In the comics, girls with crushes on Charlie Brown never call him Charlie Brown. Peppermint Patty calls him Chuck, Marcie calls him Charles, and that girl at camp he held hands with called him Brownie Charles.
@bobbyk9815 False! In the comics,Patty (not peppermint), Violet and Lucy all have crushes on him, but just call him Charlie Brown, so don't try to speak on things you have no idea what you are talking about.
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@@GaryTongue-zn5di Lucy's crush is on Schroeder, and Patty has a secret crush on Pigpen (Though she is Charlie Brown's oldest friend and has been around as long as Charlie himself). Violet did have a crush on Charlie Brown at one time, but that changed after Charlie pushed her off her tricycle and threw things at her. After that, she became attached to Shermy
Lucy's Crush on Schroeder is more of a "Dominate and Control him" but her Mild Crush on Charlie Brown is why she calls him his full name and Emasculates him.
I love the part where Snoopy wrestles the chair. I also love that Snoopy served the kids toast, popcorn, jellybeans, etc. and when they were gone he pulls out a full roasted turkey dinner with all the trimmings for himself and Woodstock, and pumpkin pie to boot.
It was only a few years ago I realised something about the end. Snoopy and Woodstock are eating Turkey. And a Bird is eating Bird. And why are they eating non traditional trimmings? They have new potatoes and carrots and some other kind of vegetable. Why didn't Snoopy fix Mashed potatoes and gravy and Stuffing and Cranberry Sauce? And that Pumpkin Pie with whipped cream looked fantastic.
3:35 I never really thought anything of it! I mostly learned a lot of things here. 1. Do not invite yourself over for dinner. 2. If you do get invited and the Thanksgiving menu is not what you expect, don't complain about the menu. 3. The true meaning of Thanksgiving.
I showed this show to my international students (high school). It was interesting that the part that they really laughed at was Charlie Brown's "Well... I... uh."
Do you know why the Peanuts characters never grow up to be adults? Because all of their dialogue would consist of "Wa-wa-waaa. Waa wa-wa waa wa wa waaa ..." 😅😅😅
My Daughter is having “A Charlie Brown Friendsgiving” at College and the menu consists of: Toast, pretzel sticks, popcorn, jelly beans and ice cream parfait 🦃
Toast, pretzel sticks, and jelly beans? Looks like it's a gourmet feast fit for the Peanuts gang! Just don’t forget the Snoopy dance to go with it! Oh, and they may want to wrestle some lawn chairs.
Yeah I saw that several years ago a restaurant out in Vegas did this as a gag near Thanksgiving. You had to call in a reservation for it and it was booked. This caught on and I see numerous others have done it now as well.
At the beginning of this episode, I remember Sally saying "it's Thanksgiving and I haven't even ate all my Halloween candy". How did she have any candy? She waited in the pumpkin patch all night with Linus on Halloween waiting for The Great Pumpkin.
Ah, the mysteries of the Peanuts universe! Perhaps her parents felt bad that she got duped by Linus and bought her a bunch... or they just gave her Charlie Browns.
@@rebeccablueheart I think that was Lucy that asked for a second treat for her "blockhead brother" who was sitting in a pumpkin patch waiting for the Great Pumpkin.
I haven't done any research on this, so I could be wrong, but PP always calls him Chuck when she is talking to him directly. In this scene, she is addressing the gang without him there. That could be the reason she uses his regular name.
@dwaneanderson8039 You are completely wrong in every fathomable way! She calls him Chuck period, not just directly to him. She occasionally uses his real name though. How do you fail this much? 🤔
@@PaulVanScott That's exactly the answer. This has nothing to do with growth. She is addressing a group, most of whom don't call him that. I never liked this special as a kid. I always thought Charlie's Brown's inability to address the situation himself left the message that bullying was permissible.
@@Marc010 I wouldn't exactly call what Peppermint Patty did "bullying." I think I would call it an inability to listen when other people are trying to tell her something.
Those of us who have been through hard emotional times either have more empathy or less respect for those around us. We either grow into protectors and care givers or we turn into bitter uncaring people. I have chosen the former. I think you did too.
I totally noticed that, even as a young child. And I have carried it with me throughout my life. Any time I overextend my welcome, or notice that I have offended or hurt someone in some way, I have found that if I just make a slight sign of respect once or twice, it makes me feel so much better!
I remember one Thanksgiving, and my grandparents decided to serve beef instead of turkey. Before we went over to their house, my mom had told me not to complain about the menu because it would hurt their feelings. I'm autistic and she knows that I'm not into change.
This episode also unveils Woodstock's secret. He's a cannibal! In the scene with him and Snoopy eating a turkey Woodstock is just overjoyed to be eating a fellow bird!
Actually I think birds do eat other birds, for instance I heard that owls eat pigeons, and there are decoy owls that can be used to ward off pigeons if you don't want them messing up a place.
@@schizoidboySparrow Hawks prey on sparrows. Go anywhere in Southern Florida & you'll see turkey vultures swooping dn on morning doves, pigeons, sparrows...
I've seen a lot of times in the strip where Peppermint Patty blames Charlie Brown for anything that goes wrong in her life! In later years, I've been more resentful of her for that!
It's interesting to see how characters evolve in our perceptions over time. Peppermint Patty's dynamic with Charlie Brown definitely raises some eyebrows!
@Ability-King-KK YEZS! Schulz created Peppermint Patty and Marcy solely for the reason to have girls that actually care for Charlie, though in the comics, Lucy, Violet and Patty also all have on and off crushes on him. Sometimes HE is the mean one to them.
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That is just a natural trait of women. Many husbands will testify that their wives have become angry at them at some point because of something they watched on tv, (ps. newlywed Guys, if your lady is watching "Lifetime TV or Halmark, don't expect any lovin' tonight) only dreamed about or even a random thought that crossed their mind.
As a child, I didn't even realize that Woodstock eating Turkey at the end was being cannibalistic in a sense.😂 Seriously, I used to feel bad for poor old Charlie Brown. It seemed like Linus and Marcie were the only one's willing to stand up for him.
Yup, I think Peanuts is actually sad and depressing overall. It’s not that funny anyway, and honestly it’s about a kid who is picked on and doesn’t seem to catch much break. I identify with that too much, perhaps. I think it’s all overrated, highly. Both as comics and the programs.
@@theOlLineRebel Nah, the message is Charlie is like his tree, all he needs is a little love. And his friends despite his and their flaws, do love him Love redeems all.
@@PaulVanScott I always found it funny that Patty calls him "Chuck". While Lucy Van Pelt calls him by his Full name Charlie Brown. She's the only girl who does. "Hey Charlie Brown, do you think I'm attractive? Well, I would say that you have a nice face and are decent looking. You BLOCKHEAD! You Don't think I have a Pretty Face?!"
@@Tornado1994 WRONG! Marcie calls PEPPERMINT PATTY "Sir," which annoys her to no end. "Stop calling me 'SIR'!" she's always shouting. (It kind of reminds of the running gag on the "Superman" TV show from the 1950s, where Jimmy Olsen calls "Daily Planet" editor Perry White "Chief," and Mr. White yells back "Don't call me 'Chief'!") With Charlie Brown, on the other hand, Marcie always calls him "Charles," which is appropriate since it's obviously his real first name.
I assumed that since she was speaking to the entire group, she had to talk to them all seriously. So she addressed him by him proper name, not the nickname she only called him.
I remember this special. It may have been the first to include Peppermint Patty, Marcie, and Franklin. According to an extra on the DVD, a boy voiced Peppermint Patty in this special. The usual questions come up. Sally said that she hadn't eaten all of her Halloween candy. Didn't she spend the night with Linus waiting for the Great Pumpkin? Maybe the next year she went trick or treating. Where were the parents during all of this? Most families only own a single toaster. Did they borrow or even steal a few? There are models that can toast four slices at a time. Some might wonder about the time of Grandmother's dinner. But that varies per families. Nowadays all the children might not have gotten to ride in the station wagon. Would there be enough seat belts? Finally, Woodstock helped Snoopy eat the turkey. These specials should be back on network TV. Thankfully I have the DVD. Most of us missed that subtle change with Peppermint Patty. No one else called him Chuck.
It's great to see such a fond memory of this special! The characters really made an impact, and those questions definitely add an interesting layer to the story. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
The Thanksgiving special came out a few year's after The Great Pumpkin, so in theory Sally could have gone trick-or-treating prior to the events in this special, but I get where if you were growing up watching these specials as a child the continuity would be off. After all, if you watched this special and The Great Pumpkin, you would be wondering where Sally got all her Halloween candy if she were sitting in the pumpkin patch with Linus. She couldn't have shared any candy with Charlie Brown because he only got rocks. And what did Charlie Brown do to all his neighbors to make sure he only got rocks for trick-or-treating?
@orangehornet57 ....except for the Charlie Brown and Snoopy show (your on Nickelodeon Charlie Brown in reruns) Peppermint Patty was ALWAYS voiced by boys. Not sure about the peanuts movie as I only saw it once.
Now I know that Peppermint Patty's father was called out of town on business which was why she wanted to spend it with Charlie Brown. The things that bother me though is why would her dad have to go on a business trip during Thanksgiving? And were Marcie and Franklin's parents okay with them going over to Charlie Brown's grandmother's house? They could've stayed at home with their own families for the celebration (except for Peppermint Patty).
