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- Pokemon is a pretty diverse game, and one thing that keeps the game interesting is the many different moves or attacks. With over 900 different moves as of now, there are obviously some that have risen to the top and have become widely used. However, not all Pokemon moves are equal, with some clearly being made to use during certain stages of the game. However, there are some moves that have just become forgotten or irrelevant. In this video, I wanted to share some old Pokemon moves that have been lost in time, as well as some cool facts about some moves that I found interesting.
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Yeah, I really just called Will-o-wisp a ghost type move :)
It's not a Woop video without an obvious error
In all fairness, it could definitely be either. Real life myths of will o' the wisps are about ghostly flames
i honestly didnt notice until u mentioned it haha
I guess to be fair alot of the Pokemon that learn the move naturally through level up are usually Ghost types. For the longest time it felt like Vulpix was the only non-Ghost to learn it naturally
exactly, not a woop vid without errors ;)
i was just about to comment it i was so confused i literally looked up willo-o-wisp gen 1 to see if it was ghost in gen one but it was introduced in gen 3 which i actually never knew i thought it was gen 2 so i got confused and made me think is was ghost in gen 1 lol
One of my favorite terrible Gen 1 moves that you hardly ever see is Razor Wind. 80 base power Normal-type move that takes two turns to use.
And it had imperfect accuracy in Gen 1.
And they kept giving it to Pokemon that aren't Sneasel *even though Sneasel is based on the same thing Razor Wind is based on!* What the hell, GameFreak!?
Gen 1 had some realy weird and rare Moves.
Does anyone ever saw or used Sky Attack? Stakkato, or Kinesis?
Zap Canon from gen 2 had great Visuals, but was pretty much just Porygons Move.
@@Sunaki1000 Stakkato?
I remember Sky Attack because of its Japanese name - *God Bird.* (and also becausr I used to watch AuraGuardian a lot and he spent a lot of time rambling about how Rayquaza can't learn the move).
Zap Cannon is cool, but pretty much requires you to use Lock On. Cool, but impractical.
@@robertlupa8273 Yeah it has a 100% Para Rate but thats just not that good if you have to tank one, or two Moves first.
Stakkato was Barrage sorry.
@@Sunaki1000 Sky Attack always sucked for being a two-turn move, but it's final death knell was when Brave Bird was introduced.
I miss Aurora Beam. It had a cool name and a cool animation, but by the time you can catch the Pokémon who learn it, or they reach the level where they learn it, you usually already have access to Ice Beam. It's never used in competitive either.
Hell yeah, good call! That move was cool and I almost forgot all about it despite liking it a lot
I used to love Aurora Beam's sound effect
Sickest audio and animation in gen 3 in my opinion. Still useful on vaporeon on certain games because it's the only ice move learned via level up
Signal Beam had a cool sound effect too and animation too.
@@Emily-cw7tj yeah. I love the different backgrounds some attack moves had in gen 3
To make it worse for rock types, in gen 1 Rock throw had 65 percent accuracy. This was enjoyable you should definitely do more of these
Yeah, rock throw was terrible in gen 1. Basically the only usable move was rock slide (still better than dragon at least)
Bug types also had it rough especially with Pinsir and Scyther. Pinsir has an incredible base 125 Patk stat. Scyther has a decent 110 Patk stat and base 105 Speed. In generation 1, they learned no Bug moves at all!
At least rock types were in general at a decent spot. And they would have been even better if the fossils could actually learn Rock Slide. They may have had one move but it was a damn good one, dragons, bugs and fighters can't claim the same
At least from the design standpoint it had an obvious reason, being to serve as Brock's pokemons moves
...which would be valid except I don't think Brock's Pokemon even use Rock Throw?
Triple Kick isn't even the most obscure kick move, in my opinion. I think I'd give Rolling Kick that distinction.
Isn't that the signature move for Hitmontop that it couldn't ever learn in gen 2 because it learns it at like level 5 when you can only ever have it 20+?
@@hammerstix5791Pokemon Stadium 2's move relearner can teach it to it, fwiw.
In gen 1, there's a move Gamefreak felt was so powerful that they nerfed it so badly into the ground that its secondary effect's chance was reduced by more than triple, yet despite being such a dangerous move in Gamefreak's eyes, hardly anyone remembers the move.
