I've seen it work, like a few times, between guys of equal skill and low ego... They basically took turns at catch and release... Also seen it between females and higher belts... but I certainly can't do it.
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There was this huge guy who used to train in the same gym and every time he got caught in a triangle he escaped just by pushing his opponent away so hard that the guys just gave up the triangle in order not to get their leg broken. He would usually say: Technique is great until the power explodes! :)
@@TeachMeGrappling then what to do...coach ???...spot the weakest pressure points and attack like the 'V' shape neck part just above the collar bone or joint part where we cannot flex...???
I’m not following you completely. If a man is too big and strong for your technique, you can 1. Get better at the technique. 2. Try using a different technique to find a weakness. 3. Get stronger/faster. 4. Persevere until your opponent tires out, then try it again. 5. Work on better timing and setups. Hope this helps!! 👍
@@ashemleibakngambamoirangch5416You're not going to face someone absurdly stronger than you in sport, that's what weight categories are for. In the street, size may overcome technique, but an effective weapon overcomes size.
For me the biggest reason to be strong in grappling is to avoid injury. I like consistently getting stronger and constantly roll at ~80%. It dramatically decreases the risk of injuries and in the long run will give better results, imo.
In my personal experience, I always have a tougher time dealing with bigger, more aggressive and less technical guys rather than lighter, smoother and more technical guys. Sometimes just having someone go full throttle and really try to attack you will be worse than just dealing with someone who is simply just better than you.
In my limited experience, the biggest lie in BJJ is that it's "safe". Obviously safety is relative. But a lot of people encouraging others to get into BJJ act like it's the same as joining a spin class or something. It's not. You will get hurt. Not necessarily career ending, life changing hurt. But you're not going from first class to blue belt without a few busted lips and tweaked muscles, etc.
Love this and totally agree. Even though I am brand new to this ( only had one class), I have been athletic my entire life, and am 55 yrs young, 6' 225 lbs. Lifetime of football, Marine Corps, amateur boxing and weight training. I have a huge advantage to begin with, but will stay humble and learn the techniques and drills. Lack of flexibility is one of my weaknesses as well as learning to not gas myself trying to use brute strength. I am looking forward to the journey. Goal is to have my black belt by age 65 training 3 times per week @ 3 hr sessions. Oss.
idk why people view strength as a negative in jits. in wrestling, I would always compliment guys on being able to muscle out of things. strength is just one aspect of grappling, along with flexibility, technique, speed, agility, and temperment. similar to what Chewy says, nobody ever says you only got out of that because you're fast or you're flexible, or because you were calm and waited for the right moment, but for some reason, strength is viewed as a giant negative.
tyler, very true but BJJ has such complexity that when im called strong, it tells me that my skills and understanding were low and that I spent a ton of energy because I didnt have an efficient way to move. I like being strong but I do understand why it can be and has been an annoying compliment
Being able to is awesome, but doing so in practice is bad, bcs it teaches you bad habits that'll screw you when going against a stronger person. If a woman has got me in a locked in submission, I get nothing out of muscling out bcs that won't work against anyone my size. Instead I should work on sensible late stage defense.
This has been the biggest thing that I have had to come to terms with as a thin, relatively weak guy. I try to lift weights and get stronger but my body really doesn’t respond well to strength training. I’ve come to accept the fact that I just need to focus on getting as good as I can, while maintaining whatever level of strength I can achieve, and at the same time I have to accept that I will never be as strong as a lot of the guys that I train with so I will never be able to truly compete with them.
After 8 years of training and plateau in my early fifties, my jiujutsu got better after starting gym work. It’s like a cheat code if you have technique as well.
6:56 is 100% correct! Even Marcelo Garcia the king of technique is ridiculously strong! Even Eddie Bravo said, how crazy strong his grips were. Great to see someone who keeps honest!!!
@Yanushka Gunawardena Tyson's technique definitely became better than Cus's, but I think the statement of Cus not being able to beat Tyson still applied even when Tyson started learning. Cus had the moves and the strategy, but not the strength/speed/power/spirit necessary to take him. Even when Tyson was just a novice. Another similarity would be BJJ coach John Danaher and his student Gordan Ryan. Gordan speaks a lot about Danaher like Tyson speaks of Cus. Danaher has tons of knowledge and practically downloads it into Gordon, but even with all of his knowledge, he wouldn't be able to take Gordon.
One of the Gracie’s spoke of this. He explained... as you age(40-50+)... your diminished speed reduces you one belt(I.e. black to brown). He also explained a larger opponent also reduces you one belt. If that makes any sense. Size and age does matter. It matters in boxing; why not grappling.
yep and in street fights ever punch landed lowers a belt hahaha. im a white belt who got my ass kicked by a guy that outweighed me by sixty pounds in the street. and im in my forties. so yeah. i went from white belt to zero in a matter of seconds
As an instructor, I always push correct technique even when the student is strong enough to pull the skill off with strength. I tell them how much better they will be if they have technique to add to their natural skills.
I agree, If there is too much of a strength and weight difference the lighter person is very unlikely to win. I know twins who were black belts in their teens under their father who was a Japanese Juijutsu master, they are both under 5ft and weight less than 50kg, although technically they are very strong, they don't have the strength to counter the strength of a much bigger person. You mean dynamic muscles. Age is also a big factor, which is why much older fighters especially if the younger fighter is in their 20's where they have far more energy. I have trained with a Judo instructor who I would not beat, it took me 3 months to be able to stop him destroying me, but his technique made a huge difference. nice video!
If strength didn't matter.. Women could compete against men. It'll take a second degree black belt woman against a blue belt man (same weight) to make it kinda even.. This answers all questions
How do you explain Helio Gracie who modified techniques to work for him because he was frail and weak person? He and his brother Carlos were the reason BJJ became what it was and it was Royce Gracie who showed the world you could beat larger, stronger and more athletic opponents. Just asking?
So for a white belt to beat a black belt he needs 160lbs of muscle advantage? If a guy has 160lbs of muscle on you and you try to grapple with him he will literally rip your arms off.
I remember when Ronda Rousey said she could defeat Mike Tyson... and a lot of ppl believed her... Ridiculous comparison she made, I think now she doesn't think the same way. Nice video.
Coach Peterson, l am a MMA Coach with a BBJ, Catch Wrestling, Judo and Sambo background. I have 17 years in BBJ and l can't agree more that Technics vs strength is situational to a great extent. Size, physical condition, tactical knowledge can affect the final outcome of a fight. Looking back to the early 90's when BBJ was relatively unknown in main stream American, BBJ was expressed to illustrate survival against a stronger opponent. I saw how effective BBJ was and is today. Many of the Black Belts were physically fit, but they weren't built like some kind of Olympic Wrestler; Since the 90's BBJ practitioners have evolved and many include strength and conditioning as well as other aspects of other grappling arts in their BBJ. Many who complete in both submission and MMA, rely on both Technic and strength training executed through repetition. I think this is where grappling live today. Respectfully Coach AL
I agree with you man,in Martial Arts especially full contact combat sports we ought to use force or strength intelligently and the 2 go together strength and technique.
I think this argument generally holds well under modern competition rules. A five or ten minute fight favours the stronger, heavier opponent. Would the same argument hold for a 30+ minute fight? Time is a serious factor for the bigger stronger opponents. I suppose there are so many factors to look at and without a doubt to excel in all qualities is best.
