It really is an educational hobby. I started it at age 16 less than two years ago. Since then, I've learned CFD analyses and fluid dynamics, mastered CAD modeling, 3d printing, electronics, programming, soldering, laminating composites, and I even built my own CNC foam cutter at home. I can confidently say that I have not endangered anybody or their property, although I occasionally fly long-range missions with these 2m wingspan 3kg aircraft of mine. If this FAA remote ID BS comes here to Europe to my country, I will proudly be in non-compliance. The police can take away my equipment and drag me to jail, but I will sure as hell keep doing it. Thanks to this hobby, I am going to the army of Finland as a UAV operator, and am planning to become an aerospace engineer. Remote ID is going to kill the whole hobby and ruin it for everyone.
Honey, The FAA does not want to kill the RC Hobby. They want to kill you and me. The FAA like all other Alphabet agencies IRS / FBI / DOJ are NGOs (Not a Government Office). The FAA is a Corporation (Fascism). When you REGISTER anything to the Government, you have transferred LEGAL ownership. All of their Regulations are FRAUD, but the BAR Mafia (Attorneys / Barristers) back the Fascism up, because it was the BAR who created it. No Crime have occur: A CRIME requires: Victim (✓), Bodily Injury (✓), Property Damage (✓), Fraud (✓), or Mischief (✓), and Intent (✓) - Slaves (Citizens) are not allowed to OWN property.
I hate to say it but it's 100% OUR fault for not doing shit about it except for complaining about it on social media. That's the exact reason for social media's release in the first place!
The sad thing about remote ID and other rules to control our hobby is how complicite our national and local organisations have been in allowing this to happen. Don't comply, ignore all these rules and carry on as before. It's all about control -- of us. I have been flying models for 70+ years and I intend to continue
Like you I am 67 and have flown model aircraft since I was 10. No way I could afford to keep flying if all my rc's needed this new crap added. I am going to keep on keeping on!
@@MikeHammer1 Hi Mike, This is just another way for big brother to look over your shoulder and for what? Its not safety, my planes don't go very high maybe 100' on a rare occasion but they are always in eyesight. Plus when you get down to it, it's a tax on a hobby. I don't see the need for it in my area, because no one is living out here. I live in an area that is very, very sparsely inhabited, and few aircraft of any kind are ever seen. Plus, I am not going to be changing it back and forth in my planes, if you want to play the Government game, be my guest. I am done with others heaping on the Regs. for what? Its for profit, money, green grubby, money! They try and try to take our freedoms away and good people stand by and go along to get along. At 67, I am done with all this BS. If you still think that this is good idea then play along and get your tea taxed more and more. I AM DONE! One other thing, when will the military be installing this so we can see them? They are not going to do it. They crash a 100 million dollar plane and can't find the damn thing and I need a new piece of trash on my planes? WHAT! Lets be real, this is just another way that Washington wants to infringe on my pursuit of happiness well BS.
@@tpete61 Sure we do. About 1/2 of a percent of the population; just a very, very, microscopic voice. The good of the many out way the good of the few.
Mam,you are 100% correct.Pilot shortages are getting worse everyday.We noticed it during our 4th of July holiday.I fly a foam fixed wing model airplane and I have no intentions of complying.The only thing I did was take my TRUST test and get my certificate.But no aircraft registration or remote ID in my models.thank you and heap up the good work.
As an American, I agree with you 100%. We're tired of numerous over-reaches in many areas. Our government is no longer serving us, rather they are trying to rule over us. Not while I can fight back in any way possible. I wish you the very best from across the ocean!
As a validated red blooded male I'm a 'Merkin!¡! & ain't nobody got a right to surveille me while I'm surveillein. Our govt is out to get us but We The People are the govt so we're gonna get them…wait…wut¿
Agreed, but it is not the "government" you are thinking of. It is the BAR Mafia who hold office. An NGO is not government, it is Corporatism (Fascism): SCOTUS = BAR Mafia (Private Corporation) POTUS = BAR Mafia (Corporate CEO) Congress = BAR Mafia (See Fasci in House of Representatives) Attorney General = BAR Mafia (See Gold Fringe Flag) Department of Justice = BAR Mafia Federal Judges = BAR Mafia Are you seeing a pattern yet?
It is unfortunate that the reason for this ruling to be brought up is foolish people being irresponsible with their drones around airports. Maybe target those users
So true. The FAA used to state that class G airspace up to 400’ was unregulated space for UAS vehicles. What they are trying to do is a complete about face to that rule. See Alien Drones interview with an FAA rep to get a good idea of what the government thinks of us hobbyists.
If you believe it is the likes of Amazon, then avoid using their platforms, and tell them that is so. And also spread the word that these people are tracking everything you do - boycott them.
A person took the FAA to court early on and won. Republicans didn't like that and reversed that court decision in a bill that President Trump signed into law. That is why the FAA is in control of our RC airspace now. My point is that it's not the FAA that is the problem, they are doing what part of the USA government wanted them to do. Get Democrats to reverse that law if you want things to get better for us but good luck with that. Neither side likes to give up control once they get it.
@@fearlessleader1436 Hopefully the recent SCOTUS decision ending Chevron deference will stop the FAA from enacting any further restrictions. Maybe we might even see a reversal of the current regulations, but l am not holding my breath.
Moira, First, I'm so honored to share this hobby with you Second, thank you so much for your voice. Your ability to speak on this topic on an intellectual level is exactly what we need to push back against this overreach of government regulation. 💪🔥❤️
Thank you for posting this respectful and well-reasoned response to the unnecessary and unreasonable RID program. As a matter to negotiation, perhaps the FAA will reconsider the weight limits and release all hobby UAS under 1kg. This would not help everyone in the hobby, but for millions of us, it would allow us to fly without these added restrictions.
And what do you think about all thoses idiots buying drones, flying anywhere at anytime? Do you think regulation should be put in place to ensure the safety of the public? How could the FAA enforce thoses rules if they have no idea where the pilot is?
@@guillaumerinfret3252 Yes, that FPV stuff can be very dangerous and the pilot can be very far away from the UAS. So yeah, I can understand. But when a traditional RC pilot can be seen standing below his aircraft well, now we've moved into the area of ridiculous overkill.
Yea, I have been flying since 1987 with time off here and there. Sometimes for years. I couldn’t really fly when I was in the military, gone alot. But, I did build a few planes during the time I was in. Plus, there have been times trying to make ends meet where I wasn’t able to fly either. But, I always get my trusty trainer out before I fly my other planes…
I totally agree with you. I've been flying since I was a child. Today am 75 years old and fly both scale helicopters and 1.5m airplanes. Am a responsible RC pilot and never fly outside the rules of the AMA.
Very, very well said! As some one who lives and flies in Europe too, I see the absolutely the same coming as you described!! We need to act, before the individual national aviation organisations, EASA, and who ever else just only ever think about to do something similar! Thanks for fighting!
Beautifully stated thankyou so much Moira. The FAA are indicating the reason for slow FRIA granting progress is the mandatory environmental impact studies required for these areas. This sounds like just one of the reasons it's all going to be too hard for the FAA to process any new FRIAs after the first round. Time will tell, but you can see it coming. Besides, FRIAs are not the answer. It is obvious the RID system was rushed and poorly thought out. To place the onus of traffic monitoring onto the general public, in particular, those who wish to complain about seeing a UAV creates a very negative image of both the drone camera hobby and the traditional RC community. If Congress and the FAA really want the lucrative gains from granting delivery and taxi drones our airspace, the onus should be on them to provide their own traffic monitoring network and not be 'cheap skates', relying on upset people, armed with phone apps, to provide them their traffic and law enforcement data. At the same time potentially placing UAV pilots at risk of harm. The FAA should have had to spine to go tell Congress to 'shove it' until they could come up with a sensible idea for traffic and security management.
"It is obvious the RID system was rushed and poorly thought out." I would put forward there wasn't even a single coherent thought involved in any of the process.
Thank you for your comments. One point I rarely hear is how wonderful FPV Quadcopters and fixed wing RC craft are for those of us confined in wheelchairs. Since taking up this hobby, I've been able to see things and "go places" I never was able to do before. As you point out, it may not be safe for me to broadcast my location when flying my dji fpv quad or my fixed wings. My aircraft already has ID markings on in in compliance with previous rules, so if I crashed finding me would not likely be an issue, but given that the quad and its battery costs around $600 and the electronics in my fixed wing craft takes so much time, effort and money, I am disinclined to take any risk of and "unplanned landing" in a spot I cannot reach in my motorized wheel chair. I am a responsible adult and neither myself not the public need government bureaucrats to monitor my behavior is such an overbroad manner. Restrict flying near airports and limit altitude ... that's reasonable. Keeping me away from stadiums and crowds may also be reasonable, but restricting my use in all airspace unless I comply with a rather costly and dubious electronic monitoring regulation is an arbitrary and capricious violation of my rights by a unelected and largely unaccountable government agency which should be focusing it resources on much more important issues than me and those like me flying our toy aircraft or sightseeing with our FPV quadrocopters.
You make some very valid points. I am glad that flying model aircraft has enable you to make better use of your different abilities. Well done and good luck for the future.
Thank you for the spotlight on these concerns. It's interesting how regulators routinely ignore facts and history to exercise their elected power of place.
I 99% agree with everything you said here, and the only thing i would add is that its not just so big business can collect data but also so it can free up the airspace for their drone services like drone deliveries etc. Rule of thumb always follow the money, and by increasing drone deliveries Amazon (for example) can cut a lot of human jobs and thereby increase profits by a large factor since labor accounts for the largest share of expenses.
@MoiraOBrien that's awesome! And thank you for putting this out and explaining the issues with remote ID to the uninformed; especially in such a short video that won't lose those with short attention spans.
The FAA will never repeal remote ID no matter how many drone enthusiasts stand up on social media. Drone videos up at several thousand feet made by a few have sealed the fate of the many…
Don't know about that. Little DJI's that weigh less than 250 grams aren't required to "remote ID". Having said that, it is appalling that a non-elected body, FAA, can pass regulations that affect our rights!
Back in the 70s I caught the rc bug. Back then we built our model planes from kits.The hobby taught me an awful lot about aerodynamics, which helped me get into my seventh grade science fair. I can't tell you how proud my parents were at the time. It's a awful shame that this educational hobby is going by by!!
It is not the 70's anymore. Back in the 50's there were no speed limits on the highways. It is not the 50s or even the 70's anymore; time goes on, things change, technology changes, laws and regulations change. The RC unmanned aircraft hobby will likely not go "bye, bye" and might not even change that much. For the TRUE recreational pilot (fly just for fun, don't post the video) either go sub-250 or get 1 RID module and move from craft to craft; just factor in that one-time cost. Done.
Laws are not always permanent. Back in the 1970s it was illegal to drive over 55mph on us highways. That law backfired, so the us congress up the speed limit to 70mph on most us highways. All i'm asking for is a little more leeway on the 250g limit.
@@marcmears3398 Good luck with that. Yes, laws change, but not necessarily how we would like. The direction is more control, not less. I don't think that Congress will change the weight 250 gram limit for Recreational Exemption for not requiring registration and not remote ID. The current FAA REAUTHORIZATION ACT OF 2018 is expiring and will be replaced with the FAA REAUTHORIZATION ACT OF 2023. These are LAWS passed by congress NOT FAA regulations. It is the LAW that requires Remote ID,. The FAA is merely executing the law through regulations.
Remote ID is just them trying to fix a problem that bad decision making led to in the first place. They screwed up when they declared that all drones are aircraft regulated by the FAA. Since they are aircraft, if someone is doing something nefarious with the drone, you'll get a felony if you shoot it down. The US government has been making really bad decisions for about the last 20 years on pretty much everything.
