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@@horseshill Natural pools and ponds can attract wildlife, including snakes, depending on various factors such as geographic location, surrounding habitat, and the presence of suitable food sources and shelter. While natural pools and ponds may attract snakes, it's essential to remember that snakes are generally shy and prefer to avoid human contact. Taking precautions such as keeping the area around the pool clear of debris, maintaining a well-groomed landscape, and educating yourself about local snake species can help minimize encounters with snakes and create a safe and enjoyable outdoor environment. Additionally, if you live in an area with venomous snakes, it's crucial to be aware of their presence and take appropriate precautions to reduce the risk of snake bites. Remember though. There is no greater risk of snakes or dangerous wildlife in a natural pool than there would be in say a pristine mountain pool or lake. The exception is if you live in an area that is devoid of much life, such as arid areas or a desert. Your natural pool would then be an oasis for wildlife including snakes.
Hello, I leave in a place with to much rain and.I.want to enjoy my pool all the year, so we decided to to an indoor pool. Can we do a natural pool indoor?
@@ХристинаПенева-т7в Haven't seen 1 mosquito larva in 4 years. To be honest I was a little concerned before I built it but the water is being circulated and filtered constantly and it seems that is enough.
@@ХристинаПенева-т7в Natural pools do not have mosquitoes for a number of reasons. Mosquito larvae need still stagnant water in order to breed. Stagnant water has very low dissolved oxygen and natural pools have good levels of dissolved oxygen from plants, movement and life. You see, constant movement and circulation of the water prevent the larvae from surviving. Natural pools also have predators that feed on mosquito larvae. Among them are the Notonectidae, popularly known as backswimmers, and the aquatic beetles (Ditiscidae). Larvae of dragonflies and damselflies also hunt mosquito larvae.
One of the best explained video out there. Also you could not have chosen a better background sound effect than the one you chose. It’s perfect. Most natural pond videos have a disco club music in the background and it’s annoying . Thanks for the video. I will subscribe and hope for more vids
Then reality smacks you on your face! This is just a fantasy for other people away from the climate/environment/ecosystem the pool behind him exists in.
I’m going to take the course… but was hoping to put in an above ground pool and see if the floating wetland could work with that application. But I also have a pond that is dry right now and when it collects water, it seeps down within 3 hours, the previous owners have said. It’s a good groundwater regenerater at this point. So much I need to learn.
Amazing, discovered your channel at the most opportune time. I bought a home with a swimming pool and looked at converting until I saw the costs involved. But you have given me inspiration to continue. thank you
I live on a Caribbean island where the sea and natural springs are accessible. I put in a natural pool to try to "bring some of it home" but the quality never cleared up to the clean clear promised look (like our springs). The always merky-ish look always had me feeling like I was bathing in a swamp (exaggerated but it's how I felt) Ended up down-sizing it a bit and just used it as a fish pond/aqua scaping and put in a small chlorinated pool to actually bathe in.. and just go on hikes when I feel for the real thing.
Insane the lack of subs you have, this video was amazing, natural pools seem like a really cool idea that I have never heard of before, definitely going to keep up with you channel. Keep up the amazing work ❤
I had a natural pool during 10 years (in France), but I finally gave up because, despite my amazing efforts and investments, water quality was never satisfying for swimming. I end up sadly concluding that you cannot "win" with natural/biological filtering against algae who have 1 million year experience of surviving in the toughest environments. Chlorine is your only real friend if you want to swim in clean water.
It saddens me that you had such a frustrating experience. I do assure you however that it is possible. I know this because I have built at 50+ natural pools which all work and this doesn't include all the pools other people have built using my consultation. Do you ever consult a professional?
@@leafandstone.naturalpools I consulted many professionals, but not you I agree. My swimming pool had great hydraulic (50 m3/h total flow for a 75 m3 pool, 110 mm diameter pipes), 2 parallel filtration systems: 20 m3/h on one low pressure system with drum filter+biological/helix+UV 150W and 30 m3/h on one high pressure system with vortex + big UV 180W + Ozone ! And even peroxyde when needed. And it was not enough ... despite lovingly adding good bacteria, carefully replacing UV lamps and tirelessly making huge cleaning effort ... not enough. Outside summer periods it was quite acceptable, but in the swimming season (about 30 degree Celcius outside) it was green, and green, and green. And the dead algea would even make unremovable stains on my beautiful tiles. I regretfully gave up after 10 years of desperate fighting. I accepted my defeat against the algea. I emptied my pool and cleaned it with chloric acid to remove the ugly enormous black stains. I kept the hydraulic, kept the mechanical filtering (added one sand filter though), kept the UVs and Ozone and injected previously hated chlorine (low dose though thanks to all the rest), and now I have a fantastic swimming pool. Note well that I agree wtih all the mentionned benefits of a natural pool, it is simply that I never managed to ensure water beauty sufficient to enjoy swimming. But good luck to the others, if you manage to do it I can only congratulate you.
@@stephdechatillon6591 If I may add something. As far as I know the only natural way to deal with algae is to have the plants outperform it for nutrients. You also may have gotten a spike in algae in the summer because there was more direct sunlight hitting the pool and the algae had a chance to grow. Maybe adding a shade over the pool, or increasing the amount of plants could have solved the problem? But Im no expert, so feel free to correct me.
What's so bad about water that's a little green? As long as there's no string algae I don't see any problem with it, it's just a sign of a flourishing ecosystem.
This is an amazing video! I'm currently living in the Yucatan peninsula where the weather is very very hot and I wonder if there could be any danger from unwanted pathogens or bacteria. I have to do some research on which plants are native and I could use since there are literally no lakes in the whole state, only underwater sinkholes.
It's crucial to understand the risks of parasites in tropical natural pools. Two primary concerns are Naegleria fowleri, or "brain-eating amoeba," and schistosomiasis (bilharzia), both found in warm freshwater. Naegleria fowleri can cause severe brain infections but is exceedingly rare, with a reported risk of 1 in 142 million. Schistosomiasis is transmitted by parasitic worms facilitated by freshwater snails, particularly in warm climates where water temperatures exceed 27°C. The disease can be a concern in pools filled with water from sources where bilharzia is endemic. To mitigate these risks, if converting an existing pool, ensure it includes a sand filter, ideally upgraded with glass filtration medium. Regular circulation of the pool's volume, combined with a UV filter, significantly reduces the chances of parasitic infections. Additionally, biweekly treatments with 30% Hydrogen Peroxide can virtually eliminate any risk, as it destroys parasites while oxygenating the water. Though some beneficial microorganisms may be lost, most will remain in the wetland area.
@@leafandstone.naturalpools thank you, I appreciate the info. I'm very very interested in building one of these from scratch. These are almost unheard of, everyone has a chlorine pool which I hate but I admit that when the heat hits 110 or more, then a pool is tempting. Your work is awesome!
Beautiful video, thank you! It looks like you have tutorials on converting conventional pools to natural pools but what about creating a natural pool from start?
Something else I'd like to know more about is heating them. Conventional pools can be heated, and I found material online saying natural pools can be heated up to a maximum of 32°C. Is there anything else people should know about when it comes to heating a natural pool? How far north can natural pools be constructed? How simple is it to own and maintain an indoor natural pool? Can people who live by the ocean use seawater for a natural pool? Can you grow edible plants in a natural pool? That's it. Other than that, I love the video. I'm a massive believer in natural pools.
Great questions! It's important to note that excessively warm temperatures can disrupt the ecological balance of a natural pool, potentially encouraging algae growth and stressing aquatic plants and organisms. While it is possible to heat natural pools, it is recommended to limit the temperature to a maximum of 27°C to avoid these issues. Additionally, using a pool heater generally necessitates keeping the pool covered to retain heat, as up to 70% of the heat can be lost otherwise. This requirement can limit some design choices. To maintain a high water temperature, it is advisable to incorporate UV sterilizers into the system to help control algae and pathogens. If the goal is to keep the water warm during winter or the cooler months surrounding summer, this approach is usually sufficient. However, if you intend to maintain very high temperatures year-round, I recommend using a combination of UV sterilizers, phosphate filters, and occasional dosages of hydrogen peroxide. This combination will help maintain water clarity and quality while managing potential algae growth and other ecological imbalances. Unfortunately, aquaponics and natural pools don't complement each other well. A natural pool aims to maintain a very low-nutrient environment, which is not conducive to the growth of edible plants. On the other hand, the nutrient-rich water required for aquaponics would lead to excessive algae growth in a natural pool, disrupting the delicate balance needed for clear water. Owning and maintaining an indoor natural pool can be relatively straightforward with proper planning. These pools require adequate ventilation to manage humidity levels and prevent mold growth. Additionally, if you lack large windows or skylights, installing grow lights that mimic natural sunlight will support the health of aquatic plants. One of the primary benefits of an indoor natural pool is the ability to control environmental factors, making maintenance easier and ensuring the pool is usable year-round. Creating a real saltwater pool, using actual seawater rather than a saltwater chlorinator, is indeed possible and follows principles similar to those of freshwater natural pools. While I haven't personally undertaken such a project, its feasibility is well demonstrated by large aquariums and marine animal pools, such as those used for dolphins. These systems often incorporate advanced technologies to maintain water quality, such as phosphate removal and sophisticated filtration systems. In such environments, maintaining the right balance of nutrients is crucial, as excess phosphates can lead to problematic algae growth. Technologies used in these large-scale operations include mechanical filtration, protein skimmers, and chemical treatments specifically designed for marine settings. An interesting and eco-friendly approach would be to incorporate a biofilter using marine plants. This method would mimic natural coastal ecosystems where marine vegetation plays a critical role in maintaining water quality. Marine plants, such as seagrasses and macroalgae, can absorb excess nutrients and help control algae growth. However, while this concept is promising, I have not seen documented evidence of it being implemented successfully in smaller, private saltwater pools.
I want to build a natural pool for swimming and snorkeling on a property in Puerto Rico with tropical temperatures. I would like to have cool fish in it that would make snorkeling in it really special. My main concerns are the brain eating amoeba and other pathogens. Is there a way to properly kill those things off without killing off the fish? I was thinking a strong UV filter might work but Im unsure how to ensure that all of the water (and all of the pathogens) would flow past the UV bulb... Do you have any recommendations on if what I dream is possible?
looks really cool. Can you tell me more about what you should look out for, like if you try to clean something in it (if any cleaning of the walls is needed or not), and what if you use sunscreens or any lotions, or what happens if a child "makes a mess"
When it comes to cleaning, the walls of a natural pool generally don’t require much scrubbing. The biofilm that forms on the walls is part of the natural ecosystem and helps maintain water quality. However, you might occasionally need to gently brush away any algae buildup, especially in areas with less water circulation. Using sunscreens or lotions can introduce oils and chemicals into the water, which might affect water quality. It’s best to use eco-friendly, biodegradable products if you’re swimming in a natural pool. This helps minimize any negative impact on the plants and microorganisms that keep the water clean. If a child has an accident in the pool, the natural filtration system can handle small amounts of organic matter, but it’s a good idea to remove any solids promptly and ensure the water is circulating well. In cases of significant contamination, you might want to temporarily increase water circulation and filtration to help restore balance quickly. Additionally, it’s crucial to ensure that the water circulation system, including pumps and filters, is working correctly. Cleaning and inspecting these components regularly will maintain efficient water flow and filtration. Monitoring the water level, especially during dry spells or heavy rainfall, is another important task. Adjusting the water level as needed helps maintain the balance between the swimming and regeneration zones. Occasionally, you may need to remove sediment buildup from the bottom of the pool. This helps prevent the regeneration zone from becoming too clogged and maintains its filtering efficiency. If you notice excessive algae growth, consider adding UV sterilizers or natural algae controls, like barley straw, to keep it in check. Overall, natural pools are designed to be low-maintenance, relying on biological processes to keep the water clean. With a bit of regular upkeep and mindful use, you can enjoy a beautiful and eco-friendly swimming experience.
