Collection of George's comments on how he'd do the Sequel Trilogy: www.reddit.com/r/MawInstallation/comments/qvlhyg/collection_of_research_on_lucas_sequel_plans/
I like the narrative structure of his original sequel trilogy as it seems cohesive and well planned. However, if his direction from the Prequel trilogy is anything to judge by, than the dialogue and writing choices in his sequel trilogy probably would’ve suffered. I feel that if George Lucas really wanted ideas to be translated to the big screen, he should’ve served as an executive producer for it while allowing other directors/writers to come in similar to his work on The Clone Wars Tv series that way he’d maintain his vision as that seems to be his strength now days.
Let’s all pretend that the original cast did not age 30+ years. Let’s cast a 60 something year old Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher as young adults in their early 20s. Yeah, let’s do that. Or, we can recast the entire original crew with new actors and run with the story Lucas had described. Yeah, let’s do that! Disney chose to keep the original actors and tell a different story that takes place some 30+ years following ROTJ.
@@plasmaarmelund That wasn't the last we've seen of him, if you watched The Clone Wars. .. not gonna fully spoil it though, in case you haven;t watched it.🤫
Leia becoming Chancellor would have been an amazing send off for Carrie Fisher and it would completed Padme's arc since she was considered to be the next Chancellor during the Clone Wars. Along with Luke rebuilding the Jedi Order also basically would have been the Skywalker's way of repaying the galaxy back for their father's sins. Sad that this will never happen.
@@vezolf4313 I'm thinking about getting them. Just curious, do I need to know anything else from the EU or will knowledge from the saga be enough to jump into the series?
@@SuperSevchenko Thrawn is a great jumping-in point to the various EU book series since it’s basically the first. I believe there a full timeline of all the books that have the read order/release order listed that you can follow if you want to really dig in
It is recycling. It takes Maul, who according to the damn script of TPM is dead, and resurrects him. It takes Darth Talon who just CANT be there at the moment, aince she was born century later, but George just puts her there. And there is things that already were done by other writers, becoming of New Jedi Order, Leia becoming Chancellor AND jedi
@@mrzirak792 I'm talking in terms of base Star Wars, not EU. A lot of fans wanted the EU to be introduced into canon media. While you are right about Maul being "recycled", he was already present in the Clone Wars, then Disney killed him off in Rebels. On the other hand, in terms of actual recycling, we have The Force Awakens, which is almost beat for beat a rehash of A New Hope, just with new names that were never mentioned before. Then we end with the surprise return of the main villain from all the previous movies and his defeat through a team-up of the main protagonist with a dark side user turned good. That's what I meant with recycling. In George's version they wouldn't be fighting another unified empire, but a crime syndicate spread across all worlds. They'd be trying to rebuild instead of going into another war to defend whatever is there and so on.
@@spacedaniel492 you could replace EU with movies and Disney canon and "oh wait" would have as much sense as it did before. Even 6 mainline movies contradict each other, not to mention TCW, Disney sequels and shows and etc.
That's the beauty of the Star Wars fandom. If they do something new, nobody watches (Andor). If they don't, everyone complains it's not new. Repeat et infinitum.
Sounds pretty cool. If a Galactic Empire fell apart, there would be a lot of chaos in the galaxy. System-wide economies would collapse, civil wars would break out, and the New Republic/Jedi would likely struggle to maintain order. I could definitely see ex-Imperial warlords and shady crime bosses thriving in that scenario. Sounds a lot like what I had hoped the Mandalorian would focus on.
The Mandalorian and Ahsoka sadly will only focus on trying to connect to the sequels to make the sequels better instead of ignoring that crap and focusing on the rebuilding of the Jedi and the New Republic.
@@Ivan_KVI would generally disagree with that. Both shows focus a lot more on story lines not heavily connected to the sequel trilogy. The big thing connecting them to the sequel trilogy is building up Project Necromancer, but honestly.. that's a story element taken from Legends; so, I would almost consider that to do more with Thrawn than with the sequel trilogy.
Surprise surprise when a person has a cohesive idea for a trilogy it’s much more compelling than when 50 Disney executives try and engineer a trilogy to be as safe as possible. As usual, corporate greed is antithetical to art.
@@clarkmichaels822 Exactly. George can criticize the sequels or simply talk about his vision for it all he wants but at the end of the day he took 4 billion$ for his baby. hah. And George Lucas botched much of the prequels, IMO. Plus, G.L. should have made his sequels instead of the prequels. Maybe then Harrison Ford might have slapped some sense into him. "No I'm not going to partner with your green screen frog character for half the movie. Make him something else, put someone in a suit and voice him... differently." Disney made some mistakes too but I think the sequels turned out better than the prequels. Yes there are some wacky parts and the 3 movies clash with each other but I'm a fan of how they were done, acting and fx wise.
@@clarkmichaels822, which he did so that he could focus on spending time with his family. Also, George donated that $4 billion to charity, so what the hell are you talking about?
@@clarkmichaels822 and look at the quality of George Lucas’s most recent work. Strange magic is one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen, and dial of destiny is a damn rough movie. My point wasn’t that George is amazing, more that when a person is telling a story devoid of corporate fiscal factors, such as what we see in the clip, that story is significantly better.
@@vincelupo8419 the problem with George Lucas is that after the OT nobody could tell him now. The problem with Disney is that the sequel trilogy wasn’t given a cohesive creative voice, and instead was much more beholden to executives and shareholders. I personally prefer much of Disney Star Wars to Lucas’s Star Wars, especially the shows and other spin offs, but my main issue resides with the broader corporate model that is making *all* art significantly worse
I like the general idea of a sequel trilogy sort of being a reverse prequel trilogy. It would allow for a proper resolution to the story as well as prop up the original trilogy as the center and most important part. It would allow the skywalker family to bring everything back to normal and also continue the legacys of their parents.
Wow. What is, "reverse prequel trilogy"?! That sounds amazing, lol. In all honesty I think that that was what I always understood was supposed to happen.
@@alexkx8599 the prequel trilogy shows us how the republic turns into the empire and how the jedi order turns into a handful of lone jedi. My view would be a bit of how the empire turns back into a republic and how lone jedi rebuild the order. Both would point toward the original trilogy. Return of the jedi is a great ending for that trilogy but it doesn't show us how they rebuild.
@@CarlFlapjack, in other words: The Prequel Trilogy is the fall of the Old Republic and the rise of the Empire. The Original Trilogy is the fall of the Empire. The Sequel Trilogy is the rise of the New Republic.
@@TheGamerFriends The sequels have always been appreciated and continue to be appreciated, because most fans aren't hating on it and it created new fans. Yes the writing isn't great, but they're still enjoyable movies individually. They're just not a good Star Wars franchise.
@@anti1training there is almost nothing to appreciate so i suspect you're talking out your a$$ also that "weird writing" comes from a style that probably predates you by about 50 years from the 1930s and 1940s and that was the case for every star wars movie he wrote
I would give anything for some kind of book that shows Lucas’ sequel story treatments. I really miss his drive to do new and exciting things with the galaxy. He would’ve given us an era just as unique as the clone wars, I know it
Only because of Hermit Old man Luke. That’s the one thing Rian got from Lucas’ story treatments but even he said there wasn’t much there so he had to explain it. Lucas envisioned a much more appropriate master & student training between Old man Luke and his Proto-version of Rey
There is an end in mind here. The establishment of the Jedi Order and the recreation of the Republic. The Sequel Trilogy never had a plan, and, therefore couldn't be cohesive and naturally build toward a conclusion.
My thinking is... you can sorta tell Last Jedi had ideas in mind, plot threads that could've been picked up, like Snoke, a potential thing between Rey and Ren (no... that- that thing they did in RoS doesn't count, not when he drops dead a second later), and Broom Boy being force sensitive. The problem is after the severe backlash to Last Jedi and Disney's desperate attempt to interest the fans, ALL plans were thrown out the window, thus, RoS was born in a dumpster with the director from the first film, who essentially recycled old material. I know a lot of people don't like hearing this but Abrams was the worst. At least Johnson had different ideas and tackled them. Abrams stayed safe by rehashing A New Hope in TFA, and then recycling Palpatine in RoS. He had no originality. And so, he had no "plan" or endpoint in mind.
@@adnanbey4871 I know I'm in the minority, but I like his Star Trek films, so what in the hell happened when he did the SW sequels? They're not faithful to the story overall, and if they stand, then the Skywalkers ultimately failed in everything they did (unforgivable!).
@@Himmiefan That's a big issue with the films. One of many anyway. The Skywalkers not only failed but their line is wiped out. Gone while they tried to shoehorn Rey into the family by name only.
Kathleen Kennedy and her pathetic ideals of the real world entering the sci-fi world. Let’s keep it real, the woke agenda does not need to impede so much in the Star Wars universe that it destroys all fabric of what George Lucas created.
Love it. Only extra thing i'd do to spice things up is to use Thrawn commanding the imperial remanscents. Leia vs Thrawn in the politics, Luke vs Maul in the force.
George didn't even like Thrawn. It was considered a cool character because that story was the only thing fans had when more Star Wars was needed, and because this guy's thoughts were given to the reader. But he really doesn't belong into the Star Wars universe, which is a film universe. It was in fact considered by George, Howard Roffman and Timothy Zahn himself an alternate universe.
There is 0% chance you would've seen Talon as she appears in the comics on screen, even if Lucas was still in charge. So the whole argument is a complete non-starter.
@@erg1947 anyone who read Legacy comics where she debuted can realize that she won't work as "new Vader". Except George, if he actually read the comics.
Darth Talon if you anyone is at all curious is a Twi'lek Sith that was introduced very VERY late in the Expanded Universe timeline after Luke has passed and so on. In this case, Darth Talon would now be the new lord of the Underworld ever since Maul's passing. Stormtroopers and former imperial officers being scattered across the galaxy making names for themselves in a now lawless world also makes sense. All of the ideas makes sense on paper but the question would be how all of it can be implemented in a trilogy style format. There would be a lot to fill in.
@@LordVPurps It would be kind of unfulfilling for Maul in that case because by that point Kenobi was long gone. All I can think of in that sense is that Talon would be the face of the Underworld while Maul would be in the shadows leading as king. Oh right I actually forgot the idea that George left out in the form of Thrawn's return and those scattered Imperials gather once more under his leadership.
@@VanishEclipse4867 I think Maul reaching his full potential by becoming the true Dark Lord of the Sith would be more fulfilling considering most of his hatred stems from his destiny being destroyed by his loss to Kenobi on Naboo. With Palpatine gone, Maul can finally regain his destiny of becoming the Dark Lord of the Sith. His loss to Kenobi wouldn’t sting as much.
Honestly while it sounds like an improvement over Disney's stuff, the original star wars legends thrawn trilogy still sounds like the best sequel trilogy.