Thank you Moira for making this very important video and sharing it. The key points are very concerning, as the government is ignoring the many voices from those in a hobby that have been flying free for more than 200 years. The earliest model aircraft known was unearthed in 1898 during an Egyptian excavation dates back to 200 BC. The first wireless controlled model (radio controlled) was demonstrated in New York City in 1898. Its inventor-Nikola Tesla.
Act 1 Will. and Mary, 1688, does not allow them to do this in the UK. Government is mandated to represent us, as our servant. When it doesn't, in ANY field, then it's acting unlawfully.
Thank you for adding your voice in this movement against over regulation, it’s really great to have a woman’s prospective I hope you have inspired more ladies to come forward with their voices, videos and views as we all come together as a community for the future of our hobby.
Thank you Moira. They always say it's safety and security. But it always costs personal privacy. I actually thought about potential death and injury from crashes. I'm glad you set that record straight
Thank you for your support with this crusade against Remote ID. Yes, it will end up in Europe if nothing is done. Everyone needs to be a sounding board with this.
This truly is alarming. If, and when it comes to my country of FInland, I am simply not going to comply. The police can come and drag me to prison. I still have over 60 years left on this earth, and I will not deal with this BS.
In Sweden a new regulation was installed a few years ago aimed at drones (and other flying objects). “Pilots” where to pass a test (on-line), pay a fee and get a certificate and then were instructed to fly in just those areas commissioned for drone flying and under certain conditions. However, hobbyists like my brother who have been an RC-pilot for, soon 60 years are also affected by these rules. Living in a remote place with neighbors miles away he isn’t according to the regulations allowed to fly his planes in that area.
I am 44 and been flying 34 years, I am instructor as well as board member at my field. I will not by any means put this in any of my many aircraft. This is obsurd as I follow all laws in my hobby. You are 100% right in your video and thank you for making. I will fly for the rest of my life as my hobby is my life. Mark my words never in any of my planes!
Spot on, ive flown rc models on and off for over 50 years and never an injury or damage to property other than my own models. I am not about to stop just because of overregulation by corrupt govs.
It’s not only about big corporations and government being able to track our every move for marketing opportunities, it’s primarily about freeing up all urban airspace for unrestricted commercial drone (package delivery etc) operations. Big corporations and big money - we just do not matter (except for being a cash source for those big corporations - just look at how Amazon etc profited because of government mandated “lock-downs” during the Covid debacle).
A wonderful and complete illumination of why remote ID is the wrong solution for a problem that doesn't even exist in model aviation. RC modelers poses the best safety record in aviation for as long as aviation has been a thing. Our record of safety wasn't won by government regulation, but by well meaning aviation enthusiasts, promoters, teachers, innovators, and leaders who early on developed and all along the way improved on safety guidelines and operational procedure communicated by leaders who teach by example and by publication. RC modelers are responsible individuals who pull aside folks who may be operating in a risky manor and prescribe in the Do no harm attitude for the safety of others and the responsibility of continuing the hobbies safety record as evidenced by its statistically low insurance premiums. Thank you for your truth telling!
@spartan3299 thank you for your detailed response. There is so much more that I could have said, and may do in a follow up video but I wanted to keep it short.
To me it would make sense for larger drones to have actual ADS-B position broadcasting just so pilots with moving map displays can see where they are relative to their own aircraft. In uncontrolled airspace RID is entirely ridiculous, and ADS-B should only be required to fly more than 400 feet above ground level. LAANC makes sense as is, and there should be a serious fine for not first getting authorization to fly inside those controlled airspaces. Heavy traffic airspaces, such as around LAX, maybe there should be a requirement that all UAVs no matter the size have ADS-B broadcasting if they want to fly inside that controlled airspace. Height restrictions should still apply in those airspaces, maybe unless you also have proper radio voice communication with the airport tower just as manned aircraft are required to have to fly in those airspaces.
Basically I think there's a much more logical way to approach this utilizing a system that is already there for manned aircraft, and is actually required for manned aircraft to fly within ATC controlled airspaces. I see no real reason it can't be extended to UAVs, and the requirements made all but the same as for all other aircraft.
@@MoiraOBrien I think you are right to keep it short. It's a perfect complement to xjet's videos where he goes into a lot of legal and technical issues with remote ID. But for the ordinary part-time hobbyist and the general public yours is perfect.
Your experience is VERY different from operators of manned aircraft. There are too many RC aircraft which are operated in a hazardous manner. Remote ID helps reduce the very real mid-air collision danger irresponsible RC operators have created.
After more than 50 years of enjoying the hobby, building and flying all sorts of model aircraft, I have found it almost impossible to keep up with all the constantly changing rules and regulations, so I've decided to move on and concentrate on other interests. My late father was a WW 2 aircraft mechanic, we attended every air show we could and he got me interested with building my first 'stick and Tissue' models as a young boy.
In the UK if RID gets proposed then all hobbyists should refuse to renew their yearly registration and hit the CAA in the pocket. We can afford not to fly for a year (6 months usable weather anyway) and then see them come begging for us to re-register to fund their crap unrealistic rules.
It'll never happen. Those (like myself) who refuse to register are in a minority; the rest either give up or (more usually) just bend over and pay. And all our 'representitive body' the BMFA does is interpret the rules in the strictest possible way, effectively ban non-registered members from flying at affiliated clubs and then moan about the rapidly falling numbers.
6 months usable weather? When I was in the hobby, I used to fly all year round, only things that stopped me flying was rain , snowing, fog or snow on the ground.
My sincere thanks for making this video. One solution to this issue would be to pressure the FAA to raise the minimum weight requirement up from 250g's
I support the suggestion that the minimum weight should be raised to 1kg but as the authorities are calling this a “safety” issue, this will not help the airport incursions that already happen. The solution has always been to restrict the takeoff/operator position information to law enforcement.
The accent, plus the timbre and overall _Moira-ness_ has now brought *proper* Legitimacy and Authenticity to the Cause. I think I'm supposed to curtsy? Seriously, a great video and well read, ma'am.
You are too kind. However, I do have royal antecedents - my 32nd generation ancestor was High King of Ireland 1002 - 1014. So a curtsy would not go amiss LMAO
Everyone needs to realize government needs to be kept in line and not trusted or the police/nanny state will continue to metastasize with more and more authoritarian regulation of everything we do.
Thank you Moira, You put the message across with excellent clarity. The fact that fixed wing models are included in the ridiculously broad scope of the RID legislation is an absolute abomination and I absolutely agree with your point that where the USA leads, others will follow. Cross-compliance in aviation law is a virtually universal inevitability. With kind regards, Rob.
The inclusion of any rc aircraft in these rules, and only use a single weight class to divide between "we need to track you all the time" and "go ahead, we're not tracking you (yet)" shows there has never been a real risk assessment.
As I understand it, other countries still allow airline first officers to only have 250 hours and a Commercial certificate to fly, unlike in the US where you now need 1250 hours and an ATP which is now causing pilot shortages. Maybe theyll see how dumb RID is and wont implement it either.
@@G-ra-ha-m Superceded by the Parliamentary Bill of 1689, to which William and Mary were party, that recognises and reserves Parliament’s exclusive right to set law as they saw fit and therefore to govern. William and Mary agreed to that in return for remaining seated as monarchs and titular “heads of state.” So no, sorry, but you’re as incorrect as every other tub thumping originalist non-lawyer that’s been suckered down that particular rabbit hole. I’ll bet that you’ve got a raft of highly entertaining conspiracy theories too, that’s how most people roll who start quoting William and Mary law 1 in reference to oversight of Government without regard to subsequent acts.
Ahem. Licensed SEL IFR pilot here. SO very happy to see FAA taking responsible action. There is an inherit problem with how some RC craft are operated. The FAA exists to maintain airspace safety. This is a significant step in that direction, one I am very happy to see.
All the regulations in the world will not stop irresponsible persons from flying irresponsibley. Was it the FAA or CAA who DIDN'T do risk a risk assessment before bringing in these draconian regulation and does anyone know of fatal injury or hurt caused by model aircraft in over a hundred years of model flying?
If this was designed for Airspace Management it would use ADS-B so you could actually see the damn things in your cockpit. Unfortunately, RID does not use technology approved for use inside of an FAA regulated cockpit during the sterile phases of flight-when you as a pilot need it most.
Thanks for posting. I hope this is soon abandoned by the FAA. STEM programs as you mention will suffer as well. Eventually and unfortunately some pilot will be attacked.
Another 3 letter agency that answers to no one making "laws". Totally illegal in the USA, but they know that no one can afford to fight them to prove it.
Yeah. When you're flying, you're kinda vulnerable to pickpockets and other people who might sneak up and rob you or worse. And, children will be a target of these criminals too.
@@dmitryshusterman9494 irrelevant, it's not a reason to get violent. And no, you really don't have any right to the kind of privacy you're talking about. Aircraft have been able to spy on you for decades, and the only difference here is that the people doing it now, are less harmful than the people who've always been able to do it.
@@jasmine2501 yes, aircraft were able to spy on us before, but not a perverted neighbors kid with a cheap drone. And, what's violence have to do with it. Why does flying a drone makes your kid more valuable to an attack. Instead, it might prevent him from bugging neighbors
Agreed. It's a land grab - a small number of incomers evicting the existing population who have been operating in peace and relative safety for decades. It's interesting that the Australians are next.
Just for the record, you are right. I had planned on getting into RC landscape photography and it just because such hassle I decided not to get into it after all. But in support of the FAA, if a LOT of these hobbyist would behave themselves, stop flying over people houses and trying to look into their skylights, or spy on people trying to sunbath in the nude in the privacy of their own backyards, or just make a general nuisance of themselves, I doubt the FAA would have brought the hammer down in the first place. As it usually is, its the few bad apples that ruin it for all the others.
Thanks for making this video! I feel sick to my stomach listening to it and realizing that after five years of flying every single day and loving every minute of it this can be taken away from me! And what for!!! It has become an amazing part of my life traveling all over with my drones and photographing the beauty of our planet form above. I hope and pray this will be overturned somehow.
I am in the uk and i will never have remote id in my aircraft, i fly fixed wing, the only solution is for every rc pilot to not comply with this over regulation.
P.S. From everything that I have read, the requirement to keep the drone within Visual Line Of Sight has been in the FAA regulations since at least 2016. For FAA regulated airspace, ANY flight that goes beyond that (yeah, long range) is in violation. Plus, the ceiling for drones is 400 feet (about 122 meters). ANY flight that goes above that is also in violation. These regulations are NOT new, they just often get ignored. We talk about airspace like it is ours to do with what we want, but it isn't. Yes, congress granted the FAA with sole authority for ALL airspace (even 1 inch off the ground in your backyard) in the USA.
So a couple weeks ago there was a wild fire in Scottsdale. The fire was getting dangerously close to a row of houses and was spreading quickly. The fire bombers were called out to lay retardant. They had to hold off several passes because someone decided they wanted drone footage of the fire.
That's terrible but you're not going to eliminate that problem with government mandated equipment on RC's. You just can't stop stupid people from doing stupid things with stupid government regulations. Never have - never will.
So some cars can block the path of firetrucks, lets track and monitor all cars then. People can get hurt in their homes, so lets put a government monitored camera inside your house for your safety. How about a rfid tracking device strapped to you, for everyones' safety? Don't worry, it's coming, and you will vote for it.
@@Wavefront101 You should write fiction. Nowhere in my original statement did I say I support RID. I simply pointed out something that occurred where some drone knucklehead was not able to use common sense and it had a greater impact than you not being able to play with a toy.
