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He was one of the few Jedi who treated their Clones with kindness. It just so happened that in this instance that kindness lead to sacrificing civilians.
If only George Lucas were in charge of a sequel trilogy, I would have loved Jabim citizens to participate in reconstruction period with the New Republic.
If i had to choose between the life of someone i don't know and my dogs life i would choose to save my dogs because i love them and have an attachment to them, i do not expect them to save me if the roles were to be reversed but i also wouldn't expect some stranger to save my life either because they have their own people they gotta lookout for too... it sucks but i understand and i would not hate someone for that.
Reven sacrificed innocents so he could end the war between the mandalorians, Anakin sacrificed innocents so he could save the clones, who were of course clones of a mandalorian.
”That could not have been an easy choice to make. Unfortunately, we saw ourselves fighting over the many resource interests that were scattered around the galaxy. They were very vital to the renewed war effort. I can understand the choice on a long-term type deal. “ CS/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion
This was the battle that Anakin realized that sometimes wars are not a simple affair that one will believe in them to be. The Clone Wars was a conflict that pushed the Jedi Order to its limits with its morals, this was a Jedi Order that had a thousand years of peace, and they were not prepared for a war of this scale.
I remember getting an Alpha clone action figure that came with a small comic, and it just so happened to be about Jabim. I'll always remember that comic...
Anakin made the right choice, I would have made that choice as well. But, I would have left the loyalists as many weapons and other supplies as possible.
Same here, I'd have told the clones to give the loyalists their weapons and armor and would have dropped whatever else there was in armaments (do the gunships have weapons-lockers? If so, then those, too!). I would have also left them any other useful equipment (say communication-devices to reach the Republic or at least call in other people (mercs) etc.)
@@dreamingflurry2729 too nuanced for SW writers, had to show the readers that Anakin was leaving the natural born humans to die. This dude posting biodroids everywhere seems to be having a tism fit about clones being seen as human beingsm
The Loyalists were still outnumbered. No matter what weapons and supplies you left they most likely would’ve lost anyway. It seems to me that by abandoning those weapons and supplies the CIS could capture them when they’d inevitably clear them out. They could then use them against the Republic by arming more anti-Republic movements. Plus; If they did arm the Loyalists and then informed them they were leaving, what if they chose to attempt to forcefully take the transport ships? Now you’re facing an even greater risk in a moment of great emotions.
Which.. are usually civilians who took up arms to protect themselfs and their assets. A civilian with a gun might be a threat, but it is not the same as a combatant, trained soldier.
@@mbpaintballa Not really. Military is not the same area, and jurisdiction. Rebels fight inside invaders. Military outside invaders. Rebels are untrained, military is trained. The difference is a lot. Because rebels have guns, but military... military has MLRS. Military has claymores, armor, bullet spreaders. Military can easily cause massive amounts of human life loss. While rebels are at best an armed mob trying to occupy legal institutes to free them. By that sense the Rebels from Galactic Civil War are more military. And maybe a lot from Jabiim too. However every clone was a soldier, but not all Jabiim loyalist was military, soldier.
@@Kareszkoma umm according to the rules of war all you need to be a "soldier" is a uniform and a weapon. and the uniform isn't needed for being a combatant. Also lots of rebel groups in the real world have MLRS without having a government, I could make you a tube system in an hour and rockets in a week if i had the boom boom. and yes the rebels were a military, they had training, weapons, intelligence services ect.
@@mbpaintballa Myes, you could. But if you have training, uniform, and weapon production.. than it's really military. I don't mean rebel as in "we named ourselfs that". But in an actual sense. Having a fucking mlrs and a fighter plane.. doesn't really make you a rebel. More like, freedom fighters or sth else.
Just like when the USA had to flee Saigon as it fell to the NVC. Military personnel first then civilians if possible. It's never an easy choice, but war never gives you the easy choices.
@@jessewarr1277 In cannon they really arent. With those chips in their brains, one switch from palpatine makes them react differently. The fact of the matter is, if anakin left the clones then they served their purpose (they dont live long anyways due accelerated aging). Leaving armed civilians to fight a fight that the Republic started all for materials....is a lot more scarring than leaving soldiers designed for war to fight. The right option would be anakin leaves the clones and himself to self sacrifice himself for the greater good (and palpatine wont have a successor). Being realistic dude also had plot armor so no need to be scared.
