Agree, Matt appreciates engineering and technology in almost any form and he doesn't come across like he thinks he knows everything. His passion makes him very enjoyable to listen to
I've been a watch nut for about 24 years but inheriting the watch my dad wore for about 45 years and to be able to take a piece of dad with me through the rest of my life is priceless.
My dad wore a shitty old casio from a pawn shop for years until it died and he tossed it. When he retired, penn dot gave him a citizen. When he passed i got it and i feel the same way, bud.
Any "watch enthusiast" who shits on a G-Shock is a poser, plain and simple. I turned 30 earlier this year, and my family gifted me a new Tudor Black Bay. It will be my heirloom, if I ever start a family of my own. I'm currently wearing a $400 G-shock as I type this, GWM-B5000, that I fell in love with after TGV at The Urban Gentry did a review on it. My next purchase is going to be the new Timex Navi XL automatic, when they get back in stock. I'd love a Rolex Submariner, if i could afford it. But I will never sneer a $300 watch from a reputable manufacturer, like say Orient.
A lot of people love watches as a accessory, a visual rep of wealth or maybe even just a tool. Personally I’ve always loved them cause they feel like a companion item. You live with it, bond with it, and start to associate memories with it. Pick the right watch and they start to feel like a old friend.
Nowadays ladies and gentlemen, You will see Joe with an Omega watch almost every UFC event. Or A Rolex. This podcast singlehandedly made Joe a watch guy. Once he was told his seemingly mundane G Shock is actually a watch guys watch, he was hooked.
@@danielmiller1462Nah, apparently, he had a huge collection of expensive watches long before this podcast. And he's just feigning ignorance for some reason.
@@danlightened lol he’s never had a huge collection and I’ll be he still doesn’t a huge collection of watches is 100+. You have to be a watch FREAK to have more than 30 let alone 100.
Grand seiko’s are the shit buddy, never heard anyone say a bad thing about them. I personally don’t wear a g-shock unless it’s the Casio cause most of them tend to be on the bigger end and I got a small wrist. Also I work in corporate so I tend to wear leather straps or dress watches.
I always see Matt wearing a Rolex so when he started talking I was like, finally a person who knows watches and wears a Rolex for it's engineering and not because he heard they are the brand to have. Wearing a Grand Seiko in this videos just proved he really knows watches, especially when he didn't diss a Gshock. A true watch lover and not a watch snob 👍👍
I appreciated the fact he called Seiko a Lexus instead of a Toyota. Well done. Seiko has done so well for itself to position itself upmarket, it'll be rude just calling an entry level brand. Yes it has Seiko 5 which are entry level watches, but there's so much more in the brand portfolio that many people just don't look at
It’s a grand seiko not just a seiko, grand seiko is the luxury version which makes it the Lexus, the standard seikos where they are very much entry level, those are the Toyotas
I'd go to say that the Grand Seiko is still like a Toyota, but only the Century. Much like Grand Seiko is one of Seiko's greatest mechanical achievement, the Century is one of the greatest cars Toyota has ever made.
Agree completely. Casio and Seiko have made it clear that you don't need a crazy price tag to get an amazing watch. G-Shock and Seiko 5s are on the Lexus level for me.
@@aidanpysher2764 nope, GS is definitely the Lexus and that's already underselling it. their spring movement is second to none and their finishing quality is at least on the same level as the top brands in the game, at least when comparing to watches that are even remotely in a similar price range. that 10k GS can give a 25k rolex a run for it's money quality wise
I am obsessed with watches, being a retired mechanical engineer and retired high school math/physics teacher. I don’t spend more than $300 on any one watch, and most of my watches are in the $100 - $150 range. They are a marvel of engineering and I consider most of them as little treasures you can wear on your wrist for a quick glimpse at genius and beauty whenever you choose.
Price doesnt matter. Thecasio g shock is a workhorse and very high regarded among outdoor people. F91w is another classic iconic watch, despite it being 10 dollars one can get excited talking about it.
I recently just got into watches because of the engineering. I was bored and the youtube rabbit hole began and came across a channel of a guy rebuilding 1800's pocket watches. I was fascinated with the mixture of engineering and artistry involved in watches and immediately found an appreciation for them. Now i'm hooked and look forward to getting my own quality piece one day
That last "You gotta get buzzed in!" "OH GAWD!" killed me! lol As a handyman I once did work for the MAERSK corporation. I did odd jobs at their main offices in denmark. At one point the secretary for the top CEO asked me to take a watch to the watchstore for repairs. I was allso given two pens that needed to be serviced. Expensive items. Anyways, I made my way down to the fancy store in the expensive part of midtown and tried walking through the door but found it locked. Took me a while t relize there was a bell... Rang it... nothing happened. Rang it again... and then someone replied: what do you want' we don't selll to walkins and this is an expensive store. I was like WTF?! buut managed just to say I was there to get a watch and some ink pens serviced... She did't believe me and started questioning me about it. Ultimately she let me inside, through what turned out to be like an airllock in space. close the door behind you before you can open the next. When I got in it was like being met by a wall of employees asking me where I got the stuff and basicly accusing me of stealing them... I was like firstly I don't steal. secondly I am here to pay for them being fixed, not to sell stolen crap. Thirdly I have all reciepts from the owner, his goldcard, membership numbers and whatever else you might need, so cut your fucking crap and get working on it! As soon as they realized what was actually going on they turned into superfriendly people doing everything they could to make it better... I just had a helluva lot of fun being a longhaired metal dude who was actually able to put them in their place after they so obviously treated me as a dirty crook based on my looks... allthough my "elite powers" were only on lend from my employer, It was a lovely feeling seeing them scuffle!
Honestly watches are great to get into as long as you know how much you have to spend on them. If one is only making 30k a year, then a >$500 budget can still get you some amazing watches. My Seiko SKX-009 cost around $300 and it's one of the nicest watches I own
@@SweetShawn999 I'm the kind of guy whose cell phone doubles as their time piece. When I did wear a watch I was in middle school and it was a cheap timex digital. It was the only watch that would fit my scrawny wrist. I've had nice watches in the past but I never really appreciated them and would get annoyed by it sliding up and down my forearm. No thanks, I would rather put my hobby money into knives or tie pins.
Very good advice. First its buying your starter watch, then its wanting a collection, then looking at investment watches, then buying to sell, gets to be quite the addiction. 😁
Watches are jewelry for men. They are one of the few accessories men can wear compared to women. It's not just time keeping. I got a Grand Seiko spring drive, it's amazing.
@@Snoop_Dugg chains can be a little bit tricky. I think everyone knows a guy with to much chains or to flashy chains around is neck haha ;p. So yeah men can wear chains, but carefull not to be to much.
Once he handed over the grand seiko spring drive, I knew he was an actual watch person. It honestly says a lot of good about of a person, that they would choose this over other options in the price range. You sir, are a true watch person.
I come back to this video every once in awhile. Used to be because I love watching someone be turned on watches but it's also a great example of how to handle someone that doesn't understand you yet. Instead of treating Joe like a moron or getting triggered and being a douche he just very respectfully schools Joe to a little bit of his game. It's a valuable lesson.
I need to remember to come back to this comment! I've worked at the same company for 5 years my coworkers still don't know me yet even when I offer up my interests they don't care to listen, even though I listen when they speak on their hobbies 🥺 I wish they would afford me the same respect I give them.
@@addiegraves3 sometimes you just get unlucky and end up working with antisocial or clicky coworkers. The good news is getting too close with coworkers is risky and can lead to good or bad things. On top of that you may just be a good listener and many people are not. They just want to do all the talking and people that are willing to listen get taken advantage of. Being a good listener is a double edged sword because though it is appreciated by some and extremely helpful, it leads to being used as an emotional garbage can. I just think the way this guy gets Joe to go from "whatever" to watch guy in a matter of minutes is great. Another awesome example of that is the very first episode that Steven Rinella came on. Steven was so good at explaining his position and advocating for hunting that he got me and Joe both (and I imagine others) at the same time to go from thinking hunting was just kind of unnecessary and maybe immoral at this point to hunting our own first deer within that year. Steven wasn't trying to force his views or convert anyone, he was simply talking passionately about the thing he loved most and defending it against Joe being kind of silly and challenging a little bit. Joe did a complete 180 and is now one hell of a bow hunter himself. It's also just a really great Rogan podcast episode. Steven and Joe are good friends and Steven has been on many times at this point but that was the beginning. Steven also has what I consider the only good hunting show which is on Netflix now called Meateater.
We all used to be Joe. I grew up with no money. I would've never spent $100 on a seiko 5 when you can have something that's more accurate and cheaper. But when the bug bit it bit HARD!
What I like about Joe is his natural curiosity which leads to great questions. Joe asked the right questions to allow this guy to teach us all. It’s not an accident, he does this for all of his guests.
I will say one thing .g shock is not at all a style statement .it looks tacky and flashy.but the watch is great .but not at all suitable for all dress cide
@@ekimandersom4478 objectively, yes. Machine watches lose seconds a day due to the fact that they need to be wound up. Quartz watches are battery powered making them more reliable and more consistent.
