actually happens... except A.I. That can constantly watch you, identify you, track you...
There is a 2008 miniseries, "The Last Enemy", that goes into how a surveillance society can be overbearing and abusive. I recommend it.
Thanks for recommending The Last Enemy.
Never heard of it!
You can not fool AI twice, you all will bow and obey eventually..
It doesn't take 8 hours when an AI is analyzing the feed in real time and flagging timestamps for human review.
@@ldbarthel And why is the AI flagging timestamps in real time? Someone "looks menacing," ie. has resting bitch face? A Black person walked through a predominantly White neighborhood? If something happens, a team of human beings with training can look through the footage taken around the time it happened. AI doesn't need to be involved at all. The only reason AI is being used is for oppression, full stop.
@@ldbarthel That's what I said.
3:04 Haha, more like "I'm sure that person looks familiar... where do I know them from?.. I know I know them but I can't for the life of me remember their name."
The future is looking more and more awful every day. I want to live in the woods away from other people.
_"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."_ - George W. Bush? No, Benjamin Franklin.
Those who are willing to forfeit their liberty are worthless cowards to me.
Most of the laws we have in blue states are not unreasonable, but I worry about the prying eyes of red state governments and what atrocities an “eyes everywhere” Florida or Texas would lead to.
You mean blue states....
Another good reason to wear a mask in public.
Making jaywalking a crime is utterly bonkers. The US is a strange place.
The only people who don't have to be afraid of excessive surveillance are the people who currently agree with everything the government does and will always agree with everything the government does.
And I think I can say with quite a lot of certainty that this kind of human does not exist.
Exactly....
Fight against surveillance ? You didn't even fight against jaywalking.
Adversarial Fashion is a badass name… I feel good about this movement’s chances of catching on 😉
I like how it's kind of psychedelic, too. Definitely making a statement. I was also thinking about certain stripe patterns that appear to move. Those would probably work as well.
they can, i put a QR code on my service dog's vest that leads to a page telling ppl it's crappy to take photos of us without permission.
Awesome! ✊
if you wear that cloth, the teslas will simply drive trough you :D
The author of the book: 1984, George Orwell, is laughing in his grave. Big Brother is indeed watching you!
The technology is not only growing super fast, the profits are growing even faster. The technology companies won’t give that up.
As a disabled lgbtqa+ person who is into activism, yeah I'm against survielance
If any entity, government or corporate, has any personal data from any source, then hackers have it too.
Very complicated issue. On the one hand, constant surveillance by private companies is scary. But CCT cameras help greatly in capturing the Boston Marathon bombers.
The EU has sooooo much better laws to set up guardrails for modern technology. The USA by contrast is in the dark ages.
Didn't you hear? It's doesn't prevent crime at all.
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” Luke 21:36
I'm reminded of that quote from the west wing "privacy will be the great legal issue of the 21 century"
Time to learn contouring and makeup illusions for drivers license photos
What a fascinating episode!
It would be interesting to select a couple of states of varying demographics and have no surveillance allowed for a few years and then compare outcomes with similar states who kept surveillance...as in a controlled social experiment. I think it should apply to private and public spaces. Likewise, I wonder if studies have been made in companies who monitor employees keystrokes, bathroom breaks, and such comparing them to companies who don't. Is there a difference in productivity, profits, employee retention, etc. Too many "great concepts" get instituted, in my opinion, with complete disregard for the scientific method. Thus, policy is made and resources spent based on feelings and fear rather than facts.
An excellent presentation. Only one concern: neural net facial recognition was referred to as "algorithms". They are not, they are heuristics, and it's important: an algorithm by definition gives the correct answer, whereas a heuristic may give the wrong answer (or fail to complete). See the first section of the Wikipedia page on algorithms, for example. It is important to underline (as you did in other ways) that the results of AI-based computation are not guaranteed, and that we have no way to assess how reliable they actually are in any given situation.
Truth! I can't like this enough. It's especially damning that the CEOs/developers are often spouting how great AI will be for the future, we'll all benefit in some miraculous way, it will solve all the world's ills, and we'll all live the utopian dream. No. It will do what they tell it to do, and we plebes who don't understand it will be stuck if we don't put limits on things now.
