How To Fit A Shotgun To You - Length of Pull, Comb Height, & Cast
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- There are three main things you must do to properly fit your hunting shotgun to your body. You must adjust the length of pull, comb height or drop, and the cast. Gunfitting is very important because the way you eye sits when you mount your shotgun will determine how accurate you are. Whether it is a new modern shotgun with a plastic stock or a classic shotgun with a wood stock, you must consistently mount the gun the same way every time with good eye position to consistently hit targets like ducks, geese, pheasants, doves, grouse, or sporting clays. Hunters need a shotgun stock that fits their shoulder well. And fitting a shotgun to you is not that complicated and you can gain much of the benefit with only a small amount of knowledge and work.
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Shotgunning is an art form as well as a science and you must have a good match between your body and your gun. This easy shotgun fitting guide will walk you through all of the steps needed to ensure a good custom fit so you can accurately point your gun and hit targeting hunting, at sporting clays, or shooting trap or skeet. Many good shotgun manufacturers like Mossberg, Remington, Browning, Benelli, Beretta, Winchester and others produce shotguns with a variety of simple stock adjustments to help fit their shotguns to the majority of shooters.
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Thanks for reinforcing the importance of gun fit. Gun fit will determine where your shotgun will shoot. I was taught to mount a shotgun with my eyes closed. Opening my eyes once the gun is shouldered will usually tell me whether or not it fits me.
Great point! I should have included that. That is true with rifles as well but it matters a bit more for shotguns.
You are canting your head on every mount - your eyes should be level, parallel to the horizon.
Yea, that's right.
Not saying you are wrong, but how can you put the gun to your shoulder and look straight down the rib without canting your head to a degree?
@@LoBeau53You should lift the gun to your eye not bend your head down to the gun. I don't do a stellar job showing it in this video, and I'm still working on improving my form myself, but that is the ideal scenario. Here is a good video from the Shooting Channel that demonstrates that better than I did th-cam.com/video/kjQLq5RaVFM/w-d-xo.html
@@LoBeau53like they do on call of duty
Why do you bring your head to the gun, INSTEAD OF bringing the gun to your cheek!
Because you have to think about too many things at the same time to do everything right when making a video in your office because there is a torrential storm outside and your kid screaming in the next room inside.
Shooting heavy turkey or magnum buckshot loads out of a shotgun with a stock that is to long is not pleasant and takes a lot of the fun out of shooting,a stock that fits you well decreases the felt recoil immensely
Well said.
I thought about this:
U must also take into account how much padding u have at ur shoulder's mounting location.
If u'r wearing a T-shirt, flannel shirt, sweat shirt, n thick coat under ur shooting jacket
w it's own pad, u r easily adding 1" on the gun's LOP.**
So, whether ur shooting in the shnow or hot windless heat during Summers, u must
recall u weren't wearing anyding when u've cut up/added shims on ur gun's Butt-Stuck. Thus
4 all weather all season LOP consistency w ur gun, u must always shoot outdoors naked???!!!
Cast - (11:54) I know where this term came from. Cast is the most popular item in India
for centuries. I dink the term came from there. It doesn't mattr whether ur LH or RH, their
elite authority would randomly castrate u at a crowded train station. But they don't touch
their Brahman Sacred Cows bc. they r secretly eating dem while the lower casts starve to
death. Neutral Cast means Neutering in India. Well, the lower cast's revenge is datttoo
the rich casts seats inside the train coaches while the lower ones pay nothing up on the
roofs. It must of bn terrible coughing when they go into tunnels during the steam locomotive
era but more scarier when the trains electrified w catenary n pantographs up on the roof.
Thx for ur dedicated video to our wonderful hobby; Clay smok'ng or feather spreading for dinner.
1 to 4 ratio is a lot. Surprised. It would have bn EZr if u mark up ur rear thumb joint when u photo's
where ur nose had touched the top of comb. It was hard to decipher where the thmb joint was.
There is another bump behind the joint.
Actually, i do appreciate ur seriousness on ur excellent presentation. Oops! U did throw in a
joke at 12:50, there r no LH-der shooter. U've skipped on Ambidextrous shooters BTW. It was
good 2C a humor side of u. Ur always serious on ur other presentations. Or maybe i didn't detect
ur curve throws?
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**Oops again! I shoulda waited till end of ur video. Yes, u did mention bout clothing can change
the fit parameters. Ur concluding presentation, "Acid Test" w the straw was the best.
Thank U!
You make a good point. Interestingly, I tend to shoot better in a t-shirt. I should probably shorten my LOP some because my coat probably throws me off some.
This video helped me so much. I've never adjusted anything beside LOP before. Just got the JM 940 Pro and this video was perfect
Awesome! Glad to hear it! That gun should serve you well!
