the reunion between ib and victor was great, i really FELT it oof. amazing acting from both players, too, interactions between these two are probably my favourite out of all the show ;D edit: victor casually saying "maybe someday you and i will rule this city together" like a joke, but i'm pretty sure that'd be fiorenza's preferred outcome, baron victor and prince ib, ruling LA together, both indebted and grateful to her...
@@DarkHammer13 princess is a wife of the prince, a female ruler would still be a prince ;) (fun and only mildly related historical trivia; poland had a woman, jadwiga of poland, crowned king back in ye olde medieval times. big ventrue energy.)
@@rateater1857 Have no idea where you heard that but if a royal couple has a daughter she is called princess not prince and if she rule is queen or princess, with some wierd exception like Jadwiga since she wanted to emphasize her status as Queen Regnant. VtM does its thing of course.
I love Victor and how B. Dave Walters plays him. Yeah on one level he's a money grabbing, stereotypical arrogant Ventrue who does some occasionally REALLY stupid shit (sticking the Ventrue symbol on his club? come ON man!), but on the other level he's got a big heart, doesn't treat others as 'lessers' and goes out of his way to give something back to anyone who comes into the circle of "his people".
@@bartconnolly6104 Or just a modern Ventrue/Capitalist. He makes the market work FOR him by rewarding good work, making sure things are taken care of, promoting talent and letting other people do their best by not interfering. Usually. He did do some hard decisionmaking on behalf of Jasper and Eve at one point. For the better of everyone.
Was *damn* hard on Victor for a good bit, but as consequences came hard and heavy, he maneuvered like a seasoned kindred and, perhaps thanks to some structured giving from the game master, wound up in a considerably strong position, given his youth. Bonus points for being the adult in the room when the opportunity for a ceasefire presented itself, that really surprised me in a good way.
I would muuuch rather had the Deb of Night instead of Archangel. Don't get me wrong, I'm very interested to see where they go with Archangel as the story moves forward. But c'mon... THE DEB OF NIGHT.
I think my favorite thing about so many of Ib’s dynamics are that even when she was a Ghoul she had DECADES on the Kindred she was talking with and she just oh so casually flexed that once or twice. She’s a badass.
@@edoardoprevelato6577 Jasper owed her a boon! I'm sure if he is informed he will be willing to offer it. Depending on her sire and bloodline Ib could potentially be a Baron an Earl/Primogen even a Duchess/Princess of LA. and thats going by Camerilla rules. going by Anarchs if victor Nines, Abrams Fiona and Therese supported her she could do it anyway. Im still convinced LA could become a quasi Camerilla where both sides get something. If there is no compromise there is no future. the Cam know the long game and they know they could be "called away" and can'r impose top down rule anyway. And they have the Sabat to contend with. they need a level of order which will last. In fact if LA can establish a sort of respect for tradition coupled with rule by consent a process similar to democratisation would occur in the Vampire world. There would still be rulers and those of "higher" blood and status but all primary law would be through the consent of the governed and local realms would have their own ways of doing things so long as they respected the traditions and the masquerade. In this way even the Sabbat and Anarchs could be subsumed. But it means also the Ivory tower cant continue to exist in its old form. All must change in order to restore stability. Order from chaos. Chaos determining order. Interesting if any might note the reference to "Ordo Ab Chao"?
@@bartconnolly6104 i think the end result will be something like what we see in Bloodlines - a Camarilla prince (Suzanne) with anarchs like Nines and Therese retaining most independence but still following the main Camarilla laws.
@@edoardoprevelato6577 I can't agree. 1. Susanne cant rule if she has baggage against those who outed Vanevar. It just means more clandestine war. It would have to be understood she puts this behind her for the greater good. 2. Susanne would have to understand her haughtiness and superiority won't be accepted. Her superiority in ability and blood would be accepted but her expression of this as doing what she pleases on any but those under her own personal control would not be accepted. And even if she treats her own coterie and ghouls like dirt that will not gain her any admiration among her own nobles. "Noblesse oblige" is something she should know about and it is something she does not seem to realise! she hasn't learned! As she can't change with the times she has to go!
I wonder how that affected her embrace..do 100 year old ghouls become the equivalent of 100 year old vampires? If so she has quite a bit more flex than them now.
Oh my god Ib and Victor Bromance is too good, i love them to death. A friendship that transcend clans rivalry or political alignment. I just hope it does not end really bad for both of them.
I do not know whether Victor and Ib are allies of convience, enemies pretending to be allies, professionals working together, friends, close friends or even if there is some romantic tension between them, and I honestly do not care, I just love to see them interact. Great work by both of them. :)
@@JasonCarl Thanks a lot. Your work as a Storyteller has been a real inspiration to me and helped me immensly in running my own chronicles. Keep on trucking through the night :)
My dream as a GM, open a scene and let the players talk for an hour in character without breaking role. No chips, no pizza, no jokes and talks about latest TV shows.
I think Victor has become my favourite main coterie character, shame he gets painted as the "bad controlling Ventrue". That or I've just been Awe'd by him
Yeah it just feels like sometimes the other members of the coterie miss the point of Vic's actions or unfairly overplay his flaws. But honestly you could sometimes interpret it as them projecting their own insecurities onto him so... great roleplaying in the end?
In the coteries defense, Victor is a "controlling Ventrue". Now is he bad or not? Lets give him a couple centuries, if he makes it that long. p.s. It was totally the Awe speaking.
