Hello again, friends! For those discovering this video who haven't seen the first part (or subscribed to the channel, which I ask you kindly to do!) here's the link so you can check out part 1. th-cam.com/video/gwQHLHNsKvw/w-d-xo.html In this conversation, we get into some tougher stuff, and Heather even turns the tables on me when it comes to questions of faith. I hope you enjoy this, find it useful, and stick around because we've got some awesome conversations coming up including Peter Boghossian, Russ Roberts, Wilfred Reilly... and even former NYC mayor Bill de Blasio! Here's the chapters of this video: [0:00] Why going outside really matters [4:41] Gender is the software of sex [13:45] Human flexibility vs inescapable biology [22:48] Monogamy, birth control, and casual sex [29:12] Transgender dogma undermines women’s liberation [37:21] Valuable diversity and the scientific method [44:32] The provisional role of scientific authority [46:59] How media twists true data to spread false narratives [52:29] What does it mean to be (and become) an adult? [1:01:45] Kids destroy your life…and give you something better [1:10:28] The purpose of traditional rites of passage [1:17:50] Adapting religious orthodoxy to the 21st century [1:24:13] Faith, Catholicism, and morality [1:33:43] How do we justify human dignity? [1:38:25] Be grateful for and protect what we have
Great talk I learned a lot about the new weight loss trends on Ticktock and which bicycle tires are best. I think Brett and Heather mentioned something about biology in there somewhere but I'll certainly be ordering that new barbell.
Compelled speech. They want to FIRCE you to speak words that you know are false, to think thoughts that you know are false, to see 5 lights instead of 4. It is a FEATURE of any Communist regime that it insists that you speak lies. "Live not by Lies." -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
You seem unaware that the New Covenant replaced the Old Covenant, and that the Talmud says Jesus is in Hell boiling in feces, and that America is Israel's little bltch.
YOU EXPERTS NEED TO LEARN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRIMARY AND SECONDARY SEX CHARACTERISTICS. PRIMARY BIOLOGICAL. SECONDARY FEELINGS MASCULINITY AND FEMININITY. YOU ARE NO EXPERTS 😂😂😂😂
The rare joy of listening to sane adults/humans. If the Nobel prize were still worth something, I'd nominate Heather and Bret for humans of the decade. #Sanity
I was a tomboy. I had so much freedom to literally play in the dirt and get filthy, grimy, sweaty, hurt sometimes. It was bliss, and toughened me up. I still play in the dirt, but I am a real woman, feminine, and so glad to exist/be exactly as I was created. Let girls be/exist, let boys be/exist. Stop pushing this confusion on children, not even in high school. It is grooming.
You don't care about biology or law. You just hold bigotries and hatred due to your extremely poor character. Same as Bret and Heather. Do you deny the relationship between HIV and AIDS like Bret and Heather do as well?
Well, even Bret Weinstien was a bit late to the COVID stuff but he always spoke honestly which I greatly appreciated. It's a good thing that Bret Weinstien was just one of about 30+ doctors, scientists, and passionate content creators that I followed throughout the COVID debacle.
I really like this interviewer, he's endearing and smart. He's open to learn but also self expressive. He's a bit different, his character comes through and I personally like it.
You made my day with this lovely comment. Thank you. I understand those who are like “hey buddy, why don’t you just shut the hell up” too. Different strokes!!
We lost how to objectively define and agree what life is first. After that, we lost the idea that life is sacred. Merely giving the scientific definition that "life begins to conception," devoid of any further statement, causes apoplexy amongst some people.
It is human nature to sacrifice everything for your highest priority. Most people do it accidentally. To me it looks like adulthood comes when one makes the conscious, voluntary decision to sacrifice everything for their highest priority. That’s why it is so often triggered by parenthood. Suddenly that child is the most important thing in the world, and every sacrifice can be made for the child’s benefit.
As a teen in the 70's I watched womens liberation develope and for the most part agreed with it as far as equality and oportunity. But what a couldn't help but notice is rather than develope their feminine side, women inmitated and mimicked the baser male "behavoirs" trying to be "one of the boys" right down to the vulgarity. As a male I'd be the first to tell you we have enough idiots on this planet already without woman making the same mistake. It used to be a women complimented and corrected a male (slapped him upside the head and told him to grow up and be responsible) now women are just as screwed up a men are.
I gave this a listen because I love Bret and Heather and boy, I sure wasn't disappointed! I took a lot of notes. ❤As an ex-Christian, podcasts with great conversations like this have become church to me. It feels great to quench my spiritual and intellectual thirst at the same time. Much love from Canada, the land of the not-so-free. ❤
Thank you for this amazing comment, even if it’s making me a little uncomfortable to be a religion replacement. A high compliment to be sure! P.S. sorry about Canada. It seems even farther down the road to serfdom than the US. Gulp.
I too thought this was a great podcast, thought provoking in so many ways. I’ve read “Man’s Search for Meaning” many times over the years and that aspect of no matter the circumstances, we are ultimately in control of our thoughts has always stuck with me. I’m not religious but I can see how expanding your mind and listening to other perspectives could be so helpful. I live in Canada too and I agree, the now not so land of the free and especially so here in B.C.!
I’m from Vancouver but live in Victoria now and so we can both relate to the craziness of what is going on not just from the Federal Govt. perspective but also the Provincial Government!
“We don’t know what’s jeopardizing it.” The jeopardy comes from misaligned priorities. Human beings will sacrifice everything for their highest priority, and right now we prioritize safety, comfort, and convenience. The species got this far by prioritizing courage, authenticity, and excellence. Those are the “traditional values” that have been lost, but it’s not too late to reclaim them.
Brilliant conversation! As a nurse who is EXTREMEMLY interested in scientific mysteries. What Ive witnessed the last several years has been nothing but some sort of social science experimentation on people claiming science as the irrefutable god made me horrified and terrified.. I grew up fighting cultic doctrines and survived, knowing full well how they work. I could see very clearly the fear, the redefining of foundational literal words to fit narratives being made up without foundations. Anyone knowing how to READ and understand the science can clearly see how the data is being manipulated for exploitation. It made me embarrassed to be part of the medical profession. I now just care for very few people in my family that are very keen on "the science" seeking vision beyond this fake overton window we are being sold as the ONLY WAY.
I too am ex medical and due to mandates will never go back. I am totally disgusted by our profession . The bulk showed themselves to be stupid, greedy and self interested , displaying none of the characteristics of compassion, empathy , loyalty to their patients, ability to critically think and willingness to look beyond what to me, was an obvious con. I blame infiltration of money from private interests into education the biggest problem and the reduction of selection criteria and of real education in favour of making money for educational institutions , for this degradation of a once trusted profession
24:29 re: the birth control pill: “Instead of encouraging more men to act like women at their best, it has encouraged more women to act like men at their worst.” This is an amazing thought.
Religious principles of living a good life still apply today. I also think that going back to the roots and traditions is very valuable even in this new world. And I also like that this has not changed. The older we are the more we go back to our roots. My grandfather was an Orthodox priest, and I’m more drawn to his life and teachings than ever before. And this is somehow liberating. I live in Canada and I’m probably going back to my roots.
I finished listening to the rest of the podcast after I made a comment, but need to add, Bret and Heather really complement each other. Bret has always had a way of describing highly intellectual thinking in understandable language for everyone to grasp.
Thank you for this marvelous video! Three exceptionally learned people NOT trying to sell me an ideology But instead candidly offering their personal observations and insights and offering well thought out suggestions on how to approach the pressing issues of our time. And leaving me with much to think about!
This is brilliant. Love HH and BW. And as a raised Catholic, the same nun who taught us religion (she included all major religions in senior years in a positive, never disparagingly) taught us biology, including evolution. And we had a Quaker teacher (Geography), a Jewish teacher (mathematics, commerce). They were given holidays for their "feast" days. 1970s.
What a beautiful start to the conversation by Heather. She was on point and very descriptive on the subject of sex/gender. Bowie was great. A 'genderbender' was the appropriate word, but still a man. As a baby boomer myself, I can relate to those awesome times of the 70's,80's and 90's, Heather touched on. The difference was,no social media.
I raised three kids. And as environmentalists, we lived very simply. Education and experiences are the things we spent money on. We unschooled. They shared rooms. Spent time outside. Kids are not that expensive if they don't need a new iphone every year. And then we have three adults who live light on the earth and can follow their passions because they're resourceful and know how to support one another and live in community. And you know those kids with iphones and the latest games. They now don't seem to know how to work and have relationships. Raise your kids close to the Earth.And they will help solve the future and they will be happy. Also we come in this world with death as a known outcome. So why bring children into the world??? Enjoy and bring goodness and peace to the world while you're here. There are never any guarantees.
@unreadlibrarian Don't bring them into the world to do as the corporatists want them to do, and ruin their own lives and then also the lives of others. That was what I heard. Made sense to me.
I would never suspect evolutionary biology would be so useful in helping to make sense of so many seemingly unrelated topics, especially complex systems. Very cool love these two
The problem here is that Bret and Heather think that logic is the coin of the realm. When you're up against postmodernists, that's bringing a gun to a banana fight. That is why it is so important to follow James Lindsay
The problem is logic?! Oof... I think the problem is people confusing PERSONALITY with gender/sex... Humanity is a species with a distinct, intrinsic binary divide: male(man) and female(women) - there are biological, mental, emotional differences all based on the very genetics, capabilities and body compositions of these differences.
This is correct. The arguments being offered by the woke are emotionally motivated rationalizations. At least part of the truth is extremely politically incorrect. Many of the conversations we must have to sort out the truth these days are, but the rise of women is society has lead to these emotionally charged illogical ideologies. Not sure what to do about that though …
Thank you so much for a fascinating and stimulating conversation. I’m a British man, lucky enough to have been married for nearly 51 years, with three daughters and seven grandchildren. I’m increasingly aware that their world is very different from the one I grew up in. How do we ensure that they live productive lives with hope and belief that the society we live in, though far from perfect, is far better than almost all others and it’s worth trying to live full lives and ones in which they will bring up their own families?
I guess be present... care. Love. Ask. Build a family culture that will draw them to meaningful things and people. Don't let them withdraw into their own little worlds and show them that THEY MATTER. At least I hope that's gonna work, other than trusting God that's pretty much the plan over here.