I recall well with heart warming fondness this Charlie Brown classic. Peanuts was my all time favorite comic strip. When I'd heard that Mr. Schulz had passed away, I was heartbroken and even cried a bit. It was like losing a beloved family member who'd been there literally throughout your whole life.
At 4:07 on the subject of deep emotions, the most endearing part of all the Charlie Brown series is in this Thanksgiving episode. At the end where Snoopy and Woodstock share their meal together and that tune is playing... and being outside with the Autumn leaves all around. That moment always takes me back to my childhood and simpler times when I first saw it and we a children didn't have a care in the world. That moment is so touching and nostalgic to me that I get misty eyed. I feel so good every time I watch it. And, please, no comments on Woodstock being a canibal by eating a turkey... some clown always makes a stink about it.
I completely agree! That scene really encapsulates the warmth and nostalgia of childhood. It's amazing how a simple moment can evoke such powerful emotions and memories.
My sister had a bird who they would feed human food as treats once in a while. Not often, but the type of bird she had was officially an "omnivore" in the wild. One of that bird's FAVORITE (human) treat foods was chicken. So evidently it isn't unusual for birds to like to eat other tasty birds.
We've had Charley Brown Thanksgiving since my son was 2. He's 15 and still insists we have it. He says it's something he plans on carrying on with his family someday. ❤😢❤
It's wonderful to hear that your son values those cherished traditions! It's amazing how certain moments can create lasting memories that we want to pass on.
It’s a story about how to treat people. I have read the book as a kid everyday in between Halloween and Thanksgiving for many years. I also have it on video and watch it it every year more than once!
Thank you for sharing your experience! It’s wonderful to know that the message resonates with you so deeply and has become a cherished part of your yearly traditions.
@ It’s a part of my life! Has been and not only the Thanksgiving one! Great Pumpkin, Christmas, and many more! I always said I wanted to meet Charles Schulz in Heaven and believe I will! I never got to meet him on earth. Thank you for your great video!
The other thing you didn't cover is : the next problem is that Marcie does by inviting not just herself but the whole gang to someone else's home for a meal. Not really a nice thing to do.
"We're all invited to Charlie Brown's grandmother's for Thanksgiving Dinner." Maybe Peppermint Patty called him Charlie Brown that one time because she used his name as an adjective to describe who's grandmother she was talking about. And because, to his grandmother, he was Charlie Brown, Peppermint Patty referred to him the way his grandmother would which means that Peppermint Patty is showing respect to Charlie Brown's grandmother.🤔
I watched this episode when, it first aired on network TV. This is my favorite cartoon where, Peppermint Patty's love crush on Charlie Brown really get to shine. Hoped what, I had missed was a kiss on the cheek between the two (smile ... smile).
I just always thought "chuck" was a term of endearment Patti gave to Charlie Brown, like a familiar friend would. I never thought it was less respectful, maybe more if you think about it.
That's an interesting perspective! It really shows how terms of endearment can vary in meaning depending on the context and the relationship between characters.
It's interesting how revisiting these classics can reveal new layers to the characters! Maybe Peppermint Patty has more depth than we often give her credit for.
ALSO PP invited herself, brought nothing to this gathering, complained about the offerings, was called out for her entitlement…… ended up getting a real dinner at CB’s grandmas house! Only in comics
Don't forget that when Charlie Brown calls his grandmother about his unexpected guests, he refers to himself as . .. 'Charlie Brown' ..to his own GRANDMOTHER. Why the full name instead of just 'Charlie'? The only reason I can possibly think of is that would make any sense might be that his grandmother has at least two grandsons named 'Charlie' so Wishy Washy used his full name to differentiate himself from one or more of his other cousins also named 'Charlie'. No character growth for CB or Grandma there
@@tigerlord9302 It wouldn't matter whether it was 'Grandma Brown' or 'Granny X'. Most grandmothers know all their grandkids' first names so the only reason I can imagine him referring to HIMSELF as 'Charlie Brown' would be if he h.ad at least one other cousin named 'Charlie'.
I've seen this special countless times over the years, and I've never noticed Peppermint Patty doing that. I have a very special connection with this particular special because we're the same age. 😄
It's amazing how many little details we can miss, even after watching something multiple times! It’s great to hear you have a special connection with it.
one thing I could never stand about Peppermint Patty in ANY of the Charlie Brown shows is that she doesn't listen.She puts people on the spot.She demands things,has unrealistic expectations and gets angry when people don't give her what she expected. Thing is,if she actually gave people a chance to get a word in,they would tell her they aren't able/capable of doing what she wants. If I knew someone like her,she wouldn't be someone who I would even talk to. Thankfully we have cellphones with caller ID these days. Someone like her would drive me crazy
@MissyFaith1971 we had a girl like her in our inner city Ministry some years back. Really good leader and we tried to encourage that in her but she definitely was bossy. Like Peppermint Patty she had no mother, her mother died when she was a toddler. Once she trusted Christ as her savior you could see the change in her. She never said what but you could tell when we had prayer time there were times when she definitely was quiet longer with her head bowed like she was giving some things over to God. Just admitting she needed the help was the key and that's something Peppermint Patty doesn't do. I remember one time in class our director was teaching something, and this was after this girl had trusted Christ to save her, and she just blurted out that she had no idea what our director was talking about. But she said it politely and like she wanted to know, and our director could sometimes get a little wordy and not think about his audience if he wasn't careful. This girl also had a lot of hidden anxieties that Peppermint Patty probably has, and that's why she was like that. I think in dealing with a girl like Peppermint Patty the key is to show her that it's okay if she's not perfect and that it's okay to ask for help. I think the fact I have physical handicaps and did so much with the ministry, yet I was always humble, helped her a lot too because she saw an example of someone who was probably like what she saw herself as. Even though she didn't have physical problems, mentally she was quite insecure. I think Peppermint Patty is the same way.
She may be stubborn and doesn't listen but Lucy is meaner than her. At least Peppermint Patty learns and does try to make right after she wrongs a person.😁
@@angelalong6740Agreed, that was one of the things with that girl I mentioned in our inner city ministry also, and probably one of the reasons it was so easy for her to realize her need for Christ as her savior. Like her, I believe Peppermint Patty is not as intentional about quite a few of the rude things she does - unlike Lucy.
"You never noticed what she did..." There was something I did notice which was weird, because... Near the end of the episode, Patty says to Charlie Brown, "There's enough problems in the world already, Chuck, without these stupid misunderstandings. Let's not play lovers' games, Chuck." Umm.. From what I've read, both Charlie Brown and Peppermint Patty are 8 years old! What kind of 8-year-olds talk about "lovers' games"?!
I think, in the comic strip and in Charlie Brown's Cylopedia, PP is a fan of Dustin Hoffman. It might have been used in a movie he appeared in. Her Dad never seemed to be around, so she probably watched some Late Night Movies on TV and caught a few of his, and heard the line.
There's a lot of dialogue in the Peanuts comic strip and TV specials that are adult sounding. That's part of the humor. Little kids spouting grownup talk. For example, from "A Charlie Brown Christmas": Lucy Van Pelt: "I know how you feel about all this Christmas business, getting depressed and all that. It happens to me every year. I never get what I really want. I always get a lot of stupid toys or a bicycle or clothes or something like that." Charlie Brown: "What is it you want?" Lucy Van Pelt: "Real estate."
I've thought about this sort of thing many times over the years. Look at the Simpsons, Sponge Bob Squarepants...probably many other shows. They're written on two levels, child humor that keeps the kids laughing but if you listen a LITTLE BIT CLOSER...adults can be entertained just as well. There's really a certain level of genius(?) involved.
I can honestly say I've never seen the Thanksgiving special. Thanksgiving for my fam wasn't a one day event...it was a whole month thing. We didn't watch much tv in November or December. Though mom did let us watch the California Raisins claymation and Charlie Brown Christmas specials. Dad didn't have much say in the matter. He was always working. So he had no say, lol. Had to really think about Thanksgiving tv specials with this vid. After sitting here for 20 mins, yeah - can honestly say I definitely didn't watch much tv in November. I remember family trips down to Kentucky and Tennessee a lot in November to visit with various fam members. Nothing like a good ole family road trip in the old plymouth in the 80s. :)
Thank you for sharing your wonderful Thanksgiving memories! It’s a reminder that family time can be just as special, even without the TV shows. Yeah it's kind of weird that Thanksgiving really didn't have anymore classic specials.
Thanks for making this video as someone who grew up watching this special and I somehow never thought much of that moment. I thought it was a missed opportunity to air the special on TV for its 50th anniversary last year. Also fun fact the voice of Peppermint Patty Christopher Defaria later went on to be a producer for WB films including the Tom and Jerry Movie which I find to be a hilarious bit of trivia
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! It's interesting how certain moments can go unnoticed until someone brings them to light. And that trivia about Christopher DeFaria is fascinating-such a great connection to the world of animation!
I have to point out something else a little weird in the clip. Why is Sally there? Wouldn't she have already been invited to her own grandmother's house for Thanksgiving?
@@PaulVanScott - Lucy did her thing where she pulled the football away from Charlie Brown in the cold open. Other than that, she wasn't really important to the show.
I thought the popcorn and toast meal was to happen BEFORE the Browns went to grandma's house, so of course Sally was still there! Clearly, his parents didn't go on ahead because who was driving the car they eventually were riding in? I assumed it was CB's parents!
They have this dinner earlier in the day because of Peppermint Patty inviting herself to the dinner with his family, then later they leave for his grandparents house at the end of the special.
