So, What's the Deal With YORUICHI'S CAT FORMS? Kubo Talks, We Speculate! | Bleach Discussion

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    In a recent Klub Outside Q&A, Kubo gave the tiniest of morsels about Yoruichi's mysterious feline form from the Soul Society Arc! So naturally, it seemed like a good opportunity to speculate and discuss her transformations, from the black cat, to the electric cat of TYBW! This is mostly a speculative discussion, but it was fun regardless!
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  • @MrTommo2304
    @MrTommo2304  ปีที่แล้ว +85

    Why is Yoruichi (and other Shihoin family members) able to become a cat? How does it tie into her TYBW Shunko form? Let me know your thoughts down below!

    • @LeonRedfields
      @LeonRedfields ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Because cat girls are hot, duh.

    • @IppoX90
      @IppoX90 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I never questioned it really. Nor even thought would there be connection until you brought that up.

    • @kevinsylves9279
      @kevinsylves9279 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Maybe the clan is apart of the beast clan🐈‍⬛🦁🐯

    • @seankelly6620
      @seankelly6620 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maybe it's a matter of mastering her feline instincts. She is a Noble and I'd imagine that she had to maintain some level of self control especially if it is a known factor amongst her family. Basically she had to master her feline form like Beast Boy from DC comics does with his transformation, the final form is her removing the delay of pushing aside her feline mannerisms and let everything flow.

    • @DenizenoftheAges
      @DenizenoftheAges ปีที่แล้ว +2

      😻😹 I still call "fanservice" and that alone.

  • @beecees410
    @beecees410 ปีที่แล้ว +380

    Hearing Kubo say "beast" instead of specifically say "Cat" makes me wonder if other animals would be available to the Shihion family

    • @sha_0_rkie337
      @sha_0_rkie337 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      I’m sure there are, there’s lots of different animals that are "stealthy", such as snakes or owls

    • @Zephyr2z
      @Zephyr2z ปีที่แล้ว +8

      thats something that makes the yu yu theory interesting. I cant wait for the hell arc

    • @kevintruant7160
      @kevintruant7160 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@sha_0_rkie337 I’d love to see a Shinigami from the shihion family that could have owl related abilities. They are the apex predators of the night

    • @donjulio1033
      @donjulio1033 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ​@@kevintruant7160Owl abilities and a Tosen type Bankai to make an area completely dark would be solid

    • @terrytarot
      @terrytarot ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed

  • @manuelacosta9463
    @manuelacosta9463 ปีที่แล้ว +178

    Her initial cat form fits with her love of personal freedom, undoubtedly she used her stealth kitty to occasionally sneak away from the suffocating noble politics alongside their power tripping paranoia. And it helps her fit in and disappear into the human world perfectly, who'd suspect that cute kitty you give milk to is the formidable ex captain of Gotei 13's Stealth Force? Ironic that the other gives her lethal power yet robs her personal autonomy and control.

    • @shido_rimru_
      @shido_rimru_ ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Headcanon never stated

    • @fucku9849
      @fucku9849 ปีที่แล้ว

      What's headcannon? Just because something it's not stated doesn't make it headcannon you wimp

  • @ML1399TheyStoleMyName
    @ML1399TheyStoleMyName ปีที่แล้ว +66

    Based on the fact that Kisuke can trigger her lightning cat form without her knowledge or consent, and that it seems to be a perfect blend of her natural cat form and her shunko, I think that that state is something that Kisuke may have created and imbued Yoruichi with. Knowing Kisuke, he probably did so without asking or even telling her about it until he had already given it to her

    • @manuelacosta9463
      @manuelacosta9463 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      True. That might also explain why she occasionally kept her distance from him. Their relationship is quite interesting, they help save the worlds and MIGHT have been more than friends and yet there's some toxicity to it especially on Kisuke's part.

  • @xXGen3sisXx
    @xXGen3sisXx ปีที่แล้ว +116

    Hope Yoruichi gets more scenes in the anime !! She's one of my favorite characters and she's simply awesome.

    • @shuttzi9878
      @shuttzi9878 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What kind of scenes are we talking about?😏

    • @mikehazel9991
      @mikehazel9991 ปีที่แล้ว

      LOL you think she's hot

  • @ivanbackfromthecardshop8093
    @ivanbackfromthecardshop8093 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    Honestly the only thing i can imagine is that its supposed to in some relationship to the dog clan. My guess was that these animal clans were originally meant to be spotlighted more as the animal realm is like the only buddist realm the series doesnt refference but ended up being cut for not actually being that important

    • @WaterKirby1994
      @WaterKirby1994 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I thought The World of the Living was the Animal & Human Realm as they are said to overlap in Buddhism. Hueco Mundo = Preta Realm, Hell may be based on Naraka Realms although we can't say for certain. Were Shinigami Deva or Asura with the other being Quincy?

