I love collecting things in games, but not when I’m priced out. I have pax tf, rusty blitz and other limited skins, but this is the first time I’m skipping.
the thing is, he's an hipocritical, this systems make you addict in some mesure, when someone put money on tft and dont want a product, just want a chance, is when the adiction start, people dont get that this systema are made to make you feel great for the experience and rush of gambling, not the product, so this system is great for people like him cause make him easy to make a bad product, people still get cause they're at some point addicts, They don't realize, chance in game is very very diferent than chance in a product to sell, that's why games with a chance are not ban, meanwhile gambling with money is very forbiden
@@namifianamifia9812 when someone put money on tft and dont want a product, just want a chance sounds like a them problem. imagine spending money on skins in a game just cause u want to see what skin you land on and dont want to use the skins LOL. why don t you help them out and go make them a programme that rolls league chests for free?
@@mysticflow467 I could have worded it better; I’m skipping the collection of gacha skins (and those ahri skins) as a whole. They’re the first limited skins that I do not have on my account.
So many flaws with this argument. First, gacha/loot boxes in games is NOT the same as buying Pokemon cards, or whatever collectable cards are on the market. They are inherently different. Physical cards carry value, no matter how low that value may be, and you have 100% ownership of it once you get it. Gacha crap in games is NOT owned by the buyer at any point. If the game shuts down, your account gets banned, whatever, you LOSE all that value. This is something that will 100% not happen with physical products, therefore they are fundamentally different and not the same. Furthermore, because you do not actually own it, therefore unable to resell it, loot box crap in games have no value at all, while physical collectables ALWAYS have a value. Even if you were able to trade it in game and get "value" out of it, it still doesn't have value, because you're getting in-game currency, which is like Monopoly money, i.e. no value. Two, and Dog using guns as an analogy is just so typical of Americans, and really shows the problem with gacha/loot boxes. "A tool in the wrong hands is bad," yes, and what is the point of the tool? Guns were designed to kill, that is the primary purpose, and that's why it's bad, because it gives people the option to harm others, even if it's not in the wrong hands, the intent of the tool was bad to begin with. I agree gacha is the exact same. The primary purpose is of predatory nature directed against children whom know no better than to throw money on loot box crap that have no value. The intent was bad to begin with. It's a bad tool, and not just because it's in the wrong hands. The fact that Dog doesn't find a tool designed with a predatory nature towards children REALLY shows the kind of person he is. Honestly, I hope more countries come round to banning loot box crap, and at a larger scale, so these predatory practises cease to exist.
Thank you for this reply. I love mort as a developer so much and he is great, but his gun comparison really rubbed me the wrong way, and you perfectly explained why.
This, also a point that is very important is that you don't purchase the lootboxes (or w/e) directly with real money: you have to first buy a virtual currency that you use to get the items, which creates a level of separation. This makes people less aware of how much they're actually spending, which is extremely predatory. In tft case you have to go through 2 conversions: real money -> RP -> tokens Meanwhile if I want to buy a pokemon card pack I buy it directly with money and I know how much it costs without having to go through multiple conversions
"First, gacha/loot boxes in games is NOT the same as buying Pokemon cards, or whatever collectable cards are on the market. They are inherently different. Physical cards carry value, no matter how low that value may be, and you have 100% ownership of it once you get it. Gacha crap in games is NOT owned by the buyer at any point. If the game shuts down, your account gets banned, whatever, you LOSE all that value." I agree that collectibles are fundamentally different than skins on a video game, but I disagree on why. The part I agree with is that you don't fully own the skin or whatever thing you get from the gacha (whereas with collectibles you do). I disagree that collectibles have "value". The idea that any item period has value is already a point of contention. Collectibles are only worth as much as anyone else is willing to pay for it. If I happen to get a super rare, 1-of-1 Pokemon card that no one else has, then obviously that card would be in-demand. Meaning it's monetary value would probably shoot up incredibly high. But the issue with that is the card is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it. Interest