We need rules &legal limits on this technology like those of the EU & perhaps even stricter controls. And perhaps we need to address homeowner cameras as well - limit to only their property not public streets
Prefect quote she makes at 9:30 in the video..
"Just cause we "CAN" use a prog like this!!"
"DOESN'T mean we "SHOULD" use IT!!"
Cause the whole time I watching this video, the scene from"The Dark Knight" at the end when Samuel L. Jackson says the same thing when Batman turns on the tracking system and leaves because of the ETHICAL and MORALS of it...
Either such clothes will become illegal or, more likely, camera AI software will change to ignore such clothing.
Like they're wearing nothing at all.
We'll evolve to trick the camera into thinking we're someone else, while we look totally normal to a human..
I love this topic, it reminds me of alot of sci fi novels and movies. Large sunglasses and a face mask might work decently in an urban area. I've heard of satellites that can identify someone by the gait of their walk. I believe that's how the government identified bin Laden. Being the tallest person in a group doesn't help much...
I'm doomed. I could do everything else, glasses, dye hair, makeup, clothing, but the way I walk.....🤦
Total surveillance is great as long as everyone has access to it ("Watching the watchers", and all that)
That'd lead to a lot of abusers finding their victims
Access to it doesn't mean power to do something with the information though
Brilliantly exposed thank you it's a balanced and informative video that speaks truth for the common individual
Adversarial methods would only work for so long. The future models will be able to overcome these easily. It's a ever losing arms war that just makes the systems more robust.
Until that system goes down..
I look forward to getting valid effectiveness data from law enforcement. My experience has been that they are often very leery of working with or giving data to scientists to evaluate their programs and practices. I had hoped that the financial incentives and avoiding consequences of ineffective strategies would be motivating, but there's a trust barrier.
Ask Edward Snowden. Oh I forgot, he is in exile.
Or Julian Assange being "tortured" by our federal government.
The majority of people are law-abiding so why do you have to track their every move that's why video surveillance should not be allowed
i just look at every camera and wave my hand sending a "hi there". Imagine everybody doing this. It would had an impact, i guess. Constantly reminding "the rich men north of Richmond" that we know what they are up to and we are not afraid.
"The rich men north of Richmond" are not looking at the camera - the cops in your town are. Your senators do not give a shit about you or what you do with your life, because they can scare you into keeping cops around to oppress you.
Would a good place to start in terms of law regarding Mass surveillance be to make surveillance useful for investigation purposes but not admissible in court? EG surveillance can help police determine who to question and then they have to compile further evidence for being able to admit in court such as phone records etc.
You're delusional if you think the authorities care about any of you. It's literally only to control your speech and what you do. If you go against what they want, you are done. That is literally all this is about. It's always been about having the power over you and keeping it.
Yes! I was waiting for 5:25! Gotta effect the policies and laws!
You didn't even mention network connected EV cars and how car companies have the ability to collect all of the video out of all of the cameras on network connected cars. There are about 9 camera's on the new EV cars. All of that data can go to the car company and eventually to the government.
no matter how many laws are made to protect our privacy, they will do it anyway, its too cheap and easy not too
And they are tracking who purchases those clothes. Welcome to the Darkest Timeline!
Not if you get them at the local thrift shop or Nana's closet! ✊
Voting matters. Elections matter.
Anyone claiming that "Republicans and Democrats are the same" HAS NOT researched what Republican appointed Judges have done FOR corporations at our expense
Thank you for this. This is a serious issue. We need to call out terrible dictatorship dystopias like China and recognize that is not the future we really want.
1984 is just running a little behind
it's about control .
Great, just watched RABBIT HOLE with Kiefer Southerland...now I'm scared. Big brother is evil
You're gonna wanna read up on cyberpunk, boys and girls.
Security cameras are mostly there to provide footage for more or less funny youtube videos. Imagine all those "content creators" going out of business... Our economy needs these cameras.
