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Exactly. The train is like the falling person situation on steroids. Or like a ticking time bomb that you don't really need any set up or exposition to explain.
Also, if you jump on a train to catch you breath, you don't need to drive or pay attention, so you can relax and unwind giving you an opportunity to talk between the characters because no one listen to other passengers on a train
It's true, but it's definitely more than that, because a substantial number of these involve trains that are unoccupied, or are like military trains only occupied by bad guys, or where the train and passengers aren't in danger, which is the case with most of the fights on the outside of trains.
This applies to more than just superhero movies, but trains also can't stop easily and are confined spaces which means that it's more obvious when new characters and elements are introduced without establishing how they got on board. This doesn't prevent hacks from doing it anyways but it makes it more likely that someone catches it during story development.
Now all we need is for Thomas the Tank Engine to transform into a giant mech and battle against a Godzilla-style Barney the Purple Dinosaur while being operated by Teletubby Power Rangers
-I think you forgot one. Ant-Man on the toy train.😄- I have no words, this was a great exploration of trains in these stories. I honestly never noticed just how frequently they are included in stories.
I must choo-choo-choose my words carefully! This is a fantastic video! I always enjoy thorough breakdown of something that seems absurd but makes a ton of sense!
"That light at the end of the tunnel? Guess what, that's not heaven. That's the C Train!" Say what you will about Daredevil 2003, but that's an absolute cold bar.
I'm a bit biased but Spider-Maguire 2's train sequence is my all-time favorite superhero/train sequence. Such an effective scene full of emotion and hope.
biased or not you’re not wrong in the slightest… that crazy camera shot where peter is swinging and it zooms out of Oc’s glasses… that was sick… using the speeding train and it’s surrounding areas as a battleground is sweet… fast moving, dodging each other and objects on the way, then the tension goes even higher once the train starts heading for the unfinished bridge.. it’s such a spider-man thing to do and such a spider-man thing to see him giving it his everything in order to save people … it’s amazing and no other movie has been able to replicate it
My favorite is superman & lois. When superman is presented with the choice of "capture this superfast teen who has no control over his powers" or "save people on a train", he chooses the train, because that's just the kind of guy he is. And the way he fixes the train is very smart, using his heat vision not just as a "blast of energy". It perfectly mixes Reeves/Routh heart with MOS scale.
as a story writer and (kinda) story boarder for games, setting a fight on a train is low-key my favorite thing to do i cant describe it properly but the constant moving nature of it, the need to keep moving and claustrophobia of it all makes it a perfect set piece for an action fight to take place on
@@thegooldash2443 Cheers bud, Im actually a writer myself too :) For my current wip I'm planning a fight scene on the London Underground, my mc has electric powers so when the power cuts off she's the only light source. Gonna be awesome hopefully lol
@@LexVanguard2004 love the sound of that ‼️ maybe make it take place between stations so it's completely dark except for your MC could have a really nice section where the antagonist gets the upper hand in being essentially invisible while the MC is in a direct disadvantage
Nice. I think there's another thing that you touch on in some of these. But the train is a place where you get a bunch of civilians who are a cross-section of society, who are thrown together by the circumstance, and who can't escape. So it gives stakes that the civilians don't have an obvious way to avoid, and the audience doesn't get to judge them at all (compared to, say, Joker holding a benefit hostage, well those are all super-rich gothamites so we feel some kind of way about them). And in Raimi's Spiderman 2, we see this deliciously reversed, where the regular people save Spiderman, and part of what makes that scene compelling is that it's this random group of people who didn't choose to be there.
I forget where I read this, so take it for what it's worth, but i once read that the "running away from the train" legend was that some members of the audience were being playful and thought it would be funny to "run away" from an "oncoming train."
As many other superhero tropes, they used a lot of trains in the first episodes of NBC's Heroes. The famous quote 'save the cheerleader, save the world' was said by Future Peter in a NYC subway, Hiro teleports the first time while dozing in a Tokyo subway, and Claire uses her regeneration powers to save people for the first time in a train crash fire. Later, we'd discover her biological mother caused the explosion.
What could probably fit in the "cinematic" category is the importance of the contents of a train. Often it's people to save, but it can be the microwave emitter in Batman Begins, or one interesting case: in Days of Future Past, the inactive Sentinels are being transported by train, which is where Magneto gets to them and infuses them with metal so he can control them.