    • @ivanbackfromthecardshop8093
      @ivanbackfromthecardshop8093 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WaterKirby1994 thats possible but that just leaves the weird animal people as completely random so i prefer to think thats what its refferencing instead

    • @WaterKirby1994
      @WaterKirby1994 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ivanbackfromthecardshop8093 We see Hybrids between other existences. Arrancar are Hollows who become more like Shinigami. Why couldn't animal people be a similar case? Ichigo is special being Human, Hollow, Shinigami, & Quincy combined.
      Bleach races is complicated you have the Fullbringers who are special humans. I'm not even going to try to explain Bount. Quincy were originally implied to be a clan similar to Fullbringers until we learned just how different they were during the Blood War. The Wiki doesn't even list animals as a race for some reason.

    • @resurgingflame
      @resurgingflame ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@WaterKirby1994 I don't think Bount is canon.....

    • @WaterKirby1994
      @WaterKirby1994 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@resurgingflame Bount Arc was treated as canon in Early Arrancar Arc Anime. Their Semicanon Status is why I mentioned them yet don't want to discuss them equally with the races appearing in the manga. Remember the Shrieker Episode with the Parakeet? Does that relate to animal souls?

  • @Cat_Sidhe
    @Cat_Sidhe ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I actually assumed it was a common thought that it had to do with her family rather than anything else. The thing about Kubo's comment that strikes me as the most important is that he didn't specify that they turn into cats just that they turn into beasts.

  • @thanatoskw8285
    @thanatoskw8285 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    Isn’t it obvious who/what Yoruichi is? Her skin tone, her elemental cat form? She’s a hidden cloud ninja that became the jinchuriki of the 2-tails and then fled the village. That’s why her fighting style is so taijutsu-focused.

  • @justinedwards5047
    @justinedwards5047 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I think shunko is shaped by the soul of the individual using it, similar to how a zanpakto takes on it's form based off the soul of it's holder. We know different users get different elements (Yoruichi is lightning, her brother is fire, Soifon is wind) I think the basic forms are accessible to anyone but the advanced forms are unique to the individual. Soi Fon's infinite form looked like butterfly wings, similar to the marks from her zanpakto, Yoruichi's instead got thunder drums.

    • @YamiYaiba
      @YamiYaiba 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I agree. Yoruichi's berserk cat form is essentially the mixing of her Shunko and her beast transformation. It is, in essence, the beast transformation being expressed through Shunko.

  • @jrgenvellesen7800
    @jrgenvellesen7800 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Knowing that it's a hereditary thing, and the fact that Sajin's clan are beasts because it was meant to be a punishment...it makes me wonder if this is the Shihoin clan's punishment for their role in the creation of the Soul King. Regardless, it is interesting stuff, neat that Kubo has given more and more examples that the Noble families have unique powers/weapons.

  • @krissjames7276
    @krissjames7276 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I definitely think Yoruichi's personality is the behind her being able to take the form of a cat specifically, seeing how Kubo only talked about a "beast" transformation. Interestingly, the Beast Titan shifters in Attack on Titan operate exactly like this, with each Titan Shifter inheriting this specific Titan being able to transform into a different beast reflective of his or her personality, talents, affinities etc.

  • @OG_DSB
    @OG_DSB ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I love that it’s unique to her noble Shihouin bloodline. Making the noble houses stand out from the rest is a cool idea. Of course there is also Komamura’s clan.

  • @joezavcer
    @joezavcer ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I always took Yoruichi as Egyptian since cats were the keepers of the dead. Which go hand in hand with soul reaper.

  • @varsoonhks3211
    @varsoonhks3211 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I always took it as a means for her to stealthily move between the different worlds because she's still able to go to the Soul Society while Urahara isn't.
    It's just a thing she can do.

  • @5_tokki
    @5_tokki ปีที่แล้ว +15

    In the previous Q&A, Kubo said that Yoruichi developed this technique. Probably some of their clan members has beast form, and Yoruichi trained to transform into 100% animal

  • @randallellison6421
    @randallellison6421 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Yoruichi is definitely one of the most unique characters in Bleach, if not all of manga/anime! It would be awesome if Kubo were to go deeper into her lineage and we get more backstory on her family!

    • @med993
      @med993 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      if we get a hell arc i’m sure we will!!! there’s a shihoin captain in the original gotei 13

  • @Joe___R
    @Joe___R ปีที่แล้ว +7

    My theory about how she was forced into that form is by removing a seal that blocks off that power. She most likely has kept it sealed off so she doesn't accidentally transform into just because she is mad since she doesn't have full control over it. It is likely sealed off on the ones in her family who inherit the ability to transform into a beast as soon as it is known to protect everyone. She may have never been able to fully control that form so she hasn't used it out of fear. That sticker he removed is likely something he used to try and help her train with that power and allow her to not have to constantly focus on keeping it sealed.

    • @gammafrost
      @gammafrost ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m assuming by the time we get to the hell arc and she eventually faces her ancestor, she would have mastered that form with her mind intact.