in collecting Pokemon cards could literally die out tomorrow and the card would be worth exactly $0.00. This isn't even an issue exclusive to collectibles. You see this all the time with huge companies that get billion dollar valuations, but are only actually bringing in a fraction of that in as profit. The company's value is perceived to be much higher than it's currently worth (because of whatever various factors), but the company could go bankrupt tomorrow and lose all of its value. What this means is that "value" is something that each individual decides. It's not something that is actually real. YOU are the person that decides what something is worth. Edit: Forgot to address the second point: "Guns were designed to kill, that is the primary purpose, and that's why it's bad, because it gives people the option to harm others, even if it's not in the wrong hands, the intent of the tool was bad to begin with." This is just untrue in multiple ways. A gun's primary purpose being to kill doesn't mean that it is inherently bad. Let's say I own a gun legally, and someone is invading my home and shooting at me. Would it be wrong for me to defend myself by shooting back? Should I just let him kill me? This is exactly why a gun is just an object, nothing more nothing less. It doesn't have an inherent good or evil attached to it. It's a tool for a purpose carried out by the person behind the trigger. It's neither good nor evil. The intent of the creation doesn't matter. There are countless things that are created and used in a way that wasn't originally intended. The only thing that matters at the end of the day is HOW we use the tool.
@@thomasgromek3540 If you pay more attention you will realize he's a PR trained populist who constantly talks in ways that insult the intelligence just because the aim is to please and appease the masses by any means necessary.
@ I know what you mean when you say something is only worth any value because of an agreement to perceive that. However, that's why I said a physical collectable is worth value, not money, because I understand that it may not be worth any more, but that is not the same as not having value. Having value means, regardless of its money worth, it is worth "something" even if you use that Pokemon card no one wants as a coaster, it is still worth that, and you can give that to someone else for the same purpose, or a different purpose, and it has value because it "does" something and there is ownership to it. Definitely disagree on the guns point, and it's always heard from Americans. "I need it to defend myself." This is an inherent flaw for defending the possession of guns. First of all, if it wasn't legal to own a gun, which makes it harder to get access to one by default, your "home invaders" won't have a gun to start with, so you don't need a gun to defend yourself. "I need it because they have it" is a flawed argument in itself. And there is good and evil attached to it. Some items may not be used for their intended purposes, but guns are. It doesn't matter if you are "defending" yourself, because the purpose of a gun is to do harm, and if you use it to defend yourself, you are still doing harm to another with it. To say, "some things have been used differently" for something that is only used for their primary purpose is a straw man fallacy. No one is buying a gun to be used as a door stop, the intent of it is to do harm, and that is evil unless you want to tell me doing harm (as a whole, not specific circumstances) is not evil. Back to the idea of gacha and loot boxes, they're the exact same, there is no other purpose other than its predatory nature, and that makes it evil.
The issue with gacha is that they are predatory, they make you lose the value of money and make you spend way more than you would want to. If you have infinite money then sure, but too many people spend money they regret later. That said gacha in tft is just cosmetic so it's not as much tempting as for exemple a broken character in a gacha game.
Why is Riot making their devs do damage control for them? August and Mort every other day talk about this. Just stream the game and make your bag, man. He also plays idiot and thinks people are mad at capsules, and doesn't mention the $300 Sanctum skins. In the same breath he says he doesn't think things should cost as much as a console... Then the framing of comparing chance in skins to chance mechanics as a GAME MECHANIC (insinuating that if you're okay with one you should be okay with the other). This is genuinely insidious.
They aren't making them do damage control, Mort has had this opinion since the first few Chibis in TFT It's one I don't personally agree with, but he's had it for a long time and isn't a newer thing with the current Riot issues
He’s not doing damage control, rather the opposite. His omission of the $300 sanctum skins in this example speaks volumes. He’s talking about how the LoL chest system he helped design was healthy, and I think most players agree. That’s why they’re so mad Riot is pushing it aside.
