@Deleted - Gerbils don't talk Dalek's into committing suicide to tie up loose ends. Gerbils don't play mind-games with their enemies while orchestrating the destruction of that enemies home planet. Gerbils don't befriend other Gerbils before butchering their faith and friendship just to overcome a nastier Gerbil. Gerbils don't befriend other Gerbils and manipulate them into destroying their own timeline. Gerbils don't hear the dying pleas of an antagonist and use that as an opportunity to monologue about why said antagonist should be shitting their pants instead of asking for his help. Gerbils don't take their 'friends' against their will to the one place they fear the most just to make a point. The list goes on and on and on and on. There's a reason 7 is regarded as the chess-master. In fact, many would regard 7 as the best option for the Time War rather than a War Doctor. If you don't believe it when people tell you he was dark and manipulative, then you clearly haven't seen enough of him. I recommend listening to his "Fear Me" speech if you want an idea of what the writers originally intended for him.
@Deleted - I understand what you're saying, but regardless of whether you like McCoy or not, the Seventh Doctor (character) is undoubtedly responsible for the highest volume of questionable acts (for the Doctor), especially if you embrace expanded media, and it all stems from the Cartmel Masterplan. PS. Suspending disbelief is pretty much a requirement of the show. We're dealing with a humanoid alien with a space-and-time machine who farts around the galaxy being a hero. In the classic era, that can involve anything from the Loch Ness Monster to aliens made out of bubble-wrap and green goop. It'd be like seeing Capaldi as the Doctor and constantly referring to him as Malcolm Tucker.
I agree. Never understood why this isn't a classic, I remembered it from my UK Gold days and rewatched it recently, it just got better! Beautifully crafted, with those fantastic dark sets, and everyone forced to be happy in this terrible place, on pain of death. A revolutionary blues musician, a psychotic Bertie Bassett and a Maggie Thatcher dictator, I think this episode shows Doctor Who at it's very bravest and best. Plus The Happiness Patrol is a great name for a band.
Crusty Pete's Day Old Meat Platter People don't give it a chance because it has a kandy man as a villain, so people go out of their way to avoid it. Quite sad really.
@@LythgoemaniaWhich is sad because the Kandyman is only really stupid looking in stills... When the thing is moving around and speaking it is genuinely terrifying... A monsterous abomination coated in sugar... An unhinged human mind in a robot made of candy... A corruption of something that normally brings joy to people... The fact people shit on this but see nothing stupid about the christmas robots or killer christmas trees from the RTD era, which is the same kind of corruption of something innocent and joyful thing but done shallowly to the point it's just cringey, truly boggles my mind...
@@parrot998 well said. This was the first McCoy story I watched and the Kandyman was genuinely terrifying, this ridiculous looking creature that was totally sadistic and killed people for it's own amusement. McCoy was fantastic because he was so anti violence, it really struck me even though I was really young when it aired
Seven is such an underrated incarnation of the Doctor. Anytime anyone dismisses McCoy's incarnation I always show them this scene. Truly haunting and mesmerizing.
They were actually going to film the entire episode in black and white - a) as a nod to the classics and b) so that the lack of colour would further bring out the point of the episode, "Be happy, or die".
Precisely - because the story actually had some substance to it, what with the social commentary it was trying to make - and it could overcome the low production values.
I'm always mesmerized by this scene, unable to look away as the Chessmaster plays checkmate... And then after it's over I finally can shudder and stand in awe of McCoy's brilliant acting. One of my favorite Doctor Who scenes, hands down.
Love McCoy's performance here. When he first confronts the guards he's nervous but confident in his ability to handle the situation. As he sees that his plan is working the nervousness fades with each line and the confidence increases. And it still scares me a little when he says "Shut up!"
What I like about it is he already knows the other guy isn't a threat - he doesn't even look at him, not even once. He's got his eyes fixed 110% on the one he knows would do something reckless - and yes, that SHUT UP is epic, putting the lesser threat into submission while he works on the other without even moving.
And once the guy says "...I've never used one up close before" The Doctor pretty much has all the info he needs. He knows the guy has never had to look into the face of the person he was killing, so he tells him to look into his eyes, and then the guy can't go through with it. I know the title says "The Doctor's Mind Power" but I think in this case it's another example of the Doctor being really good at reading people and knowing the right thing to say to diffuse a situation.
He's so intimidating with such a presence... And he doesn't even glance at the other guy as he orders him to shut up and throw away his gun... The more I watch of the 7th Doctor, the more I love him
I've never seen the Seventh Doctor this dark before. I had doubts whether or not Sylvester could pull off playing a dark character. I think he did a great job there. I actually felt threatened.
When people say Ten or Twelve were the darker selves of the Doctor, I think of this scene. Just imagine if Sylvester returned to the role at his age now; do you think he would be more or less terrifying as the Doctor now as was back then?
He'd be better - more knowledgable of the tone, and age means he'd need to ramp up the deviousness and speeches to remain intimidating rather than relying on action. 7 will always be a scary concept as a Doctor - the one who plans so far ahead that fates are sealed before he's even left the TARDIS. He doesn't walk into danger by accident - he looks for it and fixes in a cold, calculated manner.