Blurbs of ideas are never enough to know if it's better or worse. It would have been George's, and that's good enough for me. Say what you will about the prequels, (I'm certain George himself faced a ton of pushback on ideas) but at least he is a visionary and whatever he made would have been purely his own. Creative vision is 100% what the committee driven Disney content lacks.
Do we really need to ask if they’d be better? Let’s be real. Yes, I think Maul coming back is beyond stupid, but these are the Disney sequels we’re talking about. They are atrociously made films riddled with problems, internal inconsistencies, lore wreckage, and horribly developed characters
@@hopefullyanonymous3466 Agreed. Maul coming back would not be that great. I was not a fan when they did it in the clone wars either. Star Wars lore was never 100% consistent even prior to the Disney sale, but there was effort on Lucasfilm’s part to preserve what was there. Disney feels like they intentionally avoid creating a canon or expanding the universe altogether just to keep nostalgia cash grab options open. The Disney timeline seems so barren that it’s just not that interesting anymore. The fact that they still seem unable to keep consistent with what little is there is insane. They nuked something really cool that developed over decades with books/comics/games/shows, for the flat uninteresting sequels made to sell theme park tickets. Hardly a worthy trade off.
I love this whole concept Palpatine is dead, Vader is dead, many Crime Leaders are dead, the Empire is in shreds, and Maul has the biggest power vacuum advantage by conquering the criminal underworld. Plus there were talks that Maul had a high ceiling like Palpatine so this helps him even more and cements his position as The Godfather of Crime.
Maul would be no threat to Luke, none whatsoever he isn't Sidious. Luke could dispatch him even easier than Kenobi in the Phantom Menace. Maybe he would be a threat to Jake Skywalker but not Luke. Luke defeated Vader who is much more threatening and imposing than Maul ever was. Also Warlords and Stormtroopers who aren't Thrawn the New Republic would clean those up in a week. I mean the actual New Republic not Disney's failed version.
@@matthewgaudet4064 Maul could grow stronger or would avoid fighting Luke. Thew New Republic would struggle against warlords and terror stormtroopers, just compare it to real life.
I love how he left it open to actually be something, even with the Disney Sequels. Like they could do this and it wouldnt effect the timeline much at all... or part of this.
Eh... it wouldn't effect the timeline no, but it would make more of a downer that the Jedi Luke founds are all killed off, sort of undermining the good ending George had planned.
I like the narrative structure of his original sequel trilogy as it seems cohesive and well planned. However, if his direction from the Prequel trilogy is anything to judge by, than the dialogue and writing choices in his sequel trilogy probably would’ve suffered. I feel that if George Lucas really wanted his ideas to be translated to the big screen, he should’ve served as an executive producer for it while allowing other directors/writers to come in similar to his work on The Clone Wars Tv series that way he’d maintain his vision as that seems to be his strength now days.
Shut up dude. You've just been taught to disrespect Lucas for no reason. If it was Coppola on the directors credit of the prequels and the movies were exactly the same, you would say they are genius.
Bruv the fact no one wanted to work with Lucas to make the movies was the reason why he directed them. He was encouraged by film friends that it’s his babies and so it should be his hand at directing.
@@gr-8166 Yes but that was at the time and even then, he was mostly shopping around for filmmakers he knew personally or were already part of his inner circle. Around 2010’s, there were already a variety of directors making a name for themselves. Plus George Lucas already established a good working relationship with Dave Filoni who’s shown recently that he can direct both animation and live action. So, it could’ve been done but I think he lost the will power to do it as he sold Lucasfilm to Disney.
@@Jackal_El_Lobo34 I’m on the opposite side of that, I find Filoni’s ideas and directing too superficial and not coexisting of the saga. It’s fine to be your own story but to get Ashoka to be in the background of the whole saga is so bizarre of a choice, Lucas was right on ending her arch in 5. More tragic than making a dull Jedi. I feel like Filoni’s contributions in Rebels gave me a horrible impression of his storytelling.
I think I prefer Lucas' version. I do find it lightly amusing that Darth Talon has kind of been Lucas' waifu ever since her inception. He commented on her before and if I remember correctly he really wanted her in the cancelled Darth Maul game.
maul died in episode 1. bringing him back makes death no value anymore and like a cringe disney movie now. cringe. "MAUL LIVED BROO!" bro ur 30 year old grow up
@@Talk-jn7xo nah maul's return was done right. he was too angry to die and kept himself alive on his pure rage and hatred for obi wan. i agree that bringing back every dead character is cringe but mauls comeback was actually very well done. if you havent watched the clone wars i recommend it
@@Chris-wc4ve most cringiest thing ever. turned it from a cool brutal serious death with consequences to "Oh he just came back alive." Lazy and like a 5 year old did it. Ruined the entire franchise.
@@Talk-jn7xo Darth Maul coming back is a textbook example of a "stupid idea executed perfectly". Maul coming back was a terrible idea that made no sense but it was done perfectly and made Maul a beloved character. Also Maul was brought back before Disney bought Lucasfilm. That was not a Disney decision.
if written carefully, it would have made sense. If maul is causing society to plunger into chaos, then Leia is the only one who can fix it since she is in the role of a senator. Maul would cause complete imbalance in the galaxy with gangs freely doing what ever they want. I also heard that leia was going to be trained as a jedi after luke got killed. I'm 100% sure in a weird way, we were going to get Leia vs Maul. Using all her jedi training to defeat Maul. If she is the true chosen one, then she has to be the one to take him down. How it would play out is anyone's guess.
@@dutbud9049 Leia is the daughter of Anakin, AKA: The Chosen One. Doesn't that at least make more sense than someone who descended from Palpatine and took the name for herself?
I don’t like the sequels we got but I perfer the Imperial remnant over the storm trooper rebellion mentioned in George’s sequels, it makes more sense, the empire died becuase of palpatine but that doesn’t mean the rest of the imperials did, we still had many high ranking admirals, officers etc. it would make sense if all of them became overlords and had small remnant cells throughout the galaxy like we see in the Mando-Verse.
It just makes sense to you because that's the idea you are now used to. Forget what you now. Imagine there are only 6 movies. He also said offshoot stormtroopers, not rebellion. Meaning that like in real life, like Alexander, Cesar, Napoleon or Genghis Khan; the empeor died and the subleaders couldn't get to an agreement and decided to keep their own territories instead.
Right... Remember how in Legends the strategic genius that was Thrawn looked at the Imperial infighting and deemed stealing a fleet and cloning a crew for it would be easier than getting those guys to work together?
@@dimebagforever251, that's basically like the Imperial remnants already. A bunch of former lieutenants of the Emperor becoming warlords of their own territory when he bites the dust. George was talking about doing something much more similar to the aftermath of the Iraq War, where the soldiers of the late dictator continue to fight on and join extremist organizations in an attempt to overthrow the new government.
@@occam7382 The imperial remnants are still united under one idea and are still connected. You didn't see Rise of Skywalker and Battlefront 2? All imperial remnants, the first order, the last order, everything was Palpatine's Empire in the shadows. It was that dumb.
i sure love the link in the description you mentioned. i love looking at it and, more importantly, clicking on it. im sure glad you put it in the description like you said.
It’s like a merging of Clone Wars and what would be coming up in the expanded universe of a potential road to Abeloth w/ Heir to the Empire and Talon. Maul has been milked off enough, met a good end in Rebels. Now let’s see how Thrawn’s connection to Dathomir paves way to Talon as well as Baylon finding the power the Mortis Gods were keeping hidden in the beginning of time (Abeloth).
Put it this way... Abeloth is what happens when creatives who are not George Lucas or even Dave Filoni are planning Space-Cthulhu, and are told to link it to Mortis. Shes not part of the original idea of Mortis, but something stapled on by other people.
No Emperor - I definitely approve of that. I like the idea of an opposing under world - a kind of new rebellion made up of remaining imperials. As for Luke - personally, I think it'd be interesting if he had to grapple about whether fully resurrecting the Jedi is actually worth it. Could what happened to his father happen again, but to others? Also, I like the idea of Luke discovering the origin of the Sith/Jedi.
Can the guy that was excempted from some old rules and blatantly broke others happen again by restoring the old rules? Sure, but it's less likely than by not restoring them.
Disney would do well to do a trilogy of movies or an anomated series in thebstyle of The Clone Wars/Bad Batch, which takes place just after Return of the Jedi, which would deal with the remnants of the Empire fighting to keep power, and the Rebellion trying to re-establish the New Republic, along with Luke trying to focus on rebuilding the Jedi Order, bit getting caught up in the mix. I would personally prefer an animated series
@@Klffsj I agree. However we’ve already seen the nightsisters bring back characters from the dead so it’s not a total stretch. Plus seeing Maul in solo even when technically he’s supposed to be dead by that time raises a question or two.
@@vansicklestudios I might be able to see Nightsister Magic coming to play. But, according to Wookiepedia, most of Solo (including its ending) takes place in 10 BBY, before Rebels.
@@Klffsj that makes better sense. For the longest time I thought solo took place a few years before new hope. Would still be interesting to see mauls backstory in between clone wars and rebels
@@patrickr4762 The issue was him being hated by the Star Wars community when the sequels were actually being made. The fanbase doesn't acknowledge their complicity with what happened esepcially the older fans. Disney was very much trying to please them by sidelining Lucas.
@@patrickr4762, he did try to maintain some level of control by making Kathleen Kennedy the president of Lucasfilm, but that was obviously a error in judgment on George's part.
Lucas is a genius with merchandising. By including the 2-3 year old's situation he would strike a chord with new Star Wars fans and by continuing a Leia and Luke plotline he would retain the oldest fanbase, with including Darth Maul he would retain the kids growing up watching the prequels. People would have rallied against him for the 2-3 year olds and other plot elements I'm sure, but in 10-15 years everyone would have made tons of money and been very happy. That said I don't really mind the sequels too much. I still think in 10-15 years they're going to have more of a following than we think and have thought since they came out.
The sequels have lost their audience over the short amount of time we've had, though. How do you see the sequels getting a better reception as time goes on? The prequel trilogy has been better received by time because (a.) the sequel trilogy is so bad that it looks good in comparison, and (b.) the third movie was well received at the time - the *culmination* of the trilogy was liked, which made people re-evaluate the trilogy as a whole. I don't have a bone in this. I think prequels and sequels are trash. Long live the OT and Andor. But I don't see how one can think the sequels will be re-evaluated positively over time.
@@TheWickedWizardOfOz1 Those are fair and valid points. For my thought process: I think a lot of the political social choices in episode 8 will gain more acceptance (replacing relevance) as time goes by because they will more accurately reflect where our society will be in the future. I also think the scene where Yoda tells Luke he should have shared his failures with his padawans will be well received, also - in addition to Rey being shown her parents as actually being herself - and finally - putting Palpatine as the main villain in the final episode will be seen as a smart way to wrap up the "transcending death" storylines which were alluded to in the prequels, but nothing more. I will also say that RotS isn't particularly good. It's better in contrast to episodes 1 and 2 but there is plenty wrong with it, just a short list: Grevious is not compellingly evil to an adult audience, the final lightsaber fight while flashy, goes on too long, the CGI is underwhelming and ends strangely, (aside from the well done cinema from the shocking aftermath showing Anakin literally being disarmed.) Ian McDiarmid was never told he would have to perform the sword fights until day of, and it shows. The Darth Vader suit origin aka Frankenstein scene is particularly off-putting. If anything while RotS is aesthetically more pleasing and darker, episodes I and II contain more lore to discover and contemplate particularly the Qui Gon Jinn, Obi-wan, Anakin dynamic, Boba Fett origins, and Shmi's death being the catalyst for Anakin's path towards .. well, tyranny.
