Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria 2 | Detransition Boogaloo
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- The sequel you've all been waiting for! Or probably not because you didn't know I was making it!
Lisa Littman, despite being cancelled forever, has apparently got permanent funding to do endless bad research in the name of making life worse for trans people! Yay! I'm sure getting a movement based on pseudoscience to direct public policy has NEVER been a bad idea... has it?
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Sources and Reading
Lisa’s Terrible Study Rides Again
link.springer....
The Much Better Turban Study
www.ncbi.nlm.n...
One of Lisa’s (non twitter) “sources”
pubmed.ncbi.nl...
James Cantor’s Whiny Not-Science Blog (read to mock only)
www.sexologytod...
EPF Report (TERFs are funded by the right)
www.epfweb.org...
A good brief summary of Transition being proven to be effective
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"the sample. it's 100 people." wow I can't believe they managed to round up every detransitioner for that paper, got to hand that one to em
well they did go on tumblr...
I even have a reason for the "gained popularity after transitioning" - people who feel like they can express their authentic selves tend to be happier, more confident and outgoing. So, transitioning didn't change popularity, the change in outlook on their own lives did.
That could be true! But this study is too bad to tell if that even happens, whoopsie!
"only 35% think they were convinced by someone else that they were trans" and I'd argue that even that figure even within Littman's ridiculous sample is probably inflated. I credit the first time someone asked me what my pronouns were as a lightbulb moment, because it hadn't occurred to me that I HAD options besides "he" before then, and even though the reason it was significant was that it followed years of "wishing I was a girl", I can almost guarantee she'd spin it into my friend convincing me I was trans
i second this. literally no person ever has told me that i am trans. Even when i was questioning and visited trans support groups, NO ONE EVER tried to tell me who i am, even if i asked. Ever.
But there were quite a lot of people who told me that i might just be a "confused cis person" 😂
"Convinced by someone else" is such a wide terminology it can mean everything and anything.
Even just, for example, learning some things in a youtube video, which will then push you to question yourself and discover you are trans, can arguably be phrased "being convinced by someone else". That doesn't mean that youtuber specifically targeted you to "turn you trans" though. They just put the right data in front of you to motivate you to look inward.
As evidenced in part by the increased number of Millennials and Zoomers who identify as something other than strictly cishet, I'd suggest that the number of people who've historically been prematurely and erroneously "convinced" that they are cishet is much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much higher. Where's the moral panic around the vast (and verifiable) cishet grooming conspiracy, eh?
How much you wanna bet that the next Lisa Littman paper is gonna cite Tinder bios
Found you through your convo with Demon Mama. I'm really glad i did, cause your videos breaking down rogd are really consice yet exhaustive, and from now on you will forever be on my mental citation list if i want someone to learn about the topic.
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True story, I first realized I was trans very shortly after your first video on this topic from a year ago. I was questioning at the time, and looking up as many resources on trans identities as I could find. To an outside observer, it might seem very much like I had rapid onset gender dysphoria. After all, I showed no outward signs of being trans earlier in life, I did not have a childhood narrative, and I was never overtly gender nonconforming. It would look like my trans identity came on all of a sudden.
Here's the problem though. For starters, I came out at a relatively late age, and I'm actually older than the majority of trans content creators you could name. I don't have childhood memories of gender dysphoria because I didn't know what it was, and the tools and language to describe it did not exist at the time. I have had treatment-resistant depression since adolescence, and that's one of the most common correlations or misdiagnoses of gender dysphoria. It was my skepticism that led me into questioning, because I had to challenge what society has been telling me about who I'm supposed to be, about gender roles, dichotomies, and hierarchies. Systems of authority depend on blind obedience and adherence to assigned roles, and breaking out of those ingrained ideas is what led me to this point.
Nobody told me that I'm nonbinary agender and genderflor (a form of genderfluid that does not encompass masculine or feminine). It's not like there's a lot of representation thereof, and those identities are rare even within the trans community. I had to figure that out on my own.
So you became trans after seeing a video on youtube and then doing a ton of online research on your own to affirm your own feelings. I think this is how a lot of people get the idea of joining the trans culture. You had depression since childhood, and you were told that could be a sign of gender dysphoria. If you saw a therapists and talked about how you were feeling and got to the underlying factors instead of self diagnosing urself from the internet and social media maybe you would be on a different path
@@The_Critique And maybe they wouldn't? I had the same thing happen to me a few months ago, something caught my interest, i ended up questioning myself and didn't really reach any conclusion. Nothing much changed about my life but that little bit never really went away? It still confuses me to this day. I probably ended up understanding that I don't fit neatly into societal roles and boxes but that's it's too much of a bother to jump ship into the unknown for me so whatever. Maybe i will feel different in a few years, would either be more brave and the environment more supportive of wild experiments, or it will just fizzle out or it will remain the same. Anything is okay with me i guess, it just isn't high on my priority list at the moment.