I always love Nando videos, but this might be one of my favorite videos, not just of Nando, but the site as a whole, such a common concept elevated to a level that made me think long and hard about how incredible trains can be both metaphorically and visually! Thanks for this masterpiece Nando!
The “Christopher Plummer” joke at 5:26 was so clever it took me a minute to understand it. It’s a reference to the movie “All the Money in the World”, which originally starred Kevin Spacey (Lex in Returns) but was replaced by Plummer
@@Jansenbaker The joke is referring to Lex as Christopher Plummer. Most of that section isn't a joke (like you said, he's just listing off all the trains in superhero movies), but it is a joke when he uses the wrong actor's name on purpose.
@@nathanl8622 Ok, I misread it that Christopher Plummer replaced someone in Superman Returns, not realizing that's that one old guy I've seen mentioned before. I see now, he did it in another movie. But I don't see how him replacing the same actor connects to the Superman movie specifically. Like, just because it happened, and it was funny to remind you? Or was the situation reversed in Superman Returns? I've got a block here. Wait wait... is this even Superman Returns? Sorry. I don't remember
I wonder if a lot of it is referential based too. Like as you just mentioned, Superman and Spider-Man have a train scene in like all of their movies. It’s a wink and a nod to their legacy.
As a train enthusiast, I really love this video and I think it's one of your best yet. It's very well written and explores the topic in depth. I need more video essays like this.
The Spiderman 2 train scene, is still one of the best action scene ever in any comic book movie, and that movie released back in 2004!🤔👌 Sill holds up today!👍
Faster than a speeding bullet. More powerful than a locomotive. Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. I’d say all three of the items recur because they genuinely are incredible feats. Reacting to a bullet, stopping a train, and surviving a fall from extreme height all work as cinematic set pieces.
Very disappointed this video didn't include one of my favorite scenes from Defenders, which is a complete guilty pleasure of mine. In the final episode, Matt Luke and Jess need to get to Union Circle fast, the police are after them, and they have no money on hand. Then Jess pulls out her Metro Card, and it cuts to them quietly riding the subway at 1 in the morning. It's slow, it's quiet, the cuts are long but the camera is handheld, it's breather and tension, and Jessica Jones steals a can of beer from a passed out homeless guy which is very funny.
Oh man, I literally just now watched Blade and saw the train sequence. That reminded me that you had this video about trains in comic book movies. I was checking if you missed mentioning it, but you were right on the money. I never realized just HOW much trains are used in superhero movies. Now I can't unsee it..... lol
One of my favourite and funny train scene is in Wallace and Gromit: the wrong trousers. Just insanely fast action pacing, clarity of story, satisfying conclusion and just such a laugh. Spiderman 2 is arguably the best in a superhero setting, again the conclusion to which is just brilliant to watch.
I read the title and thought to myself "because trains are cool, and you can do a lot with them cinematically. it isn't complicated." It's kind of like how someone noticed a LOT of the movies in MCU phase 1 (and I think a few beyond) feature a plane having a single wing destroyed. There were news articles and whatnot being like "what does this mean?!" And I think the right answer is simply that it's the coolest way to destroy a plane onscreen, so it makes sense its a tool they'd use more than once. But I love the depth of thought you put into this question. This whole video is the right answer, and there's nothing simple about it.
I know it's not technically a superhero movie but everything in this video made me think of Bullet Train, which is sort of the ultimate train-based action movie, incorporating most of these elements into the story
I haven’t written a train into my superhero story (takes place in Washington dc, plus I don’t live in in area that relies on train travel, so I don’t have as much experience on trains to readily draw from in my writing) but I have written a fairly important train into a witch story I’m working on, and I’ve dabbled with the idea of the witch characters having to save their world so maybe it counts in the storytelling format of superhero stories
I was rewatching the 1979 classic 'Turkish Superman' with my family. And to my amazement, would you have it, there's a train sequence where two trains are going to crash into each other and Superman has to stop them. Mind blowing. Even rip-off cinema understands the power of a suprrhero train scene.
Superheroes have to be better/faster/stronger to “solve the trolley problem.” That said, it makes total sense that they almost always need to train in their respective media 🙃
Trains are the modern river in regards to liminality. Consider that in many Irish myths and legends, most battles take place at rivers. There are also may mythic rivers in the underworld.