Victor is remarkably kind for a kindred of his blood and position. That said, he doesn't exactly have the kind of *real* power (age, resources, disciplines) to conveniently be cruel. Time is a better judge of character when it comes to this species.
They are all way too much of 'nice people' for kindred, and it's mostly because the rules around humanity (and loosing it) and frenzy are never enforced in this campaign.
@Paul Gauthier I do feel that they regularly betray humanity without consequences. Anabelle turning her lover into a ghoul should have cost her humanity. Anabelle causing a whole bunch of death while always pretending that she doesn't want to kill should have cost her humanity Jasper turning humans into vampires to have blood slaves should have costed him humanity The coterie is not nice, but their evil is consistently downplayed.
Victor is my favorite of the main characters and it is fantastic seeing him do what he does best here. Even better, his values of friendship has now paid off and Ib will not harm him, so he has the upper hand on the Cam there.
It's fun watching Jason as he listens in to conversations. His body language changes depending on the character, and when Victor and Ib are talking, he puts on Ramona's body language :)
Man, that was one fine epilogue right here! Ib and Victor are just spetacular to watch, what a wholesome friendship. Victor's dialogues are always so clever.
What’s better than Jason Carl as storyteller.... Jason Carl fully playing Abrams. Love it! Victor seems to play Nelli the same way... you don’t get a clear picture who’s more important to him.
@@JasonCarl I don't know where You get "It" from, but You got it. You're an Amazing Story Teller and Actor. You can do it all. Can I ask a Stupid Question. If someone wanted to have a Session of D&D or this what would you charge to be the GM? Just curious.
@@JasonCarl Jason does this Video look Dark to You? I mean the Lighting. Victor's face is in the dark. I mean I know it's supposed to be Dark and Creepy, but we would still like to see their faces.
Great to see IB back again! Yes, Archangel has got to be Chloe. (That is so Becca Scott). ;) Unfortunate that I have to wait at least another week to get my Josephine McAdam/Alexander Ward fix! Eva & Jasper are defiantly the new Spike & Drusilla for me! My new vamp duo obsession!
@@strifenineteen Jasper has more tricks, but Spike has way more experience, talent, and skill enough to kill two Slayers and stalemate the strongest one multiple times. Plot armor/induced stupidity are why he ever loses.
1.If Ib kills victor it would be not from her desire to do so. 2. There is no point in backstabbing someone who is looking. I mean it wouldnt be backstabbing then would it?
@@mattiasnordstrom86 It was a risky move on his part, but Victor is looking to acquire as much talent and power as he can to add to his coterie. Showing trust towards Ib is a good first step if he wants to get her back under his command/employ/family. She could have very well have been manipulating him when she mentioned the "not feeling like family" bit to get him to "prove" himself to her with trust, but she could have also have been very genuine in her desire.
Jason has so many amazing characters! it's a real joy to watch him role play from Kyoko, to Mr. Golden, Campbell, Fiorenza... Abrahams is so smooth. totally a vibe.
I believe they're both sincere. Even so, they both know they can't fully trust each other. And if I know anything about the Great Narrative Forces of the Universe, this means one will eventually be forced to destroy the other, and that will break the survivor.
That's been on my top 3 suspects list from day 1. A ghouled journalist wanting bigger, more important stories to report on even at personal risk? The only question is if she could get access to all the information.
Damn its kinda weird seeing home girl alot more emotive than she used to be 😁 Also really weird seeing a damn Ventrue and a Lasombra this nice with each other 🙌
Ib: Vannevar's fucking nuts. He's got this weird obsession with gold. Victor: We are Ventrue. I mean c'mon. XD I don't know why but that line made me chuckle a lot more than I thought it would.
Did anyone elses ears perk up when Ib said the only one keep Vanavars shit together was Suzanne? Theres the lunch pin. The keystone. Remove it and it all... Falls... Down!
duncan rae In my opinion after watching the episodes regarding the Camarilla, I believe it's Suzanne that wants control over Los Angeles and is in a way manipulating Vannevar to do it because she believes in authority and control, based on her relationship with Marie Antoinnette and that cultural time in France in the late 1700s.
Carol Smith I had a feeling that she's up to something in this episode. I just assumed it was for the Camarilla. I'm wondering if she is still under Fiorenza's control.
@@Kizzy-qb9si No! Don't think so! Why wouldn't she just take victor or someone in his coterie out and keep the war going? there are much easier ways of assisting the sabbat than talking to Victor and helping him.
The reason Victor is my faw Ventrue vampire character even before Peterson (if anyone know him from a book) is because Victor stows how to play a good Vampire and well. Loved this epilogue.
I love Victor's approach with the Thin-Blood, they are weaker but they are many, they die fast but they reproduce quickly, there can easily be an army of 100/200 in a city, in large numbers with anti-vampire weapons they can eliminate even the oldest and most powerful, I think they can use fire as a weapon more easily than a normal vampire since the beast has less power over them.
And operate in daylight. Sort of super ghouls. Also Eva can raise then to 13th generation and they won't be thin bloods. But using them as cannon fodder is not a sensible option.
Those are Sabbat tactics,.... mass embraced cannon fodder, embrace them, hit their head with shovels, bury them near the enemy, wait till the claw their way out of the ground in a blood frenzy.... shovelheads. But then again, thin bloods can't sire others because of their weak blood potency.
Casual conversation in the quiet room. Jason Carl rolls a bunch of dice Uh oh... Also Jasper is going to be PISSED when he finds out ib is a lasombra and Victor just spilled the beans on his domain and shadow mirror.