There are thousands of watch geeks (I used to be one when i was a kid) A millionaiare can decide overnight to make your collection look like a sand castle on a beach xD Important life lesson? Maybe
I lost a Seiko Kinetic watch in a lake in the early 2000s. I went back with a metal detector 5 years later and found it! The mother fucker still worked too!!!!
I have an old seiko 5 that my great grandpa gave me (he’s still kicking too! Turns 90 in February) it was appraised at ~$300 and it’s probably the nicest watch I will ever have, but they will always intrigue me! I currently collect knives which is my expensive hobby, but even then my most expensive knife is only just under $500 when that is still considered budget in the watch world 😂
I had a GShock and one day working in a dairy farm a cow kicked me on the wrist. Anyone that has ever worked with cows know how that hoof comes up like it’s spring loaded. Got me right on the watch and the watch went blank. It came back on and normal after a few hours and honesty it probably saved my wrist.
@empbac The same can be said for ANY luxury item though. In the end of the day people enjoy surrounding themselves with nice, pretty things. Aside from the aesthetics or the creative expression of wearing luxury goods, you're also underestimating the importance of status symbols.
@empbac I mean you can be annoyed and annoyed until you turn red in the face. But you're just putting your head in the sand and ignoring the reality of the world we live in. You don't even have to go all the way into "luxury" territory. The man who is well-dressed, and groomed will have advantages in society over the man who looks and smells like a hobo. A nice watch can be part of this overall package, but it can be something as simple as buying a half-decent suit.
Irony: guy who says he finds luxury distasteful as he exploits modern technology to express his contempt. Remember, yesteryear's luxuries are today's expectations. Taking time off work is a luxury; indoor plumbing, electricity and household appliances are all luxuries. That roof over your head is also a luxury. Condemning "luxury in general" is to misunderstand the entire mission of the common man and the broader marketplace: to minimize labor and maximize leisure, a "luxury" achieved through the optimization of production. www.paradocracy.com/2018/12/the-economics-of-vintage-luxury.html
Both sides had valid points. Yes it’s true someone with an expensive watch could be just owning it to show off and feel it makes them superior. It’s also true someone could love and appreciate having something of such precision and craftsmanship and feel good owning something of such high quality knowing it will last. To Rogan’s credit once he learned more he was willing to open his mind up and appreciate why someone would love owning these watches. Also credit to the other gentleman for not being defensive but accepting that it was okay for someone else to not understand him yet and took the time to explain his views.
By hand... Just like 300 other brands. My favourite is the Anonimo Chronoscopio Summer Edition on the bracelet. Had one and stupidly let it go to fund my horological addiction's next purchase.
So I thought I would be turned off by this because I just bought my first automatic watch but I thought both guys were great. One was knowledgeable and the other was willing to learn. That is why people love the Joe Rogan show.
I’ve collected world war 1 and world war 2 watch variants since I was in my early 20s, I get them in working condition but I don’t restore them like they were brand new. Scratches, dents, patina on the dial all remains. I want my watches to be able to tell their stories so to speak.
I love how Joe was ashamed having a G shock but Matt saying G Shock is an awesome watch! Yes because Casio has heritage. They may be the most affordable but watch collectors respect Casio!
Pretty much every watch guy also loves G-Shock. It's kinda nice wearing a light, indestructable watch from time to time. Especially on mondays when you don't want to wind and set any of the expensive ones that stopped over the weekend lol. Monday is G-Shock day.
Thanks for the video. I'm an enthusiast, not a collector. So, while I admire the five and six figure watches, but I am grateful to have my Seiko, Tissot, and Mido mechanical watches.
I love watches. My grandfather loved watches and thus so did my father. I inherited his watch and started to build my collection. Automatic luxury watches 💯
Matt Farah: "It's a Grand Seiko Spirngdrive; it has a cool movement..." Understatement of the century. It's so ingenious and extraordinary, it's genuinely fantastic. Matt nailed it when he said it's one of the most unique and advanced mechanisms in a watch today. True that. And hard to appreciate fully without understanding how quartz and automatic mechanical movements actually work, or without knowing how astonishingly clever and persistent Yoshikazu Akahane was in bringing the movement to market after 600 prototypes over 28 years.
Don't think he's understating it, I think he didn't want to nerd out about it. If he starts going into the nitty gritty of things, the podcast gets boring.
@@hyphenizm I wouldn't say most. True collectors are humble and looking to make friends to talk about more watches. It's those damn fanboys who think everything is garbage other than a damn rolex
@@rtime4269 I agree. I'm no collector because I don't have money but I've been into watches since I was a kid. After being in a couple Facebook watch groups it seems like the guys who really have wealth and just love watches aren't the snobs. The snobs are usually guys that don't even have a nice watch nor could they afford one but they like to pretend. I remember one of the worst offenders was this guy that pretended to be this baller and he would shit on everyone's watch no matter what. His newly ex girlfriend exposed him as having only a couple decent watches that he was currently in debt to pay for.
@@rtime4269 as a watch collector and enthusiast, you are right Like fashion or cars, the arrogant posers are so very easy to tell and are usually the ones that brag everyday on social media about it Plus watches are niche so when we find someone who likes watches we’re very happy to meet you
joe thought that watches are expensive like fashion clothes but discovered the engineering behind it, i dont collect watches but i was always fascinated by the complications and craftsmanship of watch makers
I myself am a watch fan and I think what draws me to them more than anything else is the fact that it takes such a simple universal truth and encapsulates it in a compact, precise way. I’m a big fan of that general concept as it extends to many different forms of art - Newton’s Cradles, Bonsai Trees, Terrariums, etc. The reason why watches are so awesome to me is because there’s something very beautiful about being able to visualize time progressing slowly in such a smooth and direct fashion. Anyone who owns an expensive watch purely for the price or for status is a fucking idiot and probably doesn’t actually like watches. Similar to how lots of folks who drive Lambos don’t actually have an appreciation for the incredible details that go into those cars.
@michael faulkner And honestly, that’s another angle I didn’t even consider. Just how important it was for us eventually develop a system to accurately track time.
@@punkoid76 well he cares alot about watches (purchasing a luxury watch) and knows some about the world because he didn't go straight to rolex which everyone knows of including non enthusiasts
I feel the same about people that buy and wear Master of G G-Shocks, like the Rangeman and Mudmasters. Too pricey for the average guy, not enough for the snob. And 100% incredible pieces of tech.
What I have learned is most things that are expensive are actually really cool when you take the time to listen to the people who own those cool things who know what they are doing and talking about because if something is expensive, chances are someone really, really talented took a lot of time working on every detail of that cool thing.
I love watches. Its one of the few hobbies where there is virtually no barrier on entry for price and virtually no ceiling on price as well as virtually unlimited variation on the basic premise.
I love watches as well. I have 1 expensive watch (well i think it's very expensive and i couldnt afford to buy one) that was a gift for my 21st Birthday off my gf at the time. The rest of my watches are all under £1000 i particularly like seiko's and lately ive been liking some of the citizen eco drives. The watch my ex bought me was an A Lange & Sohne model lange 1 with a black face. I dont know what she (well her dad really she didnt have that type of money) paid for it but it could probably buy a new car for the same price. I wont sell for sentimental reasons because my gf was killed about 9 weeks after.
I totally agree. I've got a modest collection. Even some retro Casio's are cool to wear. Like you say, you can pick up something cool for like 20 bucks.
@@hickivanhoe3855 Yes, but they are extremely brittle, I assume. I know that sapphire glass of significant size is, or at least was, nearly impossible to make, at least for electronics displays for that reason.
And at the end of the day, you just bought a seiko for 5 grand. I’d feel dirty if I ever did. For 5k, you have so many options.... hell, you can even get a Jaeger LeCoultre for that price.
I JUST got into watches, though they were pointless a month ago with smartphones. Mechanical watches of course. But in this crazy messed up world we live in. I love the mechanic perfection of watches where everything is as it should be. I'm not a rich man by any stretch within the US, but I'm looking at getting an Open heart Orient Bambino watch, so I can watch the movement, I'm so excited for such a simple thing. It's great.
I'm on the same boat too. There's no limit to how expensive these watches get, even though a $20-30 quartz watch may do a better job of telling a more accurate time. But if we gotta buy, it's better to buy a watch where we can see the inner workings.
I got into watches 3 years ago. They're incredible. We as humans have a fascination with shiney objects and tiny moving things. It just makes sense for everyone to be into it. It's something that, today, is so unpractical but it's also something that shows why the world might be better if we were not so focused on hyper efficiency. You can have the most technologically powerful smartphone in the world but my $200 Orient open heart Bambino will always be more beautiful.
Two months after this was filmed Floyd Mayweather bought the Jacob & Co "Billionaire" watch for $18,000,000, I wish I could hear Joe reacting to that lol
@@NotKimiRaikkonen jewelry is not an investment, the markup is retarded compared to the gold and diamonds contained in the jewelry. That 18,000,000 will never be able to be re liquidated because no one will ever buy it from him and if they did they would pay less than 1,000,000, and if he melted the gold down and sold the diamonds he would not be able to recover a fraction of that 18,000,000. Also art is actually usually a scam, usually rich people buy a $500 piece of artwork and they will claim it’s worth 50 million and donate it to their own charity, this way they can write off 50 million in donations to avoid paying taxes, their are other similar ways that they do these types of scams with art but yeah besides a few pieces of art none of it is worth anything and it literally is a scam for tax reasons. I’m talking there are maybe 100 pieces of art that actually are worth a lot of money and the rest are scams.
