Canvas vs. Wood
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ม.ค. 2017
- Straight comparison between the two most common painting substrates: stretched canvas and wood panels.
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Thank you for your amazing art and you very clear advice
COOL LANDSCAPE PAINTING BACK THERE
Thanks! Venturing to guess you're talking about the yellow one, I've got a making of video for it here: th-cam.com/video/Sf-HUUt6WwU/w-d-xo.html
Great video, really useful information and well structured. Thank you :)
Thanks! Exactly what I was looking for. I've only painted on wood panels, after watching your vid I'm going to experiment w/stretched canvas! Yay
Hi Gina, which kind of wood did you use?
Great info. Thanks
Thank you 💕
nice video but i know that i would love to see you paint again
Well the PPV playlist is always good to see something you may have missed: th-cam.com/play/PLXlCu9yh8xJlWP_T1u0mA9Y_RIENjOSMi.html
Wood is also more archival than canvas.
Very nice .Can use some plastic sheet and use enamel paint on it?
I've never used enamel paints so I really can't say
All I paint is expected to be permanent. Not sure what you meant by if you want to keep your painting permanent ...? If i want canvas texture to paint on - you can glur canvas to a wood panel, That canvas can be removed from the panel later on if needed.
Canvas deteriorates more than a wood panel does over the decades/centuries, but also canvas can be unwrapped and re-stretched on the same bars, while with wood you don't have the ability to save on costs that way.
@@cinderblockstudios …and this is why we use Belgium linen. Let me guess, you don't know what that is either, and don't think newbs care to know?
Hello, thank you for your video!
I have painted on both wood, primed with gesso and canvas. I have noticed how the tooth/texture of canvas is a vaaast difference from the very smoothe surface of wood. Is there really a cotton or linen canvas that can compare in terms of how smooth a wood panel is? Da vinci painted on oak panels I believe, had the support been canvas, the paintings would have looked fairly different, especially once you start looking at fine detail?...
Depending on either how much you prep or the quality of which you buy canvas can be on the rougher side or VERY smooth. Obviously not quite as silky as you can get on a wood panel, but pretty close for sure for some tighter weave cotton duck or high quality linen.
@@cinderblockstudios Thank you for your answer I appreciate it.
@@cinderblockstudios Would you happen to know, if I want to prime my board (I have white Gesso), what could be mixed with the gesso in order to make it very dark (burnt umber for instance) so I don't start painting on a white surface...Thank you very much!
@@maudale Gesso can be tinted with any other acrylic color, but the gesso will pastel the color out acting like a white. Without going out of your way to get some black gesso. I'd just paint the canvas a color after gessoing.
@@cinderblockstudios Thank you again!! I heard MDF wood sheets are not archival and should be avoided for oil painting, however if it's coated with liquid gesso on both sides (to help make it resistant to moisture) it shouldn't really be a huge problem?
There are so many options, from plywood, to acryllic boards, to plastic boards, to aluminium boards, it's so difficult to choose, especially ifyou need it cut to a specific size:)
can i use a latex paint for a primer
Technically you CAN, but I don't really recommend it. Latex paint dries to a smooth finish and will cause issues with your paints not being able to absorb into the surface. Regular gesso is more than just pigment and acrylic emulsion, it usually has gypsum or calcium carbonate added to act as a true "grounding" for your paints. Painting over a latex surface with anything but other latex paint will give you adhesion issues, and if you're using acrylics in particular you might see thinner layers of paint start to peel off.
thank you so much.
of course, any time!
