Get This Instead of a Semi Modular Synth
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- Get this instead of a semi modular synth! In this video we are looking at what modules you could start with and why semi modular isn't a direct gateway into Eurorack.
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Totally agree, I tried starting with semi-modular and it just confused me. I learned way more quickly once I started researching which first modules to buy.
Yeah, it all comes down to outcome I guess and what you want from it. I personally also share your experience. Thanks for watching and for the comment :)
I didn't get that much out of my mother before I had a case full of modules.
I like semi modular. Modular system is more like laboratory with flasks and test tubes, where you can mix and chemist everything with everything anyway you like. But semi modular synth is a whole synth with formed character and soul. It's itself can be deep and interesting for learning and investigating it. And in the same time you can patch it with other modules if you like.
I agree. Again, I’m not suggesting people don’t buy them. I own some myself.
So I skipped semi-modular, and went straight into a 104 palette case after playing around with vcv rack and miRack and Drambo for months. My rack is bleeping away as I type (just got my iPad to talk to my rack via usb into intellijel’s midi 1u) and it brings me real joy. So many weird (& cheap!) MIDI sequencers on iOS to play with! I’m a _total_ beginner by the way - no real musical or technical ability (yet) but it’s all just so much fun! Working out how to make things happen, learning all the time… A few nights ago I patched 4ms’ ensemble oscillator into 2hp’s freez effect & hooked an log from ochd into freezes sample rate input and just listened to it do it’s own unguessable thing for ages.
I gotta say I had been thinking of getting a semi-modular like the neutron or even the taiga but from what you say maybe I shouldn’t bother? My wallet is pretty relieved 😅 I am waiting for an expert sleepers es-9 to show up so I can use all the vcv/mi-rack modules directly with my case, which should stave off GAS for a while 🤞
My first module was actually a collection of them - the 2hp picnic basket, on sale. Totally recommend it (maybe add a cheap VCA/mixer to complete it, the quantus ampla would fit nicely).
Anyway love the channel, hit me up if you’re ever in Dublin!
Love your videos. The humor is top notch!
Thanks for the comment mate. Means a lot. Cheers!
LOL .. I started with Semi and worked my way into full Modular .. and have no issues incorporating both types units .. yes Semi is sort of a cheat but it's all about having fun and make Noise (Music) .. still learning but that is what makes it fun !! My Crave works will within the Modular environment !
You have a good strong name. So I’ll allow it.
Exactly, I went down buying 4 semi modular synth clones and all by themselves they were great, but in most cases the individual components have limited access to use them in other ways - its a patchbay with intention and therefor premade decision went into design in most cases. I ended up selling every four (pro-1,neutron,model-d and k2) - the two-tier stands were not a thing that day so having 4 synth cable clutter unable to stack them left me with a selfmade shelf with books below... I kept moog m32 and dfam because I really like them inside my ikocase (big bonus inside the case is they have a power switch :) Getting individual modules with a lot of cv options will allow more freedom of patching in the long run. Every new module will multiply options :)
Thanks for watching and for the comment. Moog stuff is always going to sound outstanding isn’t it. Those synths are modern classics and well worth investing in. You’re right and that’s the great thing isn’t it, that compound growth that occurs in modular. Thanks again.
Although I kinda agree, it’s not really straight forward. In retrospect it’s always easy to say “I should have done x”, when in reality the learning process makes it impossible to know what would be best from the start. I actually thought like you and that’s why I started with a modular system - an AE modular rig with 3 VCOs, a couple filters, a couple VCAs, envelopes and a bunch of utility stuff. Costs about as much as most of the non-Behringer semi-modulars. It actually confused the heck out of me, because I didn’t really know where to start! It only opened up for me when I got myself a Behringer Crave semi-modular too and that sort of made it clear how someone who knows what they’re doing would patch an east coast voice. After that I added a bunch more utility + drum stuff and effects (including Monsoon 😀) in Eurorack. However, to figure out what was missing I first needed to figure out what I was doing and for that a semi-modular was better suited.
To be honest, I think it’s even somewhat unwise to start with single modules, because it’s hard to figure out what goes together and what doesn’t if you’ve never owned any modules. One basic mistake I made was assuming that modules from different manufacturers always play nicely together. Envelopes from my Mutable Peaks clone don’t seem to open up my Befaco A*B+C fully when using it as a VCA, so my plan of using those together with my third AE modular VCO amounted to nothing. And while not all Voltage Controlled Amplifiers actually amplify the A*B+C actually does, which means that using it as an attenuator for the Peaks into the Crave was kinda risky. Peaks LFOs already go to +/-8V anyway, amplified even more which isn’t great if the Crave warns not to overload the +/- 5V inputs. Accidentally turn the wrong knob and I have more than double the intended voltage, yikes! Both great modules by themselves that I use all the time now, but the two of them together for my scenario back when those were my only two modules? Nope! Which of course I could only figure out by making that mistake. So, I agree generally speaking, but in practice, for anyone who doesn’t own any semi-modulars going straight into modular means jumping in at the deep end. Or possibly falling overboard near the bermuda triangle? 😂
Hi again, thanks for watching and for the input. I agree it isn’t straight forward but I do think this is what makes it worth discussing. Experiences like yours here highlight things that people may not consider.