I think Joe was referring to functional innovations, meaning: it tells the time and it can't do that much better, whereas cars can get better fuel mileage, etc.
racewiththefalcons1 I get what both you and Joe is saying but your argument doesn't really make sense. "Watches tells time and can't do much better" "Cars take you from A to B and can't do much better." It's not always about _what_ they do, sometimes what matters more is _how_ they do it. New cars get better mileage, new watches have longer power reserve. New sports car get faster, new watches get more accurate. Cars get new functions (thinking of gps, auto pilot etc), watches get new functions as well like moon phase, leap years (even though that might have been around for a while I don't know actually), automated time zone changes etc New cars get lighter, new watches get lighter. (A bit of a stretch but you get the point) Even though watches do a quite simple task, there's always room for innovation and improvement :)
@@racewiththefalcons1 Comparing regular cars to luxury watches is pretty fucking retarded for a start. Your average watch is a quartz watch or a smart watch, which get better all the time. Your average car gets better fuel milage and so on. Your luxury car gets more of the horsepower you'll never need, a higher top speed you'll never reach and you still can't fit two suitcases in there.
Funny thing...I bought a Casio recently...not a G-Shock...just an inexpensive WR 100M. Nice looking watch that I won't be sad if something happens to it. I work nights and wanted the watch for work. I just assumed that it would have a light. It doesn't. I was like WTF? And the hands barely glow. I mean I can hold it under a crazy bright light for 10 minutes and then take it into complete darkness and barely see the hands. It's basically worthless to me at this point for a work watch. So yeah...that light (or well illuminated hands) is definitely something many people take for granted on a watch...at least a utilitarian watch. Now if I'm spending $5k or $10k or even more on a watch...does it have a light will probably be way at the bottom of the list of things I'd look for in that watch. Of course I'll never be in a position to buy a watch like that. I did splurge however and ordered my first G-Shock and it was less than $300 and pained me a little to spend that on a watch. But I feel like it will be a watch that will last me many years.
@@chadashton7029 Congrats on your new G-Shock! Can't wait to order mine. Still debating between the DW5600 vs GWM5610. I will definitely be ordering one right after Christmas with my work bonus.
This guy sounds so good with watches, and when Joe said "dude you should sell watches" and replied with "I have a watch podcast, it's called watch and listen", I immediately typed that in the search bar
Joe has a hell of a collection. Cameron sub, iwc, among others. He gifted a moon phase speedy to a guest in a episode. I believe Nico Leonard did a video on it
@@j.d.c.777 Oh so all the soldiers and the industrial workers look just like middle schoolers for wearing a durable watch? Get the fuck out of here. Are you gonna tell me that Jocko wearing a g shock is less badass than not?
Watches are like paintings in a way. They're not actually gonna physically do much more than a regular watch, its just that everything that goes into it is meant to be appreciated by the craftsmen/artists/connoisseurs. That it became a status symbol is what then allowed more experimentation/extravagance being built into them. The same cycle creates a great many tasteless grandiose examples, but sometimes amazing pieces of art are also created.
I believe it takes great imagination, & appreciation for such minut, & high levels of craftsmanship, to be lured into becoming a timepiece aficionado. My greatest timepiece in my collection is a $700 pure Titanium Citizen Eco-Drive. Not exactly Robin Leach levels of extravagance, but no less an amazingly wondrous example of modern craftsmanship, & fancificationalism.
This. I find the ones with planets and all really tacky and gimmicky, almost like cheap kid's toys. And they are hundreds of thousands of dollars, so only millionaires and billionaires can buy them. And those people are supposed to be classy and sophisticated. But these gimmicky watches look nothing like that. The wealthy folks, the ones with generational wealth would often have an understated elegance, I always thought.
When you are in the military and timing is basically everything, you really get into watches. Consider the advances in technology of watches related to the military and they are all still used today.
The credit is due to the railroads. Keeping accurate time was critical so there wouldn't be a collision. You should check it out, very fascinating. The movements used today are based of the movement in the conductors pocket watch of yesteryear.
thats what collecting is, usage isn't always the key. however, its perfectly acceptable to want to collect whatever is in your dollar range, and its also acceptable for me to say about watch collecting.."what a colossal waste of time and money". both are absolutely right.
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I have watch collection that will probably never impress anyone but I like it. The majority of them are G Shocks and my favorite of them are a Mud Master that has served me well for several years. I’m about to buy my first smartwatch and I’ve narrowed my choices down to both Garmin watches and it’s between the Enduro 2 and the Tactix 7 Pro. If anyone has any suggestions or advice I would greatly appreciate it
Watching this while wearing a $7 Casio watch is a humbling experience Some have misunderstood the post to be some shame or inferiority complex, but its not, its just a comment on how a Casio isn't a Rolex, but seeing people rally behind the Casio in the comments is pretty cool, and one year later I wear it every day and I'm very content with it
The Valjoux 7750 is one underrated movement and its great to work on from a service perspective. Used in a vast number of chronographs. A real workhorse which is an achievement on its own.
When I was a kid my parents took me to see Apollo 13 take off and I thought it was the coolest thing ever. So of course I statrted researching everything astronaut and learned about the Omega Speedmaster "moonwatch". Years later in the Marine Corps I was trained by mostly Vietnam veterans. They nearly all wore either moonwatches or Rolex Daytona, or seamariners. They could pick up any of those watches very reasonable while on leave in Australia, Hong Kong, Japan etc. I always told myself I would get one. Prices have changed since then......
You buy swiss movement watches or nicely designed automatics because you appreciate the ingenuity & the craftsmanship of the materials. Like wearing art
Or then you really are into the mechanics and art of it and get a Grand Seiko, they beat the Swiss at every single aspect. Check a video on the history of Seiko/Grand Seiko and then the Spring Drive in particular if you want to be amazed.
noth606 Grand Seikos are great watches. No doubt. You don’t need to sell us on a Grand Seiko. There are many of us who are watch connoisseurs who may even know more than you do. Btw no need to put down Swiss watches. We don’t have to all like the same things. If people like a Rolex or a Patek ....great! If people like a Grand Seiko....great! If we all liked the same things and wear the same things...this world would be boring. The whole point of Vic’s comment was that we wear “nice” watches because we appreciate the complications, the engineering, the beauty of such things.
tip #1 about collecting watches, don't settle for a cheaper alternative...save up and wait to get the watch you really want. I made the mistake of buying an alternative, it was still a very nice watch, but I was always wanting something else in the back of my head the entire time.
TKO593 do it dude. I’m a watch guy that knows nothing about knives, but I see a lot of people on Instagram that collect both. Some amazing entry level watches on the market at the moment that can help you take that dive. Check out Tudor Black Bay and the Omega Seasmaster 300- either the perfect first “nice watch”.
Grand Seiko took a lot of years to fully develop, and they are cool, and some say an advance. But the Spring Drive movement in a Grand Seiko requires a quartz crystal to function. In effect it is a quartz watch with an improvement in the movement - and costs more, much more than an ordinary $12.95 - $49.95 quartz watch from a big box store. The primary inventor worked on developing it for years without the quartz crystal, if I recall what I read correctly. When Spring Drive shows up in a Timex with the Indiglo feature, and at a price undder $50, then I might buy get one. But at current prices it is a luxury item for those who can afford luxury, not for people with a few thousand in savings but unable to afford a car payment and struggling to buy groceries.
It depends how wealthy you are. I love watches and if I had the means I wouldn't buy a grand seiko. Why would I buy a watch from a company that has watches under 100 dollars?
For those new to Grand Seiko,as of 2024 the power reserve is on the back. Seen through the exhibition sapphire caseback. They've really cleaned up the dials as a result. Seiko spring drive still has power reserve at 7:00.
Grand Seiko owner here. Watches get to be an addictive hobby no matter what price point you are looking at. Once you learn about the different mechanisms and uses on top of being able to wind it and hear it tick, it just becomes enamoring. I can appreciate someone wearing a Patek Phillipe that costs 100k or a Seiko that costs 50 bucks, it's all about loving what you have on your wrist and using it for telling the time as a function.
Agree. Bought myself a Orient Bambino V2 rose gold this year to celebrate a good year at work. I’m new to watches so wanted to get something highly functional but I was drawn to the beautiful look. It’s a HUGE jump in price but I’ve got my eyes set on a Grand Sieko in the next year or two depending on achieving a couple goals I have set.
Not really. Not to say Grand Seikos aren’t beautiful watches but you can go way way deeper into it and far more expensive with Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, and Lange and Sohne
@@sinjon Price of a watch that someone owns doesn't necessarily correlate with someone's knowledge and appreciation for watches. Someone knowledgeable will pay top dollar for the heritage and history of a brand (Rolex), one will pay top dollar for the engineering (Richard Mille), and then you have something like a Grand Seiko that is very well engineered and beautiful while 'only' being in the $5-10k range. I dont understand the hate that Grand Seiko gets from some of these collectors and enthusiasts.
@@sinjon Grand Seiko is really for the hardcore watch lovers, it terms of complication. They just get hated on because it’s not some 300 year old company out of Switzerland. Movement wise they beat Rolex 9/10 times.