Getting drone footage of fires is already very illegal. Alas, nobody seemed to consider that trying to push all remote controlled aircraft to use 2.4 GHz would make it impossible to use traditional Radio Direction Finding to locate the pilot. Therefore they have to invent this stupidity.
Great, Great video! Here in Australia our equivalent of the FAA, called CASA, has produced a request for submissions from the public on HOW (NOT whether) remote ID should be introduced in Australia. We have two months finishing on 23 July 2023 to get our submissions in. As well the damaging consequences Moira has pointed out, the New Zealander Bruce Simpson (xjet on TH-cam), who has posted below, has highlighted many others. We all need to act before it is too late.
Yes, I had heard of this from Xjet - not good news that it is not “if” but “how”. At the moment Europe and UK have not mentioned remote ID, but I have no doubt that they will soon. That’s why this campaign is so important.
You're Right.. Here's a truth.., Since at a very young age Through this Hobby is how my daughter and two sons became true pilots throughout college and now pilot real full scale aircraft in military and civilian. Where's the AMA?!
Remote ID doesn't just affect multirotor "drones." The FAA has declared ALL unmanned aerial aircraft to be "drones" including all traditional fixed wing model airplanes and conventional helicopters. The September deadline for a remote ID device has been postponed for another 6 months due to the lack of availability of remote ID devices. You're so right; it is overreach! Thank you!
Drone owners did this to themselves by constantly pushing the limits and refusing to self regulate. I was a Flight Nurse on a helicopter and we constantly dealt with drones flying without regard to our airspace when we would attempt to land at scenes of accidents and they would also loiter into airport property. On 2 occasions, our pilot nearly struck drones on approach (with critical patients on board) to hospitals. He would have to make evasive maneuvers- fortunately no one inside the aircraft was hurt. And several of the other aircrews had similar experiences. In addition, we were enroute back to base and we nearly struck a drone at 800 feet! From just my experience, it seems to me that at least some drone owners are very irresponsible- in the U.S..
Thanks for commenting on your real world experiences. This is EXACTLY why remote ID is needed and has been mandated. Like many things the bad actions of a few ruin it for the many. Remote ID is absolutely required for safety. The drone community should embrace aviation safety and not tout conspiracy theories.
You hit the nail on the head. Drones have been the deathknell to responsible RC pilots the world over because anyone can buy one and fly with no training and no responsibility.
Absolutely! Perhaps most RC operators are responsible. There are too many though who are irresponsible and endanger others. The lady in the video entertains fallacious arguments ignoring the very real danger RC drones present to manned aircraft. The FAA is doing the right thing.
Was thinking the same thing, down in Haulover outlet in Miami you have idiots with drones that are always filming boaters to then post on U-tube. It’s annoying to say the least, some drone users are outright jerks. Now we pay for all.
@@leeprevost7639Here in the US, drones over .55 lbs require a Part 107 license obtained from the FAA. When I was a kid we flew RC aircraft, far larger than most drones, out of grass school yards or the like. None of us had a license (they didn’t exist). I think the advent of cameras attached to RC planes and quadcopters are the reason for these changes.
To go a little deeper, with the stealth-like movement of quadcopters and the ability to film things from the air makes this mostly about control. When the fire in Lahaina burned down the town the government surrounded the area with large black fencing to not allow viewing from the outside and didn't allow Arial intrusion by drones over the area. Now there could have been many reasons for this but the cloaking of the area and secrecy seemed a bit much. Now that large companies are already involved trying to buy up the destroyed area makes it even more dark. It's the first I learned about "15 minute cities" I urge you to look up the term.
I've been flying RC airplanes in the US for about 12 years. The RID regulation is going make the hobby more complicated, more expensive, and of course far less private. Or more simply put: Less accessible. It's also a troubling limitation of our personal rights. On every occasion that my flying buddy and have flown our planes in public spaces when others have been nearby, people have almost always responded favorably, and sometimes enthusiastically. Occasionally an individual adult will be indifferent, but far more often we've received positive comments, occasional shouts of appreciation, and even a few rounds of applause. It's good for the community, and parents will bring their kids up to see the planes and learn more about the hobby. This type of activity is an excellent alternative to sitting at a computer or just staring at smartphones. Freedom to enjoy our local airspace should not be sacrificed to enable fast food delivery by air. I do think the regulations are targeted more at newer types of aircraft like multirotors and FPV planes. These types of "drones" can be flown well beyond line of sight, so it could probably be argued that there is more potential to abuse the airspace, and it is difficult to locate pilots who don't fly responsibly when they are miles away. They also typically already have two way communication and location electronics, so the burden of RID compliance is less. We line-of-sight (LOS) pilots fly our planes relatively close to where we stand. It is easy for authorities to locate us, and it's safe to assume that our aircraft is within a relatively small "bubble" of airspace. And unlike camera drones that often hover and fly predictably, RC airplanes fly much more randomly, so requiring LOS pilots to provide real-time location information of the aircraft is as pointless as it is burdensome. It should be enough to provide our location and assume a flying radius of something like 200m. Many of us have a large number of airplanes because the flight characteristics vary tremendously and the individual airplanes are far less expensive than camera drones like those from DJI. Adding RID electronics to all of my planes will cost thousands of dollars because most of my planes are relatively small, yet still heavier than the ridiculous 250g limit. There is *very* limited accessible space inside many RC airplanes, so a removable device that can be used in large number of aircraft is not realistic, which means repeated RID device purchases and custom installation in various aircraft. At the very least the rules need to be updated to match the practical realities of the hobby. Most LOS pilots fly large aircraft at official flying fields and therefore don't need RID. Smaller planes are flown in a smaller airspace and therefore need location of the pilot only since the delayed "real-time" location of a randomly moving aircraft is not useful. And finally, the RID weight limit for LOS flying should be increased. Many have suggested 2kg, but even 1kg would be a huge improvement since the weight/space/cost burdens generally becomes less significant as the planes get larger.
yes, FAA is not on our side. All good points, and RID is a total joke. It's ACTUALLY DANGEROUS! We already have a pilot shortage, and now we're going to make it even harder.
Keep your altitude under 400’ , stay away from airports and hospital heli-pads, don’t fly over groups of people , don’t fly in downtown urban areas or national parks ( 😮), and DON’T comply with RID. Just my opinion.
As a general aviation pilot flying light aircraft around the UK but also a drone operator as a photographer, I was on the safety side of the fence. However after watching this video I have to say I agree with you. I wasn't aware that Remote ID would also share the location of the operator, which yes - has massive privacy concerns. Remote ID is currently in consultation phase with the UK's CAA - so it is absolutely only a matter of time.
Just for clarification, Remote ID has been 3 years in the making. RDQ sued the FAA over Remote ID and lost. This is not really new, it is just finally going into full force. Also to clarify, the remote ID requires all drones OVER 250 grams to have the device installed. The Recreational Exemption provides for drones weighing less the 250 grams to be flown solely for fun with NO registration and NO remote ID. Also be aware that the Remote ID broadcast is short range Bluetooth or Wi-Fi. So, a person would need to be close enough to the drone to actually be able to pick up that broadcast. Do be aware that the Department of Homeland Security is working in conjunction with the FAA (the front agency). Nice video.
I'm not sure what is true right now, but I have heard from other youtube channels that there is no 250g exception now. If the is not then this Remote ID is far beyond ridiculous.
@@trottingwolf First, I would suggest that folks actually read the FAA regulations and understand them before making a rant video about something they might NOT fully understand. There ABSOLUTELY IS THE Recreational Exemption for sub-250 gram drones. I would think that most drone pilots know this already. Most of the TH-cam RANTS are incorrect in one or more aspects. They do not appear to have read the FAA regulations. They don't appear to have followed this over the 3 years in the making. Remote ID is SHORT RANGE. If you can't see the drone, then you likely can't get any information from it. These YT videos appear to be knee jerk reactions. The sad thing is that videos of incorrect information just make us look stupid. Plus, some of the hypothetical scenarios are really out there. Technically possible, but not necessarily probable.
It not "just a device" that has to be installed. It's the regulations of where and how can fly. That device is not just hardware, it's a beacon sending out unique identifier that is not obfuscated, so anyone can record and track it's geo location. It doesn't matter if turned on while flying, or on your workbench at home your personal location will likely be recorded. Since the identifier is visible, it could be easily cloned and used by an unknown party. They don't need to be near, once data is captured, it will be easy to aggregate and share online. Networks already exist listening to bluetooth and wifi devices. Such devices already track vehicle traffic to provide traffic flow info. For traffic the identity of individual vehicles is obfuscated, and there are regulations that limit how the data is shared (or sold). It has to be aggregated in such a way that individuals are not trackable. RID has not such restrictions.
@@AerialWaviator You might want to go back through the regulations of where and how you can fly that have been in place since 2016. Those regulations haven't changed. What Remote ID changes is a tool for enforcement. Flying Beyond Visual Line of Sight is a violation of the regulations that have been in place since 2016. Drones have not been allowed to fly outside of that range. By the way, the signal is short range and is NOT collected just because the device is on. Someone has to be close enough to the Remote ID to pick up the signal, know it is there, and want to pick up the signal. While there may be an assortment of networks that collect some information, the coverage is not near as great as you make it appear. There is NO blanket network everywhere that will be picking up all Remote ID signals. Maybe some day, but not today. Yes. The DHS would like it to be, but it isn't. One of the points to Remote ID is to be able to locate the pilot.
Part 1: According to my past and current research, the ADS-B transponder which is used on most, but not all, manned aircraft has a “clear” range of about 250 nautical miles and transmits on frequencies 978 MHz or 1070 MHz which can be received by towers designed to receive the signals and connected to some type of air traffic management system. By contrast, the Remote ID modules transmit on either the Bluetooth (4 or 5) or WLAN both of which are short range. The Bluetooth signal has an effective range that is less than 1K and is purported to be able to reach 2K in optimal conditions. WLAN has an effective range of about 300 feet (about 100 meters) outside. Some testing shows that these numbers are likely optimal and the actual distance is less. Consequently, these two systems (ADS-B and Remote ID) are not really comparable since they have no where near the same capabilities.
Thanks for the information! I have been flying drones for four years, having been a photographer for many years, I love the beautiful vidos and photos I capture! Of course at 74 I have limited enjoyment time left, I am so disappointed!
Part 1: According to my past and current research, the ADS-B transponder which is used on most, but not all, manned aircraft has a “clear” range of about 250 nautical miles and transmits on frequencies 978 MHz or 1070 MHz which can be received by towers designed to receive the signals and connected to some type of air traffic management system. By contrast, the Remote ID modules transmit on either the Bluetooth (4 or 5) or WLAN both of which are short range. The Bluetooth signal has an effective range that is less than 1K and is purported to be able to reach 2K in optimal conditions. WLAN has an effective range of about 300 feet (about 100 meters) outside. Some testing shows that these numbers are likely optimal and the actual distance is less. Consequently, these two systems (ADS-B and Remote ID) are not really comparable since they have no where near the same capabilities. Part 2: In researching UAS (drone / quad) Remote ID module detection devices and apps, I have not found any app that will detect the Remote ID broadcast beyond the module’s transmission range (about 1K…2K max). From some of the testing, most of the phone apps don’t work all that well and the phone must be decently close to the quad. So how does a drone in a rural area (miles from people) get detected when there is nothing within the broadcast range to detect it? Furthermore, there is nothing to indicate that information received on a phone app or other device is sent anywhere; neither automatically or manually by the user. So, how does this RID data get to any Air Traffic Management system?