I'm talking about Constrict. A 10 base power move with a small 33% chance to reduce speed by 1 stage. It was apparantly so broken that in gen 2 onwards, its secondary effect was nerfed to a 10% chance.
It was too powerful. They had to nerf it or Shuckle would have completely dominated Ubers.
I was waiting for him to talk about constrict the entire video... It's so forgotten it was left off the list of forgotten moves.
in gen 2 they moved away from "33%" as an effect trigger rate in general
it was just a casualty of shifting design
I came to the comment section to mention this move.
It was too powerful in gen 1, because a Pokemon that could learn Constrict, could also likely learn Wrap or Bind. And if you lower a Pokemon's speed enough that you get to move first, and you connect with a binding move every turn, the opponent literally can't do a thing to stop you. Or you can't stop them, if you get hit with the combo.
Fire Spin is a bit weird since the anime made it out to be way more powerful than it was ingame.
It was entirely because in-game, if you were able to get something in that fire spin, you were able to trap it, preventing the target from escaping or attacking. It was probably Flareon's best move by level up (back when its special stat was only rivaled by Moltress for fire-type Pokemon).
@@CasualVideoGamerit's funny because, fire spin in the anime almost never did trap pokemon in a fire spin instead it was used like some kind of flamethrower but stronger, it also seemed to spin in itself
As it is wont to do
Dragon Rage...
Fire Spin may be weak, but greatly benefits with the item Grip Claw........
To a lot of us who played Gens 1 and 2, the older moves are incredibly well known because the AI would use them constantly. A couple of interesting tidbits though: partial-trapping moves actually have a use in Gen 2 due to the generally slower meta and Seaking learning Waterfall allowed you to trade back Pokemon with it to Gen 1.
Grudge is much more prominent in the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games, mainly due to grudge traps, which summon a bunch of pokemon next to you that have the grudge effect permanently. PP management is much more important in these games, so these grudge traps are actually a significant threat.
You brought back bad memories. The level of frustration from trying to clear a hard dungeon while trying to conserve pp made me rage quit so many times.
This and the glue trap I hated the most.
elixir
@@somerandomguy-3102 obviously that would help, but you might not always have any to spare. Even with the best PP management I could reasonably pull off, as well as stockpiling ever max elixir I could find, my first completed Destiny Tower run I ran out of PP and max elixirs with about 20 floors to go.
Mystery Dungeon is a whole other can of worms when it comes to moves. I remember how insanely busted moves like Smokescreen, Bullet Seed, and Silver Wind became with the different gameplay mechanics of PMD.
if your Pokemon has a Focus Sash or Focus Band and the opponent attacks first using a move that will KO you, use Grudge, then it will deplete the next move that KOs you, though greatly preferred if the opponent has a move that finishes you off with a 1+ priority move like Quick Attack or Aqua Jet.......
Barrage is not that forgotten if you played Gen 1 and the League a lot, as your Rival Champion would use that move quite a lot, unless he picked Bulbasaur.
i know, i didnt experience this since i picked bulbasaur but i feel a lot of people would have picked charmander and squirtle anhwah
@@H3XM4N1AC You're making stuff up for whatever reason. If you picked Bulbasaur, you would've experienced it, because then your Rival would've picked Charmander and thus would have an Exeggcute/Exeggutor using Barrage
@@NurioMarayana idk why i said that, i think i misread what the guy said or just misremembered, sorry about that
I gave a G1 Cubone the move Submission, then moved it to Ultra moon where I then let it learn double edge, then evolved it into Alolan Marowak so it could learn fire blitz. Since it was a G1 Cubone, it had its Hidden ability which did not let it take any recoil damage.
Wow this is the best example of taking advantage of transferring to new games that I have ever seen
How do you transfer from gen 1 and how does that mean it has a hidden ability
@@lukaskuipers7791 you get it from the from the virtual console version on the 3DS. When you transfer any G1 Pokémon into Bank and then put them in a newer game, they all come in with their HA.
@@lukaskuipers77913ds virtual console games, transfer w pokemon bank
@@lukaskuipers7791 I think you were able to transfer pokemon from the gen 1 games that were in the 3ds eshop by putting them into the pokebank or something. I don't think you can do it with an actual gen 1 game cartridge.