It’s interesting how our perspectives change as we grow up! Peppermint Patty's feelings for Charlie Brown definitely have a different vibe when viewed through an adult lens.
@@TheNeonRabbit The fact that Marcie always called her "sir" and in this special the part where PP ask Marcie to apologize to Charlie Brown for her and says "you know me I'll just mess things up I'm too brusk and rough" does indeed raise an eyebrow. 😬😬😬😬😬😬
I'm not an expert or anything, but I was a child of that era Charlie Brown actually came out I think the year before I was born which was 1966. I mean that I was born in '67 and I think a boy named Charlie Brown might have come out in 66, so Charlie Brown Charlie Brown Christmas Charlie Brown Thanksgiving special someone and so on was part of my childhood. to the point that I actually cry when I listen to the theme song a boy named Charlie Brown it brings back so many memories it's so nostalgic but it is actually such a beautiful piece of music. anyway, I'll get to the point peppermint Patty I think was Charles Schultz's idea of what early feminism look like if you think about it we had figures like Gloria Steinem and a lot of women actually mirror their personalities if not identities on what they thought Gloria Steinem was like. as an adult peppermint Patty always reminded me of the assertiveness that I think people I guess the term would be relate the glorious dynam, I think that a lot of women actually fetishize what they think she was like. she seems pushy and she seemed like that type of person but I think that she was actually just assertive, I could be totally wrong totally off the mark but always thought as I got older that peppermint Patty was like a caricature of Gloria Steinem and if you realize caricatures are boosted up to 11. I could be totally wrong and I'll probably am and if I have offended anyone I apologize. I would also like to add that peppermint Patty always if I remember right she showed that she meant well and she was also seemingly a great person to have on your side I love peppermint Patty she's probably one of my favorite peanut characters I just realized I kind of had a soft spot for Linus never cared much for Snoopy I like Woodstock a little bit but funny thing is peppermint Patty seemed real, never cared for Lucy as a child but I realize that Lucy is like a real little girl she's mischievous mean spirited but not evil she's just kind of a mischievous little girl. but peppermint Patty, is that little girl in school that gets involved in the student body All of the clubs and stuff she wants to make change peppermint patties the little girl that Greta thunberg wish she could be. actually I just want to say thank you and my voice is cracking, to Mr Charles Schultz for seeing children in the light that he saw them in and as a black man for giving us Franklin way before things like that became common
@@cynthiamclellan6745Have you ever sat in one of those old hardwood chairs with the spindles at your back? Your butt will hurt so bad you won't want to get up. Everyone but Franklin' has one. Franklin's chair is relaxed, reclined ever so gently with soft cloth for his rump & his back. He's got easy access to 2 bowls of popcorn, an ice cream sundae & what appears to be a scone in a plate & he's the only one with an eating utensil! He done real good for himself.
Maybe a breakfast Thanksgiving dinner? No jellybeans (They're out of place), but we could have scrambled eggs, grits, home fries, bacon, ham, and sausage. And English muffins with apple butter and bacon! And plenty of coffee! And as a chaser, bowls of Cinnamon Toast Crunch!
Jellybeans have officially been banned from the breakfast table! But I’m totally on board with bacon and Cinnamon Toast Crunch as the ultimate power couple!
I never noticed i luvd CB never missed a special but I never made my sons watch and i mostly made them watch all the stuff i liked. IDK why I guess there were too many times I felt bad for CB I didn't want them to feel bad.
Interesting that Sally was cheering also. Because as sister of Charlie Brown she would have been going to her own grandmother's condo anyway. Unless she was just happy her friends were going.
You make a great point! Sally's enthusiasm definitely raises some questions about her priorities and friendships. It's always fun to think about these character dynamics!
@JillMorgan-b7y FALSE! Niether Charlie Brown nor Sally were invited to their grandma's UNTIL Charlie explained to the grandma their situation. Try to pay better attention next time!
Peppermint Patty revealed herself as a real b-word in this special. She demands that Charlie Brown make a Thanksgiving feast for her, provides no money, no help, nothing. Then complains at what she receives. Snoopy isn't much better. At the end he pulls out an entire roast turkey that he COULD have served to the guests, since there was DEFINITELY more than he and Woostock would be able to consume.
That's a sweet thought! Charlie and Peppermint Patty would make a great couple. They've got the right dynamic for a marriage!
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She only calls Charlie Brown "Chuck" when speaking directly to him (It's her pet name for him). When speaking about him, she always says Charlie Brown. And she does sometimes call him Charlie Brown directly, such as when her team arrives to help his team in baseball and finds that the baseball field has been turned into a garden.
Have anyone ever noticed that at the very end when snoopy is serving himself and Woodstock turkey that Woodstock is eating a bird? Wouldn’t this be considered cannibalism?
Here's one to ponder: NONE of these kids have parents who are expecting them home for Thanksgiving dinner? Of course, this is a world where kids fly off to Europe unsupervised and are driven around by a dog, and no one thinks anything of it...
I always thought that Peppermint Patty was a lesbian and didn’t realize that was a thing yet, and that Marcy was just waiting patiently for her chance to show her.
It's interesting how characters can resonate with us in different ways! Peppermint Patty and Marcy definitely have a unique dynamic that many fans have interpreted in various ways.
Interesting theory, but the way I take it is this. When PP talks to Charlie Brown, she calls him Chuck. It's her name for him. But if she's referring to him to other people, she calls him Charlie Brown, since the others know him as Charlie Brown, and not Chuck. On a side note, I've never liked the actress's voicework for this line. It was completely "off."
Totally feel you on that! It’s like she’s being all casual with Chuck but then goes all formal when talking to others. And yeah, that voice just didn’t vibe, right?
@alman54 Why do people in the comments section keep saying this? This is completely false and disproven simply by watching Race for Your life Charlie Brown, she addresses him to others as Chuck. They know who Chuck is. Chuck is a nickname for Charles as is Charlie. This is a common thing and not unique to the Charlie Brown world.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Peanuts really do have a fascinating history and depth that many people overlook..... either that or I'm reading waaaay too much into nothing lol.
Seriously, I always assumed Peppermint Patty called Charlie Brown "Chuck" as CB was to formal for her. All the other kids, including his bully, Lucy, all called him Charlie Brown. I thought they all were expressing contempt & derision when calling him by his full name---as if he's an awkward outsider to the rest of them. Marcie called him Charles--THAT would be respectful.
That's an interesting perspective! It really adds depth to the dynamics between the characters. Charlie Brown definitely has a unique place in the group!
Not to be weird, but I heard the “T” pronounced in Mr. Schulz’s last name by the creator of this video. Maybe one of my greatest discoveries about Peanuts is when I realized it’s Charles Schulz, not Schultz.
Funny, I often mix up the somewhat similar sounding name of leader of the band Boston. I don't know why, but in the sidebar of recommended videos is, indeed, a video about the band. None of the other suggested videos have anything to do with the band and seem related to what I've watched recently.
It always irritated me that nobody was grateful to snoopy for all of his work that he did to give them a Thanksgiving meal! All they did was yell at him because it wasn’t what they wanted to eat. 😢
You're absolutely right! Snoopy deserves way more appreciation for all his hard work, especially during the holidays when gratitude should be at the forefront. It didn't look like even one piece of toast was burnt.
Well, I've seen that special several times, but never noticed that she called him Charlie Brown. I guess I got Chuck ground into my head so much, I never noticed. Something that I noticed in a Boy Named Charlie Brown, was Snoopy walking on all fours. He does this during the scene where Linus and Charlie are going over the I before e, except after c. He is in the door way, watching the 2 of them and then walks on all fours to join them to play the jaw harp, that comes out of no where. Amazing. Thanks for your observation.
Thank you for sharing your observations! It’s always fun to connect with fellow fans who notice the little details that make these specials so special. Your insights are much appreciated! I'm definitely going to check out Snoopy on all fours. Thanks.
I never picked up on that in all the years I've been watching it. It could be like the Thomas The Tank Engine universe, the UK version anyway. Sir Topham Hatt is called "The Fat Controller" when he's not around, but is called "Sir Topham Hatt" when being spoken to directly. Peppermint Patty most likely calls Charlie Brown "Chuck" when speaking to him directly, but calls him "Charlie Brown" in more formal settings.
A softer side... and a sweeter side. Patty truly did love him. BTW, doesn't Marcie usually call him 'Chuck' too? In that peacemaking scene, she too calls him 'Charlie Brown'!
Absolutely! Patty's affection for Charlie Brown is truly heartwarming, and you're right-Marcie does have a soft spot for calling him 'Chuck too. That might be because she always does what PP does lol.
I see this in a different way. I see peppermint Patty as calling him "Charlie Brown" kind of a step back as if she's no longer using the name "Chuck" as a term of endearment. It as if she now sees Charlie Brown as a stranger. I mean, even though she's happy to go to the grandmother's house for Thanksgiving dinner, it's as if she is starting over with Charlie Brown. Again, just my take on it.
That's an interesting perspective! Peppermint Patty's change in how she addresses Charlie Brown certainly adds a layer of complexity to their relationship.
No, she calls him Chuck because irlts a personal nickname the two when speaking to him directly , but when she address the crowd she calls him his real name because the others aren't aware of the secret nickname chuck .
@Mugwumps That's because they are full of crap. That isn't even close to true in the specials, movies and comics she calls him Chuck around the others all the time. Watch Race for your life Charlie Brown, she calls him Chuck all the time around the others. It isn't a secret nickname, she calls him Chuck because A. She is a tomboy and B. She is in love with him.