Yes these same thoughts enter my head but in the hypothetical... if all other things are "equal", then the length of time shouldn't change it. It should only wear out the weaker/smaller fighter. There may be a size problem due to physics however. At some point, an athlete can be too big to be effective. This is an interesting thought. Of course in my video I'm speaking of a Marcelo Garcia vs a Marcelo Garcia that is 15 lbs bigger and stronger. Thank you!
It takes more energy for the smaller guy to attack or defend the bigger guy, Unless you can rest while they wear out. Say you grab big guys wrist how easy can he get out, how much energy does he use. Now say big guy grabs your wrist how easy can you get out, how much energy did you use.
Ive hit my 40th year on this flying rock. I have been reading a lot about what to expected for the next 40 if continuing with JJ. The older I get the more I will have to get use to not winning or eventually even thinking about winning. lucky I have a good mind set about not winning already. tap me out 10 or 110 times. I will be back for the 11th or 111th.
I'm 5'11" 215 lbs, left leg above knee amputee. I'm a very strong guy, and get lots of comments about my grip strength. I regularly roll with a powerlifter that is 6'3" 245 lbs. There is little I can do against that guy. He submits me way more than I submit him, but because of his size, weight, and strength, I'm always fighting from a bad position. No one else at my gym is like this guy. I literally stay injured because not only is this guy big, heavy, and strong, but he also tries to kill me every time we roll. I'm a strong guy, but not near as strong as that guy. On the other end, I regularly roll with a 120 lb female. I can totally control her with little effort, but instead of crushing her with my strength, I let her work technique and I work on relaxing and countering her technique.
Not nearly as much as a proper barbell program though. You get strong by specifically training for strength. You can't just do BJJ and hope to get powerlifter strong as a byproduct. And as you perfect your technique you will actually use LESS strength, not more.
Robert Drysdale vs. Marcelo Garcia.. PERFECT EXAMPLE at what is being discussed.. Marcelo one of the best to ever do it technique wise, gets darce choked by a much larger Drysdale with also very good technique.
@@bluedogguy i'd say the gi is a weapon, it's not part of our bodies, obviously. many moves that i can hit with bathrobe (gi) i can't hit without because i just don't get the same "pull" from a no gi collar tie for example, i can't quite make out from from your comment whether you agree that gi is utter bullshit when it comes to getting good without but i sure hope you agree
people who believe that a bathrobe can make you a better grappler without bathrobe should go down to their local wrestling club and tell those guys to start practicing with bathrobes, sheer and utter nonsense!
i hate the expression "no gi", like this is something "complemantary", NOO!!! to wrestle using only our BODIES is the fundamental way of course , everything else is complenantary!
@@peterharkness9749 Completely agree. The gi is completely outdated and doesn't make you a better no-gi grappler. The people that tell you that want you to take gi classes.
I agree with you for the most part. Strength will take you a long way but unless someone is seriously outmatched the gap isnt impossible to make up for. Look at Pedro Sauer vs Lance Batchelor (sp?) as an example of extreme technique vs extreme strength. I can bench press a guy (250 lbs) I train with and toss him off my chest. But when I roll with purple belts who are a lot weaker than me I always get tapped no matter how much force I use simply because I don't understand what they're doing until it's too late. They wear me out, get into position, and that's it for me. Edit: And then I watched the rest of the video and saw you say pretty much the same thing...
People focus too much on technique. Its not just about technique it is also the timing of the technique. There are also other factors of how you put things together. At the end of the day people crying about power and strength are just being salty. There is no 1 only correct way to bjj. Everyone, based on their attributes (physical and mental), has to find the best way forward for themselves. For example if you are strong then you utilise strength and maybe have a more top heavy game. If you are flexible then you probably play certain types of guard game. If you have fast twitch muscles then you rely on speed. If you have speed of thought or intelligence then you rely on deception etc. In a nutshell you tailor what you learn to your own attributes. Dont just try to blindly copy. Technique is not the be all and end all it just gives you the short cuts or the most efficient way in terms of energy expended and outcome achieved.
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For my body type and current weight, I can't pull off crazy triangles... But my side controls are amazing. Find your niche and keep things realistic is what i learned from this video.
I'll take stamina over strength any day, however technique will eventually overcome most situations. Functional strength is another thing altogether. Thanks for having a frank discussion about this topic. Pretty cool to see Nic interact on your channel also - BJJ is a small world.
I really do wonder what people mean by functional strength. Are you implying that strength from training heavy squats and deadlifts isn't functional? Strength training isn't endless barbell curls.
Functional in the sense that you are applying the strength gained from a specific endeavor. Not to be too esoteric about it, I can't bench press as much as someone who benches weights every day, the same can be said about my ability to grab, hold and advance a position in BJJ with a gi versus someone who doesn't train BJJ. You can train in marathons or cross-fit competitions - these may help but will never replace actually rolling gi or no-gi.
I agree only to a certain degree..... strength, technique, timing, patients. It's what the games about. I would have to say technique is 40% strength 25% timing 20% patients 15%. I read this article also and I have had the privilege of training with Michelle nicolini. I talked to her about it she agreed with me that high level Jiu jitsu relies on technique first then strength then timing lastly patients. I don't agree with the example because you've not talking about just strength..... you're talking Primal instinct....
@@RAPEDBYBLACKSSquats and deadlifts are part of strongmen competitions. And strength athletes, bodybuilders and other athletes DO do squats and deadlifts in general.
As a 165lb man that grew up in Chicago & has aquired 3 different belts including a brown in BJJ & a state championship in Wrestling. I like to think that I have above average technique. As well, from growing up where I did, I have the Heart of a Warrior! I ran into "Jo-Jo", one night at the club where I was Head of Security! He was an aggressive 400lb Samoan kid that was 12-15 years younger than me! I took him to school that day! He probibly still walks with a limp, thinking of me when it rains! Having that Heart from growing up fighting to stay alive & out of the street gangs gives me an advantage over 99.9% of the men I've faced in battle! By no means am I the baddest guy around! I just haven't found him in my 47 years!
The technique combine with the physical strength you have, is what made the difference. If you are a state champion wrestler and a Brown belt in BJJ, you are stronger than a regular 165pound human.
Two opponents all things being equal except one is larger and stronger, likely larger/stronger “wins” under sport rules. We have very high level small and large guys but they rarely exchange which I think is unfortunate. At 5’8 185 45 yo just about purple, I will roll with anyone from our 360lb blue or 320lb brown on down to our 120 lb white. If I was to fight for real, my biggest threat would be a guy about my size (I am very strong former power lifter) but with superior technique not just in grappling but striking. The mental crazy factor is one aspect you have to consider as well. That guy that will keep going without quitting. Cardio is a huge part too once you can defend higher belts attacks and you are a threat back to them regardless of size. Larger guys might have more torque but its rarely focused and they burn gas too fast. Smaller guys might just not be a threat even with superior skills. That 190-230 lb that can take the punishment yet maneuver faster than big guys with mor endurance or dominate smaller guys positionally is in my opinion the ideal size. Thanks for posting.