My intention isn’t ever to really impose any particular method upon people, rather than just to offer alternatives and open dialogue like this. If nothing else it might just add an extra night of research for someone and help them make a more educated decision.
I know I don’t take any of it very serious and everything’s alway more anecdotal than factual. I just love these discussions and if it’s helpful or entertaining along the way then bonus haha.
Thanks again for sharing!
Aaron
@@Mavenfiction I think it's definitely valuable to put the option out there for people to consider! I also think there isn't really one best way of doing things, it might be very individual for people. For example, a lot of people get into VCV Rack before buying any hardware, whereas I never managed to wrap my head around modular in software. It just didn't inspire me? I use it only occasionally now, but in a very different way than I use my hardware. And to be totally honest, my first modular failure even dates back to 2003 with Reaktor long before I could afford any hardware! Sat in front of it for several hours and couldn't get it to even make a sound 😆 There is no one size fits all approach to this. For some starting out with a granular effect might work out best, others need a pre-patched east coast synth to get the signal flow and again others need unlimited copies of modules in software!
Lol you totally know my journey... started my (semi) modular journey with a Neutron and about to get Beads as a first module :D keep up the good work and jokes!
Thanks for watching and for the comment. The beads takes some experimenting with but once you get to grips with it, it’s really cool! Thanks again, Aaron.
I'd recommend the 0Coast, of all the popular Semis, it's the most 'modular', with loads of functionality and tools that can interact with other modules. I great starting point, and years of surprises to be had.
Yeah I do think the o coast is the exception. I’m gutted I didn’t mention it in the video. Thanks for watching and for the comment, I totally agree!
0 coast if you’re a seasoned analog’r with no modular experience it’ll get you excited, sizzling fun harmonic manip. with no filters. Beware! A true gateway drug✌️and it goes with everything
How I started out :)
I just wish i went the other direction, after spending 5 K on Eurorack within a few months (and another 5 K within the next year) i think i should have stayed with the Neutron + SQ-1 or the 0-Coast for a longer time and learn and play with those. I even prefer the MS-1 to a couple of System 100 modules.
Hi, yeah inevitably the eurorack format isn’t for everyone. And the cost can certainly quickly mount up! The o coast is such an amazing piece of kit. You could buy that and never need another synth again! Haha
Practice is key. It's common to think the gear is the difference. Pro tip. Get a small set up together you like, allow one variable that you can switch in and out for other instruments. Never leave it hooked up though it needs to be a little bit of a choir. Practice 3x30mins. Or 2x45mins. Make one of the times at the same time everyday, alone, relaxed and not distracted. The other times of days and where or what your doing doesn't matter. It's important it's everyday. Even if you just sit there and make 2 sounds back and forth. If you find your making a sound you really like either stop or slow down, whichever works best for you. Then deconstruct it slowly and get to understand what's going on, why and how do you get more or something like it. If you do that for 30 days and I 92% guarantee you will stop wasting time chasing gear, have more money, hone in on what you actually like, have a better understanding of how not to let your 10k excursion happen again, make music quicker and be relevant in a convo with people that know what they are doing. Do that for 5 months after that and you should be able to play small gigs. Which will led to a little scratch to help build your system in a more organized way, you'll have more friends and get Laid more. You gonna do it?
I went all in on a 208 case filled with Make noise and Pittsburgh Modular.. had it for 3years but got really tired of patching with cords. Was making me crazy so I sold it at a significant loss, and set about looking for an all in one that gave me access to abstract experimentation without the patching. At least less so. That became a rabbit hole of it's own. Looking back, my Euro was almost a dream machine but I didn't enjoy it and I have had better results with much more meat and potatoes monosynths by putting the effort out to play them more than program them. You have to find what works for you. At this point I could put together a more effective eurorack system having learned from the last 8 years I have been doing synth music with less exotic gear..but why bother, now I am broke!
Hey Aaron - Yes. If you want to do generative stuff, for example, I don't know any semi that can cut it.
Hi, yes very good point Ian (as always)! Hope you’re well.
@@Mavenfiction As ever 😁 Thanks Aaron.
Agree Beads, Clouds, or clouds clone is a great start and that is what I did.
Hi, how are you this week? Yeah, it was actually just an accident that monsoon arrived so much earlier than the other modules I’d ordered but I’m so glad it did!
@@Mavenfiction Clone of clouds was my first but I upgraded to Beads which I really like.
@@I.O.M. I’d love to see what you do with beads.
Cool and very funny video… subbed… and also looking at videos on that module! It might be my first when I take the modular jump 👍💯
Great video! I like your ideas although I'm very hesitant to get into modular. I do however love what one can do with a nice modular. Subscribing to you to learn more.
Thanks Jeremy. Hopefully I can help. Let me know if there’s anything specific you want me to tackle :)
I thought everything I learned from semi modular would really help me when I got into modular but I was very wrong. I’ve learned more about synthesis from one week with the after later audio qarv than two years with semi modular gear
Hi, thanks for watching and for commenting. I’m relieved that someone agreed so quickly. I thought maybe it was just me. I had a few semi modular synths for years and never patched any of them. Even when I did I just copied off TH-cam and didn’t know what I was doing. Modular forces your hand doesn’t it and the process is far less scary than people realise. I’ll have to check out the module you mentioned. Thanks again.