"He also plays idiot and thinks people are mad at capsules, and doesn't mention the $300 Sanctum skins. In the same breath he says he doesn't think things should cost as much as a console..." This is such a dumb argument. We can literally infer what his opinion is on everything Riot releases based on what he's already stated in this clip lmao. He is clearly using capsules as the basis for what he thinks is "good gacha". And like you literally JUST pointed out, he already said that he doesn't agree with things costing as much as video game consoles which would automatically mean he disagrees with the idea of something like the $500 Ahri skin. We can infer that he's likely okay with something like Sanctum skins though because you're getting "more value" than the price you originally bought a pull on the banner for, but he might not agree with how expensive it is because he literally says he thinks things are getting too expensive. "Then the framing of comparing chance in skins to chance mechanics as a GAME MECHANIC (insinuating that if you're okay with one you should be okay with the other). This is genuinely insidious." He hadn't insinuated that at all, you're just reaching. He literally says verbatim "TFT is a game that is based around chance, in-game and out-of-game...", which is literally him differentiating the two.
@@oogabooga8618 He reveals his opinion on Gun Control. That is, completely fine unless they're in the hands of the wrong people. That is the same argument used to defend gambling and other addiction vectors. The system is unaccountable, and the victims are just bad people. How is that not a defense of the Sanctum? Also, he talks about how he doesn't think chance mechanics are uncompetitive as a response to a viewer question, bridges that into how chance can make a game more fun and skill based, and then tries to connect that to sanewash gambling monetization mechanics. I can't take this clip in good faith. If Mortdog is only saying he likes capsules and chests, why is he also talking about gun control? Why is he saying "should we ban all carnival games?" if he's not trying to make false equivalences and mislead?
@@1982pokemon I never said he wasn't defending the Sanctum. I quite literally said that he likely is okay with something like the Sanctum, but probably wouldn't agree with how expensive it is based on what he said in this clip. He doesn't connect the two things at all. He hardly even touches on game-related chance mechanics at all in this clip. You are focusing on a select few statements to discredit his entire argument as if his entire argument hinges on those couple of statements. The gun control thing was an analogy. He was trying to illustrate that just because something is taken advantage of and used in bad ways does not necessarily make the thing inherently bad, which is exactly what the common argument about gacha is. You often hear people saying all gacha is bad, or gacha is just an inherently bad thing, when that isn't actually true. Also, where is the false equivalence? Where is he trying to mislead? You haven't demonstrated that that's what he's doing whatsoever.
I actually like this take. I agree a certain amount of randomness and gambling is fun. But cosmetics are ridiculous when you look at the quality and asking price for them. Riot is heading in the extreme for gacha which is one reason I don't spend much on the game anymore.
League gacha is also so much worse because they expect you to buy it 100% with real money while handing out close to 0 free currency. So if you see anyone with a high rarity gacha item in lol you can tell they put in 200$ for that at least.
I was a poor boy and cant afford to buy cool skins. Kept telling myself that skins dont make me play better, nor it will make me win the game to make me feel better. I can afford skins now, but i can proudly say im not gonna change that mindset. Plus i get to shit on people that's all skins but 0 skill.
but who decides how much things cost? 1 skin costs 3 dollars? or is it 1.5 dollars? 1 loot orb costs 3 dollars, but gives you 2 random 3-dollar skins? or is it just a trick to make you think you get a bargain? gambling is gambling
League's gacha systems are so insanely out of touch with modern gacha games. Everyone except whales and reckless spenders are so priced out of it that they wont even bother. They really are just skins with a thinly hidden 200$ price tag. League bought really hard into the "you should be able to buy a skin for any amount of money". 5$,10,15,20,25....200,300,500 etc and if you think its ridiculous they hit you with the "maybe its not for you" well who is it for? Rich people and people with poor self control? Probably mostly the latter.
I mean, I feel it's just black and white. You have randomness in games to increase variance and leave the player wanting to play more, and randomness that locks the player from experiencing certain parts of the game they may want to, unless they pay.