I agree 100%...and strength and athleticism are key to enforcing your technique. There's a guy at my gym who is 6'8 who can easily throw me off of him. Im 6'1 and my knees don't even touch the floor in full mount! I'm a white belt, but it occurred to me I would need to train to at least a purple belt AND hit the weights and run/swim to develop a good strong heart to endure a long match if I ever faced such an opponent. I realize the things Im learning as a white belt would be ineffective against such a man. So strategies change depending on size and weight and the athleticism of the opponent. I suppose that is why there are weight divisions in sport bjj?
strenght is a factor yes, so if you have it dont use it if is not needed just to hold and burn your self out especially against a high level opponent that knows how to ride the storm
Hmmm I agree to an extent but at the same time based on real world evidence: the reign of Royce, Bas vs Randleman, Yarbrough vs Takase (difference of a few hundred pounds), basically any Pride Fight, Dempsey vs Willard, basically any Tyson fight, and on and on... show that sufficient technique does trump strength and weight advantage (even when fighting skilled opponents). It's great to see you back! Also, invest in a mic so we can hear you better and drop the extended intro - the shirt does the job :)
wait, how does Royce's reign prove that? The only dude he fought who had anywhere near his grappling skill was Ken Shamrock (and he was still levels below if you ask me). In the case of Yarbrough vs. Takase, you are overlooking a glaring disadvantage Emanual suffered from, which was very limited mobility due to his size. By 'skilled opponents' they don't mean just anybody who just trained at anything, but somebody who is a very good grappler but it's a beast. A better way to look at it is if Royce had to fight a heavier and stronger clone of himself, who would win.
Perfectly stated. Just a thought... was Royce more technical at BJJ than Matt Hughes??? It certainly didn't look like it. Maybe it had something to do with strength and other attributes than just technique???
Thank you :) I agree (which is why I said 'I agree to an extent') that strength, age and the other factors you mentioned do play a role in fighting - I just disagree that a person can reach a point where there physical qualities will overcome everyone physically inferior regardless of skill level. In the Hughes fight, was Matt better at jiu jitsu? I don't know, was he better (in that event) at maintaining heavy top control than Royce was at escaping - based on the fight - you have to say yes. So, not to discredit Royce, I'd say it was a case of a more skilled (in a specific area) person (who also happened to be bigger and stronger) defeating a less skilled person (in that area) as opposed to pure physicality vs skill.
Look. Royce Gracie is a terrible example to use. Royce fought in an era where he had something no one else had. Which amounts to "technique is king if everyone else has absolutely no technique whatsoever." He literally fought a guy wearing one boxing glove. When things had progressed for the rest of the budding mma world just a short time later, their was no Royce beating people of any weight. He became rather average.
Ryron and Rener Gracie refer to it as Boyd belts. an age diff of 10 years or weight diff of 20 lbs is approximately a belt. for example two guys same weight one is 30 yrs older. the older man is black belt, younger is blue belt. 3 belts awarded theoretically to younger , purple, brown, black = TOUGH FIGHT.
The Gracies have a formula for this. I forget how it goes exactly but for example a small BJJ black becomes a purple belt when facing somebody who outweighs him by 50 pounds or more.
Seems like I've heard 20 or 25 lb. adds a belt... But it might depend on some basic bjj knowledge/experience and a reasonably athletic build as a start (and not just fat, as the added weight)... And for me, at 50 yo. I think maybe every 10 or 15 years over 35ish takes away a belt... Which sucks for us old ass white belts, gettin tapped all day lol.
Rener and Ryron call it a Boyd belt scale. Every 10 years and 20 pounds equals a belt. 30 year old purple and 20 year old blue are more or less equal. 30 year old 160 lbs purple and 30 year old 180 lbs blue are more or less equal
I'm 5'6 145 lbs and submit guys that are bigger than me. However, I lose to guys that have technique and strength. BJJ does not make a person invincible. However, it provides equity for smaller people.
Wait i always thought the biggest lie in Jiu-jitsu was the Helio Gracie invented leverage/ and the origin story about him being too sick to practice and he learned everything from watching his brothers then they were late to teach a lesson and Helio was magically all better and took all the provate students etc .lol
There is a reason for weight classes. Having said that, very rarely do you see an Absolute gi or no gi winner that is under 170lbs. In fact, it is has never happened in ADCC Absolute history. Marcelo Garcia has come close but he's a rare talent and on that 170lb border
Yes! I'm a pretty strong guy, for an old guy... So some of the guys call me "old man strength" I frickin love it! But I also get why this 2% body fat power lifter we have, who is a blue belt but can tap most everyone but the black belts, doesn't like to hear- it's because you are so strong... but it is! Purple belts get him in an Americana and he just lays there, easily fighting off two arms with his one massive one. But he also learns fast and even on his own... so yeah, he's a scary effing blue belt.
In the end of the day all martial arts is is trying to find the truth about what we should do to become as close as we can to perfect at fighting. At least this is my take on it. Everyone has certain athletic attributes and I believe its beneficial for one to exploit the ones that he can always rely on. My wording here is kind of weird so let me give you an example: The suplex is a move I love, I am a short and stocky guy, certainly not the strongest out there, but I can rely that my strength will be enough to lift my opponent, even if he is 300 or whatever pounds I can suplex them, similarly I can rely on deadlifting them in the double under into a front headlock, regardless of size, because my leg's strength can beat their weight. Simirarly, a really tall guy can rely on him being able to put a body triangle on his opponent. I believe we should try to find the best technique in the context of our athletic abilities, I wouldnt for instance recomend a suplex to a really thin guy. The issue I see with a lot of people is trying to do technique that does not work on everyone, and that may piss people off. For instance a 200 guy using all arm strength against a 150 guy will build him a bad habit, because if his opponent is 300 pounds then suddenly his "technique" is gone. Obviously some people have an advantage, but my conclusion at least is that you dont have to be athletically gifted to be athletic. But you have to be athletic, you may not be strong, but you may be durable, you will have something. Obviously some people are born with more, but thats just how things are.
I appreciate this explanation. Sometimes I beat myself up for not submitting every 200lb white, blue or purple belt, when I think I should, based on my level of experience. I'm 115lb. It's unrealistic. I tell myself at least they can't submit me, and with such a disadvantage, that's a win to me..
What's up Brian been a long time hope you remember me Robert Villegas from Oxnard ca, you used to coach me freestyle wrestling I'm Luis Reyes brother he wrestled for you for CIHS just wanted to see how you doing and say what's up man hope all is good
HEY, all you have to do to prove the theory is have a competition of 100 black belt women vs 100 black belt men and see how it plays out. I'm gonna go with the stronger men. I'll bet anyone on here with 2 to 1 odds.
If an untrained Hafthor Bjornson rolled with Eddie Bravo, what would happen? I think Eddie could obviously beat many untrained men with weight advantage, but it's to an extent
I remember being discouraged when I first started really rolling about how much strength and athleticism matter. I first became fascinated by Helio Gracie's story of being weak and needing to adapt a martial art to overcome strength descrepancies, so I was surprised that on the mats so much strength comes into play.
Ya my first school was one of those "your so strong bro" schools where nobody will roll with you cause they no you will tap them with strength, and make them look bad. Im 6'3 240lbs, and I always lift heavy. It doesn't help that I trained Combat Cambo for awhile. Then they started blaming that for their losses too. That place totally ruined my opinion of jujitsu, so I quit. It was probably 7 years before I decided to give it a try again, at a different school. I'm a member of a Marcelo Alonso school now.
