Why nothing is cooler than the BMPCC OG
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 มิ.ย. 2024
- Here’s a really quick look at the original Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera, which I have grown to really adore. While it’s limited in a lot of ways, I also think it’s an amazing tool for filmmaking. It’s even more impressive that it’s over a decade old at this point. So what’s the low light footage like? Is the HD sharp enough or do you need 4k? How’s the color science? How long do the batteries last? Grab a drink and relax, I’ll try my best to answer. Thanks for watching, I appreciate ya.
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Chapters
0:00 Intro
0:22 Battery life
1:35 Monitor
2:10 Sensor
2:53 Image quality
4:04 Cinema DNG
5:04 Color grading demo
9:38 Menus
9:48 SD cards
9:58 IO
10:08 Controls
10:29 Finale
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This is the best color science Blackmagic ever had. I shot an entire feature on this sensor and grading the prores files is simply wonderful. You don't have to change the WB all the time and you can easily treated like a film camera where you set it and forget it. This and the micro cinema camera with their Fairchild sensor are like miniature Alexas.
This same color scence it part of the Ursa mini 4.6k. They have the same Fairlight sensor but the Ursa one is the nevwer get one with 15 stops
Which lens did you use for your feature?
and the BMCC 2.5k :)
link to your feature?
I'm so happy with how much love many people have for this camera. I got mine during a crazy one-day sale Blackmagic had where it was 50% off. Been using it ever since 2013 and have shot so many projects on it. I've been meaning to upgrade, but each time I shoot something new on it, I seem to forget the desire.
I owned one of these cameras years ago. I used it on a few projects. It had the best color science, the sensor was awesome, and it was almost impossible to not get a fantastic image out of that tiny package. As a professional Gaffer, It was a real pleasure to work with.
I bought one of these years ago for a music video and still love it today. I bought 12 batteries for it, though. Needed all of them.
I shot a little travel video in Venice Italy when this camera came out and it still to this day is one of my favorite run and gun shoots. Love this camera.
Your Venice video inspired me to get this camera about 6 years ago. It's like a mini Alexa.
I use to always watch your video in my start up in filmmaking and it made be buy the camera when it first came out
bought it day one when it released, after all these years i still have mine...i love it, i consider it the polaroid of cinema cameras
Man i got this camera a while ago and its "limitations" really made me improve my skills, not overusing much slow mo and getting the shots right in camera, and having for this low price really strong codecs also. i would recommend this camera 20/10 to anyone wanting to improve in cinematography, postproduction and color grading. great video!
I just bought a BMPCC for college and I've loved it's color science!
1. This video was killer.
2. Subscribed because of the editing, format, and way you communicate info. Good job!
Wow thanks I appreciate that
My main camera to use for anything and everything. I've used it for my feature film and all client work. So small I don't feel worried when I'm filming in the hoods and at night around the city. It just keeps helping me grow as a storyteller.
I bought BMPCC OG last week and still equipping it with lenses and other accessories. I love the footage from this camera since the first time I saw it in YT and want to shoot with this little beast ... today I already have it. It's amazing camera, and yes - shooting is really hard and need practice, but when done right the results are amazing and is a joy to edit and color grade the footage from this camera. And maybe I need to mention that I bought this camera for $300! This is the best deal in my life, I really love my BMPCC and cinematic look of it.
Wow $300 is an amazing deal, that’s crazy
This thing was so cool. I truly wish blackmagic would revisit this concept, a true pocket cam, in 2024. Imagine how cool it would be with how much the tech has progressed.
I really need that to happen! I would love that! In fact I think that if BM takes the same sensor, but adds slowmotion, Braw, and better battery life. We would have a winner!
@@NailujProduccionesDon't forget IBIS. I think something this small MUST have in-body image stabilization in order to maintain it's small form factor and handheld nature
Great video. I learned not only about the camera but also some interesting stuff on color grading I’d never heard of. Appreciate the effort you put in here. Keep it up!
Thanks I appreciate that
I still blame myself for not getting one when local retailers mistakenly priced it at $500 brand new. Because they thought that no one would buy the "left over" when bmpcc 4k was about to be released.
Blackmagic actually decided to price it like that at one point. I remember the internet was going crazy and the camera was out of stock for several months on big retailers, but they honored all sales at that price. It’s how I got mine
B&H had a $500 off sale for it back in October 2014. I bought one and then sold it in 2018 and I still regret selling it. I'm pretty sure it was $995 USD outside of that sale
Great video! Makes me want to film with it again. For the Moire issue I installed OLPF filter made by Mosaic Engineering and that helps a lot!