I feel like i wouldve had the same issue if i didnt use vcv for 2 years before getting actual modular gear. I started with the minibrute 2s, specifically because of its featureset. In terms of features for use with other modules, it seemed like a good starting point, and i still feel like it is, after already knowing things. Im going to swap it out one day though, to pack in more functionality into that space. I patch it regularly, especially its oscillators which i often use for a kick drum
I'm just getting into hardware. I started buying my first piece of gear back in Dec or Jan. I've got a Hydrasytnh 49, Minilogue XD, Opsix, Behringer Model D, MPC Live 2, Beatstep Pro, Zoom MS 70CDR (Pedal), Electro-Harmonix Grand Canyon (Pedal). I'm running everything through a Tascam Model 16, I also have a Zoom R24, which has some cool features. I'm kind of stuck on which piece of gear to get next. I'm trying to figure out if I should get into Eurorack gear, but I would like to get a rig that works asap, and then build it up. I could probably put about $1500 usd down for a rig, but I'll have to wait a bit before I can get anything else. I also thought about getting some semi-modular gear like the East Beast or Mother 32 and DFAM. I used make strictly hip hop, mostly boom bap era. I'm leaning into ambient and more textural music now. I'm trying to keep the drums at a minimum, and keep the rhythm in the textures. I love crunch and off beat randomness.
Wow you went in hard on gear haha. Congrats. If you need any help with anything let me know! Cheers.
Just getting into modular. Think your right I have a neutron and love it but I really wanted to go straight to modular. So now bought the nifty bundle and behringer brains. (What are your thoughts on the brains) and will probably go for some dreadnox modules next. I’m on a small budget and you seem to get modules that do more than one function.. seems like a no brainier. Cheers for the video
Hi, thanks for the comment. Yeah that’s a great start. I’ve not used the brains but I believe it’s currently the most sold VCO as it stands. A lot of People traditionally would start with plaits and this has 15 of those engines then an additional 5 doesn’t it so it’s a pretty solid start! You’ll find a lot of modules do allow for a multitude of uses and you’ll probably rarely use a module how you initially intend to haha. Good luck, keep me in the loop! Cheers, Aaron.
Well, as you said, It depends on where you begin. When i first started out i saw modular like a normal analog monosynth with extra stuff. Thats why i got first a semimodular (arturia minibrute 2s). You get a very specific sound out of that synth and most users could tell "oh that pluck was made with the minibrute because of the wavefolder sound or the way the steiner-parker-filter sounds. Its still a beautiful synth tho but i usually use It as It is - a monosynth. I was (and still are) into that idea of having multiple voices playing and being interconnected and everything is connected to the daw. But with the semi, its kinda difficult to get out of that osc - mixer - filter - vca view since its difficult to "break" the connections or to use f ex the mixer for other stuff. This is where i got into "real" Eurorack. I pretty much got the behringer system 100 collection (not all of It but the most important stuff) and some doepfer modules and from there on i got this "modular" feeling i wanted, of not having any rules to go after just to patch and let electrons do their thing. The sys100 collection is still a collection but i love the sound, the concept, the limitations and the looks of It so used that "vintage modular collection" in conjunction with modules like rampage from befaco or disting from expert sleepers and _there_ i knew, know im 100% into full Eurorack modular madness territory. Its really about the modules you use, the more versatile, CV inputs and "unfamiliarity" It has the more "modular" It is.
But in the end its about the sound and the fun right? Greets from Spain :)
Hi thanks for watching and for the comment. It’s great to hear your story and how you’ve evolved. What sort of music are you making? I totally agree with you about selecting modules and getting that modular feeling, especially from the unfamiliar! Great so see that 🇪🇸 is in the community!
Cheers,
Aaron
@@Mavenfiction normally deep house and some trappy-dark-future bass, hard to describe. But since i got into modular I like to make trance and techno but also generative/experimental/ambient music. These newer genres are mostly only connected with Eurorack and honestly tho, i actually have difficulties using Eurorack in my creative "song creation" process where i would write chord progressions, different melodies, vocals. I usually need to use a plugin before just to more or less get the sound i was imagining and then later on i would take my time to patch everything up and record It. This is where semimodular really shines, when you just want a quick bass and have everything already "prepatched" and just jam with that, but then decide "lets just modulate the resonance with pink noise" or something and get the cables out. Thats a tidious thing to do on a normal modular if you dont want to be patching half an hour just to get a bass.
The more i do sound design the less "actual music" i produce. With "actual music" i mean 3 minute songs with two choruses where i would share my feelings etc. I still enjoy doing that (even tho i didnt publish anything new online since a good while) but the process of just patching but also creating percussive sounds, loops, effects, drones etc is just so satisfying and funny. The lines between making noises with your synth and writing chord progressions are difficult to follow sometimes but they are still two very different things imo, they can complement each other but they arent the same. So yeah thats my take on that. And you? Do you feel the same or do you have a different approach to music as a whole? Pretty sure in a video you talk about this profoundly.. but i prefer conversations hahah. Greets :)
@@andewprod agh cool man! I do agree, it’s not the easiest way to achieve sounds but it is fun and does give you an appreciation of what goes into synths.
It’s taken around two years but I’ve finally about got a system where I can use it to make structured tracks. The plan is to hopefully write an electronic track a week on a livestream.