I am a hobbyist, I fly occasionally for recreation with a DJI Mini (first version). I m not going to comply - mainly because I believe my sub 249g drone doesn't need to comply.
This hobby is one of the most wholesome family-friendly past times I've ever been a part of. Imagine if ALL fliers regardless of what we fly really united on this issue. It really is ridiculous especially considering the climate of the world we are living in. Violence and sesnseless killings in the cities. School shootings in the suburbs..violent protests in many countries. When we fly we are in the moment...we tend to be able to forget everything else that may be going on....we aren't hurting anyone.
I've met 3 pilots while flying my drone, not one was bothered they loved my flying and wanted to learn more, i've met several karens and kevin's who's main job is to walk their dog. Somehow they're the ones who find it dangerous and complain. going as far as walking kilometers out of their way to find me and complain.........no one ever talks to the guy with the nikon p1000 with miles of zoom....but our 140decibel drones are spy drones🤣🤣
Very well said, with weight behind your words. Where institutions fail us we need to step in and take responsibility as competent and considerate human beings. Thank you.
I didn't fly this year for the first time since the 90's. The AMA has done nothin to help us..... I would love to hear the community's input pertaining to this Fact.
Thank you for the video. This remote ID will lead to more flyers equipment being stolen, along with attacks on pilots and their vehicles and other equipment. It is leaving the pilot open to abuse. How long before we have a death of a hobbyist not killed by his drone, but because he was flying in a safe manor following all the rules and regulations of the FAA / CAA / EASA and was tracked down by his remote ID. Educate the public before making remote ID a regulation. Will remote ID be mandatory for all aircraft ie gliders, powered para gliders, hand gliders, hot air balloons and micro lights not just our hobby.
I’m very sorry to hear that maim ! However you are looking 👀 at the situation completely in reverse !!!! I am a huge RC guy mainly EDF Jets and very expensive drones. RID simply gives me just one more of many reasons to NOT COMPLY ‼️‼️‼️👌🏼I can’t believe the people simply do whatever these tyrants tell them to do ??? It’s very troublesome
Thanks for speaking out about this it's insane! Land of the free? 😂 We have thrown away so many rights by being ignorant to the schemes of business and government. I loved that you took time to mention youth and future generations of aviation enthusiasts. You would think at least some of the big wigs would have been children at some point in their lifetime, or maybe the problem is that they still are. Greedy, power hungry childre. Perfectly okay with selling out the population to business if it means kickbacks etc.
Thanks and NO we will NOT stand for this!!!!!! The government needs to STAY OUT OF OUR BUSINESS when it comes to our right to enjoy unregulated hobby that poses no threat to anyone other than THEM. They CANNOT Be allowed to do this to our Hobby. LET"S FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why fight? is that the answer to everything? get a gun? Just show them how dumb this is, they want to avoid Ukraine-style "issues" Because like it or not drones have been shown as a viable threat However crooks or attackers will not use store-bought software and will avoid all these regulations, AND they already do, to avoid geo-fencing etc.
Your business?? Who allows you to use the radio frequencies? The government. The public airwaves are regulated, as well as the public airspace. Without these regulations we would have complete chaos. The reality is that drone users created this need. Is it your business to observe other people's business?? No it is not! You invade other people's privacy and get away with it. But you think that's OK because it's "your business". But of course that's not really what is behind this. Your fellow idiot unregistered "drone enthusiasts" have flown drones in regulated airspace around airports and have created a hazard for regulated, registered aircraft. But you also have no business flying above government installations or my backyard, for that matter! But the bigger concern is simple hobbyist drones turned into weapons. Back in 2001, terrorists took over several commercial aircraft and flew they into buildings killing many people. Face the facts, it's relatively easy to strap an incendiary device and fly it into your target of choice. Only takes a tiny bit more skill to take a similar drone and fly it over a target releasing a similar weapon, or a biological one. That drone flies away and leaves no trace of who was piloting it. They are not doing this to mess with "your business" or to hand over the greater airspace to be corporations. They are doing this to protect the public and you are an idiot if you don't realize that people with nefarious intentions, have not already tried to use this technology to cause harm. No where in the Constitution do you have a right to fly a drone wherever you want. It[s crystal clear that "you folks" constantly trample on other people's rights and you do it with no accountability. This is about assuring some level pf accountability. And your response, duly recorded, suggests you may well be one of the test cases!! Grow up! The public airwaves and and airspace belongs to the public and not to you. Or would you prefer that the rest of us build our own anti-drone weapons to crash your drone flying in "our airspace". And when you come to retrieve it, we will, of course, have the right to stop you from trespassing!!! They are not trying to stop you from flying in unregulated airspace, they just want to be able to hold you accountable for what you do there.
I think drones are the reason the FAA has felt the need to pursue this. I don't understand the argument of being found and kit being stolen because if you are in fhe middle of a field with a plane, it's easy to work out who you are and what kit you've got so I don't see anything is going to change there. Here in the UK we have had near misses at Heathrow and Gatwick along with light aircraft reporting near misses. All these things have been drones I hasten to add, not model planes.
If you think this is going to kill the hobby you have no idea what's coming down the pipeline. On the radio on the way home from work today there was some twerp from Newcastle University going on about e-bikes and the batteries, and was demanding that online purchases of lithium batteries be banned in the UK due to some idiots making home made e-bikes and burning their houses down because they bought cheap junk. Imagine the impact of such a ban on this hobby if it were to ever happen.
Any thought about freedom from being monitored in ANY way is moot from the moment you have ANY thought of privacy in ANY way. Why even bother to worry about an FAA rule? So long as you have a smart phone, you have already WILLINGLY given away your privacy.
I am a currently student pilot with a PPL check ride scheduled for this month. In the past year, I have seen 2 drones at 2000 feet agl. This is a major safety concern for me. RC hobbyists are typically very safety oriented, but I think a few bad drone pilots have forced this issue to become more regulated. The solution the FAA came up with is not good. They probably should make the remote ID only activate above 400 feet. That would be more reasonable and keep the regular hobbyist from getting hassled by idiots.
My drone has a height ceiling of 120 - OK, I know that this is something that this is something I control but wouldn't it.male sense to give ALL DRONES a mandatory ceiling of 120m/400ft. Eventually all except legacy drones will be forced to comply. Anyone flying high that 120m/400ft should have the book thrown at them.
@@MoiraOBrien This is one frustrating issue that I ve ran into frequently with newer drones and the preprogrammed altitude limits. The area I live has a lot of steep canyons and dramatic vertical rises. I can easily fly line of sight while trying to check out a mountaintop or something, significantly exceeding the 400 foot above take off level say maybe 1000ft but without exceeding 400 ft AGL.
I'm a model flyer that also works for an airline and flies microlights. I'm all for safety but these measures go way too far. An altitude restriction of say 400 ft and no fly zones around airports for models is really all that's needed IMHO.
Good job. You carefully/politely checked all the boxes on xjet's list. Some questions/thoughts: • RID is going to happen. We’re too late in the regulatory process to stop it going into effect on 09/16. Lots of whining going on now, but where was everybody four years ago? When some of us were traveling to DC to meet with our Congressional reps, too many in the drone/RC aircraft world couldn’t be bothered. • It is difficult to garner the interest of most Americans on the concerns of what they perceive to be geeky hobbyists when we’re all busy catching up with the latest mass shooting (two yesterday). Or dealing with the continued equilibrium destabilization rendered by our plausibly corrupt Supreme Court’s repeated overruling of established precedent. • RID is only the beginning. The House majority (Republicans) has introduced HR 6572, the Countering CCP Drones Act. If enacted, HR 6572 will ban all drones manufactured by DJI in the US airspace, regardless of when those aircraft were produced or purchased by the end users. • Xjet’s list, which you so dutifully ticked off, misses a key element … What is his plan for when RID goes into effect? Cuz, I posit it will. We’re less than 90 days away from the moment. There is a lot of “wailing and gnashing of teeth” going on right now, but xjet’s plan seems to go no further than “raising awareness.” I respectfully suggest we’re past that particular move in the regulatory dance [and see the second bullet point]. Be well.
Thank you for such a thoughtful response. I agree that it is far too late to get the FAA to change their minds. I look on it from a European standpoint, living as I do in Ireland and with family in UK. Xjet has managed to stir up some noise, which I am delighted to see is gaining traction here on TH-cam. I am trying to promote it on Twitter as well. If we can get some press coverage then at least we can start a more widespread conversation. While it is too late for the US, the same is not true for UK, Europe, Australasia etc. We need to be shouting from the rooftops now.
Is there not one area that the government or big business do not want it run their way. It used to be that you could buy a junker car do a little modification and go stock car racing. That fun thing is now out of reach of the next generation.
Your best point is my only concern, I don't mind staying away from the airport, I don't avoiding flying over crowds, I have no interest in using my drone in a negative way at all. The only issue I have is the entire world seeing exactly where I am when I turn it on. If it doesn't start that way, it will end up that way.
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It really is an educational hobby. I started it at age 16 less than two years ago. Since then, I've learned CFD analyses and fluid dynamics, mastered CAD modeling, 3d printing, electronics, programming, soldering, laminating composites, and I even built my own CNC foam cutter at home. I can confidently say that I have not endangered anybody or their property, although I occasionally fly long-range missions with these 2m wingspan 3kg aircraft of mine. If this FAA remote ID BS comes here to Europe to my country, I will proudly be in non-compliance. The police can take away my equipment and drag me to jail, but I will sure as hell keep doing it. Thanks to this hobby, I am going to the army of Finland as a UAV operator, and am planning to become an aerospace engineer. Remote ID is going to kill the whole hobby and ruin it for everyone.
It's already present in Italy and I think in most countries in Europe, and DJI drones already have that implemented, we are screwed
Honey, The FAA does not want to kill the RC Hobby. They want to kill you and me. The FAA like all other Alphabet agencies IRS / FBI / DOJ are NGOs (Not a Government Office). The FAA is a Corporation (Fascism). When you REGISTER anything to the Government, you have transferred LEGAL ownership.
All of their Regulations are FRAUD, but the BAR Mafia (Attorneys / Barristers) back the Fascism up, because it was the BAR who created it. No Crime have occur:
A CRIME requires: Victim (✓), Bodily Injury (✓), Property Damage (✓), Fraud (✓), or Mischief (✓), and Intent (✓) - Slaves (Citizens) are not allowed to OWN property.
I hate to say it but it's 100% OUR fault for not doing shit about it except for complaining about it on social media. That's the exact reason for social media's release in the first place!
@@BubbaB43 That strikes me as an over simplification. The people who want total control need their priorities rearranged. That will take some doing.
Yup you’re absolutely correct. Unbelievable.
The sad thing about remote ID and other rules to control our hobby is how complicite our national and local organisations have been in allowing this to happen. Don't comply, ignore all these rules and carry on as before. It's all about control -- of us. I have been flying models for 70+ years and I intend to continue
I Second that!
@@mewrongwayKOCXF I second amendment that too.
Like you I am 67 and have flown model aircraft since I was 10. No way I could afford to keep flying if all my rc's needed this new crap added. I am going to keep on keeping on!
@FLHTdriver You can transfer the remote ID module between aircraft. Or fly without one at an authorized flying field.