That went over my head for many years. Totally missed that and the explanation totally makes sense of Peppermint Pattie's character growth in the special. Awesome catch.
I'm glad the explanation resonated with you! Peppermint Patty's character growth is definitely one of those subtle details that can be easy to overlook.
Never as great as the Christmas or Halloween special, but still fun enough! BTW, my dad caught it right away on the original airing and others over the years have also agreed that "Woodstock is a cannibal" for eating turkey in the end! Haha! I've also heard that the reason the singing in the car sounds so bad was that they weren't able to gather the cast of kids at the same time again to record it and had to settle on mixing it later!
Haha, Woodstock definitely took "Thanksgiving dinner" to a whole new level! Who knew he was so hungry for some turkey? Next time, let’s just hope he doesn't invite any of his other bird buddies!
Yeah that's one thing I always thought about too. Fan theory: Maybe it was like the Tuesday before Thanksgiving and kids are just doing what kids do, playing pretend. Then his grandma goes along with it at the end because that's what grandmas do.
Between the comic strip and the animated movies. One can see a pattern with Peppermint Patty. When it comes to holidays especially Mother's Day.... Did her Mom pass away in child birth or when Patty was really little? She loves her friends but at the same time has a lot of contempt.
That's an interesting observation! Peppermint Patty definitely has a complex relationship with her friends and family, especially around holidays. It adds depth to her character, or maybe I'm just overthinking it.
@Mugwumps-dh1si I remember one Sunday comic strip from the Chicago Tribune Mother's day. The girls were sitting at the round table talking about what they were all going to do with their Moms. Patty went on a rant like she was said and angry at the same time. I don't remember what she said exactly. But the last frame was Sally leading Patty by the hand "I can share my Mom with you."
She was raised by a widowed father. In one comic story, she explained to Marcie that she didn't have a mother. She also talked a lot about her father referring to her as "a rare gem".
@MisterMikeTexas in the comic strip in the news paper. This was a reoccurring subject. Also one gets the idea Mrs. Brown is sorta filling the void left by the absence of Mrs. Patty.
In the comics, girls with crushes on Charlie Brown never call him Charlie Brown. Peppermint Patty calls him Chuck, Marcie calls him Charles, and that girl at camp he held hands with called him Brownie Charles.
It's interesting how nicknames can show the different dynamics in relationships! Each girl has her own unique way of connecting with Charlie.
@bobbyk9815
False! In the comics,Patty (not peppermint), Violet and Lucy all have crushes on him, but just call him Charlie Brown, so don't try to speak on things you have no idea what you are talking about.
@@GaryTongue-zn5di Lucy's crush is on Schroeder, and Patty has a secret crush on Pigpen (Though she is Charlie Brown's oldest friend and has been around as long as Charlie himself). Violet did have a crush on Charlie Brown at one time, but that changed after Charlie pushed her off her tricycle and threw things at her. After that, she became attached to Shermy
Lucy's Crush on Schroeder is more of a "Dominate and Control him" but her Mild Crush on Charlie Brown is why she calls him his full name and Emasculates him.
@@Tornado1994the only crush lucy has on charlie brown is one that flattens cars
I love the part where Snoopy wrestles the chair. I also love that Snoopy served the kids toast, popcorn, jellybeans, etc. and when they were gone he pulls out a full roasted turkey dinner with all the trimmings for himself and Woodstock, and pumpkin pie to boot.
Snoopy really knows how to throw a party! Those food choices are just classic Snoopy.
That’s my favorite as well! 😂I’m nearly 60 years old and I talk about it every year and can’t wait to watch it.
It was only a few years ago I realised something about the end. Snoopy and Woodstock are eating Turkey. And a Bird is eating Bird. And why are they eating non traditional trimmings? They have new potatoes and carrots and some other kind of vegetable. Why didn't Snoopy fix Mashed potatoes and gravy and Stuffing and Cranberry Sauce? And that Pumpkin Pie with whipped cream looked fantastic.
3:35 I never really thought anything of it! I mostly learned a lot of things here. 1. Do not invite yourself over for dinner.
2. If you do get invited and the Thanksgiving menu is not what you expect, don't complain about the menu.
3. The true meaning of Thanksgiving.
Haha, so true! Just remember Patty, if the turkey (or toast) isn’t to your liking, you can always bring your own sandwich next time!
I showed this show to my international students (high school). It was interesting that the part that they really laughed at was Charlie Brown's "Well... I... uh."
Do you know why the Peanuts characters never grow up to be adults? Because all of their dialogue would consist of "Wa-wa-waaa. Waa wa-wa waa wa wa waaa ..." 😅😅😅
LOL, right? It would be a total mess if they had to grow up! I’d just stick to my wa-wa too! Maybe that's where Chach Arcola got it.
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The one time we get to see adult characters on Peanuts is when they went to France 😄
@@MrDman21 A place where Charlie Brown was too young to rent a car- but somehow SNOOPY was permitted to drive them!
@wardarcade7452 Snoopy can do anything 😄
My Daughter is having “A Charlie Brown Friendsgiving” at College and the menu consists of: Toast, pretzel sticks, popcorn, jelly beans and ice cream parfait 🦃
Toast, pretzel sticks, and jelly beans? Looks like it's a gourmet feast fit for the Peanuts gang! Just don’t forget the Snoopy dance to go with it! Oh, and they may want to wrestle some lawn chairs.
Yeah I saw that several years ago a restaurant out in Vegas did this as a gag near Thanksgiving. You had to call in a reservation for it and it was booked. This caught on and I see numerous others have done it now as well.
Well, I'll be darned.....that is cute! "Happy 🦃 Day!"
What, no protein? All carbs and gluten.
Where does one get jellybeans this time of year?
That “Little Birdie” song has lived in my head for 50 years.
It's amazing how certain songs can stick with us for so long! That little birdie really knows how to make an impression.
I absolutely love that song!
Sooooo good. That groove is unmatched.
It was in this episode that we learned that Woodstock is a cannibal. 😨
@@PaulVanScott "Kitchen Music" was great.
#VinceGuaraldi
At the beginning of this episode, I remember Sally saying "it's Thanksgiving and I haven't even ate all my Halloween candy". How did she have any candy? She waited in the pumpkin patch all night with Linus on Halloween waiting for The Great Pumpkin.
Ah, the mysteries of the Peanuts universe! Perhaps her parents felt bad that she got duped by Linus and bought her a bunch... or they just gave her Charlie Browns.
Charlie Brown asked for a second treat for his stupid sister, as I recall
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@@rebeccablueheart No, it was Lucy who asked for the candy for her stupid brother.
@@rebeccablueheart I think that was Lucy that asked for a second treat for her "blockhead brother" who was sitting in a pumpkin patch waiting for the Great Pumpkin.
It's not Thanksgiving without Charlie Brown🍁🦃
Happy Thanksgiving, everyone 🙂
Absolutely! Charlie Brown and the gang are a timeless part of our Thanksgiving tradition. Happy Thanksgiving to you too!
Charlie Brown, Garfield Thanksgiving and Arlo Guthrie's " Alice's Restaurant " . RIP Alice Brock
I haven't done any research on this, so I could be wrong, but PP always calls him Chuck when she is talking to him directly. In this scene, she is addressing the gang without him there. That could be the reason she uses his regular name.
That's an interesting observation! It's always fun to dive into the nuances of character interactions. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
@dwaneanderson8039
You are completely wrong in every fathomable way! She calls him Chuck period, not just directly to him. She occasionally uses his real name though. How do you fail this much? 🤔
@@PaulVanScott That's exactly the answer. This has nothing to do with growth. She is addressing a group, most of whom don't call him that. I never liked this special as a kid. I always thought Charlie's Brown's inability to address the situation himself left the message that bullying was permissible.
@@Marc010
I wouldn't exactly call what Peppermint Patty did "bullying." I think I would call it an inability to listen when other people are trying to tell her something.
that's what i was thinking too :)
I think that Marcy grew up and became Velma on Scooby Doo .
Hey, works for me.
I've actually eaten less/worse for Thanksgiving dinner at low points in my life, toast, popcorn and and jelly beans would have been an improvement!
Yep, you and me both!
Those of us who have been through hard emotional times either have more empathy or less respect for those around us. We either grow into protectors and care givers or we turn into bitter uncaring people.
I have chosen the former. I think you did too.
Well said.
@@phild8095 I chose the bitter, uncaring path for the most part.
Why?
Man, I used to love this as a kid.
Ah, the nostalgia! It's like a time machine, but without the risk of running into your younger self!
agreed you had the Charlie Brown holiday trifecta Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas. Good times.
@@ellispoo44 It was a good time to be a child.
I totally noticed that, even as a young child. And I have carried it with me throughout my life. Any time I overextend my welcome, or notice that I have offended or hurt someone in some way, I have found that if I just make a slight sign of respect once or twice, it makes me feel so much better!
It's amazing how those early lessons stick with us! A little respect and acknowledgment can go a long way in healing and building relationships.
It got me laughing when you said I'm not hating the menu
Ha ha thanks. To be honest it does sound good.
I remember one Thanksgiving, and my grandparents decided to serve beef instead of turkey. Before we went over to their house, my mom had told me not to complain about the menu because it would hurt their feelings. I'm autistic and she knows that I'm not into change.