Very interesting video. It's the clearer one I ve never seen for the gun fitting. Thanks a lot.
Thank you!
Saved my short ass so much time. 😅
Glad to be able to help!
Those giant fibres on the waterfowl editions are a bit silly. If your gun fits and you know how to mount there’s no need for a gigantic light pipe on the end… shouldn’t even need a bead then tbh.
You aren't wrong by any means. But I like it. Especially when shooting targets on the ground or water. And very few hunters are accomplished shooters, which is its own problem. It's a nice feature for the less than professional shooter.
Excellent video Doc. My new Stoeger M3k fits me perfectly (I'm right handed) and the straw test was right on too. New subscriber!
Awesome! Thanks so much!
How do you hit anything closing your left eye,try shooting with both eyes open you'll be surprised what you see,you dont close one eye while playing ball do ya
My goodness what a great instruction video . Layman terms that hunters can understand perfectly . I'm going to institute all of this .
Thank you so much!
This video may have saved me a lot of money, thank you.
It doesn't get much better than that. Thanks!
When I hunt huns in September I am wearing a T-shirt, when I hunt roosters in late December with a thick parka there is 2 inches thicker clothes. So length of pull varies depending on whether the hunting temperature is 70F or 10F. There is a tremendous variation in length of pull preferred among world class shooters:th-cam.com/video/MihfeSnVJR4/w-d-xo.html
Consistent check weld pressure and sighting down the rib is key.
Thanks!
Great video, going to do the straw test.
Thanks so much! It's such a cheap simple way to dial in your fit.
Semplice, chiaro e esaustivo !! Complimenti George , sei il migliore !!
Thank you so much!
Really appreciate this video. I never knew about this adjustment and now I know why these shims are sitting in my cleaning kit all these years! I will definitely check into the fit of my gun because I know for a fact I missed a lot of birds this year until I realized I had to concentrate on bringing the gun up higher which now I know could have been a result of adjustment. This will save ammo and end with less cripples. I was waiting for you to mention the fact that hunting gear will change everything but it will. It will allow a good starting point. Not to mention I don't wear as much gear in the warmer pheasant season and I will should hit more birds on the first shot if the adjustment needs to be made! Thank you.
Yea, gear can definitely impact your fit. It's probably good to wear an average jacket or more when doing your fit. Whatever approximates the average of what you're using when you hunt. I shoot this shotgun better in a t-shirt, which means I need to adjust the fit for hunting season.
Excellent vidéaste. Thank you!
Thank you!
940 Pro rocks! They come with all the bells and whistles at a reasonable price.
I'm left handed, all my grandkids are right handed. I want them to have success while learning. I setup with neutral cast. The great Benelli does not offer neutral cast shims.
I like 13 1/2" LOP, my grandkids are smaller so I setup the LOP at 12 1/2" and add a slip on for myself.
It's so great how easy those adjustments can be with a modern gun! No hacksaw, glue, or steam chambers needed.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide Yelp, wish I could find a 20 ga about 6 lb that could be fitted as well as the 940.
This video was a huge help as I'm preparing to make a spalted maple stock and forend for my 20 ga 870 express. Yes it has the typical 25 year old remington oak stock and forend that are prone to cracking
Might do the same on my grandpa's old savage 94b since I have logs and a mill to cut lumber to make my blanks.
Great! Glad to be able to provide some help.
My issue is not so much where the falls on the stock. But the fact that my wife can't reach the trigger at all. Not even with the tip. She lacks a half inch at least.
Well, that's a huge issue there. Definitely need to reduce the length of pull. May need a different stock all together actually, possibly a youth model would work better.
Good information, but as you said, mounting the shotgun is so critical to the fit. You can have a proper fitting gun, but if your mount is inconsistent you will still have problems.
True story!
Perhaps you might want to bring the gun up to your face rather than leaning your face forward onto the gun. If you were at our clay target center and shot our pattern board your point of impact is likely VERY flat. Might be good for some things but not for example, Trap or many of our 5-stand targets.
Thanks for the feedback! I need to find a club where I can get feedback like that live when shooting.
Very helpful. Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
I'm going to try this out! I tried to mount my shotgun eyes closed... Turns out I was looking to the right of the beads when I opened my eyes. The place I bought it from told me that i should just practice my mounting, but I think the shotgun should fit organically? I'm still gonna practice my mounting tho!
Yes to both! It should fit organically and you would benefit from practicing.
Simple: Gun to the cheek not the other way!!
Thank you!
Thank you for taking the time to produce a clear usable instructional vide.
Thanks so much! I hope to do another with better production value. It was a stormy day when I recorded this and had to improvise a spot in my office for it.
Excellent presentation and lesson. 100% of shooters would benefit from checking their specs.
Thank you so much!