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I once knew a guy that had a collection of 400+ watches; he never showed up on time for anything.
He was probably too busy trying to set them all to the correct time.
He's always late because he's busy trying to pick a watch
He was too busy trying to wind them up
The irony is strong on this one
Relatable
I don't care for watches, but hearing someone this enthusiastic about what he like is enjoyable regardless of the topic.
Agree, Matt appreciates engineering and technology in almost any form and he doesn't come across like he thinks he knows everything. His passion makes him very enjoyable to listen to
Everybody has different passions
If you go on r/Watches you might easily get sunk into it. "Dangerous game friendo"
I agree so Can I hear you talk about guy on guy bondage porn
newt true
I've been a watch nut for about 24 years but inheriting the watch my dad wore for about 45 years and to be able to take a piece of dad with me through the rest of my life is priceless.
Heirloom watches are top tier. They’re priceless, regardless of manufacturer.
My dad wore a shitty old casio from a pawn shop for years until it died and he tossed it. When he retired, penn dot gave him a citizen. When he passed i got it and i feel the same way, bud.
It wouldn't matter if it was an Armatron or Timex. Your father's watch is priceless, regardless of the make and model
@@Ninjamlm no, it doesn't matter. It only matters that it was his.
I can’t pull the trigger on spending 15k on a Rolex
And now a couple years later Joe gave the Omega Moonwatch off his wrist to a guest on the show. He got hooked!
Where is that footage?
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@@youwebz search it
The Lex Fridman episode I think
Dude summoned Jamie like a veteran guest.
powerful
This was his third time on. By definition a veteran lol
He talked to jaime like he signed his checks. XD
@@buuhan3189 nu
Lmfao
Grand Seiko wearer but appreciates a G Shock. That's a true watch guy. I see an expensive watch in Rogan's future. He's got the bug.
Casio has a great history in horology. Great quality watches. Can never go wrong with a Casio, especially a GShock
He bought a panerai luminor and several rolexes now.
“You wear a Rolex to impress others, you wear a Grand Seiko to impress yourself!”
Any "watch enthusiast" who shits on a G-Shock is a poser, plain and simple. I turned 30 earlier this year, and my family gifted me a new Tudor Black Bay. It will be my heirloom, if I ever start a family of my own. I'm currently wearing a $400 G-shock as I type this, GWM-B5000, that I fell in love with after TGV at The Urban Gentry did a review on it. My next purchase is going to be the new Timex Navi XL automatic, when they get back in stock. I'd love a Rolex Submariner, if i could afford it. But I will never sneer a $300 watch from a reputable manufacturer, like say Orient.
@@FoAmY99 but bruh, $400 for a fucking GShock?
A lot of people love watches as a accessory, a visual rep of wealth or maybe even just a tool. Personally I’ve always loved them cause they feel like a companion item. You live with it, bond with it, and start to associate memories with it. Pick the right watch and they start to feel like a old friend.
Nowadays ladies and gentlemen, You will see Joe with an Omega watch almost every UFC event. Or A Rolex. This podcast singlehandedly made Joe a watch guy. Once he was told his seemingly mundane G Shock is actually a watch guys watch, he was hooked.
Hate to break it to you but this podcast wasn’t singlehandedly the reason.
Yeah he was into watches well before this. He had a rolex yachtmaster back in the tv show host days
@@aleccaso4697 just because you have a watch doesn’t mean you’re into watches he was rich on a TV show. Of course he’s gonna wear a Rolex.
@@danielmiller1462Nah, apparently, he had a huge collection of expensive watches long before this podcast. And he's just feigning ignorance for some reason.
@@danlightened lol he’s never had a huge collection and I’ll be he still doesn’t a huge collection of watches is 100+. You have to be a watch FREAK to have more than 30 let alone 100.
It’s refreshing to see such a well educated watch collector and teacher be SO open to everything from Grand Seiko to G Shocks
Love my G shock (gw-m5610 black out) but also love my vintage omega and have owned JLC, Panerai, grand Seiko, countless Rolex and omega etc
Hmm
Gshocks are awesome. I love wearing mine when I need to do anything physical. The DW5600 especially. What an icon.
Grand seiko’s are the shit buddy, never heard anyone say a bad thing about them. I personally don’t wear a g-shock unless it’s the Casio cause most of them tend to be on the bigger end and I got a small wrist. Also I work in corporate so I tend to wear leather straps or dress watches.
@Onion Head dumbass question: How durable are the rolex?
I always see Matt wearing a Rolex so when he started talking I was like, finally a person who knows watches and wears a Rolex for it's engineering and not because he heard they are the brand to have.
Wearing a Grand Seiko in this videos just proved he really knows watches, especially when he didn't diss a Gshock. A true watch lover and not a watch snob 👍👍
I agree. But the beginning with the automobile drive train analogy was a bit confused...
My grand pa had a gold 50's perpetual day date ROLEX...Its a hands down thingy...like Butch, but without it stickin up Chris Walken's ass😁😁😁
Simply put, watches from brands like Rolex, omega, Ulysse nardin etc would probably outlive their owner... and their grand children as well.
I don't wear a watch because I'm not a bellend.
@@abhouston1 I don't wear a watch because I don't have a job.FTFY!
I appreciated the fact he called Seiko a Lexus instead of a Toyota. Well done. Seiko has done so well for itself to position itself upmarket, it'll be rude just calling an entry level brand. Yes it has Seiko 5 which are entry level watches, but there's so much more in the brand portfolio that many people just don't look at
It’s a grand seiko not just a seiko, grand seiko is the luxury version which makes it the Lexus, the standard seikos where they are very much entry level, those are the Toyotas
I'd go to say that the Grand Seiko is still like a Toyota, but only the Century. Much like Grand Seiko is one of Seiko's greatest mechanical achievement, the Century is one of the greatest cars Toyota has ever made.
Agree completely. Casio and Seiko have made it clear that you don't need a crazy price tag to get an amazing watch. G-Shock and Seiko 5s are on the Lexus level for me.
Alba - Toyota
Seiko - Lexus
@@aidanpysher2764 nope, GS is definitely the Lexus and that's already underselling it. their spring movement is second to none and their finishing quality is at least on the same level as the top brands in the game, at least when comparing to watches that are even remotely in a similar price range. that 10k GS can give a 25k rolex a run for it's money quality wise
I am obsessed with watches, being a retired mechanical engineer and retired high school math/physics teacher. I don’t spend more than $300 on any one watch, and most of my watches are in the $100 - $150 range. They are a marvel of engineering and I consider most of them as little treasures you can wear on your wrist for a quick glimpse at genius and beauty whenever you choose.
What are some cool ones in the $100-150 range?
Beautifully said
@@kaifawcett498 check out orient and seiko they make good watches in that range
@@DODEN_YT thanks
@@kaifawcett498 my pleasure brother 🤝
Smooth-talking about a Grand Seiko but getting excited about his buddy's G-Shock; classy.
Price doesnt matter. Thecasio g shock is a workhorse and very high regarded among outdoor people. F91w is another classic iconic watch, despite it being 10 dollars one can get excited talking about it.
@700rwhp or he's just passionate about watches..
@@4emrys or a non-snob watch guy
That's the definition of a gentleman right there.
So what? Maybe he likes the G Shock more
Expensive watches are the best way to move large amounts of money across boarders without paying tax.
BUT IN MOST CASES YOU LOSE ON DEPRECIATION UNLESS ITS A SS ROLEX
Shashank Shukla who said the watch had to be new? Some pateks also hold their value very well.
As with paintings. Very very very expensive ones.
@@shashankshukla2012 you could say the same about 30 other brands
People actually does that?
I recently just got into watches because of the engineering. I was bored and the youtube rabbit hole began and came across a channel of a guy rebuilding 1800's pocket watches. I was fascinated with the mixture of engineering and artistry involved in watches and immediately found an appreciation for them. Now i'm hooked and look forward to getting my own quality piece one day
☝️☝️☝️..
That last "You gotta get buzzed in!" "OH GAWD!" killed me! lol
As a handyman I once did work for the MAERSK corporation. I did odd jobs at their main offices in denmark. At one point the secretary for the top CEO asked me to take a watch to the watchstore for repairs. I was allso given two pens that needed to be serviced. Expensive items.
Anyways, I made my way down to the fancy store in the expensive part of midtown and tried walking through the door but found it locked. Took me a while t relize there was a bell... Rang it... nothing happened. Rang it again... and then someone replied: what do you want' we don't selll to walkins and this is an expensive store.
I was like WTF?! buut managed just to say I was there to get a watch and some ink pens serviced...
She did't believe me and started questioning me about it.
Ultimately she let me inside, through what turned out to be like an airllock in space. close the door behind you before you can open the next. When I got in it was like being met by a wall of employees asking me where I got the stuff and basicly accusing me of stealing them...
I was like firstly I don't steal. secondly I am here to pay for them being fixed, not to sell stolen crap. Thirdly I have all reciepts from the owner, his goldcard, membership numbers and whatever else you might need, so cut your fucking crap and get working on it!
As soon as they realized what was actually going on they turned into superfriendly people doing everything they could to make it better...