@@MikeHammer1 Hi Mike, This is just another way for big brother to look over your shoulder and for what? Its not safety, my planes don't go very high maybe 100' on a rare occasion but they are always in eyesight. Plus when you get down to it, it's a tax on a hobby. I don't see the need for it in my area, because no one is living out here. I live in an area that is very, very sparsely inhabited, and few aircraft of any kind are ever seen. Plus, I am not going to be changing it back and forth in my planes, if you want to play the Government game, be my guest. I am done with others heaping on the Regs. for what? Its for profit, money, green grubby, money! They try and try to take our freedoms away and good people stand by and go along to get along. At 67, I am done with all this BS. If you still think that this is good idea then play along and get your tea taxed more and more. I AM DONE! One other thing, when will the military be installing this so we can see them? They are not going to do it. They crash a 100 million dollar plane and can't find the damn thing and I need a new piece of trash on my planes? WHAT! Lets be real, this is just another way that Washington wants to infringe on my pursuit of happiness well BS.
Thanks for speaking up Moira. Every voice counts and the hobby is finally finding its voice on this matter.
@xJet !!!!! Speed is your skill!
@@tpete61 Sure we do. About 1/2 of a percent of the population; just a very, very, microscopic voice. The good of the many out way the good of the few.
Mam,you are 100% correct.Pilot shortages are getting worse everyday.We noticed it during our 4th of July holiday.I fly a foam fixed wing model airplane and I have no intentions of complying.The only thing I did was take my TRUST test and get my certificate.But no aircraft registration or remote ID in my models.thank you and heap up the good work.
It was nice to see a woman chime in on this issue. We need more like you to spread the word. Thank you
I came to drone flying through photography - it is another camera, but a fun one. I havre been flying fixed wing though since the 70’s
As an American, I agree with you 100%. We're tired of numerous over-reaches in many areas. Our government is no longer serving us, rather they are trying to rule over us. Not while I can fight back in any way possible. I wish you the very best from across the ocean!
As a validated red blooded male I'm a 'Merkin!¡! & ain't nobody got a right to surveille me while I'm surveillein.
Our govt is out to get us but We The People are the govt so we're gonna get them…wait…wut¿
Agreed, but it is not the "government" you are thinking of. It is the BAR Mafia who hold office. An NGO is not government, it is Corporatism (Fascism):
SCOTUS = BAR Mafia (Private Corporation)
POTUS = BAR Mafia (Corporate CEO)
Congress = BAR Mafia (See Fasci in House of Representatives)
Attorney General = BAR Mafia (See Gold Fringe Flag)
Department of Justice = BAR Mafia
Federal Judges = BAR Mafia
Are you seeing a pattern yet?
Research Christopher Hauser.
It is unfortunate that the reason for this ruling to be brought up is foolish people being irresponsible with their drones around airports. Maybe target those users
@@areslegend9062 You really believe that?
So true. The FAA used to state that class G airspace up to 400’ was unregulated space for UAS vehicles. What they are trying to do is a complete about face to that rule. See Alien Drones interview with an FAA rep to get a good idea of what the government thinks of us hobbyists.
It's crazy that a 251g foam plane needs a transponder, but a manned ultra light plane can fly without.
If you believe it is the likes of Amazon, then avoid using their platforms, and tell them that is so. And also spread the word that these people are tracking everything you do - boycott them.
A person took the FAA to court early on and won. Republicans didn't like that and reversed that court decision in a bill that President Trump signed into law. That is why the FAA is in control of our RC airspace now.
My point is that it's not the FAA that is the problem, they are doing what part of the USA government wanted them to do. Get Democrats to reverse that law if you want things to get better for us but good luck with that. Neither side likes to give up control once they get it.
@@fearlessleader1436 Hopefully the recent SCOTUS decision ending Chevron deference will stop the FAA from enacting any further restrictions. Maybe we might even see a reversal of the current regulations, but l am not holding my breath.
Moira,
First, I'm so honored to share this hobby with you
Second, thank you so much for your voice. Your ability to speak on this topic on an intellectual level is exactly what we need to push back against this overreach of government regulation. 💪🔥❤️
Thank you for posting this respectful and well-reasoned response to the unnecessary and unreasonable RID program. As a matter to negotiation, perhaps the FAA will reconsider the weight limits and release all hobby UAS under 1kg. This would not help everyone in the hobby, but for millions of us, it would allow us to fly without these added restrictions.
10kg. screw them
A very important video that needs algorithmic support.
I've been flying fixed wing RC for more than 45 years, never had a safety incident.
Well, there was that _one time..._
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poor Bill.
and his horse.
And what do you think about all thoses idiots buying drones, flying anywhere at anytime?
Do you think regulation should be put in place to ensure the safety of the public?
How could the FAA enforce thoses rules if they have no idea where the pilot is?
@@guillaumerinfret3252 Yes, that FPV stuff can be very dangerous and the pilot can be very far away from the UAS. So yeah, I can understand. But when a traditional RC pilot can be seen standing below his aircraft well, now we've moved into the area of ridiculous overkill.
@@guillaumerinfret3252 🤮👎
Yea, I have been flying since 1987 with time off here and there. Sometimes for years. I couldn’t really fly when I was in the military, gone alot. But, I did build a few planes during the time I was in. Plus, there have been times trying to make ends meet where I wasn’t able to fly either. But, I always get my trusty trainer out before I fly my other planes…
Well said. Our hobby suffer. This summer I ran a drone program for STEM at a local high school. Due to RID the program is likely canceled next year.
In Spanish, FRIA means COLD. Certainly, it will have a chilling effect on RC flying of all types.
How appropriate!
I totally agree with you. I've been flying since I was a child. Today am 75 years old and fly both scale helicopters and 1.5m airplanes. Am a responsible RC pilot and never fly outside the rules of the AMA.
Very, very well said! As some one who lives and flies in Europe too, I see the absolutely the same coming as you described!! We need to act, before the individual national aviation organisations, EASA, and who ever else just only ever think about to do something similar! Thanks for fighting!
Beautifully stated thankyou so much Moira. The FAA are indicating the reason for slow FRIA granting progress is the mandatory environmental impact studies required for these areas. This sounds like just one of the reasons it's all going to be too hard for the FAA to process any new FRIAs after the first round. Time will tell, but you can see it coming. Besides, FRIAs are not the answer. It is obvious the RID system was rushed and poorly thought out. To place the onus of traffic monitoring onto the general public, in particular, those who wish to complain about seeing a UAV creates a very negative image of both the drone camera hobby and the traditional RC community. If Congress and the FAA really want the lucrative gains from granting delivery and taxi drones our airspace, the onus should be on them to provide their own traffic monitoring network and not be 'cheap skates', relying on upset people, armed with phone apps, to provide them their traffic and law enforcement data. At the same time potentially placing UAV pilots at risk of harm. The FAA should have had to spine to go tell Congress to 'shove it' until they could come up with a sensible idea for traffic and security management.
Very well put
"It is obvious the RID system was rushed and poorly thought out." I would put forward there wasn't even a single coherent thought involved in any of the process.
Thank you for making this video. I truly appreciate it. We must band together to fight this over regulation.
Fight? The fight was a year ago! You're late!
Thank you for your comments. One point I rarely hear is how wonderful FPV Quadcopters and fixed wing RC craft are for those of us confined in wheelchairs. Since taking up this hobby, I've been able to see things and "go places" I never was able to do before. As you point out, it may not be safe for me to broadcast my location when flying my dji fpv quad or my fixed wings. My aircraft already has ID markings on in in compliance with previous rules, so if I crashed finding me would not likely be an issue, but given that the quad and its battery costs around $600 and the electronics in my fixed wing craft takes so much time, effort and money, I am disinclined to take any risk of and "unplanned landing" in a spot I cannot reach in my motorized wheel chair. I am a responsible adult and neither myself not the public need government bureaucrats to monitor my behavior is such an overbroad manner. Restrict flying near airports and limit altitude ... that's reasonable. Keeping me away from stadiums and crowds may also be reasonable, but restricting my use in all airspace unless I comply with a rather costly and dubious electronic monitoring regulation is an arbitrary and capricious violation of my rights by a unelected and largely unaccountable government agency which should be focusing it resources on much more important issues than me and those like me flying our toy aircraft or sightseeing with our FPV quadrocopters.
You make some very valid points. I am glad that flying model aircraft has enable you to make better use of your different abilities. Well done and good luck for the future.
Thank you for the spotlight on these concerns. It's interesting how regulators routinely ignore facts and history to exercise their elected power of place.
Thank you for posting and showing support :)
I 99% agree with everything you said here, and the only thing i would add is that its not just so big business can collect data but also so it can free up the airspace for their drone services like drone deliveries etc. Rule of thumb always follow the money, and by increasing drone deliveries Amazon (for example) can cut a lot of human jobs and thereby increase profits by a large factor since labor accounts for the largest share of expenses.
I agree but in a 5 minute video I could only cover so many points. I will be making a follow up video later to cover this and "bad actors".
@MoiraOBrien that's awesome! And thank you for putting this out and explaining the issues with remote ID to the uninformed; especially in such a short video that won't lose those with short attention spans.
Lobbyist vs hobbyist ... follow the money!
The FAA will never repeal remote ID no matter how many drone enthusiasts stand up on social media. Drone videos up at several thousand feet made by a few have sealed the fate of the many…
Don't know about that. Little DJI's that weigh less than 250 grams aren't required to "remote ID". Having said that, it is appalling that a non-elected body, FAA, can pass regulations that affect our rights!
Back in the 70s I caught the rc bug. Back then we built our model planes from kits.The hobby taught me an awful lot about aerodynamics, which helped me get into my seventh grade science fair. I can't tell you how proud my parents were at the time. It's a awful shame that this educational hobby is going by by!!
It is not the 70's anymore. Back in the 50's there were no speed limits on the highways. It is not the 50s or even the 70's anymore; time goes on, things change, technology changes, laws and regulations change. The RC unmanned aircraft hobby will likely not go "bye, bye" and might not even change that much. For the TRUE recreational pilot (fly just for fun, don't post the video) either go sub-250 or get 1 RID module and move from craft to craft; just factor in that one-time cost. Done.
Laws are not always permanent. Back in the 1970s it was illegal to drive over 55mph on us highways. That law backfired, so the us congress up the speed limit to 70mph on most us highways. All i'm asking for is a little more leeway on the 250g limit.
@@marcmears3398 Good luck with that. Yes, laws change, but not necessarily how we would like. The direction is more control, not less. I don't think that Congress will change the weight 250 gram limit for Recreational Exemption for not requiring registration and not remote ID. The current FAA REAUTHORIZATION ACT OF 2018 is expiring and will be replaced with the FAA REAUTHORIZATION ACT OF 2023. These are LAWS passed by congress NOT FAA regulations. It is the LAW that requires Remote ID,. The FAA is merely executing the law through regulations.
Thank you for commenting on remote ID. It is a ridiculous rule that must be abolished.
It's already in place so it's here to stay
Remote ID is just them trying to fix a problem that bad decision making led to in the first place. They screwed up when they declared that all drones are aircraft regulated by the FAA. Since they are aircraft, if someone is doing something nefarious with the drone, you'll get a felony if you shoot it down. The US government has been making really bad decisions for about the last 20 years on pretty much everything.
@@Archer1182 we all know how rules go. . .
@@Archer1182 then everyone who wants to be considered true patriot will ignore it.
Thank you Moira for making this very important video and sharing it. The key points are very concerning, as the government is ignoring the many voices from those in a hobby that have been flying free for more than 200 years.
The earliest model aircraft known was unearthed in 1898 during an Egyptian excavation dates back to 200 BC. The first wireless controlled model (radio controlled) was demonstrated in New York City in 1898. Its inventor-Nikola Tesla.
Act 1 Will. and Mary, 1688, does not allow them to do this in the UK.
Government is mandated to represent us, as our servant.
When it doesn't, in ANY field, then it's acting unlawfully.