I mean it's not that black and white, sure chance isn't great and it's specially worse when it can be predatory to children, but there's a few levels to this, if it's just cosmetics in a f2p game, whatever, if it's ACTUAL content then it usually has some way for the f2p playerbase to obtain that thing even if slow, ofc other systems would be better but all things considered there's a difference between a Hoyo gacha and a league gacha, just like game passes having currency to be able to grind or not yk
when i was buying yugioh cards as a kid it was exciting to guess what cards i will get and how i can incorporate them into my deck. that was honestly most of the fun. yes the price could have been lower ,but whatever... without this randomness and everything being figured out in form of tierlists i lost interest very fast when i was playing LoR for example. not sure if this translates well into english, but there is a saying:" anticipation is the greatest joy". which from experience is very true. i am excited to get new stuff, especially when i dont know what it is or if i will even get it. but once i have it i realise its not that fun anymore.
My issue with RNG mechanics is more so in game, felt like sometimes i was losing games based on whether or not i lucked out with 6 costs/emblem augs in this set which is kinda frustrating
That's how I felt about Hearthstone and which is why it stopped, where the deck mattered much less than how each individual card rolled in game for its mechanics.
I think League orbs are NOT bad its fine you get your value but random, in TFT however these treasure tokens you only get garbage 99% of the time. Getting realm crystals are not worth the prize imo At least you can buy some arena skins but damn
Idgaf about those loot boxes. If people want to spend 100s of dollars on some cringe lolli characters, have fun. The only exeption is, please, for the love of god, give me the option to disable those cringe cut scenes. If the person wants to see them fine, but i dont have to be forced to?! But otherwise, gacha as much as you want, its your problem.
@@baobblak8695 yes it does. its not just 10 seconds. Its 10 seconds across 100s of games each season and since these days like 80% of players use them its totally unbearable. On top of that, giving the option to disable them doesnt hurt anybody. Not giving the option hurts the people who dont want to see them. Pretty much a no brainer...
funny how some players hate on the skin gacha. lol skin gacha is just purely cosmetic and optional while gacha games like genshin is where you need to gamble for game content(characters,weapons,etc.) and is mandatory to win and/or enjoy the game. I understand the price of surely getting the skin is absurd but still you don't need it to enjoy the game.
You can very easily play genshin without ever spending money or spending like 5$ per month to get a lot of extra gacha resources. Thats because the game has to hand out free currency to keep its audience. Gacha does not function if you are expected to pay full price. You are meant to get 70% of the way to you desired item and then spend 50$ to secure it and see it as worth it despite you still having overpaid. In leagues gacha you will always have to pay the full price so all it really is is price obfuscation to bait idiots. Everyone with a calculator can see the true price and knows you gotta pay all of it unless you are really lucky.
@@luminous3558 I know you can f2p genshin and other gacha games but you will never get 100% of the content and play/upgrade/maximize every character you want. They hand out free currency so you get more addicted to gacha and when you ran out of it, tempts you to start spending on the game. Imho genshin gacha and lol skin gacha gives the same trash and almost has the same rates. $1-300 up to 180 pulls genshin character/$1000 tectone's spear of huma vs $1-250 jinx cosmetic, pick your poison. I'd prefer having cosmetic gacha to fund my game than paywalling the character I want to play.
So it’s gambling with few advance steps? Game supposed to be totally on skills and not chance or lucky. Otherwise, how you can quantify the least and good players? This game always a flaw from the core. That’s why the chinese company owns it because it’s gambling.
I love collecting things in games, but not when I’m priced out. I have pax tf, rusty blitz and other limited skins, but this is the first time I’m skipping.
the thing is, he's an hipocritical, this systems make you addict in some mesure, when someone put money on tft and dont want a product, just want a chance, is when the adiction start, people dont get that this systema are made to make you feel great for the experience and rush of gambling, not the product, so this system is great for people like him cause make him easy to make a bad product, people still get cause they're at some point addicts, They don't realize, chance in game is very very diferent than chance in a product to sell, that's why games with a chance are not ban, meanwhile gambling with money is very forbiden
what are you skipping?