I just discovered this channel; I’ll be listening to more. At 1:40, you just blew me away! And Heather’s answer: “I don’t know how to answer that question.” Ha! Nailed it!
The idea that all humans are equal didn't come from religion, except perhaps the retconned story of religion we use these days, where it's all peace and love, rather than persecution, mass murder and xenophobia as it was for a long time when the religious were in power. The reason we can consider everyone equal these days is, it seems to me, because we've discovered how we all share an evolutionary origin, how all of our thoughts and actions are (increasingly) connected, and how horrific the results of hate and violence (whether motivated by tribalism, nationalism or religion) can be. We've learned through living with the consequences of our own mistakes, and by discovering the origins and nature of ourselves and the world around us.
How do you think this country was founded? it is a overall good country because of the Christion beliefs and values. With out Christion values and beliefs you end up like we are now, lost and confused.
I think something that is really common(true for most of my close friends) is that many people think that to be human is to transcend nature. They don’t see themselves even partly as animals or part of a nature. These are self proclaimed “inside cat” types that say they’d be happy to never step outside again. Its a transhumanism thats values avoiding discomfort and seeking pleasure as high virtues.
Bret and Heather are Brilliant....I am always amazed by how much they know and can articulate in words that I can understand and learn...thank you for shared intelligent conversations...keep it coming
I watched the previous episode with Bret and Heather and was incredibly turned off by the amount of ads. I took a chance and watched this episode and was pleasantly surprised that the amount of ads was significantly less. Much better viewing experience. Cheers!
why do we need the "gender" concept at all? why not just "sex roles"? Heather gave an elaborate academic answer but didn't really answer the question. just in case you are able to follow up on this.
I think the reason for the gender question is that, if the radicals can make everyone believe that there’s no such thing as male and female- then you’ll believe absolutely anything else they cook up. There is no more fundamental truth in the entire universe than “male and female”.
As far as I can tell, the work “gender” got substituted for “sex” decades ago because it seemed more neutral and less emotionally charged (“hehehe teacher said, ‘sex’”). So because we already had two words for the same concept, one of those words could be co-opted by people with agendas.
Because if you done use gender you can't play the silly word games if base and switch where you start by discussing presentation through gender and end up using gender to describe sex.
This couple are both accomplished scientists, researchers and parents whomever would be of great benefit to civilization must have a response to their point if view concerning the questions of: "What is the reason I am here, what is the meaning of existence, why does it matter what I think, or what I do in this expanse of a cosmos?" Considering the trajectory of the lives of these two educators who in instances have uncovered real issues that challenge modern thinking about science and scientific ideology itself, are still being ignored or actually canceled by those who were challenged, it is rewarding that the average person like me is able to hear and understand this point of view that although counter to what I may have had or still have as biased beliefs, to become more critical of my own logical conclusions and able to entertain even the most ludicrous of the post modernist's spaghetti logic, but still can discern truth and a signpost to the way forward, with courage to take that path.
There is so much to comment on here that a comment doesn't justify this. Let's begin with the concept of evolution, which is such an unstable and erroneous foundation. These are like three children trying to have an adult conversation but too proud to humble themselves and ask for help. The saddest thing here is the pride that in the end will corrupt it all.
Superb discussion but unfortunately Dad doesn’t know much about Catholic Religion, hopefully he will learn one day, and we Catholics believe that Word of Good doesn’t adjust to anything ,it is Word of infinite Wisdom and it is not about rites
I theorize that biological realities were basically denied in psychology after WWII due to fear of what happened in Germany...And Skinner's black box, with the Blank Slate theories dependence upon social constructionism became the gold standard...
I was adopted (my mother was coerced) I believe the confidence of removing babies from unmarried mothers for placement with more ‘suitable’ couples and making contact between mother and her child illegal was also due to the ‘blank slate’ belief. It’s just not true, I was nothing like my adopted family. Total misapplied theory that one!
Putting away childish things. You are a serious and sincere person who has an interest and takes action in being a steward of nature and a member of a human community = adult hood. Plus having control of your emotions.
Considering the topic, our host says “I feel” a lot. I really notice that men who have a feminine proclivity say “feel” and not , the masculine “i think”. Goes to show that men have a feminine side and women have a masculine side. It doesn’t mean that a sex change needs to happen! Just something to ponder
On the having kids thing, a lot of us can’t afford it, we have been priced out of existence let alone raising kids. You can make an argument for doing it anyways and figuring it out however raising kids in poverty usually dooms them to that same poverty and a life of unfulfilled potential. I personally refuse to raise a kid in that environment.
I mean, do you expect to be poor forever? And I don't mean in a "I'm gonna turn things around and be a millionaire" type way but like, you know, figure out a way to live a reasonably comfortable life in a place that doesn't come with the costs of NYC or some other expensive place. I mean, I think a lot of the "kids cost so much" is built up by a bourgeois sense of having to pamper kids to the hilt, but they don't actually eat much, haha, until they're, say, teen boys, but there are solutions for that, too. They don't take up much space, can get 'em a room when they're a little older. It's mostly this keeping-up-with-the-Jones' idea that you have to pay $25,000 a term for private school, buy them designer things, update their iPhone every year, and send them on ski holiday's in Vail or whatever, lol. They mostly take time and attention. Anyway, I'm not even arguing that people should have kids, but I do think a lot of the talk about expense is driven by people who want to sell something (and then scared parents believing them).
@@brek5this. It’s always useful to figure out who is behind the push to discourage people from doing perfectly normal and natural things (reproducing) and what they would get out of it. Especially hen they have you thinking it’s really *your* idea.
Kids actually cost very little. Its you, the parent, wanting to have name brand goods, expensive cars and a big nice house that is expensive. Children are happy with some legos or dolls or Tonka trucks and hand-me-down clothes and things from Goodwill. What they really need is food, shelter, water, and love. Healthcare and education are provided in this country. So it's not the children who are expensive, it's your personal ideals and the lifestyle you choose. We were poor when we were first married. We lived in low income housing, and drove an old car with no air conditioning. Our children never cared, as long as they were loved and not hungry. If you shove them into a mentally ill society based on materialism, then maybe they'll be unhappy, but you can avoid that by choosing your friends and choosing your media consumption. Don't blame expenses on the kids. It's YOU who wants it to be too expensive. People also try to list higher education expenses as a cost of having children. I call BS. If your children are worthy to go to university, they should have been smart enough and worked hard enough to earn scholarships. If they didn't work hard and earn scholarships for themselves, then they are not fit for college and should just get a job and/or go to trade school.
@@daisyviluck7932 @oneperson5760 Yeah, I mean, I didn't want to seem like I was encouraging OP to have kids or that it's some kind of moral imperative, but having raised 2 and, I mean, not poor but not anything resembling rich, haha, we came out all right, and we're also half raising my niece (long story). But yeah, for the most part, like, I'm making myself a pot of spaghetti, and my 3-year-old niece eats a little bowl that I am not worried about, haha, and it's more about her wanting to stir the pasta or add salt, plus play time with me whether that is with toys or her climbing up and jumping into my arms, that is more the "investment" than any worry about too much spaghetti getting into the pot or if she ganks my brocolli and breaking the bank. Similarly, with education, I mean, there are expenses, but I found them all manageable, but again, the biggest cost in terms of my life was time... like when your daughter comes home at 11 years old and says, "Well, we learned about this thing in class today," and you engage with them and the material, not even "help" with homework (although that's a thing) but just getting them to think about things, making them discover their interests and deal with hardship/obstacles. Yeah, you have to turn off your podcast or whatever and read with them or have a discussion about some issue. Anyway, I'd say any economic hardship I've had (which there's been some--again, I want to make it clear this is not a "Don't be poor" post) has been mostly of my making and not due to the kids. And the pro tip for teen boys (especially if they are athletic) is buying in bulk and buffets, haha. Fill 'em up at the buffet, even if you'd like to be eating a dainty meal at a boutique restaurant, haha.
@@gj1695 how would a female vp bring in Judeo/Christian culture? Don't believe women as leaders is highly looked upon in the Old or New Testaments. It's a punishment for leaving God.
Heather makes the argument “don’t destroy something until figure out what you’re destroying” 4:30 Brett does just the opposite with religion insisting it be thrown out unless its uselessness can be upgraded. I have long said don’t destroy a person’s religion unless you have something better to replace it with.
Great debates from them but now and again he exposes the limitations of his 'liberal'/'progressive' past. I'm not a practicing Christian and supported our secular society ideas (in New Zealand) but now in my late 60's and see we laid the pathway for the now out of hand transhuman push.
Heying admits she doesn't understand why all mankind individually deserve the dignity of respect and equality because she conflates economics with it. Those who have faith in a higher being realize every person was created equally. Perhaps without faith, this is harder to believe? We all don't deserve the same economic status: largely that is something for each person to strive to obtain. For this purpose we offer education to all children in the more advanced cultures to offer the young a starting place.
This may sound strange, but I have rediscovered my faith multiple times after it had waned. I have undertaken several extended water-only fasts, refrained from engaging in sexual activities, maintained purity in my thoughts, prayed, and immersed myself in spiritual readings. Like clockwork, on the 29th day of fasting, I consistently experience a connection with God. I believe that those who have never experienced a connection with God may find success by following this method. It is important to exercise caution and possibly consult a healthcare provider while engaging in these practices.
Generally a great interview. Not sure why the interviewer felt the need to cut off Heather when she was very respectfully expressing her opinion on the human population versus the resources required to express it. I was wondering what the end of her sentence was.
There is nothing new under the sun. Traditional faith does not need to change to suit the times. Modern people need to read and understand how to apply its wisdom. I am also becoming more Catholic. For me, that means I am actually learning and loving God, improving my prayer life, and cutting things out of my life which are offensive to God, and completely having trust in Jesus.
