Kawasaki Ninja 650 Gets HUGE Top End HP Gains from ECU Flash - Moore Mafia
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- Watch as this Kawasaki Ninja 650r gets major horsepower in the top end as it gets dyno tuned/ ecu flash at Moore Mafia Headquarters.
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Thanks again Chris! She really rips now! Worth every penny! Anyone want to buy my PC5?
What's next John? Any more mods? I'm a 650 twin guy to.
Is it still running like it was right after the flash? I also have a 2016 ninja 650 and want to send him my ECU.
@@tonytone5462 Yup, but this is a 2017 which was a remodel. Chris has another video on the previous gen.
I'm not into the twin-cylinder sound at all, but man, that Ninja's parallel-twin SOUNDS SO GOOD! It's musical and harmonic, and not like the ripped fart V-twin sound that plagues the main street where I live, ha-ha. Congrats on the tune, mate! She sounds so nice and those burbles and pops give it character. God bless!
You should make some videos, as this thing sounds insane on decel
Just got my flash back from Chris about a month ago and took it out today for about a 40mi test ride. My bike is a 2017 Ninja 650 with Yoshimura exhaust and no other mods. This is my honest review. Will this be a night and day difference? No. But here are the improvements that are definitely noticeable. 1. Throttle Response: This is the first thing you will notice when you ride. The throttle just feels more free and quick to respond no jerking response that you feel with the stock tune. ( Definite and substantial difference) 2. Backfire:
When I installed the Yoshi pipe with no tune I did have a bit of popping on decel. Now almost completely gone. (positive for me, asked for tune with no popping). 3. Temperature: Bike definitely runs cooler now (1-2 bars lower than before) 4. Top End: This is without a doubt the biggest difference. The bike pulls noticeably and significantly harder at high rpm (about 8K) and just keeps pulling unlike before. ( for me this was the biggest difference and the dyno chart tells the same story). Low rpm and midrange difference are marginal at best other than the better throttle response. Would I do it again at $300 all in? Probably not. Would I do at $200 all in? Probably yes. Chris was great to deal with, fast service and responsiveness. Hope this helps.
Update:
Done about 300 miles on this flash now, and gotta say it's great. It just makes the bike more enjoyable in every way. The only downside I would say is that there is a significant drop in fuel economy, about 10-15% in my case. Some of it is the tune and some of it is probably me because i' ve been riding it harder because it feels better now. Not a deal breaker for me but if you're using this particular bike for commuting it's worth thinking about.
Really appreciate your in-depth analysis of this flash. It gives me an idea of how good this flash is. What MPG’s are you getting with this flash?
I'm going to tack onto this review, since I just got the ECU on my brand new 2024 Ninja 650 ABS flashed and I couldn't be happier! Only mods I have done on the bike are the full Yoshi Alpha exhaust and K&N Air filter / Oil Filter. After plugging in the ECU the first thing I noticed was how much more responsive the throttle was, shifting also seems smoother and there isn't nearly as much jerking when accelerating or stopping (as mentioned above). Overall I think it's the best investment I've made so far for the bike, I'd pay the $300 just for how much more enjoyable & responsive the bike is to ride, even without the performance upgrades because I'm not concerned with increasing my top speed. Highly recommend a flash from Moore Mafia, I'll be back in the future when I purchase more motorcycles!!!!
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Thanks man!
Does it matter what kind of exhaust I have to get the same results or close? I ordered a mivv mk3 full system exhaust and planning on sending my ecu over
Is it possible to mail you ecu from another country. And you can retune and send it back.
The gains may seems small but proper fueling always makes for a 'faster' motorcycle. It's hard to explain, but it just makes a very noticeable difference on the street.
Very true
The pops on that deceleration sounds so good
is the popping in any way bad for the bike?
@@Cam-jl2if nah
Thats cool see’ing these ninja 650’s on the dyno. My wife rode a 2003 ninja 636 from 04-08 & traded it in on a new 08 gsxr 750 & rode the gsxr until 2017 & we sold it & she purchased a new 17 ninja 650. The ninja is far more comfortable for the riding we do & is over all a kick a$$ bike!