There's a reason that the 8th Doctor, in many of his radio plays, looks back on 7 with a certain guilt and dread. Because 7 was a monster when you got him angry.
i’ve now watched this clip more times than i’ve kept count of and it saddens me that, in all likelihood, we’ll never see a season of doctor who *precisely* as chilling as this moment with sylvester mccoy.
The Time Lords always had strong hypnotic powers. Both John Pertwee and Tom Baker used them. But not like this. You can almost see the Doctor evolving towards the eventual John Hurt character.
One thing that irked me about the Tenth Doctor was his black-and-white hatred of guns. Here, Seven presents a more interesting hatred of firearms, criticizing them more as a symbol of cowardice than ad a symbol of sometimes-necessary violence.
The irony is 7th has probably been 'shot' more times than any other Doctor, assuming you include the audio dramas. Not that I've counted but he took three bullets in the movie and was shot in the shoulder by Tennant's baddie in one of the audios - even shot by RIVERSONG in one of the latest - and shot by a laser weapon in another (and there are undoubtedly other times as well). You're right on the other thing, though - it's the ease of the trigger vs the reality of murder. The title should be "Mind Games" rather than "Mind Power" if you ask me.
Technically it wasn't - he didn't die to the bullets (they were in his shoulder and leg), it was the operation performed by ignorant humans who didn't understand his double-heart beat, so they went to 'investigate' and clogged his heart(s) with their probe. A brutal death.
The more clips of McCoy I see the more impressed I am. He could be deep and dark, with a profound wisdom. But, I remember that from the shows so many years ago...
At this point,the Doctor should have quoted the Fourth Doctors line from Horns Of Nimon."Why dont you give me the gun?Then i can keep an eye on myself so that i dont get up to any funny buisnness"Lol.
It's not just guns - he has a hatred of weapons in general, which is reflected in his relationship with Ace. He threatened to decapitate a Knight in Battlefield with his own sword, but the Knight used THIS EXACT SAME SPEECH against Seven. Whenever he needs a problem exploded or beaten up, he relies on Ace to do it, unless he has no other choice (eg. When he decides to face the Destroyer in Battlefield but is stopped by the Brigadier, or in Remembrance when he himself blows up a Dalek as he knows the soldiers have no chance on their own, and Ace at the time had never seen one before thus he didn't want to put her in danger). Check his speech against Morgane in Battlefield when she threatens to unleash nuclear weapons - it's one of the few angry moments of Seven. In multiple episodes outside of that, he's constantly bitter about the use of weapons of all kinds, guns especially as it's just so 'easy'.
This was one of my favorite scenes when I watched classic Who. This scene among several others are the reason McCoy is within my top three favorite doctors ❤️❤️.
Seven: I'm either going to pull off an epic stunt with my mind powers or just fry this guy during my regeneration. Not sure which one sounds more appealing at the moment.
Speaking of McCoy, another Doctor McCoy on Star Trek showed a similar gutsy bad-ass attitude when confronted by Khan with a knife in sick bay in the classic Space Seed episode about 20 years earlier. Both very intense moments in TV & good acting.
Remembrance of the Dalek's is arguably the best bridge between Old and New Who. If you haven't seen much of Sylvester, you absolutely should watch Remembrance, as well as Curse of Fenric. Happiness Patrol is underrated - suffers from the dodgy and poorly lit sets/costumes, but the soundtrack is delicious and you'll either love or loathe the Candyman. Some find him extremely creepy, others find him... Well... A bit too camp.
I remember this story scaring the crap out of me when I was 10. I'm looking for the scene "death by red goo" that is still stuck in my mind 32 years later.
I think that was the point. The great schemer Doctor who always had a plan and an escape route was caught off guard by a presumed dead enemy and shot like a total punk in a street fight he wasn't even part of. McCoy often says he enjoys that in interviews.
I suppose there will be a lot of negative comments on here about the Kandy Man which is unfair as the rest of the story had so much going for it. Great performances from Sheila Hancock,Leslie Dunlop & Harold Innocent. A dark sardonic script and a brutal attack on Thatcherism. I loved this one at the time and I remember wishing that Earl had become a companion! As for the Kandy Man is he really that bad? Its a fine construction and David-John-Pope is great in the role. This Scene? - Sublime!
I consider the Kandyman to be one of the best villains in Classic Who, As for his resemblance to Bertie Bassett, that's like saying Sharez Jek is too derivative of Tobias Vaughn because they're both composed of flesh. Aside from the substance that superficially makes them, the Kandyman acts nothing like the jovial, even tempered Bertie.
it simply renders itself to the acting... Act happy and it won't matter if you actually are... do not question your action; the only answer is that disrupting the illusion points toward the reality and that cannot be allowed. remove the doubter and restore the premise: act happy and you will be seen to be. pretense over being....