The event moves from gen 6 are pretty relevant here too I think; happy hour, hold hands, celebrate and hold back are all moves that have been exclusively obtainable through event distributions
Celebrate saw some decent play in Gen 7 tho
Happy Hour, Hold Hands, Celebrate, and Splash was my Smeargle set in 1v1.
Lost to everything _except_ Choice Scarf Ditto.
every single OU player from that time knows these moves
They had some use with Z-Moves, but they were still fairly niche, so i think its fair to call them forgettable
I had Happy Hour on my event Munchlax in Gen 7. It has a fun animation if nothing else. It basically allows you to get increased amounts of money from trainers. AND it can be stacked with the Amulet Coin, Luck Incense, or Prize Money O-Powers. So an easy way to make money in game if you can get it.
The first gen 1 forgotten move that came to mind was slam, it's name is so similar to body slam that is easy to just forget it exists
I remember it exclusively because in firered/leaf green, I would always get a pikachu in the forest and that was his best move for a while.
@@ActualBreck same!
for me it was Sonic Boom (also the fact it has been removed since gen 8 has been disappointing)
I always get it confused with stomp for some reason. The only experience I have of Slam was Dratini/Dragonair before it got any good moves
@@lyrimetacurl0 is it because Sonic Boom only deals 20 HP damage?
The champion's Alakazam in Yellow uses Kinesis annoyingly often. Can really cause pain for some solo runs
That move is such bullshit 😂
I've known about Triple Kick since I was a child by pure coincidence. The Daycare man that gives you an egg with a baby pokémon gave me a Tyrogue on my first playthrough on Crystal and by pure luck it evolved into a Hitmontop, something kinda rare if you're not aiming for it.
There’s something about that egg, I wanted to SR for a shiny since odds are 1% I think, forgot to and ended up realizing my Magby was shiny anyway
@@solgaleo3533it's a 1/8 chance which is a 12,5%.
Way higher than a 1%
Okay but why does pheramosa learn it?
in Gen 4, Triple Kick is benefitted by the ability Technician
@@kennethaninon6913Technician is the underdog buffer ability
I'm surprised razor wind didn't make the list, it was a two turn move like solar beam, sky attack, and skull bash, but razor wind was a normal type attack that had 80 BP and 75 accuracy.
It was around since gen 1 but it was never relevant even back then being entirely outclassed by skull bash, which itself was easily forgettable.
Even after other normal type gen 1 moves gained a more appropriate typing (karate chop, bite), Razor Wind remained a normal type attack.
There's also mist ball and luster purge, the signature moves of Latias and Latios respectively; these two moves were strictly worse than Psychic which these pokemon already know from the moment you can catch them in the gen 3 games.
Luster Purge and Mist Ball so strange. They need to have a 50% or higher chance of secondary effect to even consider using it over Psychic!
@@bryanfuerst3277 indeed, since Psychic only has a 10% chance of reducing the opponent's Special Defense stat........
It not being mentioned in a list of forgotten moves, making it the most forgettable move in Pokemon history
@@AndrusPr8 what ,move?
@@kennethaninon6913 Razor Wind, the topic of this commentary chain
One of my favorite moves that I've practically never seen used or discussed is Acid Armor. I know it's just Barrier for a few select Poison-types (and Vaporeon), but it has a very cool name & animation. Melting into a puddle to boost your defenses is just sick, I'll always use it any chance I get.
Is Barrier stackable? I know Acid Armor as a standard stat boost move can take you up to +6
@@RoninCatholic Yeah, you can stack Barrier
Goodra can learn it as well in both of its forms, and despite this Hisuian Goodra’s signature move, shelter, has the exact same effect
Me and my brother know acid armor very well, since I used it with my Vaporeon and Goodra to turn them into unkillable walls he couldn't get past. He still has Acid Armor ptsd, he HATES the move.
@@solgaleo3533 should've just raised defense by 3 and lowered attack and special attack by 1. There game freak, a freebie
Sabrina used to spam Kinesis back in Gen 1 that’s how I knew about it.
Sounds like a great first impression
@@PokemonWoop I remember the move always failing so I never actually knew what it did
Lick was also another great ghost move lol
Climbing waterfalls is Seaking's most notable feature!
Which was really confusing to me as a child starting with Gen II. Seemed to me that climbing waterfalls was a common ability...
That explains why you find just goldeen and seaking in tohjo falls.