Good point Moira. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for adding your voice in this movement against over regulation, it’s really great to have a woman’s prospective I hope you have inspired more ladies to come forward with their voices, videos and views as we all come together as a community for the future of our hobby.
Thank you so much for making this video. The big money interests are doing a permanent airspace grab!
Thank you Moira. They always say it's safety and security. But it always costs personal privacy. I actually thought about potential death and injury from crashes. I'm glad you set that record straight
Thank you for your support with this crusade against Remote ID. Yes, it will end up in Europe if nothing is done. Everyone needs to be a sounding board with this.
This truly is alarming. If, and when it comes to my country of FInland, I am simply not going to comply. The police can come and drag me to prison. I still have over 60 years left on this earth, and I will not deal with this BS.
Remote ID is required in EU at the start of 2024. Self-built aircrafts are exempt, at least in the beginning.
@@jarno.rajala When it is mandatory for self-built aircraft, I will not comply. A lime has to be drawn somewhere.
They are after everything that leads to increased personal freedom and free will. They changed the name of it from communism to globalism.
Not in Europe. There are several EU laws making such an initiative illegal.
In Sweden a new regulation was installed a few years ago aimed at drones (and other flying objects). “Pilots” where to pass a test (on-line), pay a fee and get a certificate and then were instructed to fly in just those areas commissioned for drone flying and under certain conditions.
However, hobbyists like my brother who have been an RC-pilot for, soon 60 years are also affected by these rules. Living in a remote place with neighbors miles away he isn’t according to the regulations allowed to fly his planes in that area.
Very well spoken. You hit on a lot of the same points I did in my video, and there are SO many more points to be made.
I am 44 and been flying 34 years, I am instructor as well as board member at my field. I will not by any means put this in any of my many aircraft. This is obsurd as I follow all laws in my hobby. You are 100% right in your video and thank you for making. I will fly for the rest of my life as my hobby is my life. Mark my words never in any of my planes!
Spot on, ive flown rc models on and off for over 50 years and never an injury or damage to property other than my own models.
I am not about to stop just because of overregulation by corrupt govs.
It’s not only about big corporations and government being able to track our every move for marketing opportunities, it’s primarily about freeing up all urban airspace for unrestricted commercial drone (package delivery etc) operations.
Big corporations and big money - we just do not matter (except for being a cash source for those big corporations - just look at how Amazon etc profited because of government mandated “lock-downs” during the Covid debacle).
A wonderful and complete illumination of why remote ID is the wrong solution for a problem that doesn't even exist in model aviation. RC modelers poses the best safety record in aviation for as long as aviation has been a thing. Our record of safety wasn't won by government regulation, but by well meaning aviation enthusiasts, promoters, teachers, innovators, and leaders who early on developed and all along the way improved on safety guidelines and operational procedure communicated by leaders who teach by example and by publication. RC modelers are responsible individuals who pull aside folks who may be operating in a risky manor and prescribe in the Do no harm attitude for the safety of others and the responsibility of continuing the hobbies safety record as evidenced by its statistically low insurance premiums. Thank you for your truth telling!
@spartan3299 thank you for your detailed response. There is so much more that I could have said, and may do in a follow up video but I wanted to keep it short.
To me it would make sense for larger drones to have actual ADS-B position broadcasting just so pilots with moving map displays can see where they are relative to their own aircraft. In uncontrolled airspace RID is entirely ridiculous, and ADS-B should only be required to fly more than 400 feet above ground level. LAANC makes sense as is, and there should be a serious fine for not first getting authorization to fly inside those controlled airspaces. Heavy traffic airspaces, such as around LAX, maybe there should be a requirement that all UAVs no matter the size have ADS-B broadcasting if they want to fly inside that controlled airspace. Height restrictions should still apply in those airspaces, maybe unless you also have proper radio voice communication with the airport tower just as manned aircraft are required to have to fly in those airspaces.
Basically I think there's a much more logical way to approach this utilizing a system that is already there for manned aircraft, and is actually required for manned aircraft to fly within ATC controlled airspaces. I see no real reason it can't be extended to UAVs, and the requirements made all but the same as for all other aircraft.
@@MoiraOBrien I think you are right to keep it short. It's a perfect complement to xjet's videos where he goes into a lot of legal and technical issues with remote ID. But for the ordinary part-time hobbyist and the general public yours is perfect.
Your experience is VERY different from operators of manned aircraft. There are too many RC aircraft which are operated in a hazardous manner. Remote ID helps reduce the very real mid-air collision danger irresponsible RC operators have created.
After more than 50 years of enjoying the hobby, building and flying all sorts of model aircraft, I have found it almost impossible to keep up with all the constantly changing rules and regulations, so I've decided to move on and concentrate on other interests. My late father was a WW 2 aircraft mechanic, we attended every air show we could and he got me interested with building my first 'stick and Tissue' models as a young boy.
In the UK if RID gets proposed then all hobbyists should refuse to renew their yearly registration and hit the CAA in the pocket. We can afford not to fly for a year (6 months usable weather anyway) and then see them come begging for us to re-register to fund their crap unrealistic rules.
It'll never happen. Those (like myself) who refuse to register are in a minority; the rest either give up or (more usually) just bend over and pay.
And all our 'representitive body' the BMFA does is interpret the rules in the strictest possible way, effectively ban non-registered members from flying at affiliated clubs and then moan about the rapidly falling numbers.
It's pretty simple really, non compliance. And just get on with it. People are Oppressed enough daily as it is..!
In the pocket best way !. How will they police this ?. Six months clink for RC controller. Papers would have a field day. Regards. Dave
6 months usable weather? When I was in the hobby, I used to fly all year round, only things that stopped me flying was rain , snowing, fog or snow on the ground.
My sincere thanks for making this video. One solution to this issue would be to pressure the FAA to raise the minimum weight requirement up from 250g's
I support the suggestion that the minimum weight should be raised to 1kg but as the authorities are calling this a “safety” issue, this will not help the airport incursions that already happen. The solution has always been to restrict the takeoff/operator position information to law enforcement.
The accent, plus the timbre and overall _Moira-ness_ has now brought *proper* Legitimacy and Authenticity to the Cause. I think I'm supposed to curtsy?
Seriously, a great video and well read, ma'am.
You are too kind. However, I do have royal antecedents - my 32nd generation ancestor was High King of Ireland 1002 - 1014. So a curtsy would not go amiss LMAO
Everyone needs to realize government needs to be kept in line and not trusted or the police/nanny state will continue to metastasize with more and more authoritarian regulation of everything we do.
Thank you Moira,
You put the message across with excellent clarity.
The fact that fixed wing models are included in the ridiculously broad scope of the RID legislation is an absolute abomination and I absolutely agree with your point that where the USA leads, others will follow.
Cross-compliance in aviation law is a virtually universal inevitability.
With kind regards,
Rob.
The inclusion of any rc aircraft in these rules, and only use a single weight class to divide between "we need to track you all the time" and "go ahead, we're not tracking you (yet)" shows there has never been a real risk assessment.
Don’t expect the American Modelers Association to help out. They already rolled for the FAA in 2014.
As I understand it, other countries still allow airline first officers to only have 250 hours and a Commercial certificate to fly, unlike in the US where you now need 1250 hours and an ATP which is now causing pilot shortages. Maybe theyll see how dumb RID is and wont implement it either.
Act 1 Will. and Mary, 1688, does not allow them to do this in the UK. The government is acting unlawfully.
@@G-ra-ha-m Superceded by the Parliamentary Bill of 1689, to which William and Mary were party, that recognises and reserves Parliament’s exclusive right to set law as they saw fit and therefore to govern.
William and Mary agreed to that in return for remaining seated as monarchs and titular “heads of state.”
So no, sorry, but you’re as incorrect as every other tub thumping originalist non-lawyer that’s been suckered down that particular rabbit hole.
I’ll bet that you’ve got a raft of highly entertaining conspiracy theories too, that’s how most people roll who start quoting William and Mary law 1 in reference to oversight of Government without regard to subsequent acts.
Ahem. Licensed SEL IFR pilot here. SO very happy to see FAA taking responsible action. There is an inherit problem with how some RC craft are operated. The FAA exists to maintain airspace safety. This is a significant step in that direction, one I am very happy to see.
All the regulations in the world will not stop irresponsible persons from flying irresponsibley. Was it the FAA or CAA who DIDN'T do risk a risk assessment before bringing in these draconian regulation and does anyone know of fatal injury or hurt caused by model aircraft in over a hundred years of model flying?
If this was designed for Airspace Management it would use ADS-B so you could actually see the damn things in your cockpit. Unfortunately, RID does not use technology approved for use inside of an FAA regulated cockpit during the sterile phases of flight-when you as a pilot need it most.
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Thanks for posting. I hope this is soon abandoned by the FAA. STEM programs as you mention will suffer as well. Eventually and unfortunately some pilot will be attacked.
Another 3 letter agency that answers to no one making "laws". Totally illegal in the USA, but they know that no one can afford to fight them to prove it.
Yeah. When you're flying, you're kinda vulnerable to pickpockets and other people who might sneak up and rob you or worse. And, children will be a target of these criminals too.
@@dmitryshusterman9494 irrelevant, it's not a reason to get violent. And no, you really don't have any right to the kind of privacy you're talking about. Aircraft have been able to spy on you for decades, and the only difference here is that the people doing it now, are less harmful than the people who've always been able to do it.
@@jasmine2501 yes, aircraft were able to spy on us before, but not a perverted neighbors kid with a cheap drone. And, what's violence have to do with it. Why does flying a drone makes your kid more valuable to an attack. Instead, it might prevent him from bugging neighbors
Thank you for spreading the word with a warning tone without the hysterics. More people will pay attention (I hope).
Thanks for sharing the word about RID.
Excellent narration. I have no interest in RC it came up in my feed but you hooked me with straight and direct talk in a pleasant way.
Thanks for making this well done video. FRIA’s remind me of native Americans and reservations. Guess we are close to the trail of tears for our hobby.
Agreed. It's a land grab - a small number of incomers evicting the existing population who have been operating in peace and relative safety for decades. It's interesting that the Australians are next.
Drama queen much? Yes, you are on the brink of gas ovens because you can't remain anonymous while buzzing people.
Just for the record, you are right. I had planned on getting into RC landscape photography and it just because such hassle I decided not to get into it after all. But in support of the FAA, if a LOT of these hobbyist would behave themselves, stop flying over people houses and trying to look into their skylights, or spy on people trying to sunbath in the nude in the privacy of their own backyards, or just make a general nuisance of themselves, I doubt the FAA would have brought the hammer down in the first place. As it usually is, its the few bad apples that ruin it for all the others.
Thanks for making this video! I feel sick to my stomach listening to it and realizing that after five years of flying every single day and loving every minute of it this can be taken away from me! And what for!!! It has become an amazing part of my life traveling all over with my drones and photographing the beauty of our planet form above. I hope and pray this will be overturned somehow.
One of the most articulate presentations I've encountered on this subject. Thank you very much!
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I am in the uk and i will never have remote id in my aircraft, i fly fixed wing, the only solution is for every rc pilot to not comply with this over regulation.
I certainly won’t be complying ✊
Me either
P.S. From everything that I have read, the requirement to keep the drone within Visual Line Of Sight has been in the FAA regulations since at least 2016. For FAA regulated airspace, ANY flight that goes beyond that (yeah, long range) is in violation. Plus, the ceiling for drones is 400 feet (about 122 meters). ANY flight that goes above that is also in violation. These regulations are NOT new, they just often get ignored. We talk about airspace like it is ours to do with what we want, but it isn't. Yes, congress granted the FAA with sole authority for ALL airspace (even 1 inch off the ground in your backyard) in the USA.