It’s funny because Modular has become the popular topic for my channel but to be honest my background is more pop music and production. I’m a more competent lyricist than I am anything else but no one on here really even knows about that side of my career I guess haha.
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I loved starting with my semi modular when i knew i wanted to start eurorack. it was nice to have an arturia minibrute 2s to have to get started, it gave me a keyboard and a bunch of fundamental stuff to work with since a be eurorack user track isn't very extensive usually... and you can create to all kinds of sounds with it- pretty much anything. but really i like to have hardware synths and eurorack, i mix the two together... so to me a semi is just a hardware synth with a bonus- a patch bay! It all comes down to what i get out of it for the price and how unique those things are that i get out of it.
I like the line hardware synth with a bonus. I’m going to pinch that if it’s ok and use it haha. Thanks for the comment mate!
@@Mavenfiction haha np of course you can. Kinda strange is my kinda people, and that seems like you..lol. one love man. Keep jammin.
Oh and line 5 was supposed to say "... since a new eurorack user's rack isn't extensive usually..."
Just for clarity for whoever looking at that like wtf...
You are absolutely right, and I wish I’d heard this a couple of years back. Don’t make the same mistakes I did… but I’m starting in the middle Way back in the early 70s I wanted a Synthi A, but they were £329 then (about £5k in today’s money) so there was no way. Anyway, I got into guitar bands, then punk, and synths in the 80s and 90s were just AWFUL, and in the 00s I had no money. Finally a few years back I got a Crave, and then a Neutron, and then a s/h Model D… Thing was, although I learned a lot about analogue synthesis from them, I learned nothing at all about modular because it’s so hard to look past the ‘normalled’ connections (I did have a lot of fun with the 0-Coast though- now there’s a semi to lust after…) Then I decided to go the full modular route, and made the most expensive error- I bought a Pittsburgh Modular Lifeforms,thinking it would be the portal to the full-on experience; it wasn’t. I dropped nearly £200 on that deal.
Cut to the chase- I now have pretty much the set-up I wanted all along, and to my slight surprise- and the total disbelief of iOS and hardware synth-heads- it it’s the easiest form of electronic music I can imagine. Wanna connect two things? Do so with a cable. Want an LFO? Simply patch one (or more than one if you have an Ochd). You can see everything, hear what it sounds like, and physically touch the connections. By comparison, even the most straightforward iOS synth is monstrously complex by comparison, and if you want to know what the LFO is modulating you have to write yourself a note, cos you won’t be able to see it.
So yes Aaron (did I hear that right?), you’re spot-on, and if you need someone to fight along side you, then I’m game (except I’m not- I’m an old coward with a bad back). Metaphorically speaking though, bring it on!
Hi again, how’s things this week?
It’s amazing hearing peoples stories. I’m glad that so far, those who are deep into modular are in agreement. Everything you have mentioned above equates to my experiences.
Thanks for agreeing to join the metaphorical fight haha!
Cheers,
Aaron
@@Mavenfiction Mixed week, positive on balance. My MSW 16 fader bank rocked up damaged and a no-go, but I’ve learned some neat tricks with Plaits and am currently MAKING A NOISE.
Did you say you were Scarborough area? I’m up that way-ish in August…
All the best from Rory the Border Studios-
Wal
@@walrtbstudios5430 oh no, not ideal.
Yeah I am, you’ll have to give me a shout!
What is with cascadia?
Yeah, I love it! I am with you on the SWN. Let’s do a split.
Do you have one? We should have a catch up soon my friend!
Hi, I'm wondering if you have any thoughts on AE Modular? You get to design your own synth but much cheaper. I appreciate that the number of modules available isn't as high as for Eurorack but I'm guessing that this will grow. Thanks.
They seem like a fantastic company. It was the way I did initially plan to go as a cheaper option to decide if modular would be a workflow I’d enjoy. In the end, my circumstances changed and I had a bit more spare income so jumped straight in. Even in the couple of years since I looked at it, the availability of modules has grown. I’ve not used it but from what I’ve heard it sounds pretty great. It might be a bit fiddly due to the size but that wouldn’t deter me I don’t think. Cheers.
@@Mavenfiction Thanks mate, that's quite useful to me 👍😎
I agree but I am still grabbing a Neutron in a month to go with my small setup. I could use the VCF and Sequencer and honestly the VCO while I am grabbing stuff later on this year after being out of work for a good few months. It’s a good deal and I cannot imagine that I could get the same functionality in modules for that price. Plus it helps when I want to work on some EBM or Industrial stuff when not inspired with ambient noise or generative music.
Yeah they’re great! Good luck and enjoy! :)
@@Leviathan-mj8gi totally agree my friend.
This was absolutely great! I like your approach. Any chance we can have a chat? I'm getting into modular synth and I'm confused.
U r best module man
Much appreciated:) thanks!
I think i like semi-modulars themselves more than eurorack, lol
Yeah that’s cool man haha. It just depends what you want. I’m working on a new setup for home with some gear for a new project and I’ve brought an ms-20 back from the studio to prove I don’t hate semi Modular’s 😂😂
@@Mavenfiction ms-20 is a beast! also, check out Ipppei Tambaataa, he does some wild self-oscillating stuff with it.