@@TheWickedWizardOfOz1Episode 1 and 2 were kinda bad but they still had some redeeming qualities and Episode 3 saved the prequels as a whole in my opinion (ever since i was a kid Revenge of the Sith is my favorite one alongside Empire Strikes Back and i've never liked that much episode 1 and 2) The sequels kind of shitted on the fans, people hate Rey for being a mary sue character and are bad story wise(again, people HATE the protagonist), the only movie of the sequels that i think that isn't that bad and some people also say that it wasn't that bad is The Force Awakens but the other two's existence will make people keep seeing it as bad as the others for fair reasons. I think that for all the issues in the prequels, they still reasonated with the fans and made sense in the canon since George Lucas for all his weird decisions still cared about it, Disney ruined it due to incompetent writters that don't understand the original material and a bit of unecessary political pandering(ex: "The Force is Female"). Not everything made by Disney was actually bad for the series but at this rate it would've been better if they lost the IP and whoever bought it took off everything they did from the canon and made a new sequel trillogy based on George Lucas' vision or calling him to supervisionise the project, unfortunately that's way too far from reality...
@@occam7382 I believe I heard that there was gonna be a Darth maul game and he wanted her to be in that but she is from a completely different time period than maul but he still wanted those 2 at the same time, AND WE ALL KNOW ABOUT GEORGIE WORGIE AND HIS TWI LEKS AYYYYY-
I think the biggest part that stands out to me is that it's a continuation of where RoTJ left off... and what I was hoping to see in TFA - rebuilding the Republic. Certainly something poetic about the saga ending with the formation of the New Republic.
They should make a show based on this idea sorta like the marvel what if series. I think seeing the original vision of the sequels get a short 1 or 2 season show on Disney plus would be a TOTAL hit.
The best way to handle sequel has already been shown by Jedi Knight games. Its the most superior post-originals product out there. Kyle Katarn and Jaden stories are great.
@@laurelkeeper nothing is Thrawn Trilogy. And tbh, If all 7 novels about Thrawn by Zahn were adapted as show/movie series, it would be infinitely better than both sequel trilogies. Thrawn Trilogy and Hand of the Thrawn are some of the best Post-Endor and Pre-NJO novels, and they are one of THE BEST star Wars novels in general.
Just those few sentences are better than everything about the sequel trilogy combined. Can we atleast get the book versions? I’ve changed my mind, I’m all for a star wars multiverse. Just embrace all alternate realities the way Marvel/DC do. It would at least give George’s story another shot, and would legitimize Legends material, and Visions anime content. Truly expanding on the idea of Star Wars while liberating writers from the restrictive boundaries of not being able to undo canon.
Honestly who's to say he wouldn't have gotten the same crap that he did with the prequels. Take disney out of the equation people would still be grilling him
He did. He’s said all of this before. These are the “ideas” he says he gave to Disney and they threw in the garbage. When The Force Awakens was coming out, EVERYONE was saying: “Good, this sounds terrible and like a repeat of the prequels. Let’s get someone with fresh ideas, i have more faith in what J.J. Abrams can do.” Everyone was saying this in every video they ever did, and if they deny it they’re liars. Those same people love the prequels now after bashing them for a decade. Hindsight is a bitch. Hopefully he gets more involved again, but if he doesn’t, I don’t blame him.
George is a fine idea guy, but he really needs a team of people to reign him in. Empire was the best movie of the franchise and neither the writers nor the director were named George Lucas.
This was my problem with Disney's trilogy. It seemed like nothing changed. After 30 years it seemed like everything that happened in ep 4-6 was for nothing cause they seemed to be in the same place...no development nada.
This is how I would do it. I always felt the biggest missed opportunity was not showing how Luke and Leia ran the order. That was one of the things that I feel would have made it better. This is how I would make it. Rey should have been Anakin reincarnated, explaining why she is so strong, her connection to the skywalkers, why Anakin's saber called out to her, why Anakin's ghost was absent, ect. Both he and Palpatine come back but in different ways, where Palpatine just puts his soul in another clone body, while Anakin, fearing the return of the sith, gives up his immortality and reincarnates into a completely different body. Rey and Finn also fall in love. Never was that big of a fan of Reylo personally as I always saw them having more of a brother/sister relationship than a romantic one. Rey would also actually have to train as well. xD Instead of just learning stuff that even the chosen one had to train for. She'd still be gifted but I felt she learned stuff too easily. You also could have not had starkiller base. Don't even mention planet destroyers until the final movie, where they release a couple dozen star destroyers but they destroy well known planets like, Dantooine, Hoth, ect. Rey joins with Luke's new order and after Luke sacrifices himself to prevent Palpatine from killing them, 4 main Jedi go to Exegol to defeat the emperor. Rey, a scavenger and former slave who freed herself and the reincarnation of the chosen one. Finn, a storm trooper that was part of an experiment to artificially create force sensitive storm troopers. Ben, formerly known as Kylo and a former knight of ren, and Poe, a former Jedi from Luke's order and became a bounty hunter who uses the force. Poe, Finn, Rey and Ben join together to fight hoards of sith marauders and sith troopers and finally face the emperor. Leia unites the warring factions that were manipulated by the sith as well as the knights of ren and snoke and his loyalists. There are light sided, dark sided and even gray sided orders shown here, and they all have their own beliefs and agenda.Rey technically fulfills the prophecy since she is the reincarnation of the chosen one and she destroys Palpatine once and for all. Her being the reincarnation of the chosen one would really make the sequel trilogy feel like it's part of the Skywalker Saga. Think about it. Prequels showed Anakin's life as a Jedi, then the originals showed his life as a Sith and with the sequel trilogy, it would show the reincarnation of Anakin: Rey, living a new life and a new adventure. Now be honest, tell me what you think. I personally think something like this would have made the sequels amazing.
0:24 So That scene with Maul from Solo movie is the closest thing that Disney able to make happen. While Maul lost his crime empire off screen. Sigh… Dang it Disney.
Anything was better than the Disney sequels. They don’t even make sense. Never give jj abrams or rian Johnson the keys to any existing franchises ever again.
Anything that was overseen by an artist and not a corporation would've been better than the Disney Trilogy. I stand that if RJ got all 3 movies, we would've had a much better sequel trilogy on our hands, though still within Disney's creative ability. As much as I dislike the story of TLJ, it was the only one that had flavor and its own vibe.
He returns in the clone wars series which is WAY better than the prequel trilogy. Basically he ran on pure hatred on a garbage planet and became half mech spider.
"50 or the 100 [jedi] are left" And people blame disney that gave us like ten, most of which have died by ANH. Still, I would like to see his take on sequels, so we can take all 3 versions and make them into a good story.
@@Jumbleman5 And how many of those would stand a chance against Vader, much less Sidious? Or were doing Jedi things for that matter? Attachment is forbidden, remember, so if one needs to not be a Jedi in the galaxy, that's what they'll do.
@@mpnuorva Any one of them could have if it was written to be so. The story is fiction. It worked best if Luke was the last hope. It's ridiculous that older, more experience, more extensively trained jedi couldn't have used the force to find each other and at least joined the rebels as well.
@@Jumbleman5 In ESB yoda legit says Luke isn't their only hope. Vader and palpatine had the force too and its established the darkside was messing with the order's connection to the force Since AOTC
@@loganwendigo937 That was only meant to be a reference to Leia. The dark side messing with the order's connection to the force was only referring to their ability to see the future and detect that palpatine had abilities. So no, neither of those excuses work.
He’s said this. But he also had plans about his intent to have the skywalker grandchildren as young adults in the movies. And there was a girl named Kira. And there was stuff about getting in a microbiotic world and the origins of the force/whills of the force etc. He had a few ideas clearly and probably would’ve morphed it together somehow
maul died in episode 1. bringing him back makes death no value anymore and like a cringe disney movie now. cringe. "MAUL LIVED BROO!" bro ur 30 year old grow up
Why do you insist on narrowing your horizons instead of broadening them to the fullest you can? Furthermore, the idea of Maul surviving Episode 1 predates the Clone Wars series. One early draft of ROTS had General Grievous actually being Maul rebuilt as a cyborg (glad they didn't do this, actually. It's better that they are different people), and there was a one-off comic from 2005 called "Old Wounds" that had Maul showing up to the Lars family homestead for his rematch with Kenobi. I am curious though. How exactly did it "ruin the films"?
I actually really like the idea of the remaining imperials basically becoming a rebellion against the New Republic. It would sort of be a parallel back to the Separatists being the underdogs who were just fighting for their freedom from the Republic. It would have been cool to see the sides switch back and forth in each trilogy instead of just getting an exact copy of the Empire that somehow took over again out of nowhere.
Chosen One in this context means something very different from what you think it means. Anakin is still the only Chosen One in that he destroyed the Sith and brought balance to the Force, but Leia is the Chosen One in that she's the person who will lead the Republic into a new golden age.
You can kind of see this in Mando and then Ahsoka, where the imperial remnant is in league with the criminal underworld. Not exactly 1-1, but I can see it
It’s kind of crazy how he had a whole script, everything planned out, did all of the heavy lifting, and Disney was like “nope, we’d rather remake a new hope”
@@Munedawg I read it in 1980 the first time, and have a first edition hardcover (a gift from my parents for taking care of the family when they were all sick and I was not) that I have read several times. However, you need to read the title of THIS video which is about the Sequels. This video that you replied to my comment on is called "George Lucas shows how he'd do the Sequel Trilogy". Say it with me: Sequel Trilogy.
It is absolutely better. Imagine George was lead story writer and with GOOD writers to do the screenplay. Best of both worlds. George handling all the nuance of story and character motivations. And writers that avoid cheesy lines.
At least George would've gotten to tell his story the way he wanted to tell it. Remember, these films were never for us, they were for him. We're just leasing them from him for $10 at a time (that's an actual quote from George, by the way).
@@morsecode980 The only people who hate Disney Star Wars are racists, nazis, bigots, women haters, transphobes, conversatives, trump supporters. Basically our enemies. if you see someone hating on Disney just know they are the worst people on the planet and deserve prison for their political beliefs. They out themsevles. Keep tabs on them
I like that Disney told a generational story, even if some of the twists weren't quite what we'd have hoped for. Luke and Leia solving another Imperial threat while the Galaxy is more or less stabilizing feels more like something for the books.