It seems like every few months we talk about or mention Jabiim. I mean I'm not complaining it's a great battle. And the fact that TCW didn't try to do their own version of it like they did with the Battle of Kamino, is one of the few issues I have with that great series. Also, I think this was a critical point in Anakin's life, but not for the reasons you said. You see, a few days ago another Star Wars TH-camr, The Studious Wave, who is not as good as you Geetsly(lol), posted a video on how the Battle of Jabiim was still affecting Anakin as far as the Battle of Coruscant, as mentioned in the Novelization of Episode 3. It basically said that Anakin still felt sorrow and guilt over not just what he had done to the Loyalists, but also over the death of all his friends at the battle, and eventually, with some goating from Palpatine during his battle with Dooku in Episode 3, he let all that fear and sorrow turn into anger, specifically at Dooku the leader of the Separatist who is basically responsible for all the horrible things of the war, and well we all know what happened next in that fight. So I personally believe, while these kinds of things would lay the groundwork for the more ruthless tactics of Vader, what happened at Jabiim, and all the other horrible things Anakin witness during the war, all the death, and destructions, the Zygeria slavers, Ahsoka leaving, all of it more likely just made him sad and angry, sometimes at himself (another major part of Vader's characters), and Palpatine would later use all that anger to manipulate and turn Anakin into the monstrous shell of his former self known as Vader.
It’s a bit weird the Jabiim Seps became pro empire after the clone wars There whole thing was independence and you would think the loyalists would be pro empire especially since the Empire killed the Jedi and Luke was in charge of the rebellion.
I thought so too, but I honestly take it as a critique of revolutionary politics. In the bloody tide of conflict, power vacuums allow corrupt opportunists to hijack political movements. In truth, the jabiimi nationalist movement died with Alto Stratus. Thorne Kraym is who became Jabiimi's imperial governor.
I'd have chosen the clones over the people: 1. I'd have been fighting along side the clones so I'd have a somewhat bond with them 2. They are expensive and it takes many years for replacements so it smarter to save them 3. The clones were slaves that had no choice in their life so I wouldn't leave them to die for a cause they don't understand
@@Gingerecologist9051 Yes, but you don't have to trust them, they came out of nowhere tbh, you really think the army just came up to help the Republic? Who ordered such an army without the Jedi's consent? Why was it made? (Sifo Dias...), although they may seem loyal and are quite friendly, it would be wise still to not trust them fully.
@@Yusa_Beach mate all the jedi were looking into that and plus there a war going now not like I would have much choice when it came to using the clones like I could maybe have made my own army with regular people but that would take to long and reinforcements would be harder to come by
Lets see... Slave soldiers, many times referred as bio*droids* who fought along side this boy who was a slave and like droids. Versus a bunch of dudes he never saw in his life. Phew... What a easy choice for our boy Ani. I can't say it was even a dilema for him.
Essentially in this scenario. There is no good choice. Either one has their implications and it is up to what you choose that decides who lives and who dies.
Experimental AT-AT's(First Generation) Which had more of that box shape instead of a trapezoid a shape AT-XT's wonder why they were never used or seen in the empire usage. Iconic AT-TE's walkers neato
You can't blame anakin. I t was a hard chaoice and, at the end of the day, the loyalists were real citysens on jabim and could talk themselves in beeing forced by the jedi (whom they would hate by now). The clones, on the other hand would be POWs. For the jabimi, that wasn't that likely meaning that, tho a right choice didn't exsist here, Anakin had a pont in leaving the Loyalists behind.
This definitely is one I'd have to say you're reading into to much. For starters the jabimi 'civilians' were active combatants and not innocent. While the jedi are sworn to protect people these particular people were already actively engaged by their own choice, however justified their reasons.
Anakin was right . The Clones had just as right to live as the loyalist maybe even more so . The Loyalist chose to fight the war and when you chose to fight you are subject to the consequences. Also it seems to me that the Nationalist had the will of the people the Loyalist literally went against their planets interest and brought death and destruction( Also they may have interfered in the election ) . The Clones were bread to fight a war and had very little choice in the matter . Anakin saving them was a show of loyalty to his troops .
Anakin made the right choice, those clones are men too. And the loyalists aren't innocent. They are fighters too, in such case every good leader from Caesar to Napoleon or Rommel. They would have chosen to save their own men. The ones that were his duty to protect.
well the Clones were innocents too, so whomever anakin would have chosen to leave behind, it would still have been sacrificing innocents. Kinda glad he chose the clones though. The Clones were essentially slaves to the republic and they didn't choose their life. The loyalists, however, did chose their own paths and at the very least, may have stood a better chance surviving considering that they had the home turf and knew the terrain. The Clones would not have had that advantage if they had been abandoned. No right choice in this case. Both choices were awful.
He did not choose victory over innocent lives he simply looked at the scenario and acted with logic and compassion. Those men had been through a living hell and lost thousands whereas the Jedi lost a couple dozen over a planet that they should've never been on to make profit of an abundance of natural recourse. Sound familiar at all? Anyways those men were not only Anakin's battle buddies but had no say in the war they were thrust into. To choose the lives of people who you already lost so much to try and help over the men you went into that situation fighting with would be morally atrocious unless that is you took the position that clones weren't people which Anakin certainly did not take that position. He has been shown countless times to care deeply about the lives of his men and I believe he made the right choice.