Totally agree, this was my first cinema camera and still my fav. Love how it renders images especially skin tones. I learned a lot about filmmaking using this camera, it was frustrating to use at times but once you see that image you forgive all the short comings. I will buy it again with a metabones speed booster 💯
Thanks Jake!! You're a Genius, Bro. Still have my BMPCC OG, and luv it. Wishing you and your loved ones The Best, my Friend. Carlos
I love this camera! I have a bunch of videos on my channel using it and the image this camera produces is unlike any other I’ve seen
I bought a Pocket 6k a few years ago. Sadly I sold my og. The colours in this little beast where beautiful!
Came across your video from recommendation. I really like your voice and style. Great job!
Owned one, loved it. Nothing beats the color this camera spits out for the price.
Still my favorite camera even though I upgraded to a 4K a few years ago. I just love the image quality and, even rigged up a bit, it remains very portable. Can’t beat it if you are after a genuine ‘film’ look.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 that tactical reload got me cracking!!!
Great video, thank you. I’ve had my BMPCC since Nov. 2013. Used to spend a lot of time on the BMD Forum. Pros take the time to answer anyone’s questions. When it first came out there was a long technical discussion of why you should just leave it at its native 800 iso and adjust in post. I forget the details but they remain somewhere in old posts on the forum.
Back in 2012 this was my dream camera in high school. Im lucky enough to have one now completely kitted out the tilta cage metabones speedbooster and I have a vast vintage lens collection. This camera is so fun to use, the only camera I think is better is the digitial bolex witch I have also shot many times but thats an unattainable camera. These are some of the only digital cameras worth owning imo. The rest i own is film cameras for anything actually serious... but the bmpcc still holds a special place in my heart. If it would have had autofocus or even just a baby amount of stabbleization it probably would have been the best prosumer digital camera created. To anyone even remotely interested in getting one go buy it now they are getting very rare and will start being very hard to find soon.
I owned one of these for a month then ended up returning it. My issue with it was the battery life. I would fully charge it at 100 percent and then it would drop to 40 percent within a few minutes of recording. I also had a backup battery that would do the same. Image looked good. I now use a Panasonic Lumix G7 and it's my favorite film camera.
I've thought about making this exact video before. But you did a beautiful job covering the main points and considerations. I will be posting links to this from here on out. I would add a small tip that there is a program called 'slim raw'. A single $65 purchase (last I looked), no licenses. And it can batch compress CDNG with virtually no loss in quality. Really helps with the file sizes. You can still use the high light recovery and everything in Resolve.
Thanks for the kind words, and I’ll look into slim raw. That sounds like a massive help in post
I would recommend checking out an OG micro camera. Same sensor, but supports 60FPS and some compressed DNG options to save storage. Additionally it used canon EF batteries that last longer, and with a cheap adapter you can adapt to larger LP on the back. And it has no crap screen so you can add a small one on top (and possibly power from out the LP battery on the back) and little side handle and it's still quite small, though boxy for actual pocket use.
When you type in black magic micro original the 4K one still pops up 😂
One day, 10 years ago, I woke up and there was a 50% sale on this camera. I immediately bought one with a metabones adapter. I have an A7 IV now, but the image from BMPCC still looks better to me. The only issue is the noise. When you use this with the adapter and a 1.8 lens, the noise is not that big of a problem, but obviously it's not even close to A7 IV. And with all the utility features you get on A7 IV, it's no longer worth using this camera for client work, but I still think the image quality you get from this thing is absoutely next level.
Owned this camera for years, used it weekly, and have avoided moire by recording in ProRes HQ. Matteo Bertoli did a video on the BMPCC OG and moire years ago; gave examples of ProRes HQ alleviating moire.
I have only shot in ProRes HQ and completely forgot about that issue with the sensor until now.
Oh that’s interesting, I didn’t know ProRes might help with moire. I will definitely give that a shot
I’ve never gotten a 1hr from one of those batteries EVER!
Maaaan I've been loving this camera! Got super lucky and someone in my area was giving it away with a broken lens. Jumped on the occasion, and now it's my daily driver with a 28mm Canon FD lens. On the battery life topic, I'm on the same train as you, just use the Nikon EN EL14 batteries, they're dirt cheap now so I get a bunch of them and wait until they die off then buy new ones
Great video. Still love this camera. I have the pocket 4k but still love the look of this one. I've been playing with using anamorphics on it lately for higher than HD resolutions - works great, crop factor an issue though of course.