The best part about it is that it is a fresh environment compared to the OT and the prequels. The OT was about the good guys being a small group of rebels against a massive and established empire. The prequels was about two waring sides of equal military might only for both the republic and separatis to be played by Palpatine. This would have given us a republic trying to get back on its feet whilst facing off against the criminal underworld and small remnants of the empire.
Needs a bit of work but it has potential. I like the idea of Maul being the new big bad and training a new Sith but that idea was done already in the shows where Maul was eventually killed by Obi-Wan. So, maybe instead of Maul it could have the Night Sisters as the new villains that way the prophecy of Anakin destroying the Sith remains intact and we just face a new threat. I would also take the idea of having a Storm Trooper turned Rebel hero and revealed to be a Force User as that's honestly a great idea just wasted. On a side note since Lucas always intended the hero of the next trilogy to be a girl I would also change said Storm Trooper to a girl and use Lucas' original name for Rey which was Kira and just cast John Boyega as Kyle Katarn and give him his own spin-off series. Makes better use of Boyega and he gets to be cast as fan favorite Kyle who, quite frankly, he's a perfect fit for. And yes before, anyone asks, Kira would still be black because I see no reason to change the character's race. Onto Lucas' other ideas I LOVE his take on Leia and Luke, Leia becoming Supreme Chancellor of the New Republic? HELL YES!!! Great way to end her character arc, she started out as a Princess who was also a Rebel Fighter and became leader of the New Order. Way better upgrade then General who does nothing. And Luke actually training a new generation of Jedi. Well I can see why that was tossed aside, it actually fit with his character arc from the last film and why do that when we can just retread his arc from Return of the Jedi. I also think want to include a Thrawn type character and imply that the events of the Extended Universe mostly happened the way it did with a few key differences. Chewie is alive, Mara is alive, Han and Leia's son didn't fall to the Dark Side but died heroically and they only had twins and we also have Luke and Mara's son Ben. So, yeah, needs a bit of work but honestly sounds a lot better then Disney just lazily retreading the original Trilogy. I would say don't have Lucas write the script just get people who could help him realize his vision but still have him be involved. Personally I would ND Stevenson to write the script and Steven Spielberg direct the first film at least and the rest if he would be interested.
Sounds like a good idea in concept, but like every Star Wars idea, it comes down to execution. On paper I can say what we had as a storyline for the sequels could’ve worked, But the execution sucked ass. Same here. It’s interesting, I’d be down to see the vision, But I’m not going to automatically praise it for being anything more than an idea here
The problem with the sequels imo is rehashing of Rebels vs Empire. The idea and concept alone is what started them off in a bad place. At least this would’ve tried to be something new unlike TFA
@@loganwendigo937 that’s fair but even that could’ve been spun into something interesting. Ashoka touched up on it to, like what if this is all a cycle that the force is putting the galaxy through, trying to tell everyone something about balance. Idk that could’ve been a part to explore in the Last Jedi to answer why Force Awakens is the way it is
@@JakeTylenol, the problem here is that what George wanted to do wasn't to simply do "Rebels vs Empire" again, it was to restore the Republic and mark the beginning of a new golden age. That was how the saga was supposed to end.
Making Maul the villain would be a bad idea. Dude was supposed to be dead ages ago. Bringing him back in TCW was already fanfiction-level writing, and saying he survived past the Galactic Civil War would have been would have just been silly. Still a better idea that what Disney did with it though. I would have loved to see Darth Talon.
Plus if he's a Sith, doesn't that go against the prophecy, seeing how Anakin destroyed the Sith Order, both himself and Sidious? But I guess maybe it wouldn't count anymore and Maul is just a dark side user and not an official Sith anymore, just like Ahsoka is no longer an actual Jedi.
What's even more wild is George had something like this planned since the 80s, Mark gave an interview where George told him he'd play Luke passing the torch to someone new around the year 2011 And we'll probably never see the full story of Star Wars the way George intended
I don't trust Lucas or Disney at this point. Both have sold out. The ones who helped in the EU made really good stories. Not all of them were perfect, but they were way better than what George had planned or what Disney has done.
Until the Yuuzhan Vong, legends suffered the same problem Disney canon suffers from. Too reliant on imperials as main enemies. It was better than current canon but something new like George imaged would be best
@@loganwendigo937 Of course, this also doesn't have to be sequels to the trilogies. EU talked about a whole bunch of things in the past as well as the future. Knights of the Old Republic has potential.
We only need 1-6 that’s all lol. I know there are eu novels comics and games after rotj that are really good that I enjoy but 1-6 is a complete story. Bringing maul back and having Leia be the chosen one is stupid.
Yeah, this is not a good plan. He clearly came up with it after the disney sale, and this whole storyline requires making the movies in the late 80s/early 90s. He would have had to come up with a plan that facilitated decades of time passing.
Honestly that sounds perfect. It would bring back an old foe from the prequels. It would give Luke and Leia the screen time they deserve. And it would setup a future trilogy with new characters
Collection of George's comments on how he'd do the Sequel Trilogy:
www.reddit.com/r/MawInstallation/comments/qvlhyg/collection_of_research_on_lucas_sequel_plans/
I like the narrative structure of his original sequel trilogy as it seems cohesive and well planned.
However, if his direction from the Prequel trilogy is anything to judge by, than the dialogue and writing choices in his sequel trilogy probably would’ve suffered.
I feel that if George Lucas really wanted ideas to be translated to the big screen, he should’ve served as an executive producer for it while allowing other directors/writers to come in similar to his work on The Clone Wars Tv series that way he’d maintain his vision as that seems to be his strength now days.
Let’s all pretend that the original cast did not age 30+ years. Let’s cast a 60 something year old Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher as young adults in their early 20s. Yeah, let’s do that.
Or, we can recast the entire original crew with new actors and run with the story Lucas had described. Yeah, let’s do that!
Disney chose to keep the original actors and tell a different story that takes place some 30+ years following ROTJ.
It pretty much sounds like what have gotten in the TV shows so far minus the endings.
That first sentence mate, you're trolling yeah? It's the opposite of planned and cohesive @@Jackal_El_Lobo34
Hey, I recognize that post!
His version sounds more connected with the rest of the series and makes a lot of sense. And it sounds pretty interesting
If only he owned it the franchise for decades
@@jameshurcombe2049 If only he wasn't old and focusing on his family.
It does. But for the timeframe to sync up with the actors involved it would have had to been made way earlier to make sense.
@@shaunw9092there’s a thing called recasting actors…
This also sounds like something he and filoni can both work together to create
That plot synopsis makes a hell of a lot more sense than what Disney pushed out. AND it's not a rehash of old material.
Exactly, taking things in a new and different direction. Darth Maul surviving is a bit odd, though. I mean, he was cut in half.
@@plasmaarmelund Yeah, if they wanted him just introduce his brother who had been working behind the scenes.
@@plasmaarmelund He was brought back in The Clone Wars.
@@plasmaarmelund That wasn't the last we've seen of him, if you watched The Clone Wars. .. not gonna fully spoil it though, in case you haven;t watched it.🤫
That was how it went in the novels.
Leia becoming Chancellor would have been an amazing send off for Carrie Fisher and it would completed Padme's arc since she was considered to be the next Chancellor during the Clone Wars. Along with Luke rebuilding the Jedi Order also basically would have been the Skywalker's way of repaying the galaxy back for their father's sins. Sad that this will never happen.
It happens. Read Thrawn Trilogy
@@vezolf4313 I'm thinking about getting them. Just curious, do I need to know anything else from the EU or will knowledge from the saga be enough to jump into the series?
@@SuperSevchenko thrawn trilogy start just after return of the jedi ☺ about 5 years later is direct continuation
@@SuperSevchenko Thrawn is a great jumping-in point to the various EU book series since it’s basically the first. I believe there a full timeline of all the books that have the read order/release order listed that you can follow if you want to really dig in
@@NeoCreo1 appreciate it. Should be refreshing to see some material outside of the Disney stuff.
That sounds like a genuine continuation of the universe, rather than recycling what was already done.
It is recycling. It takes Maul, who according to the damn script of TPM is dead, and resurrects him. It takes Darth Talon who just CANT be there at the moment, aince she was born century later, but George just puts her there. And there is things that already were done by other writers, becoming of New Jedi Order, Leia becoming Chancellor AND jedi
@@mrzirak792 I'm talking in terms of base Star Wars, not EU. A lot of fans wanted the EU to be introduced into canon media.
While you are right about Maul being "recycled", he was already present in the Clone Wars, then Disney killed him off in Rebels.
On the other hand, in terms of actual recycling, we have The Force Awakens, which is almost beat for beat a rehash of A New Hope, just with new names that were never mentioned before. Then we end with the surprise return of the main villain from all the previous movies and his defeat through a team-up of the main protagonist with a dark side user turned good.
That's what I meant with recycling. In George's version they wouldn't be fighting another unified empire, but a crime syndicate spread across all worlds. They'd be trying to rebuild instead of going into another war to defend whatever is there and so on.
@@mrzirak792 Yeah you're right, best not to contradict the extended universe lore... oh wait...
@@spacedaniel492 you could replace EU with movies and Disney canon and "oh wait" would have as much sense as it did before. Even 6 mainline movies contradict each other, not to mention TCW, Disney sequels and shows and etc.
That's the beauty of the Star Wars fandom. If they do something new, nobody watches (Andor). If they don't, everyone complains it's not new. Repeat et infinitum.
THIS IS CANON TO ME NOW
same
Since I do actually like rebels, I’d probably replace maul with someone else, maybe even keep snoke. Snoke was a cool character
@@borgthepigYeah replace maul with snoke because he would fill that role nicely and make Ben, Luke Skywalker's apprentice
He wasn't a character, he was a piece of cardboard that looked like a character. No depth. No arc. No origin. A nothing.@@borgthepig
G Canon overrides all other canon. Those were the rules.
Sounds pretty cool. If a Galactic Empire fell apart, there would be a lot of chaos in the galaxy. System-wide economies would collapse, civil wars would break out, and the New Republic/Jedi would likely struggle to maintain order. I could definitely see ex-Imperial warlords and shady crime bosses thriving in that scenario. Sounds a lot like what I had hoped the Mandalorian would focus on.
The Mandalorian and Ahsoka sadly will only focus on trying to connect to the sequels to make the sequels better instead of ignoring that crap and focusing on the rebuilding of the Jedi and the New Republic.
@@Ivan_KVI would generally disagree with that. Both shows focus a lot more on story lines not heavily connected to the sequel trilogy. The big thing connecting them to the sequel trilogy is building up Project Necromancer, but honestly.. that's a story element taken from Legends; so, I would almost consider that to do more with Thrawn than with the sequel trilogy.
...and then Tarkin's ex pulls a stunt from 007: Goldfinger because Kevin J Anderson wanted a big threat.