So a couple weeks ago there was a wild fire in Scottsdale. The fire was getting dangerously close to a row of houses and was spreading quickly. The fire bombers were called out to lay retardant. They had to hold off several passes because someone decided they wanted drone footage of the fire.
That's terrible but you're not going to eliminate that problem with government mandated equipment on RC's. You just can't stop stupid people from doing stupid things with stupid government regulations. Never have - never will.
So some cars can block the path of firetrucks, lets track and monitor all cars then. People can get hurt in their homes, so lets put a government monitored camera inside your house for your safety. How about a rfid tracking device strapped to you, for everyones' safety? Don't worry, it's coming, and you will vote for it.
@@Wavefront101 You should write fiction. Nowhere in my original statement did I say I support RID. I simply pointed out something that occurred where some drone knucklehead was not able to use common sense and it had a greater impact than you not being able to play with a toy.
Getting drone footage of fires is already very illegal. Alas, nobody seemed to consider that trying to push all remote controlled aircraft to use 2.4 GHz would make it impossible to use traditional Radio Direction Finding to locate the pilot. Therefore they have to invent this stupidity.
Clearly delivered!!! Great job with creating such a clear picture of this situation.
Great, Great video! Here in Australia our equivalent of the FAA, called CASA, has produced a request for submissions from the public on HOW (NOT whether) remote ID should be introduced in Australia. We have two months finishing on 23 July 2023 to get our submissions in. As well the damaging consequences Moira has pointed out, the New Zealander Bruce Simpson (xjet on TH-cam), who has posted below, has highlighted many others. We all need to act before it is too late.
Yes, I had heard of this from Xjet - not good news that it is not “if” but “how”. At the moment Europe and UK have not mentioned remote ID, but I have no doubt that they will soon. That’s why this campaign is so important.
No organisation in the world takes any notice of public submissions! Carry on flying.
Several Federal Agencies want us RC flyers out of the air this includes DOT (FAA), DoD, and DHS. And Amazon is lobbying for this overreach.
You're Right.. Here's a truth.., Since at a very young age Through this Hobby is how my daughter and two sons became true pilots throughout college and now pilot real full scale aircraft in military and civilian. Where's the AMA?!
the AMA has never cared. they have always been stuck up self-interested snobs.
Remote ID doesn't just affect multirotor "drones." The FAA has declared ALL unmanned aerial aircraft to be "drones" including all traditional fixed wing model airplanes and conventional helicopters. The September deadline for a remote ID device has been postponed for another 6 months due to the lack of availability of remote ID devices. You're so right; it is overreach! Thank you!
Thank goodness
Drone owners did this to themselves by constantly pushing the limits and refusing to self regulate. I was a Flight Nurse on a helicopter and we constantly dealt with drones flying without regard to our airspace when we would attempt to land at scenes of accidents and they would also loiter into airport property. On 2 occasions, our pilot nearly struck drones on approach (with critical patients on board) to hospitals. He would have to make evasive maneuvers- fortunately no one inside the aircraft was hurt. And several of the other aircrews had similar experiences. In addition, we were enroute back to base and we nearly struck a drone at 800 feet! From just my experience, it seems to me that at least some drone owners are very irresponsible- in the U.S..
Thanks for commenting on your real world experiences. This is EXACTLY why remote ID is needed and has been mandated. Like many things the bad actions of a few ruin it for the many. Remote ID is absolutely required for safety. The drone community should embrace aviation safety and not tout conspiracy theories.
You hit the nail on the head. Drones have been the deathknell to responsible RC pilots the world over because anyone can buy one and fly with no training and no responsibility.
Absolutely! Perhaps most RC operators are responsible. There are too many though who are irresponsible and endanger others. The lady in the video entertains fallacious arguments ignoring the very real danger RC drones present to manned aircraft. The FAA is doing the right thing.
Was thinking the same thing, down in Haulover outlet in Miami you have idiots with drones that are always filming boaters to then post on U-tube. It’s annoying to say the least, some drone users are outright jerks. Now we pay for all.
@@leeprevost7639Here in the US, drones over .55 lbs require a Part 107 license obtained from the FAA. When I was a kid we flew RC aircraft, far larger than most drones, out of grass school yards or the like. None of us had a license (they didn’t exist). I think the advent of cameras attached to RC planes and quadcopters are the reason for these changes.
Whenever they say "for your safety", it means "for our control"
Very good effort, thank you
To go a little deeper, with the stealth-like movement of quadcopters and the ability to film things from the air makes this mostly about control. When the fire in Lahaina burned down the town the government surrounded the area with large black fencing to not allow viewing from the outside and didn't allow Arial intrusion by drones over the area. Now there could have been many reasons for this but the cloaking of the area and secrecy seemed a bit much. Now that large companies are already involved trying to buy up the destroyed area makes it even more dark. It's the first I learned about "15 minute cities" I urge you to look up the term.
Well said, great video - Thank you so much!
Well said. Thanks for speaking up.
I've been flying RC airplanes in the US for about 12 years. The RID regulation is going make the hobby more complicated, more expensive, and of course far less private. Or more simply put: Less accessible. It's also a troubling limitation of our personal rights. On every occasion that my flying buddy and have flown our planes in public spaces when others have been nearby, people have almost always responded favorably, and sometimes enthusiastically. Occasionally an individual adult will be indifferent, but far more often we've received positive comments, occasional shouts of appreciation, and even a few rounds of applause. It's good for the community, and parents will bring their kids up to see the planes and learn more about the hobby. This type of activity is an excellent alternative to sitting at a computer or just staring at smartphones. Freedom to enjoy our local airspace should not be sacrificed to enable fast food delivery by air.
I do think the regulations are targeted more at newer types of aircraft like multirotors and FPV planes. These types of "drones" can be flown well beyond line of sight, so it could probably be argued that there is more potential to abuse the airspace, and it is difficult to locate pilots who don't fly responsibly when they are miles away. They also typically already have two way communication and location electronics, so the burden of RID compliance is less.
We line-of-sight (LOS) pilots fly our planes relatively close to where we stand. It is easy for authorities to locate us, and it's safe to assume that our aircraft is within a relatively small "bubble" of airspace. And unlike camera drones that often hover and fly predictably, RC airplanes fly much more randomly, so requiring LOS pilots to provide real-time location information of the aircraft is as pointless as it is burdensome. It should be enough to provide our location and assume a flying radius of something like 200m. Many of us have a large number of airplanes because the flight characteristics vary tremendously and the individual airplanes are far less expensive than camera drones like those from DJI. Adding RID electronics to all of my planes will cost thousands of dollars because most of my planes are relatively small, yet still heavier than the ridiculous 250g limit. There is *very* limited accessible space inside many RC airplanes, so a removable device that can be used in large number of aircraft is not realistic, which means repeated RID device purchases and custom installation in various aircraft.
At the very least the rules need to be updated to match the practical realities of the hobby. Most LOS pilots fly large aircraft at official flying fields and therefore don't need RID. Smaller planes are flown in a smaller airspace and therefore need location of the pilot only since the delayed "real-time" location of a randomly moving aircraft is not useful. And finally, the RID weight limit for LOS flying should be increased. Many have suggested 2kg, but even 1kg would be a huge improvement since the weight/space/cost burdens generally becomes less significant as the planes get larger.
Any private pilot can tell you what the FAA mission statement is “We are not happy until you are unhappy “
unenforceable, the only people who will be punished are those who follow the regulation.
yes, FAA is not on our side. All good points, and RID is a total joke. It's ACTUALLY DANGEROUS! We already have a pilot shortage, and now we're going to make it even harder.
Keep your altitude under 400’ , stay away from airports and hospital heli-pads, don’t fly over groups of people , don’t fly in downtown urban areas or national parks ( 😮), and DON’T comply with RID.
Just my opinion.
If all drone operators had followed your excellent advice there wouldn't be the need for Remote ID. The horse is out of the barn.
Well done, that would be all it would take - until the 'kill joys' got their hands on it
Geez! Might as well not fly at all. 🤦😮💨
Thank you from Florida for making this video ❤
Thank you Moira for pointing out how remote id is a totally unwarranted violation of recreational model and quad rotor flier's rights.
As a general aviation pilot flying light aircraft around the UK but also a drone operator as a photographer, I was on the safety side of the fence.
However after watching this video I have to say I agree with you. I wasn't aware that Remote ID would also share the location of the operator, which yes - has massive privacy concerns.
Remote ID is currently in consultation phase with the UK's CAA - so it is absolutely only a matter of time.
Just for clarification, Remote ID has been 3 years in the making. RDQ sued the FAA over Remote ID and lost. This is not really new, it is just finally going into full force. Also to clarify, the remote ID requires all drones OVER 250 grams to have the device installed. The Recreational Exemption provides for drones weighing less the 250 grams to be flown solely for fun with NO registration and NO remote ID. Also be aware that the Remote ID broadcast is short range Bluetooth or Wi-Fi. So, a person would need to be close enough to the drone to actually be able to pick up that broadcast. Do be aware that the Department of Homeland Security is working in conjunction with the FAA (the front agency). Nice video.
I'm not sure what is true right now, but I have heard from other youtube channels that there is no 250g exception now. If the is not then this Remote ID is far beyond ridiculous.
@@trottingwolf First, I would suggest that folks actually read the FAA regulations and understand them before making a rant video about something they might NOT fully understand. There ABSOLUTELY IS THE Recreational Exemption for sub-250 gram drones. I would think that most drone pilots know this already. Most of the TH-cam RANTS are incorrect in one or more aspects. They do not appear to have read the FAA regulations. They don't appear to have followed this over the 3 years in the making. Remote ID is SHORT RANGE. If you can't see the drone, then you likely can't get any information from it. These YT videos appear to be knee jerk reactions. The sad thing is that videos of incorrect information just make us look stupid. Plus, some of the hypothetical scenarios are really out there. Technically possible, but not necessarily probable.
It not "just a device" that has to be installed. It's the regulations of where and how can fly. That device is not just hardware, it's a beacon sending out unique identifier that is not obfuscated, so anyone can record and track it's geo location. It doesn't matter if turned on while flying, or on your workbench at home your personal location will likely be recorded. Since the identifier is visible, it could be easily cloned and used by an unknown party. They don't need to be near, once data is captured, it will be easy to aggregate and share online.
Networks already exist listening to bluetooth and wifi devices. Such devices already track vehicle traffic to provide traffic flow info. For traffic the identity of individual vehicles is obfuscated, and there are regulations that limit how the data is shared (or sold). It has to be aggregated in such a way that individuals are not trackable. RID has not such restrictions.
@@AerialWaviator You might want to go back through the regulations of where and how you can fly that have been in place since 2016. Those regulations haven't changed. What Remote ID changes is a tool for enforcement. Flying Beyond Visual Line of Sight is a violation of the regulations that have been in place since 2016. Drones have not been allowed to fly outside of that range. By the way, the signal is short range and is NOT collected just because the device is on. Someone has to be close enough to the Remote ID to pick up the signal, know it is there, and want to pick up the signal. While there may be an assortment of networks that collect some information, the coverage is not near as great as you make it appear. There is NO blanket network everywhere that will be picking up all Remote ID signals. Maybe some day, but not today. Yes. The DHS would like it to be, but it isn't. One of the points to Remote ID is to be able to locate the pilot.