Geetsly gonna just gonna point out that the Mando takes place on 9ABY and that so happens it be the same time Grand Admiral Thrawn took over 3/4 of the galaxy, I believe that we will se the clever minded man himself on the Mando
I believe we cannot really blame Anakin. With all the respect of civilian lives, saving Clone Troopers is crucial to Republic war efforts. You can save the loyalists, but they will not be as good in combat as the Troopers. Anyway....the morale of this story is... War is cruel, unfair, and can harden, or destroy you in all the senses. Yet, like some people below, to try to mitigate the situation, I would try to calm the hate by leaving the loyalist with the most resources possible so they can continue fighting at least in guerrilla warfare style, until the Republic recovers and completes it's wartime industrialization phase (which was what enabled them to tide the war in their favour later and perform the Outer Rim Sieges), so they can come back and restart the fighting.
The Battle Of Jabiim it's still canon in my heart. It just happened earlier in the war. The trauma of Jabiim is how I justify the more mature Anakin from The Clone Wars. Also, since Obi-Wan is thought to be dead and only later Anakin finds out he's still alive I use it to justify the improved more brotherly relationship they have in the show compared to their relationship in Attack Of The Clones.
I will not denial the impact of Anakin's decision for himself and his life, but the decision was correct. Just imagine the US had to choose between evacuating their own troops and South Vietnamese people during the Vietnam war. . And btw. to call all these loyalists "civilians" is not correct.
Those civilians will be spared since executing them will give them a bad imagine Foreign invaders obviously won't be sparred and even worst treated them inhumanity
The right decision is the civilians and resistance, as the rest are soldiers. Just as Anakin. Their duty is to stand and fight. Anakin choose the clones, because they were his family. He did this many times. Choosing the clones above others or doing risky missions just to save clones. Sorrowfully even in real life, there is a $ price tag $ above everyone's head. The order is usually to recover the expensive assets, military vehicles, and than the infantry. 1 trained soldiers equipment is worth more than a resistance member, or foreign agent.
The best choice is to ask both loyalists and clones for volunteers to stay behind while everyone else escapes. To ask them to stay behind willingly so that others can fight another day. It's still not a very good choice, as he might not get enough volunteers, but it's better to give a group the choice to sacrifice themselves than to make the choice for them. One is nobility and the other is treachery.
I wonder what happened to those other transports though. I think had it not been for that, he'd have saved all of them. And the title is kind of deceptive, these people were not "civilians".
Since I think that the clones are actual people and not just desposable junk like for example an army of battledroids, Anakin as a commander has a responsability to his men as well. Its a hard choice for some but I would make the same choice given the same situation. On a moral approach I have a responability to my men as their commader and if you wonna look at it from a tactical approach (and not from a strategic POV sonce it fucks the diplomatic relations between Jabiim and the republic, potentially losing them valuble resourses as you mentioned..) it makes more sence to save the clones as well since they are objectivly better as a fighting force than the loyalists and it would give you the most potential for new tactical options and an opportunity to continue some kind of operation depending on how things evolve. But what do I know ^^
I can't believe people justify Anakin's decision on moral ground. Both he and the clones were soldiers of the Republic. It was their duty to protect its people, even at the cost of their lives. It's like the most jedi course of action he could've taken. It's especially crazy that after Jabim they quickly shipped him to the next battle, under a "Tusken" master no less.
The morally right decision here was to let the civilians escape and for Anakin to personally stay behind with the clones, go into hiding and hope for some kind of rescue for all of them, ignoring Palpatine's order. It probably would have worked as well, since Palpatine and the Jedi would still put a lot of effort on saving him.
TBH a lot of Jedi, especially during The Clone Wars, adopted an "end justifies the means" type of mentality, and most of them believed that all kinds of sacrifices were necessary for the sake of "the greater good". The whole concept of "the greater good" is ambiguous anyway, and often depends on which political party or government is in power. It even varies from one person to another. I'm also asking, why were a bunch of Padawans and a 20 year old Jedi Knight left in such a situation? Where were all the Senior Jedi? They just buggered off and left them to it? Charming.
@@geetslys They all got killed and a bunch of Padawans survived, left to fend for themselves in a war zone. They really sucked in other words. Don't blame Anakin for getting the heck out of there.
The morale dhoice here wouldve been to split both groups evenly so that both loyalisists and clones with rheir respective commanders got away, that way at least, its fair
Honestly I would take the clones as well, can't leave a soldier behind at a random planet, I came with them and wouldn't leave them, even if they say there just clones doesn't mean that their lives aren't as important as theirs
I don't really see why anyone on Jabiim would want to be a republic loyalist at this point... also where did the republic scrape together a HUGE taskforce from?
@@geetslys Well yes, but there is always a point during the clone wars abourt how few and thinly stretched the clones are, so I meant like, it's weird that they are able to assemble in great numbers for single campaigns like this. Also thanks for answering
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What would you guys do if you were in Anakin's position here? Would you still choose to save the clones? or would you save the Loyalists instead?