I live on a very snake prone area so what would be some recommendations or advice if I wanted a natural pool without inviting dangerous wildlife into it?
This a great topic! ❤ Can you achieve similar effects with salt or ocean style water? You could have Dunes, Beach Plums and Hibiscus 4:30 🕟 and incorporate natural jetty rocks, maybe Granite Sea Salt can keep more of the standing water insects at bay, I believe that is helpful for some
Winterizing a natural pool is essential for maintaining its health and beauty, especially in colder climates. To winterize your natural pool, start by removing any debris like leaves and twigs to prevent the buildup of organic matter. Trim back the aquatic plants in the regeneration zone to reduce decaying plant material over the winter. Adjust the water level if needed to protect the pool structure from freeze-thaw cycles, and disconnect and store any equipment that could be damaged by freezing temperatures. Some people also choose to cover their pool with a net or tarp to keep out debris and minimize maintenance in the spring. As for the plants, they typically go dormant during the winter rather than dying off completely. Most plants used in natural pools are perennials, meaning they will regrow from their root systems when temperatures rise in the spring. These hardy species are adapted to survive cold temperatures and will start growing again once the weather warms up. If annual plants are used, they will need to be replanted each year. In the spring, you'll need to clean up any remaining dead plant material and debris, reinstall and inspect any equipment that was removed for winter, and monitor the regeneration zone for new growth. By following these steps, you can ensure that your natural pool remains healthy and beautiful year-round, with the aquatic plants playing a vital role in maintaining water quality as they regenerate each spring.
I really hope you get some business out of this atleast This video is SO WELL MADE! Maybe make a few shorts if you havent already to get ya name out there! Love it!!😊
Indeed they do. Water needs to be circulated with some form of pump. There are examples of pools called schwimmteich that use thermal circulation from sunlight to circulate the water but they are only proven to work only in cool climates.
Absolutely, future videos and workshops will definitely cover strategies for natural pools in different climates, including hot areas like Phoenix. Managing water temperatures during the summer can be challenging, but there are several techniques and designs that can help keep your natural pool at a safe and comfortable temperature. Natural Pools are possible in very hot, tropical climates but It's crucial to understand the risks of parasites in tropical natural pools. Two primary concerns are Naegleria fowleri, or "brain-eating amoeba," and schistosomiasis (bilharzia), both found in warm freshwater. Naegleria fowleri can cause severe brain infections but is exceedingly rare, with a reported risk of 1 in 142 million. Schistosomiasis is transmitted by parasitic worms facilitated by freshwater snails, particularly in warm climates where water temperatures exceed 27°C. The disease can be a concern in pools filled with water from sources where bilharzia is endemic. To safegaurd agaiinst these risks a UV strerlizer is a requirement. Additionally, biweekly treatments with 30% Hydrogen Peroxide can virtually eliminate any risk, as it destroys parasites while oxygenating the water. Though some beneficial microorganisms may be lost, most will remain in the wetland area.
Natural Pools are possible in very hot (dry and tropical) climates but It's crucial to understand the risks of parasites in hot & tropical natural pools. To safe gaurd against these risks a UV strerlizer is a requirement. Additionally, biweekly treatments with 30% Hydrogen Peroxide can virtually eliminate any risk, as it destroys parasites while oxygenating the water. Though some beneficial microorganisms may be lost, most will remain in the wetland area.
We’ve been experimenting with aquaponics. Wondering if we could pump the water into a hydroponic system for filtering the pool and growing a garden out of it
Unfortunately, aquaponics and natural pools don't complement each other well. A natural pool aims to maintain a very low-nutrient environment, which is not conducive to the growth of edible plants. On the other hand, the nutrient-rich water required for aquaponics would lead to excessive algae growth in a natural pool, disrupting the delicate balance needed for clear water.
Our land is in the middle of wilderness with already a lot of ponds, frogs and rich ecosystem. I would love to have natural pool, but I feel like it would really be the gathering place for 1000 of frogs and insects during the summer, as most of natural waters dry out in this months. And I need the pool for our small eco friendly resort. But is there a way to keep it free of frogs, spiders and mosquitos?
With clever design you can add space between the wetland and the swimzone. Make the water from the swimzone overflow constantly into the wetland for example, so that its hard for insects, spiders etc to land and stay in the swimzone as they get swept into the wetland area.
I totally get your concern. Even though it might seem like a little sunscreen wouldn't hurt, it can actually add up and impact the ecosystem in natural swimming pools. Sunscreens with chemicals like oxybenzone and octinoxate can mess with fish and other wildlife, causing issues over time. Natural pools work by using plants and good bacteria to keep the water clean, so adding those chemicals can throw things off balance. The best bet is to go for eco-friendly, biodegradable sunscreens. Also, try to rinse off any excess sunscreen before you jump in. Keeping the pool well-maintained with good filtration helps a lot too. By taking these steps, you can enjoy your swim without worrying about harming the ecosystem. If you’re curious, there are some great studies out there, like those in Environmental Health Perspectives and Environmental Science & Technology.
Well, the think I fear most is contemination. I don’t mind algae, or swimming in greenish water as long as it is not slimy. But the parasites carried by birds that drink water or drop their feaces? How do you prevent such contemination, or measure the bacteria and parasites? Can UV lights be used in the pool?
You can absolutely include UV sterilizers, which are particularly beneficial in very warm climates. UV sterilizers help control pathogens and maintain water quality by using ultraviolet light to disinfect the water. This is especially important in warmer climates where higher temperatures can encourage the growth of harmful microorganisms. In cooler, temperate climates, the wetland area and natural processes in a well-designed natural pool are typically sufficient to keep pathogens at bay. The plants and beneficial bacteria in the regeneration zone work together to filter and purify the water, ensuring it remains clean and safe for swimming without the need for additional sterilization methods. By incorporating UV sterilizers where needed, you can enhance the natural filtration system and ensure optimal water quality regardless of the climate.
@@alicjakempisty2729 actually never in a lake or river. In sea, of course. But in sea, there is salt, and are a lot of water. There was a lake in France however, we have visited. I have not swam there since I had no bathing suit, but we sat near that lake. My fathers eye got an infection because of insects. I have grown up in a small City in Turkey, my uncles are talking about their childhood, about how they swam in the local river. However I don't even eat the fish from the same river, because it is dirty. I have an anxiety that I got ill even if I touch my feet into the river. I wish we could swimm in our river but I have fear. I now live in Istanbul, I sometimes swimm in the sea, I enter the sea from quays. I don't get sick because of the water, but I never swimm there after a rain. And some of my friends claim that they got rash after they swim. Well, it must be about algae or chemicals, however small fresh water basins always make me fear.
Can the regeneration zone be separate from the pool? For example, in Florida, could the swimming pool be inside of a completely screened in area with the regeneration zone outside that area, to ensure that wildlife like snakes and things wouldn’t be able to get into the part where people swim?
Yes, the regeneration zone can be separate from the swimming area in a natural pool. This design can work well, especially in locations like Florida, where keeping wildlife out of the swimming area is a concern. By having the swimming pool inside a completely screened-in area and the regeneration zone outside, you can effectively ensure that wildlife, such as snakes, stay out of the swimming area while still benefiting from the natural filtration process. To achieve this, you'll need to ensure that the water circulates effectively between the swimming zone and the regeneration zone. This can be done using pumps to move water from the swimming area to the regeneration zone and back, maintaining water quality and clarity. The separation allows for the essential biological filtration processes to occur while providing a safe and controlled swimming environment. This setup can provide the best of both worlds: a secure and enjoyable swimming area free from unwanted wildlife and an effective natural filtration system working outside the screened enclosure.
Have you had any experience doing something similar at high altitude? I was planning to do something like this in the future, but what stops me is that I live at an altitude of 1300 meters. I always thought it might be harder to keep the entire ecosystem alive in the winter when it can get really cold, like -4 to -5 degrees.
Natural pools do not have mosquitoes for a number of reasons. Mosquito larvae need still stagnant water in order to breed. Stagnant water has very low dissolved oxygen and natural pools have good levels of dissolved oxygen from plants, movement and life. You see, constant movement and circulation of the water prevent the larvae from surviving. Natural pools also have predators that feed on mosquito larvae. Among them are the Notonectidae, popularly known as backswimmers, and the aquatic beetles (Ditiscidae). Larvae of dragonflies and damselflies also hunt mosquito larvae.
Wouldnt the other insects/frogs be harmful while you swim? We live in a tropic area so what should be done to avoid it being a breeding ground of mosquitos?
Natural pools do not have mosquitoes for a number of reasons. Mosquito larvae need still stagnant water in order to breed. Stagnant water has very low dissolved oxygen and natural pools have good levels of dissolved oxygen from plants, movement and life. You see, constant movement and circulation of the water prevent the larvae from surviving. Natural pools also have predators that feed on mosquito larvae. Among them are the Notonectidae, popularly known as backswimmers, and the aquatic beetles (Ditiscidae). Larvae of dragonflies and damselflies also hunt mosquito larvae. Natural pools and ponds can attract wildlife, including snakes, depending on various factors such as geographic location, surrounding habitat, and the presence of suitable food sources and shelter. While natural pools and ponds may attract snakes, it's essential to remember that snakes are generally shy and prefer to avoid human contact. Taking precautions such as keeping the area around the pool clear of debris, maintaining a well-groomed landscape, and educating yourself about local snake species can help minimize encounters with snakes and create a safe and enjoyable outdoor environment. Additionally, if you live in an area with venomous snakes, it's crucial to be aware of their presence and take appropriate precautions to reduce the risk of snake bites. Remember though. There is no greater risk of snakes or dangerous wildlife in a natural pool than there would be in say a pristine mountain pool or lake. The exception is if you live in an area that is devoid of much life, such as arid areas or a desert. Your natural pool would then be an oasis for wildlife including snakes.
Natural pools do not have mosquitoes for a number of reasons. Mosquito larvae need still stagnant water in order to breed. Stagnant water has very low dissolved oxygen and natural pools have good levels of dissolved oxygen from plants, movement and life. You see, constant movement and circulation of the water prevent the larvae from surviving. Natural pools also have predators that feed on mosquito larvae. Among them are the Notonectidae, popularly known as backswimmers, and the aquatic beetles (Ditiscidae). Larvae of dragonflies and damselflies also hunt mosquito larvae.
100ppm 35% H2O2 peroxide once a fortnight or weekly in hotter climates! also adds oxygen to the plants ;-) most hospitals use it as a great oxidizer to clean stuff.😁
@@Ozjockey111 Yup the H202 (peroxide) is a great method. It can also clear string algae and the plants don't mind it at all. A UV filter is also going to kill any pathogens floating in the water body.
Habibi, how deep can a natural pool be? I would love a 20 m deep end for freediving , however I'm concerned that the water will stagnate at the bottom and will not take part in the filtration process due to the depth. What are your thoughts please 😊
Hi Habibi, interesting question. It woudn't be a problem though. Deep is actually good as the water at the bottom doesn't see much sunlight. You could very easily slowly circulate water from the bottom to the top. All natural pools do this. That is... they all circulate right through the whole system.