Ironically, Mordred used the same speech on 7 in Battlefield & it worked. Hilarious though when The Brigadier stepped up & shoved his pistol against Mordred's head & said, "Try me." & you know full well The Brig would pull that trigger. 😂
Even more haunting considering how the 7th Doctor died after being shot. But this scene sums up the pointlessness of violence and killing. People who use these think they have the power and control, but no one does.
Maybe a little bit of unintended foreshadowing... wasn't the Seventh ultimately shot by somebody who didn't look him in the eye? ...or even see him at all.
@@paulnash9851In the novelisation of Battlefield it's said that the future Doctor/Merlin referenced during the story is a redhead, yet we still have not yet had a red-headed Doctor. 😞
That Patrolman hought he would be invincible with a gun... Until a man who came from inside a blue box showed him that despite how seemingly easy it is to take a life... It NEVER is. And never will be. For in the end... The Patrolman was just a fool playing with a weapon.
There are so many Killjoys in these comments, would you like to disappear or be sent to the Kandy Kitchen just remember to keep smiling as happiness will prevail :)
For more of 7th's TV darkness, check out his crushing victory speech to the supreme dalek after the destruction of Skaro in "Remembrance of the Dalek's", his "Kill her" speech in "Curse of Fenric" where he brutally demoralizes Ace, his speech to Morgaine in "Battlefield" where he explains the horror of nuclear weapons, and the scene where he asks Ace to do something explosive for him in Silver Nemesis. Just a small bunch of examples. His scenes with the Master & Davros in Survival & Remembrance are also noteworthy. He's also at his most melancholic in Ghost Light, which is overall a pretty dark and atmospheric episode that's very character (rather than plot) driven, so it's worth watching to see 7 in action. For Doctor Who at its most dark and intriguing, Curse of Fenric is still the episode to watch - it has pretty much everything you need for a whopping episode that features Doctor No.7 in full-on chess mode with plenty of explosions and no nonsense attitude.
@@RopeDrink I liked it in Delta and the Bannerman. Oops I mean Bannermen, when he says "I might've gone a little too far" it shows that he's taking risks and somehow that makes him even more epic. My favorite doctor even tho I love them all.☺
It’s a great scene, but in the same season he uses the Hand of Omega to blow up Skaro! Sniper rifle versus repurposed remote stellar manipulator…….But then again, the Doctor isn’t meant to be a paragon of virtue, he is flawed, even hypocritical, but heroic in spite of these flaws.
The only real problem I can see unless you get hung up on the Kandy Man is the studio bound Terra Alpha,and the go-karts that travel at about 2mph. But with so much money being spent in season 25 on the location work for Rememberance,Nemisis & Greatest Show there had to be cost cutting somewhere and sadly this was the story that felt the pinch. Still a great three parter though IMO.
It is dark, in context. In the brief time we meet the sniper, we're informed that he's grown accustomed to casually killing people for personal enjoyment (innocent, unaware people), with an accomplice/partner who is clearly the opposite and probably a bit too intimidated to speak out too much. How does the Doctor handle him? By getting into suicidally close-quarters and slowly but deliberately playing a very subtle moral mind-game, peeling away at his comfort zone until the guy doesn't know what to do. There's no fluff, no happiness, just focus on the ease of a trigger vs the weight of murder. What's also ironic about this scene is that despite the Doctor disarming the guy and knowing he has casually killed people, he does not impose anything on the sniper. He's left to be free, albeit weaponless, and forced to help the Doctor with information. This isn't a do-good Doctor like 10, this is a Doctor on a mission, with much bigger fish to fry than a thrill-kill seeker who has shot down lots of oppressed protesters.
It seems like the best McCoy ever got were nuggets of good writing within generally blasè serials. Of course he did well with many of them, including this one.
The Doctor was & still is a badass...but what does he have to fear? Number 7 still had a few regenerations left after all, LOL! Radaghast the Brown Wizard! Sylvester McCoy was great...and Ace was thicc! Gawd I loved her when i was 12 and watching these for the first time stateside on PBS. I wish i could find a clip of the scene from the Happiness Patrol episode where that bad lady says "Fi-fi's been eating too many chocolates lately"
Why cant the writing be so subtle and deep nowadays?? This is why McCoy is my favourite Doctor, always with mistery and guile behind every line of his. Today is just all CLARAAAAAA OR RUN
At least he gets to keep making some sweet audios. Listened to quite a few this week, one of the most memorable being the simply named "Master" - some hefty 'young timelord' history between the two gets explored, too, and a very creepy episode overall. Very intriguing. Also have Night Thoughts (practically a horror-story), The Fearmonger (which has Ace performing the very same 'mind trick' from above video clip, with interesting results), and Colditz (with David Tenant). Love Sylvester/7th.
Well, there's no clara next year, a new head writer, a new doctor, and a new companion. Who knows what we're in for? Personally I like new who as much as I love classic who, but I guess it's all just down to personal taste.
I miss this type of moral ambiguity in the current iteration of The Doctor. Making the character into nothing more than a virtue signaling whiter than white do gooder is really missing out on the depth available within the character.