None shall live! LOL!
His conclusion was fair. It proves just like in TCW show that Anakin will go with what he understood what was better for his own views.
I feel this was a tough decision, that war tuns bad people worse and good people bad.
Question are you a xenophobic?
They weren't civilians though they were local forces. So it was a choice between Clone troops or local militia.
Wow so this is an example of how anakin treat Clones like humans instead of organic droids
Anakin was always good to them!
He was one of the few Jedi who treated their Clones with kindness. It just so happened that in this instance that kindness lead to sacrificing civilians.
@@zexalbrony4799Yea thats the downside
TBF Vader only punished commanders never the troopers
@@V.B.Squire yea thats vader(Anakins darkside) if he wasnr vader he wouldnt do that
When it comes to war, compassion and honour and often the first casualties
In war times truth is the first casualty - the quote at the start of a clone wars episode I can't remember which episode
Yeah I bet you know from personal experience
That sounds like one of those quotes from the start of an episode of the clone wars haha
The sad truth.
@@goldenzenon9569 why?
Clones: "We're clones. We are meant to be expendable."
Anakin: "Not to me."
... your an idiot... Yoda said that in S1E1 and Plokun said it in rise of Malevolence
@@S4ftyIn2pect0r Bro chill. He might have just swapped the names around for this moment, ya know?
@@Labyethan 😑 don't mention star wars quotes if you get wrong who said them
@@S4ftyIn2pect0r "Only a Sith deals in absolutes." - Commander Cody
@@S4ftyIn2pect0r "Bruh, it's just a meme" - Qui Gon Jin
I wonder if those escape transports were really "lost" or just never sent.
Palpatine *smiles
He keeps them all in his basement obviously. Right next to his exercise machine that helps him practice 900 degree spins.
[ *SHEEV* INSTENSIFIES]
A few hidden charges in the engines. Sure, lost in the storm.
The repercursions of that decision were still present during the Galactic Civil War, as the Jabiim residents hated Luke due to Anakin's actions
Jabiim was like, screw the entire Skywalker bloodline.
If only George Lucas were in charge of a sequel trilogy, I would have loved Jabim citizens to participate in reconstruction period with the New Republic.
@ramarblood7697
Oof, maybe the Solo bloodline could sneak in 😅 just don't mention that Leia was a Skywalker
Loyalists: What should we do!?
Anakin: You stay here! I'll be back.
Loyalists: Oh, that's 'great'!
Some loyalist: x (doubt)
“Idiots! The blockade has been broken!”
Can't blame him I mean they were basically his friends he fought with them and led them in many of battles he's closer to them than the locals
Still they were not humans they were no different from driods u could call them biodroids
If i had to choose between the life of someone i don't know and my dogs life i would choose to save my dogs because i love them and have an attachment to them, i do not expect them to save me if the roles were to be reversed but i also wouldn't expect some stranger to save my life either because they have their own people they gotta lookout for too... it sucks but i understand and i would not hate someone for that.
This type of situation comes up in real wars too often as well.
@@davidmacko983 they aren’t droids they are clones each one of them is a human just with a chip that makes them follow orders
@@davidmacko983 they are human
Reven sacrificed innocents so he could end the war between the mandalorians, Anakin sacrificed innocents so he could save the clones, who were of course clones of a mandalorian.
fake Mandalorian
@@mbpaintballa true mandalorian and mand’alore
@@mbpaintballa true but at least they got to kill the jedi
Gonna have to agree with The Flaming Maniac over here!
@@geetslys ayyy lets go brother!
”That could not have been an easy choice to make. Unfortunately, we saw ourselves fighting over the many resource interests that were scattered around the galaxy. They were very vital to the renewed war effort. I can understand the choice on a long-term type deal. “ CS/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion
I'd argue clones count as "innocent lives" as well. They didn't chose to be in the war. They are victims too.
That point is also more apparent considering you have Master Chief as you pfp, a classic example of a (virtually) child soldier in Sci-Fi.
Well said man.
The Republic was responsible for their Hellish existence *and* keeping them trapped in it. Shakespeare couldn't devise more tragic troops.
@reee reee Some do.
@reee reee They were designed around War, hence they love it
Clones: YOU MUST CHOOSE!!!
Jabiim Locals: DONT LISTEN TO HIM ANAKIN!!!
LMAO
Jabiim: You were the chosen one Anakin! You were meant to save us not them!!! And you chose them!!! Noooooo!!!
Clones during Order 66: Powaaaaah!
This was the battle that Anakin realized that sometimes wars are not a simple affair that one will believe in them to be. The Clone Wars was a conflict that pushed the Jedi Order to its limits with its morals, this was a Jedi Order that had a thousand years of peace, and they were not prepared for a war of this scale.
True but Count Dooku correctly noted "The Jedi Order's problem is Yoda". Jabim paid the price for Yoda's own complacency with the Old Republic.