Lascombra don't operate at that level do they? It is more bottom up. Ib would go to a court of blood to ask to diabelerise another Lascombra. I dont know how it might work with a Cam like Victor but is is usually about loyalty or benefit to the Clan. Removing Victor would not do much. Removing the Scourge would position Lascombra to have influence in LA. Maybe Ib is being also targeted by the scourge? I think Ib could advance the idea of a "loose cannon" and the need for Lascombra to have a long term plan. Maybe better would be to clandestinely plan for Victor or someone else to remove the second scourge without any Lascombra involvement. When the Lascombra eventually come looking for influence in LA Ib could confide in Victor and come up with a plan to involve them without conflict.
Easy. Raise her up. Give her power. Give her a hunger for it. Then make her choose between Victor and her own power. She picks power, she'll kill Victor. She picks power they will break her and make Victor watch.
That's why I don't trust this "Oh, we're Camarilla now" one damn bit. The Lasombra letting go of their beloved Sword of Caine to join an enemy they've fought for centuries? No, the Cam are being played for suckers and have let their doom right into the house.
@ 21:23 --- "It's not like I can call the prince of Muncie and say; Hey, how you doin'?..". Ah yes, a shout out to the Ol' MET game from Ball State. I believe at the height, there was what, around 150 people playing? Here's to Shawn for taking South Bend by Night to College with him. When he was home, he was the Werewolf ST during the Summer. His brother Tony, ran the Sabbat. While Jay was the Primary Cam ST. Now there's a flashback to 1994 - 1997
uuurgh I have to WAIT for the next epilogue! Amazing storytelling and production, I hope everyone involved knows how much I (and a lot of other people) appreciate this wonderful series :D
Actually, Chaz was murdered first. The club was destroyed as a result. Let's not forget that. Victor and his ilk wanted to be taken seriously and they got their wish. I realize they are the PCs and therefore the "good guys," but they made the first move. I have very little doubt the Camarilla would have attacked them at some point. I am also not saying that Nelli and the rest didn't have good reason to kill Chaz, even though I really miss Mark Meer as Chaz." But don't forget that the Camarilla is responding to the agression of the Anarchs.
Chaz was still after the grove and after Elysium and stuff, shit went down at the Grove but it was for sure started by the sheriff. And then the prince and seneschal broke the rules of Elysium.
I would love to ask Campbell, his honest answer about how it feels to work for vampires. He seems good with it but what does he think when he goes home after a shift?
I love IB! but man I cannot tell if her feelings are real or is she just getting close to then betray 😭 This season has got me not trusting any kindred lol
Ib's friendship with Victor is more deep then what we see. The bonus episode from wondercon showed that Ib is very much Victor's friend, is emotionally invested in their friendship, and she was devastated when she had to leave. Yes Ib was Fiorenza's ghoul and In front of others she plays the stoic professional, but don't forget Victor literally jumped in front of a werewolf for her and this season she went to bat for him when she met with Vanniver & Suzanne. When she is doing her job she's all hard business, but with Victor their bond is Iron.
Gotta love the little touches... The lighting and back pieces for this scene were beyond spectacular. The counter play between Victor and Ib was always one of my personal favorite storylines existing within the chronicle. A smart dodge on the whole Tromeo and Juliet that could have become. (Not to say it wouldn't be an interesting thing to pursue on a side chronicle.) Good epilogue overall on this one!
Ibs Storyarch might well be my favorite out of all the great storylines of these past three seasons. I'm so stoked about how this is gonna turn out. Way better writing than most shows on TV.
Every single time Jason Carl rolled dice while Ib was talking I got so freaking nervous. Who's spying? Please don't get her killed. How did she know they killed Rodrigo, though?
i would have so loved it if victor had place in that secret tunnel for Ib a massive painting of the baron of the valley on the wall. or a painting of both him and her
When Victor mentioned the beckoning, a thought occurred to me. Why is Staus even here? He’s old. Older than everyone else on the entire show. He’s a big picture guy, shouldn’t he be playing 4d magic chess with some ancient entities rather than trying to sort out a territory despite between a man-child prince and a bunch of rebellious neonates not even a century old? I’d think that whatever the hell is drawing the elders east would be much more important to Staus than anything going on in LA. Unless this business with the Laylines is way bigger than we think it is, or if there’s something else going on in LA we don’t know about.
Rue Stahl pretty sure it’s been established that elders can refuse the call, though it takes some effort. I’m more wondering why Straus is resisting the call when whatever is going on east is probably something really important that he’d want to get some eyes on. Again, unless there’s something in LA he thinks is somehow more important.
GOOD question. ;) The Beckoning is dependent on an uncertain combination of Generation, Blood Potency, chronological age, clan, personal willpower, and luck; it's not at all uniform. Strauss might be feeling it strongly and fighting it, or he might not be feeling it at all...yet.
Ok I don't get how Ib could have gotten past Suzanne's mind read if she actually did side with Victor. And also Ib revealed the existence of Mark AND Isaiah! Honestly, I was looking forward to evil Ib and they keep fixing things through the power of friendship lol sigh
It could just be the product of the partially improvised storylines, but they feel very wishy washy about who they make evil and how they characterize them
Victor is great tho, he's legit the most considerate guy from the coterie, I don't get what Ib is on about tbh. :/ He always makes sure everyone is taken care of, idk why he gets so much shit.