Natural pools do not have mosquitoes for a number of reasons. Mosquito larvae need still stagnant water in order to breed. Stagnant water has very low dissolved oxygen and natural pools have good levels of dissolved oxygen from plants, movement and life. You see, constant movement and circulation of the water prevent the larvae from surviving. Natural pools also have predators that feed on mosquito larvae. Among them are the Notonectidae, popularly known as backswimmers, and the aquatic beetles (Ditiscidae). Larvae of dragonflies and damselflies also hunt mosquito larvae. Natural Pools are possible in very hot, tropical climates but It's crucial to understand the risks of parasites in tropical natural pools. Two primary concerns are Naegleria fowleri, or "brain-eating amoeba," and schistosomiasis (bilharzia), both found in warm freshwater. Naegleria fowleri can cause severe brain infections but is exceedingly rare, with a reported risk of 1 in 142 million. Schistosomiasis is transmitted by parasitic worms facilitated by freshwater snails, particularly in warm climates where water temperatures exceed 27°C. The disease can be a concern in pools filled with water from sources where bilharzia is endemic. To safegaurd agaiinst these risks a UV strerlizer is a requirement. Additionally, biweekly treatments with 30% Hydrogen Peroxide can virtually eliminate any risk, as it destroys parasites while oxygenating the water. Though some beneficial microorganisms may be lost, most will remain in the wetland area.
I have a 3000 gallon above ground pool and a 300 gallon plastic trough that I am planning to use as a "above ground natural pool" type setup. Do you recommend the water run from bottom to top through the bog gravel or top to bottom?
If you send the water in from the top, it can spread organic debris across the surface of the gravel, where it can slowly be broken down by beneficial bacteria. However, if you send the water in from the bottom, you'll need to design the system so that debris sinks and gets trapped, which will require periodic pumping out every few years. One advantage of sending water in from the bottom is that it’s easier to ensure it flows evenly through the entire wetland. This can be achieved by using pipes to distribute the water, preventing it from taking the easiest path and short-circuiting the wetland. So, there are pros and cons to both approaches.
I am interested in investing a natural pool however the only thing holding me back is the mosquitos that breed in the water and other bugs I don’t know about. Are there any sure solutions to this problem? I’m all for having wildlife available in the pools. But I don’t want harmful bugs in there.
It's great to hear you're considering investing in a natural pool! Regarding your concerns about mosquitoes and other bugs, natural pools are actually designed to prevent mosquito breeding. The key is maintaining constant water movement and sufficient oxygen levels, which discourage mosquitoes, as they prefer stagnant water for breeding. Additionally, natural predators like backswimmers and dragonfly larvae are beneficial and help control the mosquito population by feeding on their larvae. If you're still concerned, incorporating design elements like strategic plant placement and water features that enhance water circulation can further minimize the presence of unwanted bugs. Rest assured, a well-designed natural pool provides a habitat for beneficial wildlife while keeping the less desirable critters at bay.
Natural pools do not have mosquitoes for a number of reasons. Mosquito larvae need still stagnant water in order to breed. Stagnant water has very low dissolved oxygen and natural pools have good levels of dissolved oxygen from plants, movement and life. You see, constant movement and circulation of the water prevent the larvae from surviving. Natural pools also have predators that feed on mosquito larvae. Among them are the Notonectidae, popularly known as backswimmers, and the aquatic beetles (Ditiscidae). Larvae of dragonflies and damselflies also hunt mosquito larvae.
Natural Pools are possible in very hot, tropical climates but It's crucial to understand the risks of parasites in tropical natural pools. To safegaurd agaiinst these risks a UV strerlizer is a requirement. Additionally, biweekly treatments with 30% Hydrogen Peroxide can virtually eliminate any risk, as it destroys parasites while oxygenating the water. Though some beneficial microorganisms may be lost, most will remain in the wetland area.
What would the risks of a natural pool be? I believe that the risk of some bacterium may be increased due to the "lack" of chlorine gas. For example E coli, even though these pools lack a normal filtration system and instead uses a biological filtration system one has to imagine the risk of a bird dropping E coli contamined droppings by the pool after maybe drinking or resting. Does the pool have a natural filter to contain E coli since wild pools or lakes are met with the same problem of E coli contamination? I was also thinking about the risk of Brain-eating Amoeba, they prefer staying in still water like pools. But Naegleria Fowleri has to be transported in some way by an indvidual which is uncommon since they first have to come into contact with Naegleria Fowleri.
The biological filter in the regeneration zone is the unsung hero in controlling pathogens. This zone, teeming with plants and microbes, acts as nature’s defense mechanism, absorbing and neutralizing harmful bacteria and viruses. Imagine the scene: antibacterial agents from fungi-yes, the same family that brought us penicillin-and a host of small critters like nematodes and protozoa actively consuming these unwelcome guests. The complexity of this ecosystem ensures that pathogens are not only trapped but transformed biologically. They're caught in the sticky biofilm, amongst roots and gravel, where, if conditions are right, beneficial organisms flourish, much like the flora in your own stomach. Regarding Naegleria fowleri, a concern in natural bodies of water like lakes and rivers, natural pools present a safer alternative due to the constant circulation through a potent natural filter. This safety is contingent on maintaining water temperatures below 27°C and managing swimmer load to avoid overcrowding. The likelihood of encountering harmful pathogens such as fecal coliforms in a privately maintained pool is exceedingly low. Even if temperatures were to exceed 27°C, the risk of contracting Naegleria fowleri remains minimal, statistically about 1 in 142 million. To put it into perspective, even if you swam in water with detectable levels of Naegleria fowleri twice daily for 50 years, your chance of infection would only be about 1 in 4000. If you feel comfortable swimming in a mountain stream or pond, then swimming in a natural pool should be no less appealing, especially since the odds of infection are even lower. In tropical climates, where conditions are exceptionally warm, integrating UV sterilizers and periodic treatments with Hydrogen Peroxide can further mitigate risks, ensuring your natural pool remains a safe and enjoyable swimming environment.
@@leafandstone.naturalpools Oh! Thanks for the response I kind of forgot about me commenting this. You do provide information that I didn't even know of regarding Naegleria Fowleri. I tried searching this stuff up but I just didn't find any information . Sadly I don't live in these tropical environments and it often gets quite cold here in the winter, but in the future I plan to move elsewhere. To add to that in the summer when I can swin in nature I often do, just the idea of using chlorine to clean feels odd since nature already has a system for that. Thank you for actually spending your time in helping me with my questions and making the answer very articluate and relativly consice. I really appreciate you for this! You're an awsome guy!
The biological filter in the regeneration zone is the unsung hero in controlling pathogens. This zone, teeming with plants and microbes, acts as nature’s defense mechanism, absorbing and neutralizing harmful bacteria and viruses. Imagine the scene: antibacterial agents from fungi-yes, the same family that brought us penicillin-and a host of small critters like nematodes and protozoa actively consuming these unwelcome guests. The complexity of this ecosystem ensures that pathogens are not only trapped but transformed biologically. They're caught in the sticky biofilm, amongst roots and gravel, where, if conditions are right, beneficial organisms flourish, much like the flora in your own stomach. Regarding Naegleria fowleri, a concern in natural bodies of water like lakes and rivers, natural pools present a safer alternative due to the constant circulation through a potent natural filter. This safety is contingent on maintaining water temperatures below 27°C and managing swimmer load to avoid overcrowding. The likelihood of encountering harmful pathogens such as fecal coliforms in a privately maintained pool is exceedingly low. Even if temperatures were to exceed 27°C, the risk of contracting Naegleria fowleri remains minimal, statistically about 1 in 142 million. To put it into perspective, even if you swam in water with detectable levels of Naegleria fowleri twice daily for 50 years, your chance of infection would only be about 1 in 4000. If you feel comfortable swimming in a mountain stream or pond, then swimming in a natural pool should be no less appealing, especially since the odds of infection are even lower. In tropical climates, where conditions are exceptionally warm, integrating UV sterilizers and periodic treatments with Hydrogen Peroxide can further mitigate risks, ensuring your natural pool remains a safe and enjoyable swimming environment.
A natural pool costs less to run than a conventional pool. The energy consumption is anywhere from 50% - 25% less (depending on the design of the pool). For a natural pool we typically use a 75W running 16hrs a day (1200W p/day). A conventional pool will use a 700w pump for 4hrs a day (2800W p/day). There is also no need for the cost of chlorine or other chemicals as well which can easily amount to $50 per month.
@@leafandstone.naturalpools Thank you!! It'll be a interesting topic for a video to go deeper into this comparison, including construction, mantainance and even demolition. As an architect, I'd appreciate the insight
Do you think natural pools could be an option for public pools, or at least not super frequently used public pools like hotel pools? Or do you belive all the bacteria from all the people (and whatever they bring in, food etc.) will ruin the flora of the pool? Simply said, is this only possible for personal use?
Yes, it is certainly possible to create public natural pools, and there are many examples of successful implementations. However, extra precautions must be taken to handle the increased load of bathers, such as using UV sterilizers, phosphate filters, and significantly larger biofilters.
Unfortunately, aquaponics and natural pools don't complement each other well. A natural pool aims to maintain a very low-nutrient environment, which is not conducive to the growth of edible plants. On the other hand, the nutrient-rich water required for aquaponics would lead to excessive algae growth in a natural pool, disrupting the delicate balance needed for clear water.
@leafandstone.naturalpools I have a feeling that you could prove yourself wrong. Aquariums are clear, and the water that holds the many fish farms has clear water. Molluscs are excellent at cleansing water. Anyways here's to your success. Best wishes! T.
Natural Pools are possible in very hot, tropical climates but It's crucial to understand the risks of parasites in tropical natural pools. To safegaurd agaiinst these risks a UV strerlizer is a requirement. Additionally, biweekly treatments with 30% Hydrogen Peroxide can virtually eliminate any risk, as it destroys parasites while oxygenating the water. Though some beneficial microorganisms may be lost, most will remain in the wetland area.
Yes, it is very much possible. They are actually beneficial BUT one has to be careful. I generally advise putting small goldfish or tilapia in the pool and then not feeding them or feeding them very little. If there is enough of an area for them to scavenge they are happy and beneficial. When you feed them you are introducing nutrients which can lead to Algae problems.
It depends. Some can go for a decade without cleaning and some need backwashing every 2 years or so. It really depends on where it is and what is going into the pool. Organics will break down but fine sand or silt blown in doesn't, and this can clog the wetland over time. We design the gravel wetlands so they can be backwashed if this is required but it is usually only every 2 - 6 years.
Natural Pools are possible in very hot, tropical climates but It's crucial to understand the risks of parasites in tropical natural pools. To safegaurd agaiinst these risks a UV strerlizer is a requirement. Additionally, biweekly treatments with 30% Hydrogen Peroxide can virtually eliminate any risk, as it destroys parasites while oxygenating the water. Though some beneficial microorganisms may be lost, most will remain in the wetland area.
Yes, as long as it holds water you are all good. The liner is preferred for wetlands because it lasts for 25 + years so you dont have to worry about leaks under all that gravel.
Have you ever seen 'pond' be well planned and maintained so that it has clear water and is swimmable ? I want to avoid pumps and liners. In your opinion, is this just not possible? Thank you!