@@namifianamifia9812 when someone put money on tft and dont want a product, just want a chance
sounds like a them problem. imagine spending money on skins in a game just cause u want to see what skin you land on and dont want to use the skins LOL. why don t you help them out and go make them a programme that rolls league chests for free?
@@mysticflow467 I could have worded it better; I’m skipping the collection of gacha skins (and those ahri skins) as a whole. They’re the first limited skins that I do not have on my account.
So many flaws with this argument.
First, gacha/loot boxes in games is NOT the same as buying Pokemon cards, or whatever collectable cards are on the market. They are inherently different. Physical cards carry value, no matter how low that value may be, and you have 100% ownership of it once you get it. Gacha crap in games is NOT owned by the buyer at any point. If the game shuts down, your account gets banned, whatever, you LOSE all that value. This is something that will 100% not happen with physical products, therefore they are fundamentally different and not the same. Furthermore, because you do not actually own it, therefore unable to resell it, loot box crap in games have no value at all, while physical collectables ALWAYS have a value. Even if you were able to trade it in game and get "value" out of it, it still doesn't have value, because you're getting in-game currency, which is like Monopoly money, i.e. no value.
Two, and Dog using guns as an analogy is just so typical of Americans, and really shows the problem with gacha/loot boxes. "A tool in the wrong hands is bad," yes, and what is the point of the tool? Guns were designed to kill, that is the primary purpose, and that's why it's bad, because it gives people the option to harm others, even if it's not in the wrong hands, the intent of the tool was bad to begin with. I agree gacha is the exact same. The primary purpose is of predatory nature directed against children whom know no better than to throw money on loot box crap that have no value. The intent was bad to begin with. It's a bad tool, and not just because it's in the wrong hands. The fact that Dog doesn't find a tool designed with a predatory nature towards children REALLY shows the kind of person he is.
Honestly, I hope more countries come round to banning loot box crap, and at a larger scale, so these predatory practises cease to exist.
Thank you for this reply. I love mort as a developer so much and he is great, but his gun comparison really rubbed me the wrong way, and you perfectly explained why.
This, also a point that is very important is that you don't purchase the lootboxes (or w/e) directly with real money: you have to first buy a virtual currency that you use to get the items, which creates a level of separation. This makes people less aware of how much they're actually spending, which is extremely predatory.
In tft case you have to go through 2 conversions: real money -> RP -> tokens
Meanwhile if I want to buy a pokemon card pack I buy it directly with money and I know how much it costs without having to go through multiple conversions
"First, gacha/loot boxes in games is NOT the same as buying Pokemon cards, or whatever collectable cards are on the market. They are inherently different. Physical cards carry value, no matter how low that value may be, and you have 100% ownership of it once you get it. Gacha crap in games is NOT owned by the buyer at any point. If the game shuts down, your account gets banned, whatever, you LOSE all that value."
I agree that collectibles are fundamentally different than skins on a video game, but I disagree on why. The part I agree with is that you don't fully own the skin or whatever thing you get from the gacha (whereas with collectibles you do). I disagree that collectibles have "value". The idea that any item period has value is already a point of contention.
Collectibles are only worth as much as anyone else is willing to pay for it. If I happen to get a super rare, 1-of-1 Pokemon card that no one else has, then obviously that card would be in-demand. Meaning it's monetary value would probably shoot up incredibly high. But the issue with that is the card is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it. Interest in collecting Pokemon cards could literally die out tomorrow and the card would be worth exactly $0.00. This isn't even an issue exclusive to collectibles. You see this all the time with huge companies that get billion dollar valuations, but are only actually bringing in a fraction of that in as profit. The company's value is perceived to be much higher than it's currently worth (because of whatever various factors), but the company could go bankrupt tomorrow and lose all of its value. What this means is that "value" is something that each individual decides. It's not something that is actually real. YOU are the person that decides what something is worth.
Edit: Forgot to address the second point:
"Guns were designed to kill, that is the primary purpose, and that's why it's bad, because it gives people the option to harm others, even if it's not in the wrong hands, the intent of the tool was bad to begin with."