Yet another reason why this is a perfect starter bike.
You learn on it taking it slow and responsibly, you grow with it for a year or two as you learn every intricate detail of just this particular bikes handling, and then when you're ready, no need to buy a new bike, you just flash the ECU to unleash it.
Wow. What a brilliant piece of engineering.
Unleash all 1.5 extra horsepower you mean? Yeah or just lose like 15 pounds of your own bodyweight. Will probably have the same effect.
@@HypeRapEnjoyer you obviously didn't pay attention or have never ridden a fuel injected bike!🤦
@@rocknraptor3195 I've had both carbed and EFI bikes bruh 🤣🤣
Agree. It’s also very torquey for a starter bike and teaches you some throttle control.
That should be illegal for them to be able to sell you a "perfect" tune and it not be even close to good. If that was me I would demand my $$$ back.
Honestly like what the hell are Dynojet doing? Ridiculous.
It’s prob from the new exhaust
@@jmcaes32112 it suppose to take that into account.
The Kawasaki Ninja 650 is such a good looking motorcycle but it needs about 30 more horsepower
yep! it lacks around 15 - 30 hp
Just got a 2023 ninja 650 tuned for full system delkevic exhaust and K&n filter! the difference is unreal it’s a totally different bike now, great job Moore mafia!
Whats different? I also have a 23 with the delkevic exhaust.
awesome video, would've loved to see a performance difference between stock, adding the power commander, then the ecu tune
Love the sound of the 650. Not to crazy about all the popping. It's cool but I think it would get old idk. Definitely gonna notice a difference when he rides it tho
My friend just got the 06 650 and I feel like he would love these gains. Are the 06's reflashable or just power commander band aided
Jesus those pops 👍🏽 I want my 650 to sound like that I’m getting a 2020 Ninja 650 soon and I’ll definitely get a tune and everything
It's a great bike but my exhaust is stoll currently and the sound is so low it has gotten me ran off the road before (I was new to riding then). Can't wait to change it, I can't decide between a Two Brothers or Akrapovic full system or just a slip on.
How much does it cost to get your ecu flashed with the exhaust popping?
Like $365, $265 without the pops, and add on another $17 for shipping
I just saw a 13 min video for a tune that is going to give you… 1HP and take away $300 and your warranty… 😳😂
Don’t know if it’s all countries but doesn’t the 650 have a screw that stops the throttle from opening up all the way? If so wondering if it was removed for the tune.
US bikes do not have the screw
Pops and bangs on the ninja 650 doesn't apply anymore? found this and wanted it on my 23'
Keep them coming man. I really enjoy every single one.
Thanks man
Those pops sounds so daaaarrrnnnn gooodddd!!
Just got a 2008 ninja 650r with a yoshimura.. Really hadda get this done!
Would this work with a 2023 z650rs??
7:15 why is this non-yoshimura titled video by far the best yoshimura demonstration on youtube?
Holy cow, they should use this in their promotional material.
It seems to do way more pops and flameouts than un-tuned, is that correct? Loving it.
Have you guys done anything to the seats on your 650s cuz I sat on one once n it was like sitting on a wedge lmfaoo
Do you have a good mail in tune for a 2022 650 nonka with a black widow full cat delete exhaust and air filter?
I'm getting a 2020 Vulcan s with a 16 tooth front sprocket intake and exhaust. I'm sure the ecu should be the same, u think this same flash would work for it
Yes sir
No bike tuner never uses like plexknockmonitor or knockears? Many times on cars you get knock before MBT, or does this ecu have built in knock retard ?
Nice job Chris!👌🏾💯🏍 Simply put, by removing all of the BS EPA restrictions, you are doing the Lords work🙏🏽
Started with 62 and ended with 62 just a few moh top end which is useless. Not really worth the time , effort and money
I think for every day these bikes rock. Very underestimated.
You might have convinced me to keep my 650 instead of getting something bigger.
If you want more power, it's probably best to buy something bigger. The cost per HP of tuning is a lot more than the cost of trading bikes.