No, not possible. You need to isolate the system from soil to get it really clear, so you need a liner or something keeping it separate. Pumps and water movement also critical, however, there is a method of creating a natural swimming pool using thermal circulation, It involves leveraging water temperature differences to maintain water quality without a pump. This system relies on the natural convective flow, where warmer water rises and cooler water sinks, to create circulation. The pool must be deep (at least 3 meters) to establish a significant temperature gradient. A funnel or conical shape helps concentrate cooler water at the bottom. A separate regeneration zone, housing aquatic plants and biofilters, is essential for natural filtration. This zone is typically shallower, benefiting from solar heating to enhance the temperature gradient. Benefits include energy efficiency, natural aesthetics, and lower maintenance, as there are no mechanical parts. However, challenges include managing adequate temperature differences year-round, higher initial costs for excavation and setup, and maintaining ecological balance. Implementation involves assessing the site for thermal properties, designing and excavating the pool to the required depth and shape, planting and landscaping the regeneration zone, and monitoring and adjusting the system to ensure effective circulation and filtration.
@@leafandstone.naturalpools thank you for your thorough response! Very helpful. I had never heard that conical shapes, when deep enough, help circulate water - I'll do that! And I'm building in slopes and shelves everywhere for aquatic plants - about 30% of surface will be living. There is also a seasonal creek running in and a good outlet - so, fingers crossed there is enough circulation and oxygenation for a healthy pond.
Natural pools do not have mosquitoes for a number of reasons. Mosquito larvae need still stagnant water in order to breed. Stagnant water has very low dissolved oxygen and natural pools have good levels of dissolved oxygen from plants, movement and life. You see, constant movement and circulation of the water prevent the larvae from surviving. Natural pools also have predators that feed on mosquito larvae. Among them are the Notonectidae, popularly known as backswimmers, and the aquatic beetles (Ditiscidae). Larvae of dragonflies and damselflies also hunt mosquito larvae.
Does anyone make salt water natural pools currently? Living in FL I’d like the added safety from some of our dangerous bacteria’s and amoebas in our hot humid climate that can occur in freshwater but not salt water.
Yes, it's possible to create a man-made pool that mimics the composition of ocean water without using a salt chlorinator. This type of pool is often referred to as a "saltwater pool". You would need to add salt to the water to achieve the desired salinity level, which is typically around 35,000 parts per million (ppm), similar to seawater. In terms of operation, you could still use a filtration system such as a bead filter in a saltwater pool. However, you would need to ensure that the materials used in the filtration system are compatible with saltwater, as saltwater can be corrosive to certain metals and materials over time. Choosing corrosion-resistant materials like stainless steel or PVC for the filtration system would be advisable. Scaling can be an issue in saltwater pools, just as it can be in traditional chlorinated pools. To prevent scaling, it's important to monitor and maintain the water chemistry, including pH and calcium hardness levels. Regularly cleaning the pool surfaces and equipment can also help prevent scaling buildup. I don't know anyone doing this in the states tough.
These natural pools are habitats for the ecosystem, traditional pools use lots of electricity to run pumps and chlorine etc these all take a lot of maintenance. These cool your home environment but in drought prone areas you should not be considering pools.
In Brazil we swim in rivers and lakes without any contaminant control and we have no problem with that. I don't understand the obsession of Americans and Europeans with extremely clean and crystal clear waters. Once I can build a pool, it will be natural. No microorganism (except pathogenic ones) can be more harmful than chlorine. It can't be easy to get the micro ecosystem right. I've had large planted aquariums, which are a huge challenge, and I imagine it's something similar, but on a larger scale. It took me a while to get my aquariums right, but I did it. I imagine the pool will be the same.
I completely agree. I often tell people that if they’re comfortable swimming in a river, a natural pool isn’t much different. In the U.S., there's a significant concern about brain-eating amoeba (Naegleria fowleri), largely due to high-profile cases in the 1980s which garnered a lot of media attention. Natural pools do operate on principles similar to aquariums, albeit on a larger scale. The larger size of a natural pool can actually make it a bit more forgiving, as the ecosystem can be more stable and less sensitive to minor changes. Your experience with large planted aquariums will definitely come in handy. It involves balancing nutrients, managing plant growth, and ensuring beneficial bacteria thrive to keep the water clean. If you have any more specific questions or need guidance on setting up your natural pool, feel free to reach out!
It's important to note that excessively warm temperatures can disrupt the ecological balance of a natural pool, potentially encouraging algae growth and stressing aquatic plants and organisms. While it is possible to heat natural pools, it is recommended to limit the temperature to a maximum of 27°C to avoid these issues. Additionally, using a pool heater generally necessitates keeping the pool covered to retain heat, as up to 70% of the heat can be lost otherwise. This requirement can limit some design choices. To maintain a high water temperature, it is advisable to incorporate UV sterilizers into the system to help control algae and pathogens. If the goal is to keep the water warm during winter or the cooler months surrounding summer, this approach is usually sufficient. However, if you intend to maintain very high temperatures year-round, I recommend using a combination of UV sterilizers, phosphate filters, and occasional dosages of hydrogen peroxide. This combination will help maintain water clarity and quality while managing potential algae growth and other ecological imbalances.
Natural pools do not have mosquitoes for a number of reasons. Mosquito larvae need still stagnant water in order to breed. Stagnant water has very low dissolved oxygen and natural pools have good levels of dissolved oxygen from plants, movement and life. You see, constant movement and circulation of the water prevent the larvae from surviving. Natural pools also have predators that feed on mosquito larvae. Among them are the Notonectidae, popularly known as backswimmers, and the aquatic beetles (Ditiscidae). Larvae of dragonflies and damselflies also hunt mosquito larvae.
Natural Pools are possible in very hot, tropical climates but It's crucial to understand the risks of parasites in tropical natural pools. Two primary concerns are Naegleria fowleri, or "brain-eating amoeba," and schistosomiasis (bilharzia), both found in warm freshwater. Naegleria fowleri can cause severe brain infections but is exceedingly rare, with a reported risk of 1 in 142 million. Schistosomiasis is transmitted by parasitic worms facilitated by freshwater snails, particularly in warm climates where water temperatures exceed 27°C. The disease can be a concern in pools filled with water from sources where bilharzia is endemic. To safegaurd agaiinst these risks a UV strerlizer is a requirement. Additionally, biweekly treatments with 30% Hydrogen Peroxide can virtually eliminate any risk, as it destroys parasites while oxygenating the water. Though some beneficial microorganisms may be lost, most will remain in the wetland area. Please see this page for info on consultation leafandstone.co.za/natural-pool-consultations
Natural pools do not have mosquitoes for a number of reasons. Mosquito larvae need still stagnant water in order to breed. Stagnant water has very low dissolved oxygen and natural pools have good levels of dissolved oxygen from plants, movement and life. You see, constant movement and circulation of the water prevent the larvae from surviving. Natural pools also have predators that feed on mosquito larvae. Among them are the Notonectidae, popularly known as backswimmers, and the aquatic beetles (Ditiscidae). Larvae of dragonflies and damselflies also hunt mosquito larvae.
Natural pools do not have mosquitoes for a number of reasons. Mosquito larvae need still stagnant water in order to breed. Stagnant water has very low dissolved oxygen and natural pools have good levels of dissolved oxygen from plants, movement and life. You see, constant movement and circulation of the water prevent the larvae from surviving. Natural pools also have predators that feed on mosquito larvae. Among them are the Notonectidae, popularly known as backswimmers, and the aquatic beetles (Ditiscidae). Larvae of dragonflies and damselflies also hunt mosquito larvae.
Hi There. I currently have an online course for doing natural pool conversions with a floating system and for a gravel wetland new build I do one-on-one consultation and plans etc. leafandstone.co.za/natural-pool-consultations
Natural pools can be heated but to a maximum of 27C. Having a pool heater generally means one has to keep the pool covered otherwise you lose 70% of the heat. This is absolutely possible but can limit your design choices. It is also advisable to have UV sterilizers as part of the system if one is keeping the temperature high.
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What about snakes ???? 🐍
@@horseshill Natural pools and ponds can attract wildlife, including snakes, depending on various factors such as geographic location, surrounding habitat, and the presence of suitable food sources and shelter. While natural pools and ponds may attract snakes, it's essential to remember that snakes are generally shy and prefer to avoid human contact. Taking precautions such as keeping the area around the pool clear of debris, maintaining a well-groomed landscape, and educating yourself about local snake species can help minimize encounters with snakes and create a safe and enjoyable outdoor environment. Additionally, if you live in an area with venomous snakes, it's crucial to be aware of their presence and take appropriate precautions to reduce the risk of snake bites.
Remember though. There is no greater risk of snakes or dangerous wildlife in a natural pool than there would be in say a pristine mountain pool or lake. The exception is if you live in an area that is devoid of much life, such as arid areas or a desert. Your natural pool would then be an oasis for wildlife including snakes.
@@leafandstone.naturalpools thankyou for the in depth reply, once you think about it, its really common sense ❤️
Thanks a lot for your informative reply.
Hello,
I leave in a place with to much rain and.I.want to enjoy my pool all the year, so we decided to to an indoor pool. Can we do a natural pool indoor?
That floating conversion system is gold!
Excellent video. My natural pool is 4 years old now and it has performed better than I expected.
Please make a video about it!
I have a few coffee vids lined up but a pool vid is on my list.@@schweinehund3497
Please, tell me do you have mosquitos? If yes - how you eliminate them?
@@ХристинаПенева-т7в Haven't seen 1 mosquito larva in 4 years. To be honest I was a little concerned before I built it but the water is being circulated and filtered constantly and it seems that is enough.
@@ХристинаПенева-т7в Natural pools do not have mosquitoes for a number of reasons. Mosquito larvae need still stagnant water in order to breed. Stagnant water has very low dissolved oxygen and natural pools have good levels of dissolved oxygen from plants, movement and life. You see, constant movement and circulation of the water prevent the larvae from surviving. Natural pools also have predators that feed on mosquito larvae. Among them are the Notonectidae, popularly known as backswimmers, and the aquatic beetles (Ditiscidae). Larvae of dragonflies and damselflies also hunt mosquito larvae.
One of the best explained video out there. Also you could not have chosen a better background sound effect than the one you chose. It’s perfect. Most natural pond videos have a disco club music in the background and it’s annoying .
Thanks for the video. I will subscribe and hope for more vids
aah... thanks. I'm so glad you got value out of this. I love what I do and love making this content.
I hope to see natural swimming pools become the new standard!
Too cold
@@tequilla1shot861not here in Florida or Puerto Rico and quite refreshing when hot and cold plunge pools healthy and are becoming very popular.
Then reality smacks you on your face! This is just a fantasy for other people away from the climate/environment/ecosystem the pool behind him exists in.
never heard of a natural pool, and now im sold!
The pools you showed in this video are stunning! If we ever have a property big enough, a natural pool is 100% on my list of things to build!
You can also get them smaller!
yes, we have made 2m x 2m natural swimming pools!
@@leafandstone.naturalpoolswould LOVE to see some smaller examples please!
I’m going to take the course… but was hoping to put in an above ground pool and see if the floating wetland could work with that application. But I also have a pond that is dry right now and when it collects water, it seeps down within 3 hours, the previous owners have said. It’s a good groundwater regenerater at this point. So much I need to learn.
Been planning on doing this for decades. I finally have a spot 😉
Thank you so much for sharing. Was wondering whether you are in South Africa, and then I heard the hadida.
Amazing, discovered your channel at the most opportune time. I bought a home with a swimming pool and looked at converting until I saw the costs involved. But you have given me inspiration to continue. thank you
courses.leafandstone.co.za/natural-pool-conversion-online-course take a look at my conversion courses.