This is just untrue in multiple ways. A gun's primary purpose being to kill doesn't mean that it is inherently bad. Let's say I own a gun legally, and someone is invading my home and shooting at me. Would it be wrong for me to defend myself by shooting back? Should I just let him kill me? This is exactly why a gun is just an object, nothing more nothing less. It doesn't have an inherent good or evil attached to it. It's a tool for a purpose carried out by the person behind the trigger. It's neither good nor evil. The intent of the creation doesn't matter. There are countless things that are created and used in a way that wasn't originally intended. The only thing that matters at the end of the day is HOW we use the tool.
@@thomasgromek3540 If you pay more attention you will realize he's a PR trained populist who constantly talks in ways that insult the intelligence just because the aim is to please and appease the masses by any means necessary.
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I know what you mean when you say something is only worth any value because of an agreement to perceive that. However, that's why I said a physical collectable is worth value, not money, because I understand that it may not be worth any more, but that is not the same as not having value. Having value means, regardless of its money worth, it is worth "something" even if you use that Pokemon card no one wants as a coaster, it is still worth that, and you can give that to someone else for the same purpose, or a different purpose, and it has value because it "does" something and there is ownership to it.
Definitely disagree on the guns point, and it's always heard from Americans. "I need it to defend myself." This is an inherent flaw for defending the possession of guns. First of all, if it wasn't legal to own a gun, which makes it harder to get access to one by default, your "home invaders" won't have a gun to start with, so you don't need a gun to defend yourself. "I need it because they have it" is a flawed argument in itself. And there is good and evil attached to it. Some items may not be used for their intended purposes, but guns are. It doesn't matter if you are "defending" yourself, because the purpose of a gun is to do harm, and if you use it to defend yourself, you are still doing harm to another with it. To say, "some things have been used differently" for something that is only used for their primary purpose is a straw man fallacy. No one is buying a gun to be used as a door stop, the intent of it is to do harm, and that is evil unless you want to tell me doing harm (as a whole, not specific circumstances) is not evil. Back to the idea of gacha and loot boxes, they're the exact same, there is no other purpose other than its predatory nature, and that makes it evil.
The issue with gacha is that they are predatory, they make you lose the value of money and make you spend way more than you would want to.
If you have infinite money then sure, but too many people spend money they regret later.
That said gacha in tft is just cosmetic so it's not as much tempting as for exemple a broken character in a gacha game.
Why is Riot making their devs do damage control for them? August and Mort every other day talk about this. Just stream the game and make your bag, man.
He also plays idiot and thinks people are mad at capsules, and doesn't mention the $300 Sanctum skins. In the same breath he says he doesn't think things should cost as much as a console...
Then the framing of comparing chance in skins to chance mechanics as a GAME MECHANIC (insinuating that if you're okay with one you should be okay with the other). This is genuinely insidious.
They aren't making them do damage control, Mort has had this opinion since the first few Chibis in TFT
It's one I don't personally agree with, but he's had it for a long time and isn't a newer thing with the current Riot issues
He’s not doing damage control, rather the opposite. His omission of the $300 sanctum skins in this example speaks volumes.
He’s talking about how the LoL chest system he helped design was healthy, and I think most players agree. That’s why they’re so mad Riot is pushing it aside.
"He also plays idiot and thinks people are mad at capsules, and doesn't mention the $300 Sanctum skins. In the same breath he says he doesn't think things should cost as much as a console..."
This is such a dumb argument. We can literally infer what his opinion is on everything Riot releases based on what he's already stated in this clip lmao. He is clearly using capsules as the basis for what he thinks is "good gacha". And like you literally JUST pointed out, he already said that he doesn't agree with things costing as much as video game consoles which would automatically mean he disagrees with the idea of something like the $500 Ahri skin. We can infer that he's likely okay with something like Sanctum skins though because you're getting "more value" than the price you originally bought a pull on the banner for, but he might not agree with how expensive it is because he literally says he thinks things are getting too expensive.