I feel like there's one additional thing not mentioned, trains have a very high capacity. You could do all the same stories with a big truck more or less, but a train well thats a train full of people, we don't feel bad for a truck's cargo, but people there's something to save.
You asking if there is a train in my favorite superhero movie. Me confidently denying this assumption only to soon realize that yes, it does have a train scene.
It's not a movie, but your bit in the middle reminded me of possibly my favorite superhero story in recent years: the video game World's End Club. A few different chapters took part on/with a train-- these kids are literally trying to walk from the southern tip of Japan to Tokyo, so when they find a train they can drive it helps a lot. It's a mostly deserted post apocalypse, so no power of third party trains, but inside trapped and roof battles both happen, and even a bit where the party is split because they need to decouple part of it too lose a boss they can't handle yet, and someone needs to keep the boss's attention while the cars go on separate tracks.
As a small town raised, moving to a city with metro, they never stop being amazing and scary, from the risk to fall to the rails electricity charged, or just the speed of it that could pass to you, to the doors that just close, my backpack was stuck once and I was so scared, the crowds that are merciless, also once I almost couldn't leave the wagon cuz we were so cramp that I had to push forward and ended up falling to the floor just before the door closed and that backpack broke one string, i mean my first year on the city was so shocking. And also the peak hours you are so cramp like touching shoulders and back with people and perverts are a real risk, and then the train just stops working for like 5-20 minutes between stations due to a power outage (Latinoamérica) and you are just stuck underground with all those people until the power gets back. Yet still when it's empty or just not collapsed i feel like I'm in the future unbelieving how I can move to different districts that look like different cities, i probably sound pretty lame but I was raised in the countryside, i can't help it. Also I'm on !y 3rd year of university and I've learned how to survive in the metro and in the city
Trains can also show us a character's nature, stopping a train from crushing can be the ultimate show of strength and heroism. At the same time crushing a train an be the ultimate shoe of villainy; we truly understand just how evil and uncaring for human life Omniman is when he uses his son to cut through an entire train and all his passangers, killing hundreds of civilians and leaving his son covered in blood and guts and traumatized.
This was such a great analysis, i think that fight scenes to being interesting have to have a) personal stakes or b) intestring setting that adds more danger like what you mentioned in Black Panther, fight each other and the risk of the setting itself and the trains being so fast and risky in regular everyday life circumstances are like a specific kind of danger that we are familiar with feeling and relate
Was surprised to see no mention of The Matrix, which is basically a superhero movie and has its most pivotal scene in a subway station and features train action as well.
You know. It’s funny. I was like huh that’s interesting, then you said something along the lines about how early on in our stories our hero needs a getaway to just hop onto a train and then I remembered the fact that the opening fight scene Im writing in my superhero story literally takes place on top of a moving monorail through the city. 😂😂😂
Simple, trains are a cool action set piece that can lead to very high stakes due to many people being trapped on them, also they’re done pretty differently every time, you can’t tell me that Spider-Man 2, The Incredibles, Batman Begins, and Spider-Verse all did it in the same way
@@PeterParker-ff7ub I mean, trains only have two modes: Standing still, and moving. Stopping an out of control train is a task for a superhero. Getting a stopped train moving is a task for an engineer.
Honestly vehicles are important in action in general so it’s only a matter of time before trains pop up. You could easily make this video about car chases or planes
Also Doctor Strange (2016) features a Subway Train, During the mirror dimension chase scene Doctor Strange slides away from kacelius and his zealots by moving between platforms and down a subway train that is moving apart and back together, quite short but love that scene!
Heres the reasons i can come up with: 1) Practical. Trains are just a practical thing for filmakers to make fights on, as its small and easy to build. Simply by having a fake train as a set and having a moving digital background is super easy for filmakers to do. 2) Theatrical. Trains are very dynamic, and really help convey the fast paced action of the superhero fight scene. The rush of the train forward mimics the rush of the plot which builds tension. 3) Symbolic. Trains are somewhat symbolic of the story itself. The story must progress forward, so having the characters fight on or in a train is the most literal way of saying the plot is moving forward. Those are just my reasons.
Eh. For me while "More powerful than a Locomotive" is the original bar to pass. That derives from the old movies where the heroine was strapped to tracks and had to be saved which predates comic book hero comics. Out running or rescuing from a train is Hero 101.