"100% of the people we killed came after us first" - Victor That's a complete lie, the Sheriff didn't came after them, he came after the Tremere traitors, Chaz didn't come after them, they literally set him up and assassinated him, not even Rodriguez really came after them he came after Sanchez who Victor claimed wasn't under his protection unless he literally asked for it and when they didn't keep their promise of handing him over and attacked Rodriguez he just kidnapped Jasper and didn't even kill him. But that's the typical anarch mindset "the evil bad camarilla attacked us so we had to strike first and kill them all" Also : I can't believe that no one wants to point out the most obvious reason why a Vampire turns crazy being the Malkavian who literally specialises in making people crazy..... Like Theresse brainwashing the prince is the most obvious and cliched storyline I can think of. Even if we take into consideration that Victor doesn't Theresse is seeing the prince himself it's still the most obvious explanation considering they're at war with each other so why wouldn't the malkavians attack the prince?
Ib, the seasons I've seen he treated you very good, even offered you the embrace. And what story is true about your embrace, the one you gave Vannevar or the one you told Victor? Still don't trust her, but I like her.
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Every time Jason rolls, I'm like:
"there's definitely a Nosferatu, listening to ALL OF THIS"
The sheer difference in personality between Ib in Court and Ib with Victor is STARTLING.
Guess in Camarilla court you gotta show a coldheart asshole side. The calmest person in that bit was probably Garrick.
Her background was as a spy, hitter, and soldier. Gotta run the gambit of emotions sometimes to have a cover.
29:01 When Campbell’s face lit up when he saw that Ib had come back. So precious, we do not deserve this man!
Campbell is the sweetest.
Every soup needs a spoon.
And his disappointment/horror when he figured out that she is become one of the shadow monsters
the reunion between ib and victor was great, i really FELT it oof. amazing acting from both players, too, interactions between these two are probably my favourite out of all the show ;D
edit: victor casually saying "maybe someday you and i will rule this city together" like a joke, but i'm pretty sure that'd be fiorenza's preferred outcome, baron victor and prince ib, ruling LA together, both indebted and grateful to her...
Princess IB also has a nice ring too.😁😎
@@DarkHammer13 princess is a wife of the prince, a female ruler would still be a prince ;) (fun and only mildly related historical trivia; poland had a woman, jadwiga of poland, crowned king back in ye olde medieval times. big ventrue energy.)
VtM doesn't do "Princesses." A female Prince is... A Prince.
@@rateater1857 Have no idea where you heard that but if a royal couple has a daughter she is called princess not prince and if she rule is queen or princess, with some wierd exception like Jadwiga since she wanted to emphasize her status as Queen Regnant. VtM does its thing of course.
a crown and a septer :D
I love Victor and how B. Dave Walters plays him. Yeah on one level he's a money grabbing, stereotypical arrogant Ventrue who does some occasionally REALLY stupid shit (sticking the Ventrue symbol on his club? come ON man!), but on the other level he's got a big heart, doesn't treat others as 'lessers' and goes out of his way to give something back to anyone who comes into the circle of "his people".
sort of... like a... mafia boss?
As long as people are Loyal to Victor, he's Loyal to them.
@@bartconnolly6104 Not even Close.
@@bartconnolly6104 Or just a modern Ventrue/Capitalist. He makes the market work FOR him by rewarding good work, making sure things are taken care of, promoting talent and letting other people do their best by not interfering. Usually. He did do some hard decisionmaking on behalf of Jasper and Eve at one point. For the better of everyone.
Was *damn* hard on Victor for a good bit, but as consequences came hard and heavy, he maneuvered like a seasoned kindred and, perhaps thanks to some structured giving from the game master, wound up in a considerably strong position, given his youth. Bonus points for being the adult in the room when the opportunity for a ceasefire presented itself, that really surprised me in a good way.
Every time that radio clicks on I keep expecting to hear, "Hello, LA, you're up way past your bedtime." I blame my senior year of high school.
I blame Gomez. HE WAS RIGHT AFTER ALL!
Saaaame
Well it's night shift down here at the yacht club... ^^
I would muuuch rather had the Deb of Night instead of Archangel. Don't get me wrong, I'm very interested to see where they go with Archangel as the story moves forward. But c'mon... THE DEB OF NIGHT.
Me too, the first words she speaks in the radio in La by night gave me goosebumps jus by how similar to deb's intro it was
I think my favorite thing about so many of Ib’s dynamics are that even when she was a Ghoul she had DECADES on the Kindred she was talking with and she just oh so casually flexed that once or twice. She’s a badass.
Ib is gonna challenge Jasper for that Flexing championship soon
@@edoardoprevelato6577 Jasper owed her a boon! I'm sure if he is informed he will be willing to offer it. Depending on her sire and bloodline Ib could potentially be a Baron an Earl/Primogen even a Duchess/Princess of LA. and thats going by Camerilla rules. going by Anarchs if victor Nines, Abrams Fiona and Therese supported her she could do it anyway.
Im still convinced LA could become a quasi Camerilla where both sides get something. If there is no compromise there is no future. the Cam know the long game and they know they could be "called away" and can'r impose top down rule anyway. And they have the Sabat to contend with. they need a level of order which will last. In fact if LA can establish a sort of respect for tradition coupled with rule by consent a process similar to democratisation would occur in the Vampire world. There would still be rulers and those of "higher" blood and status but all primary law would be through the consent of the governed and local realms would have their own ways of doing things so long as they respected the traditions and the masquerade. In this way even the Sabbat and Anarchs could be subsumed. But it means also the Ivory tower cant continue to exist in its old form. All must change in order to restore stability. Order from chaos. Chaos determining order. Interesting if any might note the reference to "Ordo Ab Chao"?