    • @med993
      @med993 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gammafrost I LOVE THAT FIGHT SET UP!! couldn’t have said it better myself

  • @juhosaarelainen5953
    @juhosaarelainen5953 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    So could some of the Shihoin clan members be in the world of the living as dogs cats birds and so on? It would be exctremely cool to see that happen in the hell arc if we ever get it

    • @manuelacosta9463
      @manuelacosta9463 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Would not be surprised. Many are certainly strict traditionalists but I'm sure there are a few free spirited rebels who decided noble life and it's dangers is not for them and live in exile. I'm sure it applies to those who don't want to be part of the family business or they fail at it.

  • @Xzavionsimmons420
    @Xzavionsimmons420 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I been waiting for this explanation for literally 10+ years

  • @skippi99r32
    @skippi99r32 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    If some shihouins can turn into animals, would they be somehow related to the beast clan? Could yoruichi and komamura be very distant cousins?

    • @akumafumetsu5575
      @akumafumetsu5575 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      What would be if a shihoin had a child with someone from the beast clan? What will the child be?

    • @wdadwdwdwadw8604
      @wdadwdwdwadw8604 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Komamura is more akin to Inuyasha which is a Dog Family while Yorouchi is from a Cat Family
      the difference here is that Komamura is likely direct descendent of a Demon while Yorouchi is likely her ancestor thus only certain individual who have high purity blood can transform like her/Captain level+.
      we have seen Komamura direct senior and he is 100% Beast while Komamura is more akin to a Half Beast and Half Human.

    • @kevintruant7160
      @kevintruant7160 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      ⁠@@wdadwdwdwadw8604 I like your train of thought but the animal appearance of Komamura is linked to a curse put on his clan, not because he descended from a demon

    • @madhatter3971
      @madhatter3971 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@wdadwdwdwadw8604 Sajin's clan was punished for the creation of the soul king. And their is no 100% beast on sajin's clan. They are like werewolf but reverse.

    • @phuayizhong7890
      @phuayizhong7890 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@madhatter3971 sajin learns his humanification technique from his grandpa, who quite literally is a dog

  • @Atomsk2
    @Atomsk2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    There’s no reason to suspect that the Shunko isn’t special to her bloodline. She’s part of a group of long standing noble blood, her ancestors very well could have invented the Shunko technique to work in combination with their bloodline transformation. As a added benefit of the technique other people can also learn it.
    And I originally thought the Shihoin had a beast clan ancestor somewhere waaaaaay back once we found out about best doggo. The thought has only become more solid with Kubo saying it’s a bloodline thing now

  • @phonyalias7574
    @phonyalias7574 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Back in the day, since she didn't have a Zanpakto, I always liked to think that this was related to it. Her Shikai was her having an agile/cat like move set, while her Bankai was full cat. As the story progressed, especially with the novels it became clear that wasn't the case, but it always made more sense to me (until it was shown to not be the case) than it being some sort of special genetic ability.

  • @masterstyx2877
    @masterstyx2877 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    A part of me does think this could tie in to the mystery of yoruichis zanpakuto, like what if all the shihoin that do have a beast that they're apparently born with take the place of their zanpakuto? granting the abilities like yoruichi but making it so their zanpakuto is basically inert because their inner spirit is just a feral animal

  • @Serkilo
    @Serkilo ปีที่แล้ว +4

    MrTommo when are you going to talk about Tatsuki and Keigo, Ichigo's best friends. 2 nice characters 😊

  • @destructivecriticism3734
    @destructivecriticism3734 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think as a passed down trait it makes some amount of sense as far as spying/espionage purposes go. I can appreciate it for what it is, although I was secretly hoping it was something Urahara had come up with.

  • @sacredgear
    @sacredgear ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think it’s a simple as Kubo had one idea for the character at the start of series but decided to go in a different direction as series progressed and gained popularity

  • @starblade876
    @starblade876 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A way easier explanation would've been that it was just her gigai. Since it's apparently not, to go into it further, the form seemingly behaves like a Reiatsu Concealing Gigai, perhaps even the source of inspiration and examination that Kisuke used for his invention that he used to hide himself, Tessai, and the Visoreds

  • @meatkirbo
    @meatkirbo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’d have to look into the exact details to be completely sure, but it may be her soul reaper skills and Shihoin blood clashing, causing a similar kind of “Rage Mode” to Ichigo’s hollowfications. And she may have been working together with Kisuke to develop it

  • @jonnymohawk
    @jonnymohawk ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That panel at 3:00 is bout to make act up! Damn.

  • @recon12100
    @recon12100 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Kubo answered a similar question a while ago stating Yoruichi invented the technique to turn into a cat to actually sneak out of the house lol

  • @animanco6833
    @animanco6833 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Ah yes just one of the things that Kubo forgot about and never later in the story.
    Could it be related to her zanpukto ability

    • @jimbo7551
      @jimbo7551 ปีที่แล้ว

      don’t think we’ll ever see yoruichi’s zanpakuto

    • @varsoonhks3211
      @varsoonhks3211 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      When an author doesn't explain every literal thing in their world, it doesn't mean they forgot. They just don't need to waste time on the page.