Saving this one! Natural pool is the way I want to go at my next property. Thank you for this amazing informative video 🙏🏼
Glad it was helpful!
I live on a Caribbean island where the sea and natural springs are accessible.
I put in a natural pool to try to "bring some of it home" but the quality never cleared up to the clean clear promised look (like our springs).
The always merky-ish look always had me feeling like I was bathing in a swamp (exaggerated but it's how I felt)
Ended up down-sizing it a bit and just used it as a fish pond/aqua scaping and put in a small chlorinated pool to actually bathe in.. and just go on hikes when I feel for the real thing.
ah, that is a pity. Sadly not all natural pools are created equally and If they are not done well, then the result is average.
Thanks for this. I want to try swimming in a natural pool. They're beautiful!
You should!
"Rectangle of Sterility" is my Pool cover band, haha!
I think it is more of an album title! ha ha.
Insane the lack of subs you have, this video was amazing, natural pools seem like a really cool idea that I have never heard of before, definitely going to keep up with you channel. Keep up the amazing work ❤
Thank you so much! Only just getting started so plenty more to come!
I second this comment!!! Your channel is destined to explode 🙏❤
I had a natural pool during 10 years (in France), but I finally gave up because, despite my amazing efforts and investments, water quality was never satisfying for swimming. I end up sadly concluding that you cannot "win" with natural/biological filtering against algae who have 1 million year experience of surviving in the toughest environments.
Chlorine is your only real friend if you want to swim in clean water.
It saddens me that you had such a frustrating experience. I do assure you however that it is possible. I know this because I have built at 50+ natural pools which all work and this doesn't include all the pools other people have built using my consultation. Do you ever consult a professional?
@@leafandstone.naturalpools I consulted many professionals, but not you I agree.
My swimming pool had great hydraulic (50 m3/h total flow for a 75 m3 pool, 110 mm diameter pipes), 2 parallel filtration systems: 20 m3/h on one low pressure system with drum filter+biological/helix+UV 150W and 30 m3/h on one high pressure system with vortex + big UV 180W + Ozone ! And even peroxyde when needed.
And it was not enough ... despite lovingly adding good bacteria, carefully replacing UV lamps and tirelessly making huge cleaning effort ... not enough.
Outside summer periods it was quite acceptable, but in the swimming season (about 30 degree Celcius outside) it was green, and green, and green. And the dead algea would even make unremovable stains on my beautiful tiles.
I regretfully gave up after 10 years of desperate fighting. I accepted my defeat against the algea. I emptied my pool and cleaned it with chloric acid to remove the ugly enormous black stains. I kept the hydraulic, kept the mechanical filtering (added one sand filter though), kept the UVs and Ozone and injected previously hated chlorine (low dose though thanks to all the rest), and now I have a fantastic swimming pool.
Note well that I agree wtih all the mentionned benefits of a natural pool, it is simply that I never managed to ensure water beauty sufficient to enjoy swimming.
But good luck to the others, if you manage to do it I can only congratulate you.
@@stephdechatillon6591 If I may add something. As far as I know the only natural way to deal with algae is to have the plants outperform it for nutrients. You also may have gotten a spike in algae in the summer because there was more direct sunlight hitting the pool and the algae had a chance to grow. Maybe adding a shade over the pool, or increasing the amount of plants could have solved the problem? But Im no expert, so feel free to correct me.
What's so bad about water that's a little green? As long as there's no string algae I don't see any problem with it, it's just a sign of a flourishing ecosystem.
@@neonice agree, but dead algea combined with limestone had ruined my tiles.
This is a snapshot into the future of humanity
Probably the multi millionaires of humanity 😅. It's very beautiful though.
This is an amazing video! I'm currently living in the Yucatan peninsula where the weather is very very hot and I wonder if there could be any danger from unwanted pathogens or bacteria. I have to do some research on which plants are native and I could use since there are literally no lakes in the whole state, only underwater sinkholes.
It's crucial to understand the risks of parasites in tropical natural pools. Two primary concerns are Naegleria fowleri, or "brain-eating amoeba," and schistosomiasis (bilharzia), both found in warm freshwater. Naegleria fowleri can cause severe brain infections but is exceedingly rare, with a reported risk of 1 in 142 million. Schistosomiasis is transmitted by parasitic worms facilitated by freshwater snails, particularly in warm climates where water temperatures exceed 27°C. The disease can be a concern in pools filled with water from sources where bilharzia is endemic.
To mitigate these risks, if converting an existing pool, ensure it includes a sand filter, ideally upgraded with glass filtration medium. Regular circulation of the pool's volume, combined with a UV filter, significantly reduces the chances of parasitic infections. Additionally, biweekly treatments with 30% Hydrogen Peroxide can virtually eliminate any risk, as it destroys parasites while oxygenating the water. Though some beneficial microorganisms may be lost, most will remain in the wetland area.
@@leafandstone.naturalpools thank you, I appreciate the info. I'm very very interested in building one of these from scratch. These are almost unheard of, everyone has a chlorine pool which I hate but I admit that when the heat hits 110 or more, then a pool is tempting. Your work is awesome!
This is so awesome. The moment i saw sketch in intro i knew it will be good.
How are natural pools in regions with hard winters? Do you have to replenish plants after the winter?
Not if you use native plants. 😊
Native cattails should be fine. U could also plant rushes sedges, and bladderwort. Just go to a local pond wash off the roots and put it in.
Ty this is so informative,keep it up hope to see more
Thank you for uploading this!❤ Fantastic 🎉
Thank you for sharing,.
Such a dream for me!
Love his South African accent.
Beautiful video, thank you! It looks like you have tutorials on converting conventional pools to natural pools but what about creating a natural pool from start?
I am currently working on courses for natural pools from start!
Something else I'd like to know more about is heating them. Conventional pools can be heated, and I found material online saying natural pools can be heated up to a maximum of 32°C. Is there anything else people should know about when it comes to heating a natural pool?
How far north can natural pools be constructed? How simple is it to own and maintain an indoor natural pool? Can people who live by the ocean use seawater for a natural pool? Can you grow edible plants in a natural pool?
That's it. Other than that, I love the video. I'm a massive believer in natural pools.
Great questions!
It's important to note that excessively warm temperatures can disrupt the ecological balance of a natural pool, potentially encouraging algae growth and stressing aquatic plants and organisms. While it is possible to heat natural pools, it is recommended to limit the temperature to a maximum of 27°C to avoid these issues. Additionally, using a pool heater generally necessitates keeping the pool covered to retain heat, as up to 70% of the heat can be lost otherwise. This requirement can limit some design choices.
To maintain a high water temperature, it is advisable to incorporate UV sterilizers into the system to help control algae and pathogens. If the goal is to keep the water warm during winter or the cooler months surrounding summer, this approach is usually sufficient. However, if you intend to maintain very high temperatures year-round, I recommend using a combination of UV sterilizers, phosphate filters, and occasional dosages of hydrogen peroxide. This combination will help maintain water clarity and quality while managing potential algae growth and other ecological imbalances.
Unfortunately, aquaponics and natural pools don't complement each other well. A natural pool aims to maintain a very low-nutrient environment, which is not conducive to the growth of edible plants. On the other hand, the nutrient-rich water required for aquaponics would lead to excessive algae growth in a natural pool, disrupting the delicate balance needed for clear water.
Owning and maintaining an indoor natural pool can be relatively straightforward with proper planning. These pools require adequate ventilation to manage humidity levels and prevent mold growth. Additionally, if you lack large windows or skylights, installing grow lights that mimic natural sunlight will support the health of aquatic plants. One of the primary benefits of an indoor natural pool is the ability to control environmental factors, making maintenance easier and ensuring the pool is usable year-round.
Creating a real saltwater pool, using actual seawater rather than a saltwater chlorinator, is indeed possible and follows principles similar to those of freshwater natural pools. While I haven't personally undertaken such a project, its feasibility is well demonstrated by large aquariums and marine animal pools, such as those used for dolphins. These systems often incorporate advanced technologies to maintain water quality, such as phosphate removal and sophisticated filtration systems.
In such environments, maintaining the right balance of nutrients is crucial, as excess phosphates can lead to problematic algae growth. Technologies used in these large-scale operations include mechanical filtration, protein skimmers, and chemical treatments specifically designed for marine settings.
An interesting and eco-friendly approach would be to incorporate a biofilter using marine plants. This method would mimic natural coastal ecosystems where marine vegetation plays a critical role in maintaining water quality. Marine plants, such as seagrasses and macroalgae, can absorb excess nutrients and help control algae growth. However, while this concept is promising, I have not seen documented evidence of it being implemented successfully in smaller, private saltwater pools.
@@leafandstone.naturalpools Thanks so much. Great answers.
Great video
Yes, if you can dedicate your life to that pool 👍 btw it looks beautiful
The owners of these pool all attest that the maintenance is the same as a normal chlorine pool but just more emjoyable, like gardening!
would have loved more info about the actual pool, like ph level, alkalinity, etc etc
We balance water chemistry the same as one would with a chlorine pool. Aiming for Ph of 7.5 and Alkalinity of 100ppm.
I want to build a natural pool for swimming and snorkeling on a property in Puerto Rico with tropical temperatures. I would like to have cool fish in it that would make snorkeling in it really special. My main concerns are the brain eating amoeba and other pathogens. Is there a way to properly kill those things off without killing off the fish? I was thinking a strong UV filter might work but Im unsure how to ensure that all of the water (and all of the pathogens) would flow past the UV bulb... Do you have any recommendations on if what I dream is possible?
looks really cool. Can you tell me more about what you should look out for, like if you try to clean something in it (if any cleaning of the walls is needed or not), and what if you use sunscreens or any lotions, or what happens if a child "makes a mess"
Would definitely love to know more about the maintenance aspect like this too
When it comes to cleaning, the walls of a natural pool generally don’t require much scrubbing. The biofilm that forms on the walls is part of the natural ecosystem and helps maintain water quality. However, you might occasionally need to gently brush away any algae buildup, especially in areas with less water circulation.
Using sunscreens or lotions can introduce oils and chemicals into the water, which might affect water quality. It’s best to use eco-friendly, biodegradable products if you’re swimming in a natural pool. This helps minimize any negative impact on the plants and microorganisms that keep the water clean.
If a child has an accident in the pool, the natural filtration system can handle small amounts of organic matter, but it’s a good idea to remove any solids promptly and ensure the water is circulating well. In cases of significant contamination, you might want to temporarily increase water circulation and filtration to help restore balance quickly.
Additionally, it’s crucial to ensure that the water circulation system, including pumps and filters, is working correctly. Cleaning and inspecting these components regularly will maintain efficient water flow and filtration. Monitoring the water level, especially during dry spells or heavy rainfall, is another important task. Adjusting the water level as needed helps maintain the balance between the swimming and regeneration zones.
Occasionally, you may need to remove sediment buildup from the bottom of the pool. This helps prevent the regeneration zone from becoming too clogged and maintains its filtering efficiency. If you notice excessive algae growth, consider adding UV sterilizers or natural algae controls, like barley straw, to keep it in check.
Overall, natural pools are designed to be low-maintenance, relying on biological processes to keep the water clean. With a bit of regular upkeep and mindful use, you can enjoy a beautiful and eco-friendly swimming experience.
I live on a very snake prone area so what would be some recommendations or advice if I wanted a natural pool without inviting dangerous wildlife into it?