@@PaulVanScott I'm a big fan of his and I have never seen a toaster like the one that you fill on the sides
He said “I’m hating this menu.”
This episode also unveils Woodstock's secret. He's a cannibal! In the scene with him and Snoopy eating a turkey Woodstock is just overjoyed to be eating a fellow bird!
Lol yeah exactly. I wasn't even sure how to address that...or if I should. I'm chalking it up to Woodstock being clueless.
That’s just about as odd as a human being eating another mammal
Actually I think birds do eat other birds, for instance I heard that owls eat pigeons, and there are decoy owls that can be used to ward off pigeons if you don't want them messing up a place.
@@schizoidboySparrow Hawks prey on sparrows. Go anywhere in Southern Florida & you'll see turkey vultures swooping dn on morning doves, pigeons, sparrows...
Yeah, two very different species of bird. No different than a human eating a pig.
As a child I never noticed , but as an adult I noticed the shift. She actually apologized.
Ah, the magic of adulthood! It's like we get a pair of glasses that reveal all the hidden truths from our childhood!
I still watch the Charlie Brown specials and I'm 55
At 55, you've officially earned the right to watch them with a side of popcorn and a cozy blanket-it's a Charlie Brown party!
Watched it every year since 1973 In fact I watch all four of the holiday shows ever year since they came out
Same. They never get old.
Would love to, but I think Apple TV has exclusive streaming rights...
I figured she called him Charlie Brown instead of Chuck there because she was not talking directly to him.
Certainly could be. I'll have to check the other specials.
I've seen a lot of times in the strip where Peppermint Patty blames Charlie Brown for anything that goes wrong in her life! In later years, I've been more resentful of her for that!
It's interesting to see how characters evolve in our perceptions over time. Peppermint Patty's dynamic with Charlie Brown definitely raises some eyebrows!
That makes absolutely no sense, considering Peppermint Patty is in love with Charlie Brown.
@Ability-King-KK
YEZS! Schulz created Peppermint Patty and Marcy solely for the reason to have girls that actually care for Charlie, though in the comics, Lucy, Violet and Patty also all have on and off crushes on him. Sometimes HE is the mean one to them.
That is just a natural trait of women. Many husbands will testify that their wives have become angry at them at some point because of something they watched on tv, (ps. newlywed Guys, if your lady is watching "Lifetime TV or Halmark, don't expect any lovin' tonight) only dreamed about or even a random thought that crossed their mind.
@@GaryTongue-zn5di spewing garbage
As a child, I didn't even realize that Woodstock eating Turkey at the end was being cannibalistic in a sense.😂
Seriously, I used to feel bad for poor old Charlie Brown. It seemed like Linus and Marcie were the only one's willing to stand up for him.
Haha, I know, right? Poor Charlie was always getting the short end of the stick. At least Linus and Marcie had his back!
Yup, I think Peanuts is actually sad and depressing overall. It’s not that funny anyway, and honestly it’s about a kid who is picked on and doesn’t seem to catch much break. I identify with that too much, perhaps. I think it’s all overrated, highly. Both as comics and the programs.
Oh and actually, it’s not cannibalistic. It’s a turkey, not a canary or whatever that goofy-looking bird is!
@@deniseboldea1624 I'm 47 and that still never occurred to me. 🤣
@@theOlLineRebel Nah, the message is Charlie is like his tree, all he needs is a little love. And his friends despite his and their flaws, do love him Love redeems all.
Peppermint Patty's always had a crush on Chuck.
Funnier still is how Lucy Liked Charlie Brown in the old strips.
It's interesting to see how complex the relationships are in Peanuts! Peppermint Patty and Chuck definitely had a special connection.
I always saw it that way to in the cartoons, PP had a crush on CB. but CB had friend zoned her.
@@PaulVanScott I always found it funny that Patty calls him "Chuck". While Lucy Van Pelt calls him by his Full name Charlie Brown. She's the only girl who does. "Hey Charlie Brown, do you think I'm attractive? Well, I would say that you have a nice face and are decent looking. You BLOCKHEAD! You Don't think I have a Pretty Face?!"
@@Willy-hs7uu Its Marcie, she always called Charlie "Sir".
@@Tornado1994
WRONG! Marcie calls PEPPERMINT PATTY "Sir," which annoys her to no end. "Stop calling me 'SIR'!" she's always shouting.
(It kind of reminds of the running gag on the "Superman" TV show from the 1950s, where Jimmy Olsen calls "Daily Planet" editor Perry White "Chief," and Mr. White yells back "Don't call me 'Chief'!")
With Charlie Brown, on the other hand, Marcie always calls him "Charles," which is appropriate since it's obviously his real first name.
The Thanksgiving special is my favorite of all the Peanuts specials. I don’t know why, but as a kid I loved that one best and still do.
Thank you for sharing your love for the Thanksgiving special! It’s amazing how these timeless classics can stay with us throughout the years.
@@PaulVanScott Absolutely! I have an older 3 DVD set that I show my 6 year old daughter. She loves them.
I assumed that since she was speaking to the entire group, she had to talk to them all seriously. So she addressed him by him proper name, not the nickname she only called him.
Yeah you may be right. I'll have to go back and look at other times she mentioned his name to the group or an individual with him not around.
You nailed it!
I remember this special. It may have been the first to include Peppermint Patty, Marcie, and Franklin. According to an extra on the DVD, a boy voiced Peppermint Patty in this special.
The usual questions come up. Sally said that she hadn't eaten all of her Halloween candy. Didn't she spend the night with Linus waiting for the Great Pumpkin? Maybe the next year she went trick or treating. Where were the parents during all of this? Most families only own a single toaster. Did they borrow or even steal a few? There are models that can toast four slices at a time.
Some might wonder about the time of Grandmother's dinner. But that varies per families. Nowadays all the children might not have gotten to ride in the station wagon. Would there be enough seat belts? Finally, Woodstock helped Snoopy eat the turkey.
These specials should be back on network TV. Thankfully I have the DVD. Most of us missed that subtle change with Peppermint Patty. No one else called him Chuck.
It's great to see such a fond memory of this special! The characters really made an impact, and those questions definitely add an interesting layer to the story. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
The Thanksgiving special came out a few year's after The Great Pumpkin, so in theory Sally could have gone trick-or-treating prior to the events in this special, but I get where if you were growing up watching these specials as a child the continuity would be off. After all, if you watched this special and The Great Pumpkin, you would be wondering where Sally got all her Halloween candy if she were sitting in the pumpkin patch with Linus. She couldn't have shared any candy with Charlie Brown because he only got rocks. And what did Charlie Brown do to all his neighbors to make sure he only got rocks for trick-or-treating?
You’re asking about seatbelts? In 1973?
@orangehornet57
....except for the Charlie Brown and Snoopy show (your on Nickelodeon Charlie Brown in reruns) Peppermint Patty was ALWAYS voiced by boys. Not sure about the peanuts movie as I only saw it once.
Now I know that Peppermint Patty's father was called out of town on business which was why she wanted to spend it with Charlie Brown. The things that bother me though is why would her dad have to go on a business trip during Thanksgiving? And were Marcie and Franklin's parents okay with them going over to Charlie Brown's grandmother's house? They could've stayed at home with their own families for the celebration (except for Peppermint Patty).
I still love the Charlie Brown cartoons. Snoopy is my favorite animated dog. 🥰
Snoopy really is one of the best! The charm of Charlie Brown cartoons never fades, does it?
I recall well with heart warming fondness this Charlie Brown classic.
Peanuts was my all time favorite comic strip.
When I'd heard that Mr. Schulz had passed away, I was heartbroken and even cried a bit.
It was like losing a beloved family member who'd been there literally throughout your whole life.
It's amazing how much of an impact Charlie Brown and the Peanuts gang have had on so many of us. Schulz truly created a legacy that feels like family.
In Canada, we saw all the Charlie Brown cartoons..... except this one. I've never seen it and now that it's not on regular TV anymore, I never will.
It's interesting how some classic cartoons can slip through the cracks! It's a shame that this one isn't easily accessible anymore.
At 4:07 on the subject of deep emotions, the most endearing part of all the Charlie Brown series is in this Thanksgiving episode. At the end where Snoopy and Woodstock share their meal together and that tune is playing... and being outside with the Autumn leaves all around. That moment always takes me back to my childhood and simpler times when I first saw it and we a children didn't have a care in the world. That moment is so touching and nostalgic to me that I get misty eyed. I feel so good every time I watch it.
And, please, no comments on Woodstock being a canibal by eating a turkey... some clown always makes a stink about it.
I completely agree! That scene really encapsulates the warmth and nostalgia of childhood. It's amazing how a simple moment can evoke such powerful emotions and memories.
My sister had a bird who they would feed human food as treats once in a while. Not often, but the type of bird she had was officially an "omnivore" in the wild. One of that bird's FAVORITE (human) treat foods was chicken. So evidently it isn't unusual for birds to like to eat other tasty birds.
*cannibal
@michaelpalmieri7335 Thanks, I fixed the spelling error. I R an En-ga-neer... words I don't use every day are likely to be spelled incorrectly.
Ha ha lots of birds are canibals
We've had Charley Brown Thanksgiving since my son was 2. He's 15 and still insists we have it. He says it's something he plans on carrying on with his family someday. ❤😢❤
It's wonderful to hear that your son values those cherished traditions! It's amazing how certain moments can create lasting memories that we want to pass on.