Recently been thinking I wish I was still doing music, so watched a few videos. Fuck, you are funny. Intentionally or not, you make me laugh out loud. Seriously, love the content, keep it going!
I’d encourage you to get back into it, lives too short! Haha thanks. I do try but usually only laugh 😂. Thanks for the comment. Loads more content coming soon.
That’s exactly it. Life is way too short, and I’m thinking I wish I was still doing this! WTF!? Thanks, and hopefully soon I’ll be back doing what I love…
Hear me out. What if you got a semi modular and then got a Clouds (more likely a Monsoon)? My plan had been to basically use the semi as an initial voice and to start to build a rack from there so I didn't get stuck with having no way to make sounds and a beautiful case with a single module for months. I say this as the owner of a Behringer Neutron who is currently making the most of it.
Yeah, so if you already have the semi modular synth then certainly utilise it! I’m not against semi Modular synths like I say. I love them. It’s just people with no hardware, who want to end up in modular often say should they go semi modular first. The Neutron is great!
@@Mavenfiction That's what I figured you meant. I must say that you have basically single handedly sold me on the Monsoon as a next step! That will certainly begin my modular journey. I appreciate your content a lot. Looking forward to seeing how your channel grows.
I'd probably suggest something like a Pittsburgh Lifeforms sv-1. For people starting out, It's got all the basic functions in one box, and everything is patched in a way that would be applicable to a larger system if deciding to expand later on. Clouds and Beads and other fx are fine but you don't really learn about synthesis by focusing on them right off the start without learning the basics of synthesis in my opinion but people often find these modules to be the gateway drug introducing them to eurorack so whatever get's people turning knobs is fine by me.
Yeah that’s a great idea. Again, it comes down to recognising that not everyone wants to make an east coast style synth and that something like granular is a form of synthesis in itself. I know I’ve said it already but clouds and beads really was just an example. I do totally agree with you though and equally agree people should just be experimenting and making music however they see fit! Thanks for watching and for the comment. I appreciate it.
I posted this higher up, but then I saw your Pittsburgh post and moved my comment down here. I see from the various replies (above) that the 0-Coast is a popular option. I bought one first and indeed enjoyed starting off there. Although plenty of modulation possibilities, I did find that after a time it has its limitations.
However, I also bought (for teaching purposes) a Pittsburgh Modular Lifeforms SV-1b. With 2 LFOs, 2 VCOs with plenty of modulation options, mixer, filter, envelope, VCA, S&H, and a few more things, it's not only fun to start off with, but also very very useful in your eurorack (if you decide to go in that direction). The whole thing can also be controlled, like the 0-Coast, with midi if needs be.
Lastly, great videos you're making, I'm having much fun watching. Thanks.
I will take any kind of synth I can get... Just don't have room for a big modular hardware synth right now... I have Voltage Modular and I like it a lot does not take up any space except for megabytes on my computer...☮🔥
100% agree with you!
Thanks mate. It’s rare anyone agrees with me so it’s extra special when someone does haha. Thanks again.
@@Mavenfiction it seems so logic to me! People go for modular cause it’s fancy and fashionable maybe, but that way it’s just money burnt for nothing… might as well get classic hardware synths… modular is for sound design and experimentation, if you buy hardwired synth with patch points you never learn… the fun and learning curve on synthesis is worth only with a full modular set up.
Also maybe because my first "modular" experience was, welp, Reaktor 5. I was "spoiled" by digital modular, hence i prefer "small systems" in hardware world :D i really want to get a bunch of 4u serge panels, though. One can dream XD
Oh man. I dream of a serge system!
I get a lot of what you are saying. It makes sense. Here is the problem, though. Everyone always says, "It depends on what kind of synth you want". Yeah, on the surface, this is true, but when you are starting, no one knows what they want.
What I would like to see, is someone with a fair amount of modules, start putting together different beginner set ups. Each episode show the basics you would need for a particular type of set up, then show how it can be expanded on.
I did meet a guy who has a Mother 32, a Maths, Clouds, and a couple other small modules, and he was doing some really cool stuff.
Hi mate, thanks for watching and for the comment. I have started doing this but it’s a pretty big task. There’s a few videos on my channel making 32HP systems and more to follow.
I’m not a fan overall of deciding what you want a system to do though to be honest. It’s modular. It should do a variety of things in my opinion. But I get there has to be a starting point.
Sorry Shawn, quick follow up question… what types of set ups do you think would be common or applicable for the series? Thanks.
@@Mavenfiction Totally get that is a hard question. Not knowing makes it even harder to answer. Your video actually gave me the idea, when you were talking about a the clouds clone and a wave table. Sounded interesting, and I wanted to explore that idea more.
Here are some brainstorming guesses.
1. Effects based
2. Generative based
3. Drone based
4. Modulation based
Right now, my modular is a basic subtractive voice, a drone voice, a delay and a bootleg clouds (it may not work right, or I do not know how to use it correctly), and a euroburo. It feels really disjointed. I'm hoping to pull it together with the zoia, but just getting to know it. (Very deep, possibly a bit over my head, but, I jumped in :).
BTW, this is my first vid on your channel. Like I said, this idea came from this vid, and you may have some of these already made. I am looking forward to checking out more of your channel.
"Instead of getting a semi" ya bugger, I nearly spat out my wine.