I remember getting an Alpha clone action figure that came with a small comic, and it just so happened to be about Jabim. I'll always remember that comic...
Anakin made the right choice, I would have made that choice as well. But, I would have left the loyalists as many weapons and other supplies as possible.
Biodroids not clones
Same here, I'd have told the clones to give the loyalists their weapons and armor and would have dropped whatever else there was in armaments (do the gunships have weapons-lockers? If so, then those, too!). I would have also left them any other useful equipment (say communication-devices to reach the Republic or at least call in other people (mercs) etc.)
@@dreamingflurry2729 too nuanced for SW writers, had to show the readers that Anakin was leaving the natural born humans to die.
This dude posting biodroids everywhere seems to be having a tism fit about clones being seen as human beingsm
If they did do then the loyalist would ve instantly star shooting them and escape
The Loyalists were still outnumbered. No matter what weapons and supplies you left they most likely would’ve lost anyway.
It seems to me that by abandoning those weapons and supplies the CIS could capture them when they’d inevitably clear them out. They could then use them against the Republic by arming more anti-Republic movements.
Plus; If they did arm the Loyalists and then informed them they were leaving, what if they chose to attempt to forcefully take the transport ships? Now you’re facing an even greater risk in a moment of great emotions.
I like the addition of recently developed at ats as a symbol that the republic was basically the empire at this point
Those weren't exactly civillians, but Jabim resistance fighters.
Which.. are usually civilians who took up arms to protect themselfs and their assets.
A civilian with a gun might be a threat, but it is not the same as a combatant, trained soldier.
@@Kareszkoma if you are fighting you are a combatant, and its their responsibility to keep their people in check not the military.
@@mbpaintballa Not really. Military is not the same area, and jurisdiction.
Rebels fight inside invaders. Military outside invaders. Rebels are untrained, military is trained.
The difference is a lot. Because rebels have guns, but military... military has MLRS. Military has claymores, armor, bullet spreaders. Military can easily cause massive amounts of human life loss. While rebels are at best an armed mob trying to occupy legal institutes to free them.
By that sense the Rebels from Galactic Civil War are more military. And maybe a lot from Jabiim too.
However every clone was a soldier, but not all Jabiim loyalist was military, soldier.
@@Kareszkoma umm according to the rules of war all you need to be a "soldier" is a uniform and a weapon. and the uniform isn't needed for being a combatant. Also lots of rebel groups in the real world have MLRS without having a government, I could make you a tube system in an hour and rockets in a week if i had the boom boom. and yes the rebels were a military, they had training, weapons, intelligence services ect.
@@mbpaintballa Myes, you could. But if you have training, uniform, and weapon production.. than it's really military. I don't mean rebel as in "we named ourselfs that". But in an actual sense.
Having a fucking mlrs and a fighter plane.. doesn't really make you a rebel. More like, freedom fighters or sth else.
I’ve never read the rest of the series, but my older brother had this volume. I must have read it like 30 times growing up
Same dude
@Navin Singh Lol. I shouldn’t be allowed to use photoshop
The rest of the series is amazing, some of the darkest Star Wars stories out there. Highly recommend.
We've all been there!
Like the evacuation of dunkirk
"Every Frenchman saved is an Englishman lost, every casualty saved is a fit man lost"
Just like when the USA had to flee Saigon as it fell to the NVC. Military personnel first then civilians if possible. It's never an easy choice, but war never gives you the easy choices.
Please do more videos on warfare with battle maps discussing anything about warfare. Please!
We'd love to do some videos that have tactical analysis!
@@geetslys Well I didn't hope for a reply. It is my fortune. I am glad someone appreciates my likeness! Thank you! 😁
I wish we had gotten a jabiim episode in the clone wars
It’d have been darker than Umbara. But it would’ve been too early in the war for the Filoni timeline
Loyalist: Master skywalker there's too many of them, what are we going to do?
Anakin: Adios
Clones or humans ?
Anakin: Clones
The republic: you saved your friends and left a population to die. Promotion !
Clones are humans
there is no right option though
@@jessewarr1277 In cannon they really arent. With those chips in their brains, one switch from palpatine makes them react differently. The fact of the matter is, if anakin left the clones then they served their purpose (they dont live long anyways due accelerated aging). Leaving armed civilians to fight a fight that the Republic started all for materials....is a lot more scarring than leaving soldiers designed for war to fight. The right option would be anakin leaves the clones and himself to self sacrifice himself for the greater good (and palpatine wont have a successor). Being realistic dude also had plot armor so no need to be scared.
@@jessewarr1277 exactly. Just because they're clones dosen't make them any less human
@@ydontubegray they are human but order 66 kinda deactivates their emotions
It seems like every few months we talk about or mention Jabiim. I mean I'm not complaining it's a great battle. And the fact that TCW didn't try to do their own version of it like they did with the Battle of Kamino, is one of the few issues I have with that great series.