@@HypeRapEnjoyer insurance will smack though
I wanna see what you can do to an mt09
Go-to 2WheelDynoTune.com
Look up your year and exhaust. Best money I ever spent. This guy doesn't do a proper tune. You need to block the PAIRS system and remove your O2 sensor. There are kits for that readily available online. I got mine back in 5 days.
Please tune a Mt07 in the future, would like to see the results 👍
Best sounding bike!!!
2Wheeldynoworks MT-07:
72.52 hp
51.35 ft-lb
Correction Factor: STD
Full Yoshimura Db-killer removed, full ECU flash
@@exothermal.sprocket - Did you block off your PAIRS system and remove your 02 sensor? I did that on mine. You should have.
@@Wabbit1961 I personally do not own the MT-07, but I've done similar to other bikes. Depends on what you're after. Sometimes it takes a lot of disassembly and messing around to access the PAIR system, engine valve cover area, tubing and wiring and remove all that stuff. It's got a bit of weight to it, but honestly unless you're competing at a high level in some racing club, it probably doesn't matter that much. If you have a servo operating an exhaust valve, those have some bulk to them. Similar to a lead-acid battery, it's easy to remove some bulk in some cases.
PAIR systems are designed to do nothing except put O2 into the exhaust between the engine ports and the cat. That's all they are there for. If you remove the cat, the PAIR literally serves zero purpose.
Can u do a video on ECU removal for 2018 zxninja636r? I didn't see one on your website.
Any chance on seeing a CBR650F tuned?
Go-to 2WheelDynoWorks.com and look up your bike and your exhaust system. Email is best. Talk to Nils. Read my most recent comment, if he didn't delete it. My flash cost $235. It came back fast. If you're not mechanically inclined take it to a shop because you'll need to remove the PAIRS system and install the block off plates and air box plug. Also remove your O2 sensors. This guy's tune is crap. There shouldn't be anywhere NEAR that amount of back pop. But that's because the tune didn't include the removal of the items above. Good luck. Let me know what you did. Nice bike!
@@Wabbit1961 yo, dick weed, he said he can tune it with or without the decel pop and weeze, ffs.
I have a fully stock 2021 Kawasaki ninja 650 (non-abs). I’ve taken it to 132mph multiple times for 3-4 sec holds at a time (due to redlining). Does a flash in this bike boost it by 13mph all around (meaning all the same results)?
Find out 👀
How'd you get it to 132? Have the abs version and 122 was all I got
@@td3748 how much do you weigh??? Also, you’ll need no uphills. Flat surface, downhill I hit 134mph. Heaven & Earth as my witness. I need this same bike to get to 160mph or I get a something different. 2nd season.
@@atomcypher8942 220. I saw a vid said it was a 21 650 and he was hitting 180...trying to find more info, slightly disappointed my car goes faster than my bike
@@td3748 no way… I would have to see that myself. If that’s possible, I’d keep this bike.
Just sent my ECU! Can’t wait to see the results!!!! Keep it up man!
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Hey man. Quick update please? Loving the tune?
Was yours stock before? Curious what the experience is?
I know this was a year ago but how much better did your 650 run after getting the flash? ?
thinking about sending my ecu for a er6n with the same engine i wouldnt want the popping tho.
Do you have a tune for the Vulcan S 650 with full exhaust?
I cant wait to get some more money so I can bring my bike to you. I look forward to ur vids.
Fireblade RR-R-SP ?????
RR-R-RRRR?
How do I purchase ecu flash from you
what about the back firing though? would you stop that ?
Nice! I'm only about 100 miles away from you guys in Georgia. That would be a nice ride to your shop to have my bike modified sometime this summer. I'll subscribe after this comment, and I'll be in touch.
-Chris
Bummer. Was hoping to see the torque curve.
So basically the power commander that I was told is needed for tuning, is not needed and a waste of money????
Yeah, they suck. ECU tune is almost half what the new power commanders go for.
ECU flash is better.
