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Tried it, and it worked good 👍 so far lol 100 years from now, it'll be the conservators problem lol...also If you read the label on the acrylic medium bottles it actually says that it can be used as a strong adhesive
Your opening music always makes me chuckle. I feel like I should snap to attention and get ready to start marching somewhere. " ATTENTION! READY FOR PAINTING! I know a couple of successful artists that will only use Belgian linen now. It is supposed to be that good. Out of my budget though, I'm still in the scrounging stage. I do like the idea of mounting on a panel instead of a stretcher frame though. I thought you might have left a bit of the linen to fold over the back - making a cleaner edge possibly? Lots of good, helpful information there. It must have been windy, or raining when you did this. I had to keep taking my headphones off & look outside because I thought the weather was changing. And sometimes when we get older, shrinkage is just part of life.
Thank you very much, but before I paint (egg tempera) much better to stick very fine linen on plywood, and make gesso on the canvas when stuck on the plywood? Which linen is the best I need by weight or thickness?
You should do affiliate links in you description of your supplies used in videos like these, it's extra revenue and we love to support you! :)) It also cuts down on questions like "What board are you using?" (but what board are~ you using?)
I am wondering if A. Is there anything to be gained in appearance if the linen was wrapped around the sides and glued 1/8 to 1/4 in on the back and B. Would the Matt medium adhere to the white Board finish. I like the idea and also wonder what kind of luck I would get adhering a 140# 100% rag paper to the board for watercolor. Good stuff to experiment and play with. BTW watercolor panels are quite expensive too if you buy fairly large and use many. Nice video.
Works great with water color 100% cotton paper. I have done it several times with hardboard. You can mount it before you paint, or you can mount a finished painting directly to the board using the acrylic medium. It is much easier to mount if you do leave 1/4" overlap to trim with a utility knifre after it dries. I usually just add 1/4" to my original painting for easy mounting afterward. There are a number of "how to" videos out there on this well worth checking out before you attempt it yourself, but it's done pretty much the same way you see here. However, I have no idea how it will do on the shiny white side of that board, but definitely the unfinished side would work.
Thanks Dale, I think the matte medium would stick to the white board if you wanted to wrap the edges. I don't think there's much to be gained in appearance, if fact I like the look of a clean cut edge. Wrapping could prevent the edges and corners from peeling, but that hasn't been a problem for me, as I mentioned in the video. I think mounting your rag paper to white board would definitely make it more durable.
Hey buddy, I did an awesome panel last night with linenthe edge sealed nice BUT JUST behind the edge on one side the linen is bubbled up just a bit(maybe 1/2" wide n 3" long bubbles, 2 of them) would u tear the edge back up and reglue the linen to the panel specifically clamping that area? Or do u think it will be fine given that this area will prolly be covered by a frame...thanks Mike! U are the best!
Hi, thanks so much for these informative videos. Just wondering how heavy these masonite boards are and if there is any lighter alternative. If the artwork has to be shipped to a collector it may be expensive.
@@chamberlainpaintings Thanks for your kind reply. Would it work to glue paper on these boards? I have plenty of acrylic on thick paper paintings and don't know what to do with them.
THANK YOU, that's exactly what I want to do for my next project! same size, etc. I'm not sure where to get the linen already primed tho cuz Jerry's charges too much to ship to Hawaii. Maybe Amazon? Great vid tho thanks!
Hi! Thank you so much for sharing your process. I have always painted on stretched canvas and I want to use oil on linen panel. I have an acrylic primed linen, wooden cradled panel and an acrylic matt medium to use as glue. My question ... is it necessary to seal the wooden panel with GAC 100 before gluing linen onto the panel?
Michael, how would you compare gesso on panel vs canvas on panel? I like the feel of canvas when I paint but I’m curious about how gesso on board feels. Does it have texture? Does it feel at all similar? I paint with palette knife and I don’t like it to be smooth.
Matte medium is expensive - what else can be used? PVC glue? Great tip about shrinkage. Why don't you like just painting on the masonite board? Thanks for sharing!
Just a warning about this process, from someone who's paintings were ruined by painting on already oil primed linen glued onto a surface by a canvas panel manufactuer. Here is the problem. You can not guarantee that the glue will not penetrate thru pin holes of the already oil primed linen. I know this first hand. It will sneakily get on the painting surface where becomes a barrier that your oil paint will not adhere! You may not notice it for years, but the layer of your painting closest to the canvas will eventually start to fragment. Its awful. Alternatively if one insists on painting on panels, the only way I know of is to glue the linen first on the panel, rabbit skin glue or a synthetic. Then you do the oil priming over it. That is the only way this will work. So if your buying panels that claim be be oil primed linen before was glued, you may be screwed. Never buy pre primed linen then glue it to panels.