    • @jimbo7551
      @jimbo7551 ปีที่แล้ว

      for an ex soul reaper captain never using their zanpakuto on page not even once seems kinda contrary

  • @R_SENAL
    @R_SENAL ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Given her cat nature/curse then I wonder if her Bankai ties into it too. Given that it is supposedly not useful for combat it really makes me wonder. Maybe her zanpakuto is a grooming brush and her bankai is a restorative sleep that heals all her wounds and lengthens her lifespan? 😅

  • @toshiro-kano
    @toshiro-kano ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Yoruichi is first and foremost a fan service character (sadly). I think when Kubo first made her it probably just played into her theme. She's cat like and "cat girls" are popular and the form allowed her to stay on the run easier. I really doubt Kubo thought any further than that.
    Later of course he created the other shihoin characters like the captain in the first gotei 13 and decided to slap it on as a family ability. Why not? It just allows for more possibilities with future writing.

    • @vileluca
      @vileluca ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Nah.

    • @protectedsouls415
      @protectedsouls415 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      & with God of thunder Kubo pretty much stamped again that's what she is first n foremost which is kinda unfortunate but ya

    • @zigazdovc6175
      @zigazdovc6175 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Completely wrong lol, Kubo is not Mashima.

    • @micah459
      @micah459 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      To be fair, almost every female has fanservice in Bleach. Yoruichi just has more because of her cat form. I do wish she did more fighting because I feel like most things people talk about when regarding her has to do with fanservice, not how badass she is

    • @toshiro-kano
      @toshiro-kano ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@micah459 compared to the other girls that get a lot of screen time (mostly orihime for example) she plays a relatively small role. She trains Ichigo in SS arc (and even her role in that really wasn't that important) and then she's basically pointless the rest of the series. But yeah fanservice stuff is unavoidable. Especially in today's anime/manga where it's far more prevalent and focused on than ever.

  • @Rhekon
    @Rhekon ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love that answer! There should be more beast soul hybrids instead of just maybe 3 from soul society

  • @NeroPiroman
    @NeroPiroman ปีที่แล้ว +2

    even if the new caracther from hell chapter isnt her daughter, she could be her relative, which would explain the apearence similarity as well as the bear power

    • @AJ-kt5zo
      @AJ-kt5zo ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can roast me for saying this but it be nice if kisake and Yurioche had child so that power and lineage can be passed on to had to your point.

    • @NeroPiroman
      @NeroPiroman ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AJ-kt5zo it would but the child would hsve to be younger, the end of typw is 12 years before the curent point in the story, unless they had a child earlier in secret, but that would be a big strech

    • @AJ-kt5zo
      @AJ-kt5zo ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@NeroPiroman O I was just saying in general I wish they had a child to pass their power and lineage on to not saying she their child .

  • @iReiGNxx
    @iReiGNxx ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So basically the Shihouin clan can become beasts and Yoruichi is a master of Shunko. The lightning cat form is a mixture of both that Urahara may have helped Yoruichi achieve, which is why he knows how to trigger it and can even do so against her will.

  • @fenrirsilver6441
    @fenrirsilver6441 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Due to the fact that much of Bleach specifically is inspired off of the path of Samsara in Buddhist/Hindu beliefs, with the "6 realms". While in recent years it has been debated more which realms represent what, because of the lore involving "Hell" in bleach that we have been presented with(at this point in time), what can be undeniable is that the one realm we have seen the least of is that of the "Animal Realm" or that of the "beasts". Kubo's wordage here for the Shihoin's is matched by the same way he spoke of Komamura, both are said as "Beasts" and I think that shows. I can't think of any point in time the Animals or Beasts have been truly talked about in Bleach. There may be something in Burn the Witch with the dragons, but haven't watched or read enough of that to say either way, or nessisarily if the dragons are closer to hollows or something else. While we probably know only slightly more about Hell, it just hasn't had any presence at all in the anime or the original bleach outside of that movie and a part in the very first arc of bleach. So, the only realm which comes close in obscurity is that of the Silbern and the "Royal Realm", which outside of a little bit we mostly just know that as where the Quincies were based and a few other tidbits, yet this is also the realm which typically gets conflated with the Asura Realm(for good reason from the identity fo the Quincies themselves). To continue on with this thought we conventionally see the Soul Soceity as the Deva and Hueco Mundo as the Hungry Ghosts, and obvious earth is that of humans. While the cosmology of Bleach is very much its own thing, there are parallels here, but Beasts just haven't really been shown, but now apparently we not only have Komamura but also Yoruichi, because of how Kubo is wording things, this is interesting.