I agree that strength and size can be a huge factor all other things being equal, but when you run up against a guy like Renato Tavares 47 years old, 145 pounds and 6th dan black belt. Your size and strength don't mean shit. So... technique (learning so much technique as to make it very not equal) is far superior but most of us will never get to that level. So size and strength matter a whole lot to us!!!!!
One of our instructors is a female black belt and once said she’s happy with doing well against the male purples in our gym and she’s not little either
The premise is easily tested...take 10 women blackbelts and have them roll with 10 male white belts, then 10 male blue belts, then 10 male purple belts, etc. At a certain point the women will lose most of the matches.
Part of this comes from people want to believe that the under dog can win the day. The other is Royce Gracie’s success in the early UFC, ok was a smaller fighter, but still the guy was (still is) no wimp, he’s a very athletic six footer with a lift time of function resistance training
In all out fighting. The ability to adapt to a larger opponent and to have different tactics is essential. As you should adapt to any opponent. If you are mentally intimidated by larger people you already lost. Instead of seeing the true advantages and disadvantages in the situations. There are many advantages for being smaller as well. Also I see things in terms of no rules fighting. Eye pokes, finger breaks and other tactics makes little difference on size for all out survival. If you are trying to be a sporty person in just one style. Of course size can make a difference your both doing the exact same thing(techniques) following the exact same rules.
I think this is a good point but it's impossible to know the outcome. I've seen videos of powerlifter against a jiujitsu black belt , he put up a fight , he was incredibly strong and just got stomped after roughly a minute .
So do you still call out some of your students who are using or relying on way too much physical strength? We have some 300+ pound guys in our school who I can't even close my guard around and I'm 5'9". They are instructed to learn and master technique now and then later add their strength to it once they have mastered the techniques. If they get into the habit of overly relying on their strength what will happen to their skills once they get old or sick? How will they cope when they roll with others of similar size and even greater strength? There's always someone stronger, right. Very few people can go all out every day for years and not injure themselves or others plus prevent themselves from being burnt out. Some have expressed the desire to open their own schools once they reach Black Belt. How would they impart their God given beastly strength to someone who's physically weak? I actually agree with your view point in this video though.
Yes you’re very correct. That’s what teaching is all about for me. It’s the technique. However “training” to use a different word involves more than just technique. It’s the fuel and the power behind the movement that is also neccesary to an extent. I’m with you brother! 👍
Last year, when I started my adventure with BJJ, I weighed 81 kg. After 2 months of practice, I had a 5-minute training with 63 kg woman, a black belt, one of the best athletes in Europe. In 5 minutes she submit me about 8 times (I did not count). After less than a year of training, there was again a small sparring with the same woman. The number of sumisions has decreased to 3. I am still unable to threaten her. In my opinion, the Technician is crucial.
You do realize several light weight BJJ and Judoka defeated men hundreds of pounds heavier. Strength is useless without technique. Broad skill always trumps broad strength. That saying has been true for hundreds of years. Strength is never going to win without enough skill to back it up. I mean an unskilled bodybuilder, strongman or power lifter isn’t going to win against a highly skilled fighter. A Russian power lifter actually died to a middle weight MMA fighter in a street fight. And the power lifter was way over 300 ibs and was much taller in comparison. I don’t know how or why the fight happened but he died.
Not everyone wants to learn jiu jitsu for fighting, its not about being the toughest. Once you get past 20-25 years old you pretty much accept that there are millions of people tougher than you, and guns trump hand to hand combat so if you really want self defense, get a carry permit, and self defence can also start at just what choices you make, good self defence stratagy is to not go down to the local pub late at night alone lol, be smart People that just want to learn so they can mouth off more should be turned away.
Weight classes are there for a reason. David beat Goliath, but the odds weren't in his favor. If you really want to learn self defense, how to potentially defeat anyone of any size even multiple opponents then you better learn how to use a gun. You had also better make sure it's 100% self defense or the only grappling partner you'll have is your cellie.
Biggest lie #2..great in a street fight in a street fight there is going to be a bunch of people you could get sucker punched or kicked in the head while trying to take somebody down you got to be able to throw hands as well... One on one street fights rarely happen nowadays
The biggest lie in Jiu Jitsu is when someone tells you "let's roll light"
Ahahahahahhahahahahaha so true... :'D
lol. True
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What does rolling light even mean?
I've seen it work, like a few times, between guys of equal skill and low ego... They basically took turns at catch and release... Also seen it between females and higher belts... but I certainly can't do it.
The Six “S’s” are Speed, Strength, Stamina, Skill, Strategy, and Spirit.
When you have all six, you are dangerous.
I like that!
TeachMeGrappling Coach Brian This originated from Dr Gyi of Bando fame, but was relayed to me by Guro Dan Inosanto.
I deserve zero credit except for being a good student and paying attention. 🙏
Where is the "save/star/favorite comment" button on TH-cam?
@@sahinsarkar7293 Wow, huge compliment.🙏 I am super happy you like “The S Rule” as much as I do.
@@TeachMeGrappling I now live in Palm Desert, California so it looks like I am going to have to find a way to meet you one of these days. ⚔️🥊🙏🤺💪❤️☝️💯🏋️♀️👊🥋👍
Robert Abreu said it best, something like "Strenght is your gas bedal, but technique is your steering wheel."
Exactly!!!
perfect analogy!
and steroids are your NOS
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George St. Pierre said: "You can be the best driver in the world, but you can't win if you're driving a shitty car".
There was this huge guy who used to train in the same gym and every time he got caught in a triangle he escaped just by pushing his opponent away so hard that the guys just gave up the triangle in order not to get their leg broken. He would usually say: Technique is great until the power explodes! :)
Yep
@@TeachMeGrappling then what to do...coach ???...spot the weakest pressure points and attack like the 'V' shape neck part just above the collar bone or joint part where we cannot flex...???
I’m not following you completely. If a man is too big and strong for your technique, you can 1. Get better at the technique. 2. Try using a different technique to find a weakness. 3. Get stronger/faster. 4. Persevere until your opponent tires out, then try it again. 5. Work on better timing and setups. Hope this helps!! 👍
@@TeachMeGrappling hmm...yeah wait for the perfect timing...I agree 💪👌👍
@@ashemleibakngambamoirangch5416You're not going to face someone absurdly stronger than you in sport, that's what weight categories are for. In the street, size may overcome technique, but an effective weapon overcomes size.
For me the biggest reason to be strong in grappling is to avoid injury. I like consistently getting stronger and constantly roll at ~80%. It dramatically decreases the risk of injuries and in the long run will give better results, imo.
In my personal experience, I always have a tougher time dealing with bigger, more aggressive and less technical guys rather than lighter, smoother and more technical guys. Sometimes just having someone go full throttle and really try to attack you will be worse than just dealing with someone who is simply just better than you.
In my limited experience, the biggest lie in BJJ is that it's "safe". Obviously safety is relative. But a lot of people encouraging others to get into BJJ act like it's the same as joining a spin class or something. It's not. You will get hurt. Not necessarily career ending, life changing hurt. But you're not going from first class to blue belt without a few busted lips and tweaked muscles, etc.
This is the way.
@@billphillips7830 This is the way.