Get Hognose or King snakes to eat the other snakes 😂
above ground pool
Plant onions around the pool
This a great topic! ❤ Can you achieve similar effects with salt or ocean style water? You could have Dunes, Beach Plums and Hibiscus 4:30 🕟 and incorporate natural jetty rocks, maybe Granite
Sea Salt can keep more of the standing water insects at bay, I believe that is helpful for some
Possibly replicate 🌊 ocean water, high salt density, no chlorine, has this been done before? 0:49
Great video….I see a conversion somewhere in my future😊
How do you winterize it? Do the plants die and need to be replanted every summer?
Winterizing a natural pool is essential for maintaining its health and beauty, especially in colder climates. To winterize your natural pool, start by removing any debris like leaves and twigs to prevent the buildup of organic matter. Trim back the aquatic plants in the regeneration zone to reduce decaying plant material over the winter. Adjust the water level if needed to protect the pool structure from freeze-thaw cycles, and disconnect and store any equipment that could be damaged by freezing temperatures. Some people also choose to cover their pool with a net or tarp to keep out debris and minimize maintenance in the spring.
As for the plants, they typically go dormant during the winter rather than dying off completely. Most plants used in natural pools are perennials, meaning they will regrow from their root systems when temperatures rise in the spring. These hardy species are adapted to survive cold temperatures and will start growing again once the weather warms up. If annual plants are used, they will need to be replanted each year.
In the spring, you'll need to clean up any remaining dead plant material and debris, reinstall and inspect any equipment that was removed for winter, and monitor the regeneration zone for new growth. By following these steps, you can ensure that your natural pool remains healthy and beautiful year-round, with the aquatic plants playing a vital role in maintaining water quality as they regenerate each spring.
@@leafandstone.naturalpools Very interesting. Thank you for the thoughtful reply.
I really hope you get some business out of this atleast
This video is SO WELL MADE!
Maybe make a few shorts if you havent already to get ya name out there!
Love it!!😊
My only issue bilharzia. Haven't seen a way to prevent the parasites from making a home in natural pools.
100ppm 35% H2O2 peroxide once a fortnight or weekly in hotter climates! also adds oxygen to the plants ;-)
Ive always thought something like this was possible!!!! Can fish be added?! This is my dream pool.
Yes, you can intergrate fish, just not too many and you need to not feed them or be very careful how much you feed them.
Hello, do natural pools need a pump? thanks
Indeed they do. Water needs to be circulated with some form of pump. There are examples of pools called schwimmteich that use thermal circulation from sunlight to circulate the water but they are only proven to work only in cool climates.
Will future videos / workshops cover strategies for different climate zones? I’m in Phoenix, AZ and worry about water temps in the summer.
Absolutely, future videos and workshops will definitely cover strategies for natural pools in different climates, including hot areas like Phoenix. Managing water temperatures during the summer can be challenging, but there are several techniques and designs that can help keep your natural pool at a safe and comfortable temperature. Natural Pools are possible in very hot, tropical climates but It's crucial to understand the risks of parasites in tropical natural pools. Two primary concerns are Naegleria fowleri, or "brain-eating amoeba," and schistosomiasis (bilharzia), both found in warm freshwater. Naegleria fowleri can cause severe brain infections but is exceedingly rare, with a reported risk of 1 in 142 million. Schistosomiasis is transmitted by parasitic worms facilitated by freshwater snails, particularly in warm climates where water temperatures exceed 27°C. The disease can be a concern in pools filled with water from sources where bilharzia is endemic.
To safegaurd agaiinst these risks a UV strerlizer is a requirement. Additionally, biweekly treatments with 30% Hydrogen Peroxide can virtually eliminate any risk, as it destroys parasites while oxygenating the water. Though some beneficial microorganisms may be lost, most will remain in the wetland area.
@@leafandstone.naturalpools thank you for the detailed response!🙏🏼
Nicely done video
This is beautiful. Would this work in a desert setting?
Natural Pools are possible in very hot (dry and tropical) climates but It's crucial to understand the risks of parasites in hot & tropical natural pools. To safe gaurd against these risks a UV strerlizer is a requirement. Additionally, biweekly treatments with 30% Hydrogen Peroxide can virtually eliminate any risk, as it destroys parasites while oxygenating the water. Though some beneficial microorganisms may be lost, most will remain in the wetland area.
Great production quality of the video!
We’ve been experimenting with aquaponics. Wondering if we could pump the water into a hydroponic system for filtering the pool and growing a garden out of it
Unfortunately, aquaponics and natural pools don't complement each other well. A natural pool aims to maintain a very low-nutrient environment, which is not conducive to the growth of edible plants. On the other hand, the nutrient-rich water required for aquaponics would lead to excessive algae growth in a natural pool, disrupting the delicate balance needed for clear water.
Thank you so much for this video Bro! Sharing to FB now!
You are welcome! thank you!
Our land is in the middle of wilderness with already a lot of ponds, frogs and rich ecosystem. I would love to have natural pool, but I feel like it would really be the gathering place for 1000 of frogs and insects during the summer, as most of natural waters dry out in this months. And I need the pool for our small eco friendly resort.
But is there a way to keep it free of frogs, spiders and mosquitos?
With clever design you can add space between the wetland and the swimzone. Make the water from the swimzone overflow constantly into the wetland for example, so that its hard for insects, spiders etc to land and stay in the swimzone as they get swept into the wetland area.
But what about sunscreens? Can you use them into that swimming pools?
I totally get your concern. Even though it might seem like a little sunscreen wouldn't hurt, it can actually add up and impact the ecosystem in natural swimming pools. Sunscreens with chemicals like oxybenzone and octinoxate can mess with fish and other wildlife, causing issues over time.
Natural pools work by using plants and good bacteria to keep the water clean, so adding those chemicals can throw things off balance. The best bet is to go for eco-friendly, biodegradable sunscreens. Also, try to rinse off any excess sunscreen before you jump in. Keeping the pool well-maintained with good filtration helps a lot too.
By taking these steps, you can enjoy your swim without worrying about harming the ecosystem. If you’re curious, there are some great studies out there, like those in Environmental Health Perspectives and Environmental Science & Technology.
Well, the think I fear most is contemination. I don’t mind algae, or swimming in greenish water as long as it is not slimy. But the parasites carried by birds that drink water or drop their feaces? How do you prevent such contemination, or measure the bacteria and parasites? Can UV lights be used in the pool?
You can absolutely include UV sterilizers, which are particularly beneficial in very warm climates. UV sterilizers help control pathogens and maintain water quality by using ultraviolet light to disinfect the water. This is especially important in warmer climates where higher temperatures can encourage the growth of harmful microorganisms.
In cooler, temperate climates, the wetland area and natural processes in a well-designed natural pool are typically sufficient to keep pathogens at bay. The plants and beneficial bacteria in the regeneration zone work together to filter and purify the water, ensuring it remains clean and safe for swimming without the need for additional sterilization methods.
By incorporating UV sterilizers where needed, you can enhance the natural filtration system and ensure optimal water quality regardless of the climate.
have you never swam in a lake, river or sea? brids are there too
@@alicjakempisty2729 actually never in a lake or river. In sea, of course. But in sea, there is salt, and are a lot of water. There was a lake in France however, we have visited. I have not swam there since I had no bathing suit, but we sat near that lake. My fathers eye got an infection because of insects. I have grown up in a small City in Turkey, my uncles are talking about their childhood, about how they swam in the local river. However I don't even eat the fish from the same river, because it is dirty. I have an anxiety that I got ill even if I touch my feet into the river. I wish we could swimm in our river but I have fear. I now live in Istanbul, I sometimes swimm in the sea, I enter the sea from quays. I don't get sick because of the water, but I never swimm there after a rain. And some of my friends claim that they got rash after they swim. Well, it must be about algae or chemicals, however small fresh water basins always make me fear.
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Can the regeneration zone be separate from the pool? For example, in Florida, could the swimming pool be inside of a completely screened in area with the regeneration zone outside that area, to ensure that wildlife like snakes and things wouldn’t be able to get into the part where people swim?
Yes, the regeneration zone can be separate from the swimming area in a natural pool. This design can work well, especially in locations like Florida, where keeping wildlife out of the swimming area is a concern. By having the swimming pool inside a completely screened-in area and the regeneration zone outside, you can effectively ensure that wildlife, such as snakes, stay out of the swimming area while still benefiting from the natural filtration process.
To achieve this, you'll need to ensure that the water circulates effectively between the swimming zone and the regeneration zone. This can be done using pumps to move water from the swimming area to the regeneration zone and back, maintaining water quality and clarity. The separation allows for the essential biological filtration processes to occur while providing a safe and controlled swimming environment.
This setup can provide the best of both worlds: a secure and enjoyable swimming area free from unwanted wildlife and an effective natural filtration system working outside the screened enclosure.
Is this answer chatgpt’ed 😭
Have you had any experience doing something similar at high altitude? I was planning to do something like this in the future, but what stops me is that I live at an altitude of 1300 meters. I always thought it might be harder to keep the entire ecosystem alive in the winter when it can get really cold, like -4 to -5 degrees.
Would this kind of pool be a mosquito breeding ground?
If you plant sweetgrass there you will be safe from them☀️
Natural pools do not have mosquitoes for a number of reasons. Mosquito larvae need still stagnant water in order to breed. Stagnant water has very low dissolved oxygen and natural pools have good levels of dissolved oxygen from plants, movement and life. You see, constant movement and circulation of the water prevent the larvae from surviving. Natural pools also have predators that feed on mosquito larvae. Among them are the Notonectidae, popularly known as backswimmers, and the aquatic beetles (Ditiscidae). Larvae of dragonflies and damselflies also hunt mosquito larvae.
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Wouldnt the other insects/frogs be harmful while you swim?
We live in a tropic area so what should be done to avoid it being a breeding ground of mosquitos?
Natural pools do not have mosquitoes for a number of reasons. Mosquito larvae need still stagnant water in order to breed. Stagnant water has very low dissolved oxygen and natural pools have good levels of dissolved oxygen from plants, movement and life. You see, constant movement and circulation of the water prevent the larvae from surviving. Natural pools also have predators that feed on mosquito larvae. Among them are the Notonectidae, popularly known as backswimmers, and the aquatic beetles (Ditiscidae). Larvae of dragonflies and damselflies also hunt mosquito larvae.
Natural pools and ponds can attract wildlife, including snakes, depending on various factors such as geographic location, surrounding habitat, and the presence of suitable food sources and shelter. While natural pools and ponds may attract snakes, it's essential to remember that snakes are generally shy and prefer to avoid human contact. Taking precautions such as keeping the area around the pool clear of debris, maintaining a well-groomed landscape, and educating yourself about local snake species can help minimize encounters with snakes and create a safe and enjoyable outdoor environment. Additionally, if you live in an area with venomous snakes, it's crucial to be aware of their presence and take appropriate precautions to reduce the risk of snake bites.
Remember though. There is no greater risk of snakes or dangerous wildlife in a natural pool than there would be in say a pristine mountain pool or lake. The exception is if you live in an area that is devoid of much life, such as arid areas or a desert. Your natural pool would then be an oasis for wildlife including snakes.
If I were younger, I'd love to do one of these.
I might do a 5'x5' sitting pool/pond instead as it's similar to maintaining a planted aquarium. =)
Aside from plants how do you keep mosquitoes and flies away? Do they have fish, frogs, and birds to reduce breeding?