    • @WaterKirby1994
      @WaterKirby1994 ปีที่แล้ว

      In the Samsara the Animals live among at least humans being separated by mind rather than space. They probably don't get their own world. Schatten Bereich or the Shadow Realm is part of Soul Society where the Sternritters hid which is similar to the Asura & Deva warring & living on the same level of existence.

    • @fenrirsilver6441
      @fenrirsilver6441 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WaterKirby1994 that could make sense

  • @nodatastored684
    @nodatastored684 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Lol, Byakuya thought he found a talking cat in Hanging Dog lol 😂😂😂😂😂
    I believe Chika Shihoin taught her after faking his death .... Which is why Yamamoto commented on how he thought Yoruichi was dead once. It's how she was able to sneak around soul society

  • @A_Bottle-Of_Orange_Crush
    @A_Bottle-Of_Orange_Crush ปีที่แล้ว +2

    All I know is that lightning bikini catgirl form launched her up the waifu ladder faster than any flash step.

  • @vileluca
    @vileluca ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I dunno what the deal is but I need to see more of them.
    Much more.

  • @muhammadabdel1201
    @muhammadabdel1201 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If I had to guess, Chika Shihōin can turn into a panther.

  • @NeufAtora
    @NeufAtora ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Since you're almost at 200k subs, are you planning on doing another Q&A?

  • @Rith9789
    @Rith9789 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I legit think it's just Kubo watching Sailor Moon, and was like I need that.

  • @Mori-Jin
    @Mori-Jin ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very Important question.

  • @amadhatter3280
    @amadhatter3280 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    In regard to Shunkō being need for Yoruichi to access her -fan service- Lightning Cat form, my theory is that Shunkō must of been created by the Shihōin clan in the first place. Evidence:
    1) Shunkō is (like you said) a hand to hand based technique, hand to hand is the specialty of the Stealth Force.
    2) The Shihōin clan has filled the role of Commander-in-Chief of the Stealth Force, this has been a tradition for generations which we learn during Suì-Fēng backstory.
    3) The Stealth Force wasn't offically apart of the Gotei 13 until Yoruichi took over the Stealth Force as Commander-in-Chief while serving as captain of Squad 2. In order for the Stealth Force to comepete with Shinigami the Commander-in-Chief would likely be required to learn Shunkō to keep up with the Captain class Shinigami. (This would also mean Yoruichi was likely the first Shihōin to attain Ban-Kai in a while).
    4) Both Yoruichi & her brother Yūshirō known Shunkō which means it was likely taught to them by their parent(s) in order for one of them to take over the Stealth Force.
    5) We know Suì-Fēng didn't learn it from a textbook she made it up & didn't know it was a thing. This would make sense since Noble Families tend to keep knowledge to themselves (like Lightning Bending from Avatar: The Last Air Bender was keep within the Fire Nations Royal Family). This would make sense since even a captain like Suì-Fēng didn't know about it, so its likely a secret to the Shihōin's.
    6) The Stealth Force uniform is designed with Shunkō in mind, again the Stealth Force until Suì-Fēng was under the control of the Shihōin clan.
    etc... You get the idea.

    • @yariva6141
      @yariva6141 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm pretty sure that Yoruichi herself stated that she founded Shunko. This unfortunately cripples the majority of your argument

    • @amadhatter3280
      @amadhatter3280 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@yariva6141 Did she I don't remember that, do you happen to remember where she said that?

    • @yariva6141
      @yariva6141 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@amadhatter3280 Should've been in her fight with Soifon

    • @hadiyazid
      @hadiyazid 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I believe she never said she invented Shunko, simply she said the technique Soifon claimed to inventing it actually has already been named.

  • @user-kn2uo5be2t
    @user-kn2uo5be2t ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It was the 2nd thematic intro (so not canonical) but nevertheless as a thought exercise, it was interesting seeing cat form yourichi break off soi fongs sword. This probably isnt reliable considering she struggled even in human form, but it does make you wonder to what extent her abilities are compromised as a cat.

  • @andyzhang7890
    @andyzhang7890 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Idc Kubo was cookin

  • @damonlaplace
    @damonlaplace ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bleach plays around with the concept in Chinese mythology of "higher" (shinigami) and "lower" (Hollow) souls as the two components of living humans that split on death. The lower soul (Po) is also called the "Animal Soul" because the higher soul is the seat of reason and virtue, and without it the lower soul is just a beast. My guess is both Yoruichi and Komamura's power comes from (re-)incorporating their lower soul, and their TYBW transformations are something akin to Hollowification/Resurrecion, which would explain why Kisuke specifically knows how to involuntarily induce them. (And also why Yoruichi wouldn't want him to, if her Thunder Goddess form is similar to the Full Hollow form Ichigo experienced fighting Ulquiorra.)
    No real evidence for this, mind, it just fits the mythology Kubo's drawing upon, in my opinion. As far as the incorporation of Shunko, I'd file that under "things Kisuke will come up with in his basement if you leave him alone for too long", it really isn't a good idea to let that guy experiment on you.