Bought a 28 ga o/u for skeet, I shoot left handed. My gun is rt cast. Thank you for addressing the cast issue.
Glad to be of some help!
Oohh I see that muller choke!! Can’t wait to see your review on it! Really like your chanel, your doing great!
Thank you so much! Oh yea, the Muller choke tube tests are coming!
Top notch video… as usual! I’m thinking of picking up a CZ Sharptail 20 gauge side by side. The LOP is 14.5”. At 6’4” with fairly long arms I believe 14.5” LOP should work nicely…
Thanks! If you can, I always recommend picking it up in a store and feeling it out before buying just to be sure.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I live in California… I’ll have to take a course in “ gun touching “, pay $100 and literally pass a background check just to buy ammo for a shotgun that I just passed a background check for after paying another $50 for the FFL! It’s like an Venezuelan bread line out here! Lines around the corner just to get into a gun shop to buy anything! Ridiculous! At least you have an undercover brother in the heart of it all💪🏼
@@stevencaldwell838 Oh man... wow... Well, do what you can, and keep on keeping on!
@@TheNewHuntersGuide 🤙
He sounds just like Jerry Lewis!
I dunno if that's a pro or a con with a video like this, but I'll take it!
I’m new to sporting clays. This video is very helpful. Thanks!
Awesome, thanks so much!
Will cast off affect where your POA / POI when pattern testing for Turkey Loads and if so how exactly would you fix the problem?
Having the wrong cast can move the point of the impact left or right to a degree. It can also make the gun hard to shoot. Per the video, you can fix with inserts to shift the stock, steaming and bending wooden stocks, etc. But generally speaking, if the cast matches you being right or left handed, that's usually enough for most hunters.
Thanks for the info. I’ll definitely have to give this a try.
4:23 I don’t agree with this method of length of pull measurement. Some people have giant hands and even bigger noses. Small hands and small noses.
I can't disagree.
Length of pull and pitch are for comfort.
I get this guy. You ask a question, he gives you the entire answer.
Haha, that's a fair way to put it.
you moving your head when measuring lop
It's hard to not, especially when trying to keep things in frame on the camera while talking and maintaining a focused flow of information. It's hard not to, even in ideal circumstances actually. But you work at it.
The comments tell the story great video thank you
Thank you so much!
Just got my 940 waterfowl pro. Is that mullet decoy choke better than the stock X factor? Can’t wait to see videos to come on it?
Full test video of the Muller chokes is coming! I have no idea if its better yet. I have only fired a handful of shells through it and have no data in hand yet. The stock X factor has done really well for me for sporting clays and trap shooting. I've never used it hunting yet, I choke tighter for bismuth. But its definitely a nice, modified choke.
Having used carlson, muller, briley, and patternmaster chokes; it’ll depend on the gun and ammo used as to what brand and model of choke is technically the best.
Most aftermarket’s will perform so close that in the field there is no difference… just some look cooler than others or have fancy marketing.
I’ve heard that having a shorter range of pull makes the gun more tactical. But honestly, I kind of like the idea of having the shotgun more on my chest. Do you think that having a shorter stock mounted more to my center mass will make me less accurate in shooting trap?
The best answer I can give is probably. But shotgun fit is a bit organic. You can get used to and get fairly good at numerous variations. Following the established methodology for proper fit is most likely to get you to the best you can do. But few of us will compete in world championships. Shoot however is more comfortable and fun for you.
Thank you. I thought that might be the case but I figured I’d ask
Very helpful. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
Love your matter of fact, straight to it information. Your videos are really helpful. Thanks
Thanks so much!
I love your channel and everything you do George. If you want to get better on form, there are a few points of improvement that could really help you out. I’d like to point out to you but I don’t want to come off as a troll. If you are open to it, let me know and Incan give you some pointers. Again, I love the channel George!
Sure, send me whatever you've got! Keep in mind, shooting for the camera is a little different than shooting for real. Even just using a tripod with a shotgun damages form. But it's what the fans expect, ha.
Awesome, here are some pointers:
1) Turn your shoulders a bit more towards the target. Your stance is too much like a rifle shooting stance. Tuck your head and raise your shoulders. Your head and your spine should be perfectly in line. You should never have to tilt your head on the stock. Your eyes must be perfectly level with the horizon. Because your shoulders are facing the target a lot more now, you need to compensate for recoil by having 90% of your weight on your front foot.
Hard to explain over text, but believe me this is how 99.9% of competitive skeet/trap shooters do it.
2) a second pointer although much less important is your left hand grip. Grip the forend with 2 fingers on the left and 3 on the right (instead of 1 and 4). Use your index finger to point at the target. What this does is lock the hinge at your wrist, and allows for less rotation of the gun around its longitudinal axis. In other words, the rib will remain in plain with the horizon much better when at the fringes of your rotation.