Eccleston wasn't dark at all - anger isn't darkness. 9 was a wrathful post time-war Doctor. 7 is the Doctor who caused arguably the largest time-war instigation by blowing up Skaro (literally willing to cause genocide without a second thought), talked a Supreme Dalek into killing itself, threatened to decapitate an antagonist with their own sword, disarmed snipers with mind-games, borderline tormented his own companion 'for her own good', completely and utterly smashed his companions faith in him by insulting her to tears (though he had no choice for that one), caused one antagonist to kill another with his schemes, nearly smashed the Master's face in with a disembodied skull, always kept his plans as a secret to himself (not even Ace was let in on his plans). 7 never stumbled into trouble by accident - he searched for it and buried it beneath complex master-plans and had fates sealed before he ever left the TARDIS. 7 is the darkest Doctor the show ever had. They said Capaldi would take that mantle but he never did.
This is one of the best scenes of classic Who. The second "Why not?" was chilling. Few people really appreciate just how dark and manipulative 7 was.
I do. For me, Doctor Who is not about doing magic with a screwdriver and shooting at the Daleks, it's something more.
@Deleted - Gerbils don't talk Dalek's into committing suicide to tie up loose ends. Gerbils don't play mind-games with their enemies while orchestrating the destruction of that enemies home planet. Gerbils don't befriend other Gerbils before butchering their faith and friendship just to overcome a nastier Gerbil. Gerbils don't befriend other Gerbils and manipulate them into destroying their own timeline. Gerbils don't hear the dying pleas of an antagonist and use that as an opportunity to monologue about why said antagonist should be shitting their pants instead of asking for his help. Gerbils don't take their 'friends' against their will to the one place they fear the most just to make a point.
The list goes on and on and on and on. There's a reason 7 is regarded as the chess-master. In fact, many would regard 7 as the best option for the Time War rather than a War Doctor. If you don't believe it when people tell you he was dark and manipulative, then you clearly haven't seen enough of him.
I recommend listening to his "Fear Me" speech if you want an idea of what the writers originally intended for him.
@Deleted - I understand what you're saying, but regardless of whether you like McCoy or not, the Seventh Doctor (character) is undoubtedly responsible for the highest volume of questionable acts (for the Doctor), especially if you embrace expanded media, and it all stems from the Cartmel Masterplan.
PS. Suspending disbelief is pretty much a requirement of the show. We're dealing with a humanoid alien with a space-and-time machine who farts around the galaxy being a hero. In the classic era, that can involve anything from the Loch Ness Monster to aliens made out of bubble-wrap and green goop. It'd be like seeing Capaldi as the Doctor and constantly referring to him as Malcolm Tucker.
I've only watched a few episodes of classic Who but wow I think I should go watch it.
He literally talked a man into suicide at one point
I love how the Doctor tells the other guard to shut up when he interrupted the Doctor's mind game like he was some sort of insolent child.
I agree. He was determined to make a point.
In a way, they all are. A lot of the Doctor's enemies are smart, but at the end of the day you can always reduce them to a child throwing a tantrum.
"And if you were to shoot I would just turn into Paul McGann, so win-win, really."
Ha
"And if you'd shoot me again, I'd just turn into Christopher Eccleston, so win-win-win, really.
McGann was an awful Doctor.
@@fjccommish You're joking.
@@fjccommish i presume you've never looked into big finish my good friend
Such an underrated story. This scene shows how good McCoy was as the doctor.
I agree. Never understood why this isn't a classic, I remembered it from my UK Gold days and rewatched it recently, it just got better! Beautifully crafted, with those fantastic dark sets, and everyone forced to be happy in this terrible place, on pain of death.
A revolutionary blues musician, a psychotic Bertie Bassett and a Maggie Thatcher dictator, I think this episode shows Doctor Who at it's very bravest and best.
Plus The Happiness Patrol is a great name for a band.
Crusty Pete's Day Old Meat Platter People don't give it a chance because it has a kandy man as a villain, so people go out of their way to avoid it. Quite sad really.
I absolutely agree. The passion he delivered in this scene was excellent.
@@LythgoemaniaWhich is sad because the Kandyman is only really stupid looking in stills... When the thing is moving around and speaking it is genuinely terrifying... A monsterous abomination coated in sugar... An unhinged human mind in a robot made of candy... A corruption of something that normally brings joy to people...
The fact people shit on this but see nothing stupid about the christmas robots or killer christmas trees from the RTD era, which is the same kind of corruption of something innocent and joyful thing but done shallowly to the point it's just cringey, truly boggles my mind...
@@parrot998 well said. This was the first McCoy story I watched and the Kandyman was genuinely terrifying, this ridiculous looking creature that was totally sadistic and killed people for it's own amusement. McCoy was fantastic because he was so anti violence, it really struck me even though I was really young when it aired
Seven is such an underrated incarnation of the Doctor. Anytime anyone dismisses McCoy's incarnation I always show them this scene. Truly haunting and mesmerizing.
Naff sets and costumes.
Superb writing, dialogue and delivery.