Coz you know, climbing waterfalls.
It's weird that gen 1 had two different carp associated with the legend of a carp climbing a waterfall, but the one who actually manages to do so and is rewarded by evolving into a (not) dragon DOESN'T learn Waterfall.
@@critormiss6084 lol I never noticed that bit. God bless Gamefreak
especially that you don't need the HM Waterfall to a Goldeen or Seaking since they can learn it by level..........
although Gen 4 introduced Waterfall's additional effect of flinching foes......
@@kennethaninon6913 Their naturally learning it at least makes it seem somewhat more special to the line. Though Gen 7 ended that uniqueness. And also finally gave Gyrados the move. And in Gen 9, Gyrados is the only one to learn by level up, finally addressing @critormiss6084 's point
I actually have Fire Spin used on one of my favorite pokemon. My Ribbon Master Altaria has what I call the "Bieber Altaria" set. With Roost, Protect, Fire Spin and Perish Song, the idea is you use Fire Spin to trap the opponent and stop it from switching out, Perish Song to put it on a timer, Protect and Roost to keep the Altaria alive. Then once it's the final turn, you get to switch out, and they don't. Voila! Cheese to the max.
Omg that's so smart!
Another move I feel like was pretty forgotten that was in Gen 1 was Barrier, as well as Comet Punch and Spike Cannon.
I still see tentacool line use barrier regularly ingame even to atleast x and y where i've played to, obscure but sometimes you'll see it in a decently common mon.
@@yourdemiseishereyea but when people say that a move was forgotten is because almost no new pokemon lear those moves
I feel like the only reason people remember Barrier is because Lance's Dragonite illegaly has it in RBG.
Comet Punch gets remembered for me at least because it is why Meteor Mash wound up with the name it was (Comet Punch in Gen 1 was originally Consecutive Punch but had to be shortened for character limits, Meteor Mash was Comet Punch but had to be renamed since the name had been used)
Spike Cannon really sounds like it should have been recon to be a steel-type move.
Funny thing about submission in Gen 1 is that machamp doesn’t even use submission, but instead runs LOW KICK which in Gen 1 is a 50 power attack with a chance to flinch. The best niche machamp has in rby (outside of being a noob trap) is as a late game bully that wears down paralyzed teams with low kick while fishing for flinches
Sure lots of people are saying Razor Wind and Rolling Kick…
But does anyone remember Beat Up? 😂
I think it’s a dark type, 20BP move introduced in gen 2 that actually the cool feature of being a multi-hit move depending on how many Pokémon you had in your party.
They’d all come out and damage the opponent I think
That move actually has competitive use, especially early gen 8 doubles.
It paired well with a teammate who has the ability “justified”, where they get a one-stage attack boost every time they are hit by certain types of moves, including dark types. Since it would hit 4 times, that was 4 stages increased attack when you attack into your teammate. All at the cost of 4 hp if you train up stats well.
Although you’re absolutely right in that it’s totally forgettable before that ability was added. Only ever a funny gimmick
@@aerowalker3 wow I actually had no idea, that’s a really cool strategy. Thanks for sharing!
It's still used in doubles to this day, mostly w annihilape + maushold/ whimsicott to get that juicy base 250 or whatever it is after 4 hits rage fist
plus maushold gets friend guard to make ape more beefy too and whimms is just one of the best doubles support mons out there
Kinesis, I believe right, was forgotten by the devs in red and blue. When they made yellow, they just slapped it on those pokemon but I don't know if they forgot Abra intentionally or not. Yellow had weird fixes, since they had to set it up so the three games can trade with each other. Same reason why one of the kick moves only does 1 recoil damage, they had to leave it to be able to trade around
Kinesis is only learned by Kadabra & Alakazam because they both had spoons & Abra doesn't.....
Flower Shield, Magnetic Flux, Wonder Room and Rototiller belong on this list
Imagine using Rototiller or Eerie Impulse. Two of the most obscure moves I only know of by accidentally coming across them on serebii.
Eerie impulse have been used A LOT
A lot of these I remember because I used Pokémon with them. Xurkitree has Eerie Impulse, which is where I found out, and I believe Scolipede learns Rototiller and I’ve used as my starter in a gen 7 challenge run
eerie impulse is a fantastic move with lots of competitive success. thundurus has prankster and using it first basically shit down any special mon
There is a NPC in XY that asks you to show them a Pokemon with Eerie Impulse.