@@bartconnolly6104 i think the end result will be something like what we see in Bloodlines - a Camarilla prince (Suzanne) with anarchs like Nines and Therese retaining most independence but still following the main Camarilla laws.
@@edoardoprevelato6577 I can't agree.
1. Susanne cant rule if she has baggage against those who outed Vanevar. It just means more clandestine war. It would have to be understood she puts this behind her for the greater good.
2. Susanne would have to understand her haughtiness and superiority won't be accepted. Her superiority in ability and blood would be accepted but her expression of this as doing what she pleases on any but those under her own personal control would not be accepted.
And even if she treats her own coterie and
ghouls like dirt that will not gain her any admiration among her own nobles.
"Noblesse oblige" is something she should know about and it is something she does not seem to realise! she hasn't learned!
As she can't change with the times she has to go!
I wonder how that affected her embrace..do 100 year old ghouls become the equivalent of 100 year old vampires? If so she has quite a bit more flex than them now.
There was some crear incidental character development for Campbell here. He just found out his crush became one of the bad guys. Stay strong ma man!
Oh my god Ib and Victor Bromance is too good, i love them to death.
A friendship that transcend clans rivalry or political alignment.
I just hope it does not end really bad for both of them.
This is WOD. Desperation and tragedy is the name of the game. But so is hope.
Also it’s totally CLOWN WORLD
I do not know whether Victor and Ib are allies of convience, enemies pretending to be allies, professionals working together, friends, close friends or even if there is some romantic tension between them, and I honestly do not care, I just love to see them interact. Great work by both of them. :)
Great observations! Let's hope /they/ know what they are.... ;)
@@JasonCarl Thanks a lot. Your work as a Storyteller has been a real inspiration to me and helped me immensly in running my own chronicles. Keep on trucking through the night :)
@@olivepeter1534 Thanks for the kind words! Great to know you're finding inspiration from our story.
I think it’s like, Victor is her friend while the Camarilla is her boss.
My dream as a GM, open a scene and let the players talk for an hour in character without breaking role. No chips, no pizza, no jokes and talks about latest TV shows.
amen brother
hahahhaha so true
100% with you
Dare to dream
That's like every session at my table. It helps to have a players with larp backgrounds.
I think Victor has become my favourite main coterie character, shame he gets painted as the "bad controlling Ventrue". That or I've just been Awe'd by him
Yeah it just feels like sometimes the other members of the coterie miss the point of Vic's actions or unfairly overplay his flaws. But honestly you could sometimes interpret it as them projecting their own insecurities onto him so... great roleplaying in the end?
In the coteries defense, Victor is a "controlling Ventrue". Now is he bad or not? Lets give him a couple centuries, if he makes it that long.
p.s. It was totally the Awe speaking.
Victor is remarkably kind for a kindred of his blood and position. That said, he doesn't exactly have the kind of *real* power (age, resources, disciplines) to conveniently be cruel. Time is a better judge of character when it comes to this species.
They are all way too much of 'nice people' for kindred, and it's mostly because the rules around humanity (and loosing it) and frenzy are never enforced in this campaign.
@Paul Gauthier I do feel that they regularly betray humanity without consequences.
Anabelle turning her lover into a ghoul should have cost her humanity.
Anabelle causing a whole bunch of death while always pretending that she doesn't want to kill should have cost her humanity
Jasper turning humans into vampires to have blood slaves should have costed him humanity
The coterie is not nice, but their evil is consistently downplayed.
Abrams reaction to the flashlight is awesome. Jason really plays that character wonderfully.
Great episode. B Dave Walters is always strong. Noura Ibrahim was fantastic, so glad she is getting screen time. Hope we get lots more of Ib.
Some Lasombra love bruv.
Victor is my favorite of the main characters and it is fantastic seeing him do what he does best here. Even better, his values of friendship has now paid off and Ib will not harm him, so he has the upper hand on the Cam there.
some people really underestimate the benefits of meting out peace but here's some proof
It's fun watching Jason as he listens in to conversations. His body language changes depending on the character, and when Victor and Ib are talking, he puts on Ramona's body language :)
That would explain the constant silent roles he kept making- the Ratpack is always watching!
"Set me free" hmmm... "...and if I come back to you, I am yours; and if I don't, I never was." It sort of applies here, but I wouldn't rely on it.
Man, that was one fine epilogue right here! Ib and Victor are just spetacular to watch, what a wholesome friendship. Victor's dialogues are always so clever.
What’s better than Jason Carl as storyteller.... Jason Carl fully playing Abrams. Love it!
Victor seems to play Nelli the same way... you don’t get a clear picture who’s more important to him.
Thank you! I really enjoy playing Abrams. :)
Somehow, no matter how short or long, these videos always leave me wanting more.
Same. :)
@@JasonCarl I don't know where You get "It" from, but You got it. You're an Amazing Story Teller and Actor. You can do it all. Can I ask a Stupid Question. If someone wanted to have a Session of D&D or this what would you charge to be the GM? Just curious.
@@JasonCarl By the way do you do all the Script Writing and what the Actors say?
@@JasonCarl Thank You Again for these Episodes and for Talking to us like You do.
@@JasonCarl Jason does this Video look Dark to You? I mean the Lighting. Victor's face is in the dark. I mean I know it's supposed to be Dark and Creepy, but we would still like to see their faces.