I’m only 13 minutes in but I just want you to know this is a great piece of film analysis, I bet you could submit the script to a film scholarship journal or something and they’d totally accept it
Beautifully constructed essay and 😂 I can't believe it took 26 minutes to get to the omni-man train scene, seconds in and I thought that's where you were going. One of my favorite runaway train scenes comes from Iron Man: Armored Adventures, it was the first train scene I saw in superhero media as a kid before I watched the incredibles and eventually Spiderman 2. I don't think I'll ever forget it. 🔥🙏🏾 Nice video
I also think trains are just a stapple of action movies, and superhero movies have a lot of action in them. Westerns, and even modern-set action movies have trains just as often as superhero movies. Just watch literally almost any Liam Neeson movie
5:19 the subway train featured in Superman the Quest for peace was actually a London underground unit and this was because they had to film The Quest for peace in London
Some Japanese kaiju tokusatsu movies and TV shows like Godzilla and Ultraman also use this train metaphor but it usually ends up with no hope of survival. Because no one can outrun an atom bomb even if you're running away from it by train. Case in point, Pacific Rim or the 2014 Godzilla.
I made this connection when incredibles 2 came out, so the fact that *you're* talking about it means I'm not crazy. Maybe it goes back to the "more powerful than a locomotive" trope?
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What's your favorite train scene?
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I mean, Spider-Man 2. Sometimes the obvious answer is the right one.
I see what you did there
Kingpin vs miles just because you can feel how vulnerable miles is. However Spider-Man 2 is always a classic
Obviously Ant-Man... Come on, it's a mini train that goes B E E G train!
Bullet train… just bullet train… all of it
"The train is a force of nature"
That's a wild statement to hear because it's also a symbol of industry
Industry relies on nature.
The separation between nature and industry is mostly an arbitrary artifact of extremist environmentalism.
The train is the people's transport.
Humanity is natural.
Industry is a force of Nature too
Holy moly. "Superheroes solve the trolley problem". That's a great line to describe the trope.
Trains have many people in it and can't divert from danger on the track. It's a great thing for the hero to save !
Exactly. The train is like the falling person situation on steroids. Or like a ticking time bomb that you don't really need any set up or exposition to explain.
Agreed, to simplify: Trains are great vehicles!
Also, if you jump on a train to catch you breath, you don't need to drive or pay attention, so you can relax and unwind giving you an opportunity to talk between the characters because no one listen to other passengers on a train
It's true, but it's definitely more than that, because a substantial number of these involve trains that are unoccupied, or are like military trains only occupied by bad guys, or where the train and passengers aren't in danger, which is the case with most of the fights on the outside of trains.
This applies to more than just superhero movies, but trains also can't stop easily and are confined spaces which means that it's more obvious when new characters and elements are introduced without establishing how they got on board. This doesn't prevent hacks from doing it anyways but it makes it more likely that someone catches it during story development.
I didn't realize how much I needed Nando to talk about trains for 30 minutes.
We have been served.
I like trains.
Now all we need is for Thomas the Tank Engine to transform into a giant mech and battle against a Godzilla-style Barney the Purple Dinosaur while being operated by Teletubby Power Rangers
I’d like to see the train trope reimagined as an airport moving walkway in a satire. It wonderfuly robs the trope of all of its tension.
amazing
Can't stop the A-Train, Baby! Unless you're *insert endless list of superheroes who stop a train with moments to spare, or a failing heart*
-I think you forgot one. Ant-Man on the toy train.😄-
I have no words, this was a great exploration of trains in these stories. I honestly never noticed just how frequently they are included in stories.
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@@c-nads Oops. Thx.
As a (former) New Yorker, I laughed aloud when you said the subway announcement in “Spider-Verse” transported you back to NYC. You are so right! 🤣🤣
I must choo-choo-choose my words carefully!
This is a fantastic video! I always enjoy thorough breakdown of something that seems absurd but makes a ton of sense!
Clever.
"That light at the end of the tunnel? Guess what, that's not heaven. That's the C Train!"
Say what you will about Daredevil 2003, but that's an absolute cold bar.