@@chamberlainpaintings you may have lucked out that the pre primed canvas had no holes or that the glue you are using has stuck longer on oil primed canvas. The problem may also differ between oil primed vs acrylic primed. But I am certain now that it was the glue seaping thru that caused this in my paintings. I have other panels done by a different manufacturer that have not had this happen so far. But every one by this one manufacturer where they applied clausens #13 pre oil primed linen with glue is ruined.
I should also add, I tried making my own panels once using the same glue as the manufacturer of the problem bought panels. The painting i kept of those has done the same thing. It's the glue causing the problem, for certain. All my other oil paintings on other surfaces are fine. It could be a chemical reaction between the particular glue they used. I do not know. But I also have several panels of theirs I have not painted on and if you look carefully you can see where it has come thru to the painting side of the panel. It is so important to protect the painting surface from adding anything to it other than your paint and mediums.
Is PVA cheaper? That would work as well. I don’t make linen panels anymore, preferring to work on gessoed panels instead. The linen is primed with two coats of oil primer, so it’s kinda stiff.
@@ronschlorff7089 that's a good idea. I prefer a smoother surface so would go with portrait weave. Thanks for your ideas! Esp for being able to say Belgian Linen! :)
Yeah, didn't know acrylic medium could be used as a glue. As a side note, some acrylic painters do use PVA glue as a medium :-). So, one thing I'm a bit confused on...I thought you leave a little bit excess overhang to account for shrinkage, but at the end, you trim off your excess with a utility knife?
I use PVA to sea/prime all my hardboard panels before gessoing or adding canvas. I use the PVA also to adhere the canvas to the panels, and have not had any issues. A gallon of PVA/Elmer's Glue All is about 20 bucks at Ace Hardware.
These panels are definitely archival. Masonite is a good support even when simply primed or gessoed. Attaching high quality linen makes them even more durable.
Acrylic Matt medium is specifically designed to extend paint and nowhere can I find that it is also recommended as a binding agent for linen onto masonite. Yes I know you have evidence that it holds up well for at least 13 years however this is hardly proof of long term archival longevity. From my own research I’ve found that most experts are recommending using a ph neutral pva glue. If you are going to post a video recommending this I would advise that you consult with the manufacturer regarding the archival properties of using it for bonding linen to masonite. Other than that you give a great demonstration.
Matt Medium has been used as an adhesive in the crafting community for a really long time...it is used somewhat similar to Mod Podge. In that world if using paints they will use Matt Medium as the adhesive and if not the Mod Podge... the Matt Medium has a pretty long history of being used as an adhesive....though no one is going on the limb for 100yr old archival adhesive properties of Matt Medium...in fact there is starting to be some evidence that acryllic Gesso is suffering break down after many years now of being used. Personally I am switching to oil primed for many works moving forward of my fine art paintings...for my palette knife pop style paintings I will be staying with acrylic primer and oil paint on top.
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acrylic medium as glue is insane, i love this. I always learn so much from your videos. please keep it up
Tried it, and it worked good 👍 so far lol 100 years from now, it'll be the conservators problem lol...also If you read the label on the acrylic medium bottles it actually says that it can be used as a strong adhesive
Your opening music always makes me chuckle.
I feel like I should snap to attention and get ready to start marching somewhere.
" ATTENTION! READY FOR PAINTING!
I know a couple of successful artists that will only use Belgian linen now. It is supposed to be that good.
Out of my budget though, I'm still in the scrounging stage.
I do like the idea of mounting on a panel instead of a stretcher frame though. I thought you might have left a bit of the linen to fold over the back - making a cleaner edge possibly?
Lots of good, helpful information there.
It must have been windy, or raining when you did this. I had to keep taking my headphones off & look outside because I thought the weather was changing.
And sometimes when we get older, shrinkage is just part of life.
I dont paint but ur vids make me feel peaceful! Sooooooooo, thanks! :)
I used to paint often and your videos give me motivation to try to get back into it
Linen on board, Now you're talking. Luv it Mike😊
Nice...I feel the cypress trees are calling that linen panel....can’t wait to hear your review!
Thanks for the great demo. It is always helpful to learn of cost savings. Happy painting
Loving these!
Thank you so much. I am a huge fan of your work. You are my favourite artist.
Always giving us so much great insight!!
Awesome, I know this video will come in handy soon 🎨 Great to know that I can make my own canvases for a lower price
yasss!! shoutout to noah buchanan! so glad i got to take a class with him, he’s amazing
Yes! I recently ran into him on the beach in Pacifica. He was teaching a plein air class for CSM.
So enjoyable & informative. Thank you 💖
Excellent video. Beautiful paintings.
Hell ya I'm definitely trying then painting really cool
Excellent information. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks, sure makes Belgian Linen more affordable.
Great video! I can do this, and will do this! Thanks Michael.