Literally just sent my 2020 650's ECU out to Moore Mafia this weekend. Similar mods to this bike and super excited to get it back and installed!
How’s it go?
@@stanggang768 Night and day difference. It felt smoother and as if it had more power all throughout the RPMs. I recently sold the 650 and picked up a Z900. I will absolutely be sending my ecu to Moore Mafia for a flash on it.
Did you go with the pops and bangs ?
@@lNickHD z900 are sweet I kinda want a Zx6r 😅
@@TheDargg When my 650 was flashed it no longer did the decel pop which I really missed. My Z900 has some very sweet popping around 3k decel and it sounds amazing so I plan to keep it when it's flashed.
have you done anything like a suzuki sv650s or a honda nc700? would like to see lower powered bikes get tuned to see how they react. keep up the good work
Thats hot as hell, I love the back fire is that at all bad for the bike really long term
Yes it is bad. This is a terrible tune job. He knows it's half-assed. Blow-back can destroy am engine, blow pistons, fuck up your valves, blow piston rings. Sounds good till the engine seizes up.
Wish I did this on my.versys
I have a 2020 Ninja 650 KRT ABS and I weigh 180. Got it up to maybe a bit past 120. Problem here is that this is my daily ride so sending in the ECU for a flash tune is kinda tough. I always wondered why people bother with Power Commanders when all you need is the chip flash. Mine has a Hindle exhaust with a megaphone can and silencer. It has the best sound I've ever heard. Without the suppressor it is a match for any straight pipe Harley,I kid you not. With the suppressor it still sounds way more badass than your Yoshi. Do you have a flash for a Hindle exhaust?
Did you ever get an answer on this I was considering the hindle
do i need to have a pcv to get a ecu flash?
No
Hey Chris, is ecu flash for ninja 650 the same for z650. I have a 2017 z650 with full yoshimura exhaust which I would like flashed. Thanks
Will a quick shifter work on a 2020 ninja 650? If so, where can I please find one
It will. But you could just learn to bump shift without a clutch and do the exact same thing on your own for free Ninetynine
@@TheAsheybabe89 My old 2010 has the gear lever directly on the shaft. No linkage to mount a regular quickshift to, anyway.
What year is this bike? And what exhaust? Bro I have a 2015 and it doesnt sound ANYTHING like this. Mine sounds like a sowing machine.
How can I get ahold of you to flash my 650? It’s a 2024, hopefully it doesn’t change much
Yeah I got a 2017 in a trade an I made a shorty m1 muffler an k&n filter an it’s a ok bike for around town has good low end torque an I know this one will only do 133 mph an that is on flat ground no wind if there is a factor in there we’ll that speed won’t get there. I rather be on my 08 zx6r cause she is my baby so idk if power commander or even a tune would be worth the money or time ? Plus I really didn’t want it I just did to help a friend out but is a great starter bike for sure .
My 400 does 125 lol...
I found some velocity stacks from KSPP, I think the top end is killed by the soft rubber ones that flex and close up at higher revs.
I saw this video just now. I'm hooked. I have a 2017 ninja 650 and I live in Lyman, not far from you, about a 20 min drive. I've never even heard of this tune before but now I want it.
Would you be willing to do this tune on my bike if I drop off the ECU for you instead of mailing it in?
Wtf are Dynojet doing ? I mean I get that the map they give you might not be perfect but that's absolutely unacceptable. I'm actually glad I got my ECU flashed and didn't spend so much extra $ on a PC.
I'm getting 132 out of mine right now with everything bone stock and that's GPS speed that's weird I did buy it used maybe they did it
Do you tune the pops and bangs in intentionally or is it just a byproduct of the increased performance? All ik is backfiring comes mostly from antilag or a specialized pop tune for cars but idk how it is on bikes
Have u had a 2013 ninja 650 in there to dyno tune? I'd like to send my ecu I went same route bought the pc5 or 4 I forget but I didn't notice a whole lot of gains
I have a 2022 ninja 650 are you able to unlock the ECU on those what airnox and exhaust do you prefer to get the most oit of the bike
Hi Chris, I'm in India and would like to get an ECU flash. How do I make it possible?