Natural pools do not have mosquitoes for a number of reasons. Mosquito larvae need still stagnant water in order to breed. Stagnant water has very low dissolved oxygen and natural pools have good levels of dissolved oxygen from plants, movement and life. You see, constant movement and circulation of the water prevent the larvae from surviving. Natural pools also have predators that feed on mosquito larvae. Among them are the Notonectidae, popularly known as backswimmers, and the aquatic beetles (Ditiscidae). Larvae of dragonflies and damselflies also hunt mosquito larvae.
Come to Kerala , You can see Kolam , It is in Kerala .
amazing
is it safe from amoeba? planning to build my own eco swimming pond soon
100ppm 35% H2O2 peroxide once a fortnight or weekly in hotter climates! also adds oxygen to the plants ;-) most hospitals use it as a great oxidizer to clean stuff.😁
@@Ozjockey111 Yup the H202 (peroxide) is a great method. It can also clear string algae and the plants don't mind it at all. A UV filter is also going to kill any pathogens floating in the water body.
Very nice! do you use skimmer ?
Yes indeed! Same as a normal chlorine pool.
Wow i love this but this goes way over my head 🤣 im not sure that id be smart enough to pull it off haha
Does this mean that you can't use a pool testing kit to check water quality?
Habibi, how deep can a natural pool be? I would love a 20 m deep end for freediving , however I'm concerned that the water will stagnate at the bottom and will not take part in the filtration process due to the depth. What are your thoughts please 😊
Hi Habibi, interesting question. It woudn't be a problem though. Deep is actually good as the water at the bottom doesn't see much sunlight. You could very easily slowly circulate water from the bottom to the top. All natural pools do this. That is... they all circulate right through the whole system.
Does algae grow on the walls? Will it have that slippery layer?
The surfaces do get slippery yes, so it is good to make the stairs quite rough. a light algae can grow on the walls. This is healthy.
Hey I'm from a sub tropical place and we have issues with mosquitos, so won't this pool change into a breeding ground for mosquitos?
Natural pools do not have mosquitoes for a number of reasons. Mosquito larvae need still stagnant water in order to breed. Stagnant water has very low dissolved oxygen and natural pools have good levels of dissolved oxygen from plants, movement and life. You see, constant movement and circulation of the water prevent the larvae from surviving. Natural pools also have predators that feed on mosquito larvae. Among them are the Notonectidae, popularly known as backswimmers, and the aquatic beetles (Ditiscidae). Larvae of dragonflies and damselflies also hunt mosquito larvae.
Natural Pools are possible in very hot, tropical climates but It's crucial to understand the risks of parasites in tropical natural pools. Two primary concerns are Naegleria fowleri, or "brain-eating amoeba," and schistosomiasis (bilharzia), both found in warm freshwater. Naegleria fowleri can cause severe brain infections but is exceedingly rare, with a reported risk of 1 in 142 million. Schistosomiasis is transmitted by parasitic worms facilitated by freshwater snails, particularly in warm climates where water temperatures exceed 27°C. The disease can be a concern in pools filled with water from sources where bilharzia is endemic.
To safegaurd agaiinst these risks a UV strerlizer is a requirement. Additionally, biweekly treatments with 30% Hydrogen Peroxide can virtually eliminate any risk, as it destroys parasites while oxygenating the water. Though some beneficial microorganisms may be lost, most will remain in the wetland area.
I have a 3000 gallon above ground pool and a 300 gallon plastic trough that I am planning to use as a "above ground natural pool" type setup.
Do you recommend the water run from bottom to top through the bog gravel or top to bottom?
If you send the water in from the top, it can spread organic debris across the surface of the gravel, where it can slowly be broken down by beneficial bacteria. However, if you send the water in from the bottom, you'll need to design the system so that debris sinks and gets trapped, which will require periodic pumping out every few years. One advantage of sending water in from the bottom is that it’s easier to ensure it flows evenly through the entire wetland. This can be achieved by using pipes to distribute the water, preventing it from taking the easiest path and short-circuiting the wetland. So, there are pros and cons to both approaches.
Spiffy! You could put fish in there too.
Nice video i like being more natural.
I am interested in investing a natural pool however the only thing holding me back is the mosquitos that breed in the water and other bugs I don’t know about. Are there any sure solutions to this problem? I’m all for having wildlife available in the pools. But I don’t want harmful bugs in there.
It's great to hear you're considering investing in a natural pool! Regarding your concerns about mosquitoes and other bugs, natural pools are actually designed to prevent mosquito breeding. The key is maintaining constant water movement and sufficient oxygen levels, which discourage mosquitoes, as they prefer stagnant water for breeding. Additionally, natural predators like backswimmers and dragonfly larvae are beneficial and help control the mosquito population by feeding on their larvae. If you're still concerned, incorporating design elements like strategic plant placement and water features that enhance water circulation can further minimize the presence of unwanted bugs. Rest assured, a well-designed natural pool provides a habitat for beneficial wildlife while keeping the less desirable critters at bay.
@@leafandstone.naturalpools i appreciate you so much for your response! What you described makes so much sense. Thank you.
My mosquitos will love this!
Natural pools do not have mosquitoes for a number of reasons. Mosquito larvae need still stagnant water in order to breed. Stagnant water has very low dissolved oxygen and natural pools have good levels of dissolved oxygen from plants, movement and life. You see, constant movement and circulation of the water prevent the larvae from surviving. Natural pools also have predators that feed on mosquito larvae. Among them are the Notonectidae, popularly known as backswimmers, and the aquatic beetles (Ditiscidae). Larvae of dragonflies and damselflies also hunt mosquito larvae.
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How do you address algae especially in the tropics?
Natural Pools are possible in very hot, tropical climates but It's crucial to understand the risks of parasites in tropical natural pools. To safegaurd agaiinst these risks a UV strerlizer is a requirement. Additionally, biweekly treatments with 30% Hydrogen Peroxide can virtually eliminate any risk, as it destroys parasites while oxygenating the water. Though some beneficial microorganisms may be lost, most will remain in the wetland area.
What would the risks of a natural pool be? I believe that the risk of some bacterium may be increased due to the "lack" of chlorine gas. For example E coli, even though these pools lack a normal filtration system and instead uses a biological filtration system one has to imagine the risk of a bird dropping E coli contamined droppings by the pool after maybe drinking or resting. Does the pool have a natural filter to contain E coli since wild pools or lakes are met with the same problem of E coli contamination?
I was also thinking about the risk of Brain-eating Amoeba, they prefer staying in still water like pools. But Naegleria Fowleri has to be transported in some way by an indvidual which is uncommon since they first have to come into contact with Naegleria Fowleri.
The biological filter in the regeneration zone is the unsung hero in controlling pathogens. This zone, teeming with plants and microbes, acts as nature’s defense mechanism, absorbing and neutralizing harmful bacteria and viruses. Imagine the scene: antibacterial agents from fungi-yes, the same family that brought us penicillin-and a host of small critters like nematodes and protozoa actively consuming these unwelcome guests. The complexity of this ecosystem ensures that pathogens are not only trapped but transformed biologically. They're caught in the sticky biofilm, amongst roots and gravel, where, if conditions are right, beneficial organisms flourish, much like the flora in your own stomach.
Regarding Naegleria fowleri, a concern in natural bodies of water like lakes and rivers, natural pools present a safer alternative due to the constant circulation through a potent natural filter. This safety is contingent on maintaining water temperatures below 27°C and managing swimmer load to avoid overcrowding. The likelihood of encountering harmful pathogens such as fecal coliforms in a privately maintained pool is exceedingly low. Even if temperatures were to exceed 27°C, the risk of contracting Naegleria fowleri remains minimal, statistically about 1 in 142 million. To put it into perspective, even if you swam in water with detectable levels of Naegleria fowleri twice daily for 50 years, your chance of infection would only be about 1 in 4000.
If you feel comfortable swimming in a mountain stream or pond, then swimming in a natural pool should be no less appealing, especially since the odds of infection are even lower. In tropical climates, where conditions are exceptionally warm, integrating UV sterilizers and periodic treatments with Hydrogen Peroxide can further mitigate risks, ensuring your natural pool remains a safe and enjoyable swimming environment.
@@leafandstone.naturalpools Oh! Thanks for the response I kind of forgot about me commenting this. You do provide information that I didn't even know of regarding Naegleria Fowleri. I tried searching this stuff up but I just didn't find any information . Sadly I don't live in these tropical environments and it often gets quite cold here in the winter, but in the future I plan to move elsewhere. To add to that in the summer when I can swin in nature I often do, just the idea of using chlorine to clean feels odd since nature already has a system for that.
Thank you for actually spending your time in helping me with my questions and making the answer very articluate and relativly consice. I really appreciate you for this! You're an awsome guy!
How do these type of pools deal with Naegleri fowleri? I thought this very deadly amoeba can only be treated through chlorination?
The biological filter in the regeneration zone is the unsung hero in controlling pathogens. This zone, teeming with plants and microbes, acts as nature’s defense mechanism, absorbing and neutralizing harmful bacteria and viruses. Imagine the scene: antibacterial agents from fungi-yes, the same family that brought us penicillin-and a host of small critters like nematodes and protozoa actively consuming these unwelcome guests. The complexity of this ecosystem ensures that pathogens are not only trapped but transformed biologically. They're caught in the sticky biofilm, amongst roots and gravel, where, if conditions are right, beneficial organisms flourish, much like the flora in your own stomach.
Regarding Naegleria fowleri, a concern in natural bodies of water like lakes and rivers, natural pools present a safer alternative due to the constant circulation through a potent natural filter. This safety is contingent on maintaining water temperatures below 27°C and managing swimmer load to avoid overcrowding. The likelihood of encountering harmful pathogens such as fecal coliforms in a privately maintained pool is exceedingly low. Even if temperatures were to exceed 27°C, the risk of contracting Naegleria fowleri remains minimal, statistically about 1 in 142 million. To put it into perspective, even if you swam in water with detectable levels of Naegleria fowleri twice daily for 50 years, your chance of infection would only be about 1 in 4000.
If you feel comfortable swimming in a mountain stream or pond, then swimming in a natural pool should be no less appealing, especially since the odds of infection are even lower. In tropical climates, where conditions are exceptionally warm, integrating UV sterilizers and periodic treatments with Hydrogen Peroxide can further mitigate risks, ensuring your natural pool remains a safe and enjoyable swimming environment.
Is there a depth limitation? Would it be possible to make a pool 7 to 9m deep?
No depth limitation! deep is good.
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Can you compare lifecycle's cost of both natural and artificial pools?
A natural pool costs less to run than a conventional pool. The energy consumption is anywhere from 50% - 25% less (depending on the design of the pool). For a natural pool we typically use a 75W running 16hrs a day (1200W p/day). A conventional pool will use a 700w pump for 4hrs a day (2800W p/day). There is also no need for the cost of chlorine or other chemicals as well which can easily amount to $50 per month.
@@leafandstone.naturalpools Thank you!! It'll be a interesting topic for a video to go deeper into this comparison, including construction, mantainance and even demolition. As an architect, I'd appreciate the insight
Do you think natural pools could be an option for public pools, or at least not super frequently used public pools like hotel pools? Or do you belive all the bacteria from all the people (and whatever they bring in, food etc.) will ruin the flora of the pool? Simply said, is this only possible for personal use?
Yes, it is certainly possible to create public natural pools, and there are many examples of successful implementations. However, extra precautions must be taken to handle the increased load of bathers, such as using UV sterilizers, phosphate filters, and significantly larger biofilters.
Maybe the biggest or best selling point would be to show and grow foods that live off the water swam in?