*What Mandalorian would’ve focused on with out Disney & Kathleen Hateseverybody
Sry I just had to fix that one
Check out Thrawn Trilogy by Timothy Zhan you will love it
Surprise surprise when a person has a cohesive idea for a trilogy it’s much more compelling than when 50 Disney executives try and engineer a trilogy to be as safe as possible.
As usual, corporate greed is antithetical to art.
You know you're talking about the guy who SOLD the property to Disney for 4 BILLION dollars, right? What the hell are you talking about.
@@clarkmichaels822 Exactly. George can criticize the sequels or simply talk about his vision for it all he wants but at the end of the day he took 4 billion$ for his baby. hah. And George Lucas botched much of the prequels, IMO. Plus, G.L. should have made his sequels instead of the prequels. Maybe then Harrison Ford might have slapped some sense into him. "No I'm not going to partner with your green screen frog character for half the movie. Make him something else, put someone in a suit and voice him... differently."
Disney made some mistakes too but I think the sequels turned out better than the prequels. Yes there are some wacky parts and the 3 movies clash with each other but I'm a fan of how they were done, acting and fx wise.
@@clarkmichaels822, which he did so that he could focus on spending time with his family. Also, George donated that $4 billion to charity, so what the hell are you talking about?
@@clarkmichaels822 and look at the quality of George Lucas’s most recent work. Strange magic is one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen, and dial of destiny is a damn rough movie.
My point wasn’t that George is amazing, more that when a person is telling a story devoid of corporate fiscal factors, such as what we see in the clip, that story is significantly better.
@@vincelupo8419 the problem with George Lucas is that after the OT nobody could tell him now. The problem with Disney is that the sequel trilogy wasn’t given a cohesive creative voice, and instead was much more beholden to executives and shareholders. I personally prefer much of Disney Star Wars to Lucas’s Star Wars, especially the shows and other spin offs, but my main issue resides with the broader corporate model that is making *all* art significantly worse
I like the general idea of a sequel trilogy sort of being a reverse prequel trilogy. It would allow for a proper resolution to the story as well as prop up the original trilogy as the center and most important part. It would allow the skywalker family to bring everything back to normal and also continue the legacys of their parents.
Wow. What is, "reverse prequel trilogy"?! That sounds amazing, lol. In all honesty I think that that was what I always understood was supposed to happen.
@@alexkx8599 the prequel trilogy shows us how the republic turns into the empire and how the jedi order turns into a handful of lone jedi. My view would be a bit of how the empire turns back into a republic and how lone jedi rebuild the order. Both would point toward the original trilogy. Return of the jedi is a great ending for that trilogy but it doesn't show us how they rebuild.
it’s like poetry, they rhyme
@@CarlFlapjack, in other words:
The Prequel Trilogy is the fall of the Old Republic and the rise of the Empire.
The Original Trilogy is the fall of the Empire.
The Sequel Trilogy is the rise of the New Republic.
@@squashgaming9279 Hopefully it works.
I wish he never sold Star Wars that version of the sequels sounds like a dream.
It would have probably ended up the same way as the prequels. Weird writing and the fans would complain more.
@@anti1training but I’m pretty sure over the years people would grow to appreciate them, unlike these sequels which are an absolute dumpster fire.
@@anti1trainingThat sounds about right.
@@TheGamerFriends The sequels have always been appreciated and continue to be appreciated, because most fans aren't hating on it and it created new fans. Yes the writing isn't great, but they're still enjoyable movies individually. They're just not a good Star Wars franchise.
@@anti1training there is almost nothing to appreciate so i suspect you're talking out your a$$
also that "weird writing" comes from a style that probably predates you by about 50 years from the 1930s and 1940s and that was the case for every star wars movie he wrote
I would give anything for some kind of book that shows Lucas’ sequel story treatments. I really miss his drive to do new and exciting things with the galaxy. He would’ve given us an era just as unique as the clone wars, I know it
Look at the terrible prequels and then read your dumb comment.
They definitely exist, Disney got all of his material with the buyout. Hopefully they get leaked sooner or later
100%
I heard episode 8 is the closest to his vision which tracks. People hated on the prequels just as bad as 8.
Only because of Hermit Old man Luke. That’s the one thing Rian got from Lucas’ story treatments but even he said there wasn’t much there so he had to explain it.
Lucas envisioned a much more appropriate master & student training between Old man Luke and his Proto-version of Rey
This actually builds on the old characters, not trying to make a fan service fest milking what was already done.
I'd definitely watch that version happily instead of what we got 💯
Absolutely. It's amazing that we're 2/2 for other people missing such an obvious continuation to the story.
There is an end in mind here. The establishment of the Jedi Order and the recreation of the Republic. The Sequel Trilogy never had a plan, and, therefore couldn't be cohesive and naturally build toward a conclusion.
My thinking is... you can sorta tell Last Jedi had ideas in mind, plot threads that could've been picked up, like Snoke, a potential thing between Rey and Ren (no... that- that thing they did in RoS doesn't count, not when he drops dead a second later), and Broom Boy being force sensitive. The problem is after the severe backlash to Last Jedi and Disney's desperate attempt to interest the fans, ALL plans were thrown out the window, thus, RoS was born in a dumpster with the director from the first film, who essentially recycled old material.
I know a lot of people don't like hearing this but Abrams was the worst. At least Johnson had different ideas and tackled them. Abrams stayed safe by rehashing A New Hope in TFA, and then recycling Palpatine in RoS. He had no originality. And so, he had no "plan" or endpoint in mind.
@@adnanbey4871 I know I'm in the minority, but I like his Star Trek films, so what in the hell happened when he did the SW sequels? They're not faithful to the story overall, and if they stand, then the Skywalkers ultimately failed in everything they did (unforgivable!).
@@Himmiefan That's a big issue with the films. One of many anyway. The Skywalkers not only failed but their line is wiped out. Gone while they tried to shoehorn Rey into the family by name only.
Kathleen Kennedy and her pathetic ideals of the real world entering the sci-fi world. Let’s keep it real, the woke agenda does not need to impede so much in the Star Wars universe that it destroys all fabric of what George Lucas created.
JJ drafted an outline for the trilogy but Rian threw it out.
Love it. Only extra thing i'd do to spice things up is to use Thrawn commanding the imperial remanscents.
Leia vs Thrawn in the politics, Luke vs Maul in the force.
George didn't even like Thrawn. It was considered a cool character because that story was the only thing fans had when more Star Wars was needed, and because this guy's thoughts were given to the reader. But he really doesn't belong into the Star Wars universe, which is a film universe. It was in fact considered by George, Howard Roffman and Timothy Zahn himself an alternate universe.
This is supposed to be what happens after the Empire is defeated, remember?
@@mpnuorva Yup. I imagine Thrawn kinda like they did in the Ashoka series, but also using politics to try to overthrow Leia in the senate
@@dimebagforever251, did George ever say anything specific on his opinion of Thrawn?
Basically, its that Maul video game that was never finished.
We all know he loves darth talon. Wouldn't have been short of appearances
There is 0% chance you would've seen Talon as she appears in the comics on screen, even if Lucas was still in charge. So the whole argument is a complete non-starter.
Im glad these sequels werent made tbh. Even if Talon would be included, she would be Talon only in name
Would fans accept her as the new Vader though?
@@erg1947 anyone who read Legacy comics where she debuted can realize that she won't work as "new Vader". Except George, if he actually read the comics.
@@mrzirak792why would he, he’d retcon it because it’s his? For EU fans they be mad. I don’t blame them but it is George’s.
Darth Talon if you anyone is at all curious is a Twi'lek Sith that was introduced very VERY late in the Expanded Universe timeline after Luke has passed and so on.
In this case, Darth Talon would now be the new lord of the Underworld ever since Maul's passing. Stormtroopers and former imperial officers being scattered across the galaxy making names for themselves in a now lawless world also makes sense. All of the ideas makes sense on paper but the question would be how all of it can be implemented in a trilogy style format. There would be a lot to fill in.
Maul wouldn’t be dead in this trilogy
@@LordVPurps It would be kind of unfulfilling for Maul in that case because by that point Kenobi was long gone. All I can think of in that sense is that Talon would be the face of the Underworld while Maul would be in the shadows leading as king.
Oh right I actually forgot the idea that George left out in the form of Thrawn's return and those scattered Imperials gather once more under his leadership.
@@VanishEclipse4867 I think Maul reaching his full potential by becoming the true Dark Lord of the Sith would be more fulfilling considering most of his hatred stems from his destiny being destroyed by his loss to Kenobi on Naboo. With Palpatine gone, Maul can finally regain his destiny of becoming the Dark Lord of the Sith. His loss to Kenobi wouldn’t sting as much.
Ah yes, the prophecy told us the Chosen One would be....supreme chancellor. To bring balance to the force with politics and votes. Ridiculous.
Legacy Darth Talon > Sequels Darth Talon
I love how you asked "is it better, or worse". I didn't know things could be worse 😂
Oh that's beautiful, marvelous. I'd bet there won't be a line like: "somehow palatine returns" or "they fly now?"
Honestly while it sounds like an improvement over Disney's stuff, the original star wars legends thrawn trilogy still sounds like the best sequel trilogy.
Truly spoken.
100% 👍, I'd been saying that since before Disney bought Star Wars!
Thrawn could’ve been worked into these films easily as well, getting the best of both worlds
I'd hope that the 'Stormtrooper rebellion' would turn out to be Thrawn and other sensible Imperials.
Thrawn Trilogy is great. Lucas should make movies
Blurbs of ideas are never enough to know if it's better or worse. It would have been George's, and that's good enough for me. Say what you will about the prequels, (I'm certain George himself faced a ton of pushback on ideas) but at least he is a visionary and whatever he made would have been purely his own. Creative vision is 100% what the committee driven Disney content lacks.
I think we as a society have earned the right not to hear what some rich boomer has to say about shit he sold for fat stacks of cash.
Do we really need to ask if they’d be better? Let’s be real. Yes, I think Maul coming back is beyond stupid, but these are the Disney sequels we’re talking about. They are atrociously made films riddled with problems, internal inconsistencies, lore wreckage, and horribly developed characters
@@hopefullyanonymous3466 Agreed. Maul coming back would not be that great. I was not a fan when they did it in the clone wars either. Star Wars lore was never 100% consistent even prior to the Disney sale, but there was effort on Lucasfilm’s part to preserve what was there. Disney feels like they intentionally avoid creating a canon or expanding the universe altogether just to keep nostalgia cash grab options open. The Disney timeline seems so barren that it’s just not that interesting anymore. The fact that they still seem unable to keep consistent with what little is there is insane. They nuked something really cool that developed over decades with books/comics/games/shows, for the flat uninteresting sequels made to sell theme park tickets. Hardly a worthy trade off.
I love this whole concept
Palpatine is dead, Vader is dead, many Crime Leaders are dead, the Empire is in shreds, and Maul has the biggest power vacuum advantage by conquering the criminal underworld.