I just had a helluva lot of fun being a longhaired metal dude who was actually able to put them in their place after they so obviously treated me as a dirty crook based on my looks... allthough my "elite powers" were only on lend from my employer, It was a lovely feeling seeing them scuffle!
great story lmao
Sorta reminded me of that Pretty Woman movie scene where she gets harassed in the store
POS snobs, worthless humans. Glad you owned them for a few minutes
The best advice I ever got about watches was "Don't get into watches."
If you´re not rich as fuck, that´s a great advice. All your money would go into watches and you could never do anythong else again.
@Benjamin Szemok if you have to ask why you'll never understand even if it was explained to you.
Honestly watches are great to get into as long as you know how much you have to spend on them. If one is only making 30k a year, then a >$500 budget can still get you some amazing watches. My Seiko SKX-009 cost around $300 and it's one of the nicest watches I own
@@SweetShawn999 I'm the kind of guy whose cell phone doubles as their time piece. When I did wear a watch I was in middle school and it was a cheap timex digital. It was the only watch that would fit my scrawny wrist. I've had nice watches in the past but I never really appreciated them and would get annoyed by it sliding up and down my forearm. No thanks, I would rather put my hobby money into knives or tie pins.
Very good advice. First its buying your starter watch, then its wanting a collection, then looking at investment watches, then buying to sell, gets to be quite the addiction. 😁
Watches are jewelry for men. They are one of the few accessories men can wear compared to women. It's not just time keeping. I got a Grand Seiko spring drive, it's amazing.
You could say that it is an accesory that has real purpose beyond looking pretty.
@@133774c05 wear whatever you like dude
"Watches are jewelry for men". I've always said this about watches.
Men can wear rings and chains
@@Snoop_Dugg chains can be a little bit tricky. I think everyone knows a guy with to much chains or to flashy chains around is neck haha ;p. So yeah men can wear chains, but carefull not to be to much.
Once he handed over the grand seiko spring drive, I knew he was an actual watch person. It honestly says a lot of good about of a person, that they would choose this over other options in the price range. You sir, are a true watch person.
The snowflake is a beautiful watch. A must have in the collection.
Grand Seiko fan boys are almost as bad as Rolex fanboys.
@@1517the_year not even close
@@hyedefinition1080 says they GS fanboy aye?
@@1517the_year Grand Seiko Fan boys make the smart choice, rolex are overrated and are ugly!!!
always nice to see Joe light up light a little kid about topics like this
I come back to this video every once in awhile. Used to be because I love watching someone be turned on watches but it's also a great example of how to handle someone that doesn't understand you yet. Instead of treating Joe like a moron or getting triggered and being a douche he just very respectfully schools Joe to a little bit of his game. It's a valuable lesson.
Truth. The art of teaching is the ability to inform someone without belittling them.
I need to remember to come back to this comment! I've worked at the same company for 5 years my coworkers still don't know me yet even when I offer up my interests they don't care to listen, even though I listen when they speak on their hobbies 🥺 I wish they would afford me the same respect I give them.
@@addiegraves3 sometimes you just get unlucky and end up working with antisocial or clicky coworkers. The good news is getting too close with coworkers is risky and can lead to good or bad things. On top of that you may just be a good listener and many people are not. They just want to do all the talking and people that are willing to listen get taken advantage of. Being a good listener is a double edged sword because though it is appreciated by some and extremely helpful, it leads to being used as an emotional garbage can.
I just think the way this guy gets Joe to go from "whatever" to watch guy in a matter of minutes is great. Another awesome example of that is the very first episode that Steven Rinella came on. Steven was so good at explaining his position and advocating for hunting that he got me and Joe both (and I imagine others) at the same time to go from thinking hunting was just kind of unnecessary and maybe immoral at this point to hunting our own first deer within that year. Steven wasn't trying to force his views or convert anyone, he was simply talking passionately about the thing he loved most and defending it against Joe being kind of silly and challenging a little bit. Joe did a complete 180 and is now one hell of a bow hunter himself. It's also just a really great Rogan podcast episode. Steven and Joe are good friends and Steven has been on many times at this point but that was the beginning. Steven also has what I consider the only good hunting show which is on Netflix now called Meateater.
We all used to be Joe. I grew up with no money. I would've never spent $100 on a seiko 5 when you can have something that's more accurate and cheaper. But when the bug bit it bit HARD!
What I like about Joe is his natural curiosity which leads to great questions. Joe asked the right questions to allow this guy to teach us all. It’s not an accident, he does this for all of his guests.
Real watch guys appreciate G Shock as much as Rolex. That GS hes wearing is bad ass.
Ya I didn't know anything about watches and I went to buy a g shock and was surprised how expensive they are
I will say one thing .g shock is not at all a style statement .it looks tacky and flashy.but the watch is great .but not at all suitable for all dress cide
I'd take a GS over a Rolex to wear any day. I'd put the Rolex in a safe for 5~10 years until I find a chump to sell it to 😂
💯, a place in the collection for all watches of every price and type. Need to appreciate each one for what it is
@@MiaogisTeas is take a Rolex if they ever decided to sell them at the Rolex store lol
Spring drive movement is insane absolute best movement out there
Best? Hell no
Quartz is more accurate
@@Rid_Of_Thee Not really
@@ekimandersom4478 objectively, yes. Machine watches lose seconds a day due to the fact that they need to be wound up. Quartz watches are battery powered making them more reliable and more consistent.
@@Rid_Of_Thee Yep and thats why they invented the spring drive.
Accurate as a quartz
I love how Joe went from being a watch hater to now owning multiple Rolex's, Omega's, AP's etc.
That’s what a quarter of a billion of dollars will do.
Exactly!!! He was with Dave last month and Joe was wearing an Omega Seamaster
It is very easy to get lost in the intricacies and artistry of different watches
There are thousands of watch geeks (I used to be one when i was a kid)
A millionaiare can decide overnight to make your collection look like a sand castle on a beach xD
Important life lesson? Maybe
@@slainbyblindThat’s like me wearing a Casio calculator watch. Actually I do own one lol.
I lost a Seiko Kinetic watch in a lake in the early 2000s. I went back with a metal detector 5 years later and found it! The mother fucker still worked too!!!!
B Caldwell insane
NoPain NoGain i smell something.
Pic or bullshit
Your profile pic screams liar/trump supporter.
R R R What does trump have to do with “losing and finding” a watch
I love watching joe go from "300 bucks!" Too really considering purchasing a 65 thousand dollar skull watch in about 10 minutes
Lmao
Lmao he’s such an idiot
That’s what watch collecting does
Chump change for Joe, these days....
@@patrickrichards4459 joe who
I love watches. I collect them for years now. Some I wear and some I just keep in the case and just admire but I love watch collecting.
Joe at the beginning: "watches are overrated, I don't care about these"
Joe at the end: "watches are amazing, I need all of these"
Rogan wears a 20 grand rolex cameron sea dweller.
@@Dildosoupnow he does lol
He just needed to listen the right person.
@@Dildosoup yeah it was a gift from the Fertitta brothers
@@Dildosoup be you TT. T
How to turn a non-watch guy into a watch guy in 18 minutes.
Less than 18 minutes 😂
Didnt work on me
Damn im HOOKED but broke
If i was rich i'd be hooked
Ngl if you cant afford a nice watch, get a flawless replica, obsess over it, strive until you can afford a real one lol
I have an old seiko 5 that my great grandpa gave me (he’s still kicking too! Turns 90 in February) it was appraised at ~$300 and it’s probably the nicest watch I will ever have, but they will always intrigue me! I currently collect knives which is my expensive hobby, but even then my most expensive knife is only just under $500 when that is still considered budget in the watch world 😂
It's crazy that I've met both of these dudes. Motivated them to be hugely successful.
You right, That's Crazy !
I had a GShock and one day working in a dairy farm a cow kicked me on the wrist. Anyone that has ever worked with cows know how that hoof comes up like it’s spring loaded. Got me right on the watch and the watch went blank. It came back on and normal after a few hours and honesty it probably saved my wrist.
i wish i had one on the outside of my knee when a horse kicked me
Haha that's amazing, does it still work tho? That would be hilarious
@@SAXONWARLORD1000AD lol 🤣
@@SAXONWARLORD1000AD😂😂😂😂😂
I like how Joe was starting to get a lil condescending until dude schooled em on how intricate, beautiful, and creatively designed they are
It's called marketing.
@empbac The same can be said for ANY luxury item though. In the end of the day people enjoy surrounding themselves with nice, pretty things. Aside from the aesthetics or the creative expression of wearing luxury goods, you're also underestimating the importance of status symbols.
@empbac I mean you can be annoyed and annoyed until you turn red in the face. But you're just putting your head in the sand and ignoring the reality of the world we live in. You don't even have to go all the way into "luxury" territory. The man who is well-dressed, and groomed will have advantages in society over the man who looks and smells like a hobo. A nice watch can be part of this overall package, but it can be something as simple as buying a half-decent suit.
@empbac I dont know about that. The world would be a much poorer place without Art, Beauty and Craftsmanship.