Peppermint patty’s crazy! That was a great last minute Thanksgiving spread snoopy put together! Not to mention that delicious ice cream sundae!
Absolutely! Snoopy always knows how to save the day with his creative spreads and delicious treats!
It’s a story about how to treat people. I have read the book as a kid everyday in between Halloween and Thanksgiving for many years. I also have it on video and watch it it every year more than once!
Thank you for sharing your experience! It’s wonderful to know that the message resonates with you so deeply and has become a cherished part of your yearly traditions.
@ It’s a part of my life! Has been and not only the Thanksgiving one! Great Pumpkin, Christmas, and many more! I always said I wanted to meet Charles Schulz in Heaven and believe I will! I never got to meet him on earth. Thank you for your great video!
@ Yes it’s very true!
The other thing you didn't cover is : the next problem is that Marcie does by inviting not just herself but the whole gang to someone else's home for a meal. Not really a nice thing to do.
Ah, Marcie's the type to treat someone else's home like an all-you-can-eat buffet, huh? Definitely a delicate balance to strike!
"We're all invited to Charlie Brown's grandmother's for Thanksgiving Dinner." Maybe Peppermint Patty called him Charlie Brown that one time because she used his name as an adjective to describe who's grandmother she was talking about. And because, to his grandmother, he was Charlie Brown, Peppermint Patty referred to him the way his grandmother would which means that Peppermint Patty is showing respect to Charlie Brown's grandmother.🤔
Yeah that makes at least as much sense as anything I could come up with.
@@PaulVanScott 🤣 Aw, thanks.😊
I watched this episode when, it first aired on network TV. This is my favorite cartoon where, Peppermint Patty's love crush on Charlie Brown really get to shine. Hoped what, I had missed was a kiss on the cheek between the two (smile ... smile).
A cheek kiss would have been a game-changer! Maybe they were just waiting for the right moment-like when Charlie finally gets his kite to fly!
I did not realize i needed to know this, great video
Haha, I totally get it! Sometimes the best stuff sneaks up on you. Glad you enjoyed it!
I just always thought "chuck" was a term of endearment Patti gave to Charlie Brown, like a familiar friend would. I never thought it was less respectful, maybe more if you think about it.
That's an interesting perspective! It really shows how terms of endearment can vary in meaning depending on the context and the relationship between characters.
In all the years I've seen this special, I never once thought about that. Looks like Peppermint Patty has a softer side after all.
It's interesting how revisiting these classics can reveal new layers to the characters! Maybe Peppermint Patty has more depth than we often give her credit for.
One of my favorite Peanuts specials
ALSO PP invited herself, brought nothing to this gathering, complained about the offerings, was called out for her entitlement…… ended up getting a real dinner at CB’s grandmas house!
Only in comics
Sounds like PP is the ultimate comic book guest! Next time, she should at least bring some chips or a funny story to share!
Don't forget that when Charlie Brown calls his grandmother about his unexpected guests, he refers to himself as . .. 'Charlie Brown' ..to his own GRANDMOTHER. Why the full name instead of just 'Charlie'? The only reason I can possibly think of is that would make any sense might be that his grandmother has at least two grandsons named 'Charlie' so Wishy Washy used his full name to differentiate himself from one or more of his other cousins also named 'Charlie'.
No character growth for CB or Grandma there
Ah, the classic case of "Charlie Brown vs. the other Charlies." Perhaps he wanted to ensure Grandma knew it was the 'perpetually sad' one on the line!
@@PaulVanScott It could be just because everybody always calls him Charlie Brown. As best as I can remember, nobody ever calls him just Charlie.
Maybe it was his maternal grandmother so he was just specifying who he was? Or does that count as what you said?
@@dwaneanderson8039 Lucy once DID call him just 'Charlie' in one of the specials (IIRC, the Christmas special).
@@tigerlord9302 It wouldn't matter whether it was 'Grandma Brown' or 'Granny X'. Most grandmothers know all their grandkids' first names so the only reason I can imagine him referring to HIMSELF as 'Charlie Brown' would be if he h.ad at least one other cousin named 'Charlie'.
I've seen this special countless times over the years, and I've never noticed Peppermint Patty doing that. I have a very special connection with this particular special because we're the same age. 😄
It's amazing how many little details we can miss, even after watching something multiple times! It’s great to hear you have a special connection with it.
@Mugwumps-dh1si You're absolutely correct about the little details we can miss at times. I agree wholeheartedly, sir.
And I read Peanuts comics. And I never knew poor Peppermint Patty only had her father. Her mother had died. And she was alone a lot.
Right? I always thought her biggest struggle was just getting Chuck to notice her! Who knew there was a whole backstory of parental drama going on?
one thing I could never stand about Peppermint Patty in ANY of the Charlie Brown shows is that she doesn't listen.She puts people on the spot.She demands things,has unrealistic expectations and gets angry when people don't give her what she expected. Thing is,if she actually gave people a chance to get a word in,they would tell her they aren't able/capable of doing what she wants. If I knew someone like her,she wouldn't be someone who I would even talk to. Thankfully we have cellphones with caller ID these days. Someone like her would drive me crazy
@MissyFaith1971 we had a girl like her in our inner city Ministry some years back. Really good leader and we tried to encourage that in her but she definitely was bossy. Like Peppermint Patty she had no mother, her mother died when she was a toddler. Once she trusted Christ as her savior you could see the change in her. She never said what but you could tell when we had prayer time there were times when she definitely was quiet longer with her head bowed like she was giving some things over to God. Just admitting she needed the help was the key and that's something Peppermint Patty doesn't do. I remember one time in class our director was teaching something, and this was after this girl had trusted Christ to save her, and she just blurted out that she had no idea what our director was talking about. But she said it politely and like she wanted to know, and our director could sometimes get a little wordy and not think about his audience if he wasn't careful.
This girl also had a lot of hidden anxieties that Peppermint Patty probably has, and that's why she was like that.
I think in dealing with a girl like Peppermint Patty the key is to show her that it's okay if she's not perfect and that it's okay to ask for help. I think the fact I have physical handicaps and did so much with the ministry, yet I was always humble, helped her a lot too because she saw an example of someone who was probably like what she saw herself as. Even though she didn't have physical problems, mentally she was quite insecure. I think Peppermint Patty is the same way.
Right? If Peppermint Patty had a smartphone, her contact name would probably be “DO NOT ANSWER!” 😂 She’d definitely be the queen of missed calls!
She may be stubborn and doesn't listen but Lucy is meaner than her. At least Peppermint Patty learns and does try to make right after she wrongs a person.😁
@@angelalong6740yes, she isn’t mean to”Chuck”. Lucy is the worst but again, most of the characters are pretty bad.
@@angelalong6740Agreed, that was one of the things with that girl I mentioned in our inner city ministry also, and probably one of the reasons it was so easy for her to realize her need for Christ as her savior. Like her, I believe Peppermint Patty is not as intentional about quite a few of the rude things she does - unlike Lucy.
My all time favorite Peanuts cartoon. But alas, it no longer comes on regular tv.
I totally understand! The Peanuts cartoons have a special place in our hearts, and it's a shame they're not as accessible anymore.
"You never noticed what she did..."
There was something I did notice which was weird, because...
Near the end of the episode, Patty says to Charlie Brown, "There's enough problems in the world already, Chuck, without these stupid misunderstandings. Let's not play lovers' games, Chuck."
Umm.. From what I've read, both Charlie Brown and Peppermint Patty are 8 years old!
What kind of 8-year-olds talk about "lovers' games"?!
She probably heard it somewhere and dind't know exactly what it meant but yeah, weird, good catch.
I think, in the comic strip and in Charlie Brown's Cylopedia, PP is a fan of Dustin Hoffman. It might have been used in a movie he appeared in. Her Dad never seemed to be around, so she probably watched some Late Night Movies on TV and caught a few of his, and heard the line.
There's a lot of dialogue in the Peanuts comic strip and TV specials that are adult sounding.
That's part of the humor. Little kids spouting grownup talk.
For example, from "A Charlie Brown Christmas":
Lucy Van Pelt: "I know how you feel about all this Christmas business, getting depressed and all that. It happens to me every year. I never get what I really want. I always get a lot of stupid toys or a bicycle or clothes or something like that."
Charlie Brown: "What is it you want?"
Lucy Van Pelt: "Real estate."
Also in the Christmas special when Lucy says "everyone knows Christmas is run by a big Eastern Syndicate"
I've thought about this sort of thing many times over the years. Look at the Simpsons, Sponge Bob Squarepants...probably many other shows. They're written on two levels, child humor that keeps the kids laughing but if you listen a LITTLE BIT CLOSER...adults can be entertained just as well. There's really a certain level of genius(?) involved.
*"Thanks, Chuck."*
Lol. He should have called her "Peppy".
@@PaulVanScott How about "PABS"???
Or YORKIE? HOW'S THAT FOR SOME SUBTEXT?
Lol, get the sensation.
I can honestly say I've never seen the Thanksgiving special. Thanksgiving for my fam wasn't a one day event...it was a whole month thing. We didn't watch much tv in November or December.
Though mom did let us watch the California Raisins claymation and Charlie Brown Christmas specials.
Dad didn't have much say in the matter. He was always working. So he had no say, lol.
Had to really think about Thanksgiving tv specials with this vid. After sitting here for 20 mins, yeah - can honestly say I definitely didn't watch much tv in November. I remember family trips down to Kentucky and Tennessee a lot in November to visit with various fam members.