I'm a bit biased but Spider-Maguire 2's train sequence is my all-time favorite superhero/train sequence. Such an effective scene full of emotion and hope.
biased or not you’re not wrong in the slightest… that crazy camera shot where peter is swinging and it zooms out of Oc’s glasses… that was sick… using the speeding train and it’s surrounding areas as a battleground is sweet… fast moving, dodging each other and objects on the way, then the tension goes even higher once
the train starts heading for the
unfinished bridge.. it’s such a spider-man thing to do and such a spider-man thing to see him giving it his everything in order to save people … it’s amazing and no other movie has been able to replicate it
@@mr.dr.prof.patrick7284 maybe no other movie, but I think supeman & lois tops it.
My favorite is superman & lois. When superman is presented with the choice of "capture this superfast teen who has no control over his powers" or "save people on a train", he chooses the train, because that's just the kind of guy he is.
And the way he fixes the train is very smart, using his heat vision not just as a "blast of energy". It perfectly mixes Reeves/Routh heart with MOS scale.
Your ability to write captivating 30 minute explorations like this is incredible
this video is a love letter to comic books, superhero stories and film itself.
what a beautiful piece from one of the most brilliant minds on youtube
as a story writer and (kinda) story boarder for games, setting a fight on a train is low-key my favorite thing to do
i cant describe it properly but the constant moving nature of it, the need to keep moving and claustrophobia of it all makes it a perfect set piece for an action fight to take place on
It's the breakneck speed and sense of constant danger for me, I love it.
@@LexVanguard2004
>Spiderman pfp
this guy gets me ❤️
@@thegooldash2443 Cheers bud, Im actually a writer myself too :)
For my current wip I'm planning a fight scene on the London Underground, my mc has electric powers so when the power cuts off she's the only light source. Gonna be awesome hopefully lol
@@LexVanguard2004 love the sound of that ‼️
maybe make it take place between stations so it's completely dark except for your MC
could have a really nice section where the antagonist gets the upper hand in being essentially invisible while the MC is in a direct disadvantage
These are my favorite Nandi videos. He attacks the genre with a unique angle. Keep killing it Matt!
I have not ever considered his name wasn’t Nando
@@levydeat Same this news has messed me up
The most intense thing ever is trying to catch the train. And then realizing that you got on the wrong train.
And jesus christ trains need an award on how many times it has been saved by superheroes
As a die hard train enthusiast and cinephile, this is EXACTLY the video I needed.
Nice.
I think there's another thing that you touch on in some of these. But the train is a place where you get a bunch of civilians who are a cross-section of society, who are thrown together by the circumstance, and who can't escape. So it gives stakes that the civilians don't have an obvious way to avoid, and the audience doesn't get to judge them at all (compared to, say, Joker holding a benefit hostage, well those are all super-rich gothamites so we feel some kind of way about them). And in Raimi's Spiderman 2, we see this deliciously reversed, where the regular people save Spiderman, and part of what makes that scene compelling is that it's this random group of people who didn't choose to be there.
I forget where I read this, so take it for what it's worth, but i once read that the "running away from the train" legend was that some members of the audience were being playful and thought it would be funny to "run away" from an "oncoming train."
As many other superhero tropes, they used a lot of trains in the first episodes of NBC's Heroes. The famous quote 'save the cheerleader, save the world' was said by Future Peter in a NYC subway, Hiro teleports the first time while dozing in a Tokyo subway, and Claire uses her regeneration powers to save people for the first time in a train crash fire. Later, we'd discover her biological mother caused the explosion.
Oh the memories of that amazing show
What could probably fit in the "cinematic" category is the importance of the contents of a train. Often it's people to save, but it can be the microwave emitter in Batman Begins, or one interesting case: in Days of Future Past, the inactive Sentinels are being transported by train, which is where Magneto gets to them and infuses them with metal so he can control them.
I always love Nando videos, but this might be one of my favorite videos, not just of Nando, but the site as a whole, such a common concept elevated to a level that made me think long and hard about how incredible trains can be both metaphorically and visually! Thanks for this masterpiece Nando!
It’s about time Nando talked about the greatest super hero movie of all time: The Incredibles.
The “Christopher Plummer” joke at 5:26 was so clever it took me a minute to understand it. It’s a reference to the movie “All the Money in the World”, which originally starred Kevin Spacey (Lex in Returns) but was replaced by Plummer
I don't understand. It sounds like he's just saying a model train set is present.