FWIW, I got into Eurorack after using a 0-Coast for a few years. Works great as a standalone, with FX pedals and of 0-course with modules.
😂😂 apologies!
Agh yeah, now I wish I’d thought of this prior to filming because O Coast is an exception to the rule!
Thanks for watching and for the comment!
Cheers,
Aaron
I wish I'd started with strega or o-coast as they can be racked-
Can I trade back some 80's tattoos I got for a new synth? I made so many mistakes and want a do-over.
I think the reason why that piece of advice is so prevalent is because for a long time it was the only affordable way to get hands on and learn modular. It would suck to spend all that time and money on a workflow you end up not even liking. However, nowadays it's far from the only option (VCV Rack, AE Modular, etc). So, there are still good reasons to get a semi, but it's not the only halfway option anymore.
Agreed. I do love some semi modular Synths. Im glad that you’ve kind of nailed the point I was making. Some people just now want to kill me 😂
I come from a more traditional musical background from playing in bands for all of my youth. I prefer to have multiple semi modular synths. For me, there’s a balance between getting straight to making the music quickly, and having the room to experiment more when needed. Semi modular just fits that perfectly for me.
I view semi modular synths as independent instruments that have a certain character to them. When I want them to play together with others, it’s easy to do so. It helps me organize my thought processes behind what to use for rhythms, leads, pads, etc, as well as helps me hone in and develop my own “sound”.
Even though I tend to use a lot of their functionality independently, I do like to patch together the clocks, sync LFO’s, allow the expression/velocity from a synth with a keyboard to affect other modules, and so on. It’s also nice for stereo effects because you can pull the oscillators out of the signal path and treat them independently.
The bottom line is, the quality of my music has increased drastically after switching from standard synths and a modular, to one large semi modular setup. So happy we all have the options to find all this great stuff that works for us.
Hi Frankie, thanks for the comment and for watching. Appreciate it.
I totally agree that they are great. I think what we are both saying is very similar, I was just more immature in my delivery haha. But what I’m getting it is that you can’t presume that they’re directly linked as work flows even though there are similarities. Ultimately I was just saying just because you enjoy one doesn’t mean you’ll enjoy the other, which seems to translate in your case.
Thanks again mate.
I come from the same type of background. My only semi is y Moog Grandmother which I really enjoy. I have several other synths, my big one being my old Korg Kronos but I want to get a couple more semis. I've often thought I'd like to get into Eurorakc stuff but it just seems like a great way to spend a lot of money. I think there is a good reason why some people call it "Eurocrack". I see a lot of people having fun with it though and I do like what I"m hearing. For me it boils down to a cash flow issue. And my wife would have a fit if she saw me spending a lot on a never ending search for the perfect sound. I also have a guitar issue. I only need one, more!!
Yeah, I think it just depends on the reason for buying semi modular + long term modular intentions. I started with a DFAM knowing I wanted it to be the centerpiece of my techno setup, and over time bought modules to expand it's capabilities or compliment it with additional voices/sounds. It was a great logical starting point / path for me. If I could go back, I'd do the same thing. To your point though, if the primary reason for buying a semi-modular synth is just to serve as a eurorack starting point or a way to learn modular, and not just because you love the semi-modular synth you're buying, then other paths should at least be considered. It doesn't make much sense to build a system around a synth you don't love. IMO these days most people should start by spending a lot of time in VCV rack to learn how modular works and form a vision for what they want their hardware system to do. Then you can be more intentional in building your dream system, starting with a few of it's most essential modules and strategically expanding on it over time. For most people modular is way too damn expensive to dive in without a clue where you want to go with it.
" I do like money".. epic. I have a ton of synths, and not a real modular set up.. and I'm planning my modular.. but I think there is a place for both. but cool insight .
You make some good points, but you said it your self, you will have to buy 3 or 4 modules and a case straight away before you even get a sound. So I am going down the semi modular path first. I got a Moog grandmother and it's fantastic. My next step will be a case and a VCO that way I won't need a VCA and VCF etc. I patch the VCO to the Moog and away we go. Maybe you think I am looking at it the wrong way, but the Moog is such a good semi modular that I would still use it even when I save all my pennies and fully build the modular. Jumping straight in just feels expensive and complicated. Semi modular allows you to take baby steps and also gives you time to learn each module as you build your system. That's my ten pence worth anyway Lad. BTW I do patch the Moog because it begs you to do so.👍
Hi mate. Thanks for watching and the comment. Yeah the idea is to just offer an alternative, like I say I don’t discourage anyone buying a semi modular as long as they intention and outcome aligns. There’s so many variables, such as budget, music genres and so on. There’s no such thing as a bad moog product as far as I’m aware haha so it’s always a sound investment. I guess my point is just that it doesn’t translate as a direct gateway necessarily. Thanks again! Aaron
@@Mavenfiction nice one lad.👍the Moog has satisfied my GAS problem for a while though.🤣 it was my first step into hardware. Now I do have the bug. So I'm definitely looking to build a modular system. I am eyeing up the niftykeys thing. I think from no experience at all it would be a good starting point, I've seen cases that are about the same price as that and I do like a keyboard. It looks like a neat solution for my ideas. But the mad lad approach of jumping in the deep end is brave.