This is why I love classic Who.
+Borealis V To be fair in this story they wanted the costumes and sets to look fake and naff on purpose :P
They were actually going to film the entire episode in black and white - a) as a nod to the classics and b) so that the lack of colour would further bring out the point of the episode, "Be happy, or die".
@@RopeDrinkYeah. I recommend deliberately turning down the colour on your TV & watching this story in black & white.
Precisely - because the story actually had some substance to it, what with the social commentary it was trying to make - and it could overcome the low production values.
I'm always mesmerized by this scene, unable to look away as the Chessmaster plays checkmate... And then after it's over I finally can shudder and stand in awe of McCoy's brilliant acting. One of my favorite Doctor Who scenes, hands down.
Thats the thing isn't? Everyone plays chess while he plays POKAR!
@@Marguns21At least he has an ACE up his sleeve, eh?
Love McCoy's performance here. When he first confronts the guards he's nervous but confident in his ability to handle the situation. As he sees that his plan is working the nervousness fades with each line and the confidence increases.
And it still scares me a little when he says "Shut up!"
What I like about it is he already knows the other guy isn't a threat - he doesn't even look at him, not even once. He's got his eyes fixed 110% on the one he knows would do something reckless - and yes, that SHUT UP is epic, putting the lesser threat into submission while he works on the other without even moving.
And once the guy says "...I've never used one up close before" The Doctor pretty much has all the info he needs. He knows the guy has never had to look into the face of the person he was killing, so he tells him to look into his eyes, and then the guy can't go through with it.
I know the title says "The Doctor's Mind Power" but I think in this case it's another example of the Doctor being really good at reading people and knowing the right thing to say to diffuse a situation.
Indeed - the correct words are "Mind Games" rather than Mind Power.
#7 was being so merciful in this scene... The guy once killed a freakin' Dalek with his WORDS.
And A supreme dalek no less...
McCoy proved that the dr has a dark side. An amazing piece of acting
He's so intimidating with such a presence... And he doesn't even glance at the other guy as he orders him to shut up and throw away his gun... The more I watch of the 7th Doctor, the more I love him
Guard: "awrite...come out and say hello"
Doctor: "hello"
Lol
And this is why McCoy definitely is MY favourite Doctor (although Colin Baker comes very close after)
R Taylor Nope, I like him too; in fact, I like ALL the Doctors!
L'Élan à Vapeur 6 and 7 are both astoundingly underrated. Both amazing complex Doctors, I'd take 6 and 7 over that overrated human wannabe 10 any day.
Look! I got twelve likes on my reply! All twelve Doctors!
Grant NO SIR!....... ALL THIRTEEN *Capaldi Eyebrows*
Hahahahaha!! I posted that just hoping that somebody would reply with that!!
"COME ON SAY HELLO!".
Doctor: "Hello."
I've never seen the Seventh Doctor this dark before. I had doubts whether or not Sylvester could pull off playing a dark character. I think he did a great job there. I actually felt threatened.
GUARD: Come on then, come and say 'hello'.
THE DOCTOR (sneaking up behind): Hello.
LOL.
Andrew Chapman Wow, the exact same words were just spoken in the video above! Who’d have thought it.
How did he get up there so fast.
@@ThemeParkChomp wow, an dull statement.
General Keno- whoops!
@@ThemeParkChomp Well, not exact same words as no one in the video above says 'LOL.' right after the Doctor says 'Hello.'
_“A life, killing life...”_
_“Who are you-”_
_“SHUT UP”_
When people say Ten or Twelve were the darker selves of the Doctor, I think of this scene. Just imagine if Sylvester returned to the role at his age now; do you think he would be more or less terrifying as the Doctor now as was back then?
If you're referring to Big Finish, then fair point. Hell, about thirty years at this point.
Hah, no need to tell me that! I've been a fan of their work for years now! I agree with everything you just said.
He'd be better - more knowledgable of the tone, and age means he'd need to ramp up the deviousness and speeches to remain intimidating rather than relying on action. 7 will always be a scary concept as a Doctor - the one who plans so far ahead that fates are sealed before he's even left the TARDIS. He doesn't walk into danger by accident - he looks for it and fixes in a cold, calculated manner.
New Who is crap.
There's a reason that the 8th Doctor, in many of his radio plays, looks back on 7 with a certain guilt and dread.
Because 7 was a monster when you got him angry.
"Who are you?"
"Shut up!"
Lol
i’ve now watched this clip more times than i’ve kept count of and it saddens me that, in all likelihood, we’ll never see a season of doctor who *precisely* as chilling as this moment with sylvester mccoy.
The Time Lords always had strong hypnotic powers. Both John Pertwee and Tom Baker used them. But not like this. You can almost see the Doctor evolving towards the eventual John Hurt character.
I like to think he didn't actually use 'mind powers' and it was just plain psychological persuasion
Two used psychic powers on Victoria once when she was being psychologically messed with by the great intelligence. He used them to help her.
@@hungrydragonvsfrightendhob7799It was simple hypnotism with Victoria.
