Pretty cool the way your sap ladders are working. We have a spot to try it next year. The 2 legged boss is going to rip on you for stealing the kids lunch snacks.ha ha
Correct, the bottom star should face down, the upper star should face up. So sap falls down into the star on the bottom and sap falls down into the mainline on the top. One 6 star ladder should be used for every 30 taps its trying to lift on average.
Yup agree on the work is a hassle….😂 I work Chicago shift and after a long 24, I sometimes work almost a straight 48 on maple….why do we do this. I miss my California shift.
Your sap ladders are not working because your bottom inlets are facing up, they need to be on the bottom facing down so sap can drop down into them and air can still pass. right now your setup needs to flood the main to get sucked up the ladder. doing this you will no longer need a vent, venting your line defeats every purpose of maintaining a tight system.
@@dunnfamilymaple this is just not true, added leak defeats the whole purpose of keeping a tight system. 1 inch of vacuum is a 10% increase in production. if you design your ladders correctly adding a leak cuts your production down. Your trees produce enough gas to make a proper sap ladder setup work. Test have been done over and over that proves a leaker is not needed and loses production. You can even test this yourself, on a good run take an hour to test this. Count your releaser dumps for an hour with a leaker and again without a leaker. If you are getting more releaser dumps with a leaker you have an inefficient ladder setup and it need to be reworked. Also remember you should get good vacuum transfer on the upstream side of your ladders or you do not have enough ladders in the system. Another part of the equation is you need CFM's to pull sap up a ladder. In summary if you use a leaker you are losing sap production, if you need a leaker your system is not designed right or you do not have enough CFM to run one without losing 10% sap volume per inch of vacuum you are introducing into your tubing system. 10% per inch is a huge loss.
So your telling me that if I have 27" of vacuum and the sap is not climbing the ladder and the main is full of sap on the low side and the vacuum is dropping of that it is working efficiently? Umm no. I have plenty of vacuum in inches and CFM. It is called being locked up because there is not enough tree gas being expelled or I found all of my leaks. I can watch the vacuum level increase after adding a leak. I know my woods.
Your lunch is very similar to mine, but I have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to go with the chips, chocolate and soda. Lol Needle valve on the sap ladder. I’m going to try that this year on my two ladders. Do you know what you are getting for vacuum at the end of those lines, compared to your pump?
not really. On my big woods where I have ladders and leakers I am running around 24". The pump shows 26-27 so you do loose a little bit. But I still have more sap at the end of the day than skipping them because I didn't have vacuum on them.
I’m very interested in your new packaging equipment that came in the crate . Would you share the model of it with me so I could research it . I’m looking at the same sort of set up I believe. Thanks
Pretty cool the way your sap ladders are working. We have a spot to try it next year.
The 2 legged boss is going to rip on you for stealing the kids lunch snacks.ha ha
All I hear is where did all the small bags of chips go?
Nice refrigerator ... got one just like it ....
It’s super energy efficient
Put 6 way star fitting facing down for sap to drop into then your 5/16 lines up to your next main. You will have much better luck. Cheers!
I am using a new system to try this year th-cam.com/video/yTTbgmtzgM4/w-d-xo.html take a look at this video. I have also been using the 5/16
Correct, the bottom star should face down, the upper star should face up. So sap falls down into the star on the bottom and sap falls down into the mainline on the top. One 6 star ladder should be used for every 30 taps its trying to lift on average.
My lunches in the woods or hauling sap looks the same 😅
I figured most were
Yup agree on the work is a hassle….😂 I work Chicago shift and after a long 24, I sometimes work almost a straight 48 on maple….why do we do this. I miss my California shift.
at this point stress is just a way of life I think
Lots of beef jerky lunches. Do you drain your pans every night if you plan on firing up again the next day?
Nope just walk away after the fire goes out
Your sap ladders are not working because your bottom inlets are facing up, they need to be on the bottom facing down so sap can drop down into them and air can still pass. right now your setup needs to flood the main to get sucked up the ladder. doing this you will no longer need a vent, venting your line defeats every purpose of maintaining a tight system.
That the new way of sap ladders and the work great until u get to air tight
I am using a new system to try this year th-cam.com/video/yTTbgmtzgM4/w-d-xo.html take a look at this video. I have also been using the 5/16
All of the ladder systems have the potential to get air tight and need a leaker
@@dunnfamilymaple this is just not true, added leak defeats the whole purpose of keeping a tight system. 1 inch of vacuum is a 10% increase in production. if you design your ladders correctly adding a leak cuts your production down. Your trees produce enough gas to make a proper sap ladder setup work. Test have been done over and over that proves a leaker is not needed and loses production. You can even test this yourself, on a good run take an hour to test this. Count your releaser dumps for an hour with a leaker and again without a leaker. If you are getting more releaser dumps with a leaker you have an inefficient ladder setup and it need to be reworked. Also remember you should get good vacuum transfer on the upstream side of your ladders or you do not have enough ladders in the system. Another part of the equation is you need CFM's to pull sap up a ladder. In summary if you use a leaker you are losing sap production, if you need a leaker your system is not designed right or you do not have enough CFM to run one without losing 10% sap volume per inch of vacuum you are introducing into your tubing system. 10% per inch is a huge loss.
So your telling me that if I have 27" of vacuum and the sap is not climbing the ladder and the main is full of sap on the low side and the vacuum is dropping of that it is working efficiently? Umm no. I have plenty of vacuum in inches and CFM. It is called being locked up because there is not enough tree gas being expelled or I found all of my leaks. I can watch the vacuum level increase after adding a leak. I know my woods.
Your lunch is very similar to mine, but I have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to go with the chips, chocolate and soda. Lol
Needle valve on the sap ladder. I’m going to try that this year on my two ladders. Do you know what you are getting for vacuum at the end of those lines, compared to your pump?
not really. On my big woods where I have ladders and leakers I am running around 24". The pump shows 26-27 so you do loose a little bit. But I still have more sap at the end of the day than skipping them because I didn't have vacuum on them.
@@dunnfamilymaple Still that is a little better then the 5 inches that I am losing on my ladders.
@@Sawyersmaple ladders are far from perfect for sure
Hey Dunn what saddle did u use for you sap ladders
I use two types. I use the new 3/16 ladders as well as the star system with 5/16. for the 3/16 I use the H2O saddles.
I’m very interested in your new packaging equipment that came in the crate . Would you share the model of it with me so I could research it . I’m looking at the same sort of set up I believe. Thanks
The crate was a 30”X8’ leader patriot with max flu and inferno arch. My stuff was as hoods with a pre heater