What really bothers me about conversations like this is that we never hear of anyone talking about "Natural Law Ethics". Natural law ethics is the ethical foundation of Christianity and it was the application of these ethics that in large part made the west what it was. As Christianity has become weakened our collective ethics have become weakened. If we're going to reform Christianity we have to outgrow the theology and realise that the ethics is what we need to bring back. James 2:14-26
Brett is totally wrong about the religious stories being "outdated". As an evolutionary biologists, he should know that human nature is unchanging since antiquity. I don't even consider myself to be a particularly religious person, but I still recognize that the biblical stories and biblical morality are fundamental. By their very nature they will never be outdated. Sure you can spend time reinterpreting them in order to understand them properly in our modern context, but the underlying stories are just as relevant now as they have always been... perhaps even moreso given the public's ignorance of them.
I think Brett and Heather are backed into a corner. If they agree the traditional texts are still valid, then they would have to see LGBT lifestyle and abortion as all wrong, abominations in the eyes of God. I don't think they can make themselves agree with God on this, so they discount the validity of God.
Bret would like to have the benefits of a religious society without having to shoulder any of the responsibilities. His “The Bible doesn’t mention uranium so it can be completely dismissed” schtick is a convenient hand wave. In his defense, Hhe’s not the only one. There’s a bunch of conservative atheists who are caught in this dilemna. Problem is, Christless Christianity is only a bandaid, not a cure
Makes more sense for women, biologically and emotionally speaking. Historically, they could still enjoy sex and companionship when men were away for war, and still procreate if the opportunity arose. For men, perhaps they get double the fun 🤭
What do you say to the people who have kids who are drug addicts? Especially in today’s climate with the access to drugs. Not all parents were bad parents who lead their kids down this path. As the daughter of parents who have watched their other children deal with drug abuse to a life threatening degree, prison and over all horror….. I don’t know if I can or have it in me to pursue parenthood if there is no guarantee that I won’t watch something like this unfold. It’s terrifying.
It basically comes down to - do you want to do worthwhile but scary things and live to the fullest (and yes, risk some heartbreak), or do you want to "play it safe" and end up regretting all the things you didn't do? Children are the hardest thing to "happen to you", granted, but they also and even more so the sweetest, funniest, loveliest creatures in the world. They bring joy and life and curiosity and excitement... they challenge you in a good way. They demand everything of you but you will not find a worthier cause to live. All the best to you. Don't let fear dictate your life. Learn... become wise... you are not bound to repeat mistakes of others or the past. God bless.
You have the awareness now that addiction is something your kids could contend with. Your responsibility is to teach them moderation and temperance, as well as the denial of immediate reward. These are all positive things for everyone, so you wouldn’t necessarily be raising them in a way different from other kids, just with an aim to avoid a pitfall that you know exists.
@@e.c.winner7252 all of those things were done by my parents and countless others who have seen their kids destroyed. Nothing could have prepared my parents for gangs preying on a special needs school and targeting kids who weren’t mentally developed. But that’s what happened to our family.
I studied agricultural science (and graduated). The thing is, you can't say "a little bit of warming here is ok because we are in a cold period". What is ok in one region might be devastating in another, for example an average temperature increase on land might have minimal impact, but the same increase in an aquatic environment like a coral reef would be catastrophic. It's the loss of biodiversity that is the threat, not the warming or cooling itself and there are many causes for biodiversity loss. A changing climate is but one source. Human activity such as logging, agriculture, urban sprawl, over fishing and exploitation of the natural environment impacts biodiversity just as much if not more than climate change, but you generally don't hear about it because of profits and greed. That's why I left the agricultural industry. It's a powerful cartel that has one goal, and it's not to provide people with food. We have the technology and the means to preserve nature and live harmoniously with it. The real cause of biodiversity loss is economic, so in order to preserve what is left we would need to invent a new economic system, which just won't happen. Humanity is far too greedy to save itself unfortunately.
There are a lot of reasons to not have kids today and I would have liked to hear more pushback from Bret. As an evolutionary biologist it would be nice if he approached the possibility of our near term extinction due to overshoot and loss of biodiversity instead of simply saying that “the models are trash”. Which models are trash specifically? IPCC models? Sea surface temp models? Loss of biodiversity models? I think it’s possible that he wants to believe they are wrong because he has children and wants grandchildren, etc. He may also be hiding the fact that we are unable to solve climate change because he may think if people knew the truth that mass chaos will ensue and will cause collapse even faster. It’s no different than what the MSM is doing by distracting us with all sorts of divisive rhetoric. Personally though, I think people should be informed especially when making decisions for other people such as we need to do for our children. They don’t have the choice to be here in this mess. Only we can make that choice. I think we should be able to make it an informed one and most young adults have some time to wait. Take an indicator like plastic pollution or world wars or collapse of the food chain, or addiction etc. and every year evaluate whether or not they are improving or getting worse. If the future looks bright then maybe it’s ok to bring up a child or maybe they will decide it isn’t. What’s important imo is to not pressure our youth into having children if they don’t want to do so. It’s not fair to our youth nor the children they most likely won’t be able to take care of in a world that cares more about profit than people and nature which we all depend upon in order to live. Also, I think Bret and Heather know collapse is possible because I recently saw them in another video where they discussed the possibility of collapse with a different host where they discussed it from an evolutionary biological perspective which makes a lot more sense than discussing simply as an emissions issue.
It looks like you drank too much of the climate propaganda. Antibiotic resistance if far more scary. The first world should be having more children than the 3rd world. Don't buy their bs. Have kids.
Have you explored the possibility that climate change , food shortages , gender confusion , the replacement of native population, and the removal of ownership, are all being created to fit a narrative that encompasses population reduction , complete control and coralling of remnant populations , the destruction of national pride, the destruction of countries and of religions.
This was outstanding. I applaud you and your guests. Excellent. I would say the response to modernizing religious belief based on the current way of thinking is the problem not the solution. Your guests suggest that orthodoxy is a pattern linked to its time and place and can’t be used outside of that. Those truths, rights of passage for example are processes transferable to any time and place Science and scientists have a place in our world but its amazing to me two extremely intelligent people don’t engage in conversation with intelligent religious people. I am catholic too and you gave a great testimony that fell flat at their feet as to say the science is settled. At the end of the day this was fantastic. Thank you very much
I agree with the conversation, but I would even suggest that feminizing of men and masculinizing of women started earlier with radical feminism. Radical feminists would be very derogative about male behavior while “empowering” women to have male roles. Not to say a spectrum of behaviors, but they would say man bad, woman good but traditional woman bad, only radical feminist woman good.
We don’t need to ‘adapt’ religious orthodoxy. It’s adopt or die. Those of us who still practice orthodox Christianity remain in functioning communities. We have optimism for the future and have the purpose to weather the trials of life. My community continues to have children in healthy numbers meanwhile secular society is sterilizing its children, aborting babies, engaging in casual sex with strangers instead of marrying, delaying adulthood, and so much more. Atheists and agnostics are voluntarily taking themselves out of the gene pool en masse. What effect do you think this will have on future demographics?
At about minute 53: "Becoming an adult" Max Reisinger, who just turned 21 and runs a four businesses from Austin TX, has talked about this several times in his recent videos.
Ideals are nessessary, but like infinity or perfection they can never be fully attained/reached. One still must strive for improvement. In the real world " down in the trenches, or reality" one should never confuse the two. I see people confusing the two all the time, and then calling out their opponents for not having or being "ideal/perfect" which is absurd.
I wish these 2 had the courage to go "all in"!!! It is very evident they undoubtedly comprehend what is taking place in western civilization at the moment..... i presume one could safely argue their level of understanding is far greater then most, which id submit includes myself... however, what is also very telling is their "societal reverence" for lack of better term. What i mean by this is their willingness to dance around this subject which is obviously a result derived from fear!! Given some of the situations they've found themselves in publicly?? I may not agree, but can understand why they may be hesitant to dive in head first. Ive never had my career put in jeapordy by simply speaking "out of turn".. With that being said, we no longer have time for this approach. This is going to take many high profile individuals, ideally if not inevitably simultaneously being willing to die by their own sword! And real quick, maybe my choice of them "dancing around" the subject may not be fair, so if we instead want to land on "treading lighty", im fine with that.. but the levels to which are protecting this institution and the scale its taking place on? Its going take an awful lot of sacrifice in order to curtail this phenomenon. Which in my humble opinion, is the only thing that can save humanity. I don't claim to be a schollar nor an intellectual like they are. But for whatever its worth, i genuinely believe this is absolutely an extinction level problem that must be solved rather quickly!
I liked the talk about rites of passage. Being born in Michigan, and growing up, we really did not have rites of passage, nobody, did around where I lived. But, you could see it in the movies, like with some young Indian Brave...etc. and later when I moved to the East (Japan), kids actually have several rites of passage in stages, ultimately after their 20th birthday, when the "coming of age" ceremony is held. I was thinking, that it might be better if we had rites of passage in the west like that. I wondered if like Scotland did Celts have rites of passage that we lost when Christianity came. I wondered. I mean we kind of have some rites of passage, like turning 16 and getting your drivers license and turning 18 and being able smoke (legally) and voting for the first time, and finally turning 21 and being able to drink. Those as rites of passage just seemed kind of weird compared to some powerful cultural rites of passage from different cultures that I witnessed later.
My kids being Korean, their first rite of passage is when they were 100 days old! Because in the past there was so much more infant deaths it was really something to celebrate if your baby made it past 100 days! It kinds of signified that you finally made it out of the weeds and from there the going forward could be....I don't know, but like the initial roughest part was now behind you.
I just realized some rites of passage that, at least I had as a young boy in the scouts. Each year, we could graduate from like a Wolf to a Bear Scout, etc. and we had Scout Jamborees. Also, just before you became a Boy Scout, you could attain the "Arrow of Light", the highest award that a Cub Scout could achieve...So, I think that the Scouts actually filled some of that rites of passage for young boys. It is a sorry state that has become of the scouts these days. It will never be for young boys what it once was. It was also, one of those things that was culturally meant for boys.
13:47 "I like dogma." I feel philosophically minded as well, which is why I despise dogma. Almost everything of central significance has at some point been upended and overturned. After the host said this, he has an uphill battle gaining my confidence in him and his thought.
