Deciding the future of Mario RPGs...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- Super Mario RPG, Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door and Mario & Luigi Brothership are all different examples of Mario RPGs but why all these RPGs at once and is this a sign that Nintendo is closely scrutinising and comparing the effectiveness of different types of Mario story-based offerings?
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Interesting theory! It definitely feels strange to have three Mario RPG's release within a year on one console. Not that I'm complaining.
Nintendo's president recently mentioned their new games would have longer development cycles. It's possible we'll see longer gaps between Mario RPGs so multiple series co-existing wouldn't be an issue like it once was.
I wish they did that with Star Fox. Every 2 years switching between some arcade classic title, then a more plot focused Action Adventure, after that some spinoff maybe Tactics, RTS or a dating sim (the furries would absolutely buy that XD)
@@ruolbuAnd don't forget Andross with his big floating disembodied head and grabbie hands has got to have some fans out there too, lol. 😂
Tbh, I see the Mario & Luigi series as the true continuation of Super Mario RPG, especially since the 3DS releases.
It does feel that way. And i think a lot of the same devs worked on both
Hot take, I'd rather have Mario and Luigi go on adventures together over generic OCs who never show up again.
@@dannypalin9583 "generic" how
I don't know. I think Paper Mario feels more of an continuation to Super Mario RPG than Mario & Luigi. Remember that Paper Mario 64 was originally gonna be Super Mario RPG 2 before changing it.
@@jaretco6423 they're both continuations tbh. M&L did keep the sheer siliness more compared to PM
My money would be on all three Mario RPG branches continuing. I see Nintendo wanting to take advantage of the chance to have multiple Mario RPGs going again as they have identified that they have a lot more sales potential than previously thought. Its pretty astounding that we went from the Bowser's Inside Story remake doing Virtual Boy numbers to Super Mario RPG clearing 3 million easily. As RPGs continue to be astonishingly successful on Switch and into the next Nintendo system, I see Nintendo wanting to continue to get their cut of that. As long as Square-Enix (and presumably Artepiazza) are up for it, why not do a follow-up to such a successful game? And I certainly think the intention with Mario & Luigi was to find a new stable home for it after AlphaDream collapsed and bring those creatives into a more financially stable position whether at ILCA or Nintendo proper.
Nintendo had 2 RPGs series simultaneously mainly because the distinction between handheld and home consoles and because they were different developers.
Alpha Dream were pretty much the same developers as Super Mario RPG, so no need to have them as separated franchises.
Assuming the 3 all sell relatively the same my guess is they continue with M&L being the traditional option, Paper Mario continuing to be experimental but keeping the traditional RPG battling (and hopefully the writing style of TTYD), and maybe a SMRPG sequel but I don't see that being anything more than a one off.
Basically what I was thinking. M and L just seems to make the most sense for go to RPG since one's more of an action-adventure game and the other one feels more like a one time thing.
Why though? If they are all selling well as they are with their original formula, then why change it? The second you change the formula you remove the reason the fans bought the remakes in the first place. If the sales prove it's what people want then there's a place for it as is.
@@1trevor30 Because having 3 RPGs series from the same franchise would probably saturate the market. It would be easier to stick with one series.
I prefer TOK and CS's writing to TTYD.
@@Mymy_64 But we just had that and it didn't saturate the market? With all series selling really well and generating tons of excitement? I mean we just had a test for it and it was successful. You can't go wrong with actual data and facts.
Deliberate or not, this is one of the best times to be a Mario RPG fan ❤
1:45 If it was a test, it would make sense to release all of them at the same time. Else people might play one of two Mario RPGs and then are sick of the third one.
At least the people who are generally interested in all of them.
No it wouldn't. They would all impede on each other's sales, make the test useless. They need room to breathe.
@@SogonD.Zunatsu Yeah, but that's the point.
If they release at the same time, people would probably only buy one of these games.
So if one game gets bought more than the other, there aren't other reasons why one game might have sold more.
It wouldn't make sense from a business perspective because of that. But for testing it would generate more useful results.
Is it really a fair test though? 2 are remakes that add very few new features while one is an entirely NEW game. Perhaps they thought 3 Mario RPG Remakes each 6 months apart was too much? I doubt this was entirely intentional. I feel like this was moreso a happy coincidence caused by Nintendo noting the reception of Origami King in addition to them wanting to push for more narrative Mario games after the movie (like you theorised)
I man you are right in the fact that these three games will be having a lot of data they could come up. Not if just the three different RPG games. But what kind. Remasters, remake, and new title. They might come up with plans on how to handle these kinds of games and what they can do to keep interests.
I do think that this will come to a new RPG title using the lessons they learned. If they can stick that landing will be another thing.