@@rodnee2340 I have to admit, I’ve had a look at that in the last few days. It definitely does that job better than any other product I’ve seen. I have a lot of hardware so I tend to keep the modular to less traditional playing methods and sequencers but a keyboard would be useful at times. You just want to check what ever you buy has plenty of juice and fits all the modules you’ll need. Get on Modular grid haha.
@@Mavenfiction will do.👍
Rod Nee. I think he was referring to the cheaper desktop semi's. But the GRANDMOTHER! You can never go wrong with that🙃I started with a mother32 & a clouds...no regrets. Cheers
'I can't get it up now I'm a Eurocrack addict' are words I've never said.
😂😂😂😂
I'd recommend borrowing a subtractive semi-modular from someone. Use it for weeks or months. Maybe buy Anton Anru's patches for Crave or Mother-32 and try them all out to learn to by doing. Or jump straight into a book like Welsh's Synthesizer Cookbook. You'll get to a point where the semi doesn't have what you need to try out all of the patches in that book. And instead of buying 2 or 3 Craves, you'll see that a modular system (Eurorack, Kosmo, whatever) starts to make a lot of practical sense (although not any financial sense).
Don't be like me. Don't buy a bunch of modules and use like 10% of them and wonder if you should have paid off your car loan instead.
I’ll have to check these books out mate. Thanks for sharing!
Great video! I thought building around a Minibrute 2s/rackbrute 3u setup was ace. Knowing now, I should have started with a PNW and Akemie's Taiko, which is what I bought as a separate setup. I gained so much knowledge from those 2 modules. Now I own over 60 modules haha
I’d love a taiko. I’d love all the modules! Haha. 60! Good going haha.
"ayup" 😂 Very Nottingham ❤️
Haha I’m actually North Yorkshire haha
I learned Softube Modular first in 2018 or so because I got it for "free" when I was buying Volume 2 or 3 for guitar/drums. I looked into 'real' modular but I knew if I had that I'd never finish any music - because I'd be too busy wigging out on patches. So my studio has two rules: semi-modular only and all effects* ITB. This is just so my ADHD head can finish anything at all. I need constraints, and these are the ones I chose. Still got an Intellijel Cascadia and an 0-Coast, still wouldn't go modular. It just wouldn't work for my attention span. Which I think I saw you more or less say in another video - that modular easily becomes a separate thing from making music. Wise words, those.
*had. I bought a delay pedal just because of Cascadia's unique fx loop.
It all depends on if you wanna make sounds or music
Modular can make music. Both can.
DX7>synths with mod matrix> semis>modular>patch programmable modular> kyma; egan matrix>self-designed&built modules; max> pure data> >self-developed language
Lol, “ I’m fully prepared to fight everyone “
😂 I hope people make it to the second disclaimer or I’m in for it! Haha
loooool @ the thumb
😃 it’s ironic that you should comment because I’ve not long since stumbled across your videos. Great work! Keep it up. Thanks for watching and for the comment.
@@Mavenfiction You look like a weird combination of me and my guitarist, who is also from Scarb haha.
@@StephenMcLeod haha awesome. Who’s the guitarist? Anyone I’ll know?
@@Mavenfiction Lee Simpson!
@@StephenMcLeod no way I know Lee haha. Awesome guy! Great photographer too.
in 'merika we call it a "half chub"
short story time, ya bastard,
i was in a band with a girl singer
and.. a... uhhh... shady booking agent said "nobody in the crowd should leave here without a half chub"
... lol
😂😂😂😂 amazing story! And did you deliver?
@@Mavenfiction hahahah, after knowing the singer and her work ethic, my answer would be... no chub.... ever lol
butttttt, im sure some of the audience liked our singer a lot lol
i just wanna make cool noise
I disagree. I’m glad I tried the Neutron first. I really don’t want to deal with not being able to save my presets. This revelation was real and true and I moved away from the idea of modular. But now I’m back, and not just because it’s cool but because I need to create a synth that is not on the market. This is the true benefit of modular to me and the only reason I would put up with the less glamorous realities of modular.
We are in agreement haha. Those were almost my exact words. If you just want a traditional east coast synth, buy off the shelf, it’ll be cheaper and yield better results. If you don’t want to be limited to how a company imagines you want to use a product or how they’ve been restricted by manufacturing etc, Modular’s for you. Though some people love the idea of not being able to replicate a patch as well (the bloody weirdos haha). Thanks for watching and the comment. Appreciate it.
Where's the synth in the thumbnail?
Whatever happened to less is more? Let’s just make music!
🤠 Reaktor
Do you know what I’ve got all of NIs software and I’ve never used Reaktor. Is it something I should be getting into?
i wouldve been mad, but then i realized that im broke and i cant even afford one 💀
agree and disagree. i have the radical technology delta cep A semi couple of days ago and put it in my huge system and that semi modular synth added soooo much power to my set up that i am even not able to find the right words. it's is such a tremendous sounding synth voice....damn. next invesment is the radical technology multi effeexx module. check it out....blows your mind!!!
Buy a behringer Neutron and modules later. You won't get any better value for money and you forget about the patch spaghetti.
'buy granular fx first' is strange advice. Get a Neutron used for 150 and usb it to your pirated daw software. Work out where you wabt to go sound wise
Yeah, this is the comment I was referring to that someone always comes out with on any modular video.