Also, I think this was a critical point in Anakin's life, but not for the reasons you said. You see, a few days ago another Star Wars TH-camr, The Studious Wave, who is not as good as you Geetsly(lol), posted a video on how the Battle of Jabiim was still affecting Anakin as far as the Battle of Coruscant, as mentioned in the Novelization of Episode 3. It basically said that Anakin still felt sorrow and guilt over not just what he had done to the Loyalists, but also over the death of all his friends at the battle, and eventually, with some goating from Palpatine during his battle with Dooku in Episode 3, he let all that fear and sorrow turn into anger, specifically at Dooku the leader of the Separatist who is basically responsible for all the horrible things of the war, and well we all know what happened next in that fight.
So I personally believe, while these kinds of things would lay the groundwork for the more ruthless tactics of Vader, what happened at Jabiim, and all the other horrible things Anakin witness during the war, all the death, and destructions, the Zygeria slavers, Ahsoka leaving, all of it more likely just made him sad and angry, sometimes at himself (another major part of Vader's characters), and Palpatine would later use all that anger to manipulate and turn Anakin into the monstrous shell of his former self known as Vader.
Anakin: *Sacrifices civilians*
Revan & Malak: *Nod in approval*
I just wish we could have seen some more bloody grey area battles in the clone wars.
It’s a bit weird the Jabiim Seps became pro empire after the clone wars
There whole thing was independence
and you would think the loyalists would be pro empire especially since the Empire killed the Jedi and Luke was in charge of the rebellion.
The Empire bought Jabiimi ore at good prices, and that was ultimately why the Nationalists wanted to break off anyway
I thought so too, but I honestly take it as a critique of revolutionary politics. In the bloody tide of conflict, power vacuums allow corrupt opportunists to hijack political movements. In truth, the jabiimi nationalist movement died with Alto Stratus. Thorne Kraym is who became Jabiimi's imperial governor.
Lol, our boy Geetsly will never miss an opportunity to talk about out lord and savior, Revan!
“The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few”
I see your Vulcan 🖖
You know, I am glad those loyalists survived that was nice
I'd have chosen the clones over the people:
1. I'd have been fighting along side the clones so I'd have a somewhat bond with them
2. They are expensive and it takes many years for replacements so it smarter to save them
3. The clones were slaves that had no choice in their life so I wouldn't leave them to die for a cause they don't understand
They'd turn on you tho, you'd have to take out their chip.
@@Yusa_Beach I wouldn't know that information at the time
@@Gingerecologist9051 Yes, but you don't have to trust them, they came out of nowhere tbh, you really think the army just came up to help the Republic? Who ordered such an army without the Jedi's consent? Why was it made? (Sifo Dias...), although they may seem loyal and are quite friendly, it would be wise still to not trust them fully.
@@Yusa_Beach mate all the jedi were looking into that and plus there a war going now not like I would have much choice when it came to using the clones like I could maybe have made my own army with regular people but that would take to long and reinforcements would be harder to come by
@@Gingerecologist9051Leave the order and fake your death then?
Lets see... Slave soldiers, many times referred as bio*droids* who fought along side this boy who was a slave and like droids. Versus a bunch of dudes he never saw in his life. Phew... What a easy choice for our boy Ani. I can't say it was even a dilema for him.
Me after seeing a notification from this channel: A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Haha I don't know if its a surprise, we always upload at the same time 3 time times a week
Essentially in this scenario. There is no good choice. Either one has their implications and it is up to what you choose that decides who lives and who dies.
Umbara: We had the most bloodiest in galactic history!
Jabiim: Ha Ha Ha That's cute.
For the Ore...i mean the Republic!
I mean this is one of those situations where palpatine set him up for failure to draw him closer to the dark side
The Loyalists signed up for it, the clones didn't
Experimental AT-AT's(First Generation) Which had more of that box shape instead of a trapezoid a shape
AT-XT's wonder why they were never used or seen in the empire usage. Iconic AT-TE's walkers neato
Anakin be Like: i just going to get some milk i'll be back....
In hindsight, if the clones and loyalists fought together there it looks like they could have won
You can't blame anakin. I t was a hard chaoice and, at the end of the day, the loyalists were real citysens on jabim and could talk themselves in beeing forced by the jedi (whom they would hate by now). The clones, on the other hand would be POWs. For the jabimi, that wasn't that likely meaning that, tho a right choice didn't exsist here, Anakin had a pont in leaving the Loyalists behind.
1:44 Didn't know that Thor exsists in the Star Wars Universe.
Suddenly Anakin's fall makes a lot more sense
This definitely is one I'd have to say you're reading into to much. For starters the jabimi 'civilians' were active combatants and not innocent. While the jedi are sworn to protect people these particular people were already actively engaged by their own choice, however justified their reasons.