No, they drink the water in the book. It just got tamed for the movie. Cannibalism's common among pagan cultures. The water belongs to the tribe, explicitly to nourish them. It's part of Paul's catalyst to becoming a tyrant. That's typical Hollywood. May even be remnants of the Haze Code still being used. Yep, Paul definitely is meant to cannibalize his friend. The water belongs to the victor. They'll probably ruin the ending, too. Paul's the villain, that's what makes Dune a Masterpiece. The point is a conflict of the Ethical with the Moral. That's what the book means. The Ethical is what's universal, and the Moral what's necessary. They weigh and store it as currency. I meant this to go in Genetically Modified Skeptic's video on Dune, but I feel someone may enjoy learning about the novel, here, too.
What really ,truly and honestly sucks is that Dr, fauci, cdc ,much of academics have done is in concert with things witnessed in the 1970s and even earlier than this. Cdc swine flu vax catastrophe paralyzed thounds of kids the same exact way in the 70s . It was even worse more fringe events earlier in the 1900s. Even in the fbi they're acting in concert with a pattern of behavior that has lasted far longer than anyone is comfortable with.
Nobody is willing to say we need to go back to men's and women's roles that we lived by for the last 10,000 years. This says everything you need to know about how we got to this point in the first place, because we all are of mindset that it would terribly for women to go back to being women because that would mean they would be less than not equal in that roll, which is the lie that got us in this mess in the first place. Women are not less than for having babies and tending to families of the human race, it was never true and we must stop caring this idea forward or there won't be a human race to make anybody feel better than or less than because we can not survive with the women. Which makes them pretty dang important and it is about time we start saying it.
Firstly, I want to express that I appreciate this video so much… In regards to the discussion on sex and gender: the comparison of hardware and software is wonderful… but I would be very curious on their thoughts regarding how society has enforced gender roles and gender “ideals” that resulted in people feeling they are transgender in the first place? Also the psychology behind individuals, like drag queens/kings, discover they feel more themselves when dressed in as a female or male illusion and feel at home being referred to as the opposite pronouns? And discussion around intersex individuals- I know there are exceptions, and seeing as the human population has risen immensely over the past 100 years, so the pool of exceptions is higher than ever… but all questions that should be answered and discussed. From a biological standpoint, all this makes sense to distill it down to our function, but we need to have a psychological and sociological perspective here as well for a 360 view. We are far more complex organisms than fish, plants, etc…and we then need to also discuss what does it mean to be a woman? A man? Feelings of not associating with either? Beyond our function and our parts… beyond specific cultural specifications… Genuinely curious to hear more!! I personally wish we were not so attached to labelling everything and boxing ourselves in. We can appreciate Bowie and gender-bending, rock n roll/punk rockers wearing make up, and accepting girls being just “tom boys”- but let’s be real- these things were not widely accepted. They were heavily criticized and you were accused of being a “f*g” or bullied. I liked the direction of gender-bending, but it was never truly accepted- especially if you weren’t a celebrity. And this was just in the Western world. Until we can completely dismantle expectations on sex roles/gender roles- this is the growing symptom that people are trying to find ways to push back against. The sex roles are limited and different based on which country you live in and the cultural and societal aspects you are surrounded by growing up. Regarding the choice to have or not to have kids… aside from some people’s reasons regarding the environment, “hating” kids, etc… people who have kids that shouldn’t, people who have kids that didn’t want them or don’t deserve them… there are some who want kids (like myself), but financially cannot fathom making it work. Or maybe there’s health factors that don’t allow for kids and lack of access to care to resolve it. When our human basic needs of housing, food and health is seen as a privilege to be worked for and for most, still unable to reach it, instead of a basic need… I’m a socialist, so this would be one of the biggest things the world needs to address. We want to “pull our weight in our community”, but it does not naturally look like how it is being utilized now by capitalism. I am curious about the religion you feel is key… since “the old ones” are not Christian/Catholic, etc… these are religions that wars were fought for… or are we discussing true ancestral religions- nature-based religions, like Drudism? There is a great movement of the “spiritual” and connection with nature and humanism within a more pagan frame. For me, this is more peaceful, open-minded and natural, but I will not say any one way of being spiritual is correct. Only to do no harm- mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually to others for the sake of your own beliefs.
I would argue that art, science, math, music, any kind of spirituality or religion are, in your terms, 'a lens' into seeking a truth, the one truth we are all seeking. The answer is the same. it is the approach, how we question that truth, that is our argument.
I like and respect Bret and Heather but I can never get over the oxymoronic stance that they and so many like them take which says in essence "we recognize Problem. Problem stems from aspect of modernity. This Problem doesn't exist if humans function as humans are designed to function. So solution to Problem would be to reject the aspect of modernity which causes Problem and return to functional human existence thus alleviating Problem. But we aren't advocating for a return to tradition." As if for all it's obvious and observable benefits "trad" is a dirty word and a bad thing..... You just got done speaking at length about how it's a benefit and works better but you despise the idea so much regardless of it utility as to shy away from it. I'm not sure what I would classify this kind of stance as but it reminds me very much of the technopilic stance that I see so many people adopt today which says for every problem there is a technological solution and more over that for every problem the preferred solution must be technological. Stop being so progressive that you can't see what is right in front of you.
Surely a significant aspect of this excellent debate is the critique of Brett's statement (at about 25mins) that our civilisation has been advanced by the creation of the pill and 'freeing up' of women from child birth. Eg Mary Harrington's debates on 'progress' and feminism. Leaving aside the ideas that ALL of THIS is just another arena of created conflict for the plebs while the fleecing of all of us continues at pace!
I think it’s a question of what is and is not “progress” from a human perspective. And the answer is complicated… and there’s more than one. Material progress is one thing. Progress in psychological/spiritual health and well being is related but distinctly different in kind. And not everything that has empowered the former has been wholly good for the latter.
@@DadSavesAmerica explain how birth control brings prosperity. My husband and I married as teens, he immediately joined the Air Force to get training while earning a living. He used these skills throughout his civilian career and is near retirement age. I had our 10 kids and homeschooled them. They have all been out of the home for over 10 years now. Most are raising their own big families. All make between 80k-300k per year with one income homes. That's a lot of productivity coming from our marriage. My husband's brother stayed in college 10 years for his 4 year degree. He married but they didn't want kids. His wife worked. Together they had a nice life, investments etc. But they are also hitting retirement age. What now? They are bored with traveling since they have always traveled. Me and hubby can now start traveling. And we have 30 grandkids and counting. In a few years we will most likely have great grandchildren because we started our own family young. On a strictly financial basis there is no comparison. And why limit a family to 2 or 3 kids when the mom is staying home? Why not have 5 or 6 or even 12? Being a homemaker doesn't limit women but enriches all facets of their lives.
I'd love to see a respectful debate between Mary Harrington and Bret & Heather. I respect them both deeply and they both bring excellent points to the table. I am conflicted between the 2 positions and a debate with them would be very interesting and I think useful.
As a mature female i personally fear for everyone but most especially girls and women, with what is occuring around the world at present, the lack of protection afforded women and children, is opening the door for mass abuses, or women going rouge and breaking away from simply being corralled and farmed. We need men to awaken because we like it or lump don't have our voices heard like uz do...
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Hello again, friends! For those discovering this video who haven't seen the first part (or subscribed to the channel, which I ask you kindly to do!) here's the link so you can check out part 1. th-cam.com/video/gwQHLHNsKvw/w-d-xo.html
In this conversation, we get into some tougher stuff, and Heather even turns the tables on me when it comes to questions of faith. I hope you enjoy this, find it useful, and stick around because we've got some awesome conversations coming up including Peter Boghossian, Russ Roberts, Wilfred Reilly... and even former NYC mayor Bill de Blasio!
Here's the chapters of this video:
[0:00] Why going outside really matters
[4:41] Gender is the software of sex
[13:45] Human flexibility vs inescapable biology
[22:48] Monogamy, birth control, and casual sex
[29:12] Transgender dogma undermines women’s liberation
[37:21] Valuable diversity and the scientific method
[44:32] The provisional role of scientific authority
[46:59] How media twists true data to spread false narratives
[52:29] What does it mean to be (and become) an adult?
[1:01:45] Kids destroy your life…and give you something better
[1:10:28] The purpose of traditional rites of passage
[1:17:50] Adapting religious orthodoxy to the 21st century
[1:24:13] Faith, Catholicism, and morality
[1:33:43] How do we justify human dignity?
[1:38:25] Be grateful for and protect what we have
Great talk I learned a lot about the new weight loss trends on Ticktock and which bicycle tires are best. I think Brett and Heather mentioned something about biology in there somewhere but I'll certainly be ordering that new barbell.
Compelled speech.
They want to FIRCE you to speak words that you know are false, to think thoughts that you know are false, to see 5 lights instead of 4.
It is a FEATURE of any Communist regime that it insists that you speak lies.
"Live not by Lies."
-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Oh my, you've got my eyes blurry! Bret, and his beloved Heather have truly helped so many of us navigate through these "funny" times.
#BlessedBeThee🐦
You seem unaware that the New Covenant replaced the Old Covenant, and that the Talmud says Jesus is in Hell boiling in feces, and that America is Israel's little bltch.
YOU EXPERTS NEED TO LEARN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRIMARY AND SECONDARY SEX CHARACTERISTICS. PRIMARY BIOLOGICAL. SECONDARY FEELINGS MASCULINITY AND FEMININITY. YOU ARE NO EXPERTS 😂😂😂😂
The rare joy of listening to sane adults/humans. If the Nobel prize were still worth something, I'd nominate Heather and Bret for humans of the decade. #Sanity
I concur! Intelligent, lovely, American Heroes. Truly.
That prize is just as political as the cover of Time magazine.
I was a tomboy. I had so much freedom to literally play in the dirt and get filthy, grimy, sweaty, hurt sometimes. It was bliss, and toughened me up. I still play in the dirt, but I am a real woman, feminine, and so glad to exist/be exactly as I was created. Let girls be/exist, let boys be/exist. Stop pushing this confusion on children, not even in high school. It is grooming.
You can’t change sex and the legal system and laws should reflect that. Laws should not enforce fiction or lies.
You don't care about biology or law. You just hold bigotries and hatred due to your extremely poor character.
Same as Bret and Heather.
Do you deny the relationship between HIV and AIDS like Bret and Heather do as well?