"Then the framing of comparing chance in skins to chance mechanics as a GAME MECHANIC (insinuating that if you're okay with one you should be okay with the other). This is genuinely insidious."
He hadn't insinuated that at all, you're just reaching. He literally says verbatim "TFT is a game that is based around chance, in-game and out-of-game...", which is literally him differentiating the two.
@@oogabooga8618 He reveals his opinion on Gun Control. That is, completely fine unless they're in the hands of the wrong people. That is the same argument used to defend gambling and other addiction vectors. The system is unaccountable, and the victims are just bad people. How is that not a defense of the Sanctum?
Also, he talks about how he doesn't think chance mechanics are uncompetitive as a response to a viewer question, bridges that into how chance can make a game more fun and skill based, and then tries to connect that to sanewash gambling monetization mechanics.
I can't take this clip in good faith. If Mortdog is only saying he likes capsules and chests, why is he also talking about gun control? Why is he saying "should we ban all carnival games?" if he's not trying to make false equivalences and mislead?
@@1982pokemon I never said he wasn't defending the Sanctum. I quite literally said that he likely is okay with something like the Sanctum, but probably wouldn't agree with how expensive it is based on what he said in this clip.
He doesn't connect the two things at all. He hardly even touches on game-related chance mechanics at all in this clip. You are focusing on a select few statements to discredit his entire argument as if his entire argument hinges on those couple of statements.
The gun control thing was an analogy. He was trying to illustrate that just because something is taken advantage of and used in bad ways does not necessarily make the thing inherently bad, which is exactly what the common argument about gacha is. You often hear people saying all gacha is bad, or gacha is just an inherently bad thing, when that isn't actually true. Also, where is the false equivalence? Where is he trying to mislead? You haven't demonstrated that that's what he's doing whatsoever.
I actually like this take. I agree a certain amount of randomness and gambling is fun. But cosmetics are ridiculous when you look at the quality and asking price for them. Riot is heading in the extreme for gacha which is one reason I don't spend much on the game anymore.
The only thing flawed about the orb/chest mechanic is that I got 12 keys and have 0 ways to use them unless i spend money now in 2025
Funny how he mentions Genshin impact when league added genshin type gacha with the jinx skin and sett skin xD
League gacha is also so much worse because they expect you to buy it 100% with real money while handing out close to 0 free currency.
So if you see anyone with a high rarity gacha item in lol you can tell they put in 200$ for that at least.
3:53 beutifull example. Many parents dont even know how the game their kids are playing works because they dont care enough.
NO MY DAUGHTER STEAL MY CREDIT CARD AND SPEND ON CHIBI IS TOTALLY EVIL MORTDOG'S FAULT. It's never because of my bad parenting 😊😊
I was a poor boy and cant afford to buy cool skins. Kept telling myself that skins dont make me play better, nor it will make me win the game to make me feel better. I can afford skins now, but i can proudly say im not gonna change that mindset.
Plus i get to shit on people that's all skins but 0 skill.
but who decides how much things cost?
1 skin costs 3 dollars? or is it 1.5 dollars?
1 loot orb costs 3 dollars, but gives you 2 random 3-dollar skins? or is it just a trick to make you think you get a bargain?
gambling is gambling
League's gacha systems are so insanely out of touch with modern gacha games.
Everyone except whales and reckless spenders are so priced out of it that they wont even bother.
They really are just skins with a thinly hidden 200$ price tag.
League bought really hard into the "you should be able to buy a skin for any amount of money".
5$,10,15,20,25....200,300,500 etc and if you think its ridiculous they hit you with the "maybe its not for you" well who is it for? Rich people and people with poor self control? Probably mostly the latter.
I mean, I feel it's just black and white. You have randomness in games to increase variance and leave the player wanting to play more, and randomness that locks the player from experiencing certain parts of the game they may want to, unless they pay.
