The Seiko Prospex Glacier Has One FATAL Flaw…
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- You need to see this before buying the new Seiko Prospex Glacier. It’s an incredible watch but I just can’t get my head around one thing… Enjoy!
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I've been wearing this watch for several months, pretty much as my daily, and have been measuring its accuracy since January. Over two months, it has averaged -1.62 seconds per day, so I can't complain.
Fully agreed! My SPB147 ran at +15 spd out of the box and now 2 years later it’s running at +3-4 MINUTES per day. Quite unacceptable for the price point. Meanwhile the Powermatic80 on my Tissot Gentleman has been running with the accuracy of 0-5 spd for the past couple of years!
haha 4 mins per day! wild. like they just started making watches or something.
I love many of Seiko's designs and dials, but they have two enduring issues that prevent me from buying one. First - very hit-or-miss QC and marker misalignments. Second - so many of their movements are just not accurate enough for me, especially in the higher-priced models, when competitors hit it out of the park.
It's worth noting that this model, as well as the others from Save the ocean lineup have Seiko's super hard coating, which has double to triple the hardness of normal 316 stainless steel. Also, the movement seems to be pretty accurate after regulation (mine has about 5 sec variation), shame that Seiko doesn't do a better job at regulating them at the factory.
I dont think they even try to regulate them at all 😅
I have 19 seiko watches ranging from 7s26 to 6r35 movements and (while within stated tolerances) the timekeeping is all over the place. 😆
It is also ashame that the 4R can do the same if regulated, aside from the 70hrs power reserve on the 6R.
i dont think they regulate , but its really easy to regulate the seiko movements , like really easy as long as you dont have shakey hands .
Great video and one I've been waiting on,but yeah bit of a bomb shell dropped at end....I wear a smiths everest to my work everyday with a miyota movement I believe and it runs pretty fast buy its only 350...
I'm currently wearing my blue prx that I just purchased the tissot blue leather for...love the quick release on it.
Great vid @chrisholm hunter the PRX looks great on your wrist how do you find it wears on your 6 1/2" wrist ? Lots of reviews say wears very large.
Not a flaw to me. It's a feature and normal of this lineup, and 6R35. Seiko diver design is top class anyway. And that will not disappoint, not even by this particular movement. Enjoy the watch, enjoy the design. Live life, and stop hunting the seconds :-) This is what I learnt from my watch community.
The accuracy specified by Seiko is in the static range when the watch is not worn. I myself have several watches with this movement and cannot confirm these rates. My SPB317 runs at +9 seconds/24 hours on average and my SPB203 runs at +3 seconds/24 hours. It's not the accuracy on paper that matters, but the accuracy on the wrist.
Well said.
Yeah and my seiko ssk gmt runs at like 15 seconds per day on wrist 30+ off the wrist, your point? More than a minute per week is pretty shit accuracy
so you better buy a quartz watch 😉
No you better buy any watch with Miyota 9000 series which is way better movement than 4r,6r and even sw 200 proven!!
You buy what you love with your heart not your head, otherwise find another hobby
Great video once again. I’m wearing a Seiko ‘Save the Ocean, Great White Shark, Samurai’ today. Love the watch, not too worried about the accuracy, but like you, I’m trying to support a worthwhile cause and this a watch you can take anywhere, plus it will definitely take the knocks.
I agree as a daily beater it's an incredible watch!
7:13m you say the watch has SuperLuminova?? Thats Swiss. This is Seiko. It uses Lumibrite...its their own Japanese lume
I didn’t know that!! Thanks for the info.
Wearing the spb333 save the oceans slim willard and absolutely love it!! Out of the box it's running about -8sec a day. Definitely will regulate it at some point. In terms of looks and heritage plus conservation really can't beat these watches.
Nice looking Seiko. You’d think Seiko could make a mechanical movement that’s a little more accurate. Come on, Seiko! You’ve got the money to R&D a better movement.
Anyway, today I’m wearing my Tudor BB Chrono panda dial. Love it!
I had the regular version of this watch and can confirm that the accuracy was ahead by at least 15-20 seconds... can't expect much accuracy out of seiko unless it's spring drive.
Fatal flaw? So the movement specs. are a bit loose for a relatively expensive Seiko. That's hardly fatal. It looks good and has a reasonable size.
Agreed! I'm willing to bet if it said 'swiss made' with a swiss brand name....that flaw would hardly be fatal.
Mine ran -40sec a day. Turned it in, they replaced the movement and regulated it. Now it runs within COSC spec. Hope it stays like that.