Well, even Bret Weinstien was a bit late to the COVID stuff but he always spoke honestly which I greatly appreciated. It's a good thing that Bret Weinstien was just one of about 30+ doctors, scientists, and passionate content creators that I followed throughout the COVID debacle.
I wish they could see my standing ovation for everything they are saying.
Sit down, incel.
I really like this interviewer, he's endearing and smart. He's open to learn but also self expressive. He's a bit different, his character comes through and I personally like it.
You made my day with this lovely comment. Thank you. I understand those who are like “hey buddy, why don’t you just shut the hell up” too. Different strokes!!
Phew
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I absolutely love how respectful Brett and Heather are of each other. Notice how they never interrupt each other. Adore both! ❤❤
I noticed that, too.
Their goofball joking with each other on their podcast is s tier too
I think what we've lost is the idea that life is sacred. Life is miraculous.
We lost how to objectively define and agree what life is first. After that, we lost the idea that life is sacred.
Merely giving the scientific definition that "life begins to conception," devoid of any further statement, causes apoplexy amongst some people.
I knew Heather and Bret, would be brilliant. As usual, thoughtful, soft spoken, prepared.
Excellent conversation with these two wonderful humans. ❤️💛
Been waiting for this. Thanks for the good content. These two need more eyes and ears.
TH-cam and the establishment won’t allow it. But that doesn’t mean they’ll stop or that we’ll stop seeking them out!
It is human nature to sacrifice everything for your highest priority. Most people do it accidentally.
To me it looks like adulthood comes when one makes the conscious, voluntary decision to sacrifice everything for their highest priority. That’s why it is so often triggered by parenthood. Suddenly that child is the most important thing in the world, and every sacrifice can be made for the child’s benefit.
I’ve not been astute enough to voice my opinion on the changing gender roles from the 70”s to now. Heather, well said!
As a teen in the 70's I watched womens liberation develope and for the most part agreed with it as far as equality and oportunity.
But what a couldn't help but notice is rather than develope their feminine side, women inmitated and mimicked the baser male "behavoirs" trying to be "one of the boys" right down to the vulgarity.
As a male I'd be the first to tell you we have enough idiots on this planet already without woman making the same mistake.
It used to be a women complimented and corrected a male (slapped him upside the head and told him to grow up and be responsible) now women are just as screwed up a men are.
I gave this a listen because I love Bret and Heather and boy, I sure wasn't disappointed! I took a lot of notes. ❤As an ex-Christian, podcasts with great conversations like this have become church to me. It feels great to quench my spiritual and intellectual thirst at the same time.
Much love from Canada, the land of the not-so-free. ❤
Thank you for this amazing comment, even if it’s making me a little uncomfortable to be a religion replacement. A high compliment to be sure!
P.S. sorry about Canada. It seems even farther down the road to serfdom than the US. Gulp.
I too thought this was a great podcast, thought provoking in so many ways. I’ve read “Man’s Search for Meaning” many times over the years and that aspect of no matter the circumstances, we are ultimately in control of our thoughts has always stuck with me. I’m not religious but I can see how expanding your mind and listening to other perspectives could be so helpful. I live in Canada too and I agree, the now not so land of the free and especially so here in B.C.!
@@lizanneward1484 Well sending you extra love then because I am also in BC! Eastern Fraser Valley. What about you?
I’m from Vancouver but live in Victoria now and so we can both relate to the craziness of what is going on not just from the Federal Govt. perspective but also the Provincial Government!
I too enjoyed this and I’m a Christian. I’m curious about your ex-Christianity though.
What happened?
“We don’t know what’s jeopardizing it.”
The jeopardy comes from misaligned priorities. Human beings will sacrifice everything for their highest priority, and right now we prioritize safety, comfort, and convenience. The species got this far by prioritizing courage, authenticity, and excellence. Those are the “traditional values” that have been lost, but it’s not too late to reclaim them.
Cooperation. Humans thrived with cooperation and social bonds.
@@llkoolbean4935 VOLUNTARY cooperation
Brilliant conversation! As a nurse who is EXTREMEMLY interested in scientific mysteries. What Ive witnessed the last several years has been nothing but some sort of social science experimentation on people claiming science as the irrefutable god made me horrified and terrified.. I grew up fighting cultic doctrines and survived, knowing full well how they work. I could see very clearly the fear, the redefining of foundational literal words to fit narratives being made up without foundations. Anyone knowing how to READ and understand the science can clearly see how the data is being manipulated for exploitation. It made me embarrassed to be part of the medical profession. I now just care for very few people in my family that are very keen on "the science" seeking vision beyond this fake overton window we are being sold as the ONLY WAY.
I too am ex medical and due to mandates will never go back. I am totally disgusted by our profession . The bulk showed themselves to be stupid, greedy and self interested , displaying none of the characteristics of compassion, empathy , loyalty to their patients, ability to critically think and willingness to look beyond what to me, was an obvious con.
I blame infiltration of money from private interests into education the biggest problem and the reduction of selection criteria and of real education in favour of making money for educational institutions , for this degradation of a once trusted profession
24:29 re: the birth control pill: “Instead of encouraging more men to act like women at their best, it has encouraged more women to act like men at their worst.” This is an amazing thought.
Religious principles of living a good life still apply today. I also think that going back to the roots and traditions is very valuable even in this new world. And I also like that this has not changed. The older we are the more we go back to our roots. My grandfather was an Orthodox priest, and I’m more drawn to his life and teachings than ever before. And this is somehow liberating. I live in Canada and I’m probably going back to my roots.
Not a practicing Christian but totally agree. Now more than ever as our secular 'educated' population creates other things to worship.
Traditions came about for a reason! Traditions solve problems.
Do it! Have you discovered Jonathan Pageau yet?
Heather, starting at about 5:40 and lasting for about 8 or 9 minutes, is BRILLIANT. Everything, in under nine minutes. Perfect.
I finished listening to the rest of the podcast after I made a comment, but need to add, Bret and Heather really complement each other. Bret has always had a way of describing highly intellectual thinking in understandable language for everyone to grasp.
Thank you for this marvelous video! Three exceptionally learned people NOT trying to sell me an ideology But instead candidly offering their personal observations and insights and offering well thought out suggestions on how to approach the pressing issues of our time. And leaving me with much to think about!
This is brilliant. Love HH and BW. And as a raised Catholic, the same nun who taught us religion (she included all major religions in senior years in a positive, never disparagingly) taught us biology, including evolution. And we had a Quaker teacher (Geography), a Jewish teacher (mathematics, commerce). They were given holidays for their "feast" days. 1970s.
What a beautiful start to the conversation by Heather. She was on point and very descriptive on the subject of sex/gender. Bowie was great. A 'genderbender' was the appropriate word, but still a man. As a baby boomer myself, I can relate to those awesome times of the 70's,80's and 90's, Heather touched on. The difference was,no social media.
I raised three kids. And as environmentalists, we lived very simply. Education and experiences are the things we spent money on. We unschooled. They shared rooms. Spent time outside. Kids are not that expensive if they don't need a new iphone every year. And then we have three adults who live light on the earth and can follow their passions because they're resourceful and know how to support one another and live in community. And you know those kids with iphones and the latest games. They now don't seem to know how to work and have relationships. Raise your kids close to the Earth.And they will help solve the future and they will be happy. Also we come in this world with death as a known outcome. So why bring children into the world??? Enjoy and bring goodness and peace to the world while you're here. There are never any guarantees.
neat little slip into anti-natalism there.
@unreadlibrarian Don't bring them into the world to do as the corporatists want them to do, and ruin their own lives and then also the lives of others. That was what I heard. Made sense to me.
I love Bret and Heather... I could listen to them talk about recipes for apple pie and be thoroughly entertained and engaged.
love how respectful Brett and Heather are of each other. Notice how they never interrupt each other.
I knew Heather and Bret, would be brilliant.
I would never suspect evolutionary biology would be so useful in helping to make sense of so many seemingly unrelated topics, especially complex systems. Very cool love these two
The problem here is that Bret and Heather think that logic is the coin of the realm. When you're up against postmodernists, that's bringing a gun to a banana fight. That is why it is so important to follow James Lindsay
You've gotta be kidding
@@KGS922 no
The problem is logic?! Oof... I think the problem is people confusing PERSONALITY with gender/sex... Humanity is a species with a distinct, intrinsic binary divide: male(man) and female(women) - there are biological, mental, emotional differences all based on the very genetics, capabilities and body compositions of these differences.
@@JustinVillemure postmodernists don't acknowledge logic
This is correct. The arguments being offered by the woke are emotionally motivated rationalizations.
At least part of the truth is extremely politically incorrect. Many of the conversations we must have to sort out the truth these days are, but the rise of women is society has lead to these emotionally charged illogical ideologies. Not sure what to do about that though …
Had no idea these 2 were partners. What a wonderful couple. I could listen to them for hours
Nothing makes me sadder for people than when they say they’re not believers 🥺
Polished!
Thanks everybody. Great convo
Imagine that… one person says “I would have to disagree on that” and the other says “fair enough” - what a concept!
Thank you so much for a fascinating and stimulating conversation. I’m a British man, lucky enough to have been married for nearly 51 years, with three daughters and seven grandchildren. I’m increasingly aware that their world is very different from the one I grew up in. How do we ensure that they live productive lives with hope and belief that the society we live in, though far from perfect, is far better than almost all others and it’s worth trying to live full lives and ones in which they will bring up their own families?
I guess be present... care. Love. Ask. Build a family culture that will draw them to meaningful things and people. Don't let them withdraw into their own little worlds and show them that THEY MATTER.
At least I hope that's gonna work, other than trusting God that's pretty much the plan over here.
I just discovered this channel; I’ll be listening to more. At 1:40, you just blew me away! And Heather’s answer: “I don’t know how to answer that question.” Ha! Nailed it!
Welcome aboard, my friend. Glad to have you here!!
What a relief to actually see and hear some sane and aware adults for a change.
We need to stop criticizing each other, put our own houses in order, but we have a social responsibility to criticise the institutions...