  • @loganhayse8771
    @loganhayse8771 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My guess is that those who have been or come from the Beast Realm of Buddhist reincarnation may have leftover features or abilities they can use or access. Komamura's clan is not as adept or adjusted as the Shihoin clan and thus are in a mixed state between wolf and man vs Shihoin are masters at it and retain very little animal traits (their eyes are still cat like as well as their silent approach and nimbleness).

  • @nerdragon2649
    @nerdragon2649 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There's a curious thing here, since in another Klub Outside answer (#331, more specifically), Kubo answers pretty much the same question by saying that Yoruichi's cat transformation was something she herself created in order to sneak out of her clan's manor grounds whenever she pleased. It's nice to ponder how we can fit both answers together and how they work out with one another... or if it's simply an oversight by Kubo lol.

  • @Eli.D2
    @Eli.D2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love watching your videos, I always learn something from them, and your charismatic attitude brightens my day. Keep up the good work, MrTommo

  • @animegamer262447
    @animegamer262447 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It could be a stress related transformation.
    Like Ichigo's Horn of Salvation.
    They both needed to be pushed a little to get their power flowing.

    • @bc1176
      @bc1176 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ichigo can just do the horn of salvation at any time. He dkesnt really need to be stressed to focus for it

    • @animegamer262447
      @animegamer262447 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bc1176 homie literally said he needs help waking the Hollow powers up. I'm not saying that he needs to crap his pants. He just needs a push start.

  • @barrettturner9443
    @barrettturner9443 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think this form comes from Chika and in his tenure as the first captain of squad 2 he developed this ability and passed it on to his descendants or something like that.

  • @HOLLAifYouFEARme
    @HOLLAifYouFEARme ปีที่แล้ว +2

    07:22 KON!

  • @aaronvt9980
    @aaronvt9980 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Kisuke: Hey, i think i figured out a way to make you stronger and give you an advantage on stealth missions.
    Yoruichi: ...go on.
    One botched experiment later...
    Yoruichi: That is the last time I help with your experiments.
    That's how i figured things happened. Oh well.

  • @LeoLikesLamb
    @LeoLikesLamb ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your videos butter My biscuits thank you

  • @dberry0390
    @dberry0390 ปีที่แล้ว

    I believe Yoruichi's thundercat form is something she created, most likely with the help of Kisuke, like how he created the 3-day bankai training. And seeing as she never used it in their battle with Aizen, it's also likely they created it during the time Ichigo lost his powers.

  • @obrians-brown1307
    @obrians-brown1307 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i like to think the Shiouin captain from the first generation of the Gotei 13 could turn into a Black Panther or Jaguar

  • @marcosagrero2866
    @marcosagrero2866 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    You're the king of thumbnails brother

  • @Furious_Flano
    @Furious_Flano ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Could be the result of actually passing the ritual that Komamura of the original person of said family and the transformation ability would pass down to a specific descendant that would’ve become said beast for x reason

  • @theoneandonlyguyallikian1190
    @theoneandonlyguyallikian1190 ปีที่แล้ว

    I never know how far ahead you have thought of ideas for uploads,
    But one thing I would love your opinion on at some point (and I'm sure you've thought about since its one of your favorites) is who all could Komamura beat with Dangai Joe, and who all would he still lose to?
    Zaraki? Unohana? Yamamoto? Shunsui? Ichibe? Aizen? Yhwach?
    Any other Sternritter, Espada, etc..?
    I doubt you'll see this, but I'd love to know.

  • @Gennys
    @Gennys ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have felt since that new show that he made came out that she was the only shinigami that had actual magic like wizard and witch magic.

    • @Gennys
      @Gennys ปีที่แล้ว +1

      She was a witch and what is more synonymous with witches than pointy hats and black cats.

  • @rmeddy
    @rmeddy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Linking her to Beast Realm stuff make that's whole situation more interesting.

  • @Chip_Gardener
    @Chip_Gardener ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I always assumed this was a power of her zanpakuto.

  • @kitano8025
    @kitano8025 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Maybe there is a deeper lore to it. Notice how most of the Arrancars were based off of animals. Perhaps most souls take the shape of an animal and only Hollows and certain bloodlines can tap into it. Even Tousen who was a regular Soul Reaper took on the form of a cricket after undergoing complete Hollowfication. It's likely all just a big coincidence tho.

  • @ProfessM
    @ProfessM ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I had always banked on it being kinda joke from Kisuke. Teasing his childhood friend about her cat like nature so he pranks her by using a potion to turn her into a cat. But jokes on him she got a laugh out of it and forced him to not only let her do it on command but give her a different voice to then further prank others. But sure rare blood line thing is cool....I guess.
    Never thought she was Kisuke and Yoruichi's kid and I ship them like crazy. Though I did always see them having a daughter.