Slightly unfair because Mario and Luigi is an entirely new game imo. Also some of the devs working on this new Mario and Luigi worked on Super Mario RPG in 1996. M&L was basically a spiritual successor to SMRPG
I mostly interpreted this slew of Mario RPGs as both a response to the Mario movie and a way to prepare audiences for the next one (ie, releasing more story-heavy Mario games as a build up to a more story-heavy Mario movie). Although prior to the release of the Mario movie, it would be impossible to know *exactly* the type of runaway success it was going to be, they still could definitely predict that it was likely going to be successful and bring attention to the Mario IP, allowing them to coordinate game releases following the movie. I still think that this definitely could play into why they chose to release all of these Mario releases, but I think that the possibility that you propose is also very intriguing and very likely. The fact that this also conveniently lines up in their transition from Switch 1 to the next console where they need game releases while they sit on stuff could also be a major contributing factor as to why they chose this time in particular for their testing, if they were intentionally planning on doing testing with this.
Anyways. Nintendo is a big company with really complex operations, and they for sure could have many reasons for releasing certain games at certain times, especially three Mario RPGs in relatively quick succession. Releasing such similar games would probably necessitate needing many reasons to justify their release . What I personally think is most indicative of your hypothesis is the specific release windows all games got- they all have really good release windows relative to the titles that they are. Mario RPG and brothership both get the coveted Holiday release window, but Thousand Year Door also has a really good window, getting it right before the summer holidays start which is a particularly important sales window in Japan. Any of these games, especially Mario RPG and Thousand Year Door being remakes, could have easily been slotted into less significant sales windows, but the fact that *all* of them have really good sales windows is telling.
RPG: a new Full-3D turn based rpg made by Square Enix as a loose sequel to the first game. This time with more party members like Donkey Kong & Wario, and more complicated RPG gameplay like jobs and more elements.
Paper Mario: a AAA game on the Switch 2 that combines an evolved version of TTYD's gameplay and storytelling with Origami King's theatrics and graphics
M&L: After brothership comes out, the same team can make a 7th M&L game going off of fan response from brothership..
Partners in Time remake: *is still waiting at the bus stop*
I love that we've been getting really treated with all these Mario RPG games. I'm personally rooting for a Paper Mario 64 remake in similar design of TTYD. It's one of the games left out from the main series and hasn't aged as great as the others did. Though I would love to see a Mario RPG 2, a continuation in that world would be awesome.
I don't know. I think PM64 still holds up remarkably well and still an great game in general. But I do agree that I would to see given it an remake treatment as TTYD has.
@@jaretco6423 I'm not saying the game isn't good anymore, in fact it's one of my favorites and think the story and combat are really fun. I'm more referring graphically where blurred textures can be a bit hard on the eyes and text difficult to read. Add that areas are broken up even more than what was in TTYD due to the N64's limitations. I'd love to see it get the love and attention it deserves.
@@ZethRyder Ah. OK. I see. I can somewhat agree. But at the same time though, I think the graphics still looks great and the game runs well. But if they do an remake, than make the graphics exactly like what TTYD Remake looked.
Honestly the better option is to go back to beta Sticker Star since it was originally looked like a big tribute to pm64 while also being a new game. I don't think pm64 needs a remake; we need a new entry since it's been so long
I really want a new Wario Land game in the style of the first Game Boy game and the Virtual Boy release.
I think if this were the case they would have done a remake of an existing Mario & Luigi game. The fact that they developed a new game already shows they are willing to make a new game for that series.
Can't we have them all please!?
Can you imagine an SMRPG sequel that took the Star Road lore in the direction of Galaxy? It's a very specific dream, but I'm dreaming it
If we ever had an new Mario RPG style, I would like for them to make an Action RPG style of Kingdom Hearts. Only without making the story more complicated, have an better platforming or level designs and have more combo variety.
I'm sure Nintendo is keen to know how popular each game is with various age demographics. The OG fans of the two remasters are prime Gen Y or even young Gen X, so most of them would have kids by now. I feel like they are testing which style has the widest appeal.
But It will be a bad look on Nintendo if they make paper Mario experimental again. To me I feel like they should just stick with both serious like they used to do the only make paper Mario series mixs it with super Mario RPG since they both turn bass
At 1:25 you meant TTYD instead of Origami King (obviously, but someone had to point out the slip of the tongue dangit).
Anyway brb, I'm gonna go get infinite money and access to sales data so I can make all three types sell the same amount, so we can get more games of each type.
I think one way to maintain multiple Mario RPG franchises is to transition the Square Enix Super Mario RPG franchise into a 3D action RPG a la Final Fantasy VII Remake/Rebirth.
That would then leave Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi to compete for the turn based traditional RPG spot.