The idea that all humans are equal didn't come from religion, except perhaps the retconned story of religion we use these days, where it's all peace and love, rather than persecution, mass murder and xenophobia as it was for a long time when the religious were in power. The reason we can consider everyone equal these days is, it seems to me, because we've discovered how we all share an evolutionary origin, how all of our thoughts and actions are (increasingly) connected, and how horrific the results of hate and violence (whether motivated by tribalism, nationalism or religion) can be. We've learned through living with the consequences of our own mistakes, and by discovering the origins and nature of ourselves and the world around us.
How do you think this country was founded? it is a overall good country because of the Christion beliefs and values. With out Christion values and beliefs you end up like we are now, lost and confused.
I think something that is really common(true for most of my close friends) is that many people think that to be human is to transcend nature. They don’t see themselves even partly as animals or part of a nature. These are self proclaimed “inside cat” types that say they’d be happy to never step outside again. Its a transhumanism thats values avoiding discomfort and seeking pleasure as high virtues.
Bret and Heather are Brilliant....I am always amazed by how much they know and can articulate in words that I can understand and learn...thank you for shared intelligent conversations...keep it coming
I watched the previous episode with Bret and Heather and was incredibly turned off by the amount of ads. I took a chance and watched this episode and was pleasantly surprised that the amount of ads was significantly less. Much better viewing experience. Cheers!
The monthly fee is worth it.
The monthly fee is worth it.
why do we need the "gender" concept at all? why not just "sex roles"? Heather gave an elaborate academic answer but didn't really answer the question. just in case you are able to follow up on this.
I think the reason for the gender question is that, if the radicals can make everyone believe that there’s no such thing as male and female- then you’ll believe absolutely anything else they cook up. There is no more fundamental truth in the entire universe than “male and female”.
As far as I can tell, the work “gender” got substituted for “sex” decades ago because it seemed more neutral and less emotionally charged (“hehehe teacher said, ‘sex’”). So because we already had two words for the same concept, one of those words could be co-opted by people with agendas.
Because if you done use gender you can't play the silly word games if base and switch where you start by discussing presentation through gender and end up using gender to describe sex.
Or just "personality"
The only plus I can see is in pointing out regressive unscientific roles and norms, calling them gender and then working to eradicate them
No such thing as gender! Let’s stop using this unhelpful term.
Sex is the correct term to describe the TWO types of human.
"Trust the Science "is an appeal to authority.
Fantastic talk. Everyone on the planet should listen.
I love so much what you said about faith. The lighthouse was an amazing analogy.
This was amazing. Thanks guys.
mainline protestants and even more liberal catholics have tried to modernize and that backfired spectacularly
Yes, trying to change the natural order of things is never a good idea
@@big_red_machine3547 Do you know why it backfired?
I believe these religions have modernized significantly. Can you explain some of the reasons you feel that has backfired? I may agree.
@@barboglesby2162 Sparkle Creed. Cratering of attendance.
I also believe it has backfired, I know my reasons but I'm in a different country, I'd like to know your reasons.
Heather nailed it on her analysis of woke science. A RELIGION based on a warped and erroneous view of science.
Great to hear logical sensible analysis on a ridiculously emotional issue. Great couple, respectful to each other. Love it!
This couple are both accomplished scientists, researchers and parents whomever would be of great benefit to civilization must have a response to their point if view concerning the questions of: "What is the reason I am here, what is the meaning of existence, why does it matter what I think, or what I do in this expanse of a cosmos?" Considering the trajectory of the lives of these two educators who in instances have uncovered real issues that challenge modern thinking about science and scientific ideology itself, are still being ignored or actually canceled by those who were challenged, it is rewarding that the average person like me is able to hear and understand this point of view that although counter to what I may have had or still have as biased beliefs, to become more critical of my own logical conclusions and able to entertain even the most ludicrous of the post modernist's spaghetti logic, but still can discern truth and a signpost to the way forward, with courage to take that path.
There is so much to comment on here that a comment doesn't justify this. Let's begin with the concept of evolution, which is such an unstable and erroneous foundation. These are like three children trying to have an adult conversation but too proud to humble themselves and ask for help. The saddest thing here is the pride that in the end will corrupt it all.
Superb discussion but unfortunately Dad doesn’t know much about Catholic Religion, hopefully he will learn one day, and we Catholics believe that Word of Good doesn’t adjust to anything ,it is Word of infinite Wisdom and it is not about rites
Truth is so important and needs to come forward
I theorize that biological realities were basically denied in psychology after WWII due to fear of what happened in Germany...And Skinner's black box, with the Blank Slate theories dependence upon social constructionism became the gold standard...
I was adopted (my mother was coerced) I believe the confidence of removing babies from unmarried mothers for placement with more ‘suitable’ couples and making contact between mother and her child illegal was also due to the ‘blank slate’ belief. It’s just not true, I was nothing like my adopted family. Total misapplied theory that one!
@@HellCatt0770Certainly when I was at university, the nature side of the nature/nurture debate was a No No.
I agree
Thank you all three of you for such a wonderful, in-depth and lengthy discussion.
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Putting away childish things. You are a serious and sincere person who has an interest and takes action in being a steward of nature and a member of a human community = adult hood. Plus having control of your emotions.
Considering the topic, our host says “I feel” a lot. I really notice that men who have a feminine proclivity say “feel” and not , the masculine “i think”. Goes to show that men have a feminine side and women have a masculine side. It doesn’t mean that a sex change needs to happen! Just something to ponder
As you have implied, another part of adulthood is eschewing the thrills and chills of Catastrophism.
On the having kids thing, a lot of us can’t afford it, we have been priced out of existence let alone raising kids. You can make an argument for doing it anyways and figuring it out however raising kids in poverty usually dooms them to that same poverty and a life of unfulfilled potential. I personally refuse to raise a kid in that environment.
I’ve always thought the same, plus the idea that I didn’t want to bring a new life into such a disgraceful world, and have the child blame me later on
I mean, do you expect to be poor forever? And I don't mean in a "I'm gonna turn things around and be a millionaire" type way but like, you know, figure out a way to live a reasonably comfortable life in a place that doesn't come with the costs of NYC or some other expensive place. I mean, I think a lot of the "kids cost so much" is built up by a bourgeois sense of having to pamper kids to the hilt, but they don't actually eat much, haha, until they're, say, teen boys, but there are solutions for that, too. They don't take up much space, can get 'em a room when they're a little older. It's mostly this keeping-up-with-the-Jones' idea that you have to pay $25,000 a term for private school, buy them designer things, update their iPhone every year, and send them on ski holiday's in Vail or whatever, lol. They mostly take time and attention.
Anyway, I'm not even arguing that people should have kids, but I do think a lot of the talk about expense is driven by people who want to sell something (and then scared parents believing them).
@@brek5this. It’s always useful to figure out who is behind the push to discourage people from doing perfectly normal and natural things (reproducing) and what they would get out of it. Especially hen they have you thinking it’s really *your* idea.
Kids actually cost very little. Its you, the parent, wanting to have name brand goods, expensive cars and a big nice house that is expensive. Children are happy with some legos or dolls or Tonka trucks and hand-me-down clothes and things from Goodwill. What they really need is food, shelter, water, and love. Healthcare and education are provided in this country. So it's not the children who are expensive, it's your personal ideals and the lifestyle you choose.
We were poor when we were first married. We lived in low income housing, and drove an old car with no air conditioning. Our children never cared, as long as they were loved and not hungry. If you shove them into a mentally ill society based on materialism, then maybe they'll be unhappy, but you can avoid that by choosing your friends and choosing your media consumption.
Don't blame expenses on the kids. It's YOU who wants it to be too expensive.
People also try to list higher education expenses as a cost of having children. I call BS. If your children are worthy to go to university, they should have been smart enough and worked hard enough to earn scholarships. If they didn't work hard and earn scholarships for themselves, then they are not fit for college and should just get a job and/or go to trade school.
@@daisyviluck7932 @oneperson5760 Yeah, I mean, I didn't want to seem like I was encouraging OP to have kids or that it's some kind of moral imperative, but having raised 2 and, I mean, not poor but not anything resembling rich, haha, we came out all right, and we're also half raising my niece (long story). But yeah, for the most part, like, I'm making myself a pot of spaghetti, and my 3-year-old niece eats a little bowl that I am not worried about, haha, and it's more about her wanting to stir the pasta or add salt, plus play time with me whether that is with toys or her climbing up and jumping into my arms, that is more the "investment" than any worry about too much spaghetti getting into the pot or if she ganks my brocolli and breaking the bank.
Similarly, with education, I mean, there are expenses, but I found them all manageable, but again, the biggest cost in terms of my life was time... like when your daughter comes home at 11 years old and says, "Well, we learned about this thing in class today," and you engage with them and the material, not even "help" with homework (although that's a thing) but just getting them to think about things, making them discover their interests and deal with hardship/obstacles. Yeah, you have to turn off your podcast or whatever and read with them or have a discussion about some issue.
Anyway, I'd say any economic hardship I've had (which there's been some--again, I want to make it clear this is not a "Don't be poor" post) has been mostly of my making and not due to the kids. And the pro tip for teen boys (especially if they are athletic) is buying in bulk and buffets, haha. Fill 'em up at the buffet, even if you'd like to be eating a dainty meal at a boutique restaurant, haha.
America needs to get back to judeo-christian biblical values on marriage sex gender and everything else
Re Judeo-Christian teachings: “A tradition is the solution to a problem that has been forgotten “. Wish I knew whom to credit for that bit of wisdom.
DESANTIS/SEARS (Winsome Sears) 2028 🇺🇸 Done!
@@gj1695 how would a female vp bring in Judeo/Christian culture? Don't believe women as leaders is highly looked upon in the Old or New Testaments. It's a punishment for leaving God.
Heather makes the argument “don’t destroy something until figure out what you’re destroying” 4:30
Brett does just the opposite with religion insisting it be thrown out unless its uselessness can be upgraded.
I have long said don’t destroy a person’s religion unless you have something better to replace it with.
Great debates from them but now and again he exposes the limitations of his 'liberal'/'progressive' past. I'm not a practicing Christian and supported our secular society ideas (in New Zealand) but now in my late 60's and see we laid the pathway for the now out of hand transhuman push.
Bret doesn’t understand religion’s underlying function*. Chesterton’s Fence. * just a cultural blind spot, not a personal fault.