Plus there were talks that Maul had a high ceiling like Palpatine so this helps him even more and cements his position as The Godfather of Crime.
Huh?! With the ceiling...
Wish we can get this version somehow...
Maul would be no threat to Luke, none whatsoever he isn't Sidious. Luke could dispatch him even easier than Kenobi in the Phantom Menace. Maybe he would be a threat to Jake Skywalker but not Luke. Luke defeated Vader who is much more threatening and imposing than Maul ever was. Also Warlords and Stormtroopers who aren't Thrawn the New Republic would clean those up in a week. I mean the actual New Republic not Disney's failed version.
@@matthewgaudet4064 Maul could grow stronger or would avoid fighting Luke. Thew New Republic would struggle against warlords and terror stormtroopers, just compare it to real life.
@@karlhans6678 , only in a divided galaxy and if they were like the New Empire and were oppressors.
It definitely original, which is what I appreciate with Lucas’s Star Wars
PLEASE LETS THIS STILL HAPPEN!
You can always read the novels. That is how it goes more or less.
tell that to carrie fisher...
I love how he left it open to actually be something, even with the Disney Sequels.
Like they could do this and it wouldnt effect the timeline much at all... or part of this.
Eh... it wouldn't effect the timeline no, but it would make more of a downer that the Jedi Luke founds are all killed off, sort of undermining the good ending George had planned.
I like the narrative structure of his original sequel trilogy as it seems cohesive and well planned.
However, if his direction from the Prequel trilogy is anything to judge by, than the dialogue and writing choices in his sequel trilogy probably would’ve suffered.
I feel that if George Lucas really wanted his ideas to be translated to the big screen, he should’ve served as an executive producer for it while allowing other directors/writers to come in similar to his work on The Clone Wars Tv series that way he’d maintain his vision as that seems to be his strength now days.
stilted dialogue or not ... still would've been better than the sequels we got.
Shut up dude. You've just been taught to disrespect Lucas for no reason. If it was Coppola on the directors credit of the prequels and the movies were exactly the same, you would say they are genius.
Bruv the fact no one wanted to work with Lucas to make the movies was the reason why he directed them. He was encouraged by film friends that it’s his babies and so it should be his hand at directing.
@@gr-8166 Yes but that was at the time and even then, he was mostly shopping around for filmmakers he knew personally or were already part of his inner circle. Around 2010’s, there were already a variety of directors making a name for themselves.
Plus George Lucas already established a good working relationship with Dave Filoni who’s shown recently that he can direct both animation and live action. So, it could’ve been done but I think he lost the will power to do it as he sold Lucasfilm to Disney.
@@Jackal_El_Lobo34 I’m on the opposite side of that, I find Filoni’s ideas and directing too superficial and not coexisting of the saga. It’s fine to be your own story but to get Ashoka to be in the background of the whole saga is so bizarre of a choice, Lucas was right on ending her arch in 5. More tragic than making a dull Jedi. I feel like Filoni’s contributions in Rebels gave me a horrible impression of his storytelling.
I think I prefer Lucas' version. I do find it lightly amusing that Darth Talon has kind of been Lucas' waifu ever since her inception. He commented on her before and if I remember correctly he really wanted her in the cancelled Darth Maul game.
maul died in episode 1. bringing him back makes death no value anymore and like a cringe disney movie now. cringe. "MAUL LIVED BROO!"
bro ur 30 year old grow up
@@Talk-jn7xo nah maul's return was done right. he was too angry to die and kept himself alive on his pure rage and hatred for obi wan. i agree that bringing back every dead character is cringe but mauls comeback was actually very well done. if you havent watched the clone wars i recommend it
@@Chris-wc4ve most cringiest thing ever. turned it from a cool brutal serious death with consequences to "Oh he just came back alive."
Lazy and like a 5 year old did it. Ruined the entire franchise.
@@Talk-jn7xo Darth Maul coming back is a textbook example of a "stupid idea executed perfectly". Maul coming back was a terrible idea that made no sense but it was done perfectly and made Maul a beloved character. Also Maul was brought back before Disney bought Lucasfilm. That was not a Disney decision.
@@Talk-jn7xochudiest SW fan award won. Where can I mail your box of poop?
I heard Leia would’ve been the chosen one in this all along. I’m not sure that would have been well received.
At least that makes hellva a lot more sense than Rey Skywalker.
@@DoomguyIsGrinningAtYou. Makes a lot less sense than Anakin Skywalker.
Unfortunately Kerri Fisher is gone.
if written carefully, it would have made sense. If maul is causing society to plunger into chaos, then Leia is the only one who can fix it since she is in the role of a senator. Maul would cause complete imbalance in the galaxy with gangs freely doing what ever they want. I also heard that leia was going to be trained as a jedi after luke got killed. I'm 100% sure in a weird way, we were going to get Leia vs Maul. Using all her jedi training to defeat Maul. If she is the true chosen one, then she has to be the one to take him down. How it would play out is anyone's guess.
@@dutbud9049 Leia is the daughter of Anakin, AKA: The Chosen One. Doesn't that at least make more sense than someone who descended from Palpatine and took the name for herself?
Sounds so much better
I don’t like the sequels we got but I perfer the Imperial remnant over the storm trooper rebellion mentioned in George’s sequels, it makes more sense, the empire died becuase of palpatine but that doesn’t mean the rest of the imperials did, we still had many high ranking admirals, officers etc. it would make sense if all of them became overlords and had small remnant cells throughout the galaxy like we see in the Mando-Verse.
It just makes sense to you because that's the idea you are now used to. Forget what you now. Imagine there are only 6 movies. He also said offshoot stormtroopers, not rebellion. Meaning that like in real life, like Alexander, Cesar, Napoleon or Genghis Khan; the empeor died and the subleaders couldn't get to an agreement and decided to keep their own territories instead.
Well it’s not a rebellion anymore when you’re trying to get a political party to become majority rule…
Right... Remember how in Legends the strategic genius that was Thrawn looked at the Imperial infighting and deemed stealing a fleet and cloning a crew for it would be easier than getting those guys to work together?
@@dimebagforever251, that's basically like the Imperial remnants already. A bunch of former lieutenants of the Emperor becoming warlords of their own territory when he bites the dust.
George was talking about doing something much more similar to the aftermath of the Iraq War, where the soldiers of the late dictator continue to fight on and join extremist organizations in an attempt to overthrow the new government.
@@occam7382 The imperial remnants are still united under one idea and are still connected. You didn't see Rise of Skywalker and Battlefront 2? All imperial remnants, the first order, the last order, everything was Palpatine's Empire in the shadows. It was that dumb.
i sure love the link in the description you mentioned. i love looking at it and, more importantly, clicking on it. im sure glad you put it in the description like you said.
It’s like a merging of Clone Wars and what would be coming up in the expanded universe of a potential road to Abeloth w/ Heir to the Empire and Talon. Maul has been milked off enough, met a good end in Rebels. Now let’s see how Thrawn’s connection to Dathomir paves way to Talon as well as Baylon finding the power the Mortis Gods were keeping hidden in the beginning of time (Abeloth).
That's trash.
Put it this way... Abeloth is what happens when creatives who are not George Lucas or even Dave Filoni are planning Space-Cthulhu, and are told to link it to Mortis. Shes not part of the original idea of Mortis, but something stapled on by other people.
No Emperor - I definitely approve of that. I like the idea of an opposing under world - a kind of new rebellion made up of remaining imperials. As for Luke - personally, I think it'd be interesting if he had to grapple about whether fully resurrecting the Jedi is actually worth it. Could what happened to his father happen again, but to others? Also, I like the idea of Luke discovering the origin of the Sith/Jedi.
Can the guy that was excempted from some old rules and blatantly broke others happen again by restoring the old rules? Sure, but it's less likely than by not restoring them.
Disney would do well to do a trilogy of movies or an anomated series in thebstyle of The Clone Wars/Bad Batch, which takes place just after Return of the Jedi, which would deal with the remnants of the Empire fighting to keep power, and the Rebellion trying to re-establish the New Republic, along with Luke trying to focus on rebuilding the Jedi Order, bit getting caught up in the mix.
I would personally prefer an animated series
That line of story makes more sense that anything Disney pushed out 😂😂
I feel like they’re doing this with filonis mandoverse and will end similar while also leaving room to explain the Rey trilogy
Maul being dead might be a bit of a problem with that direction.
@@Klffsj I agree. However we’ve already seen the nightsisters bring back characters from the dead so it’s not a total stretch. Plus seeing Maul in solo even when technically he’s supposed to be dead by that time raises a question or two.
@@vansicklestudios I might be able to see Nightsister Magic coming to play. But, according to Wookiepedia, most of Solo (including its ending) takes place in 10 BBY, before Rebels.
@@Klffsj that makes better sense. For the longest time I thought solo took place a few years before new hope. Would still be interesting to see mauls backstory in between clone wars and rebels
He had to sell. He thought only of his people. By selling on his terms, retaining an interest, his personal were garenteed
Agree with the selling. But I just wished he had some clause where he still had some influence with the story, just in case they mess it up.
@@patrickr4762 The issue was him being hated by the Star Wars community when the sequels were actually being made. The fanbase doesn't acknowledge their complicity with what happened esepcially the older fans. Disney was very much trying to please them by sidelining Lucas.
@@patrickr4762, he did try to maintain some level of control by making Kathleen Kennedy the president of Lucasfilm, but that was obviously a error in judgment on George's part.
A lot of people seem to forget the age of the actors.
This sounds soooo much better, than what we got 😩
Lucas is a genius with merchandising. By including the 2-3 year old's situation he would strike a chord with new Star Wars fans and by continuing a Leia and Luke plotline he would retain the oldest fanbase, with including Darth Maul he would retain the kids growing up watching the prequels. People would have rallied against him for the 2-3 year olds and other plot elements I'm sure, but in 10-15 years everyone would have made tons of money and been very happy.
That said I don't really mind the sequels too much. I still think in 10-15 years they're going to have more of a following than we think and have thought since they came out.
The sequels have lost their audience over the short amount of time we've had, though. How do you see the sequels getting a better reception as time goes on? The prequel trilogy has been better received by time because (a.) the sequel trilogy is so bad that it looks good in comparison, and (b.) the third movie was well received at the time - the *culmination* of the trilogy was liked, which made people re-evaluate the trilogy as a whole.
I don't have a bone in this. I think prequels and sequels are trash. Long live the OT and Andor. But I don't see how one can think the sequels will be re-evaluated positively over time.
@@TheWickedWizardOfOz1 Those are fair and valid points. For my thought process: I think a lot of the political social choices in episode 8 will gain more acceptance (replacing relevance) as time goes by because they will more accurately reflect where our society will be in the future. I also think the scene where Yoda tells Luke he should have shared his failures with his padawans will be well received, also - in addition to Rey being shown her parents as actually being herself - and finally - putting Palpatine as the main villain in the final episode will be seen as a smart way to wrap up the "transcending death" storylines which were alluded to in the prequels, but nothing more.