There doesn't need to be a traditional RPG "spot", both series handle battles and gameplay differently
They could change Paper Mario back to being more like Super Paper Mario to where it’d still have RPG elements and a story, but it’d play more like a platformer.
So Kingdom Hearts, but without the story being complicated and having more combo variety.
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I was always concerned that this might be the intention but the more I think about it the less sense it makes.
Mario RPG, Paper Mario, and Mario and Luigi are all made by separate development teams so it’s not like production of the series would overlap much. Honestly if RPG does get a sequel I think it would just be a one off and not spawn a new series.
We’re not sure who is developing M and L yet but it’s safe to assume that if they’re new to the series they probably don’t have other series on their plate that need attention.
The Paper Mario devs are intelligent systems who handle Fire Emblem and Wario ware and all those series saw multiple entries on the Switch so it’s not like they’re stretched thin.
At most they may have M and L continue forward as the “true” RPG and have Paper Mario return to its weird experimental phase like in the 3DS era to keep them distinct but personally the games are distinct enough on their own and don’t need to be separated like that.
1:25 i just realized u called TTYD origami king (just saw someone already pointed it out, oops)
the more mario rpgs the better if you ask me!
i dont think SMRPG will get a follow up but i feel like theyll just take turns releasing paper mario and mario and luigi games for the forseeable future
idk why people here are suggestion that Nintendo is doing this to see who sells the less and axe, like if they really wanted to axe a series they would simply just axe it and not make a new release for it instead of remakes
That's the "gaming community" for you. They will both argue that similar series can coexist for different audiences, then speculate which one should be axed.
@@NuiYabuko well with PM and ML one of the reasons PM changed was because the devs claimed because there was already a MarioRPG series currently (even tho PM came first) they decided to change a lot of the RPG stuff from PM
granted now I feel like some of the people incharge of people may have left *cough* Tanabe *cough* so there might be a mindset change now with these 3 new releases
I don’t see them making a Mario RPG sequel. Unless something’s changed with the legal state of that game I have to imagine it was a hassle just to get a remake.
I would agree, if Nintendo hadn’t tried the exact same thing in the 3DS era with the whole “only one Mario RPG” thing
nf, i remember having 40 to 50 billion dollars in cash before they launched the switch didnt they?
This is some matpat level minute detail examination
The hardest part of this is that while we now that we have Nintendo’s Mario RPGs, we may have lost our chance to have more Mario+Rabbids games :/
Yeah. Considering the man who made the games left Ubisoft and unless Nintendo makes an agreement with him to make an third title, the series won't be back for an long time.
How come you set your predictions to the end of 2029? Is there a particular reason?
Most aren't but sometimes these are inevitably long term. The next Paper Mario is most likely 2028 + a margin of error gives you 2029.
All of the above?
Here’s what I think, I think they’ll keep m&l as the traditional RPG series. They’ll keep paper Mario as the experimental combat series. And they’ll trash Mario RPG because that was just a remake, and I don’t think they’d make a sequel but I don’t know.
Paper Mario going back being experimental again I don't think paper Mario fans are going to find that exciting specially classic ones
If Super Mario RPG ever got a sequel, I want it to stand out from Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi. By making it an action RPG, because Super Mario RPG was like Square's Final Fantasy, and Final Fantasy went from a turn based RPG to an action RPG, so why can't Super Mario RPG do the same?
A 2022 article saying the dev who made the game thinking about making a sequel before his retirement
That would be terrible
Super Mario RPG 2 needs to be turned based
I liked the idea of an Mario RPG played like an Kingdom Hearts game. But not with Super Mario RPG. It's always traditional and needs to stay that way. Just make an new spinoff Mario game for that.
In my opinion M&L is probably the best series,maybe not the most successful tho
I played TTYD and Mario RPG, they’re good but I didn’t love them as much as some M&L games
I disagree. I think Paper Mario & Super Mario RPG are better. Not saying the Mario & Luigi games are bad and games like Superstar Saga & Bowser's Inside Story are the only good M&L games. But aside from that, I feel that the battles in Mario & Luigi games seems to be focus more on action side rather than also being strategic; which Paper Mario & Super Mario RPG balance both of them well. Also, I liked the worlds, atmosphere & characters in Paper Mario & Super Mario RPG more and M&L doesn't have partners or more playable characters to help out.
@@jaretco6423I think the safest way please the three fan bases are
Mario and Luigi be there own RPGs
And have paper Mario and super Mario RPGs combinate into one game
I saw another video mention this point: this is the first time Nintendo has had one dedicated console for all their development teams.