@@Jansenbaker The joke is referring to Lex as Christopher Plummer. Most of that section isn't a joke (like you said, he's just listing off all the trains in superhero movies), but it is a joke when he uses the wrong actor's name on purpose.
@@nathanl8622 Ok, I misread it that Christopher Plummer replaced someone in Superman Returns, not realizing that's that one old guy I've seen mentioned before.
I see now, he did it in another movie.
But I don't see how him replacing the same actor connects to the Superman movie specifically. Like, just because it happened, and it was funny to remind you? Or was the situation reversed in Superman Returns? I've got a block here.
Wait wait... is this even Superman Returns? Sorry. I don't remember
I wonder if a lot of it is referential based too. Like as you just mentioned, Superman and Spider-Man have a train scene in like all of their movies. It’s a wink and a nod to their legacy.
As a train enthusiast, I really love this video and I think it's one of your best yet. It's very well written and explores the topic in depth. I need more video essays like this.
I wish for superhero movies had a train-ing montage
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I mean, Mr Incredible literally lifted with trains in his workout montage
The Spiderman 2 train scene, is still one of the best action scene ever in any comic book movie, and that movie released back in 2004!🤔👌
Sill holds up today!👍
Faster than a speeding bullet. More powerful than a locomotive. Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. I’d say all three of the items recur because they genuinely are incredible feats. Reacting to a bullet, stopping a train, and surviving a fall from extreme height all work as cinematic set pieces.
Very disappointed this video didn't include one of my favorite scenes from Defenders, which is a complete guilty pleasure of mine. In the final episode, Matt Luke and Jess need to get to Union Circle fast, the police are after them, and they have no money on hand. Then Jess pulls out her Metro Card, and it cuts to them quietly riding the subway at 1 in the morning. It's slow, it's quiet, the cuts are long but the camera is handheld, it's breather and tension, and Jessica Jones steals a can of beer from a passed out homeless guy which is very funny.
Oh man, I literally just now watched Blade and saw the train sequence. That reminded me that you had this video about trains in comic book movies.
I was checking if you missed mentioning it, but you were right on the money.
I never realized just HOW much trains are used in superhero movies. Now I can't unsee it..... lol
One of my favourite and funny train scene is in Wallace and Gromit: the wrong trousers. Just insanely fast action pacing, clarity of story, satisfying conclusion and just such a laugh. Spiderman 2 is arguably the best in a superhero setting, again the conclusion to which is just brilliant to watch.
I had no idea that listening to a guy who talks about the superheroes and trains can be that entertaining! This video essay is amazing
I'm writing a superhero comic that has a train scene in it, so I feel VERY ATTACKED RN 😂
I read the title and thought to myself "because trains are cool, and you can do a lot with them cinematically. it isn't complicated." It's kind of like how someone noticed a LOT of the movies in MCU phase 1 (and I think a few beyond) feature a plane having a single wing destroyed. There were news articles and whatnot being like "what does this mean?!" And I think the right answer is simply that it's the coolest way to destroy a plane onscreen, so it makes sense its a tool they'd use more than once.
But I love the depth of thought you put into this question. This whole video is the right answer, and there's nothing simple about it.
I know it's not technically a superhero movie but everything in this video made me think of Bullet Train, which is sort of the ultimate train-based action movie, incorporating most of these elements into the story
I haven’t written a train into my superhero story (takes place in Washington dc, plus I don’t live in in area that relies on train travel, so I don’t have as much experience on trains to readily draw from in my writing) but I have written a fairly important train into a witch story I’m working on, and I’ve dabbled with the idea of the witch characters having to save their world so maybe it counts in the storytelling format of superhero stories
This was a fantastic video essay - it might be your best video ever. Great work.
I was rewatching the 1979 classic 'Turkish Superman' with my family. And to my amazement, would you have it, there's a train sequence where two trains are going to crash into each other and Superman has to stop them. Mind blowing. Even rip-off cinema understands the power of a suprrhero train scene.
Superheroes have to be better/faster/stronger to “solve the trolley problem.” That said, it makes total sense that they almost always need to train in their respective media 🙃
Trains are the modern river in regards to liminality. Consider that in many Irish myths and legends, most battles take place at rivers. There are also may mythic rivers in the underworld.
I can tell you exactly why without watching.
"As powerful as a locomotive" that line alone with Superman set the tone for strength.
trains as a setting is more common than you’d think. snowpiercer, bullet train, train to busan, etc.