I will also say that RotS isn't particularly good. It's better in contrast to episodes 1 and 2 but there is plenty wrong with it, just a short list: Grevious is not compellingly evil to an adult audience, the final lightsaber fight while flashy, goes on too long, the CGI is underwhelming and ends strangely, (aside from the well done cinema from the shocking aftermath showing Anakin literally being disarmed.) Ian McDiarmid was never told he would have to perform the sword fights until day of, and it shows. The Darth Vader suit origin aka Frankenstein scene is particularly off-putting. If anything while RotS is aesthetically more pleasing and darker, episodes I and II contain more lore to discover and contemplate particularly the Qui Gon Jinn, Obi-wan, Anakin dynamic, Boba Fett origins, and Shmi's death being the catalyst for Anakin's path towards .. well, tyranny.
@@TheWickedWizardOfOz1Episode 1 and 2 were kinda bad but they still had some redeeming qualities and Episode 3 saved the prequels as a whole in my opinion (ever since i was a kid Revenge of the Sith is my favorite one alongside Empire Strikes Back and i've never liked that much episode 1 and 2)
The sequels kind of shitted on the fans, people hate Rey for being a mary sue character and are bad story wise(again, people HATE the protagonist), the only movie of the sequels that i think that isn't that bad and some people also say that it wasn't that bad is The Force Awakens but the other two's existence will make people keep seeing it as bad as the others for fair reasons.
I think that for all the issues in the prequels, they still reasonated with the fans and made sense in the canon since George Lucas for all his weird decisions still cared about it, Disney ruined it due to incompetent writters that don't understand the original material and a bit of unecessary political pandering(ex: "The Force is Female"). Not everything made by Disney was actually bad for the series but at this rate it would've been better if they lost the IP and whoever bought it took off everything they did from the canon and made a new sequel trillogy based on George Lucas' vision or calling him to supervisionise the project, unfortunately that's way too far from reality...
@@TheWickedWizardOfOz1 the PT deserves credit despite some execution failure
@@renren47618 1 really isn’t so bad in hindsight. I just rewatched, it’s pretty tame for the most part
I think this would’ve been so much better, But I just love the fact that George keeps wanting Darth Talon, WE KNOW WHY GEORGIE BOY WE KNOW WHY 😉
It could also be that Talon's design has quite a few similarities with Maul (red skin with black tattoos), and George thought that worked.
@@occam7382 I believe I heard that there was gonna be a Darth maul game and he wanted her to be in that but she is from a completely different time period than maul but he still wanted those 2 at the same time, AND WE ALL KNOW ABOUT GEORGIE WORGIE AND HIS TWI LEKS AYYYYY-
@@cappella264The devs couldn't find a way to do that, so they canceled it. That was a massive L on George's part.
Why? Bc you think he's a nerd horn-dog like you?
I think the biggest part that stands out to me is that it's a continuation of where RoTJ left off... and what I was hoping to see in TFA - rebuilding the Republic. Certainly something poetic about the saga ending with the formation of the New Republic.
"Sith as criminal masterminds" was something I always wanted to see
I mean, they basically already were, but this would still be a cool idea.
It's a boring idea.
He left out the part about going into the microscopic world of the Whills, which would be goofy, but also fun and on-brand
That's not true actually, George even called out Disney for this story.
@@soybasedjeremy3653 he did not, it was his explicit plans to have included more about midichloriansand the Whills if he had done the new trilogy.
@@user-wm2sz8eg7h Did you watch the video?
that's just a tiny detail...
Thanks to Rogue One, the Whills are technically proper canon.
They should make a show based on this idea sorta like the marvel what if series. I think seeing the original vision of the sequels get a short 1 or 2 season show on Disney plus would be a TOTAL hit.
That actually fits, feels right at home
this is canon, it came from the creator so it over-rules the disney version
He sold the rights. He has no saying in it anymore.
@@poppers7317 that is irrelevant
@@robodoesedits8666 it is not.
@@poppers7317 Okay, bro, whatever you say, but 30 people still agree with me, and I reckon many, MANY more do too
@@robodoesedits8666 it doesn't matter how many agree.
The best way to handle sequel has already been shown by Jedi Knight games. Its the most superior post-originals product out there. Kyle Katarn and Jaden stories are great.
I mean, it’s alright but it’s no Thrawn trilogy
@@laurelkeeper nothing is Thrawn Trilogy. And tbh, If all 7 novels about Thrawn by Zahn were adapted as show/movie series, it would be infinitely better than both sequel trilogies. Thrawn Trilogy and Hand of the Thrawn are some of the best Post-Endor and Pre-NJO novels, and they are one of THE BEST star Wars novels in general.
I can’t stress enough what a huge let down it is that you couldn’t be a Kel Dor in the Jedi Survivor games like you could in Jedi Academy.
You never know how good things are until it’s all gone
And people cheered when GL sold SW to Disney...
Just those few sentences are better than everything about the sequel trilogy combined. Can we atleast get the book versions? I’ve changed my mind, I’m all for a star wars multiverse. Just embrace all alternate realities the way Marvel/DC do. It would at least give George’s story another shot, and would legitimize Legends material, and Visions anime content. Truly expanding on the idea of Star Wars while liberating writers from the restrictive boundaries of not being able to undo canon.
Honestly who's to say he wouldn't have gotten the same crap that he did with the prequels. Take disney out of the equation people would still be grilling him
Exactly. The results will ultimately be the same.
Agreed, it’s a near impossible task it’s easy to look at it, and say would’ve been great, but we will never know
He did. He’s said all of this before. These are the “ideas” he says he gave to Disney and they threw in the garbage. When The Force Awakens was coming out, EVERYONE was saying: “Good, this sounds terrible and like a repeat of the prequels. Let’s get someone with fresh ideas, i have more faith in what J.J. Abrams can do.”
Everyone was saying this in every video they ever did, and if they deny it they’re liars. Those same people love the prequels now after bashing them for a decade.
Hindsight is a bitch. Hopefully he gets more involved again, but if he doesn’t, I don’t blame him.
Atleast it would be a consistent story. Honestly I think people trust Filoni more than Lucas
George is a fine idea guy, but he really needs a team of people to reign him in. Empire was the best movie of the franchise and neither the writers nor the director were named George Lucas.
This was my problem with Disney's trilogy. It seemed like nothing changed. After 30 years it seemed like everything that happened in ep 4-6 was for nothing cause they seemed to be in the same place...no development nada.
It's all about the execution of those ideas.
But at this point, anything is better than what we've got.
I watched a subway ad before this clip, and it was more entertaining than the sequels.
This is how I would do it. I always felt the biggest missed opportunity
was not showing how Luke and Leia ran the order. That was one of the
things that I feel would have made it better. This is how I would make it.
Rey should have been Anakin reincarnated, explaining why she is so strong, her connection to the skywalkers, why Anakin's saber called out to her, why Anakin's ghost was absent, ect. Both he and Palpatine come back but in different ways, where Palpatine just puts his soul in another clone body, while Anakin, fearing the return of the sith, gives up his immortality and reincarnates into a completely different body. Rey and Finn also fall in love. Never was that big of a fan of Reylo personally as I always saw them having more of a brother/sister relationship than a romantic one. Rey would also actually have to train as well. xD Instead of just learning stuff that even the chosen one had to train for. She'd still be gifted but I felt she learned stuff too easily.
You also could have not had starkiller base. Don't even mention planet destroyers until the final movie, where they release a couple dozen star destroyers but they destroy well known planets like, Dantooine, Hoth, ect. Rey joins with Luke's new order and after Luke sacrifices himself to prevent Palpatine from killing them, 4 main Jedi go to Exegol to defeat the emperor. Rey, a scavenger and former slave who freed herself and the reincarnation of the chosen one. Finn, a storm trooper that was part of an experiment to artificially create force sensitive storm troopers. Ben, formerly known as Kylo and a former knight of ren, and Poe, a former Jedi from Luke's order and became a bounty hunter who uses the force.
Poe, Finn, Rey and Ben join together to fight hoards of sith marauders and sith troopers and finally face the emperor. Leia unites the warring factions that were manipulated by the sith as well as the knights of ren and snoke and his loyalists. There are light sided, dark sided and even gray sided orders shown here, and they all have their own beliefs and agenda.Rey technically fulfills the prophecy since she is the reincarnation of the chosen one and she destroys Palpatine once and for all. Her being the reincarnation of the chosen one would really make the sequel trilogy feel like it's part of the Skywalker Saga. Think about it. Prequels showed Anakin's life as a Jedi, then the originals showed his life as a Sith and with the sequel trilogy, it would show the reincarnation of Anakin: Rey, living a new life and a new adventure. Now be honest, tell me what you think. I personally think something like this would have made the sequels amazing.
No bro
@@BlueThe_Epic Well, that's understandable. You gave valid reasons why. xD
@@Yabuturtle cause im annoying and hypocritical
0:24 So That scene with Maul from Solo movie is the closest thing that Disney able to make happen. While Maul lost his crime empire off screen.
Sigh… Dang it Disney.
it sounds like the version people loved from the expanded universe
Anything was better than the Disney sequels. They don’t even make sense. Never give jj abrams or rian Johnson the keys to any existing franchises ever again.
Anything that was overseen by an artist and not a corporation would've been better than the Disney Trilogy. I stand that if RJ got all 3 movies, we would've had a much better sequel trilogy on our hands, though still within Disney's creative ability.
As much as I dislike the story of TLJ, it was the only one that had flavor and its own vibe.
It may or may not have also taken some inspiration from Lucas's ideas.
We need an OG Director's cut from George Lucas for the Sequel Trilogy
Lucas's Idea + That Black storm trooper who is discovering his jedi powers.
It will be a good story twist.❤
“Somehow Darth Maul returned.”
Darth Maul was supposed to return in Ep III, but they ended up creating General Grievous. Who is only a brain and a heart.
He returns in the clone wars series which is WAY better than the prequel trilogy. Basically he ran on pure hatred on a garbage planet and became half mech spider.
"50 or the 100 [jedi] are left"
And people blame disney that gave us like ten, most of which have died by ANH.
Still, I would like to see his take on sequels, so we can take all 3 versions and make them into a good story.
Yeah, it's mind boggling. Luke is the last hope in the OT, but there were still 50-100 jedi in hiding?
@@Jumbleman5 And how many of those would stand a chance against Vader, much less Sidious? Or were doing Jedi things for that matter? Attachment is forbidden, remember, so if one needs to not be a Jedi in the galaxy, that's what they'll do.
@@mpnuorva Any one of them could have if it was written to be so. The story is fiction. It worked best if Luke was the last hope. It's ridiculous that older, more experience, more extensively trained jedi couldn't have used the force to find each other and at least joined the rebels as well.
@@Jumbleman5 In ESB yoda legit says Luke isn't their only hope. Vader and palpatine had the force too and its established the darkside was messing with the order's connection to the force Since AOTC
@@loganwendigo937 That was only meant to be a reference to Leia. The dark side messing with the order's connection to the force was only referring to their ability to see the future and detect that palpatine had abilities. So no, neither of those excuses work.