Also way to be condescending with your comment lol.
How do you know they didn't talk to therapists? And why do transphobes always assume they can read minds?
You're trying to psychoanalyse based on a youtube comment, which is not a game you want to play in MY comments mate.
Im sorry, but I dont know what ur trying to say. What caught ur attention? What did you question about your self? What is the "little bit " that didnt go away. You do sound very confised
@@PsychoSocialism they said " i did a lot of research on my own and didnt tell anyone" basically
You are amazing and this video is perfect. I watched one of your videos on Berserk as well as the first part to this video last night, and you’ve gone above and beyond in impressing me: keep up the awesome work!
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Your support matters a lot comrade! Thank you
I am from Poland. "LGBT free zones" are a sad reality for us, but they are not actually the zones where we are discriminated... because we are actually discriminated in the whole damned country. Really, it makes almost no difference if your city is "LGBT free zone" or not, it's just the name (a sad name, we hate it, but it's just for show, it's a form of dog whistle to show alt-right that the government has their back). Bigger cities are usually easier for LGBT people, also west is usually more tolerant, but well... Being a nonheteronormative person here just sucks. I am so sad because of this, especially since I would be useless outside my country (I am specializing in polish as a subject - language, art, etc. and history, so... I am pretty much screwed, living is a nightmare). I even love my country. It sounds weird, but I do. I think our language is beautiful, our culture is rich and we experienced a lot of sh*t, since we were victims of colonization. Most people are even good, tolerant, but government is very antiLGBT+ and almost always sides with right wing, so it doesn't matter. Like I don't feel safe in my city, but I wouldn't feel safer anywhere in the world (because my town is tolerant, but there are always some bad people), but also... Me feeling safe is cool and all, but I would also like to have access to help I need and to not be discriminated by the state and laws?
I took a therapeutic visit to Poland once a few years ago, and I love your country. Everyone was friendly and as an appreciator of food and beer there was no place better to go, your history goes back farther than most. I hope that your country finds a way to rid itself of the rightwing elements that have wrested power recently.
I figured the "zones" were more a symptom of a larger reality and I'm sorry to hear it confirmed, but there is no reason to despair. Poland has been through every kind of tyranny known to man, and yet the people always found a way to move forward. The struggle continues, but know that the winds of change are pushing you forward.
There's a lot here that's so good, but I just wanna celebrate this beautiful analog of "...getting off the train a station or two early because you changed where you wanted to go. You didn't de-train-ride, right?" Oversimplification? Of course. Valid? Hell yeah. Love it 💜
Also OMG I'm the 69th "like" on this video
Nice 😎
The interesting thing about that analogy is that, when it comes to younger generations of trans people that grew up with the information on trans identities readily available on the internet, their process of discovery can happen the other way around. I know several trans people who thought they were nonbinary or genderqueer at first, and later realized they were binary instead.
In my case though, I had grown up thinking binary trans was the only possibility, and had ruled that out. I didn't know there were other possibilities, so it never occurred to me I could be one of those.
@@FrozEnbyWolf150 Exactly this. I also think that part of people having access to transitional care earlier in their lives also has interesting effects on their identities. When I started HRT at 16, I thought I was solidly a binary man. But that has slowly changed over time. Then I was a demiboy, then a nonbinary man, then masc-agender bigender, and now I'm nearly 19 years old and settled with it/its pronouns and a gender identity that can be best described as "masculine but only in queer ways, and feminine only in queer ways. No manhood or womanhood, just variants of butch gay and femme gay." Who's to say that I wouldn't have just stayed a binary man forever if I hadn't have been able to go on testosterone? Or maybe my path of identity would have been very different and ended up in an entirely different place. This evolving identity has changed a lot about what I want out of medical transition, including going from wanting to keep my vagina and uterus and ovaries to possibly carry a pregnancy to now being set up to have everything removed this winter, and going from wanting a phalloplasty with all the bells and whistles to talking with my local metioidioplasty surgeon and making an unofficial plan of surgery next year. Honestly, as my trans friends are able to start getting the access to trans care that they really want (hoping my partner is able to start T soon!), I really won't be surprised if their identities and ideas about what they want out of transition change as well with that joy HRT and surgery will hopefully bring them.