Heying admits she doesn't understand why all mankind individually deserve the dignity of respect and equality because she conflates economics with it. Those who have faith in a higher being realize every person was created equally. Perhaps without faith, this is harder to believe? We all don't deserve the same economic status: largely that is something for each person to strive to obtain. For this purpose we offer education to all children in the more advanced cultures to offer the young a starting place.
I am glad to hear Bret distinquish between the environment and climate.
This may sound strange, but I have rediscovered my faith multiple times after it had waned. I have undertaken several extended water-only fasts, refrained from engaging in sexual activities, maintained purity in my thoughts, prayed, and immersed myself in spiritual readings. Like clockwork, on the 29th day of fasting, I consistently experience a connection with God. I believe that those who have never experienced a connection with God may find success by following this method. It is important to exercise caution and possibly consult a healthcare provider while engaging in these practices.
Generally a great interview. Not sure why the interviewer felt the need to cut off Heather when she was very respectfully expressing her opinion on the human population versus the resources required to express it. I was wondering what the end of her sentence was.
Beautiful. I enjoyed it. The view on the importance and benefits of religion is enlightening.
There is nothing new under the sun. Traditional faith does not need to change to suit the times. Modern people need to read and understand how to apply its wisdom. I am also becoming more Catholic. For me, that means I am actually learning and loving God, improving my prayer life, and cutting things out of my life which are offensive to God, and completely having trust in Jesus.
You are a role model, perhaps without even knowing it.
What really bothers me about conversations like this is that we never hear of anyone talking about "Natural Law Ethics". Natural law ethics is the ethical foundation of Christianity and it was the application of these ethics that in large part made the west what it was. As Christianity has become weakened our collective ethics have become weakened. If we're going to reform Christianity we have to outgrow the theology and realise that the ethics is what we need to bring back. James 2:14-26
“The Science” phrase is equivalent to the 80s horror movies that blamed evil on “The Comet.”☄️🎬
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Brett is totally wrong about the religious stories being "outdated".
As an evolutionary biologists, he should know that human nature is unchanging since antiquity.
I don't even consider myself to be a particularly religious person, but I still recognize that the biblical stories and biblical morality are fundamental. By their very nature they will never be outdated.
Sure you can spend time reinterpreting them in order to understand them properly in our modern context, but the underlying stories are just as relevant now as they have always been... perhaps even moreso given the public's ignorance of them.
I think Brett and Heather are backed into a corner. If they agree the traditional texts are still valid, then they would have to see LGBT lifestyle and abortion as all wrong, abominations in the eyes of God. I don't think they can make themselves agree with God on this, so they discount the validity of God.
Bret would like to have the benefits of a religious society without having to shoulder any of the responsibilities. His “The Bible doesn’t mention uranium so it can be completely dismissed” schtick is a convenient hand wave.
In his defense, Hhe’s not the only one. There’s a bunch of conservative atheists who are caught in this dilemna.
Problem is, Christless Christianity is only a bandaid, not a cure
Except those morals are just internally human -appropriated externally by religions, then they divide the humans
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@@johnsallie3181 Can you explain how they just got to be internally human?
how does "bisexual" make biological sense?
For women it gives pair bonding to care for the children
Makes more sense for women, biologically and emotionally speaking. Historically, they could still enjoy sex and companionship when men were away for war, and still procreate if the opportunity arose. For men, perhaps they get double the fun 🤭
@@big_red_machine3547 Pleasure without procreation?
Justification for the equal dignity of everyone-BECAUSE THAT IS THE WORLD YOU WANT TO LIVE IN.
What do you say to the people who have kids who are drug addicts? Especially in today’s climate with the access to drugs. Not all parents were bad parents who lead their kids down this path.
As the daughter of parents who have watched their other children deal with drug abuse to a life threatening degree, prison and over all horror….. I don’t know if I can or have it in me to pursue parenthood if there is no guarantee that I won’t watch something like this unfold. It’s terrifying.
Not doing something that can bring you joy and fulfillment out of fear of unknown happenings far in the future is not a worthwhile belief system.
It basically comes down to - do you want to do worthwhile but scary things and live to the fullest (and yes, risk some heartbreak), or do you want to "play it safe" and end up regretting all the things you didn't do?
Children are the hardest thing to "happen to you", granted, but they also and even more so the sweetest, funniest, loveliest creatures in the world. They bring joy and life and curiosity and excitement... they challenge you in a good way. They demand everything of you but you will not find a worthier cause to live.
All the best to you. Don't let fear dictate your life. Learn... become wise... you are not bound to repeat mistakes of others or the past. God bless.
You have the awareness now that addiction is something your kids could contend with. Your responsibility is to teach them moderation and temperance, as well as the denial of immediate reward.
These are all positive things for everyone, so you wouldn’t necessarily be raising them in a way different from other kids, just with an aim to avoid a pitfall that you know exists.
@@e.c.winner7252 all of those things were done by my parents and countless others who have seen their kids destroyed. Nothing could have prepared my parents for gangs preying on a special needs school and targeting kids who weren’t mentally developed. But that’s what happened to our family.
I studied agricultural science (and graduated). The thing is, you can't say "a little bit of warming here is ok because we are in a cold period". What is ok in one region might be devastating in another, for example an average temperature increase on land might have minimal impact, but the same increase in an aquatic environment like a coral reef would be catastrophic.
It's the loss of biodiversity that is the threat, not the warming or cooling itself and there are many causes for biodiversity loss. A changing climate is but one source. Human activity such as logging, agriculture, urban sprawl, over fishing and exploitation of the natural environment impacts biodiversity just as much if not more than climate change, but you generally don't hear about it because of profits and greed. That's why I left the agricultural industry. It's a powerful cartel that has one goal, and it's not to provide people with food.
We have the technology and the means to preserve nature and live harmoniously with it. The real cause of biodiversity loss is economic, so in order to preserve what is left we would need to invent a new economic system, which just won't happen. Humanity is far too greedy to save itself unfortunately.
There are a lot of reasons to not have kids today and I would have liked to hear more pushback from Bret. As an evolutionary biologist it would be nice if he approached the possibility of our near term extinction due to overshoot and loss of biodiversity instead of simply saying that “the models are trash”. Which models are trash specifically? IPCC models? Sea surface temp models? Loss of biodiversity models?
I think it’s possible that he wants to believe they are wrong because he has children and wants grandchildren, etc. He may also be hiding the fact that we are unable to solve climate change because he may think if people knew the truth that mass chaos will ensue and will cause collapse even faster. It’s no different than what the MSM is doing by distracting us with all sorts of divisive rhetoric.
Personally though, I think people should be informed especially when making decisions for other people such as we need to do for our children. They don’t have the choice to be here in this mess. Only we can make that choice. I think we should be able to make it an informed one and most young adults have some time to wait.
Take an indicator like plastic pollution or world wars or collapse of the food chain, or addiction etc. and every year evaluate whether or not they are improving or getting worse. If the future looks bright then maybe it’s ok to bring up a child or maybe they will decide it isn’t.
What’s important imo is to not pressure our youth into having children if they don’t want to do so. It’s not fair to our youth nor the children they most likely won’t be able to take care of in a world that cares more about profit than people and nature which we all depend upon in order to live.
Also, I think Bret and Heather know collapse is possible because I recently saw them in another video where they discussed the possibility of collapse with a different host where they discussed it from an evolutionary biological perspective which makes a lot more sense than discussing simply as an emissions issue.
It looks like you drank too much of the climate propaganda. Antibiotic resistance if far more scary. The first world should be having more children than the 3rd world. Don't buy their bs. Have kids.
Have you explored the possibility that climate change , food shortages , gender confusion , the replacement of native population, and the removal of ownership, are all being created to fit a narrative that encompasses population reduction , complete control and coralling of remnant populations , the destruction of national pride, the destruction of countries and of religions.
This was outstanding. I applaud you and your guests. Excellent. I would say the response to modernizing religious belief based on the current way of thinking is the problem not the solution. Your guests suggest that orthodoxy is a pattern linked to its time and place and can’t be used outside of that. Those truths, rights of passage for example are processes transferable to any time and place Science and scientists have a place in our world but its amazing to me two extremely intelligent people don’t engage in conversation with intelligent religious people. I am catholic too and you gave a great testimony that fell flat at their feet as to say the science is settled. At the end of the day this was fantastic. Thank you very much
Lol at Mr Weinstein stating that he was talking too much. I hit the subscribe button within the first 5 minutes of this. Bravo! This is excellent!
I agree with the conversation, but I would even suggest that feminizing of men and masculinizing of women started earlier with radical feminism. Radical feminists would be very derogative about male behavior while “empowering” women to have male roles. Not to say a spectrum of behaviors, but they would say man bad, woman good but traditional woman bad, only radical feminist woman good.
It's possible that it has something to do with the endocrine disruptors in much of our food.
We don’t need to ‘adapt’ religious orthodoxy. It’s adopt or die. Those of us who still practice orthodox Christianity remain in functioning communities. We have optimism for the future and have the purpose to weather the trials of life.
My community continues to have children in healthy numbers meanwhile secular society is sterilizing its children, aborting babies, engaging in casual sex with strangers instead of marrying, delaying adulthood, and so much more.
Atheists and agnostics are voluntarily taking themselves out of the gene pool en masse. What effect do you think this will have on future demographics?
You never fail to impress with your videos.
James Lindsey is excellent and complicated at times
At about minute 53: "Becoming an adult" Max Reisinger, who just turned 21 and runs a four businesses from Austin TX, has talked about this several times in his recent videos.
I loved this!! Bravo Dad, Bravo!
Ideals are nessessary, but like infinity or perfection they can never be fully attained/reached. One still must strive for improvement. In the real world " down in the trenches, or reality" one should never confuse the two.
I see people confusing the two all the time, and then calling out their opponents for not having or being "ideal/perfect" which is absurd.
Shame on Heather for referring to the unborn as a "parasite". She should know better from both a scientific and zeitgeist stance.
...Oh My, I just LOVED this!