Great video, the black magic cameras from this era are truly special! I have the original bmcc which also has a Fairchild sensor just higher resolution. Personally I’d slightly prefer the pocket cause of the mft mount and much smaller size of the camera lol but I bought the bmcc really cheap untested and got lucky. Compared to the cameras we have today these ones are a pain in the ass to work with comparatively but it has a look to it out the box that just inspires you. Beautiful colors and noise pattern out the box.
Have this camera sitting in a film bag in my closet. Deff can’t wait to pop it out of hibernation this spring to get some sick shots 🌱
I love your content!
Thanks, I appreciate that
I had one when they first came out and didn’t have a clue how to use them. It got thrown out when I went to work in engineering at age like 18.
I like this camera it’s my staple with whatever setup I use for clients
I shoot multi cam
Talking heads
Conference’s etcetera
It’s commonly my master shot
I love this camera. Had it back in the day but sold it to a friend. Kinda wish I'd hung onto it. Unrelated but do you ever attend the Ann Arbor Film Festival?
It really is a great camera, I bought mine back in 2015, used... with a metabones speed booster... for $600... CAD, and sold the speed booster for $400, so the camera was effectively $200, probably the deal of the century, and I'm never selling it, even tho I've upgraded years ago, this camera is that special!
Dang that definitely was the deal of the century
Michigan is beautiful.
Got this camera many years ago new. Never understood how to make something out of the files and went back to Canons awful compressed, internal codec (7D) but at least I knew how to get something out of it.
But.. I couldn't get rid of the BMPCC, so I out it in the closet and almost forgot about it. Now I really want to learn about the RAW workflow. And my BMPCC is in actual mint condition.
Love the video man!
We run the Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera as our camera for narrative filmmaking and we’ve been incredible happy with it.
All rigged out with the SLR Magic APO Microprimes (and the .58 EF Metabones Speedbooster) and we are in love with the images we are getting.
Also, OLPF from Rawlite to fix the moire problem. It’s a little pricey at $350, but necessary if not mandatory if you’re using the camera in any real way.
Edit; the advantage of the BMMCC is having Raw 3:1, full size HDMI, 60 fps, reduced rolling shutter, and a fan for cooling in case you didn’t know
Sounds like a sweet setup. I’m going to try and get my hands on a micro at some point for a video, I know a lot of people really love them
I've been eyeing the BMMCC as a replacement for Pocket OG which was my personal cinema camera, but can't get around the screen problem. The whole camera has to fit in my pocket. Not a lot of 3" camera monitors out there. I found a 3.5" monitor/recorder with a chunky battery that's about the same size as the camera🤪There's also the Accsoon iPhone option, but that's similar in size once you add a battery🤷♂Seems like the end of an era
Yeah, definitely entirely different use cases
I never wanted or needed it to fit in my pocket and instead wanted the sensor for narrative use, so built up and rigged up it’s perfect for us
Saving your post for later. Thanks
@@atomka2433hey cool man, happy to help!
Moire is the one thing that puts me off each time I go back to this camera. This time I think I will settle for the BM Production Camera 4K.
this camera is awesome sxcept for the battery
have you tried using SuperScale in Resolve? How does it look upscaled to 4K?
I bought one of these ‘back in the day’ and I liked what I shot with it but at that same time I was also shooting on a Canon C300 - which was a properly professional upgrade from the ‘Indy’ 5Dii days - it was so easy to work with and produce decent images consistently that it was used on everything at the time.
I really overlooked my Blackmagic pocket because in comparison it was kind of janky and nobody wanted the workflow but it was also SOOOO cheap and SOOOO capable - I shot a couple of small low/no-budget projects with it and I kind of wish I still had it or used it more because the image was really nice
Thinking back I think I paid about £600 for the Pocket compared to the £13k price-tag for a C300!
Seems crazy now!!
Also you can probably buy a C300 for about £600 today! If you only need HD and have EF lenses that’s a bargain!!
I shot a western on it as a newer dp back in the day the week dng was available.
I’ve had two, I wish I still had them. Great little device, footage looked great. BUT: battery life was nil and terrible in low light. It was good for outdoor daylight shooting, but if you wanted to shoot indoors or at night, I hope you like noise.
People forget that there is a lit out there for the bmpcc4k and 6k which you can put in camera that EXACTLY replicates this old school ‘color science’. Yet there are so many more benefits for using the new cameras. I own the old and the new 4k and 6k. I’ve used the lut with my cams and they matched perfectly with the original Blackmagic. The sensor is so small tho.