Irony: guy who says he finds luxury distasteful as he exploits modern technology to express his contempt. Remember, yesteryear's luxuries are today's expectations. Taking time off work is a luxury; indoor plumbing, electricity and household appliances are all luxuries. That roof over your head is also a luxury. Condemning "luxury in general" is to misunderstand the entire mission of the common man and the broader marketplace: to minimize labor and maximize leisure, a "luxury" achieved through the optimization of production. www.paradocracy.com/2018/12/the-economics-of-vintage-luxury.html
Both sides had valid points. Yes it’s true someone with an expensive watch could be just owning it to show off and feel it makes them superior. It’s also true someone could love and appreciate having something of such precision and craftsmanship and feel good owning something of such high quality knowing it will last.
To Rogan’s credit once he learned more he was willing to open his mind up and appreciate why someone would love owning these watches. Also credit to the other gentleman for not being defensive but accepting that it was okay for someone else to not understand him yet and took the time to explain his views.
He's not a watch snob. G shocks usually show whether they are or not. Liked him. He's an asset to the watch collecting community.
dude matt farah is the shit. reviews sports cars too,
i appreciate watches of all types. except an apple watch. fuck those
A true Horologist
The G shocks and the classic Casio are the only Casio watches I don't like.
Bad Xerge sock bro.
He has a grand seiko....I now know I can trust his opinion on watches.
dave g agreed, seikos are great
completely agree
Seiko is a shitter, no matter if you put Grand in front of it or not.
I know you're trolling but that is utter nonsense.
Go watch some archieluxury videos.
By hand... Just like 300 other brands.
My favourite is the Anonimo Chronoscopio Summer Edition on the bracelet. Had one and stupidly let it go to fund my horological addiction's next purchase.
So I thought I would be turned off by this because I just bought my first automatic watch but I thought both guys were great. One was knowledgeable and the other was willing to learn. That is why people love the Joe Rogan show.
I’ve collected world war 1 and world war 2 watch variants since I was in my early 20s, I get them in working condition but I don’t restore them like they were brand new. Scratches, dents, patina on the dial all remains. I want my watches to be able to tell their stories so to speak.
☝️☝️☝️.
*Man pulls out Grand Seiko*
A true connoisseur of watches this man is.
I love how Joe was ashamed having a G shock but Matt saying G Shock is an awesome watch! Yes because Casio has heritage. They may be the most affordable but watch collectors respect Casio!
I love Gshocks! They are not just affordable, they also look impressive!
@DiZ Zkl g shock are so practical and so durable, its so hard to hate on them, i personally love them
Pretty much every watch guy also loves G-Shock. It's kinda nice wearing a light, indestructable watch from time to time. Especially on mondays when you don't want to wind and set any of the expensive ones that stopped over the weekend lol. Monday is G-Shock day.
Casio is God tier. Look at the Casio Duro. Pure class.
@@troll2637 I know. I own one!
Thanks for the video. I'm an enthusiast, not a collector. So, while I admire the five and six figure watches, but I am grateful to have my Seiko, Tissot, and Mido mechanical watches.
I love watches. My grandfather loved watches and thus so did my father. I inherited his watch and started to build my collection. Automatic luxury watches 💯
Matt Farah: "It's a Grand Seiko Spirngdrive; it has a cool movement..." Understatement of the century. It's so ingenious and extraordinary, it's genuinely fantastic. Matt nailed it when he said it's one of the most unique and advanced mechanisms in a watch today. True that. And hard to appreciate fully without understanding how quartz and automatic mechanical movements actually work, or without knowing how astonishingly clever and persistent Yoshikazu Akahane was in bringing the movement to market after 600 prototypes over 28 years.
It’s also a shit investment
Watches have NOTHING to do with investment. And yes, Seiko is wonderful.
@@tjm5887 Not everyone buys watches for investment.
Don't think he's understating it, I think he didn't want to nerd out about it. If he starts going into the nitty gritty of things, the podcast gets boring.
Grand Seiko Spring Drive's are absolutely gorgeous
Watch enthusiasts are either really big snobs or really humble and down to earth, there is no in between.
most of them are snobs.
@@hyphenizm I wouldn't say most. True collectors are humble and looking to make friends to talk about more watches. It's those damn fanboys who think everything is garbage other than a damn rolex
@@rtime4269 I agree. I'm no collector because I don't have money but I've been into watches since I was a kid. After being in a couple Facebook watch groups it seems like the guys who really have wealth and just love watches aren't the snobs. The snobs are usually guys that don't even have a nice watch nor could they afford one but they like to pretend. I remember one of the worst offenders was this guy that pretended to be this baller and he would shit on everyone's watch no matter what. His newly ex girlfriend exposed him as having only a couple decent watches that he was currently in debt to pay for.
watch enthusiasts as CASIO lovers are humble, nor rockstars, cheap, and like beers..
@@rtime4269 as a watch collector and enthusiast, you are right
Like fashion or cars, the arrogant posers are so very easy to tell and are usually the ones that brag everyday on social media about it
Plus watches are niche so when we find someone who likes watches we’re very happy to meet you
I never even heard of Grand Seiko before watching this. Now I own one. Dope.
I know nothing about watches, but I loved every second of this video.. it's not about the topic, it's about the passion
You can get the Flat Earth version of that watch for $40
Nice.
Brilliant. TY for that.
Flat earth belivers discount?
Ya and no matter what angle you look at it, it always says 12:00. Perspective man. All I’m saying is look into it.
Fucking brilliant, thanks for the LOL.
You know Joe's getting the liquid skull watch thanks to that new spotify deal
Hahaha hes been worth 50mil haha, amusing seeing him act poor for an entire video
he was always rich
@@rover5058 dude everyone knows, but with an extra $100 million you can splurge a little and get that kind of watch without remorse.
@@verguchispuchis9913 lol
@@muniz27 exactly
joe thought that watches are expensive like fashion clothes but discovered the engineering behind it, i dont collect watches but i was always fascinated by the complications and craftsmanship of watch makers
I myself am a watch fan and I think what draws me to them more than anything else is the fact that it takes such a simple universal truth and encapsulates it in a compact, precise way. I’m a big fan of that general concept as it extends to many different forms of art - Newton’s Cradles, Bonsai Trees, Terrariums, etc. The reason why watches are so awesome to me is because there’s something very beautiful about being able to visualize time progressing slowly in such a smooth and direct fashion. Anyone who owns an expensive watch purely for the price or for status is a fucking idiot and probably doesn’t actually like watches. Similar to how lots of folks who drive Lambos don’t actually have an appreciation for the incredible details that go into those cars.
@michael faulkner And honestly, that’s another angle I didn’t even consider. Just how important it was for us eventually develop a system to accurately track time.
Agreed ...more about the pride and craftsmanship , vs look what I have .
Agreed.
Very well said. I don't collect watches but theres something very special about them
I enjoy reading, I was a big Vince Foster fan until his untimely death, you sir can write 📝
Patek is a work of art ..... Rolex is a status symbol.... Seiko is great value for money!
When someone pulls out a Grand Seiko, I immediately think that the person is authentic and knows what he/she is talking about.
I would’ve been just as impressed if he’d pulled out an SKX. As long as it’s not a fashion watch or smart watch it’s cool with me.
The guy wearing it knew that other people would think that about him so he wore the Grand Seiko, see how that works!
@@punkoid76 well he cares alot about watches (purchasing a luxury watch) and knows some about the world because he didn't go straight to rolex which everyone knows of including non enthusiasts
I feel the same about people that buy and wear Master of G G-Shocks, like the Rangeman and Mudmasters. Too pricey for the average guy, not enough for the snob. And 100% incredible pieces of tech.
buy what you like.
What I have learned is most things that are expensive are actually really cool when you take the time to listen to the people who own those cool things who know what they are doing and talking about because if something is expensive, chances are someone really, really talented took a lot of time working on every detail of that cool thing.
How things have changed!!! Joe has one hellacious collection now. Love this look back!
Me: This guy knows nothing about watches
2:01
Guy: This right here is a Grand Seiko
Me: I'm a fool in a man's shoes
rofl sir
He called a "astromia" lol dude is talking out his ass about watches
I met the president of Seiko America and he said my Rolex Datejust was beautiful
hahahaha, i thought the same thing until he pulled his watch off his wrist and then i sat down and shut up
Hmm
I love watches. Its one of the few hobbies where there is virtually no barrier on entry for price and virtually no ceiling on price as well as virtually unlimited variation on the basic premise.
I love watches as well. I have 1 expensive watch (well i think it's very expensive and i couldnt afford to buy one) that was a gift for my 21st Birthday off my gf at the time. The rest of my watches are all under £1000 i particularly like seiko's and lately ive been liking some of the citizen eco drives. The watch my ex bought me was an A Lange & Sohne model lange 1 with a black face. I dont know what she (well her dad really she didnt have that type of money) paid for it but it could probably buy a new car for the same price. I wont sell for sentimental reasons because my gf was killed about 9 weeks after.
I totally agree. I've got a modest collection. Even some retro Casio's are cool to wear. Like you say, you can pick up something cool for like 20 bucks.
@@howey935 She was killed?
@@greekwatchcollector722 yes in a car accident
@@howey935 I'm so sorry...that is so sad. Take care.
The sweep of my spring drive grand Seiko is mesmerizing. The effort that it took to create it is endlessly inspiring.
☝️☝️☝️..
Fun to look at Joe's watch collection now, compared to back when this was posted!
Matt: "Dude, the whole case is milled from a sapphire."