This was such an insightful video on surveillance, thank you!
big brother is a problem and everyone is at risk
Jaywalking laws are the most insane and draconian law. Walkers should always have priority over cars, they aren't protected from the elements or sitting on their arses. It's draconian and selfish, it also encourages driving instead of walking which is bad for physical health, pollution and the environment.
If it's in an antisocial situation with fast traffic then oh well the walker is being an idiot and will get run over. If you're wasting money on surveillance noone wants, put those camera's to use spotting people making insurance scams or vandalising things. Why would you even need a rule to stop people walking into certain death? It's kakistocracy.
Not surprised though: Draconian kakistocracy = America ('many guns' does not equal liberty as the US propaganda machine would like you to think).
Anyone else memorized by the lights in the background?
I can't believe that neither the video or any commenters has referenced William Gibson, and his "Ugliest T-Shirt in the World." Which is a shirt exactly for this purpose.
* deep sigh * We're already being surveilled. Just check your texts!
It's probably already happening, but Homeland is not telling you and using the Patriot Act as legal basis.
Necromancer is becoming the Cyberpunk reality no one wanted. There is no good outcome for this tech.
6:11 so was that a good or bad use of facial recognition?
Are they going to use it do improve the lives of everyone on an individual level?
*Or are they going to use it for profit* being able to just slip some cheeky fines in on everyone?
If it is the latter, then in the words of Hubert j Farnsworth... "I don't wanna live on this planet anymore"
8:09 and a little back:
13% reduction in crime, where does the data come from, and is that because there are less criminals, same amount but less frequency, or because police deem the area green due to CCTV and don't report crime.
Maybe Europe would be a better leader for US than Congress. I think government is more interested in pleasing business than doing their best for US.
I will be wearing burkas all the time outside.
Lol the cultures in the Middle East are ahead of their times :-) With women being most "protected."
@@Victor-tl4dk 😁🤣 maybe we could weak the burkiny in the summer.
Based on the number of stories I have been reading on TH-cam those CCTV cameras are essential for getting people to stop lying when the police come and often Karens are the ones who call the police. Karens who attack in stores immediately tell the police they have been attacked (even sexual assault) even though they threw cans at people or stole a wheel chair after throwing someone out of it. Without those cameras they would never get prosecuted. Also some people don't even have to go to court to prosecute. After the Karens attack minors thinking they are employees the police just take the camera recording to court and save everybody a lot of time. Based on everything I am seeing more apartment buildings need to have these cameras to protect the tenants from being attacked or robbed (drug dealing is also prevalent). Apparently Vegas does not have cameras in the hotel hallways and the people who steal and break into rooms while they are occupied know this and take advantage of that fact. I would appreciate a camera in the hallway for my safety. A lot of people have been saved by having a camera and voice recording made while in their cars. Sometimes it has actually protected them from police who lie. I was in a car accident where I had a head injury so I had no memory of what happened. The other party said I caused the accident and it wasn't like I could say your story makes no sense when I had no memory at all. I sure wish I had a video camera in my car and will probably end up purchasing one to protect myself. I got a doorbell camera and I am sooo happy. Everybody in my neighborhood has been forced to purchase an alarm system. They all learned the hard way.
I wear a tin foil hat all the time so I have no worries.
This is something we cannot shut up about!!!!!!!
We need to make sure as many people as possible Understand This!! Just understand that this is not a thing that is okay the government can do
I thought the USA was the Land of the Free? But you can't cross the road!
Here in the UK, you can cross any road freely, except Motorways. I don't cross the road, looking over my shoulder, I'm looking left and right instead!
I have to agree that this needs more ethics and policy thought. For example, my intuition says that facial recognition is bad, but license plate recognition is good. In part, I know that a license plate recognition pilot program has reduced injuries on Rt 1 through Philadelphia. I don't know of any studies which show concrete benefits from facial recognition.
The presenter mentioned reduced property crime from CCTV, but not violent crime. I wonder if that says something about the motivation of property versus violent offenders. Property offenders are probably motivated more logically, and follow a risk/reward curve. Violent offenders could be more emotionally motivated, like "blinded by anger" causing them to ignore the presence of CCTV.
You can not fool AI twice, you all will bow and obey eventually..