In the World of Darkness, shadows cast their own shadows.
how many layers deep does this go i wonder
@@mmmicroplastics
All the way to the Abyss, of course~
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Great to see IB back again! Yes, Archangel has got to be Chloe. (That is so Becca Scott). ;)
Unfortunate that I have to wait at least another week to get my Josephine McAdam/Alexander Ward fix! Eva & Jasper are defiantly the new Spike & Drusilla for me! My new vamp duo obsession!
Well, Eva is a nicer being and could literally SMOKE Drusilla. Jasper vs Spike in hand to hand...tough call.
Jasper has alot more tricks then Spike does, it would be a done deal.
@@strifenineteen Jasper has more tricks, but Spike has way more experience, talent, and skill enough to kill two Slayers and stalemate the strongest one multiple times. Plot armor/induced stupidity are why he ever loses.
Actually Victor once you become a Toreador rose bushes are planted around your estate automatically. It is a tradition at this point.
Aw man, I seriously got choked up with Victor and Ib's reunion. I love their friendship so much.
Jason just ominously rolling dice in the background
I love Ib but I also truly hope that she won't backstab Victor when he isn't looking.
1.If Ib kills victor it would be not from her desire to do so.
2. There is no point in backstabbing someone who is looking. I mean it wouldnt be backstabbing then would it?
Giving her the plans to the tunnels was dumb.
@@mattiasnordstrom86 It was a risky move on his part, but Victor is looking to acquire as much talent and power as he can to add to his coterie. Showing trust towards Ib is a good first step if he wants to get her back under his command/employ/family. She could have very well have been manipulating him when she mentioned the "not feeling like family" bit to get him to "prove" himself to her with trust, but she could have also have been very genuine in her desire.
I hope she does. This story is in dire need of real consequences, and that's been the case for a loooooooong while.
Okay, popcorn is ready; let's lose ourselves... in a vampire story...
Jason has so many amazing characters! it's a real joy to watch him role play from Kyoko, to Mr. Golden, Campbell, Fiorenza... Abrahams is so smooth. totally a vibe.
Ghouled by a Ventrue for hundreds of years, but ultimately Embraced by a Keeper. Delicious. Morte Ascendo.
I believe they're both sincere. Even so, they both know they can't fully trust each other. And if I know anything about the Great Narrative Forces of the Universe, this means one will eventually be forced to destroy the other, and that will break the survivor.
Well, let's hope they pull back on the GRRM or Steven Moffat pain giving.
I'm calling it right now, archangel is jaspers old ghoulfriend I forgot her name
Chloe
Maybe, since she disappeared after Ava helped her :))
@Bambi Eyes Are you kidding me? That's 100% Becca Scott.
That's been on my top 3 suspects list from day 1. A ghouled journalist wanting bigger, more important stories to report on even at personal risk?
The only question is if she could get access to all the information.
I bet its Elleonore Annabelles Girlfriend from Season one.
Damn its kinda weird seeing home girl alot more emotive than she used to be 😁
Also really weird seeing a damn Ventrue and a Lasombra this nice with each other 🙌
Ib: Vannevar's fucking nuts. He's got this weird obsession with gold.
Victor: We are Ventrue. I mean c'mon. XD
I don't know why but that line made me chuckle a lot more than I thought it would.
TBH, IB didn't tell him about Vannevar wanting to shove the guy full of gold. I think some Roman did that.
@@JnEricsonx Some Roman suffered that. Crassus, when he tried to invade Parthia.
Did anyone elses ears perk up when Ib said the only one keep Vanavars shit together was Suzanne? Theres the lunch pin. The keystone. Remove it and it all... Falls... Down!
duncan rae In my opinion after watching the episodes regarding the Camarilla, I believe it's Suzanne that wants control over Los Angeles and is in a way manipulating Vannevar to do it because she believes in authority and control, based on her relationship with Marie Antoinnette and that cultural time in France in the late 1700s.
I think ib maybe playing one or both sides. She maybe an agent of the sabbath
Carol Smith I had a feeling that she's up to something in this episode. I just assumed it was for the Camarilla. I'm wondering if she is still under Fiorenza's control.
Its Theresse laying the Dementation whammy on vanavar that has him going bonkers.
@@Kizzy-qb9si No! Don't think so! Why wouldn't she just take victor or someone in his coterie out and keep the war going?
there are much easier ways of assisting the sabbat than talking to Victor and helping him.
The reason Victor is my faw Ventrue vampire character even before Peterson (if anyone know him from a book) is because Victor stows how to play a good Vampire and well. Loved this epilogue.
Maybe not the best example, what about Julian from KTE?
I love Victor's approach with the Thin-Blood, they are weaker but they are many, they die fast but they reproduce quickly, there can easily be an army of 100/200 in a city, in large numbers with anti-vampire weapons they can eliminate even the oldest and most powerful, I think they can use fire as a weapon more easily than a normal vampire since the beast has less power over them.
And operate in daylight. Sort of super ghouls.
Also Eva can raise then to 13th generation and they won't be thin bloods. But using them as cannon fodder is not a sensible option.
Those are Sabbat tactics,.... mass embraced cannon fodder, embrace them, hit their head with shovels, bury them near the enemy, wait till the claw their way out of the ground in a blood frenzy.... shovelheads. But then again, thin bloods can't sire others because of their weak blood potency.
@@VandalAudi some can! There are 15 generation and 16th in the lore.
@@VandalAudi A select few can manage to pull off an Embrace.
I LOVE IB ❤
And now she is even cooler 😍
Great vignette!
Keep it up
"Sir?"
"Yeah?"
"Miss Ib is here."
"What?!"