If none of this makes sense, I could FaceTime you. If that helps.
The result of this, especially on the first point is the gun will rock you a lot less. And your rotation will be a lot smoother.
Again, I love your Channel. Please don’t take this in a patronizing way. Just a humble opinion of a guy that’s been hunting and shooting Orange thingies for 30 years. 😂
th-cam.com/video/kjQLq5RaVFM/w-d-xo.html
TSC has some good instructional videos too on form. Though I do prefer to shoot with more open feet than he does, he has some good points.
@@chootum8295 I wish I could take you to the sporting clays range with me! I'm often the most experienced person in the group and that isn't saying much at all, I'm just the guy inviting people and putting groups together. But it means I never get any helpful feedback.
@@chootum8295 I know of this guy. He's great. Thank you!
WHAT IF YOU HAVE A BIG OR SMALL NOSE,THEN WHAT?
Well, then shotgunnung probably isn't for you. Might wanna take up rifle hunting instead.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide BRILLIANT!!!
Length of Pull metric, 3:50, 1.5-2.5 finger widths from nose to knuckle with shouldered shotgun.
adjust lenght of pull, 7:17, 4:1 ratio, for every 1" +/- from stock you adjust LoP 4", adjusted in fractions.
comb height, 8:58, see the rib flat with your view while shouldered, adjust if below or above the rib.
cast, 11:53, does the stock angle away from your face.
straw test, 15:54. I saw this test on an old MidwayUSA video about shotgun fit.
Thanks!
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Thanks for the feedback.
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Thanks so much!
Great info video
Thank you so much!
Great info. Will have to try the straw before next season
Thanks so much! Alot of research and prep went into this one. Couldn't shoot it outside due to weather and not want to be pointing guns everywhere lol
@@TheNewHuntersGuide i wonder if shooting with the straw would improve the movement to get on target
Now that I have not tried. Might be a good exercise!
The gun every gunsmith told me not buy, the humpback.
Haha
MIne is great!
ask 10 differat gun fitters how to fit a shot gun , and you will get 10 differed answers
Yea, but you gotta start somewhere.
Do these same rules apply to tactical shotguns?
In short, yes. But you can skirt the rules with optics. Here is a presentation I did about this for turkey hunting. The same principles apply for tactical use. th-cam.com/video/lPza0UhkHjQ/w-d-xo.html
what about left eye dominance for right hand shooters?
That is a hard one, it can cause a major problem. There are numerous imperfect options, close your left eye when shooting, learn to shoot left-handed, or use an optic. The last one is maybe the more practical. With rifles and scopes you can be less hindered by it, a scope or red dot can give you the same benefit with a shotgun. It can be weird wing shooting with a red dot but some people actually prefer it. It's not much of a disadvantage once you practice and get used to it.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide Thank you very much for your time and answer.
I've been shooting shotguns for 25 years and no one has ever taught me this. I occasionally do the eyes closed test like Hindsight Outdoors, but always tried to adjust my hold to the gun instead of the gun to my natural hold. I'll be doing this before the next time I go shoot. Great stuff!
Thank you so much sir!
Cool man, the more you learn, idk why but i took this really positively. Have a good night bro, i just bought a ruger sr1911 and a mossberg 500 field/deer combo and ive never hunted or shot 🤣 i just wanna get into it, im 23 nd its gona be fun bro
@@graysonquenelle That's awesome! I love hearing stories like that. You should totally check out my podcast. www.newhuntersguide.com/
Will the wrong cast make my shotgun shoot to the left
Wrong cast will make it shoot right or left depending on cast. If you are consistently shooting to one side, it could be the other factors as well. Could also be a bent barrell. Try another shotgun or two and see if you have the same problem. If so, it is probably an issue with your fit or perhaps your technique.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I do not have this problem with any of my other shotguns this is a new gun And it has me baffled I do have shims that come with the gun if I've got right. I cast it right is that correct
Bad length of pull could also effect it. @@kenndeike287 It could also be a damaged barrel or rib.
Wow that's a lot to take in, i think I have a little work to do on my gun! Thanks George another great one! God bless you and go get them in the marsh!
Thanks so much Jeff! I always appreciate the support.
e hope for an Arabic translation
TH-cam should give you caption options in any language you like, is that feature not working?
Great info! Timely for my new shotgun.
Thanks Chad! It's a lot to keep in your brain all at one time. Thankfully once you work out a good fit, you don't need to much about it anymore.
No way I take advice from someone who look down a barrel of a gun
Everyone you know, including yourself has looked down many barrels when cleaning and checking alignment. I clearly showed the slides were open and empty. This hypersensitivity to the obvious is nothing more than dogmatic and unrealistic. There is no way other to demonstrate proper alignment.
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Huh?