This is easily the best video on your Channel, and that’s high praise considering the quality of your other content.
Fantastic video Nando!!
I feel like there's one additional thing not mentioned, trains have a very high capacity. You could do all the same stories with a big truck more or less, but a train well thats a train full of people, we don't feel bad for a truck's cargo, but people there's something to save.
You asking if there is a train in my favorite superhero movie. Me confidently denying this assumption only to soon realize that yes, it does have a train scene.
Which movie is it?
There's also tons of train scenes in the 2012 and 2018 versions of TMNT. Both of which use those vehicles very well in their scenes
Ant-Man's thomas the tank engine scene is the best superhero train scene... ok, maybe not the best, but the most comedic!
It's not a movie, but your bit in the middle reminded me of possibly my favorite superhero story in recent years: the video game World's End Club. A few different chapters took part on/with a train-- these kids are literally trying to walk from the southern tip of Japan to Tokyo, so when they find a train they can drive it helps a lot. It's a mostly deserted post apocalypse, so no power of third party trains, but inside trapped and roof battles both happen, and even a bit where the party is split because they need to decouple part of it too lose a boss they can't handle yet, and someone needs to keep the boss's attention while the cars go on separate tracks.
As a small town raised, moving to a city with metro, they never stop being amazing and scary, from the risk to fall to the rails electricity charged, or just the speed of it that could pass to you, to the doors that just close, my backpack was stuck once and I was so scared, the crowds that are merciless, also once I almost couldn't leave the wagon cuz we were so cramp that I had to push forward and ended up falling to the floor just before the door closed and that backpack broke one string, i mean my first year on the city was so shocking. And also the peak hours you are so cramp like touching shoulders and back with people and perverts are a real risk, and then the train just stops working for like 5-20 minutes between stations due to a power outage (Latinoamérica) and you are just stuck underground with all those people until the power gets back.
Yet still when it's empty or just not collapsed i feel like I'm in the future unbelieving how I can move to different districts that look like different cities, i probably sound pretty lame but I was raised in the countryside, i can't help it. Also I'm on !y 3rd year of university and I've learned how to survive in the metro and in the city
Train levels in video games are always fantastic as well. Interesting to see this video!
Trains can also show us a character's nature, stopping a train from crushing can be the ultimate show of strength and heroism. At the same time crushing a train an be the ultimate shoe of villainy; we truly understand just how evil and uncaring for human life Omniman is when he uses his son to cut through an entire train and all his passangers, killing hundreds of civilians and leaving his son covered in blood and guts and traumatized.
17:51 Well-timed cut. No capes.
So glad i gave the fictional city in my superhero campaign its version of the subway
The Lone Ranger and Legend of Zorro both have major train scenes in the third act. More western set films, but both feature masked vigilantes.
This was such a great analysis, i think that fight scenes to being interesting have to have a) personal stakes or b) intestring setting that adds more danger like what you mentioned in Black Panther, fight each other and the risk of the setting itself and the trains being so fast and risky in regular everyday life circumstances are like a specific kind of danger that we are familiar with feeling and relate
It goes back as far as twirling mustache villains tying damsels to railroad tracks.
Love the inclusion of Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, such a great show
Enjoyed this much more than I thought I would, I now appreciate trains a lot more
THANK YOU !!!! I HAVE SPENT THE LAST SIX MONTHSSS THINKING ABOUT TRAINS IN, admittedly, ACTION MOVIES (and not just superhero movies, but still)
Was surprised to see no mention of The Matrix, which is basically a superhero movie and has its most pivotal scene in a subway station and features train action as well.
You know. It’s funny. I was like huh that’s interesting, then you said something along the lines about how early on in our stories our hero needs a getaway to just hop onto a train and then I remembered the fact that the opening fight scene Im writing in my superhero story literally takes place on top of a moving monorail through the city. 😂😂😂
Simple, trains are a cool action set piece that can lead to very high stakes due to many people being trapped on them, also they’re done pretty differently every time, you can’t tell me that Spider-Man 2, The Incredibles, Batman Begins, and Spider-Verse all did it in the same way
it's always stopping a train so it is the "same"
@@PeterParker-ff7ub I mean, trains only have two modes: Standing still, and moving. Stopping an out of control train is a task for a superhero. Getting a stopped train moving is a task for an engineer.