This scene shows how good Sylvester McCoy was as the Doctor. Brilliant!
One of the best speeches of Doctor Who.
One thing that irked me about the Tenth Doctor was his black-and-white hatred of guns. Here, Seven presents a more interesting hatred of firearms, criticizing them more as a symbol of cowardice than ad a symbol of sometimes-necessary violence.
The irony is 7th has probably been 'shot' more times than any other Doctor, assuming you include the audio dramas. Not that I've counted but he took three bullets in the movie and was shot in the shoulder by Tennant's baddie in one of the audios - even shot by RIVERSONG in one of the latest - and shot by a laser weapon in another (and there are undoubtedly other times as well). You're right on the other thing, though - it's the ease of the trigger vs the reality of murder. The title should be "Mind Games" rather than "Mind Power" if you ask me.
It's funny how the 7th Doctor's regeneration was caused from being shot.
Technically it wasn't - he didn't die to the bullets (they were in his shoulder and leg), it was the operation performed by ignorant humans who didn't understand his double-heart beat, so they went to 'investigate' and clogged his heart(s) with their probe. A brutal death.
RopeDrink American Helthcare Am I Right?
Not to mention all the years he aided UNIT and the Brigadier who always used guns which were never effective against alien forces, LOL!
I really enjoyed the seventh doctors run The Chessmaster so to speak. I really think this story doesn't deserve the stick it gets
The more clips of McCoy I see the more impressed I am. He could be deep and dark, with a profound wisdom. But, I remember that from the shows so many years ago...
At this point,the Doctor should have quoted the Fourth Doctors line from Horns Of Nimon."Why dont you give me the gun?Then i can keep an eye on myself so that i dont get up to any funny buisnness"Lol.
That would have resulted in him 110% getting shot by this lunatic - but at least he'd be gunned down with a smile.
When I think of the Seventh Doctor, this is almost always the first scene that comes to mind
Not my favorite doctor, but by far my favorite scene to feature the doctor in any incarnation.
Number 7s hatred of guns is the best of all of the Doctors thoughts on guns.
It's not just guns - he has a hatred of weapons in general, which is reflected in his relationship with Ace. He threatened to decapitate a Knight in Battlefield with his own sword, but the Knight used THIS EXACT SAME SPEECH against Seven. Whenever he needs a problem exploded or beaten up, he relies on Ace to do it, unless he has no other choice (eg. When he decides to face the Destroyer in Battlefield but is stopped by the Brigadier, or in Remembrance when he himself blows up a Dalek as he knows the soldiers have no chance on their own, and Ace at the time had never seen one before thus he didn't want to put her in danger). Check his speech against Morgane in Battlefield when she threatens to unleash nuclear weapons - it's one of the few angry moments of Seven. In multiple episodes outside of that, he's constantly bitter about the use of weapons of all kinds, guns especially as it's just so 'easy'.
I meant weapon and good point
ironic that a gun is what ended this incarnation then
The Doctor has never been more scarier. Even Capaldi is not this dark. 7 would make the Sith Lords proud.
RIP Graeme Curry, writer of this story
This was one of my favorite scenes when I watched classic Who. This scene among several others are the reason McCoy is within my top three favorite doctors ❤️❤️.
Seven: I'm either going to pull off an epic stunt with my mind powers or just fry this guy during my regeneration. Not sure which one sounds more appealing at the moment.
Absolutely wonderful. Also funny how this was posted exactly 7 years ago as I'm watching this now.
And that's why he's one of my favourite doctors!
i'm glad you're happy!
i'm happy you're glad...
Happiness WILL prevail!
2 men with guns against the doctor well thats just unfair... theres only 2 of them
Speaking of McCoy, another Doctor McCoy on Star Trek showed a similar gutsy bad-ass attitude when confronted by Khan with a knife in sick bay in the classic Space Seed episode about 20 years earlier. Both very intense moments in TV & good acting.
Okay, I’ll admit. I haven’t seen much of the Sylvester mccoy. But that was really freaking good
Remembrance of the Dalek's is arguably the best bridge between Old and New Who. If you haven't seen much of Sylvester, you absolutely should watch Remembrance, as well as Curse of Fenric. Happiness Patrol is underrated - suffers from the dodgy and poorly lit sets/costumes, but the soundtrack is delicious and you'll either love or loathe the Candyman. Some find him extremely creepy, others find him... Well... A bit too camp.
I remember this story scaring the crap out of me when I was 10. I'm looking for the scene "death by red goo" that is still stuck in my mind 32 years later.
One of my favorite 7th Doctor scenes
and people say this episode is bad
like, the candy man fits in this stories situation
Fans: Ugh, this story is just Bertie Bassett that's all this episode had
The Happiness Patrol:
Ironic, since the 7th Doctor died by the hands of a gun.
Not really it was the surgeon what killed him.
no it was the stupid doctor that killed him
+Pacitti Club Johnny in my mind the Dr who movie doesn't exist it's an utter pile of shite
I think that was the point. The great schemer Doctor who always had a plan and an escape route was caught off guard by a presumed dead enemy and shot like a total punk in a street fight he wasn't even part of. McCoy often says he enjoys that in interviews.