Although I really love the design and feel of Seiko watches, I have to confirm that the accuracy of the Seiko Diver is about 15 seconds per day (ahead). For daily use, this is far below my expectations and I have exchanged the Seiko for a Mido Multifort Chronometer.👍 The only drawback of this watch is the lack of luminous material on the hands and numerals.🤷♂
Beautiful watch ..tried it on last year defo worth buying as a daily beater 🤩 perfect size for smaller wrist too 🤭 ... wearing the Yachtmaster 40 Rhodium dial still on the honeymoon stage 🤣
DOXA sub 200T yellow. My favorite diver and I wear it constantly.
Lovely watch with great dimensions. I've got an S.M.P and a BB58, but always room for a cheeky Seiko! (Monster Tuna Kira Zuri).
I have the Seiko SPB089 blue Alpinist on today on Strapcode Super-O bracelet. I love the reviewed model (and the SPB14x line in general), but the movements in lower end to mid-range Seiko leave a lot to be desired in the accuracy department, typically. You'll get a lot better accuracy out of Hamilton, Longines, Mido, etc. in the same price range. My Hamilton "Cooper" gained 61 seconds TOTAL in the first 2 months of ownership. A friend has had his for several years and it runs -2/s per day. The 4R in my King Turtle runs -20/s per day. I've heard the 6R35 can be really hit or miss, but the 6R15 in my Alpinist is running around +3s/day after 3-1/2 years. I can't complain about that at all.
I have the SPB143 and the SPB237. Both run at +4 seconds per day but I also have a SPB209 and that loses 20 seconds per day, it's incredibly annoying.
Wearing a Gshock square tough solar. Accurate to the second as it constantly calibrates via radio control! I also have seikos with less accuracy including the spb147, and still love them too!
I have this watch and it’s running 1.5-2 seconds slow per day, which is a relief as the rated accuracy was so bad; but I’ve found this with multiple Seiko’s over the years-they’re usually much more accurate than the stated specs (P.S. I could listen to your accent all day…!)
Seiko SPB155. Love it! Same movement: 3 seconds per day. Bedsides, any Seiko watch can be regulated by any good watch professional.
Wearing right now the Seiko 5 GMT Batman. Loving it. Cheers.
You stated the tolerance of the movement but didn’t actually say what it was running. Not really fair to compare it to the tissot when you don’t even know what the watch is running. You also called the lume super luminova but it is Seikos own Lumi-bright lume. You didn’t talk about the hardness coating the watch has either. I like your videos but maybe do a little research on the watches my friend.
Great points!!!!!
Beautiful watch. It should be more accurate for this price. But this dial is a little bit Grand Seiko. It would be nice If the movement would be too.
In my wrist today I wear my Wolves of Odin automatic
Yep, my SPB143 with the same 6R35 movement has terrible accuracy. It gets +15s/day if I'm lucky. If not, which is more often the case, it's anywhere from 1.5 _minutes_ off in either direction after 24 hours. God, they absolutely got everything else right, though. It's so frustrating...
Strange, I'm wearing my one dive watch today, the Citizen Aqualand Promaster Marine! Its accurate being quartz, though I don't think Citizen are doing anything in regards to ocean charity with this range (I could be wrong). Back to the Seiko, good review, and I'm surprised with the lack of accuracy of the movement for the price. A little disappointing. Still a nice watch though.
Man we know that flaw and it can be regulated easily by a good watchmaker and also most of the time it's an underestimation from Seiko and in actual life the movement is more accurate than the spec specifies.
Wrist check! I’m wearing the Nomos Club Campus 36 Future Orange
Totally agree with your review Harrison. The 6R35 movement is appalling. Even after regulation they rarely remain accurate longer term and drift off over time. Seiko should offer these models in Quartz
I owned the initial model of that series (SPB143). Its a nice looking watch but the movement accuracy was bad, my model had a beat error of 1.5ms which is even bad for an unserviced vintage watch. The movement can be accurate, i ajusted it to +1sec/d.
Just sad how less effort they put in regulating their movements.
Well Seiko always under values there watch or movements then how accurate they are. Having saying that I heard this movement on particular 6R35 have accuracy issue down the line let’s say 6months -2 years of use . It goes fast 2 minutes a day.
...and the most "important" question now: WHAT Material is used for the Bezel??? I dont know... i found nothing... and IF its from Aluminium, then no, thanks...
brushed steel I've seen in some reviews.... looks good in person I have to say when I tried on in the shop.
Love Seiko! Save the Ocean is a great cause for helping the planet!
I have the same movement in 2 differnt watches. Both within +5 -5 a day for more than a year
The 6r35 might show poor accuracy when new, and if course since Seiko can't be bothered to regulate many of their watches. One would expect a little bit more at that price range.....back to the accuracy issue. When new, give it 20 turns manually and wear it. Let it charge 100% while wearing it (Seiko are easy to charge at their max when wearing it) and then take it off, let it wear out. Then give it 70 turns (1 turn for each hour of power reserve) and repeat the same process 3 times. This way the mainspring will take it's final form. After the 3rd time the watch should run at around +5 @ 24h.