I'm new to the party - what is the lut called exactly?
0:50 - I've bought a used X-T3 with the original battery. The camera did came from 2018 from it's pre-owner. And I can shoot ~300 RAFs without recharging on this single accumulator. 5+ years! :) It wasn't sitting in a box these years. Recently I was shooting in cold conditions (with a special warm soft case) and I've shoot for about 1.5 hours with small pauses. Then I've got the battery drained out.
And it's a well known weakness of Fujifilm older (before X-T5, X-S20 models) cameras. I'll buy few bats from Ali soon (after their NY). Actually I was almost got ran out of ideas to that moment when my battery did sucked out. I've missed few good shots though!
Lol i have one still brand spanking new in the box never used from when it first came out, just wish i bought the tilta cage at the time you cant get them anywhere. Still havent bought the speedbooster but you can still find them
Why does the "main camera" link in the description point to a listing for "Canon EOS C200 EF Cinema Camera #2215C002 Body Only"?
A 10 year anniversary edition would have been great.
Agreed
This and the original Canon EOS M make for a great pairing.
Yes they can match pretty well.
very interesting video , i like your channel 😊
Hey thanks!
the electronics on mine that control the lens burned out so its manual f stop lenses only now like vintage and its ok
Now I regret having sold mine. Thanks ;)
Thanks for the nice video. I wanted to ask you about a problem that you don't have according to your camera's performance - I own two bmpcc og and both of them suffer from hot pixel problem, respectively you can't shoot at more than 200 / 400 iso - otherwise those white pixels are completely visible in underexposed parts, somethin like stars on the night sky.... don't know if it's due an old sensor or if you or someone else here has also experienced this problem or ever solved it? I shoot on ProRes HQ, thank you
For this camera its best to buy a dummy battery that can connect to an external power bank through usb-c so you'll have all day life and it stays small
Also if the old BMDfilm has limited dynamic range sort of the old Vlog-L and my old 2.55k has actually capable of capturing more than display with bmdfilm.
So for best results start of with p3-d60 and linear as the gamma. you can cut then to either aces, DaVinci wg or directly to rec.709 if you like. Best to. work with linear gamma when it comes to raw instead of feeding the nle a logarithmic image.
I think the main reason this camera looks the way it does is due to the sensor literally being Super16 size. The physics just worked out and I think BM kind of got lucky. They should bring in a similar form factor in 4k. Hard to believe they still call the 6k "Pocket Cinema". You need a damn forklift for that thing.
I really can’t find anywhere to purchase it. 😢 Any other camera that makes similar videos?
Mannnn, yall are driving the price of this up on the used market! I been looking for my third one (broken LCDs) and cant find one less then $500. I bought my current one for $250 5 years or so ago.
I wore mine out but I don't want to spend a fortune on a replacement, esp. knowing it's quirks. The power management on mine has gone haywire and it only stays on for random amounts of time, usually under 5 minutes. On eBay they seem to cost the same as they did new. Getting another old camera with broken power management is a risk. And yet I've got a tiny 20mm anamorphic lens that doesn't fit anything else, and a collapsible loupe which they don't make anymore. It was a perfect rig that fit in my pocket😭
when the bmpcc4k was released, i was really hoping it would have the same image characteristic as the og. It was definitely not the case. I still take this image quality vs the current line up.
Like this for travel and casual or a6700?
I rented one of these to do a rig where I needed to shoot through an AR headset. Worked decent. Wasn’t super impressed with it though.
Just picked one up this year....for the 2nd time. I'm surprised by how great the image looks at 1600. I was expecting a lot more noise but it doesn't bother me at all. The gh5, for example, I never push past 2000 and imo the noise at 2000 on that camera is far worse than the noise patterns you get here at 1600. It's pretty incredible what they did with such a tiny sensor and the fact that you can pick one up for about $500 these days is a bonkers good deal
Yeah I was confused because I always remember hearing the noise was terrible but I had no issues at all. What lenses do you use with yours?
@@jakehayden998 olympus 12-40 PRO and voigtlander 25mm f0.95 for the darker situations where 2.8 doesn't quite cut it
some users said that if you plug in a mic for recording,the sound is noisy and unpleasant.i've never used a bmpcc og before.is it necessary to use external recorders or amplifiers for audio?as it's usually quite expensive.i intend to shoot documentary and reviews.tks!