NIce tips to save money. It would be fun to see you experiment with palette knives on a seascape one of these days,,,
Thank you very much, but before I paint (egg tempera) much better to stick very fine linen on plywood, and make gesso on the canvas when stuck on the plywood? Which linen is the best I need by weight or thickness?
Like the old car painting! How was Pebble Beach?
I went to Pacific Grove. It was a family vacation so I didn't get to paint but I had a great time. 😊
You should do affiliate links in you description of your supplies used in videos like these, it's extra revenue and we love to support you! :)) It also cuts down on questions like "What board are you using?" (but what board are~ you using?)
I'll definitely look into affiliate links!
I am wondering if A. Is there anything to be gained in appearance if the linen was wrapped around the sides and glued 1/8 to 1/4 in on the back and B. Would the Matt medium adhere to the white Board finish. I like the idea and also wonder what kind of luck I would get adhering a 140# 100% rag paper to the board for watercolor. Good stuff to experiment and play with. BTW watercolor panels are quite expensive too if you buy fairly large and use many.
Nice video.
Works great with water color 100% cotton paper. I have done it several times with hardboard. You can mount it before you paint, or you can mount a finished painting directly to the board using the acrylic medium. It is much easier to mount if you do leave 1/4" overlap to trim with a utility knifre after it dries. I usually just add 1/4" to my original painting for easy mounting afterward. There are a number of "how to" videos out there on this well worth checking out before you attempt it yourself, but it's done pretty much the same way you see here. However, I have no idea how it will do on the shiny white side of that board, but definitely the unfinished side would work.
Here's a good video:
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Thanks Paul! I will watch that.
Thanks Dale, I think the matte medium would stick to the white board if you wanted to wrap the edges. I don't think there's much to be gained in appearance, if fact I like the look of a clean cut edge. Wrapping could prevent the edges and corners from peeling, but that hasn't been a problem for me, as I mentioned in the video. I think mounting your rag paper to white board would definitely make it more durable.
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Just ordered this same linen small roll for $37.
Hey buddy, I did an awesome panel last night with linenthe edge sealed nice BUT JUST behind the edge on one side the linen is bubbled up just a bit(maybe 1/2" wide n 3" long bubbles, 2 of them) would u tear the edge back up and reglue the linen to the panel specifically clamping that area? Or do u think it will be fine given that this area will prolly be covered by a frame...thanks Mike! U are the best!
Sounds like it should be ok. You could always fix it later if it’s a problem
@@chamberlainpaintings I like that answer lol :) good enough for me! Thanks!
Hi, thanks so much for these informative videos. Just wondering how heavy these masonite boards are and if there is any lighter alternative. If the artwork has to be shipped to a collector it may be expensive.
You could mount on Gatorboard but it’s SO expensive. Shipping is usually by dimensions with paintings so the weight isn’t an issue 😊👍
@@chamberlainpaintings Thanks for your kind reply. Would it work to glue paper on these boards? I have plenty of acrylic on thick paper paintings and don't know what to do with them.
I think that could work. You’d need to use a pH neutral glue.
THANK YOU, that's exactly what I want to do for my next project! same size, etc. I'm not sure where to get the linen already primed tho cuz Jerry's charges too much to ship to Hawaii. Maybe Amazon? Great vid tho thanks!
I'm not sure, but I saw you can order it from Walmart! Yeah, I'd try amazon.
@@chamberlainpaintings ok thanks.
Hi! Thank you so much for sharing your process. I have always painted on stretched canvas and I want to use oil on linen panel. I have an acrylic primed linen, wooden cradled panel and an acrylic matt medium to use as glue. My question ... is it necessary to seal the wooden panel with GAC 100 before gluing linen onto the panel?
I didn’t, and the panels I made 20 years ago are still lookin good 👍
@@chamberlainpaintings Glued linen to panel and absolutely love painting on it... thank you so much again
Michael, how would you compare gesso on panel vs canvas on panel? I like the feel of canvas when I paint but I’m curious about how gesso on board feels. Does it have texture? Does it feel at all similar? I paint with palette knife and I don’t like it to be smooth.
I don’t think gessoed panels would work well with a palette knife. Too easy to scrape off the paint.
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After a while it doesn't buckle? What kind of panel is it? how thick is it?👍
Would gloss medium work?
Matte medium is expensive - what else can be used? PVC glue? Great tip about shrinkage. Why don't you like just painting on the masonite board? Thanks for sharing!
Did you follow up and paint on this? Hwas the surface and did you compare it w/ another?
I didn’t actually like it he linen! I like my gessoed panels better
Why did you prefer your gesso boards over linen? Do you have a video on putting gesso onto a board?
Hello, nice art bro.
Is there follow up to this video saying how you liked the linen panels you made?