Part 1: According to my past and current research, the ADS-B transponder which is used on most, but not all, manned aircraft has a “clear” range of about 250 nautical miles and transmits on frequencies 978 MHz or 1070 MHz which can be received by towers designed to receive the signals and connected to some type of air traffic management system. By contrast, the Remote ID modules transmit on either the Bluetooth (4 or 5) or WLAN both of which are short range. The Bluetooth signal has an effective range that is less than 1K and is purported to be able to reach 2K in optimal conditions. WLAN has an effective range of about 300 feet (about 100 meters) outside. Some testing shows that these numbers are likely optimal and the actual distance is less. Consequently, these two systems (ADS-B and Remote ID) are not really comparable since they have no where near the same capabilities.
Thanks Moira, keep up the good work!
Thanks for the information! I have been flying drones for four years, having been a photographer for many years, I love the beautiful vidos and photos I capture! Of course at 74 I have limited enjoyment time left, I am so disappointed!
I have been flying for a bit longer - since the Mavic Pro came out - and I am a few years older than you lol, so there is hope yet :)
Excellent and well spoken!
Part 1: According to my past and current research, the ADS-B transponder which is used on most, but not all, manned aircraft has a “clear” range of about 250 nautical miles and transmits on frequencies 978 MHz or 1070 MHz which can be received by towers designed to receive the signals and connected to some type of air traffic management system. By contrast, the Remote ID modules transmit on either the Bluetooth (4 or 5) or WLAN both of which are short range. The Bluetooth signal has an effective range that is less than 1K and is purported to be able to reach 2K in optimal conditions. WLAN has an effective range of about 300 feet (about 100 meters) outside. Some testing shows that these numbers are likely optimal and the actual distance is less. Consequently, these two systems (ADS-B and Remote ID) are not really comparable since they have no where near the same capabilities.
Part 2: In researching UAS (drone / quad) Remote ID module detection devices and apps, I have not found any app that will detect the Remote ID broadcast beyond the module’s transmission range (about 1K…2K max). From some of the testing, most of the phone apps don’t work all that well and the phone must be decently close to the quad. So how does a drone in a rural area (miles from people) get detected when there is nothing within the broadcast range to detect it? Furthermore, there is nothing to indicate that information received on a phone app or other device is sent anywhere; neither automatically or manually by the user. So, how does this RID data get to any Air Traffic Management system?
Well said, and you are correct, RID regulation has already started spreading across the world. 😢
I am a hobbyist, I fly occasionally for recreation with a DJI Mini (first version). I m not going to comply - mainly because I believe my sub 249g drone doesn't need to comply.
This hobby is one of the most wholesome family-friendly past times I've ever been a part of.
Imagine if ALL fliers regardless of what we fly really united on this issue. It really is ridiculous especially considering the climate of the world we are living in. Violence and sesnseless killings in the cities. School shootings in the suburbs..violent protests in many countries. When we fly we are in the moment...we tend to be able to forget everything else that may be going on....we aren't hurting anyone.
Well said 😊 I have been flying since 1973 and do all kinds of rc
I've met 3 pilots while flying my drone, not one was bothered they loved my flying and wanted to learn more, i've met several karens and kevin's who's main job is to walk their dog. Somehow they're the ones who find it dangerous and complain. going as far as walking kilometers out of their way to find me and complain.........no one ever talks to the guy with the nikon p1000 with miles of zoom....but our 140decibel drones are spy drones🤣🤣
Very well said, with weight behind your words. Where institutions fail us we need to step in and take responsibility as competent and considerate human beings. Thank you.
I didn't fly this year for the first time since the 90's. The AMA has done nothin to help us..... I would love to hear the community's input pertaining to this Fact.
Thank you for the video. This remote ID will lead to more flyers equipment being stolen, along with attacks on pilots and their vehicles and other equipment. It is leaving the pilot open to abuse.
How long before we have a death of a hobbyist not killed by his drone, but because he was flying in a safe manor following all the rules and regulations of the FAA / CAA / EASA and was tracked down by his remote ID. Educate the public before making remote ID a regulation.
Will remote ID be mandatory for all aircraft ie gliders, powered para gliders, hand gliders, hot air balloons and micro lights not just our hobby.
No, Remote ID is for unmanned aircraft
I am with you Moira !. Remember Big Brother. No privacy !!. Thanks my love. Dave
I’m very sorry to hear that maim ! However you are looking 👀 at the situation completely in reverse !!!! I am a huge RC guy mainly EDF Jets and very expensive drones. RID simply gives me just one more of many reasons to NOT COMPLY ‼️‼️‼️👌🏼I can’t believe the people simply do whatever these tyrants tell them to do ??? It’s very troublesome
Beautiful, calm and powerful
Thanks for speaking out about this it's insane! Land of the free? 😂 We have thrown away so many rights by being ignorant to the schemes of business and government. I loved that you took time to mention youth and future generations of aviation enthusiasts. You would think at least some of the big wigs would have been children at some point in their lifetime, or maybe the problem is that they still are. Greedy, power hungry childre. Perfectly okay with selling out the population to business if it means kickbacks etc.
This breaks my heart. This is our life. Our passion.
Thanks and NO we will NOT stand for this!!!!!! The government needs to STAY OUT OF OUR BUSINESS when it comes to our right to enjoy unregulated hobby that poses no threat to anyone other than THEM. They CANNOT Be allowed to do this to our Hobby. LET"S FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How about them infringing on everything we do! The government sucks!
Why fight? is that the answer to everything? get a gun? Just show them how dumb this is, they want to avoid Ukraine-style "issues" Because like it or not drones have been shown as a viable threat However crooks or attackers will not use store-bought software and will avoid all these regulations, AND they already do, to avoid geo-fencing etc.
Your business?? Who allows you to use the radio frequencies? The government. The public airwaves are regulated, as well as the public airspace. Without these regulations we would have complete chaos.
The reality is that drone users created this need. Is it your business to observe other people's business?? No it is not! You invade other people's privacy and get away with it. But you think that's OK because it's "your business".
But of course that's not really what is behind this. Your fellow idiot unregistered "drone enthusiasts" have flown drones in regulated airspace around airports and have created a hazard for regulated, registered aircraft.
But you also have no business flying above government installations or my backyard, for that matter!
But the bigger concern is simple hobbyist drones turned into weapons. Back in 2001, terrorists took over several commercial aircraft and flew they into buildings killing many people. Face the facts, it's relatively easy to strap an incendiary device and fly it into your target of choice. Only takes a tiny bit more skill to take a similar drone and fly it over a target releasing a similar weapon, or a biological one. That drone flies away and leaves no trace of who was piloting it.
They are not doing this to mess with "your business" or to hand over the greater airspace to be corporations. They are doing this to protect the public and you are an idiot if you don't realize that people with nefarious intentions, have not already tried to use this technology to cause harm.
No where in the Constitution do you have a right to fly a drone wherever you want. It[s crystal clear that "you folks" constantly trample on other people's rights and you do it with no accountability. This is about assuring some level pf accountability.
And your response, duly recorded, suggests you may well be one of the test cases!! Grow up! The public airwaves and and airspace belongs to the public and not to you. Or would you prefer that the rest of us build our own anti-drone weapons to crash your drone flying in "our airspace". And when you come to retrieve it, we will, of course, have the right to stop you from trespassing!!!
They are not trying to stop you from flying in unregulated airspace, they just want to be able to hold you accountable for what you do there.
I think drones are the reason the FAA has felt the need to pursue this. I don't understand the argument of being found and kit being stolen because if you are in fhe middle of a field with a plane, it's easy to work out who you are and what kit you've got so I don't see anything is going to change there. Here in the UK we have had near misses at Heathrow and Gatwick along with light aircraft reporting near misses. All these things have been drones I hasten to add, not model planes.
If you think this is going to kill the hobby you have no idea what's coming down the pipeline.
On the radio on the way home from work today there was some twerp from Newcastle University going on about e-bikes and the batteries, and was demanding that online purchases of lithium batteries be banned in the UK due to some idiots making home made e-bikes and burning their houses down because they bought cheap junk.
Imagine the impact of such a ban on this hobby if it were to ever happen.
Any thought about freedom from being monitored in ANY way is moot from the moment you have ANY thought of privacy in ANY way. Why even bother to worry about an FAA rule? So long as you have a smart phone, you have already WILLINGLY given away your privacy.
I am a currently student pilot with a PPL check ride scheduled for this month. In the past year, I have seen 2 drones at 2000 feet agl. This is a major safety concern for me. RC hobbyists are typically very safety oriented, but I think a few bad drone pilots have forced this issue to become more regulated. The solution the FAA came up with is not good. They probably should make the remote ID only activate above 400 feet. That would be more reasonable and keep the regular hobbyist from getting hassled by idiots.
My drone has a height ceiling of 120 - OK, I know that this is something that this is something I control but wouldn't it.male sense to give ALL DRONES a mandatory ceiling of 120m/400ft. Eventually all except legacy drones will be forced to comply.
Anyone flying high that 120m/400ft should have the book thrown at them.
Pretty sure in the states we are already legally limited to 400 feet.
@@breckfreeride yes indeed. 0-400 ft for UAS and 500 ft and above for manned aircraft
@@breckfreeride yes. 400ft or 120m is a universal limit. Manned aviation is limited to above 500ft/150m
@@MoiraOBrien This is one frustrating issue that I ve ran into frequently with newer drones and the preprogrammed altitude limits. The area I live has a lot of steep canyons and dramatic vertical rises. I can easily fly line of sight while trying to check out a mountaintop or something, significantly exceeding the 400 foot above take off level say maybe 1000ft but without exceeding 400 ft AGL.
I'm a model flyer that also works for an airline and flies microlights. I'm all for safety but these measures go way too far. An altitude restriction of say 400 ft and no fly zones around airports for models is really all that's needed IMHO.
Good job. You carefully/politely checked all the boxes on xjet's list. Some questions/thoughts:
• RID is going to happen. We’re too late in the regulatory process to stop it going into effect on 09/16. Lots of whining going on now, but where was everybody four years ago? When some of us were traveling to DC to meet with our Congressional reps, too many in the drone/RC aircraft world couldn’t be bothered.
• It is difficult to garner the interest of most Americans on the concerns of what they perceive to be geeky hobbyists when we’re all busy catching up with the latest mass shooting (two yesterday). Or dealing with the continued equilibrium destabilization rendered by our plausibly corrupt Supreme Court’s repeated overruling of established precedent.
• RID is only the beginning. The House majority (Republicans) has introduced HR 6572, the Countering CCP Drones Act. If enacted, HR 6572 will ban all drones manufactured by DJI in the US airspace, regardless of when those aircraft were produced or purchased by the end users.
• Xjet’s list, which you so dutifully ticked off, misses a key element … What is his plan for when RID goes into effect? Cuz, I posit it will. We’re less than 90 days away from the moment. There is a lot of “wailing and gnashing of teeth” going on right now, but xjet’s plan seems to go no further than “raising awareness.” I respectfully suggest we’re past that particular move in the regulatory dance [and see the second bullet point].
Be well.
Thank you for such a thoughtful response. I agree that it is far too late to get the FAA to change their minds. I look on it from a European standpoint, living as I do in Ireland and with family in UK. Xjet has managed to stir up some noise, which I am delighted to see is gaining traction here on TH-cam. I am trying to promote it on Twitter as well. If we can get some press coverage then at least we can start a more widespread conversation. While it is too late for the US, the same is not true for UK, Europe, Australasia etc. We need to be shouting from the rooftops now.
Is there not one area that the government or big business do not want it run their way. It used to be that you could buy a junker car do a little modification and go stock car racing. That fun thing is now out of reach of the next generation.
Your best point is my only concern, I don't mind staying away from the airport, I don't avoiding flying over crowds, I have no interest in using my drone in a negative way at all. The only issue I have is the entire world seeing exactly where I am when I turn it on. If it doesn't start that way, it will end up that way.