  • @VenomPureEvil
    @VenomPureEvil ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It would have been cool if she would have passed on shunko to ichigo when she was training him or at least taught him the basics without necessarily telling him to see if he would get there on his own

    • @joshuawilliams4314
      @joshuawilliams4314 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He wouldn’t be able too learn it as it’s about control which he sucks at

  • @femthingevelyn
    @femthingevelyn ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Its possible the shihouin clan might be related to the beast clans, same as Komamura. Maybe the curse of Komamura's clan isnt the beastly nature, but the lack of control over the form, and the Shihoin clan split off before that curse.
    I think shunko might have been designed to mimic the power of that electric cat form. Kind of like how theres The Getsuga Tensho, and then theres using your sword to toss out a wave of spiritual pressure. Yoruichi invented shunko, so Shunko might be a way to tap into the same kind of power as the Thundercatgirl form without losing her mind, using her knowledge of kido and hakuda which, qs it happens, can be used by everyone else.

  • @TheBigP305
    @TheBigP305 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yoruichi is my favorite anime/manga character of all time, besides maybe franky from OP
    I’m getting a tattoo of the thunder god panel soon too ☠️

  • @topcat59
    @topcat59 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great vid bro.😺

  • @goatkiller666
    @goatkiller666 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A. Ichigo's shinigami family had Getsuga Tensho as a power that got passed on. We know his father had it, and I think I heard that at least one other also could. So it makes sense that she also could have a family power. If so, I'd guess that the power is specific to the black cat form for all of them.
    B. The Beast Clan pass down a curse instead (is there really a difference?). Do they have an opinion on this other family having a beast thing, but not being "cursed" with it? [You kind of answered this.]
    C. Do the other noble families have similar powers? I have a vague idea that I'd heard that many of the Kuchiki family manifested similarly themed powers. I don't remember what that them WAS, though. Possibly, I'm pulling from some of the non-manga-based episodes of the anime. Like when Byakuka had to kill his imprisoned ancestor, and pretended to join the bad guys. Whatever that arc is called.

    • @NoESanity
      @NoESanity ปีที่แล้ว

      they could all be seen as curses. the final getsuga losing all your spirit powers, the man form losing the ability to become man again. it would make sense that the desecration of the soul king would have lead to them all getting some clan curse as well as their expanded powers.

  • @TheJayspyder
    @TheJayspyder ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I figured it was a Shihoin family secret technique. It synergizes rather well with the Joestar family secret technique. 😂

  • @lordhades598
    @lordhades598 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    After hearing Kubo say the Shihon clan can turn into beast. It makes me wonder if somehow there connected to the Beast clan in a shocking twist. But because theyre protegies and becoming a noble clan they can control it at will. Maybe there were cat humaniod forms in the beast clan, along with Kommamura's clan who are wolves. It makes me wonder if there are other clans and spicies in the beast realm since we've never explored this place in the manga/anime.
    I speculate Chika who was in the original gotei can also transform perhaps into a panther, tiger, or some other kind of other being, but most likely some kind of breed of feline. Maybe Yorichi's unknown bankai makes her transform into a complete beast and she doesnt want to revert into a primal form since maybe she doesnt keep her mind intact once activated, similar to Zaraki's bankai were he becomes an uncontrollable oni like being that wants to destory everything in his path. Maybe she was given the noble clan's zanpukto and their bankai using this makes them all turn into their primal forms of their ancestors of the beast clan of feline humaniods. Maybe she gave up her zanpukto since her brother is now the head of the Shihon clan, once she left the soul society

  • @SatoshiSosuke
    @SatoshiSosuke ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Regarding her electric cat form, I just imagined that she's mixing what shes learned with her natural abilities. Enhancing her natural power like that. Probably even calls it half assed because she gives up her mind for all the other abilities the form offers.
    I agree with others in the comments that the form could be a curse because maybe her family line devolves slowly over the course of their lives. Heavy speculation but I do feel like everyone who was involved in the Soul King's dismemberment/humiliation could be cursed somehow.

  • @kendricmaine1234
    @kendricmaine1234 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wish kubo did more with this character I feel like he just wanted a sexy cat girl and she could have been so much more

  • @muriok2474
    @muriok2474 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm happy we finally got something on this form

  • @skeptischism1324
    @skeptischism1324 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This might sound completely crazy and please keep in mind I'm writing this literally two minutes into the video so it might get brought up later but I wonder if the cat form or the Transformations or any of it in some way shape or form even though we don't see it or see her use it have something to do with her zanpakuto. That might sound stupid because again we never see her wield it she's never calls out any name or any command or anything of the sort she never says Bankai obviously, but it's another thing about her we never see or get an explanation of so I wonder if they're linked possibly. Grant that I couldn't even speculate as to how but still.