Ion Deluge is the one that comes to mind for me
I didn’t know Barrage was a thing. When I think of Exeggcute, the move that comes to my mind is Egg Bomb, which is pretty similar but more fitting than Barrage/Ball Throw. Egg Bomb should’ve been Exeggcute/Exeggutor’s signature move.
Egg Bomb is Exxegutor and Chansey‘s signiature move, it‘s just they have to learn it by TM because Gen 1
Egg Bomb is so forgettable that when the video mentioned only Exeggcute learning Barrage, I thought "wait didn't Chansey learn that too?" and it just NEVER clicked that, no, that was Egg Bomb
I always liked the egg bomb animation, sadly that move was bad. No secondary effect, trash accuracy and normal/physical move
There are a few more obscure moves that deserve to be mentioned. Octazooka which as far as I know is only learned by octillery and is pretty weak except it has a good chance of lowering accuracy, conversion and conversion2 which lost their purpose after color change and protean became a thing, twineedle is also almost never used and to me the most obscure which is rolling kick, it's so rare that I literally never seen it being used anywhere after gen1.
Octazooka can be learned by Horsea via breeding
Nobody remembers skull bash. it's even one of blastoise's level up moves. Like there's moves like quash and razor wind that get put in worst moves lists all the time, so they're not as forgotten. it's like how the most underrated thing is actually the second most underrated thing.
Quash is great in doubles
Literally the only reason I remember Skull Bash is because it was part of one of the Earl's Pokemon Academy lessons in Pokemon Stadium 2 which is. hyper-niche and obscure in and of itself
I remember skull bash because my Pikachu knew it. It's also Pikachu's B sideways in the Smash series.
"Why would you use Barrage when you have Bullet Seed?"
Why would you use Tackle when you have Headbutt?
A good addition to this is razor wind. 2-turn move with 80 base power and high crit rate. It's a gen 1 move and just learned about it the other day.
Reminds me of when Gold and Silver came out and Gust got changed from a Normal-type move to a Flying-type move. My friend in elementary school brought the strategy guide to school with him and pointed it out to me and we thought it was pretty funny.
Inferno is just like Zap Cannon and Dynamicpunch, but fire type.
I liked how gen 1 had a lot of TMs that taught moves unavailable from TMs from future games. I always used to teach my Rattata Water Gun using the TM in Mt. Moon, just in case my Squirtle wasn't available to handle a Geodude attack. In gen 3, this TM is replaced by Bullet Seed.
One weird tidbit is that Mewtwo can learn Pay Day via TM in Red and Blue, but not in Yellow. It's funny to imagine the world's most powerful pokemon opting to hurl handfuls of coins at its opponents.
What a fantastic video! I adore your voiceover and editing, and this was a very interesting look into an underlooked part of pokemon!
I'm actually quite familiar with kinesis from grinding the gym leader castle in Pokémon stadium where kadabra is one of the better rental Pokémon choices. I never realized it was so obscure.
I actually started compiling a list just like this not even a month ago. And since I’m not a TH-cam creator; I’ll give it to you and you can use it for part II of this video:
All gen 1 moves:
Comet punch - only learned by two Pokémon and easily overlooked by that of dizzy punch.
Constrict - weaker than wrap and bind without the added bonus of ensnaring the target
Bide - an absolutely atrocious move
Take down - worse accuracy than both body slam & double edge whilst also doing less damage.
Razor wind - a normal type attack for whatever reason also being a two turn move with meager damaged output.
Slam - also worse than body slam and double edge with the added effect of only being able to be learned by a very small pool of Pokémon
Sonic boom- an atrocious attack that only does a small set of damage every time it’s used plus only being able to be learned by a small cast of Pokémon.
Hitmonlee having THREE signature moves: rolling kick, jump kick, high jump kick. The first two of which are just irrelevant
Poison gas - only has 55 accuracy and is completely useless when toxic exists;
Even smog is a better option
Psywave- a broken move with terrible payout. Psychic is always the better option
Hope this makes its way into a video
Rock type pokemon weren't that rare. Yes, there was Geodude. And onix, rhyhorn, and the fossils. Other types that are equally rare are fire, fighting, ice, electric, and bug. Not even counting ghost snd dragon. So rock may seem pretty rare in gen 1, but so are half the other types.