Commercial: "let's play raid shadow legends! "
Me: "Ahhhhhhhhh!!!"
Ib being 'emotional' WHAT? Awwww. Love her every time.
i ADORE how Ib brings the best outta this Ventrue hiphop mogul.
💖
one hell of an actress.
also:
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ is so! Victor! UGH!
After Ib's heel turn a few episodes ago it's good to see it was a feint.
I just realized... pineapple was Xs safe word.... those texts from X had pineapple emojis.
I would love to see Campbell ask for the embrace in the future.
Carl looks so small compared to Walters!! Jesus, I didn’t realize how big he was until just now lol
Mad props to Victor and Ib for being able to stay so in character while the storyteller is rolling dice menacingly every 3 minutes lol
Casual conversation in the quiet room.
Jason Carl rolls a bunch of dice
Uh oh...
Also Jasper is going to be PISSED when he finds out ib is a lasombra and Victor just spilled the beans on his domain and shadow mirror.
27:51 I call that Campbell really is someone else that already has infiltrated the coterie!
How will Ib's sire and clan elders manipulate Ib to destroy Victor? This is the clan that made the Borgias look like amateurs in politics.
YA KNOW... a point, here. a biggie.
Lascombra don't operate at that level do they? It is more bottom up. Ib would go to a court of blood to ask to diabelerise another Lascombra. I dont know how it might work with a Cam like Victor but is is usually about loyalty or benefit to the Clan. Removing Victor would not do much. Removing the Scourge would position Lascombra to have influence in LA. Maybe Ib is being also targeted by the scourge? I think Ib could advance the idea of a "loose cannon" and the need for Lascombra to have a long term plan. Maybe better would be to clandestinely plan for Victor or someone else to remove the second scourge without any Lascombra involvement.
When the Lascombra eventually come looking for influence in LA Ib could confide in Victor and come up with a plan to involve them without conflict.
Easy. Raise her up. Give her power. Give her a hunger for it. Then make her choose between Victor and her own power. She picks power, she'll kill Victor. She picks power they will break her and make Victor watch.
That's why I don't trust this "Oh, we're Camarilla now" one damn bit. The Lasombra letting go of their beloved Sword of Caine to join an enemy they've fought for centuries? No, the Cam are being played for suckers and have let their doom right into the house.
That whole section with Victor and Ib was just amazing.
@ 21:23 --- "It's not like I can call the prince of Muncie and say; Hey, how you doin'?..".
Ah yes, a shout out to the Ol' MET game from Ball State.
I believe at the height, there was what, around 150 people playing?
Here's to Shawn for taking South Bend by Night to College with him.
When he was home, he was the Werewolf ST during the Summer.
His brother Tony, ran the Sabbat. While Jay was the Primary Cam ST.
Now there's a flashback to 1994 - 1997
uuurgh I have to WAIT for the next epilogue! Amazing storytelling and production, I hope everyone involved knows how much I (and a lot of other people) appreciate this wonderful series :D
OMG!!! IB is my character!!!!
Aevin, an Ex-Special Forces Lasombra!
Actually, Chaz was murdered first. The club was destroyed as a result. Let's not forget that. Victor and his ilk wanted to be taken seriously and they got their wish. I realize they are the PCs and therefore the "good guys," but they made the first move. I have very little doubt the Camarilla would have attacked them at some point. I am also not saying that Nelli and the rest didn't have good reason to kill Chaz, even though I really miss Mark Meer as Chaz." But don't forget that the Camarilla is responding to the agression of the Anarchs.
Chaz was still after the grove and after Elysium and stuff, shit went down at the Grove but it was for sure started by the sheriff. And then the prince and seneschal broke the rules of Elysium.
Awww Victor and Ib melt my heart!
Mine, too. :)
When players acknowledge they are not invincible. When they show fear; that's extra XP.
"So after I heard you were sheriff I'm like cool cool I'm DEAD."
Love how Ib comes in and continues this show's tradition of characters calling out Victor on his bullshit.
I would love to ask Campbell, his honest answer about how it feels to work for vampires. He seems good with it but what does he think when he goes home after a shift?
I love IB! but man I cannot tell if her feelings are real or is she just getting close to then betray 😭 This season has got me not trusting any kindred lol
Thats the point. You shouldn't trust kindred. They literally are just out for their own self interests
I... I think she's legit guys 😭 I mean yea she'll do what she has to but I think she's telling the truth about caring abt him
Ib's friendship with Victor is more deep then what we see. The bonus episode from wondercon showed that Ib is very much Victor's friend, is emotionally invested in their friendship, and she was devastated when she had to leave. Yes Ib was Fiorenza's ghoul and In front of others she plays the stoic professional, but don't forget Victor literally jumped in front of a werewolf for her and this season she went to bat for him when she met with Vanniver & Suzanne. When she is doing her job she's all hard business, but with Victor their bond is Iron.
Ever notice how Victor *always* has "just one more thing..."
He's a Columbo fan.
Always good to see IB, as ghoul or kindred. Although I still have no real confidence as to the game she is playing.
Well, hopefully, Victor won't get backstabbed.
Wendesday dinner: LA by Night and Bisgetti.
First time watching the series, I just gotta say I looooooove when Jason Carl plays Abrams!
Gotta love the little touches... The lighting and back pieces for this scene were beyond spectacular. The counter play between Victor and Ib was always one of my personal favorite storylines existing within the chronicle. A smart dodge on the whole Tromeo and Juliet that could have become. (Not to say it wouldn't be an interesting thing to pursue on a side chronicle.) Good epilogue overall on this one!