Unfortunately, aquaponics and natural pools don't complement each other well. A natural pool aims to maintain a very low-nutrient environment, which is not conducive to the growth of edible plants. On the other hand, the nutrient-rich water required for aquaponics would lead to excessive algae growth in a natural pool, disrupting the delicate balance needed for clear water.
@leafandstone.naturalpools I have a feeling that you could prove yourself wrong. Aquariums are clear, and the water that holds the many fish farms has clear water. Molluscs are excellent at cleansing water.
Anyways here's to your success. Best wishes!
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@PassportBachelor davidpaganbutler almost proves it. Watercress is edible and adapts well.
Condescending much?
How can I get a natural pool in Canada? Could I build it in a greenhouse so I stays during winter
Yes, you can build a greenhouse, but even outside it can work, the plants and biology all come back after the thaw.
Could you do this in the tropics?
Natural Pools are possible in very hot, tropical climates but It's crucial to understand the risks of parasites in tropical natural pools. To safegaurd agaiinst these risks a UV strerlizer is a requirement. Additionally, biweekly treatments with 30% Hydrogen Peroxide can virtually eliminate any risk, as it destroys parasites while oxygenating the water. Though some beneficial microorganisms may be lost, most will remain in the wetland area.
Is it possible to put small fish in these pools? Will they affect the water quality
Yes, it is very much possible. They are actually beneficial BUT one has to be careful. I generally advise putting small goldfish or tilapia in the pool and then not feeding them or feeding them very little. If there is enough of an area for them to scavenge they are happy and beneficial. When you feed them you are introducing nutrients which can lead to Algae problems.
Can you drink the water? Honestly asking out of curiosity.
Yes you can and I do. If the system is well designed and maintained the water meets drinking quality standards.
does the gravel needed to be cleaned ever?
It depends. Some can go for a decade without cleaning and some need backwashing every 2 years or so. It really depends on where it is and what is going into the pool. Organics will break down but fine sand or silt blown in doesn't, and this can clog the wetland over time. We design the gravel wetlands so they can be backwashed if this is required but it is usually only every 2 - 6 years.
How can natural pools keep clear water in the Caribbean? The climate is very hot here.
Natural Pools are possible in very hot, tropical climates but It's crucial to understand the risks of parasites in tropical natural pools. To safegaurd agaiinst these risks a UV strerlizer is a requirement. Additionally, biweekly treatments with 30% Hydrogen Peroxide can virtually eliminate any risk, as it destroys parasites while oxygenating the water. Though some beneficial microorganisms may be lost, most will remain in the wetland area.
Can you build a natural pool without having to use a plastic liner?
Yes, as long as it holds water you are all good. The liner is preferred for wetlands because it lasts for 25 + years so you dont have to worry about leaks under all that gravel.
Have you ever seen 'pond' be well planned and maintained so that it has clear water and is swimmable ? I want to avoid pumps and liners. In your opinion, is this just not possible? Thank you!
No, not possible. You need to isolate the system from soil to get it really clear, so you need a liner or something keeping it separate. Pumps and water movement also critical, however, there is a method of creating a natural swimming pool using thermal circulation, It involves leveraging water temperature differences to maintain water quality without a pump. This system relies on the natural convective flow, where warmer water rises and cooler water sinks, to create circulation. The pool must be deep (at least 3 meters) to establish a significant temperature gradient. A funnel or conical shape helps concentrate cooler water at the bottom. A separate regeneration zone, housing aquatic plants and biofilters, is essential for natural filtration. This zone is typically shallower, benefiting from solar heating to enhance the temperature gradient.
Benefits include energy efficiency, natural aesthetics, and lower maintenance, as there are no mechanical parts. However, challenges include managing adequate temperature differences year-round, higher initial costs for excavation and setup, and maintaining ecological balance. Implementation involves assessing the site for thermal properties, designing and excavating the pool to the required depth and shape, planting and landscaping the regeneration zone, and monitoring and adjusting the system to ensure effective circulation and filtration.
@@leafandstone.naturalpools thank you for your thorough response! Very helpful. I had never heard that conical shapes, when deep enough, help circulate water - I'll do that! And I'm building in slopes and shelves everywhere for aquatic plants - about 30% of surface will be living. There is also a seasonal creek running in and a good outlet - so, fingers crossed there is enough circulation and oxygenation for a healthy pond.
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why thank you!
What about the possible risk of having mosquitos laying eggs? I dont believe that the eco system would be sufficient to fight them?
Natural pools do not have mosquitoes for a number of reasons. Mosquito larvae need still stagnant water in order to breed. Stagnant water has very low dissolved oxygen and natural pools have good levels of dissolved oxygen from plants, movement and life. You see, constant movement and circulation of the water prevent the larvae from surviving. Natural pools also have predators that feed on mosquito larvae. Among them are the Notonectidae, popularly known as backswimmers, and the aquatic beetles (Ditiscidae). Larvae of dragonflies and damselflies also hunt mosquito larvae.
Does anyone make salt water natural pools currently? Living in FL I’d like the added safety from some of our dangerous bacteria’s and amoebas in our hot humid climate that can occur in freshwater but not salt water.
Yes, it's possible to create a man-made pool that mimics the composition of ocean water without using a salt chlorinator. This type of pool is often referred to as a "saltwater pool". You would need to add salt to the water to achieve the desired salinity level, which is typically around 35,000 parts per million (ppm), similar to seawater.
In terms of operation, you could still use a filtration system such as a bead filter in a saltwater pool. However, you would need to ensure that the materials used in the filtration system are compatible with saltwater, as saltwater can be corrosive to certain metals and materials over time. Choosing corrosion-resistant materials like stainless steel or PVC for the filtration system would be advisable. Scaling can be an issue in saltwater pools, just as it can be in traditional chlorinated pools. To prevent scaling, it's important to monitor and maintain the water chemistry, including pH and calcium hardness levels. Regularly cleaning the pool surfaces and equipment can also help prevent scaling buildup.
I don't know anyone doing this in the states tough.
These natural pools are habitats for the ecosystem, traditional pools use lots of electricity to run pumps and chlorine etc these all take a lot of maintenance. These cool your home environment but in drought prone areas you should not be considering pools.
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In Brazil we swim in rivers and lakes without any contaminant control and we have no problem with that. I don't understand the obsession of Americans and Europeans with extremely clean and crystal clear waters. Once I can build a pool, it will be natural. No microorganism (except pathogenic ones) can be more harmful than chlorine. It can't be easy to get the micro ecosystem right. I've had large planted aquariums, which are a huge challenge, and I imagine it's something similar, but on a larger scale. It took me a while to get my aquariums right, but I did it. I imagine the pool will be the same.
I completely agree. I often tell people that if they’re comfortable swimming in a river, a natural pool isn’t much different. In the U.S., there's a significant concern about brain-eating amoeba (Naegleria fowleri), largely due to high-profile cases in the 1980s which garnered a lot of media attention.
Natural pools do operate on principles similar to aquariums, albeit on a larger scale. The larger size of a natural pool can actually make it a bit more forgiving, as the ecosystem can be more stable and less sensitive to minor changes. Your experience with large planted aquariums will definitely come in handy. It involves balancing nutrients, managing plant growth, and ensuring beneficial bacteria thrive to keep the water clean.
If you have any more specific questions or need guidance on setting up your natural pool, feel free to reach out!
Can you heat a natural pool or will that damage the ecosystem?
It's important to note that excessively warm temperatures can disrupt the ecological balance of a natural pool, potentially encouraging algae growth and stressing aquatic plants and organisms. While it is possible to heat natural pools, it is recommended to limit the temperature to a maximum of 27°C to avoid these issues. Additionally, using a pool heater generally necessitates keeping the pool covered to retain heat, as up to 70% of the heat can be lost otherwise. This requirement can limit some design choices.
To maintain a high water temperature, it is advisable to incorporate UV sterilizers into the system to help control algae and pathogens. If the goal is to keep the water warm during winter or the cooler months surrounding summer, this approach is usually sufficient. However, if you intend to maintain very high temperatures year-round, I recommend using a combination of UV sterilizers, phosphate filters, and occasional dosages of hydrogen peroxide. This combination will help maintain water clarity and quality while managing potential algae growth and other ecological imbalances.
How do you fight against muskitos with such pool?
Natural pools do not have mosquitoes for a number of reasons. Mosquito larvae need still stagnant water in order to breed. Stagnant water has very low dissolved oxygen and natural pools have good levels of dissolved oxygen from plants, movement and life. You see, constant movement and circulation of the water prevent the larvae from surviving. Natural pools also have predators that feed on mosquito larvae. Among them are the Notonectidae, popularly known as backswimmers, and the aquatic beetles (Ditiscidae). Larvae of dragonflies and damselflies also hunt mosquito larvae.
How would one contact you to design something? Also- are natural pools going to be successful in a place like Georgia? (US)
Natural Pools are possible in very hot, tropical climates but It's crucial to understand the risks of parasites in tropical natural pools. Two primary concerns are Naegleria fowleri, or "brain-eating amoeba," and schistosomiasis (bilharzia), both found in warm freshwater. Naegleria fowleri can cause severe brain infections but is exceedingly rare, with a reported risk of 1 in 142 million. Schistosomiasis is transmitted by parasitic worms facilitated by freshwater snails, particularly in warm climates where water temperatures exceed 27°C. The disease can be a concern in pools filled with water from sources where bilharzia is endemic.
To safegaurd agaiinst these risks a UV strerlizer is a requirement. Additionally, biweekly treatments with 30% Hydrogen Peroxide can virtually eliminate any risk, as it destroys parasites while oxygenating the water. Though some beneficial microorganisms may be lost, most will remain in the wetland area. Please see this page for info on consultation leafandstone.co.za/natural-pool-consultations
What about mosquitoes or copperheads?
Natural pools do not have mosquitoes for a number of reasons. Mosquito larvae need still stagnant water in order to breed. Stagnant water has very low dissolved oxygen and natural pools have good levels of dissolved oxygen from plants, movement and life. You see, constant movement and circulation of the water prevent the larvae from surviving. Natural pools also have predators that feed on mosquito larvae. Among them are the Notonectidae, popularly known as backswimmers, and the aquatic beetles (Ditiscidae). Larvae of dragonflies and damselflies also hunt mosquito larvae.
@@leafandstone.naturalpools that’s super interesting! These pools are without a doubt very beautiful
Could this create a mosquito issue?
Natural pools do not have mosquitoes for a number of reasons. Mosquito larvae need still stagnant water in order to breed. Stagnant water has very low dissolved oxygen and natural pools have good levels of dissolved oxygen from plants, movement and life. You see, constant movement and circulation of the water prevent the larvae from surviving. Natural pools also have predators that feed on mosquito larvae. Among them are the Notonectidae, popularly known as backswimmers, and the aquatic beetles (Ditiscidae). Larvae of dragonflies and damselflies also hunt mosquito larvae.
We really want to diy this in our backyard, is there a breakdown of the aeration system and designs for us diy--ers? Book, video?
Hi There. I currently have an online course for doing natural pool conversions with a floating system and for a gravel wetland new build I do one-on-one consultation and plans etc. leafandstone.co.za/natural-pool-consultations
Can you heat a natural pool?
Natural pools can be heated but to a maximum of 27C. Having a pool heater generally means one has to keep the pool covered otherwise you lose 70% of the heat. This is absolutely possible but can limit your design choices. It is also advisable to have UV sterilizers as part of the system if one is keeping the temperature high.