Nothing like a good ole family road trip in the old plymouth in the 80s. :)
Thank you for sharing your wonderful Thanksgiving memories! It’s a reminder that family time can be just as special, even without the TV shows. Yeah it's kind of weird that Thanksgiving really didn't have anymore classic specials.
Snoopy kept all the good stuff for him and woodstock LOL
I always tell myself that that happens later in the day and the grandmother sent it back for them.
Thanks for making this video as someone who grew up watching this special and I somehow never thought much of that moment. I thought it was a missed opportunity to air the special on TV for its 50th anniversary last year. Also fun fact the voice of Peppermint Patty Christopher Defaria later went on to be a producer for WB films including the Tom and Jerry Movie which I find to be a hilarious bit of trivia
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! It's interesting how certain moments can go unnoticed until someone brings them to light. And that trivia about Christopher DeFaria is fascinating-such a great connection to the world of animation!
I have to point out something else a little weird in the clip. Why is Sally there? Wouldn't she have already been invited to her own grandmother's house for Thanksgiving?
Interesting observation. Nice. Also where was Lucy? I have a video coming up this month about that too.
@@PaulVanScott - Lucy did her thing where she pulled the football away from Charlie Brown in the cold open. Other than that, she wasn't really important to the show.
Right but her brother was there and she is usually with the bunch.
I thought the popcorn and toast meal was to happen BEFORE the Browns went to grandma's house, so of course Sally was still there! Clearly, his parents didn't go on ahead because who was driving the car they eventually were riding in? I assumed it was CB's parents!
They have this dinner earlier in the day because of Peppermint Patty inviting herself to the dinner with his family, then later they leave for his grandparents house at the end of the special.
I know in pop culture they imply Peppermint Patty and Marcie were a couple but looking back as an adult, she was totally into Charlie Brown.
It’s interesting how our perspectives change as we grow up! Peppermint Patty's feelings for Charlie Brown definitely have a different vibe when viewed through an adult lens.
Marcie called her "Sir"
@@TheNeonRabbit The fact that Marcie always called her "sir" and in this special the part where PP ask Marcie to apologize to Charlie Brown for her and says "you know me I'll just mess things up I'm too brusk and rough" does indeed raise an eyebrow. 😬😬😬😬😬😬
in school they told us they probably had popcorn at the first Thanksgiving
Leave it to Snoopy to be historically correct.
Glad you brought this up because I never caught it and I watched it every year
It's surprising how many little details we miss, even after multiple viewings! Glad you enjoyed the video!
I'm not an expert or anything, but I was a child of that era Charlie Brown actually came out I think the year before I was born which was 1966. I mean that I was born in '67 and I think a boy named Charlie Brown might have come out in 66, so Charlie Brown Charlie Brown Christmas Charlie Brown Thanksgiving special someone and so on was part of my childhood. to the point that I actually cry when I listen to the theme song a boy named Charlie Brown it brings back so many memories it's so nostalgic but it is actually such a beautiful piece of music. anyway, I'll get to the point peppermint Patty I think was Charles Schultz's idea of what early feminism look like if you think about it we had figures like Gloria Steinem and a lot of women actually mirror their personalities if not identities on what they thought Gloria Steinem was like. as an adult peppermint Patty always reminded me of the assertiveness that I think people I guess the term would be relate the glorious dynam, I think that a lot of women actually fetishize what they think she was like. she seems pushy and she seemed like that type of person but I think that she was actually just assertive, I could be totally wrong totally off the mark but always thought as I got older that peppermint Patty was like a caricature of Gloria Steinem and if you realize caricatures are boosted up to 11. I could be totally wrong and I'll probably am and if I have offended anyone I apologize. I would also like to add that peppermint Patty always if I remember right she showed that she meant well and she was also seemingly a great person to have on your side I love peppermint Patty she's probably one of my favorite peanut characters I just realized I kind of had a soft spot for Linus never cared much for Snoopy I like Woodstock a little bit but funny thing is peppermint Patty seemed real, never cared for Lucy as a child but I realize that Lucy is like a real little girl she's mischievous mean spirited but not evil she's just kind of a mischievous little girl. but peppermint Patty, is that little girl in school that gets involved in the student body All of the clubs and stuff she wants to make change peppermint patties the little girl that Greta thunberg wish she could be. actually I just want to say thank you and my voice is cracking, to Mr Charles Schultz for seeing children in the light that he saw them in and as a black man for giving us Franklin way before things like that became common
Well said. The Peanuts Gang touched many people in many ways. Thanks for your perspective.
@Mugwumps-dh1si oh wow, thank you
I Think the bigger issue is that Woodstock is a Cannibal in this movie.
Haha, right? Who would have thought Woodstock was hiding such a wild secret? Gotta love those unexpected twists!
My favorite Charlie Brown special!
A person of refined taste, I see! Charlie Brown always manages to teach us life lessons, even if he can't kick that football!
I never caught that. It had a more respectful tone to it.
Yeah, and it's one of those things that, once you know, you can't un-hear it.
One thing I'm glad. They finally put Franklin in there. Cuz remember Franklin they put them on the other side
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Franklin definitely has a special place in many fans' hearts, and it’s awesome to see him getting more spotlight.
But they put poor Franklin in that crazy accident -prone chair, sitting alone on the opposite side of the table!
@@cynthiamclellan6745Have you ever sat in one of those old hardwood chairs with the spindles at your back? Your butt will hurt so bad you won't want to get up. Everyone but Franklin' has one. Franklin's chair is relaxed, reclined ever so gently with soft cloth for his rump & his back. He's got easy access to 2 bowls of popcorn, an ice cream sundae & what appears to be a scone in a plate & he's the only one with an eating utensil! He done real good for himself.
Maybe a breakfast Thanksgiving dinner? No jellybeans (They're out of place), but we could have scrambled eggs, grits, home fries, bacon, ham, and sausage. And English muffins with apple butter and bacon! And plenty of coffee! And as a chaser, bowls of Cinnamon Toast Crunch!
Jellybeans have officially been banned from the breakfast table! But I’m totally on board with bacon and Cinnamon Toast Crunch as the ultimate power couple!
I always thought Peppermint Patty was into girls, not guys. Same as Velma from Scooby Doo.
Totally feel you on that! Characters like Peppermint Patty and Velma have such complex vibes-it’s cool to see how everyone reads them differently!
I never noticed
i luvd CB never missed a special but I never made my sons watch and i mostly made them watch all the stuff i liked. IDK why I guess there were too many times I felt bad for CB I didn't want them to feel bad.
Thank you for sharing your experience! It's always insightful to hear how our childhood favorites influence our parenting choices.
Interesting that Sally was cheering also. Because as sister of Charlie Brown she would have been going to her own grandmother's condo anyway. Unless she was just happy her friends were going.
You make a great point! Sally's enthusiasm definitely raises some questions about her priorities and friendships. It's always fun to think about these character dynamics!
I always just thought she was excited that all of her friends were getting to go along as well. 😊
She was probably thrilled that her Sweet Baboo was going.
@kittyprydekissme Haha! Yes!! There should have been little hearts all around her head while she was cheering!! 💕
@JillMorgan-b7y
FALSE! Niether Charlie Brown nor Sally were invited to their grandma's UNTIL Charlie explained to the grandma their situation. Try to pay better attention next time!
I really like the decor of your den.
Thanks.
This was a wonderful video, I appreciate the job you did.
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Your support means a lot!
You warmed my heart. Beautiful!
Thanks a ton! That makes my day! Glad you liked it.
Maybe it just simply shows the writers made a mistake. And the voice actors just read what's in front of them.
Yeah that works too lol.
Peppermint Patty revealed herself as a real b-word in this special. She demands that Charlie Brown make a Thanksgiving feast for her, provides no money, no help, nothing. Then complains at what she receives.
Snoopy isn't much better. At the end he pulls out an entire roast turkey that he COULD have served to the guests, since there was DEFINITELY more than he and Woostock would be able to consume.
You make a great point! It’s interesting to see how some characters can be so demanding while others seem to have a hidden stash of goodies.
If I were Charlie Brown, I'd marry Peppermint Patty when we grew up.
That's a sweet thought! Charlie and Peppermint Patty would make a great couple. They've got the right dynamic for a marriage!
She only calls Charlie Brown "Chuck" when speaking directly to him (It's her pet name for him). When speaking about him, she always says Charlie Brown. And she does sometimes call him Charlie Brown directly, such as when her team arrives to help his team in baseball and finds that the baseball field has been turned into a garden.
You’ve really captured the essence of their relationship! It’s interesting how those little pet names bring such depth to their interactions.
Franklin's not by himself; he's next to.Linus. Also, that lounge chair looks compfy.
Thanks for pointing that out! Franklin and Linus are a great pair, and I’m glad you noticed the lounge chair too-it’s the ultimate relaxation station!
@@PaulVanScott Linus and Marcie are at the ends of the table instead of sitting beside Franklin.
We still watch it every year. We have it on Blue Ray.
Same. It's a classic that always brings back great memories.
Have anyone ever noticed that at the very end when snoopy is serving himself and Woodstock turkey that Woodstock is eating a bird? Wouldn’t this be considered cannibalism?
Right? It’s like a turkey dinner with a side of moral dilemmas! Woodstock must have a very unique perspective on Thanksgiving!
Here's one to ponder: NONE of these kids have parents who are expecting them home for Thanksgiving dinner? Of course, this is a world where kids fly off to Europe unsupervised and are driven around by a dog, and no one thinks anything of it...