A lot of types typically only have 5 or 6 choices if you wanted to make a fully evolved mono type team. And some of those choices are typically a starter, eeveelution, legendary, or a pokemon line that trainers in game don't use and must be found in the wild or an event. The only types you can even consider making choices because theres more than 6 are basically flying, poison, water, and normal. Lol
The thing about Gen 1 Rock is that there is no mono-Rock type. Every single one of them has a 2nd typing attached to them. That's probably also part of the reason it doesn't have many moves.
This whole video has the vibe of a wooper calmly explaining pokemon history as we stumble through the backrooms. I love it.
I think that clamp might not even be the cloyster’s most forgotten gen 1 move. Ever seen spike cannon used in game? If you say yes you’re lying. Omastar gets it too but still didn’t hear about the move for like 10 years.
That one's gotta be in my next forgotten moves video
Well, guess I'm a liar then, lol. I've used it actually. And.. I was completely unimpressed. Sounded much cooler than it actually was.
its even worse because by timeyou would want to use skill link to make it a 100 pow move you have access to icicle spear and rock blast.
Clamp is only learned by Shellder, Cloyster & Clamperl.........
I knew barrage is a thing because i like to read the dex of random pokemon and know what moves they learn.
Also I really like the vibe of this video, reminds me of when i used to watch "mistery videos" as a kid. Rlly cool video very much thx 👍
Inferno and Zap Cannon can sometimes be combo'd with the item Blunder Policy nowadays. Either you get a 100BP move with a guaranteed status effect, or a +2 speed boost.
Inferno, Dynamic Punch & Zap Cannon also pairs with Mind Reader or Lock-On.........
Really interesting content! The old attacks used to be all over the place and made little to no sense. For a future video idea how about Pokémon that make no sense when it comes to their type, strength and movements. For example when Volbeat was introduced in the third gen it is a Bug Pokémon (Only physical in that gen) with more attack than special attack, who's signature move is Tail Glow, a movement that increases your special attack two stages. Or the Poochyena line who are Dark (a special move only category) and has more attack than special attack.
I know because I use them in my own challenges XD New sub!
fun trivia fact
when gen 4 made a special physical move split, all the dark type moves from gen 3 and earlier were made physical. Only the new moves in gen 4 were special attack dark type moves.
Dark being special and ghost physical was bizarre in general
that was a VERY DARK video and I LOVED that approach. Subscribed!
exeggutor actually uses an (obviously physical) normal type move in gen 1 ou, but it's not barrage and not even egg bomb. It's either double edge or explosion, depending on the team style
It's funny how Barrage is the first move that came to my mind when I saw this video's title.
The only dragon move is dragon rage, and does 40 hp damage (no more, no less). Not a bad move, but the only dragon move in game technically isn't super effective or resistant to anything. Left more to be desired at the time.
at least Dragon Rage deals more HP damage than Sonic Boom.......
I never realized how obscure Triple Kick actually was until it was brought up in this video. I love the hitmons a lot so it never seemed too obscure to me. The kick move that I always forget has to be Rolling Kick, as far as I know it was an Hitmonlee exclusive move that was p much always outclassed by Hi Jump Kick before it was removed in newer gens. I remember learning it was a move and getting really confused
Rolling kick was so weird and unnecessary!!
One of the more obscure Fire moves from recent games is Flame Burst. It had the unique effect of dealing not only its regular attack damage to the selected target, but an additional 1/16th damage to adjacent Pokémon (in doubles/triples) as well. Heart Stamp is another newer move that’s quite forgotten, being a rather obscure and weak physical Psychic type move.
I only knew about Waterfall because in the Pokemon Trading Card game, Seaking knows it. And this card and game came out before Gold and Silver. Ironically, Waterfall is actually pretty good on Seaking. 30 water damage for a water and colorless energy. Combine with Seaking's 70HP, it makes it a pretty effective pokemon to use for a water deck.
Submission should be updated to 100 power, but also give a defense raise (+1) if it lands successfully since you, in essence, made the opponent “submit.” Retain the same accuracy as well. If missed, you get recoil + lose defense by one stage (-1).