We're a Star Wars youtube channel, we're meant to read into things too much
The jabiimi nationalists are one of my most favorite factions in star wars
well we will proably see more of jabiim
Anakin was right . The Clones had just as right to live as the loyalist maybe even more so . The Loyalist chose to fight the war and when you chose to fight you are subject to the consequences. Also it seems to me that the Nationalist had the will of the people the Loyalist literally went against their planets interest and brought death and destruction( Also they may have interfered in the election ) . The Clones were bread to fight a war and had very little choice in the matter . Anakin saving them was a show of loyalty to his troops .
The continuation of this story into the rebellion comics is amazing
Anakin made the right choice, those clones are men too. And the loyalists aren't innocent. They are fighters too, in such case every good leader from Caesar to Napoleon or Rommel. They would have chosen to save their own men. The ones that were his duty to protect.
well the Clones were innocents too, so whomever anakin would have chosen to leave behind, it would still have been sacrificing innocents. Kinda glad he chose the clones though. The Clones were essentially slaves to the republic and they didn't choose their life. The loyalists, however, did chose their own paths and at the very least, may have stood a better chance surviving considering that they had the home turf and knew the terrain. The Clones would not have had that advantage if they had been abandoned. No right choice in this case. Both choices were awful.
He did not choose victory over innocent lives he simply looked at the scenario and acted with logic and compassion. Those men had been through a living hell and lost thousands whereas the Jedi lost a couple dozen over a planet that they should've never been on to make profit of an abundance of natural recourse. Sound familiar at all? Anyways those men were not only Anakin's battle buddies but had no say in the war they were thrust into. To choose the lives of people who you already lost so much to try and help over the men you went into that situation fighting with would be morally atrocious unless that is you took the position that clones weren't people which Anakin certainly did not take that position. He has been shown countless times to care deeply about the lives of his men and I believe he made the right choice.
Jabim: oh look we have oil and we're actually resourceful.
Republic: Sounds like y'all need some freedom.
Geetsly gonna just gonna point out that the Mando takes place on 9ABY and that so happens it be the same time Grand Admiral Thrawn took over 3/4 of the galaxy, I believe that we will se the clever minded man himself on the Mando
That would be awesome, but I doubt it. It would be cool if it turned out that Moff Gideon was working for Thrawn.
I believe we cannot really blame Anakin.
With all the respect of civilian lives, saving Clone Troopers is crucial to Republic war efforts. You can save the loyalists, but they will not be as good in combat as the Troopers.
Anyway....the morale of this story is...
War is cruel, unfair, and can harden, or destroy you in all the senses.
Yet, like some people below, to try to mitigate the situation, I would try to calm the hate by leaving the loyalist with the most resources possible so they can continue fighting at least in guerrilla warfare style, until the Republic recovers and completes it's wartime industrialization phase (which was what enabled them to tide the war in their favour later and perform the Outer Rim Sieges), so they can come back and restart the fighting.
The Republic deserved to loose Jabiim
They should've saved half and half clones and Jabiim civilians as they can
Can you cover the Durge vs Grievous comic in legends?
Durge fought Grievous in the comics? Which ones?
@@jakemcgovern8633 It was from one of the Clone Wars Adventures comics
The Battle Of Jabiim it's still canon in my heart. It just happened earlier in the war. The trauma of Jabiim is how I justify the more mature Anakin from The Clone Wars. Also, since Obi-Wan is thought to be dead and only later Anakin finds out he's still alive I use it to justify the improved more brotherly relationship they have in the show compared to their relationship in Attack Of The Clones.
6:50 Lelouch vi Britannia orders you to stand down
I will not denial the impact of Anakin's decision for himself and his life, but the decision was correct.
Just imagine the US had to choose between evacuating their own troops and South Vietnamese people during the Vietnam war.
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And btw. to call all these loyalists "civilians" is not correct.
The choice of clone troopers was most logical.
He did the good thing.
Love ur pic bro
@@S4ftyIn2pect0r Cheers mate.
Those civilians will be spared since executing them will give them a bad imagine
Foreign invaders obviously won't be sparred and even worst treated them inhumanity
The right decision is the civilians and resistance, as the rest are soldiers. Just as Anakin. Their duty is to stand and fight. Anakin choose the clones, because they were his family. He did this many times. Choosing the clones above others or doing risky missions just to save clones.
Sorrowfully even in real life, there is a $ price tag $ above everyone's head. The order is usually to recover the expensive assets, military vehicles, and than the infantry. 1 trained soldiers equipment is worth more than a resistance member, or foreign agent.
Anakin chose correctly. Fact. Greater good results from clone army surviving rather than a PSF
Great stuff. Would love to see this story arc in an audio comic on TH-cam.
Why the hell is there an AT-AT at 3:45?
The AT-AT was originally developed during the Clone Wars. Prototypes of the walker saw extensive use on Jabiim.
@@geetslys So basically the Empire used a crappy old walker instead of something new and creative. Great....