I got the SPB147 and I still feel ripped off. I hate the prices of these watches as the truth is - the movement on these watches are such garbage. For the price of these watches it's just unacceptable. I understand Seiko has a fan base, but I hate that such a following would allow themselves to pay so much and just settle for half assed products.
I have this watch and love it!
Which color did you get?
The blue birch he reviewed
The fatal flaw is the 6R movement with that price tag and the 6R is just as bad as 4R movements, I agree with you.
Great looking watch, but at over a grand I'd expect it to be fit for purpose and be reasonaby accurate. Otherwise you'd be better off with a G Shock.
The 6R35 is $hit period , My two 6R35 equipped watches had to be sent to the Seiko Service Center in NJ 🇺🇸
I have a lot of save the ocean watches. They have beautiful dials and a good conservation effort. I used to be nitpicky with accuracy, but ever since i put my watches on a rotation and use a different watch daily, accuracy isnt as important anymore.
Of course the issue is still valid and it would be awesome if these watches come a little bit fine tuned before being sold
Definitely! It's an incredible watch I would have just liked to have seen it being a little more accurate.
handsome watch for sure.
Very!
The only fatal flaw here is that comical photo to wrist ai feature on the website
the flaw - 8:31
CW trident pro 300 on wrist today 😁, £300 cheaper than the Seiko ….
my 6r35's tend to run around +2-+5 a day.
Wrist check. Rolex SD43 50th.
SPB213 on wrist today.
I’m wearing a black bay 58 Navy
Fair point that it's a flaw. Fatal? First, I generally wear one watch from my rotation for a day or two, then switch to another. So daily rate isn't hugely important. Second, having owned multiple Seikos with this movement and its predecessor- they all performed WELL within the rather pessimistic stated specs.
Taper the bracelet throw in the high beat and contend already
I have a 6R movement in my alpinist, -2 minutes a day out of the box. Unacceptable seiko. My watch maker managed to get it down to -30 seconds a day which is slightly better.
I have 2 6R35 's. Both hopeless timekeepers.
Of all the Seiko divers I find this case shape lacking in personality. If it weren't for the dials they would be boring.
Today I am wearing my Tudor GMT on a Uncle Seiko Jubilee bracelet.
Peter, I have the exact same watch Tudor GMT on Jubilee from our best Uncle, I put my BB58 blue on one too. But let me tell you, these Seikos are incredible on the wrist. I got the 147 and 149 and love them. For 1/rd of the Tudor price they are stellar value for money and don’t look boring at all with the nice mid case etc.
@@koolpep I will go and try one on 👍
check out the 62mas in other colors some of them are really spectacular
What % do they give though. 0.005% maybe.
Japan is secretly discharging nuclear wastewater
Did he really save the ocean?
I love the video of this show sorry guys for spoiling your enjoyment...but I have to tell the truth
accuracy is dreadful, and there’s no way I would pay £1000 plus for that level of accuracy, I own the alpanist and I paid just under £600, anything over £1000 I am expecting COSC that should be standard across all
Doesn't Japan fin sharks and make soup with them?
Apart from being overpriced with hit and miss quality control
Bulova A15 Pilot
By the way the Tissot PRX power magic 80 your talking about modification don’t to the actual ETA movement with some plastic parts in it to reach the efficiency and get that kind of accuracy. . So down the line of let’s say 4 years when you need to maintain the watch you actually need to throw out the movement and put a new movement on . I think that’s a absolute junker for me I want to wear a watch that I know would last even what’s under the hood and I can pass down the generations. This is not watch making this is garbage shoving down by Swatch as this is Swatch DNA make one time fun pieces and throw it out and you can see the out come of the in the Quartz Omega swatch watch. The more over swatch watches and now the Tissot PRX power magic 80.
Hamilton khaki field automatic
Do people really care about 15 seconds on a mechanical watch? So silly
Mines +0.04
Have a look at perpetual planet, mate! 😉
No logo, no logo, no logo !!! on the crown always! Fxxx seiko..
Mine runs + 3/5seconds/day
Really?! This model?
@@ChisholmHunterOfficial I promise you that it is, also before I had the spb077, and was the same.
I have just bought the Yema Superman special edition with Eta 2824-2, which I love and runs 2/3 seconds faster at least.
seiko announces worse data than reality, which is a mistake in my opinion
Regards from Spain
Sorry mate the globe is ALWAYS always either warming or cooling.......... always has always will........ not says that pumping co2 into the atmosphere doesn't have an effect as it does
Trees NEED CARBON DIOXIDE TO
CREATE OXIGEN
So go on answer that big Brian
Wish the size 38 and a different steel band more retro band the band is so boring.
Not a good watch for the money!
The Fatal Flaw of this presentation.
The propagandizing.
Moved on when you began preaching.
62MAS baby!