Guaranteed when you get up, you will be reminded you had class yesterday. 😅
Love this and totally agree. Even though I am brand new to this ( only had one class), I have been athletic my entire life, and am 55 yrs young, 6' 225 lbs. Lifetime of football, Marine Corps, amateur boxing and weight training. I have a huge advantage to begin with, but will stay humble and learn the techniques and drills. Lack of flexibility is one of my weaknesses as well as learning to not gas myself trying to use brute strength. I am looking forward to the journey. Goal is to have my black belt by age 65 training 3 times per week @ 3 hr sessions. Oss.
Awesome! Sounds great!! Good luck to you on your journey and thanks for watching!!
How's it going, Greg?
Technique is a force multiplier. Strenght is power itself. You need both.
strength is the force multiplier. technique is about angles of pressure.
Well said ...
@@angrychickin Strength is literally just another word for force.
@@MarcoDGallego sure if u want to simplify it. strength typically refers to muscle contraction though.
@@angrychickin Stop it. Strength is force.
idk why people view strength as a negative in jits. in wrestling, I
would always compliment guys on being able to muscle out of things.
strength is just one aspect of grappling, along with flexibility,
technique, speed, agility, and temperment.
similar to what Chewy says, nobody ever says you only got out of that because you're fast or you're flexible, or because you were calm and waited for the right moment, but for some reason, strength is viewed as a giant negative.
Exactly
tyler, very true but BJJ has such complexity that when im called strong, it tells me that my skills and understanding were low and that I spent a ton of energy because I didnt have an efficient way to move. I like being strong but I do understand why it can be and has been an annoying compliment
Being able to is awesome, but doing so in practice is bad, bcs it teaches you bad habits that'll screw you when going against a stronger person.
If a woman has got me in a locked in submission, I get nothing out of muscling out bcs that won't work against anyone my size. Instead I should work on sensible late stage defense.
This has been the biggest thing that I have had to come to terms with as a thin, relatively weak guy. I try to lift weights and get stronger but my body really doesn’t respond well to strength training. I’ve come to accept the fact that I just need to focus on getting as good as I can, while maintaining whatever level of strength I can achieve, and at the same time I have to accept that I will never be as strong as a lot of the guys that I train with so I will never be able to truly compete with them.
After 8 years of training and plateau in my early fifties, my jiujutsu got better after starting gym work. It’s like a cheat code if you have technique as well.
Instructor Vader: Luke, technique is not everything.
Black belt Luke: No.... NO!!! THATS IMPOSSIBLE!!!!! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
HahahahahahAaa
Love the honesty and clarity of your explanations
KOOL JUST RECOGNIZED U!! STARTED MY GRAPPLING/JUJITSU W/FERG & U WAY BACK IN OXNARD MID 90'S!! KEEP IT ROLLING😀
Awesome brother! It’s hard to remember back then but I hope you are doing well!!! Thanks for supporting!
6:56 is 100% correct! Even Marcelo Garcia the king of technique is ridiculously strong! Even Eddie Bravo said, how crazy strong his grips were. Great to see someone who keeps honest!!!
This is also why Cus D'amato couldn't beat up Mike Tyson.
@Yanushka Gunawardena Tyson's technique definitely became better than Cus's, but I think the statement of Cus not being able to beat Tyson still applied even when Tyson started learning. Cus had the moves and the strategy, but not the strength/speed/power/spirit necessary to take him. Even when Tyson was just a novice.
Another similarity would be BJJ coach John Danaher and his student Gordan Ryan. Gordan speaks a lot about Danaher like Tyson speaks of Cus. Danaher has tons of knowledge and practically downloads it into Gordon, but even with all of his knowledge, he wouldn't be able to take Gordon.
Let's not forget that a real fight never takes place in a prize ring.
One of the Gracie’s spoke of this. He explained... as you age(40-50+)... your diminished speed reduces you one belt(I.e. black to brown). He also explained a larger opponent also reduces you one belt. If that makes any sense. Size and age does matter. It matters in boxing; why not grappling.
yep and in street fights ever punch landed lowers a belt hahaha. im a white belt who got my ass kicked by a guy that outweighed me by sixty pounds in the street. and im in my forties. so yeah. i went from white belt to zero in a matter of seconds
As an instructor, I always push correct technique even when the student is strong enough to pull the skill off with strength. I tell them how much better they will be if they have technique to add to their natural skills.
I agree, If there is too much of a strength and weight difference the lighter person is very unlikely to win. I know twins who were black belts in their teens under their father who was a Japanese Juijutsu master, they are both under 5ft and weight less than 50kg, although technically they are very strong, they don't have the strength to counter the strength of a much bigger person. You mean dynamic muscles. Age is also a big factor, which is why much older fighters especially if the younger fighter is in their 20's where they have far more energy. I have trained with a Judo instructor who I would not beat, it took me 3 months to be able to stop him destroying me, but his technique made a huge difference. nice video!
So glad this channel is back.
your awesome bro... So glad you have your channel. Keep it going! Oss !
You deliver and communicate very well. I enjoyed this vid. I like that you dont cuss in your videos.
I definitely try not to on videos... in daily life.... 🙈
this is right on. the problem comes, however, when the bigger stronger guy is careless with his smaller training partners. that's when people get hurt
This feels like having a heart-to-heart talk with your Coach.
watching it in 2019. I've beeing training for 5 years and only now I'm understanding these things
If strength didn't matter.. Women could compete against men. It'll take a second degree black belt woman against a blue belt man (same weight) to make it kinda even.. This answers all questions
How do you explain Helio Gracie who modified techniques to work for him because he was frail and weak person? He and his brother Carlos were the reason BJJ became what it was and it was Royce Gracie who showed the world you could beat larger, stronger and more athletic opponents. Just asking?
i love you keeping it REAL!!! thx again
Every fourty pounds of muscle is good for a belt advantage. Strength and size are definite advantages
So for a white belt to beat a black belt he needs 160lbs of muscle advantage? If a guy has 160lbs of muscle on you and you try to grapple with him he will literally rip your arms off.
I remember when Ronda Rousey said she could defeat Mike Tyson... and a lot of ppl believed her... Ridiculous comparison she made, I think now she doesn't think the same way. Nice video.
Kick to the head changed her mind, I guess.
@@rolandboss9045 Ronda rouse is delusional
@@rolandboss9045 everyone's got a plan until...
idk man
Did she say in Boxing? or in MMA?
I could see her take 1 of 10 fights. I don't think Mike did any grappling.
Also it's the current Mike right, not in his prime?
Coach Peterson, l am a MMA Coach with a BBJ, Catch Wrestling, Judo and Sambo background. I have 17 years in BBJ and l can't agree more that Technics vs strength is situational to a great extent. Size, physical condition, tactical knowledge can affect the final outcome of a fight. Looking back to the early 90's when BBJ was relatively unknown in main stream American, BBJ was expressed to illustrate survival against a stronger opponent. I saw how effective BBJ was and is today. Many of the Black Belts were physically fit, but they weren't built like some kind of Olympic Wrestler;
Since the 90's BBJ practitioners have evolved and many include strength and conditioning as well as other aspects of other grappling arts in their BBJ. Many who complete in both submission and MMA, rely on both Technic and strength training executed through repetition. I think this is where grappling live today. Respectfully
Coach AL
Well said! Thank you.
Coach. I totally agree with you!!
I agree with you man,in Martial Arts especially full contact combat sports we ought to use force or strength intelligently and the 2 go together strength and technique.
Technique is the most efficient use of strength. If two people have the same technique but one is stronger, they normally have the advantage.