Joe: "The whole case can go fuck itself."
Loved that xD
🤣🤣🤣 but sapphires are only second to diamonds in hardness.
@@hickivanhoe3855 Yes, but they are extremely brittle, I assume. I know that sapphire glass of significant size is, or at least was, nearly impossible to make, at least for electronics displays for that reason.
@@hickivanhoe3855 hardness means they don’t scratch, it doesn’t mean they don’t break
@@fireice8828 It's hard to imagine what you would have to do to break the sapphire on your watch. It would definitely break your wrist first
“You buy a Rolex to impress others, you buy a Grand Seiko to impress yourself”
Or....you buy a solid gold Rolex to impress others, you buy a steel Rolex to impress yourself” is how I view it too
@@MurdaOnYou yes and great investment too
No one cares about your watch but other watch guys. Just like cars.
@@_f30_b58 you buy it for yourself not other people what's the point of impressing others ?
And at the end of the day, you just bought a seiko for 5 grand.
I’d feel dirty if I ever did.
For 5k, you have so many options.... hell, you can even get a Jaeger LeCoultre for that price.
I JUST got into watches, though they were pointless a month ago with smartphones. Mechanical watches of course. But in this crazy messed up world we live in. I love the mechanic perfection of watches where everything is as it should be. I'm not a rich man by any stretch within the US, but I'm looking at getting an Open heart Orient Bambino watch, so I can watch the movement, I'm so excited for such a simple thing. It's great.
I’m in the same boat, hooked now😂 looking forward to my first automatic can’t lie
I'm on the same boat too. There's no limit to how expensive these watches get, even though a $20-30 quartz watch may do a better job of telling a more accurate time.
But if we gotta buy, it's better to buy a watch where we can see the inner workings.
I recommend exploring microbrand watches. They’re an interesting bang for your buck. Orient has some great pieces too!
@@hootonhoot Can you name some?
I watched nico’s video on JR’s watch collection. Needless to say JR is very humble in this interview as his collection is unreal
I got into watches 3 years ago. They're incredible. We as humans have a fascination with shiney objects and tiny moving things. It just makes sense for everyone to be into it. It's something that, today, is so unpractical but it's also something that shows why the world might be better if we were not so focused on hyper efficiency. You can have the most technologically powerful smartphone in the world but my $200 Orient open heart Bambino will always be more beautiful.
38mm bambino🥹
as human beings , why do we never see any women collecting watches or have watch channels or talking watches
@@SAXONWARLORD1000AD there are some.
alright mr baldasarre
@@SAXONWARLORD1000ADJenni Elle.
Two months after this was filmed Floyd Mayweather bought the Jacob & Co "Billionaire" watch for $18,000,000, I wish I could hear Joe reacting to that lol
you're paying for just diamonds
He did react with brandon
thats why this guy will end poor
@El Marmaduke420 for sure. Jacob is not a collectors watch like a rolex or patek
@@NotKimiRaikkonen jewelry is not an investment, the markup is retarded compared to the gold and diamonds contained in the jewelry. That 18,000,000 will never be able to be re liquidated because no one will ever buy it from him and if they did they would pay less than 1,000,000, and if he melted the gold down and sold the diamonds he would not be able to recover a fraction of that 18,000,000. Also art is actually usually a scam, usually rich people buy a $500 piece of artwork and they will claim it’s worth 50 million and donate it to their own charity, this way they can write off 50 million in donations to avoid paying taxes, their are other similar ways that they do these types of scams with art but yeah besides a few pieces of art none of it is worth anything and it literally is a scam for tax reasons. I’m talking there are maybe 100 pieces of art that actually are worth a lot of money and the rest are scams.
Joe: theres been no innovation in watches in the past 10 years
the rest of the video: watch innovations made in the last 10 years
Austin Bennett great observation
I think Joe was referring to functional innovations, meaning: it tells the time and it can't do that much better, whereas cars can get better fuel mileage, etc.
@@racewiththefalcons1 mechanical-wise I understood the conversation Joe started. But I can imagine Tim Cook losing his mind about the Apple watch.
racewiththefalcons1 I get what both you and Joe is saying but your argument doesn't really make sense.
"Watches tells time and can't do much better"
"Cars take you from A to B and can't do much better."
It's not always about _what_ they do, sometimes what matters more is _how_ they do it.
New cars get better mileage, new watches have longer power reserve.
New sports car get faster, new watches get more accurate.
Cars get new functions (thinking of gps, auto pilot etc), watches get new functions as well like moon phase, leap years (even though that might have been around for a while I don't know actually), automated time zone changes etc
New cars get lighter, new watches get lighter. (A bit of a stretch but you get the point)
Even though watches do a quite simple task, there's always room for innovation and improvement :)
@@racewiththefalcons1 Comparing regular cars to luxury watches is pretty fucking retarded for a start. Your average watch is a quartz watch or a smart watch, which get better all the time. Your average car gets better fuel milage and so on. Your luxury car gets more of the horsepower you'll never need, a higher top speed you'll never reach and you still can't fit two suitcases in there.
I have about 24 watches as of now. 9 of them mechanicals. Just love the engineering and craftsmanship.
My grandad used to say, if you are spending over $100 for a watch, then you are not buying it just to tell the time.
Watches for some are jewelry. How much do women spend on wedding rings?
*does it have a light?*
*didnt think so*
That was funny. I love my Seiko and will soon be ordering by first G-Shock.
Funny thing...I bought a Casio recently...not a G-Shock...just an inexpensive WR 100M. Nice looking watch that I won't be sad if something happens to it. I work nights and wanted the watch for work. I just assumed that it would have a light. It doesn't. I was like WTF? And the hands barely glow. I mean I can hold it under a crazy bright light for 10 minutes and then take it into complete darkness and barely see the hands. It's basically worthless to me at this point for a work watch. So yeah...that light (or well illuminated hands) is definitely something many people take for granted on a watch...at least a utilitarian watch. Now if I'm spending $5k or $10k or even more on a watch...does it have a light will probably be way at the bottom of the list of things I'd look for in that watch. Of course I'll never be in a position to buy a watch like that. I did splurge however and ordered my first G-Shock and it was less than $300 and pained me a little to spend that on a watch. But I feel like it will be a watch that will last me many years.
@@chadashton7029 Congrats on your new G-Shock! Can't wait to order mine. Still debating between the DW5600 vs GWM5610. I will definitely be ordering one right after Christmas with my work bonus.
@@atatkfighter Very cool. I ended up ordering the GWG-100-1A8ER. Had to order from Spain because it's not on the US market.
My watch has tritium tubes that glow for 20 years. Fuck off
This guy sounds so good with watches, and when Joe said "dude you should sell watches" and replied with "I have a watch podcast, it's called watch and listen", I immediately typed that in the search bar
What a down to earth sundial conversation! 👏 Especially for us watch freaks!
The ap double balance wheel was pretty groundbreaking. The precision is almost 40 percent more accurate than a single balance wheel
Make no mistake...G-Shock or not, Joe still has a submariner in his collection.
G-Shocks are the most durable watches in the world
@@bde1103 I’ve had a G shock I’d still rather wear a Rolex and look like a man not a middle schooler
Joe has a hell of a collection. Cameron sub, iwc, among others. He gifted a moon phase speedy to a guest in a episode. I believe Nico Leonard did a video on it
@@j.d.c.777 Oh so all the soldiers and the industrial workers look just like middle schoolers for wearing a durable watch? Get the fuck out of here. Are you gonna tell me that Jocko wearing a g shock is less badass than not?
@Top Lobster are you the tower gang Top Lobster?
Watches are like paintings in a way. They're not actually gonna physically do much more than a regular watch, its just that everything that goes into it is meant to be appreciated by the craftsmen/artists/connoisseurs. That it became a status symbol is what then allowed more experimentation/extravagance being built into them. The same cycle creates a great many tasteless grandiose examples, but sometimes amazing pieces of art are also created.
I believe it takes great imagination, & appreciation for such minut, & high levels of craftsmanship, to be lured into becoming a timepiece aficionado.
My greatest timepiece in my collection is a $700 pure Titanium Citizen Eco-Drive. Not exactly Robin Leach levels of extravagance, but no less an amazingly wondrous example of modern craftsmanship, & fancificationalism.
They hold value and can be passed down to the next in line. They tell a story too.
A really good mechnical watch like a Rolex, can almost keep as good time as your cell phone's clock.
This. I find the ones with planets and all really tacky and gimmicky, almost like cheap kid's toys. And they are hundreds of thousands of dollars, so only millionaires and billionaires can buy them. And those people are supposed to be classy and sophisticated. But these gimmicky watches look nothing like that.
The wealthy folks, the ones with generational wealth would often have an understated elegance, I always thought.
OWNING MULTIPLE TIMEPIECES SHOULD BE EVERY MANS PRIORITY
When you are in the military and timing is basically everything, you really get into watches. Consider the advances in technology of watches related to the military and they are all still used today.
The credit is due to the railroads. Keeping accurate time was critical so there wouldn't be a collision. You should check it out, very fascinating. The movements used today are based of the movement in the conductors pocket watch of yesteryear.
thats what collecting is, usage isn't always the key. however, its perfectly acceptable to want to collect whatever is in your dollar range, and its also acceptable for me to say about watch collecting.."what a colossal waste of time and money". both are absolutely right.