OMG IB! Love IB! Go badass Lasombras.
xKimichi Lasombra are a pretty wicked clan.
@@Mutant_X98 i know right!!
Why was this interaction more romantic than any nelli g and victor have had over the entire series?
Always happy to see Ib. Glad to see she's (theoretically?) still on the side of our coterie.
I’m watching the epilogues at double speed to get as much info as possible before the S4 premiere
Ooo it snuck up on me....
But let's tell a vampire story.
IB gives the best hugs
Ibs Storyarch might well be my favorite out of all the great storylines of these past three seasons. I'm so stoked about how this is gonna turn out.
Way better writing than most shows on TV.
Ib!! Just so happy to see her, I want to hug the stuffing out of her!
Geek & Sundry, good video! Enjoy your Wednesday!
Ib claiming that Victor doesn't care as if he didn't offer to embrace her when he found out she's a century old ghoul and hated it
Every single time Jason Carl rolled dice while Ib was talking I got so freaking nervous. Who's spying? Please don't get her killed. How did she know they killed Rodrigo, though?
I have been WAITING for this moment.
Vivat Lasombra.
Down Boy Down... Lmao..
Enimvero, pulcheritudo eius superat multa (omnia, si fas est) ut alter amandus alteram.
i would have so loved it if victor had place in that secret tunnel for Ib a massive painting of the baron of the valley on the wall. or a painting of both him and her
So...lasombra cast no reflection, yet Ib's makeup is flawless. Granted she is over 100 years old but that is an AMAZING skill!
YES I love Ib good to see her trying to help.
I Love me some Jason Carl playing as Baron Abrahams
love ib, deff wanna see how this turns out!
Phew, Ib was breaking my heart for a minute there
Seems Abrams may have regained some respect for Victor after seeing his response to the Camarilla
"It's... REALLY fuckin' bright in here." Hah. Lasombra humor.
Ib just trade one set of chains for another. I agree with Ib's points on Victor treatment of his friends.
48:24 Yes, just give a secret way in to your enemies. That is TOTALLY not going to bite you in the ass.
When Victor mentioned the beckoning, a thought occurred to me.
Why is Staus even here?
He’s old. Older than everyone else on the entire show. He’s a big picture guy, shouldn’t he be playing 4d magic chess with some ancient entities rather than trying to sort out a territory despite between a man-child prince and a bunch of rebellious neonates not even a century old?
I’d think that whatever the hell is drawing the elders east would be much more important to Staus than anything going on in LA. Unless this business with the Laylines is way bigger than we think it is, or if there’s something else going on in LA we don’t know about.
Yeah that's right Strauss is Old. Why isn't he feeling the Call?
Rue Stahl pretty sure it’s been established that elders can refuse the call, though it takes some effort.
I’m more wondering why Straus is resisting the call when whatever is going on east is probably something really important that he’d want to get some eyes on. Again, unless there’s something in LA he thinks is somehow more important.
GOOD question. ;) The Beckoning is dependent on an uncertain combination of Generation, Blood Potency, chronological age, clan, personal willpower, and luck; it's not at all uniform. Strauss might be feeling it strongly and fighting it, or he might not be feeling it at all...yet.
Ok I don't get how Ib could have gotten past Suzanne's mind read if she actually did side with Victor. And also Ib revealed the existence of Mark AND Isaiah! Honestly, I was looking forward to evil Ib and they keep fixing things through the power of friendship lol sigh
It could just be the product of the partially improvised storylines, but they feel very wishy washy about who they make evil and how they characterize them
30:07 I LITERALLY WENT "AAAAWWW" OUT LOUD.
Dang Man, I really love these vampire stories. Now I wonder if Jason Carl knows of any Vampire clan quiz's to see which clan you'd be embraced by.
It's really about who are you as a person
I was so w8ing for this today lol D
Ib my girllllll so nice to have u back!
Ib and Victor hug. The entire internet: AWWWWWWW!!!!
wednesday night just became a little darker....ahd hooray for that :D
Victor is great tho, he's legit the most considerate guy from the coterie, I don't get what Ib is on about tbh. :/ He always makes sure everyone is taken care of, idk why he gets so much shit.
I love Ib so much. I want all the best things for her.
"100% of the people we killed came after us first" - Victor
That's a complete lie, the Sheriff didn't came after them, he came after the Tremere traitors, Chaz didn't come after them, they literally set him up and assassinated him, not even Rodriguez really came after them he came after Sanchez who Victor claimed wasn't under his protection unless he literally asked for it and when they didn't keep their promise of handing him over and attacked Rodriguez he just kidnapped Jasper and didn't even kill him.
But that's the typical anarch mindset "the evil bad camarilla attacked us so we had to strike first and kill them all"
Also : I can't believe that no one wants to point out the most obvious reason why a Vampire turns crazy being the Malkavian who literally specialises in making people crazy..... Like Theresse brainwashing the prince is the most obvious and cliched storyline I can think of. Even if we take into consideration that Victor doesn't Theresse is seeing the prince himself it's still the most obvious explanation considering they're at war with each other so why wouldn't the malkavians attack the prince?
All caught up. No more binge watching 😥 you mean I have to wait for a new episode?? How will I cope in the meantime??
God if IB turns out evil Friendship and Love are just straight up dead in this world.
Ib, the seasons I've seen he treated you very good, even offered you the embrace.
And what story is true about your embrace, the one you gave Vannevar or the one you told Victor?
Still don't trust her, but I like her.