If you’re suggesting avoiding patching at all, then that’s an entirely separate conversation to what I was discussing. In which case I’m sure there’s an argument for far better value for money in terms of subtractive synths, especially in the Paraphonic category. You wouldn’t even need semi modular would you haha. Though again, I’m not denying that the Behringer range is great. I do agree with you.
It’s just not everyone wants to get into modular to make a subtractive synth voice though and if you’re just going to get a cracked DAW and work out your sound then why even get a hardware synth at all?
Why is it strange advice to suggest an effects module to accompany any cheap existing audio source? You can make amazing music straight away and can then quickly and cheaply get your head around how powerful cv modulation can be.
I hope my response doesn’t read as argumentative. All I’m offering is alternatives. People will make their own ways. There has been a lot of people who share my experiences, even in the comments of this video. I don’t think it can just be dismissed and is worth considering for some people.
Thanks for watching and for commenting.
Cheers,
Aaron
@@Mavenfiction i subscribed too and am not a hater, honest .
Having pre patched is just so less annoying for the user.
I have tried to make a eurorack drum machine and yes it's cool. I also have an rd8 on the table which would cost so much to do in modules and sequencing that it seems silly to bother these days.
'start with a karplus-strong module' makes as much sense to me as starting with granular.
An 0 coast or Neutron are legitimate educational tools
@@PorchBass thanks man. I get what you’re saying, yeah. I guess for me the patching is the best bit. I love it, so figuring out how to make stuff is an enjoyable process in my head. Granular was just an example, I think I just meant working from fx back, like buying a pedal but with the cv options, was one way to give yourself a way to get the case, learn how to plug in a module etc but still make sound straight away. I’m gutted I forgot to mention the o coast because I do think that is the exception to the rule! It’s amazing. Thanks again for commenting. I love discussing this stuff and I think it’s important these conversations happen. It gives those getting into it a balanced perspective on things. It’s all valuable information for those starting out and these are the conversations I could of done with to help aid my decisions.
@@Mavenfictiontone/colour is really important I agree. And I am old!
Somehow your deadpanning, modest while also truly obnoxious - ya'know the likenscribencomment-stuff, here it just works for me, which it usually does not.
greetz!
Yeah, that aside - b2600 owner here.
The thing that f***s me off real bad is its threshold voltage to admit a trigger input. i bought me a 960-sequencer specially for this machine and it gave me nightmares trying to use its oscillator anywhere - wether gates or triggers or the s/h clock - at least for me to this date its annoying as hell so i can relate to your opinion in some way, at least in a given modular system you have general rulesets to work with.
Haha thanks. Incredibly funny comment!
Agh man that’s interesting to hear. I did almost fancy grabbing one of those at one point.
You mentioned doing it on a budget. That's just impossible with modular. Even a small powered case with patch cables alone will cost you more than a lot of newer model semi modular synths. There are module options that are more affordable than others, but none of it is affordable for the average 12 year old or household making an average wage. Eurorack/ Modular synthesis is just expensive, no matter how you look at it. Especially if you want a very capable rig.
Hi, I can’t really remember what I said exactly but I guess it depends on a person’s definition of budget. It also depends on desired outcome. I agree if you just want a traditional and capable subtractive synth voice, semi modular is ideal.
At 12 I had zero money so I couldn’t afford either haha. And sadly at the moment, in the Uk at least, the average household can’t even afford food shopping or their utility bills, so luxuries like synths are out of the question. Semi modular or otherwise. I feel very lucky to be able to own and play a modular synth.
Thanks for the comment and for watching.
You convinced me.
Sorry about that haha
Fukoff. Thanks
Is it that you wrote so much helpful stuff to the person in the other comment on my other video, that you just ran out of steam at this point and couldn’t even bring yourself to add a c to fuck in this one?
Or is it that this comment came first, you thought, “this guy needs to fukoff!” but then carried on watching videos and thought, “actually he’s not so bad.”?
Third and last question… In your other comment you mention a “pro tip” (Pro presumably being short for professional). Is it more or less professional to use the proper spelling of fuck when telling someone to fuck off on TH-cam?
Thanks for watching either way and for the comments. More so this one because although the other one helped someone, this one made me laugh and that’s all I read the comments for if I’m honest.
that hairy hat bothered me.
You and me both!
BOOOOOOO!!!! no way
Let me get this straight. You're making a video for people who are deciding on semi-modular or a rack system, right? This probably means that most of us are venturing into these instruments for the first time. Moreover, most of us are still trying to figure this stuff out without much 'tech' knowledge and/or vocabulary yet. I didn't get the 'gist' to most of your ideas (and reasoning) for going eurorack, as opposed to semi, due to your more advanced 'shop talk'. You discussed topics as though you were speaking to a more advanced audience. If making content for an audience of a specific skll set... then ffs, speak at their skill set.
No. I made a video for a laugh, over a year ago based on my thoughts on getting modular in response to comments I kept getting. But more so as an excuse to make semi jokes. Buy what ever the heck makes you happy.
Most of my comments do usually say that I don’t go to heavy on the jargon though and I do usually keep it simple, can’t win ‘em all ey!
Ps, any difficult words… just sound them out. Cheers.
Pps that last bit was a joke. I just couldn’t resist it but I didn’t mean it!