I mean it's not that black and white, sure chance isn't great and it's specially worse when it can be predatory to children, but there's a few levels to this, if it's just cosmetics in a f2p game, whatever, if it's ACTUAL content then it usually has some way for the f2p playerbase to obtain that thing even if slow, ofc other systems would be better but all things considered there's a difference between a Hoyo gacha and a league gacha, just like game passes having currency to be able to grind or not yk
when i was buying yugioh cards as a kid it was exciting to guess what cards i will get and how i can incorporate them into my deck. that was honestly most of the fun. yes the price could have been lower ,but whatever...
without this randomness and everything being figured out in form of tierlists i lost interest very fast when i was playing LoR for example.
not sure if this translates well into english, but there is a saying:" anticipation is the greatest joy". which from experience is very true. i am excited to get new stuff, especially when i dont know what it is or if i will even get it. but once i have it i realise its not that fun anymore.
My issue with RNG mechanics is more so in game, felt like sometimes i was losing games based on whether or not i lucked out with 6 costs/emblem augs in this set which is kinda frustrating
That's how I felt about Hearthstone and which is why it stopped, where the deck mattered much less than how each individual card rolled in game for its mechanics.
I think League orbs are NOT bad its fine you get your value but random, in TFT however these treasure tokens you only get garbage 99% of the time. Getting realm crystals are not worth the prize imo
At least you can buy some arena skins but damn
Holy
These garbage takes from employees makes sense when you see the $500 skin they released
Idgaf about those loot boxes. If people want to spend 100s of dollars on some cringe lolli characters, have fun. The only exeption is, please, for the love of god, give me the option to disable those cringe cut scenes. If the person wants to see them fine, but i dont have to be forced to?! But otherwise, gacha as much as you want, its your problem.
spending 10 seconds is hurting u that much? lol
@@baobblak8695 yes it does. its not just 10 seconds. Its 10 seconds across 100s of games each season and since these days like 80% of players use them its totally unbearable. On top of that, giving the option to disable them doesnt hurt anybody. Not giving the option hurts the people who dont want to see them. Pretty much a no brainer...
@getoutofmylobby4347 okay mr "my time is important"
Getting a skin you don't want isn't really getting value though, even if it's "worth" more than what you paid.
We are so lucky to have you mort. Well said.
might get hate for this, but this is bars by mort
funny how some players hate on the skin gacha. lol skin gacha is just purely cosmetic and optional while gacha games like genshin is where you need to gamble for game content(characters,weapons,etc.) and is mandatory to win and/or enjoy the game.
I understand the price of surely getting the skin is absurd but still you don't need it to enjoy the game.
You can very easily play genshin without ever spending money or spending like 5$ per month to get a lot of extra gacha resources. Thats because the game has to hand out free currency to keep its audience.
Gacha does not function if you are expected to pay full price.
You are meant to get 70% of the way to you desired item and then spend 50$ to secure it and see it as worth it despite you still having overpaid.
In leagues gacha you will always have to pay the full price so all it really is is price obfuscation to bait idiots. Everyone with a calculator can see the true price and knows you gotta pay all of it unless you are really lucky.
@@luminous3558 I know you can f2p genshin and other gacha games but you will never get 100% of the content and play/upgrade/maximize every character you want. They hand out free currency so you get more addicted to gacha and when you ran out of it, tempts you to start spending on the game.
Imho genshin gacha and lol skin gacha gives the same trash and almost has the same rates. $1-300 up to 180 pulls genshin character/$1000 tectone's spear of huma vs $1-250 jinx cosmetic, pick your poison. I'd prefer having cosmetic gacha to fund my game than paywalling the character I want to play.
So it’s gambling with few advance steps? Game supposed to be totally on skills and not chance or lucky. Otherwise, how you can quantify the least and good players?
This game always a flaw from the core. That’s why the chinese company owns it because it’s gambling.
If you want to play a game totally based on skill just play chess, my guy. Btw, you will still have to gamble to play as white in chess though.
TFT having RNG isn't why you're awful at the game.
then how come all the TFT pros always stay pros? is it because the are 100% lucky all the time?
Gacha shill
I'm not surprised that he's defending it cause he works for riot but jfc it's such an out of touch take