True! Maybe the parents are just really chill or they’ve all taken a permanent vacation themselves. Who knows?
I always thought that Peppermint Patty was a lesbian and didn’t realize that was a thing yet, and that Marcy was just waiting patiently for her chance to show her.
It's interesting how characters can resonate with us in different ways! Peppermint Patty and Marcy definitely have a unique dynamic that many fans have interpreted in various ways.
Interesting theory, but the way I take it is this. When PP talks to Charlie Brown, she calls him Chuck. It's her name for him. But if she's referring to him to other people, she calls him Charlie Brown, since the others know him as Charlie Brown, and not Chuck.
On a side note, I've never liked the actress's voicework for this line. It was completely "off."
Totally feel you on that! It’s like she’s being all casual with Chuck but then goes all formal when talking to others. And yeah, that voice just didn’t vibe, right?
Peppermint Patty is voiced a male voice actor for the Thanksgiving episode. That's probably why it sounded off.
@alman54
Why do people in the comments section keep saying this? This is completely false and disproven simply by watching Race for Your life Charlie Brown, she addresses him to others as Chuck. They know who Chuck is. Chuck is a nickname for Charles as is Charlie. This is a common thing and not unique to the Charlie Brown world.
@@GaryTongue-zn5di WRONG
Wow! What a great analysis. I loved your video! I've always loved peanuts but I didn't know they could go so deep.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Peanuts really do have a fascinating history and depth that many people overlook..... either that or I'm reading waaaay too much into nothing lol.
Seriously, I always assumed Peppermint Patty called Charlie Brown "Chuck" as CB was to formal for her. All the other kids, including his bully, Lucy, all called him Charlie Brown. I thought they all were expressing contempt & derision when calling him by his full name---as if he's an awkward outsider to the rest of them. Marcie called him Charles--THAT would be respectful.
That's an interesting perspective! It really adds depth to the dynamics between the characters. Charlie Brown definitely has a unique place in the group!
Not to be weird, but I heard the “T” pronounced in Mr. Schulz’s last name by the creator of this video. Maybe one of my greatest discoveries about Peanuts is when I realized it’s Charles Schulz, not Schultz.
Yeah that was me. I screwed up. Force of habit. Growing up I always thought it had a T in it. Hopefully I'll get it right next time.
Funny, I often mix up the somewhat similar sounding name of leader of the band Boston. I don't know why, but in the sidebar of recommended videos is, indeed, a video about the band. None of the other suggested videos have anything to do with the band and seem related to what I've watched recently.
It always irritated me that nobody was grateful to snoopy for all of his work that he did to give them a Thanksgiving meal! All they did was yell at him because it wasn’t what they wanted to eat. 😢
You're absolutely right! Snoopy deserves way more appreciation for all his hard work, especially during the holidays when gratitude should be at the forefront. It didn't look like even one piece of toast was burnt.
I wonder if the writer just had an oversight when he wrote the line. Now we are all trying to make some greater meaning out of it.
You're probably right. But hey, it's fun to speculate.
The cute comments on this video make me happy.🥰
Same!
What did Peppermint Patty expect that a nine year old would have the ability to cook a proper Thanksgiving dinner?
Haha, right? Kids really do have some wild ideas about what they, or their friends, can pull off!
Well, I've seen that special several times, but never noticed that she called him Charlie Brown. I guess I got Chuck ground into my head so much, I never noticed. Something that I noticed in a Boy Named Charlie Brown, was Snoopy walking on all fours. He does this during the scene where Linus and Charlie are going over the I before e, except after c. He is in the door way, watching the 2 of them and then walks on all fours to join them to play the jaw harp, that comes out of no where. Amazing. Thanks for your observation.
Thank you for sharing your observations! It’s always fun to connect with fellow fans who notice the little details that make these specials so special. Your insights are much appreciated! I'm definitely going to check out Snoopy on all fours. Thanks.
@@PaulVanScott There is a clip of the song on TH-cam where you see him walking on all 4's
I never picked up on that in all the years I've been watching it. It could be like the Thomas The Tank Engine universe, the UK version anyway. Sir Topham Hatt is called "The Fat Controller" when he's not around, but is called "Sir Topham Hatt" when being spoken to directly. Peppermint Patty most likely calls Charlie Brown "Chuck" when speaking to him directly, but calls him "Charlie Brown" in more formal settings.
Thanks for sharing that insight! It's always fun to dive deeper into these characters and their relationships. I appreciate your thoughtful comment!
A softer side... and a sweeter side. Patty truly did love him.
BTW, doesn't Marcie usually call him 'Chuck' too? In that peacemaking scene, she too calls him 'Charlie Brown'!
Absolutely! Patty's affection for Charlie Brown is truly heartwarming, and you're right-Marcie does have a soft spot for calling him 'Chuck too. That might be because she always does what PP does lol.
Marcie usually calls him "Charles", mainly because she's more polite and proper compared to Peppermint Patty.
I see this in a different way. I see peppermint Patty as calling him "Charlie Brown" kind of a step back as if she's no longer using the name "Chuck" as a term of endearment. It as if she now sees Charlie Brown as a stranger. I mean, even though she's happy to go to the grandmother's house for Thanksgiving dinner, it's as if she is starting over with Charlie Brown. Again, just my take on it.
That's an interesting perspective! Peppermint Patty's change in how she addresses Charlie Brown certainly adds a layer of complexity to their relationship.
Wow! Super fast response! I see your side of it though; maybe this was a new beginning for Charlie Brown and Peppermint Patty.@@PaulVanScott
No, she calls him Chuck because irlts a personal nickname the two when speaking to him directly , but when she address the crowd she calls him his real name because the others aren't aware of the secret nickname chuck .
OK. I did't realize she only did it when no one else was around.
@Mugwumps
That's because they are full of crap. That isn't even close to true in the specials, movies and comics she calls him Chuck around the others all the time. Watch Race for your life Charlie Brown, she calls him Chuck all the time around the others. It isn't a secret nickname, she calls him Chuck because A. She is a tomboy and B. She is in love with him.
My thought is because not everyone would have known who Chuck was and instead everyone would know who Charlie Brown is.
Could be but it doesn't seem like that's the kind of thing that Peppermint Patty would think or care about.
As I got older of watching the Peanuts movies like the 100th time I did noticed that Peppermint Patty is crushing on Charly
It's interesting how our perspectives change as we grow up! Peppermint Patty's feelings definitely add a new layer to the story.
This cartoon used to be ahown on TV in years past, but not anymore.
Ah, the good old days when cartoons were just a click away and not hidden behind a mountain of streaming services!
Excellent catch, and reporting!
Appreciate it! Glad you liked it!
That went over my head for many years. Totally missed that and the explanation totally makes sense of Peppermint Pattie's character growth in the special. Awesome catch.
I'm glad the explanation resonated with you! Peppermint Patty's character growth is definitely one of those subtle details that can be easy to overlook.
Never as great as the Christmas or Halloween special, but still fun enough! BTW, my dad caught it right away on the original airing and others over the years have also agreed that "Woodstock is a cannibal" for eating turkey in the end! Haha! I've also heard that the reason the singing in the car sounds so bad was that they weren't able to gather the cast of kids at the same time again to record it and had to settle on mixing it later!
Haha, Woodstock definitely took "Thanksgiving dinner" to a whole new level! Who knew he was so hungry for some turkey? Next time, let’s just hope he doesn't invite any of his other bird buddies!
I caught that some years ago 😂😂😂😂
Smaller birds will scavange Thanksgiving turkey leftovers if given the opportunity.
Never noticed before! Thanks!
I'm glad you liked itl! Sometimes it's the little things that make a big difference.
Never thought about it before, but how are all those kids free to do whatever on Thanksgiving? Seems like their families would want them home.
Yeah that's one thing I always thought about too. Fan theory: Maybe it was like the Tuesday before Thanksgiving and kids are just doing what kids do, playing pretend. Then his grandma goes along with it at the end because that's what grandmas do.
Between the comic strip and the animated movies. One can see a pattern with Peppermint Patty. When it comes to holidays especially Mother's Day.... Did her Mom pass away in child birth or when Patty was really little? She loves her friends but at the same time has a lot of contempt.
That's an interesting observation! Peppermint Patty definitely has a complex relationship with her friends and family, especially around holidays. It adds depth to her character, or maybe I'm just overthinking it.
@Mugwumps-dh1si I remember one Sunday comic strip from the Chicago Tribune Mother's day. The girls were sitting at the round table talking about what they were all going to do with their Moms. Patty went on a rant like she was said and angry at the same time. I don't remember what she said exactly. But the last frame was Sally leading Patty by the hand "I can share my Mom with you."
Wow. That is interesting.
She was raised by a widowed father. In one comic story, she explained to Marcie that she didn't have a mother. She also talked a lot about her father referring to her as "a rare gem".
@MisterMikeTexas in the comic strip in the news paper. This was a reoccurring subject. Also one gets the idea Mrs. Brown is sorta filling the void left by the absence of Mrs. Patty.
I love the Peanuts characters
I should get the collection on DVD.
Yeah me and my wife got it. Great stuff.
It's at Wal-Mart now
I particularly love Franklin’s seating placement at the Thanksgiving table… how his best friend on the show is sitting right next to him…..
Right? It's like the ultimate Thanksgiving power move-best friends getting the front-row seats to all the turkey action!