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I wish these 2 had the courage to go "all in"!!! It is very evident they undoubtedly comprehend what is taking place in western civilization at the moment..... i presume one could safely argue their level of understanding is far greater then most, which id submit includes myself... however, what is also very telling is their "societal reverence" for lack of better term. What i mean by this is their willingness to dance around this subject which is obviously a result derived from fear!! Given some of the situations they've found themselves in publicly?? I may not agree, but can understand why they may be hesitant to dive in head first. Ive never had my career put in jeapordy by simply speaking "out of turn".. With that being said, we no longer have time for this approach. This is going to take many high profile individuals, ideally if not inevitably simultaneously being willing to die by their own sword! And real quick, maybe my choice of them "dancing around" the subject may not be fair, so if we instead want to land on "treading lighty", im fine with that.. but the levels to which are protecting this institution and the scale its taking place on? Its going take an awful lot of sacrifice in order to curtail this phenomenon. Which in my humble opinion, is the only thing that can save humanity. I don't claim to be a schollar nor an intellectual like they are. But for whatever its worth, i genuinely believe this is absolutely an extinction level problem that must be solved rather quickly!
I liked the talk about rites of passage. Being born in Michigan, and growing up, we really did not have rites of passage, nobody, did around where I lived. But, you could see it in the movies, like with some young Indian Brave...etc. and later when I moved to the East (Japan), kids actually have several rites of passage in stages, ultimately after their 20th birthday, when the "coming of age" ceremony is held. I was thinking, that it might be better if we had rites of passage in the west like that. I wondered if like Scotland did Celts have rites of passage that we lost when Christianity came. I wondered. I mean we kind of have some rites of passage, like turning 16 and getting your drivers license and turning 18 and being able smoke (legally) and voting for the first time, and finally turning 21 and being able to drink. Those as rites of passage just seemed kind of weird compared to some powerful cultural rites of passage from different cultures that I witnessed later.
My kids being Korean, their first rite of passage is when they were 100 days old! Because in the past there was so much more infant deaths it was really something to celebrate if your baby made it past 100 days! It kinds of signified that you finally made it out of the weeds and from there the going forward could be....I don't know, but like the initial roughest part was now behind you.
I just realized some rites of passage that, at least I had as a young boy in the scouts. Each year, we could graduate from like a Wolf to a Bear Scout, etc. and we had Scout Jamborees. Also, just before you became a Boy Scout, you could attain the "Arrow of Light", the highest award that a Cub Scout could achieve...So, I think that the Scouts actually filled some of that rites of passage for young boys. It is a sorry state that has become of the scouts these days. It will never be for young boys what it once was. It was also, one of those things that was culturally meant for boys.
Leaving elementary school to Jr and high school? Big change in expectations with each change.
13:47 "I like dogma." I feel philosophically minded as well, which is why I despise dogma.
Almost everything of central significance has at some point been upended and overturned.
After the host said this, he has an uphill battle gaining my confidence in him and his thought.
“How do we justify human dignity?” Brett the scientist: “I don’t want to answer that because it doesn’t require an explanation.”
No, they drink the water in the book. It just got tamed for the movie. Cannibalism's common among pagan cultures. The water belongs to the tribe, explicitly to nourish them. It's part of Paul's catalyst to becoming a tyrant. That's typical Hollywood. May even be remnants of the Haze Code still being used.
Yep, Paul definitely is meant to cannibalize his friend. The water belongs to the victor. They'll probably ruin the ending, too. Paul's the villain, that's what makes Dune a Masterpiece. The point is a conflict of the Ethical with the Moral. That's what the book means. The Ethical is what's universal, and the Moral what's necessary. They weigh and store it as currency.
I meant this to go in Genetically Modified Skeptic's video on Dune, but I feel someone may enjoy learning about the novel, here, too.
What really ,truly and honestly sucks is that Dr, fauci, cdc ,much of academics have done is in concert with things witnessed in the 1970s and even earlier than this.
Cdc swine flu vax catastrophe paralyzed thounds of kids the same exact way in the 70s . It was even worse more fringe events earlier in the 1900s.
Even in the fbi they're acting in concert with a pattern of behavior that has lasted far longer than anyone is comfortable with.
Nobody is willing to say we need to go back to men's and women's roles that we lived by for the last 10,000 years. This says everything you need to know about how we got to this point in the first place, because we all are of mindset that it would terribly for women to go back to being women because that would mean they would be less than not equal in that roll, which is the lie that got us in this mess in the first place. Women are not less than for having babies and tending to families of the human race, it was never true and we must stop caring this idea forward or there won't be a human race to make anybody feel better than or less than because we can not survive with the women. Which makes them pretty dang important and it is about time we start saying it.
Firstly, I want to express that I appreciate this video so much…
In regards to the discussion on sex and gender: the comparison of hardware and software is wonderful… but I would be very curious on their thoughts regarding how society has enforced gender roles and gender “ideals” that resulted in people feeling they are transgender in the first place? Also the psychology behind individuals, like drag queens/kings, discover they feel more themselves when dressed in as a female or male illusion and feel at home being referred to as the opposite pronouns? And discussion around intersex individuals- I know there are exceptions, and seeing as the human population has risen immensely over the past 100 years, so the pool of exceptions is higher than ever… but all questions that should be answered and discussed. From a biological standpoint, all this makes sense to distill it down to our function, but we need to have a psychological and sociological perspective here as well for a 360 view. We are far more complex organisms than fish, plants, etc…and we then need to also discuss what does it mean to be a woman? A man? Feelings of not associating with either? Beyond our function and our parts… beyond specific cultural specifications… Genuinely curious to hear more!! I personally wish we were not so attached to labelling everything and boxing ourselves in. We can appreciate Bowie and gender-bending, rock n roll/punk rockers wearing make up, and accepting girls being just “tom boys”- but let’s be real- these things were not widely accepted. They were heavily criticized and you were accused of being a “f*g” or bullied. I liked the direction of gender-bending, but it was never truly accepted- especially if you weren’t a celebrity. And this was just in the Western world. Until we can completely dismantle expectations on sex roles/gender roles- this is the growing symptom that people are trying to find ways to push back against. The sex roles are limited and different based on which country you live in and the cultural and societal aspects you are surrounded by growing up.
Regarding the choice to have or not to have kids… aside from some people’s reasons regarding the environment, “hating” kids, etc… people who have kids that shouldn’t, people who have kids that didn’t want them or don’t deserve them… there are some who want kids (like myself), but financially cannot fathom making it work. Or maybe there’s health factors that don’t allow for kids and lack of access to care to resolve it. When our human basic needs of housing, food and health is seen as a privilege to be worked for and for most, still unable to reach it, instead of a basic need… I’m a socialist, so this would be one of the biggest things the world needs to address. We want to “pull our weight in our community”, but it does not naturally look like how it is being utilized now by capitalism.
I am curious about the religion you feel is key… since “the old ones” are not Christian/Catholic, etc… these are religions that wars were fought for… or are we discussing true ancestral religions- nature-based religions, like Drudism? There is a great movement of the “spiritual” and connection with nature and humanism within a more pagan frame. For me, this is more peaceful, open-minded and natural, but I will not say any one way of being spiritual is correct. Only to do no harm- mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually to others for the sake of your own beliefs.
I would argue that art, science, math, music, any kind of spirituality or religion are, in your terms, 'a lens' into seeking a truth, the one truth we are all seeking. The answer is the same. it is the approach, how we question that truth, that is our argument.
Heather, GO OFF. ❤
“Hyper-novelty spiral”
Great phrase
I like and respect Bret and Heather but I can never get over the oxymoronic stance that they and so many like them take which says in essence "we recognize Problem. Problem stems from aspect of modernity. This Problem doesn't exist if humans function as humans are designed to function. So solution to Problem would be to reject the aspect of modernity which causes Problem and return to functional human existence thus alleviating Problem.
But we aren't advocating for a return to tradition." As if for all it's obvious and observable benefits "trad" is a dirty word and a bad thing..... You just got done speaking at length about how it's a benefit and works better but you despise the idea so much regardless of it utility as to shy away from it.
I'm not sure what I would classify this kind of stance as but it reminds me very much of the technopilic stance that I see so many people adopt today which says for every problem there is a technological solution and more over that for every problem the preferred solution must be technological.
Stop being so progressive that you can't see what is right in front of you.
Surely a significant aspect of this excellent debate is the critique of Brett's statement (at about 25mins) that our civilisation has been advanced by the creation of the pill and 'freeing up' of women from child birth. Eg Mary Harrington's debates on 'progress' and feminism.
Leaving aside the ideas that ALL of THIS is just another arena of created conflict for the plebs while the fleecing of all of us continues at pace!
I think it’s a question of what is and is not “progress” from a human perspective. And the answer is complicated… and there’s more than one. Material progress is one thing. Progress in psychological/spiritual health and well being is related but distinctly different in kind. And not everything that has empowered the former has been wholly good for the latter.
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@@DadSavesAmerica explain how birth control brings prosperity. My husband and I married as teens, he immediately joined the Air Force to get training while earning a living. He used these skills throughout his civilian career and is near retirement age. I had our 10 kids and homeschooled them. They have all been out of the home for over 10 years now. Most are raising their own big families. All make between 80k-300k per year with one income homes. That's a lot of productivity coming from our marriage. My husband's brother stayed in college 10 years for his 4 year degree. He married but they didn't want kids. His wife worked. Together they had a nice life, investments etc. But they are also hitting retirement age. What now? They are bored with traveling since they have always traveled. Me and hubby can now start traveling. And we have 30 grandkids and counting. In a few years we will most likely have great grandchildren because we started our own family young. On a strictly financial basis there is no comparison. And why limit a family to 2 or 3 kids when the mom is staying home? Why not have 5 or 6 or even 12? Being a homemaker doesn't limit women but enriches all facets of their lives.
I'd love to see a respectful debate between Mary Harrington and Bret & Heather. I respect them both deeply and they both bring excellent points to the table. I am conflicted between the 2 positions and a debate with them would be very interesting and I think useful.
As a mature female i personally fear for everyone but most especially girls and women, with what is occuring around the world at present, the lack of protection afforded women and children, is opening the door for mass abuses, or women going rouge and breaking away from simply being corralled and farmed. We need men to awaken because we like it or lump don't have our voices heard like uz do...