Why is this important? Mario and Luigi was a handheld series. Paper Mario is the console series. Now they can exist on the same platform. Which leads me to believe that all variations of the Mario RPG can exist. As mentioned, they have separate teams and they don’t have to be rushed. These are tremendous gap fillers in between the releases of 3D Mario. Nintendo has 3D Sandbox Mario, 3D Mario Land style Mario, 2D Mario, 4 different Mario RPG styles, Mario Kart, Mario Party, and Mario Sports games.
Having one dedicated console allows a stream of games to consistently release(cough Xbox cough PlayStation) and makes the console more desirable.
Nintendo is in a really good spot and assuming they don’t screw up the next console(hey you never know) this formula should allow them to continue taking in sales.
I doubt they would make "merely a test" the driving force behind making games. But I do agree they will be looking at the numbers, for sure.
Also, there's no remastered games here. The technology behind them are certainly nothing like the original games, even if the art might be copying the styles. TTYD is almost certainly using the same engine as Oragami King, and SMRPG is so far beyond the capabilities of the SNES that there's no chance at all it's a remaster.
Mario and Luigi is the way
Don’t get me wrong I love N64 paper Mario and TYYD but M and L feels like the right direction for an rpg. Yes BiS was peak and the idea of the rpgs falling into a smrpg 2 would be amazing peak for the Mario Rpg renaissance, but if there a super paper Mario or Paper Mario TYYD style sequel that would be awesome.
But that wouldn't be a good look if paper Mario goes back being experimental again after they gave us a remake.. I feel like both games can be traditional cuz they both are different RPGs
@@mgmboy3778 true.
Miyamoto: I love all my RPGs equally. >Gives mario and luigui a holyday release > Brand new Game > Brand new 3d artstyle
Mario rpg period
You meant the thousand year door right
Timestamps needed for this kind of comment
Sparks of Hope is a strategy game so no.
ah yes, sales, the one correct metric to gauge art by.
I’m so glad I’m living in the timeline where new Mario RPG games are very likely to come out in the near future 💖❤️🩹
How about Waluigi? It’s high time he gets to fly solo.
bowser hasnt even gotten his own game, he’d probably get one before he ever does
Miyamoto be like: th-cam.com/video/P10bC0Bxp20/w-d-xo.htmlsi=DN0lvkx32FaH8YwK
I’m noticing many mistakes when reading scripts and such in recent videos. Not that I mind this specifically at all, but unfortunately it makes me question how reliable your opinions are in my grand scheme of thinking. Of course, opinions are opinions. But what is the point of conversing when one cannot reliably hold slight truth to their word? Not that I have any right to tell you what to do, but I think you should go a little slower on the video output to ensure the facts are correct. Maybe you already do, I don’t know. But I just feel as if I can’t exactly trust you when you make so many mistakes in script writing/reading.
Paper Mario needs to die, unless if they can break away from the paper gimmick, and go back to the original battle system (or something similar).
Listen Here, You need to learn that the old school fans of paper Mario aren't the only ones that matter or have a say in the series, There are a ton and I mean a ton of people who really love games like Origami king and sticker star and they matter just as much as fans like you who prefer the older style
In the end the main deciding factor will be which game sells better, and to honest with you it's not looking like that ttyd will outsell origami king
@@sebastianguerrero6617 Sticker star & origami king is hated by most. It's not just about sales numbers, as Nintendo's taking all kinds of feedback. At the very least the majority spoke out against the battle system and the partner system was disappointing.
@work_days8745 Hate to tell you. But that ain't gonna happened. Especially considering we have the TTYD Remake not long ago and it's doing well so far. So Paper Mario ain't going nowhere for now. But if Paper Mario has to die, than so does Mario & Luigi. Do you really want that?
@@jaretco6423 Mario & Luigi has to die??? Nintendo is going to have some kind of RPG series.
Do I want that.... Super Mario RPG 2 please, is my answer :)
@@work_days8745 Yes. Nintendo can make an Mario RPG. I'm just saying it's not going to be just Mario & Luigi. You know. You want Mario & Luigi to stick around as it can and I want Paper Mario to come back and be like how it was from the first 2 games. If not, than I wouldn't mind an Super Mario RPG 2 or something else.
3 Mario rpg’s is too many, I think Nintendo is definitely having the Mario rpg’s compete so they can trash at least one of them. Anyone that disagrees 3 is too many doesn’t understand what the Mario community thought of the franchise in 2008.
There is an issue with that tho, they did too much of a good job ordering these games. In such a release schedule, the first one is always advantaged so they put the game least likely to shake the world and the third one is always disadvantaged, so they put the game that is the most exciting.
Maybe they expect to be able to give Mario and Luigi the boot by releasing so late into the switch lifespan and the previous 3 releases shocking negatively on 3DS saleswise, but I genuinely think it will sell well and the other two Mario RPGs already sold well, so Nintendo will be stuck with all three in the end if that is the metric.