Submission is meant to be like a giant swing
@@vaiyt Submission is a grapple attack in the Pokemon Johto anime Ash vs Chuck the Gym leader Chucks Machock uses submission on one of Ash's Pokemon plus submission is a wrestler-style Grapple move in real life just look at "The Undertaker" from the WWE.
I really liked this video because of the spooky atmosphere and interesting topic, thank you!
I like it how you changed your icon to show your emotions through the video! you should do that again for your next vids!
I feel like Barrage shoulda been on Machamp and been a fighting type move with like 30 base power.
Y'all remember Octazooka? it was a cool move that the octopus pokemon learned
Octazooka was interesting but needed some tweaks to be better. My ideas are:
• Raise its accuracy from 85% to 100%, or
• Raise its power from 65 to at least 85, or
• Raise its accuracy reduction chance upon hitting from 50% to 100%.
@@reillywalker195 Love these changes!
Seahorse Pokemon can learn Octazooka too......
I think you have a real talent for this type of content and I hope you'll make more of it soon!
Amazing vid love ur editing
I, in fact, caught a Kadabra in 2002 with my cousin's Yellow version, didn't think Kinesis was so rare at the time and kept the move. In general 2 I thought of Mud Slap as the same concept and always liked it.
Faves were Fearow (the mud slapper) Alakazam (would have traded up to keep the move had I thought of it but my cousin wasn't having that for unrelated reasons) Arcanine Gyrados Maganium and Amphiros. This was for a Gold version.
I love the spooky liminal space vibes of the video. I for one can't forget Grudge because it is used by Phoebe the many times I've rematched the Elite Four in Emerald Version. 💚
V cool topic dude! Subbed. I’ll share it to my community
“People complain how terrible wild charge is”
No, wild charge is amazing and people always use it competitive as it’s just so good
5:55 I actually learned of Triple Kick in Gen 3. In Pokémon Colosseum the "Boss" of one section uses a Dark Kapoera as his ace. I actually snatched and used it as I never had before.
Great video and good research :)
Can’t wait for the next video. Loved this one
Comet Punch is one of those moves that sounds cool, but has no viability
This was a great video!
I'm so happy this video blew up for you! I hope you continue to grow!
Good point about Rock moves and Geodude line, interesting discussion! 👍
Love learning little known facts about pokemkn especially nostalgic ones, that's a subscribe from me and hopefully more great videos to look forward to 👍
I really thought conversion would have been on this list. Barrage surprised me since I knew it once I saw the stats pop up and I’m like…that’s not conversion. 😂
Great video, hopefully your channel will blow up soon! I subbed immediately after Snorlax' "I forgor", but the quality of the whole video was just as high
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hell yes. Barrage was the first move that came to mind. Great vid. I didn't know kinesis was unused in the first games since I remember seeing it in stadium
Never heard of ‘Clamp’ before and I’ve played gen 1 A LOT haha.. 😅 Great video, thanks 🧡
6:23: "Well, I'm willing to bet that nobody watching thought of the move Grudge."
I did, because you showed me in the chapter title a few seconds ago.
Love these videos! Keep it up, man! 🔥
Glad you like them!
Nice vid man 👍
Provided you didn't choose Squirtle, Blue has an Exeggutor in Red and Blue that knows only three moves; one of them being Barrage.
What a high quality video! Nice
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shoutouts to the abra line having 2 signature unique 1-stage stat modding moves in gen 1, because Spoon Bend also exists
Then removing pursuit was actually a big hit to singles gameplay, that and taking bug bite away from Scizor were unecessary
i went through the whole video thinking “barrage? is he going to say barrage? please say barrage”
thank you for including barrage
No noisy intro, no useless screaming, this beautiful voice. My friend you have just become my sleep aid. Ill be seeing you every night for the next year
Remember Razor Wind? The move has been around since gen 1. Nothing was able to naturally learn it in Gen 1 and 2, only via TM02 in Gen 1. It's a 80 power normal type move with a charge-up turn after using it. A half-power Hyper beam. No wonder nobody remembers it, it's insanely bad. Even worse than that, it used to have only 75% accuracy in Gen 1 and 2.