And a fear of Chinese Gangsters.
McCoy is woefully underappreciated on my opinion .
He’d never looked his victims in the eyes?
I suppose there will be a lot of negative comments on here about the Kandy Man which is unfair as the rest of the story had so much going for it. Great performances from Sheila Hancock,Leslie Dunlop & Harold Innocent. A dark sardonic script and a brutal attack on Thatcherism. I loved this one at the time and I remember wishing that Earl had become a companion! As for the Kandy Man is he really that bad? Its a fine construction and David-John-Pope is great in the role. This Scene? - Sublime!
I consider the Kandyman to be one of the best villains in Classic Who, As for his resemblance to Bertie Bassett, that's like saying Sharez Jek is too derivative of Tobias Vaughn because they're both composed of flesh. Aside from the substance that superficially makes them, the Kandyman acts nothing like the jovial, even tempered Bertie.
it simply renders itself to the acting... Act happy and it won't matter if you actually are... do not question your action; the only answer is that disrupting the illusion points toward the reality and that cannot be allowed. remove the doubter and restore the premise: act happy and you will be seen to be. pretense over being....
Why 7 is the best Doctor
Come closer. Closer. Because the closer you come, the less you see
Ironically, Mordred used the same speech on 7 in Battlefield & it worked. Hilarious though when The Brigadier stepped up & shoved his pistol against Mordred's head & said, "Try me." & you know full well The Brig would pull that trigger. 😂
Seven is MY Doctor and this scene is why
"Why is New Who so political?" "Because it's Doctor Who, and it was always political."
Even more haunting considering how the 7th Doctor died after being shot. But this scene sums up the pointlessness of violence and killing. People who use these think they have the power and control, but no one does.
one of the best moments in Doctor Who history. The Doctor shall (hopefully) always remain pacifist and proud.....when he can...
R.I.P. Dorka Nieradzik (1948 - February 2018).
7 was playing chess while everyone else was playing checkers. I wish new Who had the guts to make a Doctor like 7 again.
I'm getting heavy Palpatine vibes here.
Pure class.
One of my favorite stories, I like people to die with smiles on their faces!
that was great wasn't it? we need a lot of that darkness back and I hope peter will bring it
And that's why he deserves to be in the 50th Anniversary!....
One of best scenes ever. True Who.
Maybe a little bit of unintended foreshadowing... wasn't the Seventh ultimately shot by somebody who didn't look him in the eye? ...or even see him at all.
This proves that 7th is a magic man.
In BATTLEFIELD it was proven that he was literally Merlin...
Here's the connection: Merlin - wizard. Wizard - magic man. Merlin - Doctor. Doctor - magic man.
Hold on! In the Starless world The last Senturion encountered a not Doctor Merlin.
@@paulnash9851In the novelisation of Battlefield it's said that the future Doctor/Merlin referenced during the story is a redhead, yet we still have not yet had a red-headed Doctor. 😞
Bri,ng back sylvester as the doctor on tv he needs to return asap
That Patrolman hought he would be invincible with a gun... Until a man who came from inside a blue box showed him that despite how seemingly easy it is to take a life... It NEVER is. And never will be. For in the end... The Patrolman was just a fool playing with a weapon.
Such a great scene.
There are so many Killjoys in these comments, would you like to disappear or be sent to the Kandy Kitchen just remember to keep smiling as happiness will prevail :)
Love this episode so sinister
first thing you notice about the doctor
If he tried this in the movie he'd have probably not regenerated
I must find more scenes like this. Any suggestions?
You mean great Seventh Doctor scenes, great dark scenes, or great dark Seventh Doctor scenes?
All of the above.
For great scenes, look for the Doctor's Last Words in "Survival" or his confrontation with Davros in "Remembrance of the Daleks"
For more of 7th's TV darkness, check out his crushing victory speech to the supreme dalek after the destruction of Skaro in "Remembrance of the Dalek's", his "Kill her" speech in "Curse of Fenric" where he brutally demoralizes Ace, his speech to Morgaine in "Battlefield" where he explains the horror of nuclear weapons, and the scene where he asks Ace to do something explosive for him in Silver Nemesis.
Just a small bunch of examples. His scenes with the Master & Davros in Survival & Remembrance are also noteworthy. He's also at his most melancholic in Ghost Light, which is overall a pretty dark and atmospheric episode that's very character (rather than plot) driven, so it's worth watching to see 7 in action.
For Doctor Who at its most dark and intriguing, Curse of Fenric is still the episode to watch - it has pretty much everything you need for a whopping episode that features Doctor No.7 in full-on chess mode with plenty of explosions and no nonsense attitude.
@@RopeDrink I liked it in Delta and the Bannerman. Oops I mean Bannermen, when he says "I might've gone a little too far" it shows that he's taking risks and somehow that makes him even more epic. My favorite doctor even tho I love them all.☺
Mccoy is The secondest best Doctor in classic who.