No, but I prefer the gessoed panels I currently use. I have a video showing how I make them 😊👍
Hi michael, u rock;
Michael Scott
Just a warning about this process, from someone who's paintings were ruined by painting on already oil primed linen glued onto a surface by a canvas panel manufactuer. Here is the problem. You can not guarantee that the glue will not penetrate thru pin holes of the already oil primed linen. I know this first hand. It will sneakily get on the painting surface where becomes a barrier that your oil paint will not adhere! You may not notice it for years, but the layer of your painting closest to the canvas will eventually start to fragment. Its awful.
Alternatively if one insists on painting on panels, the only way I know of is to glue the linen first on the panel, rabbit skin glue or a synthetic. Then you do the oil priming over it. That is the only way this will work. So if your buying panels that claim be be oil primed linen before was glued, you may be screwed. Never buy pre primed linen then glue it to panels.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I have many paintings on panels made this way that are over 20 years and they’re all ok! No problems.
@@chamberlainpaintings you may have lucked out that the pre primed canvas had no holes or that the glue you are using has stuck longer on oil primed canvas. The problem may also differ between oil primed vs acrylic primed. But I am certain now that it was the glue seaping thru that caused this in my paintings. I have other panels done by a different manufacturer that have not had this happen so far. But every one by this one manufacturer where they applied clausens #13 pre oil primed linen with glue is ruined.
I should also add, I tried making my own panels once using the same glue as the manufacturer of the problem bought panels. The painting i kept of those has done the same thing. It's the glue causing the problem, for certain. All my other oil paintings on other surfaces are fine. It could be a chemical reaction between the particular glue they used. I do not know. But I also have several panels of theirs I have not painted on and if you look carefully you can see where it has come thru to the painting side of the panel. It is so important to protect the painting surface from adding anything to it other than your paint and mediums.
Oh heck yeah. Just what I needed to know. Matte medium is expensive, why not PVA glue, your thoughts? Why does that linen look so stiff?
Is PVA cheaper? That would work as well. I don’t make linen panels anymore, preferring to work on gessoed panels instead. The linen is primed with two coats of oil primer, so it’s kinda stiff.
where is the good place to buy masonite white board ???
I get it at Lowe’s
I'm still afraid to order that expensive linen.
@@ronschlorff7089 that's a good idea. I prefer a smoother surface so would go with portrait weave. Thanks for your ideas! Esp for being able to say Belgian Linen! :)
Yeah, didn't know acrylic medium could be used as a glue. As a side note, some acrylic painters do use PVA glue as a medium :-). So, one thing I'm a bit confused on...I thought you leave a little bit excess overhang to account for shrinkage, but at the end, you trim off your excess with a utility knife?
The shrinkage occurs during the drying process. Once the acrylic medium is dry, no further shrinkage occurs and you can cut off the excess canvas.
@@chamberlainpaintings Got it. So all the shrinkage would have occurred after overnight period.
Exactly
I use PVA to sea/prime all my hardboard panels before gessoing or adding canvas. I use the PVA also to adhere the canvas to the panels, and have not had any issues. A gallon of PVA/Elmer's Glue All is about 20 bucks at Ace Hardware.
Why white board? Wouldn't plain masonite be a lot cheaper?
Less likely to warp. Price difference is minimal.
Why not mount to gatorboard / Thoughts?
You could but it’s really expensive
@@chamberlainpaintings Hmm With the cost of lumber these days I was hoping it would make $$$ sense
This is not going to be archival though because of the masonite, right?
These panels are definitely archival. Masonite is a good support even when simply primed or gessoed. Attaching high quality linen makes them even more durable.
Nice process but this type of linen is outrageously expensive in the U.K. (£84 per metre x 210 width).
i watch you more than i watch emma chamberlain, haha
Acrylic Matt medium is specifically designed to extend paint and nowhere can I find that it is also recommended as a binding agent for linen onto masonite. Yes I know you have evidence that it holds up well for at least 13 years however this is hardly proof of long term archival longevity. From my own research I’ve found that most experts are recommending using a ph neutral pva glue. If you are going to post a video recommending this I would advise that you consult with the manufacturer regarding the archival properties of using it for bonding linen to masonite. Other than that you give a great demonstration.
How long have you been painting?
@@chamberlainpaintings 30 years
@@chamberlainpaintings 30 years painting BA Middlesex, MA St Martins, PGCE (Post Compulsory Chelsea
Matt Medium has been used as an adhesive in the crafting community for a really long time...it is used somewhat similar to Mod Podge. In that world if using paints they will use Matt Medium as the adhesive and if not the Mod Podge... the Matt Medium has a pretty long history of being used as an adhesive....though no one is going on the limb for 100yr old archival adhesive properties of Matt Medium...in fact there is starting to be some evidence that acryllic Gesso is suffering break down after many years now of being used. Personally I am switching to oil primed for many works moving forward of my fine art paintings...for my palette knife pop style paintings I will be staying with acrylic primer and oil paint on top.
Michael Scott