I think this argument generally holds well under modern competition rules. A five or ten minute fight favours the stronger, heavier opponent. Would the same argument hold for a 30+ minute fight? Time is a serious factor for the bigger stronger opponents. I suppose there are so many factors to look at and without a doubt to excel in all qualities is best.
Yes these same thoughts enter my head but in the hypothetical... if all other things are "equal", then the length of time shouldn't change it. It should only wear out the weaker/smaller fighter. There may be a size problem due to physics however. At some point, an athlete can be too big to be effective. This is an interesting thought. Of course in my video I'm speaking of a Marcelo Garcia vs a Marcelo Garcia that is 15 lbs bigger and stronger. Thank you!
It takes more energy for the smaller guy to attack or defend the bigger guy, Unless you can rest while they wear out. Say you grab big guys wrist how easy can he get out, how much energy does he use. Now say big guy grabs your wrist how easy can you get out, how much energy did you use.
Ive hit my 40th year on this flying rock. I have been reading a lot about what to expected for the next 40 if continuing with JJ. The older I get the more I will have to get use to not winning or eventually even thinking about winning. lucky I have a good mind set about not winning already. tap me out 10 or 110 times. I will be back for the 11th or 111th.
Outstanding attitude!!! You will go far! 💪
I'm 5'11" 215 lbs, left leg above knee amputee. I'm a very strong guy, and get lots of comments about my grip strength. I regularly roll with a powerlifter that is 6'3" 245 lbs. There is little I can do against that guy. He submits me way more than I submit him, but because of his size, weight, and strength, I'm always fighting from a bad position. No one else at my gym is like this guy. I literally stay injured because not only is this guy big, heavy, and strong, but he also tries to kill me every time we roll. I'm a strong guy, but not near as strong as that guy. On the other end, I regularly roll with a 120 lb female. I can totally control her with little effort, but instead of crushing her with my strength, I let her work technique and I work on relaxing and countering her technique.
jujitsu training will make your body stronger over the years of perfecting technique. they work hand in hand.
Not nearly as much as a proper barbell program though. You get strong by specifically training for strength. You can't just do BJJ and hope to get powerlifter strong as a byproduct. And as you perfect your technique you will actually use LESS strength, not more.
Robert Drysdale vs. Marcelo Garcia.. PERFECT EXAMPLE at what is being discussed.. Marcelo one of the best to ever do it technique wise, gets darce choked by a much larger Drysdale with also very good technique.
Great example!
the biggest lie in this game is that gi makes you better with no gi, absolutely nonsensical
The gi is a crutch. Gi is sport unto itself.
@@bluedogguy i'd say the gi is a weapon, it's not part of our bodies, obviously. many moves that i can hit with bathrobe (gi) i can't hit without because i just don't get the same "pull" from a no gi collar tie for example, i can't quite make out from from your comment whether you agree that gi is utter bullshit when it comes to getting good without but i sure hope you agree
people who believe that a bathrobe can make you a better grappler without bathrobe should go down to their local wrestling club and tell those guys to start practicing with bathrobes, sheer and utter nonsense!
i hate the expression "no gi", like this is something "complemantary", NOO!!! to wrestle using only our BODIES is the fundamental way of course , everything else is complenantary!
@@peterharkness9749 Completely agree. The gi is completely outdated and doesn't make you a better no-gi grappler. The people that tell you that want you to take gi classes.
Very wise
Thanks
I am old, I am inflexible.
I am slow
I am HEAVY - 242 pounds
I am cunning.
I want good technique.
Meantime, I use my weight.
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I agree with you for the most part. Strength will take you a long way but unless someone is seriously outmatched the gap isnt impossible to make up for. Look at Pedro Sauer vs Lance Batchelor (sp?) as an example of extreme technique vs extreme strength. I can bench press a guy (250 lbs) I train with and toss him off my chest. But when I roll with purple belts who are a lot weaker than me I always get tapped no matter how much force I use simply because I don't understand what they're doing until it's too late. They wear me out, get into position, and that's it for me.
Edit: And then I watched the rest of the video and saw you say pretty much the same thing...
People focus too much on technique. Its not just about technique it is also the timing of the technique. There are also other factors of how you put things together. At the end of the day people crying about power and strength are just being salty. There is no 1 only correct way to bjj. Everyone, based on their attributes (physical and mental), has to find the best way forward for themselves.
For example if you are strong then you utilise strength and maybe have a more top heavy game. If you are flexible then you probably play certain types of guard game. If you have fast twitch muscles then you rely on speed. If you have speed of thought or intelligence then you rely on deception etc. In a nutshell you tailor what you learn to your own attributes. Dont just try to blindly copy. Technique is not the be all and end all it just gives you the short cuts or the most efficient way in terms of energy expended and outcome achieved.
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For my body type and current weight, I can't pull off crazy triangles... But my side controls are amazing. Find your niche and keep things realistic is what i learned from this video.
That’s right!
I'll take stamina over strength any day, however technique will eventually overcome most situations. Functional strength is another thing altogether. Thanks for having a frank discussion about this topic. Pretty cool to see Nic interact on your channel also - BJJ is a small world.
I really do wonder what people mean by functional strength. Are you implying that strength from training heavy squats and deadlifts isn't functional? Strength training isn't endless barbell curls.
Functional in the sense that you are applying the strength gained from a specific endeavor. Not to be too esoteric about it, I can't bench press as much as someone who benches weights every day, the same can be said about my ability to grab, hold and advance a position in BJJ with a gi versus someone who doesn't train BJJ. You can train in marathons or cross-fit competitions - these may help but will never replace actually rolling gi or no-gi.
I agree only to a certain degree..... strength, technique, timing, patients. It's what the games about. I would have to say technique is 40% strength 25% timing 20% patients 15%. I read this article also and I have had the privilege of training with Michelle nicolini. I talked to her about it she agreed with me that high level Jiu jitsu relies on technique first then strength then timing lastly patients. I don't agree with the example because you've not talking about just strength..... you're talking Primal instinct....
@@salim_ras totally not functional. strongman athletes dont train those lifts and neither do any combat athletes.
@@RAPEDBYBLACKSSquats and deadlifts are part of strongmen competitions. And strength athletes, bodybuilders and other athletes DO do squats and deadlifts in general.
Man what you said makes total sense! I agree with you sir.
As a 165lb man that grew up in Chicago & has aquired 3 different belts including a brown in BJJ & a state championship in Wrestling. I like to think that I have above average technique. As well, from growing up where I did, I have the Heart of a Warrior! I ran into "Jo-Jo", one night at the club where I was Head of Security! He was an aggressive 400lb Samoan kid that was 12-15 years younger than me!
I took him to school that day! He probibly still walks with a limp, thinking of me when it rains! Having that Heart from growing up fighting to stay alive & out of the street gangs gives me an advantage over 99.9% of the men I've faced in battle! By no means am I the baddest guy around! I just haven't found him in my 47 years!
Cool story!
^ Bro
The technique combine with the physical strength you have, is what made the difference. If you are a state champion wrestler and a Brown belt in BJJ, you are stronger than a regular 165pound human.