Push him up to No.1 and I'll agree.
It’s a great scene, but in the same season he uses the Hand of Omega to blow up Skaro! Sniper rifle versus repurposed remote stellar manipulator…….But then again, the Doctor isn’t meant to be a paragon of virtue, he is flawed, even hypocritical, but heroic in spite of these flaws.
When you have speech 100
The doctor is a badass
Some Emperor Palpatine moments here
They're actually not allowed to bring back the Kandy Man because of his resemblance to Bertie Bassett
McCoy is easily my favourite classic Doctor followed by Pertwee
The only real problem I can see unless you get hung up on the Kandy Man is the studio bound Terra Alpha,and the go-karts that travel at about 2mph. But with so much money being spent in season 25 on the location work for Rememberance,Nemisis & Greatest Show there had to be cost cutting somewhere and sadly this was the story that felt the pinch. Still a great three parter though IMO.
I know. They never stood a chance against the Doctor.
The Seventh Doctor. Darkness incarnate
and then cold fusion came along
This scene couldve been really dark...
It is dark, in context. In the brief time we meet the sniper, we're informed that he's grown accustomed to casually killing people for personal enjoyment (innocent, unaware people), with an accomplice/partner who is clearly the opposite and probably a bit too intimidated to speak out too much. How does the Doctor handle him? By getting into suicidally close-quarters and slowly but deliberately playing a very subtle moral mind-game, peeling away at his comfort zone until the guy doesn't know what to do.
There's no fluff, no happiness, just focus on the ease of a trigger vs the weight of murder. What's also ironic about this scene is that despite the Doctor disarming the guy and knowing he has casually killed people, he does not impose anything on the sniper. He's left to be free, albeit weaponless, and forced to help the Doctor with information. This isn't a do-good Doctor like 10, this is a Doctor on a mission, with much bigger fish to fry than a thrill-kill seeker who has shot down lots of oppressed protesters.
I don't know, it sounds a lot like the internet to me.
It seems like the best McCoy ever got were nuggets of good writing within generally blasè serials. Of course he did well with many of them, including this one.
"Come and say 'hello'."
"Hello, sweetie."
"... Wot?"
"Oh, sorry. I must be twenty years too early."
The Doctor was & still is a badass...but what does he have to fear? Number 7 still had a few regenerations left after all, LOL!
Radaghast the Brown Wizard!
Sylvester McCoy was great...and Ace was thicc! Gawd I loved her when i was 12 and watching these for the first time stateside on PBS.
I wish i could find a clip of the scene from the Happiness Patrol episode where that bad lady says "Fi-fi's been eating too many chocolates lately"
Why cant the writing be so subtle and deep nowadays?? This is why McCoy is my favourite Doctor, always with mistery and guile behind every line of his. Today is just all CLARAAAAAA OR RUN
Sad but true. Bet Clara will be back/the main focus of this years Christmas special also.
At least he gets to keep making some sweet audios. Listened to quite a few this week, one of the most memorable being the simply named "Master" - some hefty 'young timelord' history between the two gets explored, too, and a very creepy episode overall. Very intriguing. Also have Night Thoughts (practically a horror-story), The Fearmonger (which has Ace performing the very same 'mind trick' from above video clip, with interesting results), and Colditz (with David Tenant). Love Sylvester/7th.
Out of those mentioned, I've listened to 2: Master (tied with 'Spare Parts' and 'Two Masters' for my favourite audio story) and Colditz (Really good).
Ohh, I forgot to mention UNIT: Dominion - interesting Master shenanigans there, too.
Well, there's no clara next year, a new head writer, a new doctor, and a new companion. Who knows what we're in for? Personally I like new who as much as I love classic who, but I guess it's all just down to personal taste.
Blue Shell
I need to watch 7's episodes.
I miss this type of moral ambiguity in the current iteration of The Doctor. Making the character into nothing more than a virtue signaling whiter than white do gooder is really missing out on the depth available within the character.
Eccleston was much darker, though I imagine John Hurt will be the darkest!
Eccleston wasn't dark at all - anger isn't darkness. 9 was a wrathful post time-war Doctor. 7 is the Doctor who caused arguably the largest time-war instigation by blowing up Skaro (literally willing to cause genocide without a second thought), talked a Supreme Dalek into killing itself, threatened to decapitate an antagonist with their own sword, disarmed snipers with mind-games, borderline tormented his own companion 'for her own good', completely and utterly smashed his companions faith in him by insulting her to tears (though he had no choice for that one), caused one antagonist to kill another with his schemes, nearly smashed the Master's face in with a disembodied skull, always kept his plans as a secret to himself (not even Ace was let in on his plans). 7 never stumbled into trouble by accident - he searched for it and buried it beneath complex master-plans and had fates sealed before he ever left the TARDIS. 7 is the darkest Doctor the show ever had. They said Capaldi would take that mantle but he never did.
A fantastic scene with a fantastic Doctor!
Pity the rest of the story was a bit garish and dull.
Marget Thatcher
GEEZ
1:19-1:25 Same