Still a great cam for personal projects or having fun. Pretty unusable on professional jobs as you need a monitor for critical focus and that micro HDMI is just on its way out at any point. I had the BM Micro but could never find compatible cards for it lol.
The color science is very good in daylight balanced scenes but pretty abysmal in tungsten lighting. That is because although you can change white balance, the color science does not update for the different illuminants like more professional/modern cameras, this camera only has daylight color science. You will see in tungsten lighting that warm tones are a little pink and greens are desaturated. Pink tones are ok for very light skin but kinda funky for darker skin.
The blue channel is also super starved of light in tungsten balanced scenes and it makes the colors much noisier.
Yeah, I discovered that same issue when filming indoors and using tungsten lights. Drastically reduced the image quality. Could never get it fixed in post, either.
@@realChannelZ If you shoot raw, the Gen 4 color science can be selected in resolve and that does have color science for tungsten lighting. Gen 4 has issues with very saturated colors though, but I find having working color science more important since its much easier to fix saturated colors.
Can we use laowa nano morph lens on this? It is designed for apsc but protrudes into body.
I have ef mount
Try the CDNG on the Sigma FP. Also a future classic.
That’s funny you say that, I was doing some research this morning on the Sigma FP. I’d love to get one in at some point to test out
@@jakehayden998 Yes, you won’t regret it. I shoot it with vintage glass and the files are sumptuous, although massive of course. The 1080/120 is also incredible. You will be blown away.
+1 for this ! Would love to see your thoughts on the FP @jakehayden998
I regret selliing mine. The thing is like owning the first Mac but oddly still useful.
first time i've seen this cam.. we dont have this in the Philippines.
How many megapixels does the Blackmagic Pocket cinema camera Original have. Just curious
1080p is about 2 megapixels
He talks with a large travel mug on his hand.
that is Wild Rose. Are you Wisconsin based??
Pretty close. Michigan
There is the RAWLITE OLPF mod available for theses cameras, sometimes you'll see examples for sale with this mod already installed.
Man I don't know why they abandoned their in-house sensor. I would still be a blackmagic owner if they didn't start to use Sony sensors
The OG's ProRes footage can be up-rezed to 4K without too much penalty. 😊
That's a great camera if you use external mic. Battery is the main problem. Cheers.
Black Magic need to make an S35 version. they got lost in the sauce.
I am more happy with the 4K Pocket
what shoe are the blue nikes ?
They’re an old pair of Nike Bruins. My favorite shoes of all time haha I only bust them out on special occasions
Tengo la blackmagic y a dia de hoy todavía es una pequeña bestia que funciona como el primer dia.Pero es hora de dejarla descansar y sacar al juego a su hermana mayor la 6k.Descubri Blackmagic y ya no me cambio...quizas algun dia a Arri 😂😂
I have had the original BMPCC since it came out. It is still my main camera. This video is all BMPCC low light. No noise reduction. ISO 1600. The noise still looks good to my eye even with the TH-cam compression. th-cam.com/video/P5IMd7gwM5U/w-d-xo.html
Watching this reminds me just how far their physical design has fallen.
I got three of them and a bmcc and a few vintage lenses and to be honest even the same age pana g7 works pretty ok. I love them but .........
Uk eBay: there are no sub £500 ones!
You don't use this because it's the best camera, you use this because you realize that the best camera is the camera you have fun with. Came here from Reddit
This camera represents an ethos that has sadly been abandoned by camera manufacturers, which is playful portable cinema. The "Pocket" branding transformed from something fun and interesting into boring budget studio cameras. They don't fit in your pocket, and they really need to be rigged up with stabilizers and follow focuses to be fully functional.
I really wish that Blackmagic would revisit this pocket concept. Give it IBIS and better battery life and I'm all in, even if it's just 1080p. Good AF would be a plus but I could live without. I want a BMPCC mkii!
The only thing that it had going for it is its codex. For its day and price, it was impressive. Otherwise...
By the time you rig it out to do anything, it loses the point. Its a crash cam at best.
The problem is finding accessories for this thing
Storage is a bigg issue tho
I wish i could get a newr battery that actually could work for an hour. I don't want to rig it up.
Anti-moiré / anti-aliasing filter ;)
I think the Sigma FP is better than this for many many reasons.
I really liked mine, but it developed a LOT of dead pixels and became unusable.
th-cam.com/video/4qTus294l6Y/w-d-xo.html we shot this film with this tiny litle can in 2016