First time I've ever gotten a notification from your channel
The best choice is to ask both loyalists and clones for volunteers to stay behind while everyone else escapes. To ask them to stay behind willingly so that others can fight another day. It's still not a very good choice, as he might not get enough volunteers, but it's better to give a group the choice to sacrifice themselves than to make the choice for them. One is nobility and the other is treachery.
Waita a minute, wait a minute a AT-AT!?!?
This is Canon for me!
Yup. Definitely. Correct.
CLONES FIRST
Another jedi would've chose the loyalists, his reasoning is pretty Darth Vader, but that's also why the clones respected him above other jedi
You think Napoleon would have conquered Europe if he had put the civillian population over his soldiers?
I wonder what happened to those other transports though. I think had it not been for that, he'd have saved all of them. And the title is kind of deceptive, these people were not "civilians".
@@goldbergshekelwitz1596 And what did that get Napoleon? He died, and his empire splintered.
If I were in Anakin’s position, I would’ve chosen to evacuate the loyalists instead of the clones.
I kinda want to see a film about the battle of jabiim.
Surely tzey could have cramped a few more guy in there if they left some suplies behind
How much worse would the clone wars be if he decided to lose a good chunk of the 501st so early?
Since I think that the clones are actual people and not just desposable junk like for example an army of battledroids, Anakin as a commander has a responsability to his men as well. Its a hard choice for some but I would make the same choice given the same situation.
On a moral approach I have a responability to my men as their commader and if you wonna look at it from a tactical approach (and not from a strategic POV sonce it fucks the diplomatic relations between Jabiim and the republic, potentially losing them valuble resourses as you mentioned..) it makes more sence to save the clones as well since they are objectivly better as a fighting force than the loyalists and it would give you the most potential for new tactical options and an opportunity to continue some kind of operation depending on how things evolve.
But what do I know ^^
The caption got me dead🤣
Breh I'm taking my boys that rode with me. F the people that fought amongst themselves and chose to bring people in themselves
Is it because “Good Soldiers Follow Orders” ?
... please.. please don't..😢
DONT MAKE ME CRY
@@geetslys u and me both...
@@geetslys Sorry.
@@S4ftyIn2pect0r I miss Fives & Echo.
I can't believe people justify Anakin's decision on moral ground. Both he and the clones were soldiers of the Republic. It was their duty to protect its people, even at the cost of their lives. It's like the most jedi course of action he could've taken.
It's especially crazy that after Jabim they quickly shipped him to the next battle, under a "Tusken" master no less.
I have the original 2003 comic it's awesome.
War.....War never changes
He saved his family really
In war, Truth is the first causality
Man, Anakin did his Duty.
Stannis Skywalker
Lol imagine being named after a cloud taht is above its expected altitude
His elite commandos were called the Nimbus too
The morally right decision here was to let the civilians escape and for Anakin to personally stay behind with the clones, go into hiding and hope for some kind of rescue for all of them, ignoring Palpatine's order. It probably would have worked as well, since Palpatine and the Jedi would still put a lot of effort on saving him.
Revan never fell.
TBH a lot of Jedi, especially during The Clone Wars, adopted an "end justifies the means" type of mentality, and most of them believed that all kinds of sacrifices were necessary for the sake of "the greater good".
The whole concept of "the greater good" is ambiguous anyway, and often depends on which political party or government is in power. It even varies from one person to another.
I'm also asking, why were a bunch of Padawans and a 20 year old Jedi Knight left in such a situation? Where were all the Senior Jedi? They just buggered off and left them to it? Charming.
The senior Jedi were all killed over the course of the battle; there were originally 27 Jedi on Jabiim in total IIRC
@@geetslys They all got killed and a bunch of Padawans survived, left to fend for themselves in a war zone. They really sucked in other words.
Don't blame Anakin for getting the heck out of there.
Wait so anakin bad because he took clones to save the planet and he withdrew his men when they couldn’t save the locals? I mean
The morale dhoice here wouldve been to split both groups evenly so that both loyalisists and clones with rheir respective commanders got away, that way at least, its fair
Honestly I would take the clones as well, can't leave a soldier behind at a random planet, I came with them and wouldn't leave them, even if they say there just clones doesn't mean that their lives aren't as important as theirs
Clones soldiers are expendable they can be replaced very easily
I don't really see why anyone on Jabiim would want to be a republic loyalist at this point... also where did the republic scrape together a HUGE taskforce from?
The task force for storming Jabiim was assembled on Handooine.
@@geetslys Well yes, but there is always a point during the clone wars abourt how few and thinly stretched the clones are, so I meant like, it's weird that they are able to assemble in great numbers for single campaigns like this. Also thanks for answering
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General Kenobi.
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Ahhhhh general kenobi!
You are a bold one!
Alto Stratus... Altostratus! A kind of cloud!
(Edit): I've just heard the name for the first time.