I wish we could see a dynamic chart like this for a 650 that is stock, I wonder what the difference would be
Hey just sent my ECU for same bike and year but can't get the pops like here in the video 😭
Hello Chris. Congratulations on the two new records.
Does it affect reliability?
Not at all!
I got a 2020 ninja 650, and would like to get this tune. However, I live in Europe :)... I was told to get the power commander and get it tuned by a professional. I have the akra full exhaust that came on the sporty version of the bike and then added a sportsfilter. It seems like it is running somewhat lean. Could you please helpme out? Do you know if there are suitable maps to download for my set-up, etc? This would be greatly appreciated! Thanks
Just out of curiosity, how does this effect fuel mileage? I know a lot of people don’t care about that when tuning but I’m just curious about how when running richer than stock how it’ll effect it
Well if it runs richer then it's using more gas, so mpg goes down ...
In Sydney Australia here. Daily riding my 650 for long distances it consumes worth of $15 AUD every 4 days.
I had a PCV on mine when I bought it, so I've tried every combination of maps, O2 sensor on or off, stock exhaust or TwoBros.
I also logged the mileage. Worst was stock exhaust and PCV. 13.5 KM/litre. Best was PCV off and either a stock exhaust or a different one. About 17-18 KM/litre. I also weigh a bit so you should get more mileage.
Looks great, I just take the throttle plates off the shafts to delete the second throttle and open up even more airflow.
Mmm that crackle
Still doing the ecu flash i have a 24 ninja 650 would love to have that tune
I have a 2012 ninja 650 with a K&N air filter. I’m planning on getting a yoshimura exhaust. Not sure if I should get a power commander or have the ecu flashed. Any suggestions?
ay man do you have z750 2009 ecu tunes for the gp pro exhaust
I have the same bike, so just take out the ecu and ship it to you? What's the turn around normally?
mine does 70hp and 63 torque after dyno tune i did somewhere :)
Good morning Chris. How are you. I have a friend with a harley I told about you and he want to know do you dyno and tune harleys
I have a 2008 650R. Can I get this "custom " tune?
This video right here just might’ve sold me on getting a 650
Top speed???
Please please make my 2019 ninja 650 sound like this.
Braap braap braaap braaaaaaap!!!! If the owner is bragging about how it feels now he’s feeling phantoms playing with his ass.
I have a 2013 ninja 650 really interested. how much for the chip and tune?
So by doing this I'm guessing it would no longer pass emissions test and such
1 day I'm getting a Gixxer an taken it 2u or bring home the Moore Mafia 1k lol
sent mine in, I do lots of trackdays, street is BORING
Just sent my ECU!! Love the pops! Requested them on my letter I sent with the ECU!! Can’t wait!
did you get it back and how was the pops?
@@zombiedeathkill666 I got it back! The pops aren’t like the video but they are a little louder. Bike is definitely faster
@@boostedrama1780 Thanks. Have you got the stock exhaust or aftermarket?
@@zombiedeathkill666 aftermarket!
thats a joke about wanting back firing right? would you really want your bike to be back firing and sounding like shit... like miss-tuned harleys i hear leaving the bars?
That bike 🏍 is loud enough to make you deaf 🧏♀️
I have a 2016 ninja 650 with 2 brother exhaust and it’s amazing but I still wanna get her tuned
what could you expect from a flash with a stock exhaust?
How much would it be for me since I’m in Canada lol
Can you flash the ecu for a 2020 ninja 650?
Yes. The ECU is just under the gas tank. See my other posts please. This guy's tune is incomplete. Used car salesman mentality. That popping is NOT a good thing. Doesn't reply to people's questions on here. That should tell you something.
What's the base RPM limit and the RPM limit after the flash?
Any experience on doing this tune in a 15’ 650e?
So how do i go about doing this? Just got a 21 ninja 650 and could use more power, sorry couldn’t watch the whole video at work
If you need more power, sell the 650 and get a different bike. If you want to adjust your 650 to run the way it should, then flash the ecu and get a tune.