@@amiaswolfgang So you took drugs that effect your hormones and now your hormones are affected? What does Butch and Fem have to do with gender? You sad kids XD.
Ever consider this. In a world where you're not a bigot that thinks men act like Y and women act like X. Where you instead treat people with respect and equality rather than starting from bigoted stereotypes. How can a man be trans if he can do everything a woman can do and still be a man?
@@amiaswolfgang @FrozenWolf150 yeah! I lived in denial for so long because it took so long to consider anything beyond binaries. Despite my age, it's still early for me, and while I'm nervous about where things will go, this is an exciting time. I believe it can go well 😃💜
Your videos are super underrated keep up the amazing work
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*Can't wake up*
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call my name and save me from the dark
Bid my blood to run!
Before I come undone!
@@PsychoSocialism sAAAAAve mEEEEEeeee
@@somewhat-blue save me from the leonardodonvincheese I've become! Who ha he!
Thanks for this video. The institutional transphobia, especially in the NHS, is heartbreaking, as its unfortunately the only option for alot of young people. Its not all bad, but there are definitely those who work in that service that hold prejudices based on these TERFy talking points.
I tried to access my care originally tbrough the NHS, and after waiting months after being told that I was just waiting to hear back from the gender clinic, I found out that my GP didnt even send the application.
With support from a loving friend, I took matters into my own hands, and am now on private care. Its expensive, but worth it, and I'm almost 7 months on T. I actually am excited for what the future holds now.
Thank you. This is allyship.
Good news, berserk came back, figuratively and literally with a bang.
Oh don't worry, I'm aware and salivating at every chapter ;)
Hugs and love for everyone! Except Lisa. X
good video! i liked ur first one abt irreversible damage, and it was nice to get a look at her new study as well and the places where it's wrong.
The ending of this video is really good. I lack the words to describe how good it is.
Ngl it took me a few drafts to get it right, but thank you! Your feedback makes the effort worth it!
You nailed it, it made me cry. Amazing work. ❤️
Another great video. Thank you for the work you do.
OMG!!! This video is PURE GENIUS!!! I have never seen your videos before but I am now Subscribed!! I've been doing research for an upcoming Podcast with Dr Erica Anderson about Transgender. Of course I have been reading and watching videos all about ROGD! I just love how clearly you explain all that is wrong with this idea!!! And that instead of just dismissing it, you so clearly explain why it's just a load of CRAP!!! I love the info, the jokes, the editing, the music.... PURE GENIUS I TELL YOU!!! I cannot wait to watch more of your channel!! Thank you for being so smart and so creative!!!!
Are people like Sasha Ayyad, Lisa Littman, and Debra Soh just cynically coasting on a social panic to advance their careers, or are they really and truly kept up at night by the thought of the Invasion of the Cis Snatchers, or some combo of both?
Obviously, if it's purely Column A, then that's just straight-up evil, but if it's Column B, what kind of frankly-bizarre person is driven to distraction by the thought of people not filing neatly into one of two boxes and/or by the thought of "losing" members of their own genital "team" to one or more "opposing" teams (i.e., The Enemy)? Why do these weirdos place so much stock and root so much of their self-concept in their own and other people's genitals?
Thrilled to discover a new dope channel by an ally *and* Berserk fan ❤ so much new content to watch!
To share my own journey if anyone is curious:
I 'knew' from my earliest memories, without having the proper vocabulary to describe it. I remember very vividly being around 4 years old and finding out the 'other boys' looked different down there when we showed each other the impressively large shits we'd taken lol. My kid brain reasoned my own twig n berries would just grow in later.
Didn't think on the physical differences again until puberty hit. I was always a tomboy and puberty turned me into a miserable genderless blob (work boots, jeans, baggy metal band shirts and plaid button downs were my uniform).
I discovered the existence of trans women when I was 14ish from an article in the German magazine 'Stern' that talked about medical transition, specifically GRS. I immediately thought 'shit, that's me, just the other way round'. The article didn't mention trans men at all.
I had a pretty shitty home life and was used to bottling up my feelings and just enduring, unfortunately. The result of which being that it took me until my late 20s to come out and mid 30s to actually transition.
I think it's kinda funny that both sides of the political spectrum literally see the other side the same way. They point out the other's logical fallacies and look back at history to see how terribly this could all end because of the other side. Honestly, it's just strange. Like both political sides are yelling at themself in a mirror essentially.
Of course this brings about the _real_ question? Who is right and how can they prove it? Especially since neither side even trusts the other.
Ah yes, ye olde "Nazis are just as bad as the people they want to murder"
Perish, centrist.