Ok. : |
Two opponents all things being equal except one is larger and stronger, likely larger/stronger “wins” under sport rules. We have very high level small and large guys but they rarely exchange which I think is unfortunate. At 5’8 185 45 yo just about purple, I will roll with anyone from our 360lb blue or 320lb brown on down to our 120 lb white. If I was to fight for real, my biggest threat would be a guy about my size (I am very strong former power lifter) but with superior technique not just in grappling but striking. The mental crazy factor is one aspect you have to consider as well. That guy that will keep going without quitting. Cardio is a huge part too once you can defend higher belts attacks and you are a threat back to them regardless of size. Larger guys might have more torque but its rarely focused and they burn gas too fast. Smaller guys might just not be a threat even with superior skills. That 190-230 lb that can take the punishment yet maneuver faster than big guys with mor endurance or dominate smaller guys positionally is in my opinion the ideal size. Thanks for posting.
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I agree 100%...and strength and athleticism are key to enforcing your technique. There's a guy at my gym who is 6'8 who can easily throw me off of him. Im 6'1 and my knees don't even touch the floor in full mount! I'm a white belt, but it occurred to me I would need to train to at least a purple belt AND hit the weights and run/swim to develop a good strong heart to endure a long match if I ever faced such an opponent. I realize the things Im learning as a white belt would be ineffective against such a man. So strategies change depending on size and weight and the athleticism of the opponent. I suppose that is why there are weight divisions in sport bjj?
Instead of Buchecha, the article should now say "Roger Gracie". lol
Haha!! Good one! 🤣
strenght is a factor yes, so if you have it dont use it if is not needed just to hold and burn your self out especially against a high level opponent that knows how to ride the storm
Hmmm I agree to an extent but at the same time based on real world evidence: the reign of Royce, Bas vs Randleman, Yarbrough vs Takase (difference of a few hundred pounds), basically any Pride Fight, Dempsey vs Willard, basically any Tyson fight, and on and on... show that sufficient technique does trump strength and weight advantage (even when fighting skilled opponents).
It's great to see you back! Also, invest in a mic so we can hear you better and drop the extended intro - the shirt does the job :)
100%
wait, how does Royce's reign prove that? The only dude he fought who had anywhere near his grappling skill was Ken Shamrock (and he was still levels below if you ask me). In the case of Yarbrough vs. Takase, you are overlooking a glaring disadvantage Emanual suffered from, which was very limited mobility due to his size. By 'skilled opponents' they don't mean just anybody who just trained at anything, but somebody who is a very good grappler but it's a beast. A better way to look at it is if Royce had to fight a heavier and stronger clone of himself, who would win.
Perfectly stated. Just a thought... was Royce more technical at BJJ than Matt Hughes??? It certainly didn't look like it. Maybe it had something to do with strength and other attributes than just technique???
Thank you :) I agree (which is why I said 'I agree to an extent') that strength, age and the other factors you mentioned do play a role in fighting - I just disagree that a person can reach a point where there physical qualities will overcome everyone physically inferior regardless of skill level.
In the Hughes fight, was Matt better at jiu jitsu? I don't know, was he better (in that event) at maintaining heavy top control than Royce was at escaping - based on the fight - you have to say yes.
So, not to discredit Royce, I'd say it was a case of a more skilled (in a specific area) person (who also happened to be bigger and stronger) defeating a less skilled person (in that area) as opposed to pure physicality vs skill.
Look. Royce Gracie is a terrible example to use. Royce fought in an era where he had something no one else had. Which amounts to "technique is king if everyone else has absolutely no technique whatsoever."
He literally fought a guy wearing one boxing glove.
When things had progressed for the rest of the budding mma world just a short time later, their was no Royce beating people of any weight. He became rather average.
Boss, thank you for the video!
Great chanel! Thank you!
The thing that will help is having a strategy and good tactics I think fight IQ will aid you, if you have no strategy you have no victory
I thought the biggest lie was that it was Brazilian?
Lol...true
Bundy 4Prez
Lol
True story pal.
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Yeah, kinda like American Football. It evolved from an ancient roman sport. Your point?
@@Tentacl American footbal - "safty first", RUGBY without body protection:
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So true im bjj black belt 67kg and that's exactly what been happened to me.
Martial arts works like this. X and Y. X is technique and Y is ability. Sometimes your opponent is so far out on the Y axis, forget about it.
At first I disagreed until he gave the hypothetical situation. Good point!!!
Ryron and Rener Gracie refer to it as Boyd belts. an age diff of 10 years or weight diff of 20 lbs is approximately a belt. for example two guys same weight one is 30 yrs older. the older man is black belt, younger is blue belt. 3 belts awarded theoretically to younger , purple, brown, black = TOUGH FIGHT.
The Gracies have a formula for this.
I forget how it goes exactly but for example a small BJJ black becomes a purple belt when facing somebody who outweighs him by 50 pounds or more.
Yes I’ve heard them explain it. Pretty cool.
the Boyd rule they call it.
Seems like I've heard 20 or 25 lb. adds a belt... But it might depend on some basic bjj knowledge/experience and a reasonably athletic build as a start (and not just fat, as the added weight)... And for me, at 50 yo. I think maybe every 10 or 15 years over 35ish takes away a belt... Which sucks for us old ass white belts, gettin tapped all day lol.
@@prybarknives change your expectations. Going a round without losing dominant position is a win.
what if u catch a blue belt as a 3 month white belt into an armbar that outweighs u by 100 pounds?
Rener and Ryron call it a Boyd belt scale. Every 10 years and 20 pounds equals a belt. 30 year old purple and 20 year old blue are more or less equal. 30 year old 160 lbs purple and 30 year old 180 lbs blue are more or less equal
I'm 5'6 145 lbs and submit guys that are bigger than me. However, I lose to guys that have technique and strength. BJJ does not make a person invincible. However, it provides equity for smaller people.
I agree with that article 100%
Wait i always thought the biggest lie in Jiu-jitsu was the Helio Gracie invented leverage/ and the origin story about him being too sick to practice and he learned everything from watching his brothers then they were late to teach a lesson and Helio was magically all better and took all the provate students etc .lol
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I never heard all of that.
If strength An’s size did not matter there would not be weight categories in combative sports.
you are amazing..... cant thank you enough for ALL your info/
People view strenght as negative because the idea that technique surpass strenght is the epitome of Bjj/Grappling. That was promoted and sold as so
There is a reason for weight classes. Having said that, very rarely do you see an Absolute gi or no gi winner that is under 170lbs. In fact, it is has never happened in ADCC Absolute history. Marcelo Garcia has come close but he's a rare talent and on that 170lb border
Yes! I'm a pretty strong guy, for an old guy... So some of the guys call me "old man strength" I frickin love it! But I also get why this 2% body fat power lifter we have, who is a blue belt but can tap most everyone but the black belts, doesn't like to hear- it's because you are so strong... but it is! Purple belts get him in an Americana and he just lays there, easily fighting off two arms with his one massive one. But he also learns fast and even on his own... so yeah, he's a scary effing blue belt.