Amazing video! Even though i knew about all these moves, i still learned things i didn’t know before like how kinesis could only be used from metronome or that pheromosa learned triple kick too. side note: i was super sad to learn barrage was removed in gen 8, it was always my favorite obscure fact to bring up
Haha Barrage (Stakato in german) was seriously the first move i thought about, when i startet your Video 😅❤
Seen triple kick prominently in Colosseum as hitmontop was amongst the gen 2 pokemon available in the game. And it was specifically one of hitmontops' moves that would be unlocked after opening its heart. I never liked the move as it never did much damage, however, did appreciate it if I needed a move to dwindle down a shadow Pokemon's health just enough to where it could be easier to catch. So Colosseum is likely where it experiences being somewhat useful.
There was also rolling kick, jump kick and hi jump kick in the kicking group from gen 1 😬
First move I thought of was Mimic... which I suppose doesn't make it forgotten, but it IS pretty useless outside of Gen 1. In that generation only, it allowed you to choose an opponent's move to temporarily learn. Gen 2 onward, it copies the opponent's most recent move. This is problematic if they go first, as they might bait-and-switch you and use a move you don't want. And even if you do go first, you still have to wait for them to use the move you want.
By extension, Sketch is just awful outside of double-battles and the Mystery Dungeon games. Permanently learns the target's most recent move. Same issues as Mimic.
I would highlight that no one knew about Waterfall in gen 1, then it rose to prominence, just to be forgotten yet again after gen 7 when Liquidation became the physical water move of choice and HMs are no longer a thing.
as a hardcore pokemon fan you only stumped me with the seating waterfall fact
Funny you should mention Barrage as unmentioned and forgotten. The Rival has the move on his Exeggutor in Gen 1, so l see it almost every time l watch a Gen 1 Solo Challenge. Why, l even saw it last week.
While a lot of these moves are rare and almost never used, most have one defense.
An iconic or memorable battle in the game has that move.
If you're only considering competitive, sure, nobody ever uses Barrage, Grudge, Kinesis.
But Sabrina's Kadabra has Kinesis in Yellow.
Phoebe has a Banette with Grudge in Emerald, as well as in ORAS.
Blue's Exeggcute and Exeggutor, including in the Champion battle, has Barrage in gen 1 (he doesn't have them if you chose Squirtle, otherwise it's there in all three games).
Barrage and Kinesis I'll always remember thanks to the various solo challenges of those games, it's been too long since I last fully played Blue and I never actually finished Yellow as a kid. But Grudge I'll never forget. So many memories of playing Emerald, going through the E4 to train, reaching Phoebe, and losing one of my attacks because her Banette used Grudge before getting one-shot. As a kid, I was never one for strategy and balanced teams, so that would often lead to a defeat as my strongest attack was gone and I wasn't able to defeat her before my strongest Pokemon was defeated, and then a bunch of lower level Pokemon would easily get wiped by her. Even worse when I started using it to grind weaker Pokemon trying to get low level Pokemon higher levels to evolve for the Pokedex. Didn't have the same issue in ORAS, but she still annoyed me with it a few times there.
Those are just for me personally, but I know a lot of these are less forgotten by those that really paid attention to the battles and don't just focus on competitive play.
Grudge is always used if the opponent's KO move is a high powered attacking move.......
First Ghost type move i thinked about was Grudge. The second one was confused ray and the 3rd one was Destiny bond, so i was pretty surprise when you mentionned it being a pretty forgotten move.
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Honestly it sucks how low accuracy inferno is because it’s one of my favorite fire type moves and it’s name sounds so POWERFUL!
I knew about Kinesis through an old Red and Blue guide. I've seen it numerous times while playing Pokemon Stadium and maybe once while playing Yellow. Even though I liked spamming Metronome, I've never gotten it once in RB.
Discussing kick moves, I thought we might be talking about Jump kick. Which I always forget about since Hi Jump Kick is a thing.
In Mystery dungeon explorers of time/darkness basically all multihit moves were completely broken. (In casual play for me anyway) If your escort target wanders off and gets hit with a multihit move you can kiss that attempt (or 1-5 rather rare revive seeds) goodbye. Even if you're like 20 levels higher than a wild pokemon, a single neutrally effective multihit can kill you if it hits 4-5 times. In one spinoff game at least, barrage is really powerful.
This is a very well made video and I enjoyed it.
One critique id like to give is that your transition cards are really long. They're not bad to have, but I felt I was always waiting longer than I wanted to get to the next section.
Thank you again for the interesting video.
I actually thought of the move grudge when you asked specifically because the segment title had the word grudge in it…