@@cinderblockstudios Nope. Wrong again geez. OK- Latex is just an acrylic made to produce thousands of mixable colors using a standard three base system, white or light base, deep and middle (gray) Each of these comes in four types, flat, semi gloss, gloss, and satin. If you use outdoor grade paint, the lightfastness is greater than that of most artist grade paint. Additionally, because of this base, you need to thin your paint differently, using a clear medium, not with water, as it will degrade the base, and that is where you run into problems, However as it applies to your statements about using latex as a gesso- you are half right, but you can add your own gypsum, chalk and pumice to add texture and porosity to the medium, or you could opt for a PVA primer sold in paint stores which can be toned to any color, and has a good amount of adhesive quality for your acrylic or oil paint. I have sealed painting like this for decades. PVA primer comes in a five gallon too. Compared to art store primers, its way better, and way cheaper. Adding gypsum to any latex medium will add porosity, giving the flat and rough texture associated with gesso. Talc and chalk among other additives will flatten any paint. How do you think they make flat paint to begin with? All they are doing is breaking up the surface tension as the paint cures.
Does wood last longer? Does it preserve better?
While wood wouldn't have the same issues that canvas would, it does also come with its own set of issues. Wood is more vulnerable to atmospheric changes specifically humidity.
@@cinderblockstudios Yes it is subject to moisture if not sealed properly, but it is more stable for the paint films when it comes down to it, unless you make your frame from aluminum, canvas has even more issues than the panels do... and you can always paint on aluminum, they make panels out of that too... and yes, you still need to seal aluminum.
✨usful info
LOL. I find canvas really cheap, and if I mess up a panel, then I can sand it down, re- apply gesso over the old painting, and its new again. A canvas can't hold up to something like that, nor can it remain as rigid over the years as a panel might. A properly sealed and gesso'ed panel will move less, and the oil will not crack or deform over top of the surface because of this. This also brings me to the main reason I use them, I paint with extremely thin glazes, and a canvas just cannot give a firm enough, smooth enough surface to allow that to remain even. I also do not like the "freckled" look of canvas's dimpled surface, reflecting all those unwanted highlights over my detailing.
I've only done one wood panel painting. It was a nice experience, but I think I'll stick with canvas
you didn't talk about the acidity of oil paints in wood, lead based oil ground? rabbit skin glue?? if you paint in top of commercial gesso it will eat away the canvas within 20 years..
Interesting. I'm not an oil painter so none of that was really relevant at the time...but to be fair I don't think a lot of beginners care that much. Also I really have no idea what rabbit skin glue is even for.
@@cinderblockstudios oh rabbit skin glue is for curators to remove the film of paint and adhere it to a new canvas. I loved your passion and videos btw
@@cinderblockstudios Yes, there is a whole world of info you aren't sharing about both panels and canvas- sealing them, and preparing them archivally is a big thing among oil painters. It should be for acrylic artist as well, protecting the paint- no matter what it is from the acidity of the wood, or the wood from the oil, is a big deal. Just talking about the flexibility of art production is one thing, knowing how the archivist deals with a panel or a canvas is another. Either a panel or canvas sealed and sized using rabbitskin glue (RSG) can be removed from the panel or canvas and re-applied to a new ground, to preserve the piece. The masters (anyone from the middle ages forward) had made use of RSG to seal and make gesso for the canvas or panel, and for the record, panels were the preferred way to make any oil painting smaller than 24x36" and under, canvas was simply used for weight concerns. The Mona Lisa was painted in this fashion on wood boards, BOARDS. Back then they had no plywood. The cracks are due to the RSG slowly degrading over the years, pulling at the oil, as the oil shrinks at a different rate than that of the RSG. Today, we recommend using a reversible PVA glue, so as to provide more rigid, dimensionally stable surface to paint upon. I simply think you aren't well read on panels, nor do you know their true value.
At the time none of this was known to me, but generally speaking it's NOT something I would put in the video these days either (beyond maybe an asterisk side comment). The vast majority of artists watching my content are beginners, and the acidity just isn't relevant for them. That said while archival quality is important if you're making work that doesn't resonate with people, it doesn't matter how perfect you support is.
@@cinderblockstudios If this video does represent your current knowledge or opinions, take it down? Redo it? I am reacting to the poor quality of research (or lack of) knowledge about the subject, when you are posing as a "authority" for these things. You put higher value upon views vs integrity it seems. This video is not a "point in time" presentation, it is a "How To"... and there are a lot of inaccuracies at a basic level you spill onto the public.