In the end of the day all martial arts is is trying to find the truth about what we should do to become as close as we can to perfect at fighting. At least this is my take on it. Everyone has certain athletic attributes and I believe its beneficial for one to exploit the ones that he can always rely on. My wording here is kind of weird so let me give you an example: The suplex is a move I love, I am a short and stocky guy, certainly not the strongest out there, but I can rely that my strength will be enough to lift my opponent, even if he is 300 or whatever pounds I can suplex them, similarly I can rely on deadlifting them in the double under into a front headlock, regardless of size, because my leg's strength can beat their weight. Simirarly, a really tall guy can rely on him being able to put a body triangle on his opponent. I believe we should try to find the best technique in the context of our athletic abilities, I wouldnt for instance recomend a suplex to a really thin guy. The issue I see with a lot of people is trying to do technique that does not work on everyone, and that may piss people off. For instance a 200 guy using all arm strength against a 150 guy will build him a bad habit, because if his opponent is 300 pounds then suddenly his "technique" is gone. Obviously some people have an advantage, but my conclusion at least is that you dont have to be athletically gifted to be athletic. But you have to be athletic, you may not be strong, but you may be durable, you will have something. Obviously some people are born with more, but thats just how things are.
I appreciate this explanation. Sometimes I beat myself up for not submitting every 200lb white, blue or purple belt, when I think I should, based on my level of experience.
I'm 115lb. It's unrealistic. I tell myself at least they can't submit me, and with such a disadvantage, that's a win to me..
strength is everything
What's up Brian been a long time hope you remember me Robert Villegas from Oxnard ca, you used to coach me freestyle wrestling I'm Luis Reyes brother he wrestled for you for CIHS just wanted to see how you doing and say what's up man hope all is good
Aw that sucks because you're small. But I see even though you're small your techniques and physical strength are incredible together!💔
HEY, all you have to do to prove the theory is have a competition of 100 black belt women vs 100 black belt men and see how it plays out. I'm gonna go with the stronger men. I'll bet anyone on here with 2 to 1 odds.
If an untrained Hafthor Bjornson rolled with Eddie Bravo, what would happen? I think Eddie could obviously beat many untrained men with weight advantage, but it's to an extent
I remember being discouraged when I first started really rolling about how much strength and athleticism matter. I first became fascinated by Helio Gracie's story of being weak and needing to adapt a martial art to overcome strength descrepancies, so I was surprised that on the mats so much strength comes into play.
Ya my first school was one of those "your so strong bro" schools where nobody will roll with you cause they no you will tap them with strength, and make them look bad. Im 6'3 240lbs, and I always lift heavy. It doesn't help that I trained Combat Cambo for awhile. Then they started blaming that for their losses too. That place totally ruined my opinion of jujitsu, so I quit. It was probably 7 years before I decided to give it a try again, at a different school. I'm a member of a Marcelo Alonso school now.
I agree that strength and size can be a huge factor all other things being equal, but when you run up against a guy like Renato Tavares 47 years old, 145 pounds and 6th dan black belt. Your size and strength don't mean shit. So... technique (learning so much technique as to make it very not equal) is far superior but most of us will never get to that level. So size and strength matter a whole lot to us!!!!!
Great point. It's all relative. Renato is so good that will take a very big strong guy with serious skills just to make it even!
He better hope he doesn't run into JoJo in a dark alley is all I'm saying
I’ve seen average grapplers whom where very strong shut down great grapplers with average strength size isn’t part of it due to weight classes
One of our instructors is a female black belt and once said she’s happy with doing well against the male purples in our gym and she’s not little either
Can you talk about different styles of competition rules out there? Sub only, IBJJF, EBI, etc
Great subject! .... I will!
The premise is easily tested...take 10 women blackbelts and have them roll with 10 male white belts, then 10 male blue belts, then 10 male purple belts, etc. At a certain point the women will lose most of the matches.
Part of this comes from people want to believe that the under dog can win the day.
The other is Royce Gracie’s success in the early UFC, ok was a smaller fighter, but still the guy was (still is) no wimp, he’s a very athletic six footer with a lift time of function resistance training
So pretty much he was saying it's better to stay on your feet. Debate over.
In all out fighting. The ability to adapt to a larger opponent and to have different tactics is essential. As you should adapt to any opponent. If you are mentally intimidated by larger people you already lost. Instead of seeing the true advantages and disadvantages in the situations. There are many advantages for being smaller as well. Also I see things in terms of no rules fighting. Eye pokes, finger breaks and other tactics makes little difference on size for all out survival. If you are trying to be a sporty person in just one style. Of course size can make a difference your both doing the exact same thing(techniques) following the exact same rules.
Great points!! 👍
I think this is a good point but it's impossible to know the outcome. I've seen videos of powerlifter against a jiujitsu black belt , he put up a fight , he was incredibly strong and just got stomped after roughly a minute .
So do you still call out some of your students who are using or relying on way too much physical strength? We have some 300+ pound guys in our school who I can't even close my guard around and I'm 5'9". They are instructed to learn and master technique now and then later add their strength to it once they have mastered the techniques. If they get into the habit of overly relying on their strength what will happen to their skills once they get old or sick? How will they cope when they roll with others of similar size and even greater strength? There's always someone stronger, right. Very few people can go all out every day for years and not injure themselves or others plus prevent themselves from being burnt out. Some have expressed the desire to open their own schools once they reach Black Belt. How would they impart their God given beastly strength to someone who's physically weak? I actually agree with your view point in this video though.
Yes you’re very correct. That’s what teaching is all about for me. It’s the technique. However “training” to use a different word involves more than just technique. It’s the fuel and the power behind the movement that is also neccesary to an extent. I’m with you brother! 👍
Where are you located?always good tricks you post.thanks.
Valencia, CA. petersongrapplers.com
Last year, when I started my adventure with BJJ, I weighed 81 kg. After 2 months of practice, I had a 5-minute training with 63 kg woman, a black belt, one of the best athletes in Europe. In 5 minutes she submit me about 8 times (I did not count). After less than a year of training, there was again a small sparring with the same woman. The number of sumisions has decreased to 3. I am still unable to threaten her. In my opinion, the Technician is crucial.
you are probably really weak and passive, in other words ' a little bitch boy'
You do realize several light weight BJJ and Judoka defeated men hundreds of pounds heavier.
Strength is useless without technique.
Broad skill always trumps broad strength. That saying has been true for hundreds of years.
Strength is never going to win without enough skill to back it up.
I mean an unskilled bodybuilder, strongman or power lifter isn’t going to win against a highly skilled fighter.
A Russian power lifter actually died to a middle weight MMA fighter in a street fight. And the power lifter was way over 300 ibs and was much taller in comparison.
I don’t know how or why the fight happened but he died.
If you do not have the strength to control your opponent.... you will not be able to execute your technique.
This is why my 100 pound 14 year old is starting in the Olympic weightlifting club this year.
Not everyone wants to learn jiu jitsu for fighting, its not about being the toughest.
Once you get past 20-25 years old you pretty much accept that there are millions of people tougher than you, and guns trump hand to hand combat so if you really want self defense, get a carry permit, and self defence can also start at just what choices you make, good self defence stratagy is to not go down to the local pub late at night alone lol, be smart
People that just want to learn so they can mouth off more should be turned away.
Ive used martial arts to either defend myself or my training enabled me to keep situations from escalating because i was calm
Weight classes are there for a reason.
David beat Goliath, but the odds weren't in his favor.
If you really want to learn self defense, how to potentially defeat anyone of any size even multiple opponents then you better learn how to use a gun. You had also better make sure it's 100% self defense or the only grappling partner you'll have is your cellie.
For sure Brian.
Biggest lie #2..great in a street fight in a street fight there is going to be a bunch of people you could get sucker punched or kicked in the head while trying to take somebody down you got to be able to throw hands as well... One on one street fights rarely happen nowadays