Honestly vehicles are important in action in general so it’s only a matter of time before trains pop up. You could easily make this video about car chases or planes
You are quickly becoming one of my favourite youtubers with your extremely well made videos. Absolutely love them man. Keep up the great work! 😎
Also Doctor Strange (2016) features a Subway Train, During the mirror dimension chase scene Doctor Strange slides away from kacelius and his zealots by moving between platforms and down a subway train that is moving apart and back together, quite short but love that scene!
Oh yeah you're right!
Heres the reasons i can come up with:
1) Practical. Trains are just a practical thing for filmakers to make fights on, as its small and easy to build. Simply by having a fake train as a set and having a moving digital background is super easy for filmakers to do.
2) Theatrical. Trains are very dynamic, and really help convey the fast paced action of the superhero fight scene. The rush of the train forward mimics the rush of the plot which builds tension.
3) Symbolic. Trains are somewhat symbolic of the story itself. The story must progress forward, so having the characters fight on or in a train is the most literal way of saying the plot is moving forward.
Those are just my reasons.
This is your best work.
I never thought of this but I guess there are a lot of trains in super hero movies🤔
the Fact that a Train was in the First Movie, No Wonder we see these kind of Train in Many Media
Eh. For me while "More powerful than a Locomotive" is the original bar to pass. That derives from the old movies where the heroine was strapped to tracks and had to be saved which predates comic book hero comics. Out running or rescuing from a train is Hero 101.
Spider-Man 2 started the trend, and is still the best one. That train scene is timeless and will never be topped.
My man can make a super hero video about anything. This has to be one of my favorites. Bravo Nando
I like trains
I’m only 13 minutes in but I just want you to know this is a great piece of film analysis, I bet you could submit the script to a film scholarship journal or something and they’d totally accept it
Nando really showing once again hes the biggest superhero fan 💪👑
Joker also used a sort of trolley problem to stump Batman...and Shang-Chi's most impressive fight sequence was on a...bus, not a train, but close enuf
Arguable my favorite super hero movie scene ever is the Spider-Man 2 train rescue.
Holy moly that's a huge amount of trains in superhero movies
Beautifully constructed essay and 😂 I can't believe it took 26 minutes to get to the omni-man train scene, seconds in and I thought that's where you were going.
One of my favorite runaway train scenes comes from Iron Man: Armored Adventures, it was the first train scene I saw in superhero media as a kid before I watched the incredibles and eventually Spiderman 2. I don't think I'll ever forget it.
🔥🙏🏾 Nice video
It's amazing how deep this video is. Well done sir
absolutely fantastic video!
Love the A-Train joke lol, Robin was indeed run over by a train in way.
I also think trains are just a stapple of action movies, and superhero movies have a lot of action in them. Westerns, and even modern-set action movies have trains just as often as superhero movies. Just watch literally almost any Liam Neeson movie
11:53 I saw Daredevil once like 5 years ago but that line has been living in my head rent-free ever since.
'Christopher Plummer'. I see whatcha did there. 😂 Well played. 😊
This is why I sub to this channel, because Nando compares Ultron to a train.
5:19 the subway train featured in Superman the Quest for peace was actually a London underground unit and this was because they had to film The Quest for peace in London
Some Japanese kaiju tokusatsu movies and TV shows like Godzilla and Ultraman also use this train metaphor but it usually ends up with no hope of survival. Because no one can outrun an atom bomb even if you're running away from it by train. Case in point, Pacific Rim or the 2014 Godzilla.
Just Can Wait Untill the Incredible faces against Another Train
I didn’t even watch the whole thing, but my answer to the question in the title would be because trains are awesome
I made this connection when incredibles 2 came out, so the fact that *you're* talking about it means I'm not crazy.
Maybe it goes back to the "more powerful than a locomotive" trope?
Every time I watch a super hero movie now I will look for trains thanks a lot
Ok, I love this video, incredible work, Nando. One of your best videos
Dang. Great video. I won't be able to unsee the train cliche and the trolley choice cliche now.
This is probably one of your best works.
Shoutout to John Mayer's Stop This Train, which is just talking about accepting the inevitability of death
This is why Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter is my favorite comic book movie
I love the Superman returns scene where he stops a runaway sky train
I love that omni man trains mark, then he TRAINS mark