  • @sate_f
    @sate_f ปีที่แล้ว

    "Sinner" may be a key part and more now than ever that the hell chapter oneshot is out and seems like animals are a being thing, all the characters related to animals could be related to hell somehow. As far we have : Butterflies confirmed, the Sajin clan is highly likely, and then we have Shihouin clan, Yuyu Yayahara and Atau Rindo. (Only a theory for now but worth keeping an eye to this)

  • @saika1615
    @saika1615 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    With Kubo's answer, my thoughts gravitated towards the possibility of seeing Yoruichi's zanpakuto in action grows closer

  • @in-craig-ible6160
    @in-craig-ible6160 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like how Kubo combined her Shunko with her shapeshifting ability, even if the design is very risque. 😅

  • @sofarsogood8680
    @sofarsogood8680 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I guess if Chika Shihouin could also transform in a certain animal, it could be White Tiger . I don't know maybe because of his white hair

  • @jaycjas3143
    @jaycjas3143 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Zanpaktus can have hereditary abilities passed down as well as naming conventions. So her zanpaktu spirit is probably a cat girl like Matsumoto. And she's probably just delving further into the car part of her soul like how ichigo can delve into his hallow part of his soul.

  • @wdadwdwdwadw8604
    @wdadwdwdwadw8604 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    similar to Komamura, its likely that Yorouchi ancestor were Demons like KOmamura in the form of a Cat
    make sense as to why they have great talent for speed

  • @aaronbrandon2321
    @aaronbrandon2321 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I figured a magic talisman like the one from the Shihoin clan that gave ichigo flight. Or just a secret Shihoin technique.

  • @corruptangel6793
    @corruptangel6793 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like to think the Shihoin clan Ancestor was the exact opposite of Komamura's clan. He was a cat who became human and stayed that way, but he and his descendants retained the ability to turn back if they so chose.
    I also imagine that the Ancestor, or at least someone from their clan, was the one who invented Shunko. So perhaps on members of their clan can reach true mastery, which is what Yoruichi did in that form used against Askin. Think of it as a 3 level technique. Anyone who learns the ability can reach the first and second levels, but only a member of the Shihoin clan can reach the third.

  • @Norbert_Sattler
    @Norbert_Sattler ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder if Komomura's clan is an off-shoot of the Shihoin, who lost the ability to transform and thus ended up stuck as permanent animals or in a half-way form.
    Or maybe the other way around, that the Shihoin started out the same as Komomura's clan, but conquered their curse and learned to transform freely between the shapes.

  • @sectionzerox75
    @sectionzerox75 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's obvious she visited that animal realm learning something ion but it's not explained

  • @kriscubero6778
    @kriscubero6778 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    13:24 What do you mean, her descendant? That's her younger brother

  • @Ginko_Sakata
    @Ginko_Sakata ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Batman Would Love Her

    • @AJ-kt5zo
      @AJ-kt5zo ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly

  • @Pr0digyZRX
    @Pr0digyZRX ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I mean I thought Kubo saying "from time to time" he was referring to it skipping generations...

  • @cinnamon1589
    @cinnamon1589 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love your videos

  • @ShippuuNaruto
    @ShippuuNaruto ปีที่แล้ว

    I guess Chika from a thousand years ago can transform into an animal as well and so it does fit even more that he became the founding captain of squad 2 and probably the stealth force.

  • @stillthere1238
    @stillthere1238 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Except anytime transformation

  • @Gypsygeekfreak17
    @Gypsygeekfreak17 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    maybe shes a furry

    • @vileluca
      @vileluca ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You mean an Arrancar?

    • @Gypsygeekfreak17
      @Gypsygeekfreak17 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@vilelucayou know what i said

    • @Guts-DemonSlayer
      @Guts-DemonSlayer ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@Gypsygeekfreak17 don't ruin this with your garbage fetishes

    • @gamefantasticcuz
      @gamefantasticcuz ปีที่แล้ว +2

      😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @playkidzuni0216
      @playkidzuni0216 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If she a furry, I going become one myself then too😈.

  • @scyyon
    @scyyon 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd think there were beast clans before, & the Shihoin have had their blood diluted over the years that made it less prominent for them to inehrit the beast.
    They very likely also made sure that they never succumb to their beastial instincts, that's why they don't have that big of a consequence, which is just temporal loss of self, unlike Komamura's.

  • @ragna6410
    @ragna6410 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Favorite character of Bleach. I hope she gets a better fight in TYBW anime. Manga was ok but weird.

  • @ashleeramey
    @ashleeramey ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you do a video on ichigos sisters?😅

  • @zacharywilson419
    @zacharywilson419 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This does make me wonder if yoruichi could teach sajin a way to turn back i know his is more based off of a curse but it would be really cool

  • @Resistance481
    @Resistance481 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Actually there is another cursed clan (the ise clan) given that there is death involved i dont know how similar they are but they are still counted as cursed

  • @Snzn18
    @Snzn18 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Komamura one upped Yoruichi and he transformed into a dog Permanently. Like a legit dog that can't talk.