I think Seiko is the only watch maker that really made technological improvements that changed the watch industry: Quartz and Spring Drive.
No, look up George Daniels and his co-axial escapement
@@MusicAddict001 It was based on a ETA movement. Not on the same level
Oh, ffs, does it tell time better than $50 Timex? No. So fuck off, ffs.
@@RogueReplicant needless disrespect
RogueReplicant well actually, Grand Seiko Spring Drive does
Joe signs $100 million deal.... Where you going Joe?
Joe: I'm going to get an Astronomia.
can get one cheap here: www.jomashop.com/jacob-co-watch-as30040apaka.html?pt_source=googleads&pt_medium=cpc&pt_campaign=(ROI)+Shopping+-+Sale+Watches+$10000+-+$25000+(Week%20Back%20Order)&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqvylx8qC6gIVEo-GCh0R6gmBEAQYASABEgIjlPD_BwE
@@gregoryhoover5875 54% off, great deal, might pick up 2
@@thert.hon.thelordnicholson7261 Of course! You've got two wrists, right?
It actually tells the time for ppl on DMT and makes perfect sense to them.
Joe get's obsessive so just think of the watch collection he'd end up with 😂😂😂
I have watch collection that will probably never impress anyone but I like it. The majority of them are G Shocks and my favorite of them are a Mud Master that has served me well for several years. I’m about to buy my first smartwatch and I’ve narrowed my choices down to both Garmin watches and it’s between the Enduro 2 and the Tactix 7 Pro. If anyone has any suggestions or advice I would greatly appreciate it
I kept waiting for them to talk about the Ressence watch... which is amazing.
Watching this while wearing a $7 Casio watch is a humbling experience
Some have misunderstood the post to be some shame or inferiority complex, but its not, its just a comment on how a Casio isn't a Rolex, but seeing people rally behind the Casio in the comments is pretty cool, and one year later I wear it every day and I'm very content with it
F-91w?
Anthony S 😂😂 Yh that’s the one
@@KRKMre Still awesome watch, doesn't matter the prize
I have a 20 € Casio W800. The battery lasts 10 years, the wrist strap three.
Lmfao duuude go buy yourself a Master G shock😀
This video should be titled, Joe Rogan discovers horology.
hahahahaha. Agree
The Zenith El Primero 36000 VPH is my favorite watch every made.
Edit, let me be clear an original 38mm chronomaster.
☝️☝️☝️.
The Valjoux 7750 is one underrated movement and its great to work on from a service perspective. Used in a vast number of chronographs. A real workhorse which is an achievement on its own.
Dude I want a Zenith Defy 21.
Since you were so clear I will let that sink in..Dave
If something is beating fast is like runner compare to Walker. Wear out slightly quicker.
When I was a kid my parents took me to see Apollo 13 take off and I thought it was the coolest thing ever. So of course I statrted researching everything astronaut and learned about the Omega Speedmaster "moonwatch". Years later in the Marine Corps I was trained by mostly Vietnam veterans. They nearly all wore either moonwatches or Rolex Daytona, or seamariners. They could pick up any of those watches very reasonable while on leave in Australia, Hong Kong, Japan etc. I always told myself I would get one. Prices have changed since then......
You buy swiss movement watches or nicely designed automatics because you appreciate the ingenuity & the craftsmanship of the materials. Like wearing art
Exactly...well said.
Or then you really are into the mechanics and art of it and get a Grand Seiko, they beat the Swiss at every single aspect. Check a video on the history of Seiko/Grand Seiko and then the Spring Drive in particular if you want to be amazed.
noth606 Grand Seikos are great watches. No doubt. You don’t need to sell us on a Grand Seiko. There are many of us who are watch connoisseurs who may even know more than you do. Btw no need to put down Swiss watches. We don’t have to all like the same things. If people like a Rolex or a Patek ....great! If people like a Grand Seiko....great! If we all liked the same things and wear the same things...this world would be boring. The whole point of Vic’s comment was that we wear “nice” watches because we appreciate the complications, the engineering, the beauty of such things.
Also for the pussy.
It's like wearing art...... To you and other watch guys. Nobody else cares or even knows.
I’m into nice pocket knives, but this video makes me want to go down the rabbit hole of watches.
tip #1 about collecting watches, don't settle for a cheaper alternative...save up and wait to get the watch you really want. I made the mistake of buying an alternative, it was still a very nice watch, but I was always wanting something else in the back of my head the entire time.
I’ll second that. Save and buy, don’t buy a ton of shitty watches. So many people do this and it just a trap.
TKO593 do it dude. I’m a watch guy that knows nothing about knives, but I see a lot of people on Instagram that collect both. Some amazing entry level watches on the market at the moment that can help you take that dive. Check out Tudor Black Bay and the Omega Seasmaster 300- either the perfect first “nice watch”.
your pocket will hurt but u get childs smile EVERY time u buy 1
I remember that from Alice's Adventures in Wonderland.
I know a guy that spent $30,000 on a Rolex. I spent less than $1,000 for the same Watch and 95% of people can’t tell.
Grand Seiko took a lot of years to fully develop, and they are cool, and some say an advance. But the Spring Drive movement in a Grand Seiko requires a quartz crystal to function. In effect it is a quartz watch with an improvement in the movement - and costs more, much more than an ordinary $12.95 - $49.95 quartz watch from a big box store. The primary inventor worked on developing it for years without the quartz crystal, if I recall what I read correctly. When Spring Drive shows up in a Timex with the Indiglo feature, and at a price undder $50, then I might buy get one. But at current prices it is a luxury item for those who can afford luxury, not for people with a few thousand in savings but unable to afford a car payment and struggling to buy groceries.
A Grand Seiko...that’s how you know if a collector really knows their stuff.
Especially THAT grand seiko with the spring drive
Checkout the Grand Seiko Snowflake, it’s a beautiful watch.
It depends how wealthy you are. I love watches and if I had the means I wouldn't buy a grand seiko. Why would I buy a watch from a company that has watches under 100 dollars?
@@jp-fd6oq you don’t love watches, you love other people admiring you. If you love watches you have a seiko
@@glenbuyer8738 What's the point in gatekeeping watch collecting? It's just a matter of preference.
*Man brings out a Grand Seiko*
This video gets a like
Well grand seikos are the hipster watch collectors choice...
@@akallstar5 You’re out of your mind
@@akallstar5 Well, they do have quality craftsmenship. If they were being made in Geneva, they might go upwards of 40-50k
The Grand Seiko is expensive, but a huge value compared to their Swiss counterparts.
My dad is a watch collector. Rolex, Titan, Omegas etc. Gave me a bunch of Tissots.
For those new to Grand Seiko,as of 2024 the power reserve is on the back.
Seen through the exhibition sapphire caseback.
They've really cleaned up the dials as a result.
Seiko spring drive still has power reserve at 7:00.
he got hella street cred for having the grand seiko 😂
Renaissauced it's sad. Two hundred years ago you could have just bought Flavor Flav.
😂
Renaissauced no hes an idiot
U r an Idiot
Fikret Bafangulovic so are your parents for giving you such an atrociously difficult name
Grand Seiko owner here. Watches get to be an addictive hobby no matter what price point you are looking at. Once you learn about the different mechanisms and uses on top of being able to wind it and hear it tick, it just becomes enamoring. I can appreciate someone wearing a Patek Phillipe that costs 100k or a Seiko that costs 50 bucks, it's all about loving what you have on your wrist and using it for telling the time as a function.
Agree. Bought myself a Orient Bambino V2 rose gold this year to celebrate a good year at work. I’m new to watches so wanted to get something highly functional but I was drawn to the beautiful look. It’s a HUGE jump in price but I’ve got my eyes set on a Grand Sieko in the next year or two depending on achieving a couple goals I have set.
I love watches. I am fascinated with timekeeping and horology. I never payed for a Rolex, but won 2 of em from work over the years.
I watched a couple watch and clock repair videos and now I can't get away from this expensive watch craze.
I really like this guy, why are people hating on him?
I'm not bald enough to wear a watch.
zing
@brandenriddick
I like that. TY for the laugh.
I like you.
Joshua Jude not everyone who owns a watch is bald, BUT everyone who is bald owns a watch
I like the fact that Seiko, Grand Seiko and G-Shock got a shout out.
Damn if this guy wearing a Grand Seiko, he knows his watches holy.
Hmm
Okay, gaylord.
Not really. Not to say Grand Seikos aren’t beautiful watches but you can go way way deeper into it and far more expensive with Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, and Lange and Sohne
@@sinjon Price of a watch that someone owns doesn't necessarily correlate with someone's knowledge and appreciation for watches. Someone knowledgeable will pay top dollar for the heritage and history of a brand (Rolex), one will pay top dollar for the engineering (Richard Mille), and then you have something like a Grand Seiko that is very well engineered and beautiful while 'only' being in the $5-10k range. I dont understand the hate that Grand Seiko gets from some of these collectors and enthusiasts.
@@sinjon Grand Seiko is really for the hardcore watch lovers, it terms of complication. They just get hated on because it’s not some 300 year old company out of Switzerland. Movement wise they beat Rolex 9/10 times.