@@Peasham the heck?
Imagine wishing death upon someone you've never even met irl. Now that's cringe.
This was so excellent! Thank you so, so much for making it!
I know that the videos where you talk about media characters do well, but i wish you did ones like these more often, not necessarily trans stuff, but general things you really care about
What are your thoughts on the femboy blackmail 4chan cult?
One of the best channels on youtube!
thank you!
I'm sorry to tell you this, I hate it too, but "data" is plural. It sounds so wrong but "the data strengthen" is technically correct
thank you again for a wonderful affirming video (this is from a trans physician)
I won't defend you nor will I hinder you I vote my beliefs and that's all
To the question of why the archives of sexual behaviour would publish it, they have just introduced a new section on cancel culture that cites fox news constantly so yeah. Kenneth Zucker is seeming more terf like.
Being trans is like being goth or punk, except when you grow out of those phases you can just get new clothes
Yes
And just like being goth or punk, sometimes you never do.
honestly i really like your production and video style, dk why you don't get more views :)
Also, I have recently finally come to terms with my mtf trans self, the ROGD narrative when it first came up during 2018 fucked me up so bad, I stop persuing transition during the last step before hrt (literally already tested blood and everything) because I convinced myself that I am just confused because I saw this study, I was 15 and now I am 19 almost 20, I lost all of my teenage years to disacociation because of this shit, I lost all the happiness I could've had, and now post puberty my dysphoria is even worse when it hits... and on top of that because of that narrative I have really bad imposter syndrome about being trans... Thx right wing dipshits, you ruined a person's teenage life.
There are a lot of people with similar stories to you, and while it makes me sad, a piece of advice I got about my own coming out is: "Don't think about what was taken from you, think about what you can take for your own now and what you can make without them on your back"
It's not freedom if you keep thinking too much about your time in jail, so for right now, just live as free as you can and let the bitterness only fuel the righteousness of your new happiness :)
@@PsychoSocialism thx
Love the video! Thanks
Arm yourselves. Defend our trans neighbors!
Data does strengthen by the way, not strengthens. Data is the plural of datum. The paper is crap but you're not doing yourself a favour with that correction
I keep hearing there is science to support trans but I have never seen any. Where are the research papers ?
Theres a good summary of them from Cornell U. in the description! Or type the question into google scholar if you want to know something more specific
You can also check the DSM-5
Wow, now that is a fake new video. You gonna spread more problems. Huh?
I don't know a single person who was or is currently transphobic. Transsexuals are also the loudest minority atm, not sure the youth have an issue with being heard. It was widely accepted until the 2010s, when suddenly out of the blue the world became "transphobic". Its no coincidence, simply that the teaching of intersectionalism intensified at the turn of the 21st century, leading millenials and zoomers to perceive everyone and everything as oppressive. Also they (we) have been spoiled. On an aside, I know the world seems fucked right now, and that socialism may seem like a cogent solution, but do you really want to give more power to the state?
I did give a long list of transphobic policies enacted by the state in part 4, and there are entire "charity orgs" who are pushing the government to legislate against trans people... Dont know how more concrete you can get...
Also Socialism =/= State Power. Read up on Anarchist Catalonia sometime ;)
The US have tried to remove power from the state for 50+ years and look where that got them: With rampant inequality and very far from addressing the climate crisis, the biodiversity crisis and the pollution crisis.
We can't cling to a system yhat is demonstrably broken just because we can imagine worse systems.
Pray tell how *_you_* propose to solve the existential crises I mentioned without coordinated intervention from state-like bodies.
Oh, and your observation about transpeople being widely accepted before 2010 sounds like "I didn't hear about it, so I guess everything was fine".
Maybe things were horrible, but suppressed so thoroughly that you didn't register anything?
Why should a minority start getting loud if everything was fine??
Isn't being loud more likely associated with horrible oppression starting to lift?
@@PsychoSocialism Who keeps a group of people from creating a conglomerate that controls the resources just like in Capitalism? Who now, rather than at least an agreed upon understanding of personal property, feel you are not contributing equally? Forcibly taking from you and leaving you with scraps, no better than in a Capitalistic system where at least I could make claim to personal rights to ownership of my work.
'I don't see the problem so it must not exist' - This dude
I find it interesting that you claim transsexuality was "widely accepted" right up until about the time that informed consent became more widely available in the medical community and medical gatekeeping started to go decrease.
When you say that transsexuals were widely accepted, do you also mean by the medical community? Because medical gatekeeping was a thing that forced people to have to jump through a lot of unnecessary hoops to access care.