We could declare the disney timeline as part of legends. The fans had always power.
He’s said this. But he also had plans about his intent to have the skywalker grandchildren as young adults in the movies. And there was a girl named Kira. And there was stuff about getting in a microbiotic world and the origins of the force/whills of the force etc.
He had a few ideas clearly and probably would’ve morphed it together somehow
WTF are these bots
"It's like peeling back layers of an intellectual onion" lol
It's got Darth Maul as the main villain. Of course it's better.
maul died in episode 1. bringing him back makes death no value anymore and like a cringe disney movie now. cringe. "MAUL LIVED BROO!"
bro ur 30 year old grow up
Man hasn’t seen the Clone Wars
@@Talk-jn7xo Someone hasn't watched The Clone Wars Series...
@@randomasshat8802 Of course not it's nerdy cringe garbage the ruined the movies.
Why do you insist on narrowing your horizons instead of broadening them to the fullest you can?
Furthermore, the idea of Maul surviving Episode 1 predates the Clone Wars series. One early draft of ROTS had General Grievous actually being Maul rebuilt as a cyborg (glad they didn't do this, actually. It's better that they are different people), and there was a one-off comic from 2005 called "Old Wounds" that had Maul showing up to the Lars family homestead for his rematch with Kenobi.
I am curious though. How exactly did it "ruin the films"?
I actually really like the idea of the remaining imperials basically becoming a rebellion against the New Republic. It would sort of be a parallel back to the Separatists being the underdogs who were just fighting for their freedom from the Republic. It would have been cool to see the sides switch back and forth in each trilogy instead of just getting an exact copy of the Empire that somehow took over again out of nowhere.
bro I had the literal same Idea about the stormtroopers starting their own planets and rebelling
Leia ended up being the chosen one? Is that a quote by George Lucas himself? That would just be so absurd.
I think he said that years before the prequels were made...
It's a tongue in cheek comment. Leia is elected (chosen) as supreme chancellor.
Chosen One in this context means something very different from what you think it means. Anakin is still the only Chosen One in that he destroyed the Sith and brought balance to the Force, but Leia is the Chosen One in that she's the person who will lead the Republic into a new golden age.
@@occam7382 Chosen two then?
The Thrawn Trilogy would have been ideal for the sequel trilogy
You can kind of see this in Mando and then Ahsoka, where the imperial remnant is in league with the criminal underworld. Not exactly 1-1, but I can see it
I wish Disney decides to make at least an animated series following this plot
I would love a mix of that and what we got. Controversial or not, I like the first order
Luke vs Maul the crime lord? SO MUCH BETTER.
It’s kind of crazy how he had a whole script, everything planned out, did all of the heavy lifting, and Disney was like “nope, we’d rather remake a new hope”
Disney should make an animated version of this storyline.
Any fanboy could've made a better sequel.
No
Yes@@anthonymejia1769
A fanboy 2/3rd of the sequels, what makes you think any other fanboy would do better?
@@jonsmith2832 Correction: Fanboys made the entirety of the Sequel Trilogy.
George has changed his story so many times
Read the intro to the 1977 A New Hope novel. Predicts the main outline of the prequels. Lucas was more consistent than people give him credit for.
@@Munedawg I read it in 1980 the first time, and have a first edition hardcover (a gift from my parents for taking care of the family when they were all sick and I was not) that I have read several times. However, you need to read the title of THIS video which is about the Sequels. This video that you replied to my comment on is called "George Lucas shows how he'd do the Sequel Trilogy". Say it with me: Sequel Trilogy.
@@baron7755, yeah. And he's stayed pretty consistent on how he wanted the story of the Sequels to go for over a decade now. What's your point?
@@occam7382 my point is very clear
@@baron7755, not really. Are you trying to say George hasn't been consistent with his plans for the Sequels?
It is absolutely better. Imagine George was lead story writer and with GOOD writers to do the screenplay. Best of both worlds. George handling all the nuance of story and character motivations. And writers that avoid cheesy lines.
He should write some novels of his sequel trilogy. It would be a gold mine.
Funny thing is people would've bashed these too, George would never be able to win.
Yeah I feel like a lot of people don’t realize that because they’re so focused on hating Disney
At least George would've gotten to tell his story the way he wanted to tell it. Remember, these films were never for us, they were for him. We're just leasing them from him for $10 at a time (that's an actual quote from George, by the way).
@@morsecode980 The only people who hate Disney Star Wars are racists, nazis, bigots, women haters, transphobes, conversatives, trump supporters. Basically our enemies. if you see someone hating on Disney just know they are the worst people on the planet and deserve prison for their political beliefs. They out themsevles. Keep tabs on them
This is the sequel I want to see not the Disney trash version "im Rey Skywalker" 🤮
I like that Disney told a generational story, even if some of the twists weren't quite what we'd have hoped for. Luke and Leia solving another Imperial threat while the Galaxy is more or less stabilizing feels more like something for the books.
The best part about it is that it is a fresh environment compared to the OT and the prequels. The OT was about the good guys being a small group of rebels against a massive and established empire. The prequels was about two waring sides of equal military might only for both the republic and separatis to be played by Palpatine.
This would have given us a republic trying to get back on its feet whilst facing off against the criminal underworld and small remnants of the empire.
Needs a bit of work but it has potential.
I like the idea of Maul being the new big bad and training a new Sith but that idea was done already in the shows where Maul was eventually killed by Obi-Wan. So, maybe instead of Maul it could have the Night Sisters as the new villains that way the prophecy of Anakin destroying the Sith remains intact and we just face a new threat.
I would also take the idea of having a Storm Trooper turned Rebel hero and revealed to be a Force User as that's honestly a great idea just wasted. On a side note since Lucas always intended the hero of the next trilogy to be a girl I would also change said Storm Trooper to a girl and use Lucas' original name for Rey which was Kira and just cast John Boyega as Kyle Katarn and give him his own spin-off series.
Makes better use of Boyega and he gets to be cast as fan favorite Kyle who, quite frankly, he's a perfect fit for.
And yes before, anyone asks, Kira would still be black because I see no reason to change the character's race.
Onto Lucas' other ideas I LOVE his take on Leia and Luke, Leia becoming Supreme Chancellor of the New Republic? HELL YES!!! Great way to end her character arc, she started out as a Princess who was also a Rebel Fighter and became leader of the New Order. Way better upgrade then General who does nothing.
And Luke actually training a new generation of Jedi. Well I can see why that was tossed aside, it actually fit with his character arc from the last film and why do that when we can just retread his arc from Return of the Jedi.
I also think want to include a Thrawn type character and imply that the events of the Extended Universe mostly happened the way it did with a few key differences. Chewie is alive, Mara is alive, Han and Leia's son didn't fall to the Dark Side but died heroically and they only had twins and we also have Luke and Mara's son Ben.
So, yeah, needs a bit of work but honestly sounds a lot better then Disney just lazily retreading the original Trilogy.
I would say don't have Lucas write the script just get people who could help him realize his vision but still have him be involved.
Personally I would ND Stevenson to write the script and Steven Spielberg direct the first film at least and the rest if he would be interested.
Sounds like a good idea in concept, but like every Star Wars idea, it comes down to execution.
On paper I can say what we had as a storyline for the sequels could’ve worked,
But the execution sucked ass.
Same here.
It’s interesting, I’d be down to see the vision,
But I’m not going to automatically praise it for being anything more than an idea here
The problem with the sequels imo is rehashing of Rebels vs Empire. The idea and concept alone is what started them off in a bad place. At least this would’ve tried to be something new unlike TFA
@@loganwendigo937 that’s fair but even that could’ve been spun into something interesting. Ashoka touched up on it to, like what if this is all a cycle that the force is putting the galaxy through, trying to tell everyone something about balance.
Idk that could’ve been a part to explore in the Last Jedi to answer why Force Awakens is the way it is
@@JakeTylenol, the problem here is that what George wanted to do wasn't to simply do "Rebels vs Empire" again, it was to restore the Republic and mark the beginning of a new golden age. That was how the saga was supposed to end.
@@occam7382 okay?
That actually sounds pretty interesting! Certainly a step out of typical star wars themes, to an extent at least.
His galaxy sounds like warlord era China
I might be going mad here but does anyone else think this sound a bit shit.
prequels were bad so this can be too
Yeah. It kinda does.
Making Maul the villain would be a bad idea. Dude was supposed to be dead ages ago. Bringing him back in TCW was already fanfiction-level writing, and saying he survived past the Galactic Civil War would have been would have just been silly. Still a better idea that what Disney did with it though. I would have loved to see Darth Talon.
He died twice.😒
Plus if he's a Sith, doesn't that go against the prophecy, seeing how Anakin destroyed the Sith Order, both himself and Sidious? But I guess maybe it wouldn't count anymore and Maul is just a dark side user and not an official Sith anymore, just like Ahsoka is no longer an actual Jedi.
Agreed. Also fighting “galactic crime” does not seem like big enough plot.
I’m so sick of darth maul
At least Vader killed Sidious according to the entire Jedi Prophecy.
Im happy i'll die knowing some version of a George Lucas sequel trilogy
What's even more wild is George had something like this planned since the 80s, Mark gave an interview where George told him he'd play Luke passing the torch to someone new around the year 2011
And we'll probably never see the full story of Star Wars the way George intended
I don't trust Lucas or Disney at this point. Both have sold out. The ones who helped in the EU made really good stories. Not all of them were perfect, but they were way better than what George had planned or what Disney has done.
Until the Yuuzhan Vong, legends suffered the same problem Disney canon suffers from. Too reliant on imperials as main enemies. It was better than current canon but something new like George imaged would be best
@@loganwendigo937 Of course, this also doesn't have to be sequels to the trilogies. EU talked about a whole bunch of things in the past as well as the future. Knights of the Old Republic has potential.
Damn
So it’s just confirmed that any continuation movie of episode 6 is absolute trash. Got it.
We only need 1-6 that’s all lol. I know there are eu novels comics and games after rotj that are really good that I enjoy but 1-6 is a complete story. Bringing maul back and having Leia be the chosen one is stupid.
Yeah, this is not a good plan. He clearly came up with it after the disney sale, and this whole storyline requires making the movies in the late 80s/early 90s. He would have had to come up with a plan that facilitated decades of time passing.
He talked about recasting in one of those interviews
@@loganwendigo937 doesn’t save the idea from being ridiculous
I could see at some point very sophisticated AI and/or de-aging making something like this a reality.
Maul was always an odd one to me. I'm curious how soon George thought about bringing him back because even when it happened it was a bit surprising.
Honestly that sounds perfect. It would bring back an old foe from the prequels. It would give Luke and Leia the screen time they deserve. And it would setup a future trilogy with new characters
So basically lucas just summarised the entire eu up into a few lines.